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Pharaoh Atem
January 18th, 2008, 08:05 PM
ok i'm confused ....a little

are there still together or are just friends now??? the ending wasn't to clear to me

edain
January 18th, 2008, 08:12 PM
ok i'm confused ....a little

are there still together or are just friends now??? the ending wasn't to clear to me

I think it was intentionally left vague for future story telling purposes

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 08:16 PM
ok i'm confused ....a little

are there still together or are just friends now??? the ending wasn't to clear to me

I thought the look on his face when he turned back after she said goodbye and the doors closing between them indicated that while they might remain friends, the relationship is over.

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 08:18 PM
I think (hope? [pray?!]) it's over.

wraithfound
January 18th, 2008, 08:34 PM
I don't think so.... becuase there's that future episode were he and Katie and Sam are all trapped and it seemed while reading that discription and watching tonights ending that they're still dating, but just not ready to get married. (though Katie so was you could tell!)

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 08:35 PM
I don't think so.... becuase there's that future episode were he and Katie and Sam are all trapped and it seemed while reading that discription and watching tonights ending that they're still dating, but just not ready to get married. (though Katie so was you could tell!)

If you're talking about Trio, it's not Katie but Keller that is trapped with Mckay and Carter. And in previews from that, Mckay is flirting with both ladies, suggesting it's over with Katie.

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I don't think so.... becuase there's that future episode were he and Katie and Sam are all trapped and it seemed while reading that discription and watching tonights ending that they're still dating, but just not ready to get married. (though Katie so was you could tell!)

IF you're thinking Trio, thats Mckay,Sam,and Keller. I hope it's not over myself but yeah you could tell Katie was.

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 09:06 PM
If you're talking about Trio, it's not Katie but Keller that is trapped with Mckay and Carter. And in previews from that, Mckay is flirting with both ladies, suggesting it's over with Katie.

And supposedly in Harmony he is smitten with one of the princesses....

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 09:12 PM
And supposedly in Harmony he is smitten with one of the princesses....

Let's hope it's not Harmony.... ewwww.

But seriously, I thought it was Sheppard doing his Kirk thing in Harmony. But I could see Rodney being on the rebound, too.

Mack_1
January 18th, 2008, 10:40 PM
It is so over, they will remain friends but I don't think it will go anywere from here.

They both found out they were not ready, well Mckay realize he could go over with the relationship. and Katie got to see the real Mckay.

On the other hand Ronon and Keller are a different story

racer24t
January 18th, 2008, 10:43 PM
mckay and katie a match made in heaven they should go with it. all of the other ships did not work out ie shep tayla ronin keller

silkie
January 18th, 2008, 10:47 PM
I think they're dead-meat; TPTB are paving their way to Sodney...

racer24t
January 18th, 2008, 11:01 PM
why can't mckay have a girl i mean shep has larin and a host of others i mean they screwed up other ships like teyla and shep it is time since in season 5 a main character leaves a nice ending to his deal even though it is sad to him go if it is happen

1138
January 18th, 2008, 11:05 PM
I'm pretty sure it's over. Katie was disposing of the cactus plant during the last scene. She didn't want to make it grow big anymore.

Jeffala
January 18th, 2008, 11:14 PM
I think (hope? [pray?!]) it's over.

When Rodney left Sheppard with the intention to propose I yelled "That b***h better die by the end of the episode!" at the TV.

She didn't but they're over-ish so I'm kind of happy.

I don't begrudge Rodney happiness but I just don't like Katie.

wraithfound
January 18th, 2008, 11:25 PM
If you're talking about Trio, it's not Katie but Keller that is trapped with Mckay and Carter. And in previews from that, Mckay is flirting with both ladies, suggesting it's over with Katie.

Really? I could have sworn it was Katie, hm, anyway thanks for the clear up then:)

wraithfound
January 18th, 2008, 11:29 PM
And supposedly in Harmony he is smitten with one of the princesses....

Well he's quite the bounce back kid, could totally see it though, no actually I can se him and Sheppard competing for the same princess.

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 11:54 PM
Let's hope it's not Harmony.... ewwww.

But seriously, I thought it was Sheppard doing his Kirk thing in Harmony. But I could see Rodney being on the rebound, too.

Ewww.... It's not. And please don't start the "Kirk" thing. I've yet to find someone that could substantiate that.


Well he's quite the bounce back kid, could totally see it though, no actually I can se him and Sheppard competing for the same princess.

My understanding is Harmony has 2 older sisters. Each of the boys gets to be "smitten" with one.

TheReturnOfTheLantian
January 19th, 2008, 02:01 AM
i thought it was a great episode and i was pritty upset that rodney didnt prepose to katie. she seemed really gutted.

cajuncayenne
January 19th, 2008, 03:29 AM
I thought this whole thing was poorly written. They have been together for a year and a half and they act like two 12 year olds who have never even held hands. They could have had chemistry had they had a legitimate dating situation. I think they will be acquaintences.

ColCaldwell
January 19th, 2008, 06:15 AM
Ewww.... It's not. And please don't start the "Kirk" thing. I've yet to find someone that could substantiate that.



My understanding is Harmony has 2 older sisters. Each of the boys gets to be "smitten" with one.

Just watch countless Atlantis episodes, he is a Kirk!

kirkeastmetn
January 19th, 2008, 06:23 AM
i really didn't like the episode all that much basically because the writers seemingly erased 3 years of Rodneys life.

For the past 3 years Mckay has been going beyond and above his role as scientist, and has got himself into so many tight situations, less we mention his most recent capture by the wraith, where he made a joke rather than scream in terror like he would've done 2 - 3 years ago. The last time we saw mckay in a lockdown situation, where his life was on the line, and where he was panicking was in season 1's "Hot Zone", and in that he was less panicked than he was in this situation.

ykickamoocow
January 19th, 2008, 06:56 AM
i really didn't like the episode all that much basically because the writers seemingly erased 3 years of Rodneys life.

For the past 3 years Mckay has been going beyond and above his role as scientist, and has got himself into so many tight situations, less we mention his most recent capture by the wraith, where he made a joke rather than scream in terror like he would've done 2 - 3 years ago. The last time we saw mckay in a lockdown situation, where his life was on the line, and where he was panicking was in season 1's "Hot Zone", and in that he was less panicked than he was in this situation.


I agree. He was even more wussy than what i would expect from season 1 Rodney. McKay is arguably the character who has changed the most since season 1 but in this episode its like the writers total forgot about the character development which they set up.

g.o.d
January 19th, 2008, 07:12 AM
My understanding is Harmony has 2 older sisters. Each of the boys gets to be "smitten" with one.


brilliant, another ****ing and completly useless episode about Kirking. I wonder if Sheppard will sleep with Harmony :rolleyes:

talyn2k1
January 19th, 2008, 08:03 AM
I agree. He was even more wussy than what i would expect from season 1 Rodney. McKay is arguably the character who has changed the most since season 1 but in this episode its like the writers total forgot about the character development which they set up.

I put it down to the fact that whenever something like this happens he is normally the one to fix it. In this episode he had no communications, no computers. He was helpless because he had no idea what was going on and could do nothing to help the situation.
For a control freak like Rodney that must be his idea of hell!

kymeric
January 19th, 2008, 08:55 AM
Well at least he got to tap it, thats moast ne nerd can want!

Ruffles
January 19th, 2008, 08:56 AM
brilliant, another ****ing and completly useless episode about Kirking. I wonder if Sheppard will sleep with Harmony :rolleyes:

That question has already been asked and answered, and I frankly find it offensive that you would suggest he would have sex with a child. I have no interest in arguing with you over kirking so let it go.

Back on topic, I agree with kirkeastmetn and ykickamoocow that this was not the Rodney I'm used to seeing. Even in Hot Zone when he thought he was going to die he did more than just lie down. I didn't recognize him at all for the majority of the ep. I'm sure the loss of control was his own personal version of hell as talyn2k1 mentioned, but his reaction could have been taken in a different direction and still have pushed Katie away. But to just lay down and wait to die?

jdog
January 19th, 2008, 09:04 AM
i think weather they are together or not is irrelevant, rodney recognizes he needs work and i think she knows that.

this was a huge episode for him, to think of someone else but himself, my gawd.

Avenger
January 19th, 2008, 11:19 AM
i really didn't like the episode all that much basically because the writers seemingly erased 3 years of Rodneys life.

For the past 3 years Mckay has been going beyond and above his role as scientist, and has got himself into so many tight situations, less we mention his most recent capture by the wraith, where he made a joke rather than scream in terror like he would've done 2 - 3 years ago. The last time we saw mckay in a lockdown situation, where his life was on the line, and where he was panicking was in season 1's "Hot Zone", and in that he was less panicked than he was in this situation.

That's because he was not in a position where he could do anything to solve the crisis, or have the likes of Sheppard to tell him to suck it up and get to work. McKay needs that kind of harsh encouragement to keep from letting his self-deprecating, end of the world, hypochondriac mind get the best of him. He didn't start getting "sick" until he'd been through the lab and tried everything he could to get out.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 11:42 AM
When Rodney left Sheppard with the intention to propose I yelled "That b***h better die by the end of the episode!" at the TV.

She didn't but they're over-ish so I'm kind of happy.

I don't begrudge Rodney happiness but I just don't like Katie.

I thought they were great together but the relationship is likely over. Too bad too IMO.

g.o.d
January 19th, 2008, 02:20 PM
That question has already been asked and answered, and I frankly find it offensive that you would suggest he would have sex with a child. I have no interest in arguing with you over kirking so let it go.




OMG :rolleyes: that was an irony!!

Thornyrose
January 19th, 2008, 06:07 PM
I have to admit I'm satisfied by how it came out. At least they didnt kill Katie. And she got to see McKay at his absolute worst. It's telling that where Sheppard, or even Sam can pull McKay out of his depressive moods, Katie not only couldnt, but was still wanting McKay to comfort her. Understandable, but makes it clear she's not the one for him. But at least he's learning, and we can hope for more in his next relationship. And yes, i'm one that would love to see him and Sam at least flirt with one another for awhile. Not that I think they're made for each other, but its just fun watching the banter. And given some of Sam's other choices..ah well, that's another thread.
One other comment, on Rodney's "wussiness". In almost every other tight spot, he at least has the tools to try and effect a change in the situation. In Quarantine, he is totally helpless, and left in a position where his imagination has free rein. Now, if Katie had had any sense, she could have found a MUCH better use for all his nervous energy...

Actionhank
January 19th, 2008, 06:31 PM
Ok, I'm honest - I don't like her. I don't know what it is - maybe she doesn't fit in the role... but she is not an interesting character - plus Hewlett outacts her by far. She even annoys me and it takes a lot to do that. I just don't know what it is - maybe the toady voice, maybe the froggy dumb look on her face (sorry for being rude). LOL

Opener
January 19th, 2008, 07:03 PM
I also think he was was freaking out because he didn't have anything to do or work with. And Katie did have a use for all that nervous energy, it just flew over Rodney's head.;)

His expression at the end was telling, it showed that he finally did notice something. I'd like to see him try to make it work with her towards the end though.(I'm avoiding spoilers so I don't know one way or the other, just the way I like it)

Ebeneezer_Goode
January 19th, 2008, 07:42 PM
I think that when they were talking about not being ready, McKay was talking about marriage but she was talking about the relationship in general. I don't think it dawned on him until she said goodbye.

txTart
January 19th, 2008, 09:02 PM
I'm pretty sure it's over. Katie was disposing of the cactus plant during the last scene. She didn't want to make it grow big anymore.

Bwahaha! Well said!

YutheGreat
January 20th, 2008, 04:20 AM
I am a guy amd I know very little about such things I feel like I am totally simillar to McKay right now down to every character flaw. I am right where he is now. Totally uncertain of the relationship. There is a good chance that its over for the reasons stated. If Katie can see pass this their relationship would survive for good till the end.

I would like to pose a questions.

Do you guys and girls think that they can get back together?

If Katie didn't see him this way do you guys think she could have said yes?

Seastallion
January 20th, 2008, 07:04 AM
I actually feel quite bad for both characters. I totally agree that McKay's attitude would have been helped greatly if he had had some kind of means of communication or tools to work with. Sheppard said it right at the beginning that McKay being trapped was going to make him go nuts, and he was right on the mark. I think their relationship (romance) may very well be over, which is too bad, because McKay could really use a partner to help tone him down a little.

I think having a family would help McKay and his sister see more eye to eye. Jeannie also may have been correct when she told Rodney that he wasn't going to find anyone better. Different maybe, but not necessarily better. I liked Katie and I felt bad for her too. Here she needed they guy she loved to be strong and he MAJORLY wussed out. It would've helped if he had even just lied and told her everything was going to be okay, even if he really didn't believe that at all.

In the end he was being self-centered, and I think sooner or later that would have come to a head between them. Katie was very giving and forgiving, but even she had her limits. I suppose it is actually better it happened sooner rather than later. Hopefully McKay can take this lesson and do something about it. Otherwise he may never have a relationship.

*sigh* "Poor Rodney and Katie..." :(

apstertame
January 20th, 2008, 11:58 PM
...Do you guys and girls think that they can get back together?

If Katie didn't see him this way do you guys think she could have said yes?

I might have a little perspective on this, being an old married wommyn <grin> - okay, still very close to McKay's age if, as Sheppard says in the ep, he was born in '68.

And I am married 20 - yikes - years! to a guy who shares a lot of traits with the fictional McKay - extreme intelligence, abrasiveness, tactlessness...but no clone, I'll hasten to add. For one thing, he's a lot more empathic and more comfortable showing feelings/being demonstrative than McKay. For another, he's...er...he's considerably, um -- taller!

First off, I think we started the episode with Katie being fairly realistic about how McKay sees her, and very ready to say "yes" to his proposal. But she's not entirely realistic. I think most of the audience has been aware for awhile that this relationship is more about Rodney's growth towards wanting some of the things that has brought personal fulfillment to others, including his sister - the big part of that being marriage and family. Rodney admires and may love Katie, but he is not exactly smitten with her! & without wanting to suggest that Atlantis needs to shoot for a TV-14 rating, there should have been some indication here of some sparks and some measure of emotional/physical intimacy between Rodney and Katie before we got so far as "hand in marriage" talk.

(I did smirk when Rodney told Sheppard that he was ready to go onto the next level and Sheppard shot back, "Second Base"? Seriously - between that and the cactus jokes, this relationship has played like something out of that "40 year old virgin" movie...kinda leaving us well-past-awkward-teen-aged fans scratching our head and wondering if we were ever supposed to take the McKay character as anything more than an avatar for "average awkward male age 16-29 demographic. Maybe not, as the same writers seem to be doing pretty well with the changing, perhaps never-to-be romantic but certainly complex and maturing relationship between, say, Sheppard & Teyla.)

Without too much repetition I hope, I'll just echo what others have already said on this forum. Katie is nice. Very nice. Too nice for Rodney, actually, and nowhere near direct enough in communicating her own needs. A good match for Rodney would be a very smart woman (Katie may well be that, okay) every bit as strong willed as he is (doubts here), and not overly concerned with coddling him or being, well, *nice*.

Katie and Rodney would have ended up split up, better that it happened sooner than later. IMO we've already seen (recalling a 10th season parallel universe in SG SG1) that a Carter/Rodney pairing probably would have a poor long term outcome as well. But I think a good match for Rodney would run a little closer to Carter at her most exasperated, than sweet, long-suffering Katie.

When I was in my late teens and early 20s, a breakup with a boyfriend meant a lot of self questioning - "why did I have to be like this or that?" Frankly, even though McKay is trying really hard, going to Katie with "I don't think I am ready/mature enough" was the right thing to do -- not a cop-out as I think some posters on these forums seem to perceive it. Of course she was going to be hurt, dump the namesake cactus, sayonara, get-out-of-my-face...all communicated in the nicest way possible, of course. But she isn't left with the illusion that either one of them is going to become something counter to their basic natures - Rodney may think that this is all about being flawed, but he's missing the point - understandably, having presumably had few or no longish-term relationships before Katie - that someone wonderful may not be someone wonderful for HIM, and that his efforts towards becoming a better person could be successful but still not make him the right person for Katie.

And one other aside - it seems to me that if McKay were truly "in love" with Katie (and putting aside the long-term compatibility issue), then he would have reacted to Katie's "and now...?" as regards the proposal with an unhesitating declaration of his love and the fact that it's even MORE important to give her the ring now, in the face of death - as opposed to that irritated and bloodless "well, it doesn't really matter now if we're going to die." That was Katie's slap in the face, and she got the message, even if Rodney couldn't see that he was sending one.

The right person for Rodney will say "Grow a pair; I may not be a brilliant scientist but right now I've got a better chance of coming up with some insane escape plan that will work than you do having your little tantrum on the ground! Let's brainstorm something, or failing that - we're ALONE...c'mon, what does it take to get more of a response out of *you* than outta that cactus?"

Sadly, the MarySueKatie character got short shrift in her own right --the payoff was this ep, as the writers get to add a bit of 'sadder but wiser' to Rodney resume, so lets say goodbye to Katie and hope that Ronan/Keller or...I dunno, Carter/Zelenka (hehe) end up being a more engaging couple to watch.

radiosgalore
January 22nd, 2008, 10:13 AM
IMHO it's over relationship wise. In fact PMSL at McKay in a relationship at all! though he has gotten a bit better he still has a gigh opinion of himself that would turn any woman right off. McKay still needs a lot of work. Ronan on the other hand may be in a better situation though I think he is not good at expressing emotion pefering to fight the Wraith. He is much better at that

JaguarJG
January 22nd, 2008, 12:30 PM
The Katie /Rodney relationship is hurting the Carter / Rodney dynamic as I see
it. That is why the writers have made this change. One of the great aspects of Carter/ McKay is his crush on her and her love /hate feelings towards him. ( When I say love I don't necessarily mean she wants to sleep with him. Sam does care about Rodney though.) He is not confident enough to date Katie and think he can flirt with Carter. As evident in this episode and as I have said before Rodney's brain and work abilities are have been his crutch. At least over the years in Atlantis he has gained friends and reestablished with his sister. These things have boosted his confidence.

FallenAngelII
January 23rd, 2008, 12:21 AM
The relationship is over. If not in this episode then in a later episode. Joe Mallozzi stated that something "horrible" would happen to Rodney, making any chances of romance, especially with Katie, impossible.

We can only hope "Quarantine" marked the last appearance of this forced relationship.

ykickamoocow
January 23rd, 2008, 02:11 AM
The relationship is over. If not in this episode then in a later episode. Joe Mallozzi stated that something "horrible" would happen to Rodney, making any chances of romance, especially with Katie, impossible.

We can only hope "Quarantine" marked the last appearance of this forced relationship.

I just hoping that Mallozzi wasnt refering to the breakup itself as the horrible thing which happens to Rodney as it would be extremely weak if that were the case.

Emme
January 23rd, 2008, 03:38 PM
I've been thinking about this relationship thing with tv shows and there is a common thread. When one couple breaks up another get together? They don't often have 2 or more main characters having relationships.

Examples are Voyager Nelix and Kes end so we get tom and B'Elana. Ross and Rachel anyone? We got Monica and Chandler, DS9 Kira just jumped from one to another. Rodney and Katie got together but not Carson and Cadman. Now Ronan and Keller get together sooooo like television magic Rodney and Katie are done.

Sorry for the outside refs but what I'm thinking is that they do it to have one token gesture of a relationship in the series. That what I think TPTB might do.
Just a little either welcome or unwelcome taste of that aspect of things, believing this will keep the various shippers happy. Whether it's their favorite character or not.
I'm not saying this is the standard for all shows but it does happen a lot.

Opener
January 25th, 2008, 10:53 PM
(I did smirk when Rodney told Sheppard that he was ready to go onto the next level and Sheppard shot back, "Second Base"? Seriously - between that and the cactus jokes, this relationship has played like something out of that "40 year old virgin" movie...kinda leaving us well-past-awkward-teen-aged fans scratching our head and wondering if we were ever supposed to take the McKay character as anything more than an avatar for "average awkward male age 16-29 demographic. Maybe not, as the same writers seem to be doing pretty well with the changing, perhaps never-to-be romantic but certainly complex and maturing relationship between, say, Sheppard & Teyla.)
I dunno apstertame, I think Rodney may have been that awkward stereotype in the beginning, but it's my opinion that as the seasons have progressed, the producers and writers have made Rodney grow a lot. He's definitely a different man than he was in the beginning. I mean, things like what happened to him in Tao of Rodney and McKay and Mrs. Miller would have changed him, I don't care how self-centered he is. In fact, I think they were going in that direction even aaaaaaalll the way back in Hide and Seek, when Rodney went down to the gateroom commons to deal with the energy creature. He knew he could die, but he knew that it had to be done. Whby did he do it? Because it had to be done, and he was the only one that could. We saw that he had the same mindset in Before I Sleep, when he stayed behind and drowned, all to give people the time to evacuate.

o-0
January 26th, 2008, 10:50 PM
Yep, Katie and Rodney have broken up. In the intro of Harmony, Rodney "calls dibs" on the third sister so he's obviously looking for someone new, and the following dialogue between him and John supports this. I'm glad that it's over between those two because now Rodney can continue hitting on other chicks.

GATE FOOL
January 26th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I really hope it's over. Katie is so annoying, but I don't know why I have found her annoying ever since they introduced her character.

I was also hoping she would die by the end of the episode, maybe we get lucky and she is dead before the season is over so we never have to worry about them getting married.

Fingers crossed.

mircalla
January 27th, 2008, 03:30 AM
I've been thinking about this relationship thing with tv shows and there is a common thread. When one couple breaks up another get together? They don't often have 2 or more main characters having relationships.

Sorry for the outside refs but what I'm thinking is that they do it to have one token gesture of a relationship in the series. That what I think TPTB might do.
Just a little either welcome or unwelcome taste of that aspect of things, believing this will keep the various shippers happy. Whether it's their favorite character or not.
I'm not saying this is the standard for all shows but it does happen a lot.

I've been lurking around just looking at this thread and thought about your comment. Given that once adverts are taken out these programmes last about 45 minutes, I suspect the number of relationships is limited by the amount of time that can be spent on them and still drive the adventure along - how long would an episode have to be if Ronan, Teyla, Rodney, Sheppard and Carter were all to be shown in their relationships as well as having a fight with the Wraith?

garhkal
January 27th, 2008, 07:07 AM
I think (hope? [pray?!]) it's over.

I Don't. I actually think that relationship was one of the few good things to happen to Rodney since he has become a main character.

Ranlier
January 27th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Seems Harmony settles the question, if Sheppard and Rodney are arguing over who will get the girl.

EarthandBeyond
January 27th, 2008, 09:54 AM
From the expration that i got, Rodney is not good at relationships.
He is more of a type that likes to chase after impossible odds, but once he manages , he doesnt know what to do next.
Katie was simple so out of Rodneys league, yet he managed to tame her. Once he did it, he simply lost the intrest, i guess.

garhkal
January 28th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Seems Harmony settles the question, if Sheppard and Rodney are arguing over who will get the girl.

Rodney was in the relationship when they went to that volcano planet and it did not stop him chasing that lass. Nor did it stop him in the game..