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GateWorld
January 11th, 2008, 12:00 PM
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An automated lockdown traps Atlantis personnel in various parts of the city, each of them hoping the others will come to their rescue.

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Malakriss
January 18th, 2008, 06:52 PM
First! Ronon almost kissed her!

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 06:58 PM
First! Ronon almost kissed her!
Who care about that! :p Tell me are tptb content on destroying my OTP? :sheppard33::mckay: Did Rodney really ask her *pukes* and did she say yes? :(

Sweetsong
January 18th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Did like 4 months past between Spoils of War and Quarantine, or did Teyla simply blow up overnight? I didn't expect baby kicking to be going on in this episode.

A couple things that were neat, Carters sense of humor about the homing pigeons being lost on Radek. John exclaming that whenever a pregnant woman is trapped, that is always the time she goes into labor.

Ronon's intimate scenes with Kellar were kinda cute too. Now we know what turns Ronon on about a girl, the size of her ba... err heart. Actually he seemed really impressed with her bravado. Cute scene at the table in the rec room near the end as well, Teyla and John arent' stupid hehe.

rarocks24
January 18th, 2008, 07:01 PM
Who care about that! :p Tell me are tptb content on destroying my OTP? :sheppard33::mckay: Did Rodney really ask her *pukes* and did she say yes? :(

Rodney and Katie decided they both weren't ready.

Keller and Ronon are now an "item" so to speak.

Teyla got out on that ledge. I was screaming.

Sheppard nearly fell, I was on the edge of my seat.

And Zelenka saves the day, finally.

monkey_man132
January 18th, 2008, 07:04 PM
great episode, so funny McKays plant XD! Zelenka staring into Carters chest. whahaaaaaa great episode!

Sweetsong
January 18th, 2008, 07:05 PM
I think I would have turned Rodney down based on the fact that he only got her an 8th of a carat of a diamond, what is that? :S

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Rodney and Katie decided they both weren't ready.Oh thank goodness for small mercies. :D I take it they are still together? :cool:

edain
January 18th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Did like 4 months past between Spoils of War and Quarantine, or did Teyla simply blow up overnight? I didn't expect baby kicking to be going on in this episode.

A couple things that were neat, Carters sense of humor about the homing pigeons being lost on Radek. John exclaming that whenever a pregnant woman is trapped, that is always the time she goes into labor.

Ronon's intimate scenes with Kellar were kinda cute too. Now we know what turns Ronon on about a girl, the size of her ba... err heart. Actually he seemed really impressed with her bravado. Cute scene at the table in the rec room near the end as well, Teyla and John arent' stupid hehe.


Um no offense, but a lot of guys are turned on by some girls..... bra size

ladyjanus
January 18th, 2008, 07:08 PM
And Zelenka saves the day, finally.

Yahoo! Only thing that could have been better than Zelenka being the big dang hero would have been for Lorne to be the BDH.

(she does a happy dance...)

ladyjanus

Pharaoh Atem
January 18th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Did like 4 months past between Spoils of War and Quarantine, or did Teyla simply blow up overnight? I didn't expect baby kicking to be going on in this episode.


i think there was a 1 or 2 months hitus between epsidoe 10 and 11 so rachel was showing more whens he came back :)

gravelgerdie
January 18th, 2008, 07:12 PM
It sounded to me at the end that the relationship with Rodney and Kate is over. That goodbye, that sounded like goodbye forever.
To me personally, I'm glad that Rodney didn't really ask her or want to know her answer.

I loved that John knew Rodneys password and knew how Rodney came up with the password.
I also liked that John knew that Rodney would freak without being able to get to a computer to help.

I could just hear Sam in her expression saying Never mind to Radek after her pigeon comment. That went right over his head LOL

Xicer
January 18th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Good episode, especially for a stand-alone. Some really great scenes and lines in this episode, though Rodney started getting a little annoying again. I loved Zelenka throughout the whole episode. And I was just about yelling at Teyla for trying to climb out the window. Speaking of Teyla, exactly how much time passed between this episode and the last?

desh
January 18th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Wow, the writers certainly wanted to make the shippers go crazy in this episode.

Haven't had this much character development in a long time. A few interesting surprises that I never saw coming.

I have dreamed about free-climbing Atlantis; to see it happen was simply incredible, although Sheppard's form is disappointing.

Finally: Why isn't Radek a main character by now? He's in every episode!

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 07:14 PM
Pretty good episode, I have a fondness for Atlantis "in-house" episodes.

Some pretty funny moments, especially Johns concern for Telya giving birth, the joke was well done to.

Rodney trying to propose was exactly how I would have pictured it, but I am kinda glad that they decided to wait because I dont think Mckay would be the charactar he is with a wife, a girlfriend yes, wife not so much. Its not that I mind him trying to open up to people and be nicer and everything but in this episode we saw more of the old snappy mckay and I think that threw Katie a little bit.

John climbing up the tower was the neatest part of the episode, and I could believe he could make it up and back down and maybe even Lorne. But the two techs, come on...

Ronon associating Keller with Melena was way to predictable, and Keller saying she had her bachelors degree before 18 would explain how she is so young as a CMO, but I dont buy it. She was so reluctant to take the CMO position because she didnt think she was "qualified" or could handle it. I would think with this apparently hidden genious and ability to advance so quickly she wouldnt have as much trouble in previous episodes. Also the whole never getting to do normal things I didnt get either, after all I thought she went to summer camp and other things as a kid, but wanted to go home. It was poorely presented and not good to her charactar and if she doesnt want people to think she is weak she shouldnt have spent a lot of time complaining.
I will say though Ronon acted very cute and their little teenage-esk way of trying not look at each other and stuff resulted in an "awww..."

Finally, I love Zelenka and it was great to see him in such a "tight" situation as it were.

Homeslice55
January 18th, 2008, 07:17 PM
I am not really claustrophobic but when he was crawling through the vents... that was more nerve-racking than Sheppard climbing the tower. And what was Teyla doing on the ledge...?

Pharaoh Atem
January 18th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Finally: Why isn't Radek a main character by now? He's in every episode!

do you remember what happen to Paul McGillion when he went from recurring to full time???:(

Briangate78
January 18th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Ok a few things about this episode.

It was not the greatest episode. It defintely was not the worst either. The episode started off slow, but it had some nice character moments.

Sheppard/Teyla

We learned how much Sheppard cares about Teyla and her baby and that she may not want to risk her baby. Sheppard using the cop as an example was brilliant. The entire Sheppard scene outside the city was very well done. Excellent special effects and etc.

Ronon/Keller

I think Ronon and Keller had some nice moments. Ronon was very honest with Keller about thinking she was weak when she first arrived. I loved the "Jaws" bit! Excellent pop culture. The Oxygen tank bit was pretty cool

Mckay/Katie

All I can say is Mckay needs to grow up and become a man. He truly messed that entire moment up with Katie. Blaming himself that he was not ready I think was his way of saying how scared he was.

Carter/Zelenka

Carter was working on her computer like the old SG-1 days, I always love that. :p Zelenka rocked in this episode. I was laughing when he falls out of the air-duct into the power room.

Not a bad episode overall, but I was truly expecting more.

GateLadyM
January 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM
The only thing half way good about this episode was, well, there wasn't much.

Good:

Sheppard worried about Teyla having her baby and the scene with the baby kicking. Nice moment.

All Zelenka scenes, except when the writers made him stupid and had him fry the laptop.

Carter finally used her brain, for a few minutes anyway.

Lorne! But there wasn't enough of Lorne this week.

The Bad:

Sheppard's climb. How convenient that he had all those foot and hand holds all the way up! Whew, that was scary - not!

The Ancient builders of Atlantis can create a lockdown where the whole facility can be sealed, but the glass breaks on contact. Yeah, right.

No one can open the door because the mechanisms have been disconnected. Even Ronon can't get a budge. But Shep and Lorne can easily pull doors open for Carter and Zelenka. *shakes head*

Teyla - I love her this year, but all that talk about protecting her baby the last few weeks, and she stupidly goes out to get fresh air? Hey writers, I can understand her worries, but a quick look up from the broken window would have been fine, but having her stand out on the ledge? That was just dumb.

Rodney was irritating. Katie was, um, boring. I kinda liked Rodney's nervousness in the beginning, then I just wanted him to shut up.

The Worst of the Worst:

Keller and Ronon. OMG, those were the most embarrassingly bad scenes from this entire season. Ronon says she is weak, she agrees, then whines yet again about how super smart she is and how she missed all those parties. Sheesh. Write her out now!

I hope to never see this episode again. It was just stinky.

jelgate
January 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents I just have to take a second and let in an air of relief. I was a little scarad that TPTB was going to kill off Katie Brown because of the speculation that was going on the forum. I always thought she made McKay a better person. I am so glad that didn't kill her off but it kind of leaves the McKay/Brown relationship at a questionable place. What happens to thes two people now? I guess only time will tell. It seem like the writers are learning from their mistakes that were made in the first half of season four. Carter was able to outsmart Zelenka in the transporter room and wire a computer into the city. Too bad Zelenka decided to overload himself and comput, however, that was quite humerous to watch. Their have some people questioning the age of Keller being able to be a doctor in Atlantis. Thank you so much for answering this question by telling us that Keller is a child prodigy. The whole, lets shoot a oxygem tank through the door was hilarious even if it didn't work. I have to say I didn't care for for the relationship between Ronon and Keller. I know nothing happened but it doesn't seem like they have the same personality. Maybe, Ronon just likes people who work in the medicial profession (Satedia). The tiny scene between Sheppard and Teyla where they were talking about what Teyla was going to do after her child was born and how Sheppard said that everyone was family on Atlantis. Sadly, I was a little disappointed that was all the time for Teyla in this episode. I imagine that RL's pregnancy was a factor in her limited screentime in this episode. Sheppard climbing the Atlantis tower was hilarious to watch. I imagine a Sheppard obsesive friend of mine enjoyed that scene.?* Zelenka crawling through the ventalation shaft was very entertaining to watch especially the part were he crashed into the power room. Lastly, ending a character episode with the Atlantis team in the mess hall is a good way to show how the experence has changed the team. Did anyone see that look Keller gave Ronon?

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 07:23 PM
why why WHY is Mckay always excluded from team moments?! the pregnancy, now this? waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Pharaoh Atem
January 18th, 2008, 07:24 PM
why why WHY is Mckay always excluded from team moments?! the pregnancy, now this? waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

it was refreshing to see someone solve the problem besides Rodney

Alicia
January 18th, 2008, 07:25 PM
I really miss episodes with Sheppard and McKay together. I thought, it would be time for an episode with good Shep McKay friendship stuff, but I only got a few minutes with them together. Must say I am disappointed about that.

Apart from that, however, I liked the episode. And I am SO grateful they didn't go through with the marriage thing!!! I have feared Katie would say "yes" for the entire episode. Don't get me wrong, I liked Katie and the Rodney/Katie relationship once, but I have to say, she's going on my nerves and by now, I think it would be too good to be true if they broke up already. I mean, one episode a season with her would be fine with me, but there've been way too many already.

Good things: Sheppard Teyla scenes (and that although I didn't like the scenes between them much last episode), Sheppard climbing Atlantis (wow! seriously. Plus: I was glad that he wasn't stuck with Teyla for the entire time), Carter Zelenka scenes (and that although I am totally anti-Carter) and Ronon Keller scenes.

Not so much: Rodney Katie scenes, like I said before. Everytime it switched to those too, I feared they'd get engaged.

Briangate78
January 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Jelgate's Two Cents I just have to take a second and let in an air of relief. I was a little scarad that TPTB was going to kill off Katie Brown because of the speculation that was going on the forum.

Never trust an internet forum discussion that is based on rumors and made-up facts. That's what I've learned. Especially here. Things get distorted and it's like throwing a stone in a lake, as the ripples get farther and farther away it is hard to tell where the original source of the stone was thrown.

dasNdanger
January 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM
Good episode...but...but I really missed Todd.

Probably shouldn't have watched Common Ground, BAMSR & SoW like...30 times...over the last week... :rolleyes:

But back to this episode.

I liked it - but didn't LOVE it. What I would have liked to see are two guys locked in together (get your minds out of the slash gutter). I mean, it's kind of cliche to have the trapped guy/girl thing. Not sure which two guys would have been good to see in that situation - maybe Ronon and Rodney, though I think only one would have come out alive had that been the case. :p

Best things were the references to Hitchhiker's Guide, and Jaws! Love stuff like that!


das

edain
January 18th, 2008, 07:28 PM
I don't understand why everyone is so gun ho on getting rid of Keller. I think she could add a softer side to Ronin, plus it would give Shepperd fodder for picking at him. I think it was well done because you have to consider these are two characters who are not very emotional so this is the way you would expect them to act when they get in a situation. Story wise they were bound to get to know one another because of all the time Ronin has to spend in the infirmary

ladyjanus
January 18th, 2008, 07:31 PM
A lovely episode, lots of fun, sweet even.

As much as I love a good action-packed shoot-em-up episode, an ep like this is a welcome change of pace.

So cool that some of the minor characters got face time. Chuck! And Katie! and Zalenka, yeah! Did anyone catch a name for the female control room tech?

My fav scene? Shepherd feeling the baby kick. Which begs the question...it's kinda been established that Shepherd is reticent about the touch-feely emotional stuff, and has a real problem with hugging (he's so cute when he's looking all awkward and queasy) but he didn't seem to have any trouble touching Teyla's tummy. It looked to me like he was already reaching for her when she took his hand and put on her belly. And grinning!

So not the best ep, not a long shot, but definitely one of the most fun eps. Definitely worth rewatching. I'd give it a solid 8/10, with a 9/10 for the giggle quotient.

ladyjanus

Alicia
January 18th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Yeah, it was a shame that there only were male/females locked in.
I would have loved to see Rodney and John locked in together! (And no, not from a slashy point of view, but in regard to their friendship.)
As it was, the very first scene was my favorite scenes, but unfortunatelly also the only John Rodney scene.

Also loved the fact that John knew Rodney's password!


No one can open the door because the mechanisms have been disconnected. Even Ronon can't get a budge. But Shep and Lorne can easily pull doors open for Carter and Zelenka. *shakes head*

Well, they tried to get it open from both sides, whereas all of the others were only able to try from one side and only in pairs. (Versus two one side one, two from the other.)

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 07:32 PM
it was refreshing to see someone solve the problem besides Rodney

I'm not talking about solving the problem. You're right, it was awesome to see Zelenka in action. I'm talking about after that, when everyone was in the commissary. Mckay gets left out of team moments too often. It feels like Shep/Teyla/Ronon are a team, with this Mckay guy that comes along sometimes.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 07:35 PM
I'm not talking about solving the problem. You're right, it was awesome to see Zelenka in action. I'm talking about after that, when everyone was in the commissary. Mckay gets left out of team moments too often. It feels like Shep/Teyla/Ronon are a team, with this Mckay guy that comes along sometimes.

those three are closer with each other then they are with Rodney, maybe with the exception of John, and I know I along with others was very dissapointed that Rodney wasnt there for the pregnancy news

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2008, 07:36 PM
Your classic stuck in a space (elevator) episode (I heard that this is used quite a lot on that Grey's Anatomy show). I thought it was pretty well done. I echo the sentiment that it is good to see Zelenka save the day (although he sort of did that in the season opener). I liked the development between Rodney and Katie (if I heard Rodney's birth year correctly, he was kind of getting old enough to start thinking about settling down). I'm not so sure how I feel about Ronon/Keller (probably more indifference than anything else)...Keller would have really prove herself in my book if she was able to make nitroglycirine from the medications ala MacGyver. I liked the Sheppard/Teyla interaction in this episode and Sheppard got some good lines as usual. Finally, I also liked Carter/Zelenka interaction quite a bit. Carter showed displayed more patience in this episode than most of the other characters.

On the nitpick side, I guess it was established that the windows in Atlantis are made out of glass. However, I would have guessed that some sort of a force field would be used to reenforce the glass in the case of a lockdown. That was a bit too convenient.

Btw, has Mercury been running car ads during Atlantis all season long? This is the first time that I have noticed the slew of Jill Wagner ads during SGA.

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Mckay/Katie

All I can say is Mckay needs to grow up and become a man. He truly messed that entire moment up with Katie. Blaming himself that he was not ready I think was his way of saying how scared he was.


I haven't seen it so I won't pretend to know what you are talking about but sometimes things are just not black and white, and really from the total lack of chemistry with these two I think if they decided it wasn't time or wasn't the right thing for them... well that sounds bloody mature to me. :cool: Also marriage is so over rated they let the likes of Britney Spears do it after all. :p
Anyway I think Katie was only ever there to please some fans who think McKay should be different, (you know not like McKay at all! :cool::rolleyes:).


I'm not talking about solving the problem. You're right, it was awesome to see Zelenka in action. I'm talking about after that, when everyone was in the commissary. Mckay gets left out of team moments too often. It feels like Shep/Teyla/Ronon are a team, with this Mckay guy that comes along sometimes.He isn't part of the TEAM that was proven in Tao and in M&MM. :cool:

Seems like I should just give this one a miss really.

jelgate
January 18th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Never trust an internet forum discussion that is based on rumors and made-up facts. That's what I've learned. Especially here. Things get distorted and it's like throwing a stone in a lake, as the ripples get farther and farther away it is hard to tell where the original source of the stone was thrown.I'll take a note of that.?* I wonder who started that rumor. Anyway, I am glad they are both alive. I think she helps bring a depth to McKay.

wurlitzer153
January 18th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Well, they tried to get it open from both sides, whereas all of the others were only able to try from one side and only in pairs. (Versus two one side one, two from the other.)

I think I remember Carter saying that the doors on the 'closet' were lighter than the other doors earlier in the episode. They just needed a little more help.

PhoenixKnght86
January 18th, 2008, 07:39 PM
I enjoyed this episode very much actually. It was mediocre for a stand alone but I thought it was a nice calm to bridge the gap after last week's action filled episode.

I am jumping on the Kellan (or Kellex?) ship. I thought in the beginning when I saw some fanart about it months ago that it wasn't going to happen. I am for one shocked and amused to be totally wrong.

And I screamed at TV the whole time Teyla stepped outside and considered climbing the tower.

What I want to know though is what Zelanka was muttering in Czech. He is awesome went talking in Czech. Some times I wish it came with subtitles.

.....now I hope that we have plenty of thrilling episodes to distract me from the fact it is still five whole weeks until The Kindred is aired...

Landers
January 18th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Well, they tried to get it open from both sides, whereas all of the others were only able to try from one side and only in pairs. (Versus two one side one, two from the other.)

Didn't McKay say the computer would disconnect the opening mechanism somehow so there was no way the door could be forced open? I thought he said that in the beginning, which is why I also was puzzled at how easy Shep and Lorne got the door open for Carter.

But this episode did have a lot of iffy moments. There was humor, but Rodney was overboard, and Keller was doing her usual self-centered whining act, as someone previously mentioned, "OMG, I was sooooo smart, and I missed soooooo many parties, wah, wah, wah, poor, poor me." I don't like her either, and now that the truth of Carson's death has been revealed, I absolutely hate her. Yep, Carson was torched by a tumor, so Ronon could get a hot squeeze. Yecch!

I did like Zelenka as a hero, and it was good to see others in the control room, including Chuck, working on the problem. That Ancient glass though, *sigh* They obviously never heard of Pella. ;)

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 07:40 PM
He isn't part of the TEAM that was proven in Tao and in M&MM. :cool:

Seems like I should just give this one a miss really.

I know what you're talking about in M&MM, but what are you referring to in Tao?

I'm not rewatching it, that's for sure.

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2008, 07:41 PM
No one can open the door because the mechanisms have been disconnected. Even Ronon can't get a budge. But Shep and Lorne can easily pull doors open for Carter and Zelenka. *shakes head*


I guess the elevator doors are weaker than that of most rooms.

As a big Zelenka fan, I think it was fairly consistent that Zelenka is not quite as apt at thinking under pressure compared to Carter. He also has quite a tendency to blow the fuse of stuff.

Vala_M
January 18th, 2008, 07:41 PM
This was a pretty good episode. The spread out events quite nicely in it. I liked how everyone was paired up in a different part of the city. I however hate when they damage Atlantis and then it's magically fixed. I wonder how they'll explain the replaced glass and balcony door glass in the next episode or will it be like in the beginning of season 4 when the big stain glass window shattered out in "First Strike" returned? Sheppard climbing the tower was pretty cool but what were the odds that the tower had a rigid surface instead of smooth? Not likely. I do however like that we found out that the lab was only 4 levels under the Gate room, I'm a blueprints and schematics type of person and I love that stuff. The thing that bothered me was about McKay messing with the quarantine protocols, I can't believe that one. But I guess without that this episode wouldn't have happend. The Oxygen tank scene was so wrong in many ways, I don't know much about tanks but I doubt ANY tank, especially a very large tank like that would go flying through the air. What's up with Ronon and Dr. Keller now? A reason for her to stay around? McKay and Katie didn't end up working. I wonder where they'll go from here.

Vala,

Bimmer33
January 18th, 2008, 07:42 PM
I really enjoyed the character development of this episode. I do however found some of the plot puzzling.

How come the inner doors are much more secure then the exterior windows?

I did not think Atlantis was air tight, I believe in Adrift Rodney said without the shield the city could not support an atmosphere.

Shouldn't the self distruct been activated by the first window being broken when john went out?

How would their communications be affected by the city's quarantine? It seems to be earth tech and not connected to the city.

tombraider
January 18th, 2008, 07:43 PM
I think I would have turned Rodney down based on the fact that he only got her an 8th of a carat of a diamond, what is that? :S

So let me get this straight, if an ugly moron presents you with a huge real rock, you would marry him??? I never could understand the neccesity of having a diamond as a proof of love. Good job, De Beers! *thumbs up*

Ok, now about the episode. It is always nice to get to know the people and this was a very good one at that. Liking main characters as people as opposed as heros makes us fell in love with the show like nothing else.
Good jokes here, about pregnant women going into labor, about the pigeons, nice reference to Hitchhikers Guide. I thought that joke about TLC causing Rodney's cactus grow more was in a bad taste, frankly.
I hope they do not kill off Kathy. She is actually made of tougher stuff than I thought, behaving calmly in the uncertain situation and doing her best to keep Rodney from panicing. Too bad he is such a primadonna. Frankly, he does not deserve this woman and she has realised that in the end. Overall nice piece of relationship writing.
I am happy for Ronon and Keller. The brainy cutie and the beast, makes sense actually. After the phrase that she never really belonged I was expecting Ronon to reassure her that now she belongs here. Basically he did just that, just not exactly in these words.
Scary tower climbing, I felt dizzy just looking at that. While that was a tad of a stretch, as far as realism goes, I found the Zelenka's fall from the shaft much more of a stretch. At least Sheppard is training like crazy, but how Zelenka managed to fall in a way not to break his neck without special training, I do not know. However, for me suspending disbelief for the favorite shows is never a problem. It was great to see Carter in the saddle again, even if briefly. Generally it was a nice episode, not spectacular, but well done.
If only they did not have those super annoying Jill Wagner Mercury commercials...
:sam:

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 07:44 PM
I went into this ep with great excitement so I'm feeling a little disappointed. I thought it was a good ep but not great. It was a bit uneven and dragged in parts. It was nice to see some different character interaction, and some parts were pure gold. Caveat: I am not a shipper of anyone, but I'm not opposed to it.

The gold
* the opening with John and Rodney - playing computer golf! The banter was great, and Sheppard's support when he realized McKay was serious (after the teasing about the itty, bitty, give-me-a-break diamond) was really nice.
* John knowing how Rodney came up with his passcode and his comment about ego. Also "42". Nice callback to Doppleganger.
* the conversation between Sheppard and Teyla about his college friend that's a cop. Not only an excellent nod to those that put their lives on the line every day (including MANY single mothers) but a nice way to start explaining why Teyla will be back on the team next season. Also, John's reminder about having family - a nice callback to Sateda.
* Teyla's face when the baby kicked. Awwww....
* Radek's reaction when Sam took off her jacket. I'm still laughing.
* both pigeon conversations - another nice callback (yea for continuity!!) although I'm ashamed to admit I can't remember which ep, and Sam's expression as she tries to explain her comments
* Carter geeking out with the tablet - science Sam returns!
* Ronon's glee as he tries to blow his way out of the infirmary. I loved the Ronon and Keller scenes - all of them including the last one in the mess hall
* Zelenka chewing himself out in Czech as he crawls through the vent (very Die Hardish) and then sliding into the power room. I love him.
* the ending scene between Katie and Rodney - specifically when she tells him goodbye as he leaves. He seems to suddenly realize what she's saying and turns as the doors close between them. Nice symbolism for the end of that relationship. I was neither for nor against this pairing so my feelings for it ending (and I do believe that's what she was saying) are indifferent except for the impact it will have on McKay.

The not-so-good
* Sheppard climbing the tower. Didn't find it believable in the least. I saw it as out of character for him, and I never believed he was in real danger.
* not enough Lorne!
* except for the conversation with John (and some impressive computer skills we haven't seen much of) Teyla was wasted here. And climbing out on that ledge. Seriously.
* Rodney redid the protocols to help with an outbreak and didn't notice that a signal would be broadcast to approaching ships? Really?
* most of the scenes with Rodney and Katie. This is my biggest complaint. There was nothing going on (which I think was the point, but still) and it slowed down the story. I also found his defeatist attitude to be slightly out of character. I know he is a natural pessimist and thinks only he can save the day, but he's been on Atlantis for almost four full years. He's seen others save the day when he couldn't (rare, but it's happened - Sheppard solving the puzzle in The Brotherhood for one but most recently Todd saving Jeannie in Miller's Crossing). He's seen his team and Carter do amazing things over the years, and yet he just lays down to die? They obviously used this to end the relationship with Katie (in my eyes anyway - and yea for not killing her off), but I just didn't buy it.

Next week Harmony. *tries to be positive*

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2008, 07:44 PM
I wasn't sure about this ep when I first saw info about it. I was very concerned that they'd kill Katie I'm so glad they didn't. I love Mckay and Katie and was a tad disapointed that they didn't get engaged however Mckay is right it's too soon. I can understand his jitters. He was very unsure of himself and he knew he screwed up. You could tell that he was hurting as he left the room and the door shut. The scenes were well done between the two of them really good job on the writers part. I hope they are still together after this. I had heard about the Keller/Ronon ship and wasnt sure if I would like it but I did. They look so great together and I hope something develops between them. Jewel really shined in this one and proves again how good she is. Never expecte the child prodigy part but I'm glad the writers finally put that issue to rest. At least I have more ammo when I defend her.;) Shep climbing the tower was brillant,nerve racking and well done. It looked like it was actually Joe doing it as it was so up close. I thought I was going to have a heart attack when he nearly fell. Carter and Zelenka complemted each other quite well. It was great to see Zelenka finally save the day. The scenes between John and Teyla were also very well done. He really does care for her. She so wanted to help glad she realised she shouldnt. This was a great episode very well done.

Vala_M
January 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Never trust an internet forum discussion that is based on rumors and made-up facts. That's what I've learned. Especially here. Things get distorted and it's like throwing a stone in a lake, as the ripples get farther and farther away it is hard to tell where the original source of the stone was thrown.

I take the rumors quite lightly. A few major ones were when people were saying at the beginning of season 4 that Carter was coming in a ship of her own which I never believe and was right. That Atlantis was going to get the Odyssey's ZPM which DIDN'T happen and I never thought it would.

Vala,

Chailyn
January 18th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Meh. Not one of the best. Despite all the warning bells and character musings, I didn't really get a sense of foreboding. "OMG! Medical Lock-Down!" False, nevermind. "OMG! Rodney screwed up!" False, nevermind. By the time they got the the "OMG! Self-Destruct!" I didn't really feel it. You can only yank the emergency chain so many times.

What I liked:

-Lorne
-Zelenka Saves the Day
-Sheppard teasing Teyla about possible labor.
-Carter used her knowledge

What I didn't like:

-Teyla climbing out that window. :S
-Zelenka messing up in front of Carter and him repeatedly asking for her forgiveness. Made him look so incompetent and Zelenka has NEVER been shown that way before. I get that they want Carter to look smart, and I liked her ideas, but I don't understand why Radek has to look like an utter idiot in comparison.
-Keller and Ronon. Those scenes were so awkward, imo. No chemistry. Very forced. I used to really like Keller, but she got on my nerves here.
-Rodney and Katie mess. It was the first time I ever felt sorry for Katie, and I don't even like her character! Rodney hasn't been that obnoxious/rude/unthoughtful/annoying since...well that might have been the worst for me. I would have taken one of those planters and whacked him over the head just to get some peace. And again, he's actually my favorite character! I think their relationship has to be over. They made Rodney out to be so horrible that the look on Katie's face said it all. I never liked their relationship but I wished they destroyed it without Rodney looking like a complete heel.

Overall, I bounced back and forth between SGA and Psych. Psych was much better. :cool:

Uber
January 18th, 2008, 07:54 PM
And Zelenka saves the day, finally.

Yahoo! Only thing that could have been better than Zelenka being the big dang hero would have been for Lorne to be the BDH.

(she does a happy dance...)

ladyjanusFinally? Radek saved the day in Adrift.

Well at least that's jmho. :)

Quinn Mallory
January 18th, 2008, 07:54 PM
Really? Everyone believes that that was the end of Rodney/Katie's relationship at the end there? Is this confirmed somewhere else or just speculation. I must have missed something there.

PhoenixKnght86
January 18th, 2008, 07:55 PM
Never expecte the child prodigy part but I'm glad the writers finally put that issue to rest. At least I have more ammo when I defend her.;)

Ditto. But, and don't get me wrong I love Keller just as much as I love Teyla (Which fall right under Weir, who is my Gate heroin) the whole child prodigy and hard working life with no childhood thing just got Keller labeled a Mary Sue by the rabid fanfiction anti-Keller writers.

It's a shame that they now have every reason to bury her six feet under. :(

I like everyone in Atlantis...it is hard for me to hate anyone because all of them are what make the show. I think the only one I wanted to see killed off was Cavinah. He deserved it.

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2008, 08:00 PM
The only thing half way good about this episode was, well, there wasn't much.

Good:

Sheppard worried about Teyla having her baby and the scene with the baby kicking. Nice moment.
I agree with this.


All Zelenka scenes, except when the writers made him stupid and had him fry the laptop.
That wasnt his fault he did all he knew how to do.


Carter finally used her brain, for a few minutes anyway.
This isn't the first time that she used her brain this year.


Lorne! But there wasn't enough of Lorne this week.
He wasnt needed more than he was.


The Bad:

Sheppard's climb. How convenient that he had all those foot and hand holds all the way up! Whew, that was scary - not!
I disagree. It's not like the handles were all in easy reach he had to jump to a few. So not convient to me and him loosing his grip on a broken whatever that was, was actually quite scary to me. Also the jumping from beam to beam was a bit nerve racking as well.


The Ancient builders of Atlantis can create a lockdown where the whole facility can be sealed, but the glass breaks on contact. Yeah, right.
Uh glass is glass you forget the the Ancients depended on their sheild to keep the city safe. Also it's not like he kicked it he threw a trash can at it.


No one can open the door because the mechanisms have been disconnected. Even Ronon can't get a budge. But Shep and Lorne can easily pull doors open for Carter and Zelenka. *shakes head*
First the transport doors are not as heavy, second John and Lorne are quite strong, and third Carter and Zelenka were pulling as well.


Teyla - I love her this year, but all that talk about protecting her baby the last few weeks, and she stupidly goes out to get fresh air? Hey writers, I can understand her worries, but a quick look up from the broken window would have been fine, but having her stand out on the ledge? That was just dumb.
My wife would agree with you I don't however. She desperatly wanted to help and try to escape but thankfully she reasoned with herself and came back in.


Rodney was irritating. Katie was, um, boring. I kinda liked Rodney's nervousness in the beginning, then I just wanted him to shut up.
I disagree. Rodney was Rodney and very nervous and Katie was far from boring.


The Worst of the Worst:

Keller and Ronon. OMG, those were the most embarrassingly bad scenes from this entire season. Ronon says she is weak, she agrees, then whines yet again about how super smart she is and how she missed all those parties. Sheesh. Write her out now!

I hope to never see this episode again. It was just stinky.

Thankfully you don't make that call. Keller is a medical professional and it was killing her that there was a city full a sick people and she couldn't get to them.(She had no way to know it was a false alarm.) Ronon and Keller shared very intimate thoughts and make a great couple IMO.

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2008, 08:02 PM
Ditto. But, and don't get me wrong I love Keller just as much as I love Teyla (Which fall right under Weir, who is my Gate heroin) the whole child prodigy and hard working life with no childhood thing just got Keller labeled a Mary Sue by the rabid fanfiction anti-Keller writers.

It's a shame that they now have every reason to bury her six feet under. :(
We just have to fight ten times harder now. I don't know what their gripe is.d


I like everyone in Atlantis...it is hard for me to hate anyone because all of them are what make the show. I think the only one I wanted to see killed off was Cavinah. He deserved it.

Agreed. I hope Carter tosses his ass out of the airlock in Midway.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 08:02 PM
Ditto. But, and don't get me wrong I love Keller just as much as I love Teyla (Which fall right under Weir, who is my Gate heroin) the whole child prodigy and hard working life with no childhood thing just got Keller labeled a Mary Sue by the rabid fanfiction anti-Keller writers.

It's a shame that they now have every reason to bury her six feet under. :(

I like everyone in Atlantis...it is hard for me to hate anyone because all of them are what make the show. I think the only one I wanted to see killed off was Cavinah. He deserved it.

I like Keller to and I hoped that if Beckett came back they would work together, but I dont see that happening if she is supposed to be this super doctor genius since childhood, i feel it negates any input beckett would have because the child prodigy would likely be right or she wouldnt be a prodigy. He is very smart and a good doctor but how can he compete with someone who did everything he did in half the time? It explained her age as CMO but other then that I think it kind of mussed things up.

Nut_Man
January 18th, 2008, 08:06 PM
Not a bad episode. It was definitely an episode written purely for character development. I think we can see that the writers are experimenting with pairing up certain characters. I have a feeling this may have just been an excuse to test the waters with some character relationships.

Erised
January 18th, 2008, 08:07 PM
I liked it because of the character development...
And because it was based in the city...
And because there was no mention of the replicators.
Still, it was a repeated idea.

Mitchell82
January 18th, 2008, 08:08 PM
I liked it because of the character development...
And because it was based in the city...
And because there was no mention of the replicators.
Still, it was a repeated idea.

How is it a repeated idea? The lockdown was very different than any previous one.

jelgate
January 18th, 2008, 08:09 PM
I liked it because of the character development...And because it was based in the city...And because there was no mention of the replicators.Still, it was a repeated idea.I'm curious, how was this a repeated idea.

Briangate78
January 18th, 2008, 08:10 PM
I liked it because of the character development...
And because it was based in the city...
And because there was no mention of the replicators.
Still, it was a repeated idea.

How was this a repeated idea? I am just curious. :)

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 08:10 PM
I know what you're talking about in M&MM, but what are you referring to in Tao?Oh it is too detailed a response for here, go look in my posts in the McKay Discussion thread I am pretty sure I ranted about the lack of love in Tao shown for Rodney, if it had been anyone else in the TEAM. :cool: Anyway as I say go to the McKay Discussion thread.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 08:11 PM
I'm curious, how was this a repeated idea.

maybe from tabula rasa or hot zone? it wasnt an sg1 i dont think

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Never expected the child prodigy part but I'm glad the writers finally put that issue to rest.

I agree. I thought it was a nice move to address her age. I found her response to Ronon to be very believable. It couldn't have been easy to hear that he had thought of her as weak since they met.


Really? Everyone believes that that was the end of Rodney/Katie's relationship at the end there? Is this confirmed somewhere else or just speculation. I must have missed something there.

Total speculation on my part, but that's what I thought the writers were trying to say with the closing doors.

FoolishPleasure
January 18th, 2008, 08:17 PM
I found this my least fav episode of the season, and usually I like the episodes that show personality and growth between characters.

I did like the early talking between Rodney and Shep re Katie, and the initial Rodney/Katie interaction, but once Rodney felt "ill", it all went downhill. You could just see Katie thinking, "knock it off!". The last bit went on too long and my brain started to turn off, but I did like McKay's expression when the door closed and he realized (I assume) that the relationship was over.

The Teyla and Shep scenes were sweet, but that baby should have been kicking around long before Teyla turned into a balloon, and the ledge scene was beyond idiotic. Teyla NEVER would have done that, IMO.

The Sheppard climb? I didn't buy it. All those ledges and crevices were so strategically placed, that it was laughable. Plus those windows. The Ancients can make stargates, but they can't make a decent piece of glass. In "Adrift" didn't the shields fail? How in the heck could those measly windows hold?

Zekenka was a gem, as usual, and I'm looking forward to someone translating his babbling in the air ducts.

Carter was more like the "real" Carter finally, but I'm still not connecting with her on this show.

I wish we could get more Lorne. Just love the guy. Maybe Joe M. and company can come up with a Lorne-centric episode for next season. *crosses fingers*

Now we get to the cringe-worthy Keller and Ronon scenes. Seriously, what does he see in a nervous, crybaby, whiny-butt girl? She sits bragging about how she got through school so young because she was so smart, but, oh dear, poor baby just didn't get invited to parties, or some such nonsense? I have no idea what she actually said, because that conversation was so embarrassing for those two, I couldn't stand to watch it. That was my run-for-a-snack moment.

Hoping next week is better.

FoolishPleasure
January 18th, 2008, 08:22 PM
I like Keller to and I hoped that if Beckett came back they would work together, but I dont see that happening if she is supposed to be this super doctor genius since childhood, i feel it negates any input beckett would have because the child prodigy would likely be right or she wouldnt be a prodigy. He is very smart and a good doctor but how can he compete with someone who did everything he did in half the time? It explained her age as CMO but other then that I think it kind of mussed things up.

Beckett has a few things that Keller doesn't.

1. Personality.

2. EXPERIENCE! She has none, as we have seen. Keller never seems to know what to do. She was flustered with Weir and didn't know what to do. She didn't know what to do in Tabula Rasa, she couldn't do anything for the Seer, etc. All that whining tonight about "those people outside that door need me!" was just more of her self-centeredness that has become so irritating.

I'll take Beckett any day.

Chailyn
January 18th, 2008, 08:23 PM
Total speculation on my part, but that's what I thought the writers were trying to say with the closing doors.

I thought so too. I never liked that relationship (and never liked her), but I felt sorry for her here. I am so disappointed in Rodney. :(

I would hope she wouldn't just forgive and forget. I think it was meant to give her a glimpse into what life with Rodney would be like. Not very appealing to say the least, although I still think Rodney was shown at his WORST. I got the impression that the writers were telling us that he didn't "deserve" her. :sigh:

This might be my least favorite ep of the season, which is odd for a character ep. I usually like them.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Beckett has a few things that Keller doesn't.

1. Personality.

2. EXPERIENCE! She has none, as we have seen. Keller never seems to know what to do. She was flustered with Weir and didn't know what to do. She didn't know what to do in Tabula Rasa, she couldn't do anything for the Seer, etc. All that whining tonight about "those people outside that door need me!" was just more of her self-centeredness that has become so irritating.

I'll take Beckett any day.

he had more experience yes, but if she was a super genius then she SHOULD have known what to do thats why i dont buy the whole prodigy thing

FoolishPleasure
January 18th, 2008, 08:33 PM
he had more experience yes, but if she was a super genius then she SHOULD have known what to do thats why i dont buy the whole prodigy thing

I haven't been able to deal with prodigies since Wesley Crusher. *shudders at the nightmarish memories* But at least the writers were smart enough to dump poor Wesley. ;)

Cap116
January 18th, 2008, 08:34 PM
I didn't think it was a excellent episode, but I enjoyed it. I think the second half of the season is getting alot better. I didn't enjoy the first half as much as I am the second half. The Ronon/Keller ship, and Carter starting to step up in her role. Kinda glad to see the MacKay/Katie ship go on the back burner. Also, kinda nice to see Carter be the problem solver again. I think this was a good episode.

the fifth man
January 18th, 2008, 08:36 PM
I thought the episode was quite good. Definitely heavy on character development, which is very good at times.

Definitely didn't expect the Ronon/Keller thing. Not at all, so I still don't know what to think about that.

As for Rodney and Katie, it's tough to say what lies ahead for those two. He really showed her an ugly side.

Briangate78
January 18th, 2008, 08:41 PM
I thought the episode was quite good. Definitely heavy on character development, which is very good at times.

Definitely didn't expect the Ronon/Keller thing. Not at all, so I still don't know what to think about that.

As for Rodney and Katie, it's tough to say what lies ahead for those two. He really showed her an ugly side.

They are really developing these characters this season. That is a good thing.

Wilson3Girl
January 18th, 2008, 08:43 PM
Loved:
-Shep calling Rodney "dude" and telling him "no, no, none of that" and "go get the girl".
-Shep knows Rodney's password and the reason/thinking behind it.
-Lorne!
-Zelenka for the win!
-Shep feeling the baby kick

This eppy wasn't one of my favorites. I felt it moved too slowly. I didn't find Shep's tower climb exciting---as someone else said there were lots of well-placed ledges for him to get a foothold---I was hoping for more scariness; I wondered why in the h*ll Teyla got out on the ledge---did she think she'd be able to climb with that big belly?--I just didn't find that believable after the talk she'd just had with John about her fear over leaving her newborn baby motherless........
Was David Hewlett sick during the filming of this episode and they just let him lie on the floor? Yeah, Rodney without a computer and no way to help would be a ranting, raving and whiny Rodney, but I don't buy him just lying on the floor the whole time.....booooooring.
I feel indifferent about Ronon and Keller. Maybe they'll grow on me.
Has that girl always worked in the control room?---The one who was helping Shep, Lorne and Chuck? I haven't noticed her before. Maybe I noticed her because she had a lot of lines tonight.

Just a meh episode for me. Next week's eppy looks promising.


Wilson3Girl

Agent_Dark
January 18th, 2008, 08:48 PM
ahahaha, zelenka really is gordon freeman. first he was running around with a crowbar pipe and whacking soldiers in tabula rasa and now he's crawling through ventilation shafts with a torch. zelenka aka freeman ftw.

joebags
January 18th, 2008, 08:48 PM
I was very bored with this one, but Zelenka redeemed it. The soapish ship issues that the writers bombarded us with were unnecessary, and I'm never going to understand Ronon and the wuss Keller attracted to each other. I'd rather have Beckett (and good stories) back.

Glad that Rodney and Katie are over, but Rodney was way over the top, and downright obnoxious. It would have been a better character building moment if Rodney had asked her to marry him in the end, and she flat turned him down. Maybe the guy would finally grow up then.

Sheppard's climb was easier than any rock wall I've ever done, and gigantic prego Teyla on the ledge? Uh, no.

We need Todd back.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 08:48 PM
I had a thought...did Rodney change his mind about Katie because she kept asking "dumb" questions? He kept getting continually short with her the more questions she asked. Just like she couldnt be with him because she is positive and cheery and he can be fatalistic, and she finally saw that. Up to now all of their moments have been Rondey trying VERY hard to be un-rodneylike

jelgate
January 18th, 2008, 08:52 PM
Beckett has a few things that Keller doesn't.1.?* Personality.2.?* EXPERIENCE!?* She has none, as we have seen. Keller never seems to know what to do.?* She was flustered with Weir and didn't know what to do.?* She didn't know what to do in Tabula Rasa, she couldn't do anything for the Seer, etc.?* All that whining tonight about "those people outside that door need me!" was just more of her self-centeredness that has become so irritating.Are we watching the same show?

FoolishPleasure
January 18th, 2008, 08:59 PM
Are we watching the same show?

I've seen all Keller's episodes, and all I see is a self-conscious, spineless, whining, tactless, incompetent doctor, who never seems to have the ability to actually SAVE someone. But at least she can do stitches! Wow, I'm impressed. ;)

ToasterOnFire
January 18th, 2008, 09:01 PM
This ep was awful. It's going down at the bottom of my list along with Travelers. :S

The pacing of the story was agonizingly slow and way too simplistic for my liking. City goes bonkers, people get trapped, people get out, yay. Um...yeah. :mckay:

I found the McKay/Katie scenes to be both boring and cringe-inducing thanks to Rodney's behavior. I expected some fumbling and OTT reactions from Rodney, but it was nonstop to the point that I tuned out whenever their scenes came on. Katie may have lived, but if their relationship is truly over then we won't see her again anyway. No loss on my end, I never thought much of her character. :cool:

The Keller/Ronon scenes were also poor. The confessions of their past felt horribly forced, as did their so called "chemistry". Also can Keller get over the whole pity me thing? Thanks, that's getting really old. Seriously, Ronon tells her that his love died back on Sateda and Keller responds by whining about missing parties?

Shep's climb had zero tension seeing as he'd never fall and die, and Teyla's way too smart to step close to the edge like that.


Blech, one average and one bad ep since BAMSR. And next week looks to fare little better. I'm hoping things pick up, because the second half has been a big letdown so far.

wheresmyfroggy
January 18th, 2008, 09:02 PM
I've seen all Keller's episodes, and all I see is a self-conscious, spineless, whining, tactless, incompetent doctor, who never seems to have the ability to actually SAVE someone. But at least she can do stitches! Wow, I'm impressed. ;)

Come to think of it, did we ever see Beckett do stitches? That must be why she was on the staff in the first place!

Keller: "And I'm a child prodigy, see, I graduated before I could vote and..."
Interviewer: "Can you stitch?"
Keller: "..."

Agent_Dark
January 18th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Keller: "And I'm a child prodigy, see, I graduated before I could vote and..."
Interviewer: "Can you stitch?"
Keller: "... yes"
Interviewer: "Excellent. Now we can get rid of the noob Beckett"

marielabbott
January 18th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I love character moments. The characters are the reason I loved Atlantis when I first saw Rising. But when character moments are forced, or feel awkward, or when the characters are actually out of character…I do not like that at all. And while there were some nice moments in this episode, most of them felt this way to me.

There were some notable character scenes that I liked. Sheppard reacting to Rodney’s pathetic engagement ring was great. I especially appreciated a partial answer to the overriding question I had from last week’s episode—how will Teyla deal with being part of the team after her child is born, if there is a chance of leaving him an orphan. Sheppard’s reassurance that he would have a family in Atlantis if anything happened was nice. I loved Zelenka climbing through the ventilation shafts, muttering Czech (I can’t wait till we get a translation!), and his fall into the power room. Zelenka saves the day!

However, there were a number of moments that I felt were awkward and forced, or even out of character. Sure Rodney’s panicky and despairing under stress, but I can’t remember when I’ve seen him this bad. And I find it pretty unbelievable that Katie isn’t well acquainted with this part of his personality; doesn’t she say in Sunday that she knows him pretty well, because there isn’t much subtext with him? And how many years have they been dating? It looks like the end of the episode implies the relationship has ended at any rate.

I didn’t like how Zelenka was portrayed in the transporter scenes. It seemed he was used as almost comic relief, and somewhat silly comic relief at that. He seemed…bumbling, and while I know McKay always says he is, I don’t think he’s ever been truly portrayed that way, until now. Carter also seemed rather testy with him, which I thought was odd and unnecessary. And what’s up with the Atlantis men sneaking a peek at women this year? First Sheppard and now Zelenka. Unnecessary, guys.

The Ronon/Keller sequences…they felt forced and awkward to me. It was nice to get an explanation about her young age, but I didn’t feel sorry for her after her speech about what she missed out on. Do you really expect me to think Ronon felt a lot of sympathy for her, after he witnessed the destruction of his planet by the Wraith, the death of his girlfriend, and spending years on the run for his life, totally isolated? And Keller missed out on a social life? Sorry, but I’m not buying them as a couple.

All in all, a few nice moments, but not a good episode.

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 09:12 PM
This ep was awful. It's going down at the bottom of my list along with Travelers. :S

I found the McKay/Katie scenes to be both boring and cringe-inducing thanks to Rodney's behavior. I expected some fumbling and OTT reactions from Rodney, but it was nonstop to the point that I tuned out whenever their scenes came on. Katie may have lived, but if their relationship is truly over then we won't see her again anyway. No loss on my end, I never thought much of her character. Well this one goes right next to TRW marked "never to be watched/only use for fanvidding" :P and as for Katie's character? What character? We hardly know her, and for me above all my ranting that is the one reason I never wanted this ship, you cannot ship a practically unknown character with a very central and well known one and think it will just work! That should be script writing 101. :cool: Of course just to completely annoy me they will now probably have loads more Katie so we do get to know her and Rodney can marry her! :rolleyes:

wraithfound
January 18th, 2008, 09:14 PM
I've seen all Keller's episodes, and all I see is a self-conscious, spineless, whining, tactless, incompetent doctor, who never seems to have the ability to actually SAVE someone. But at least she can do stitches! Wow, I'm impressed. ;)

I thought the same for the first half of the season, but in this episode I actually like her....maybe I'm just getting used to the whining. *shrugs*

Anyway, great episode! My only complaint is John scaling the central tower of Atlantis, I mean get real people, like anybody would ever do that, and then where he jumped to get ahold of one of the design things, eck.

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 09:16 PM
I thought the same for the first half of the season, but in this episode I actually like her....maybe I'm just getting used to the whining. *shrugs*

Anyway, great episode! My only complaint is John scaling the central tower of Atlantis, I mean get real people, like anybody would ever do that, and then where he jumped to get ahold of one of the design things, eck.

Him climbing the tower was kinda cool with the effects and everything, but how about the idea of john, Lorne, chuck and the girl teck ALL climbing down with no difficulty...

jelgate
January 18th, 2008, 09:17 PM
I've seen all Keller's episodes, and all I see is a self-conscious, spineless, whining, tactless, incompetent doctor, who never seems to have the ability to actually SAVE someone.Most of those terms I saw out of Beckett when he first started as a CMO in S1.

wraithfound
January 18th, 2008, 09:18 PM
True, I mean if he could barely climb up, how could they climb down?!

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Most of those terms I saw out of Beckett when he first started as a CMO in S1.

didnt he figure out how to save shepperd in 38 minutes?? that was the 4th episode of s1

Kribby
January 18th, 2008, 09:19 PM
Wow, the writers certainly wanted to make the shippers go crazy in this episode.

Haven't had this much character development in a long time. A few interesting surprises that I never saw coming.

I have dreamed about free-climbing Atlantis; to see it happen was simply incredible, although Sheppard's form is disappointing.

Finally: Why isn't Radek a main character by now? He's in every episode!



Oh no. The TPTB's can't make Radek a main character-- I'd hate to see him disappear like Beckett if the writers can't figure out an interesting story line for him.

Uranium118
January 18th, 2008, 09:20 PM
I liked the episode. It's what I call a "funny" episode, as opposed to a "story" episode. I won't do a review, just point out a few funny moments.

- When Zelenka stares at Carter's boobs
- When McKay feel awkward because Katie says her plant grows "bigger and bigger..."
- Zelenka's pigeons
- 42: Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
and a few others.

:)

Kribby
January 18th, 2008, 09:24 PM
He isn't part of the TEAM that was proven in Tao and in M&MM. :cool:

Seems like I should just give this one a miss really.

What do you mean-- he isn't a part of the team?

1138
January 18th, 2008, 10:02 PM
I'm pretty sure Mckay / Katie is over. The door closing was pretty final. Katie was also clearly carting the Rodney cactus to the waste disposal in that final scene.


And what’s up with the Atlantis men sneaking a peek at women this year? First Sheppard and now Zelenka. Unnecessary, guys.


But who can blame him? I was waiting for Sam to unzip the jacket the whole time. Zelenka had a better view though.


Him climbing the tower was kinda cool with the effects and everything, but how about the idea of john, Lorne, chuck and the girl teck ALL climbing down with no difficulty...

My mental image of the scene is that Chuck piggybacked on Sheppard and the female tech piggybacked on Lorne.

Lythisrose
January 18th, 2008, 10:03 PM
Overall I could enjoy this episode because of some of the individual character moments. I guess I would give it a B.

Things I liked:

John and Teyla – really like the relationship between them more and more. I liked the Rodney and John moment at the beginning, John knowing Rodney's code and thought John’s city climbing was fun, if not exactly realistic.
Radek – great that he gets to save the day. And pigeons.
Carter got to be sciency again for a few minutes
Ronon smiling

So So
I don’t mind Keller, but I just can’t see her as CMO or a brilliant medical prodigy. I wish she was there in some other capacity, as I do like Jewel’s acting.

Didn’t like: the way they made Rodney so defeatist and fatalistic here, he was always over the top hyper but, in the end, brave; this attitude was depressing. I felt bad for him at the end.
(I’m glad they didn’t go through with the engagement and also that Katie didn’t actually die). I’m kind of happy that no one died!

talula
January 18th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I was two inches from the television

And people on other levels of the house were telling me to stop yelling.

I've only watched it once and am waiting for my sister-in-law to get here to watch it again. But on first thoughts:

Oh John- it's no use to mask how upset you were when Rodney said he was going to propose to Katie Brown. His last ditch effort: get drunk together and *make* him change his mind. Seriously. I want to read fanfic where this happens.

My first thought when you could see Rodney changing his mind about asking Katie Brown to marry him was this: He thought he was going to die and this was not the person he wanted to be with. Even taking away my belief of Johnlove- Katie Brown wasn't part of his self-made family. And he didn't want to be dying with her. So he realized he didn't want to marry her.

And on the subject of Katie Brown- I was holding out judgement for her because we didn't get much of her to judge. But she has no depth. One dimensional 'nice girl' is not interesting. Especially the way these characters have become so multi-dimensional.

Oh I got one more thought about why he decided not to marry her. His reason at the end was that he had things about himself to work on. But I think this: Katie Brown was telling him his whole outlook on life was wrong. He realized she wouldn't accept him the way he was. And John does. Okay. I went back to Johnlove. Sue me. I would also read fanfic about Rodney telling that to John.

Final John/Rodney note: when John saw Rodney's radio and realized he was probably somewhere without access to a computer he didn't say anything about him not being able to save the city. He said (something like) "He must be freaking out." And he knows his password. Come on. They're not even hiding it anymore. (loved the 42 reference!)

TWO MAIN CHARACTERS OPENLY LIKE EACH OTHER ON THE SHOW! Sorry. Didn't mean to yell. But I yelled at the television. The best part was that I completely believed it. It seemed natural. Liked the extra backstory on Keller. I always smile and have an innner squee every time Ronon smiles and does that thing with his eyes. You know. The thing he does with his eyes. Liked that character development actually got them to like each other and not just physical attraction (see: Carter's boobs).

Ronon referenced Jaws! Keller standing there with the eye protection looking scared to death (so cute!) vs. Ronon having a great time; whatever happens in their relationship- it's gonna be adorable. This episode has made the addition of Keller (which seemed to have little to no point in my eyes) an awesome part of the show.

Loved the way that Teyla saw right away that Ronon and Keller liked each other. I mean- it was in the first second of her walking over. Just reinforces the bond those two have. And goes back to when Ronon knew about her and Mr. Guy-We've-Never-Seen when no one else did.

Zelenka: Pigeon. Adorable. Overall I thought the scenes with Zelenka and Carter were not so interesting. Plus they made me feel all claustrophobic. Did like the part when Zelenka was telling her she couldn't hook the tablet up and she started doing stuff while he was talking. Reminded me of real Samantha Carter. Here's hoping she's making a comeback.

Oh. I almost forgot. When John said (something like) 'Your child will always have a family here if something should ever happen' almost made me cry. I always love a team=family reference. But I think it also said that whatever is pissing John off about Teyla's pregnancy is something he won't hold against the child. And Teyla kind of making a traditional family isn't going to make Teyla less a part of their family. I think she really needed to know that.

*sigh*
I love these guys. I loved this episode.

ravinia
January 18th, 2008, 10:05 PM
have to agree... the pace was verrrry slow. Rodney wasn't the only one lying around on the floor waiting for something... anything... to happen.

I just still find it weird that ship-mania is ok on Atlantis but over at SG-1 god forbid there was any shipping whatsoever unless the other person was killed at the end of the episode, or was from an alternate reality, or it was all a dream. LOL.

Carter's character was wasted this ep, her role could have been played by anyone.

sorry to be so whiny. looking forward to better episodes to come.

Ravinia

majorsal
January 18th, 2008, 10:21 PM
very enjoyable episode. :D

i laughed many times and even squirmed when sheppard was climbing about outside atlantis. (have a fear of heights so it was mega squirming)

mckay... no matter how nice katie is, i have a feeling she'd try to kill him within 1 year if they got married. :p (((:mckay:)))

ronon and keller are cute! :p nice to learn some more about keller.

i LOVED zelenka's reaction to sam taking off her jacket. :lol: of course, he happened to turn towards her *right* when she was puffing out her chest to take the jacket off. i won't say poor zelenka. :p

teyla seems much bigger now. how much time has passed? i liked sheppard's fear of teyla going into labor. but he's got it wrong. if she went into labor, it would be SUPER painful and SUPER gory and she'd be in labor for a SUPER long time. :p

i soooo loved seeing sam in this ep. i missed her in last week's. :sam:




sally :)

majorsal
January 18th, 2008, 10:24 PM
It sounded to me at the end that the relationship with Rodney and Kate is over. That goodbye, that sounded like goodbye forever.

it sounded that way to me too. it's mckay's reaction to it that gave me the impression, because you could see it suddenly hitting him that she was saying goodbye to their relationship.



sally :)

majorsal
January 18th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Pretty good episode, I have a fondness for Atlantis "in-house" episodes.

oh, me too! i feel atlantis is another character on the show. and she's shipped with everyone, because everyone's in love with her. :p but atlantis is cool!



Rodney trying to propose was exactly how I would have pictured it, but I am kinda glad that they decided to wait because I dont think Mckay would be the charactar he is with a wife, a girlfriend yes, wife not so much. Its not that I mind him trying to open up to people and be nicer and everything but in this episode we saw more of the old snappy mckay and I think that threw Katie a little bit.

i also think that as much as katie is good for mckay, over a period of time, mckay wouldn't be good for katie. she's too gentle to be able to take him without him dragging her down. she might change (negatively) too much to get to a strong enough level. but then again, i don't know her character well enough.



sally :)

majorsal
January 18th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Teyla - I love her this year, but all that talk about protecting her baby the last few weeks, and she stupidly goes out to get fresh air? Hey writers, I can understand her worries, but a quick look up from the broken window would have been fine, but having her stand out on the ledge? That was just dumb.



at first i was getting mad at her, then i realized that teyla was still thinking as a non pregnant woman. it seems very hard for her to pull back and not take care of herself and everything around her. but she realized that maybe she could climb that cliff (atlantis), but her baby would be in danger so she stopped.



sally :)

Chezlee
January 18th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Yeah as she stepped out there I was like "Telya! your to front heavy go back go back!!"

Kliggins
January 18th, 2008, 10:37 PM
Now we get to the cringe-worthy Keller and Ronon scenes. Seriously, what does he see in a nervous, crybaby, whiny-butt girl? She sits bragging about how she got through school so young because she was so smart, but, oh dear, poor baby just didn't get invited to parties, or some such nonsense? I have no idea what she actually said, because that conversation was so embarrassing for those two, I couldn't stand to watch it. That was my run-for-a-snack moment.

This was my "throw something at the TV moment". Fortunately, the TV survived.

Leliana McKay
January 18th, 2008, 10:44 PM
To tell the truth I was nervous since the first seconds into the episode. After all those rumours... at the end of the episode I was left thinking...that's it? OH GREAT! **sarcasm** Bah, never mind.

I loved the episode anyway. Great plot, simple I should say, but very effective. Everyone assuming Rodney is gonna save the day was nice, but in the end he doesn't. Radek finally gets to shine!
Rodney really freaking out in the plant room was sad to watch (so that was the emotional breakdown mentioned by David? Well, I thought it would be worse)
The proposal...it was a sad thing too. Katie seemed happy about it when she saw the ring and then she seemed troubled (not sure what she was really thinking) but we knew Rodney was proposing under wrong pretenses.

The Ronon/Keller pairing started very nicely. Very cute and even romantic. I think there was too much chatting (it bored me a bit) I cursed at Radek for cutting their kiss though...

My favorite scene of the episode is John climbing up the damn tower!! (AMAZING SHOTS!! I was really scared...even more when John mentioned climbing down)

John is getting a bit better at the "feelings" talk. And when Teyla took his hand for him to feel the baby kick, I could hear the Sheylas cheers from miles away! Very sweet moment. Of course John freaking out about Teyla giving birth during the lockdown was soooo to be expected. John remembering Rodney's password was awesome too (slashers must have been cheering from afar!! What was it again... Newton, Einstein and Rodney birthdates?)

In the end, I was disappointed by the lack of real catastrophic event. Everything seemed rather surreal after all this drama and worry. Still, I award the episode a 9.5/10 for finally making some character progress.

Ruffles
January 18th, 2008, 10:49 PM
I had a thought...did Rodney change his mind about Katie because she kept asking "dumb" questions? He kept getting continually short with her the more questions she asked. Just like she couldnt be with him because she is positive and cheery and he can be fatalistic, and she finally saw that. Up to now all of their moments have been Rondey trying VERY hard to be un-rodneylike

Personal opinion - no. My feeble attempt at reconciling the Rodney in Quarantine with the one who offered his life in MC and stared at a queen ready to feed on him without begging in SoW is that he recognized how abominably he'd acted towards Katie while they were trapped. In the mess hall scene Ronon starts to tell the table about McKay thinking he was sick (Keller arriving interrupts the story). So perhaps one of his teammates pointed out what a bonehead he'd been.

I think McKay finally saw just how different he and Katie were.


i also think that as much as katie is good for mckay, over a period of time, mckay wouldn't be good for katie. she's too gentle to be able to take him without him dragging her down. she might change (negatively) too much to get to a strong enough level. but then again, i don't know her character well enough.



sally :)

I think you're right. McKay needs someone that will slap him when he acts that way instead of enabling him - someone that won't put up with his crap. Over time, his attitude would definitely destroy a wall flower like Katie. The bright spot is he at least has begun to see he has large areas available for self-improvement.

majorsal
January 18th, 2008, 10:56 PM
This might be my least favorite ep of the season, which is odd for a character ep. I usually like them.

my least was last weeks.



sally :)

morjana
January 18th, 2008, 10:59 PM
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Shan Bruce Lee
January 18th, 2008, 11:00 PM
A little too much love story stuff in this episode for me but it's still a good episode.

I liked Shep's Batman line. That climbing scene was the best part of the episode for me.

Zelenka falling out of the vent shaft was hilarious.

Shan Bruce Lee
January 18th, 2008, 11:08 PM
Jewel must absolutely cringe when she's handed her scripts. Seriously, how can you feel any kind of empathy for such a self centred, "oh woe is me" kind of character.

First with Teyla, now with Ronon.

I can't for the life of me understand how TPTB thought that this character was a good idea.

I like Jewel, but Keller --- OMG. Someone feed her to the wraith, for crying out loud.

I thought she was great in this episode.

Major_Griff
January 18th, 2008, 11:13 PM
I think think this was a good ep. I liked that they used pairings that for the most part were unseen until now. The Ronon/Keller stuff was nice. Oh and I loved that Chuck got to leave the control room for once. Zelinka crawling through the vents was hilarious. I kinda wish that Rodney and Katie had decided to get married. It would be very interesting new territory for SG. The ending of the ep seemed to suggest that their relationship is coming to an end, which is unfortunate. Also the scene in the beginning with Shep and McKay after he told him he was gonna propose was great. Overall, 8/10.

Mack_1
January 18th, 2008, 11:25 PM
:zelenka: This episode was a nice one. ;)

Like the pairings they had. :)

Sheppard/Teyla scenes was really good, and sequence is not something the producers are working much this season right? we went from no tummy Teyla to almost delivering baby in two weeks. :sheppard: :teyla:

Sheppard climbing that tower I don’t buy it.:S

And what is wrong with Teyla steeping out of the ledge like that. :confused:

Carter and Zelenka I love. :sam: :zelenka:

Zelenka was so nervous around Sam that he didn’t know how to react, that’s why he almost fry himself, and the pigeon’s chat was so funny, Sam got to know a side of one of her scientist she didn’t know, and I love how Carter was tying to reassure him he did nothing wrong, to some this felt like Zelenka was portrayed as week and comical, to me it was a normal reaction of two people trying to know each other and trying to work things out, for what I seen Mackey is always doubting or second guessing Zelenka so is normal for him to feel out of his element with her, besides when they got out of the elevator, Sheppard and Lorne were kind of doubting him been able to fix the problem and Carter’s answer was “He’ll make it!” she thrust his abilities and knowledge, and you see the surprise in Sheppard and Lorne faces when she said this. :zelenka25:

The line “they are not for eating” was so funny and Carter trying to explain LOL :mckayanime08:

Scientific carter came out and play, if only for a minute. :sam59:

Mckay and Katie are so over, and why do TPTB do this to this character all the time, whiny Rodney thru the ¾ of the episode, I’m not that fond of the character but I just get annoyed that they portrayed him this way, laying down to die c’mon!. :mckay09:

Ronon/Keller were ok, why is it that no matter what the woman do is not good enough? I think she has develop some character into her roll, yes she is young and yes she doubts herself, but that is better than her coming in to the roll and be “like I know it all” :ronananime28:

The oxygen tanks scene was so wrong and not believable. :S

Ronon/Keller ship bring it on. :zelenka25:

Last scene when Carter said “Great work Radek this base own you a debt of gratitude” you see him more relax and asure of him self. :zelenka25: :samanime20:

Agree this was a Selenka episode all that mumbling :zelenkaanime07:

morjana
January 18th, 2008, 11:36 PM
I did not think Atlantis was air tight, I believe in Adrift Rodney said without the shield the city could not support an atmosphere.

Atlantis had been damaged and it was in...the vacuum of space in Adrift.

Somewhat different circumstances than Quarantine.

Morjana

morjana
January 19th, 2008, 12:35 AM
didnt he figure out how to save shepperd in 38 minutes?? that was the 4th episode of s1


Actually Shep figured out how to save himself. Shep thought of the defibrillator to stop his heart, to convince the Iratus bug that much was over and to let go of Shep's neck.

Then Ford took the next step by releasing the emergency hatch, and then Carson and his medical team revived Shep.

Team effort once again.

Morjana

Nyaro
January 19th, 2008, 12:38 AM
The oxygen tanks scene was so wrong and not believable. :S


Though I doubt in normal circumstances an oxygen tank would fly around, it was raised up several feet onto a level surface and it only remained in the air for a short time (and after bouncing off a wall as well). And the force of an air tank suddenly breaking open is tremendous. While I was still working in a vet clinic, my supervisor warned me to be careful with the oxygen tanks (used for surgery) because they could blow a hole through at least one wall (probably more) and seriously injure/damage everything and everyone in the surrounding area in a short amount of time. Also, Oxygen tanks are only as heavy as the metal used to make them. Obviously, air doesn't weigh any noticeable amount. And Ronon picked the tank up with relative ease (I've picked up smaller tanks easily as well, and I'm not very strong). Obviously it's no balloon, but it was in the air for such a short time that it seemed believable enough to me, especially with the force the air creates to propel it.

I could be wrong though. I have a healthy respect for oxygen tanks and little knowledge of physics. XD

As for everything else, I liked it for the most part. Many things were odd or forced though (I will agree). I thought Ronon and Keller were cute, but a bit overdone and forced in some parts. I do think they have possibilities though. (And I like Keller. Of course she's whiny, etc, but she's a young-un, and I don't think she has much experience. She even states a few times that she doesn't believe she's cut out for the job. She's obviously not very confidant, even if she is a genius child. (Also, geniuses sometimes have a very hard time dealing with the real world, as seen by some of our favorite Stargate scientists). It's not surprising to me that she's timid, never had much socializing, and has little confidence. And as far as I'm concerned, we need to have a different sort of character every once in awhile (also, I loved Jewel's character in Firefly, so I'm a tad biased. XD))

Teyla's fine, as long as she's not actually climbing anything. She's sure-footed, and has had time to get used to the weight of the baby. Far as I'm concerned, she just wanted to make sure John made it.

As for Mckay. Well...overdone and forced again. But I did feel sorry for him. So much worry! And then believing he's sick on top of that. Not surprised he would collapse. I believe Katie's opened her eyes now. Poor them. I don't like or dislike her though, so I don't really care. >.>

I liked this episode overall. Not a good one for plotish things though. lol :tealc:

morjana
January 19th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Over time, his attitude would definitely destroy a wall flower like Katie.

Calling a bontanist a wallflower...so punny.

:)

Morjana

xenomorph1211
January 19th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Meh...kinda a boring episode....climing up the tower was kinda cool, but the rest was just filler and it was a money saving episode... 7/10

Willow'sCat
January 19th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Well I decided I would grit my teeth and watch it... C'mon I need my Hewlett fix! *what I won't do for that man* :rolleyes::p

Anyway total filler ep! Not surprised as it is yet another Carl Binder episode. :cool: Really for all we learned of the characters it was filler.

Keller I loved, but then I love Keller! ;) Ronon was not a complete caveman so that wasn't too bad but why tptb need to tease folks with kiss/not kiss moments is well it is JUVENTILE... what are we 12?! :rolleyes:

Carter was good with Radek, Radek was Rodney... every moment I kept thinking if that wasn't Carter they would have had Rodney there... I think in the end the only reason it was Radek is because too many fans *looks at self* would have screamed blue murder if it had of been Carter locked up with Rodney... so basically "tonight's role of Rodney McKay will be played by Radek Zelenka" :cool::p

Sheppard, hmm, not sure how I feel about his interactions with Rodney yet, will have to study that (a lot) later. Teyla I am really worried about, she is so the nothing more then pregnant female now. :S I knew it would happen but man was that fast!

Lorne... I just really love Lorne. He could do nothing say nothing and there would be the love. :)

Chuck... see above. ;)

Katie and Rodney... well it wasn't as bad as some have commented, but it was pretty out of character if you ask me. To be fair to Rodney and Carl I think the problem is that for Rodney he actually believed there was a problem, a virus or disease that would kill him and he was totally powerless to even try (therefore keep himself occupied) to stop it... in other words his worst nightmare! :(

I don't like the way he was written here, I think it was too much and over blown and really seemed forced to have him behave like this, behave like this after everything he has gone through. Reset Rodney and then have the nerve (as a writer) to have Rodney say what he said about himself at the end... like I, as a fan of the character should just shut up because hey Rodney sees his flaws... frak that!:cool:

But anyway... if it meant the end of the Katie thing then paint me ecstatic it happen!

I am pretty sure they will break up if it hasn't already happened plus... spoilers Trio. given that in Trio Rodney flirts with Carter... well it would be really bad form even for Rodney to do that if he is still with Katie.

Not that tptb wouldn't go there. :cool::rolleyes:

Two things that made no sense and sorry if people have pointed these out... Sheppard easily broke the window! A window that in the past had to with-stand the pressures of water and space... even with a shield that is a little hard to believe he just hit it once and it broke!? He hit it with a lightweight stool and it broke!

I don't think so.

Secondly he hit the window and it broke! Why didn't the death nell... the countdown alarm thingy start up the minute he broke the first window? :S

morjana
January 19th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Enjoyable episode, with several good chuckles, and one yelling at the screen.

So glad that we didn't a Cartwright solution to the Rodney/Katie relationship. I think Rodney felt he was ready for that next step -- and then realized that he wasn't. To be able to make that realization takes character growth as well. I do agree that Rodney needs a relationship partner that has a character at least as strong as his, if not stronger, to keep in him line.

Loved the bit with cactus and Rodney coughing.

Absolutely loved the Shep and Teyla and the Carter and Zelenka scenes in this episode. I thought it was interesting how Shep and Teyla continued their conversation about Teyla being on his team, as it addressed an issue brought in last week's discussion on SOW -- what would happen to Teyla's son if Teyla was KIA.

So cool that the baby kicked, and John thinking (at first) that he shouldn't have teased Teyla about going into labor! And then Teyla taking John's hand to place on her abdomen so that he could feel the baby kicking.

Screamed at the tv when Teyla climbed out on that ledge! Fortunately, Teyla must have heard me, because she went back into the lab.

Zelenka peeking down Sam's blouse and then checking out her butt. LOL!

And LOVED having SG1 Carter back in this episode!

The Ronon and Keller scenes in the infirmary were nice, and I loved how at the end of the episode both Shep and Teyla knew that Ronon and Keller hadn't been idle while they were trapped.

I was also bemused by the glass being breakable with a chair hurled through it. One would think that the Ancients would be clever enough to use stronger glass for a city that could fly through space or sink beneath the surface of an ocean. Shields are wonderful, but as we've seen in "Rising," and "Adrift," things happen.

And then...that time worn writer's loophole (shades of Voyage Under the Sea and the Seaview...oy!) -- the air vents! But I loved Zelenka and his muttering in Czech, Carter's faith in him, and then Carter's quiet praise of him at the end of the episode. And what a lovely smile David Nykl has!

(By the way, the Chevron 26 web site:

http://www.chevron26.com/estart1.html

has a video of a David Nykl commercial...where he takes a shower. Go to: Downloads, Stargate Atlantis, Other Video Clips and:

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David Nykl tries to take a hot shower

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Wonderful to see Lorne, and marvelous to finally have Chuck get more to do in an episode.

All in all, I'd give this episode 7 out of 10 flying oxygen tanks.

Morjana

Aethon
January 19th, 2008, 02:00 AM
Good ep, basically agree on most above comments.

The glass was ridiculous! That glass was so stage-glass. In reality he would need to take that chair and hit it against the glass like 30 times to get a good crack. One hit would den't but it would increase until the glass had so many splits it appears abit gooy... because shattered glass thats still intac't is slightly bendable...

Mckay a little over played, feel a bit sad for him yet glad they kinda broke up because McSam forever!

Klenotka
January 19th, 2008, 02:31 AM
Just one thing - can anyone explain to me why Zelenka doesn´t have any promo photos? He is in more episodes than Keller, he has been there for four years now and he still doens´t have any promo photos while Keller has?
He saved the day today, he was great in this episode...

Dactyls
January 19th, 2008, 03:05 AM
True, I mean if he could barely climb up, how could they climb down?!

They used Lorne's C4 to blow holes in the doors, they never climbed down. The dialogue confirm it ("We used the last of the C4..."). The problem was, they managed to ration it so they got down to Carter and Zelenka, but they had no more to keep going.

x303
January 19th, 2008, 03:31 AM
all round good character development episode. much needed alot of action and main story development. its important for character development to take place coz then more jokes can breed from it and more new avenues can b formed in regular sci-fi action episodes

from the begining of the episode when ronan comes in to sort his hand out n kellar goes "u've been in her 3 times this week", i thought them 2 should get together. i mean a perfect match man, he's kick ass warrior who fights to the end and she can heal him, she's too soft and he's solid! plus they're both hot, i aint gay but i also aint blind ronan must get loadsa women. plus his hairs f**kin cool man wish i could pull that off

and yeah zelenka should get opening credits promo he's paid his atlantis dues. but i guess he's not considered a main plot line character he's in a supporting role. but still they can't kill him off, it wud b just too much after what happened to Beckitt

silkie
January 19th, 2008, 03:34 AM
Quarantine - a complete waste of time except for the part with Zelenka staring at Carter's boobs...

JackHarkness_Hot
January 19th, 2008, 03:35 AM
This episode is a hilarious one, major character developments there, I love how they all interact differently to the situation, at one point, everybody all hoping the other would be working on the situation. Zelenka staring down at Carter's breasts and getting semi-fried by the transporter's control panel, Sheppard remembering McKay's big ass passcode! Rodney going all hypertensive, LOL All good.

Personally, I love seeing Atlantis go into lockdown mode and the alarm being broadcasted throughout the city and the bit where the bulkhead slammed down sealing off McKay's office from rest of the city was really cool. I also love the scene where you see McKay trying to open the door with a small spade, HA HA!

Sheppard has really matured when you can tell he is willing to take responsibility for Teyla and her baby and with that, use that courage to climb up 4 floors outside, god, he has such strong upper-body strength!

Ronan and Keller, well who knew! HA HA Kudos to Zelenka


Unfortunately, it's a pity that McKay didn't get engaged to Katie Brown and the "bye" had such finality, I doubt Katie would ever want to see him ever again cos, she obviously wanted to get married to him and McKay being a typical dumb guy (socially), decided to go on the whole, "I'm not ready" speech when in actual fact, he is ready. Marriage is what I regard the bond for life despite any shortcomings as your partner is there to make you stronger.

Brilliant episode! 10/10


EDIT: To those complaining about Keller, if one gets a Bachelor Degree before voting age (18 years old??) that says something and unfortunately for many brain-whizz kids in the real world, social-inhibitions does occur so back off already! Ronan obviously likes her cos of her ability to do her duty and he can appreciate that as he was a leader of his military group, plus she reminds him of his dead girlfriend.

Kribby
January 19th, 2008, 03:37 AM
I thought so too. I never liked that relationship (and never liked her), but I felt sorry for her here. I am so disappointed in Rodney. :(

I would hope she wouldn't just forgive and forget. I think it was meant to give her a glimpse into what life with Rodney would be like. Not very appealing to say the least, although I still think Rodney was shown at his WORST. I got the impression that the writers were telling us that he didn't "deserve" her. :sigh:

This might be my least favorite ep of the season, which is odd for a character ep. I usually like them.

I also definitely think the relationship is over. It is a bit sad but, ummmmmm being a realistic (some might call negative) person myself...

How was Rodney going to live with that bright sunshiney person that essentially rejected reality for the 'Everything is going to be alright' way of thinking.

I personally found her oblivion more upsetting than McKay's realism.

For that reason, I couldn't see it working between them long term.

He rather needs someone a bit more like Carter-- Someone that can help him problem solve through the daily issues of life.

Kribby
January 19th, 2008, 03:39 AM
I liked the episode. It's what I call a "funny" episode, as opposed to a "story" episode. I won't do a review, just point out a few funny moments.

- When Zelenka stares at Carter's boobs
- When McKay feel awkward because Katie says her plant grows "bigger and bigger..."
- Zelenka's pigeons
- 42: Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
and a few others.

:)

Katie's plant growing 'bigger and bigger' was too funny. For a moment I thought she was making an inappropriate sex joke but then I realized she was just being a botany geek and oblivious to the sexual aspect of her comments.

JackHarkness_Hot
January 19th, 2008, 03:50 AM
Katie's plant growing 'bigger and bigger' was too funny. For a moment I thought she was making an inappropriate sex joke but then I realized she was just being a botany geek and oblivious to the sexual aspect of her comments.

That was hilarious and the way, "It gets bigger and bigger" comment was said too! LMAO :D

Atlanis
January 19th, 2008, 03:52 AM
Rodney you pillok! she wanted to marry you! you pillok!

And I do hope one day we see thoes two marry but why he called it off I agree with

I also hope this isn't the end of their releationship cause their pretty good for each other

And the flirting between Keller and Ronnan oh I loved that but them not kissing oh god! and the way Rachel played that "we know what your about to do" I just loved loved it!
A saburb EP I loved it!!!!!!!

eviladam
January 19th, 2008, 04:03 AM
Was any one else thrilled by last night's episode of Atlantis when two of the digits to McKay's pass word were 42? I loved it. If you don't know what I mean a: you should be ashamed of yourself and b: it's a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy thing.

:sheppard: 42

:teyla: What's that?

:sheppard: The ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything.

tjmitchem
January 19th, 2008, 04:03 AM
I liked several things about this episode.

The Ronon and Keller thing seems oddly right, somehow. I like my CMOs to be able to do a little damage, and just being near Ronon would make Keller more dangerous :)

Chuck got to do something!

Zelenka saves the day! He definitely needs to learn how to fall better though :)

The look on Shep's face when he thinks he might have to deliver a baby. I could just see him thinking "My Airman's Handbook did not cover this situation".

edain
January 19th, 2008, 04:25 AM
I found this my least fav episode of the season, and usually I like the episodes that show personality and growth between characters.

I did like the early talking between Rodney and Shep re Katie, and the initial Rodney/Katie interaction, but once Rodney felt "ill", it all went downhill. You could just see Katie thinking, "knock it off!". The last bit went on too long and my brain started to turn off, but I did like McKay's expression when the door closed and he realized (I assume) that the relationship was over.

The Teyla and Shep scenes were sweet, but that baby should have been kicking around long before Teyla turned into a balloon, and the ledge scene was beyond idiotic. Teyla NEVER would have done that, IMO.

The Sheppard climb? I didn't buy it. All those ledges and crevices were so strategically placed, that it was laughable. Plus those windows. The Ancients can make stargates, but they can't make a decent piece of glass. In "Adrift" didn't the shields fail? How in the heck could those measly windows hold?

Zekenka was a gem, as usual, and I'm looking forward to someone translating his babbling in the air ducts.

Carter was more like the "real" Carter finally, but I'm still not connecting with her on this show.

I wish we could get more Lorne. Just love the guy. Maybe Joe M. and company can come up with a Lorne-centric episode for next season. *crosses fingers*

Now we get to the cringe-worthy Keller and Ronon scenes. Seriously, what does he see in a nervous, crybaby, whiny-butt girl? She sits bragging about how she got through school so young because she was so smart, but, oh dear, poor baby just didn't get invited to parties, or some such nonsense? I have no idea what she actually said, because that conversation was so embarrassing for those two, I couldn't stand to watch it. That was my run-for-a-snack moment.

Hoping next week is better.

I don't know maybe she's a pretty nice looking nervous, crybaby, whiny-butt girl

radiosgalore
January 19th, 2008, 04:50 AM
not seen it so can't really comment much but I think i'll like it. As far as Mckay and women YEA RIGHT!! i can't imagine any woman wanting a stuck up so and so like him. not being a woman i can't say but i suspect most would be dying to slap him most of the time. I like him though but I do wonder what he thinks of playing a guy with such a swollen head. oh well i'll watch soon enough and be able to say more

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 04:53 AM
The good:

1. Zelenka, Carter, Rodney and Katie. The latter group performed flawlessly, acting wise. Oh yeah, one more thing Ronon's joke : "The door is a lot stronger than a shark :P "


The bad:

1. When I saw this episode I was like: "Have I entered a parallel universe? No continuity whatsoever!".
2. Keller's search for pity, her mating ritual, and Teyla's need for fresh air :P.


The ugly:

1. Deja vu anyone? We know Atlantis is smart and can perform a total lock down. Move on people, we need something fresh.
2. Sheppard, yet again, puts everyone in danger with his actions. Did not know Sheppard was a climbing champ amongst other things. Guess they should send him on mount Everest as well, seeing how easy he climbed that tower. Realism? What's that? :P



I was willing to open a bottle of Veuve when I saw that he goes climbing. I even jumped out of my ANTI couch hoping he might slip. Oh well, another time, another day :P.

GateLadyM
January 19th, 2008, 05:38 AM
The bad:

1. When I saw this episode I was like: "Have I entered a parallel universe? No continuity whatsoever!".
2. Keller's search for pity, her mating ritual, and Teyla's need for fresh air.

Keller has a completely disjointed view of reality, and is completely wound up in herself and what SHE needs/wants.

In Missing, Keller spent all that time watching a frantic Teyla, and knowing how despondent Teyla was about her missing people/family, Keller then goes on to say how she is on her way to visit daddy and she hadn't seen him in a long time and it would be so wonderful! How self-centered can you get!?!? You are treating a woman who has lost everyone she knows and you brag about seeing you father? I so wanted Teyla to belt her!

Then in Quarantine, Ronon tells the story of everyone he knows being murdered,and Keller almost goes into tears telling HER horrible lifestory (which is so much more important to HER) about all the parties she missed. WTH????

Throw her out the window Ronon!

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Throw her out the window Ronon!

What a day that will be if Ronon does that on their first date :P. Priceless, but hey, for everything else there is Mastercard.

GateLadyM
January 19th, 2008, 05:45 AM
What a day that will be if Ronon does that on their first date :P. Priceless, but hey, for everything else there is Mastercard.

Those windows are so flimsy, all Ronon would have to say would be, "Hey, she slipped on all those tears she spilled on the floor, and fell out the window" and everyone would believe him. ;)

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 06:05 AM
Off the top of my head...

Good:
* Keller and Ronon trying to break out of the infirmary - let's improvise, shall we
* Radek saved the day
* Radek crawling inside the vents, muttering in Czech
* Radek having his favorite pigeon as wallpaper - aw!
* Katie talking about how the cactus grows and grows - :D
* Sheppard and Rodney in the lab, talking about getting the girl
* Sheppard, Teyla, Ronon and Zelenka around the table in the cafeteria
* Keller joining the table - Teyla & Sheppard's look and Ronon's look - priceless
* Sheppard climbing up the tower, barging into the control room 'Honey, I'm home'-style - :p
* Teyla looked nice... and that's pretty much all she did. Yelled out loud when she stepped through the window: "TEYLA, what the frell are you doing there! Get back inside!" *lightbulb* FIC!!!!! *thinks some more* FIC!!!!
* Sheppard looking at Teyla, like he's expecting something to happen and then telling her about what happens in the movie - yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
* Sheppard & the whole "he has a family here" - not a John/Teyla-shipper, never. Teyla and Kate belong together, but that was sweet of him

Bad:
* Why does Radek have to make the mistake? To make Carter look smarter than him? Oh please...
* Hot Zone all over again but without the outbreak
* Katie & Rodney is now officially a bust :(
* Problem - fixed - new problem - fixed - another problem - fixed - ... didn't we already do that in Adrift? :S
* the idea behind the episode was rather lame to say the least... Carl Binder's Windows XP or Mac OSX must have gone on a fritz, and while he's rebooting his computer he went like ... "Hey, Atlantis OS could do that too, and problems ensue." ... Guess we're lucky he wasn't standing in the shower and goddess knows what happened to him there that he could write into Atlantis... Oh wait, Ronon's joke about slipping in the shower! :S
* Rodney was a jerk to Katie - Katie, sweetie, you deserve better than that self-centered ass-hat - I thought he was different around her but well that was a wrong idea I had

Lord batchi ball
January 19th, 2008, 06:26 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. It seems like every episode this season just keeps getting better and better. Lots of great character interaction.

WOW Keller and Ronon, did not see that coming. At first I thought he was just being funny.

Poor Rodeny, this was not a great episode for him. But hopefully he learned a bit.

Carter and Radek, great interaction between the two.

and 42, I have a friend that always says that in Calc, well I thought he just suffered to many concusions in football. BUt he told me where it was from but I forgot.

And Ronon firing that tank how freakin funny was that. What a freakin mess.

The one thing I had a problem with is Shep climbing the tower. Very few experianced climbers would even think of doing that let alone gymists.

talyn2k1
January 19th, 2008, 06:29 AM
The Good:
Carter & Zelenka's awkwardness - I like it when not all of the characters totally get along.
Zelenka grabbing an eyeful when Carter took her coat off :D
Zelenka saves the day.
Zelenka's pigeon wallpaper :)
Shepherd climbing the tower
Jaws reference and trying to use the oxygen tank to open the doors.
Rodney freaking out and John knowing that he would.
Katie talking about the how the cactus grows and Rodney coughing at that.
Rodney's hypochondria. Acting like he was infected when there was no outbreak anyway.

The Bad:
They made Zelenka look like an idiot when he said the tablet wouldn't work and then Carter magically made it work. And having him blow the crystals was just pointless. Could've had him done the same and not look stupid by having Carter agree that it was worth a try.
Ronon & Keller - Not interested in the slightest. Probably the most awkward pairing imaginable. Keller also is just plain self-centred and annoying. Atleast they explained how she got to CMO at her age so people can stop complaining that its impossible.
Teyla going out on the ledge was just completely pointless, waste of screen time that could've been used better.
Rodney being a complete ass to Katie. He's right, he isn't ready for marriage so I'm glad they had him realise that. Although I'm not sure if he and Katie are still together, they seem to have left it a little uncertain.
Have they really not had sex yet? How...traditional of them. I can imagine Rodney probably being nervous at the prospect (very possibly still a virgin), but I can't imagine him having any sort of belief that would exclude sex before marriage, unless Katie does of course.

Conclusion

A good episode with some solid character pieces. Somewhat marred by PTBs determination to get Ronon and Keller together and Rodney being a bit of an ass got old quite quickly. Bit of a drop on the quality of the season so far but the character moments more than make up for that.

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 06:54 AM
* Hot Zone all over again but without the outbreakSo your saying that everytime Atlantis goes into a lockdown that it is a copy of Hot Zone. That makes no sense, they were two completely different

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 06:57 AM
So your saying that everytime Atlantis goes into a lockdown that it is a copy of Hot Zone. That makes no sense, they were two completely different

I said it felt like Hot Zone but without the outbreak, which makes it different on some level.
I also said the constant problem - problem fixed reminded me of Adrift.
And the Atlantis OS going on the fritz felt like when one's computer freezes in the middle of business... There's nothing you do but unplug and reboot.

Tal-Galahad
January 19th, 2008, 07:14 AM
I said it felt like Hot Zone but without the outbreak, which makes it different on some level.
I also said the constant problem - problem fixed reminded me of Adrift.
And the Atlantis OS going on the fritz felt like when one's computer freezes in the middle of business... There's nothing you do but unplug and reboot.

I`m sorry but I don`t see the similarity. In fact, they never solved one of the real problems until the end, when Radek "rebooted" the City.

They were near to solving the problem of being quarantined but they never did it. Before they were able to a second problem appeared.

Also, the essential of the episode wasn`t the shutdown or the problems the team had to solve but the chara moments and the little details we occasionally don`t get to see during a high paced episode.

Overall, the episdoe wasn`t one of the best of the season but still enjoyable and definately not the worst ep. Actually I`m more worried about next weeks ep.

aaobuttons
January 19th, 2008, 07:19 AM
When I finished watching this episode with my husband last night I turned to him, shrugged my shoulders, and said "meh". It was interesting but nothing great. He looked at me with a confused look and said "but you laughed every two minutes, what do you mean meh?"

His comment confused me the rest of last night and this morning because he's right. I laughed alot, so why didn't I seem to enjoy it very much? After reading 7 pages of peoples comments, I think I've finally figued it out... Rodney and Katie. They were the OOC buzzkill that kept me from enjoying the episode. I liked the Ronon/Keller scenes, they were cute. I liked the Shep/Teyla scenes, they were sweet. I liked the Radek/Carter scenes, he was too funny. I liked the control room scenes, Lorne and Chuck are hard not to like.

All that being said, Rodney and Katie just brought it down for me. He wasn't acting like himself, more like himself x5, which I know was how it was supposed to be so that Katie could see the worst of him, but he's been in more dire situations without hope before and wasn't near that bad. And Katie... I must admit I've never been a fan of hers, too cookie cutter nice, but how hippie cheerypie mary poppins do you have to be to not be worried and concerned when you are trapped in a room probably going to die! She made no sense, and he was way over the top, and them combined just made me cringe when they were onscreen. I hope they are over, because if she takes him back after the way he acted, then she's the stupidest woman in the world.

ykickamoocow
January 19th, 2008, 07:22 AM
Did anyone else find Ronan's comment towards the end of the episode about McKay to be in very poor taste. McKay has saved Ronan's life on numerious occasions and for that reason alone Ronan should show McKay abit more respect.

ascendedancient42
January 19th, 2008, 07:33 AM
As you can see from my user name, I understand and revere 42. :cool:

I smiled big at that one.

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 07:35 AM
I`m sorry but I don`t see the similarity. In fact, they never solved one of the real problems until the end, when Radek "rebooted" the City.

That's good for you.


They were near to solving the problem of being quarantined but they never did it. Before they were able to a second problem appeared.

Sheppard fixed the problem with the beacon. Then the city goes into self-destruct mode of which they could only turn the alarm down. But these guys had been busy in the control room, working on the problem. They managed to get the airflow going again. So they fixed several problems, only to create more in the process.


Also, the essential of the episode wasn`t the shutdown or the problems the team had to solve but the chara moments and the little details we occasionally don`t get to see during a high paced episode.

Really... Character moments, in what way... they had the usual pair offs, instead of doing something different.

No, instead we get John & Teyla together, have some more awkwardness going between the two. Force the conversation along.

Ronon & Keller, provide us with awkward sexual tension we don't need, and show how smart Jennifer really is.

Radek and Carter in the transporter, well it wasn't Rodney... thank goddess for that. But it was Radek who had to make the mistake. Rather annoying, I have to say.

Rodney & Katie - Yeah, that was just embarising. TPTB must have thought it would be the only way to give Radek a chance to shine. Rodney cut off from radio and computer.

I think the gang in the control room looked to be the most interesting of them all. Not assuming the others would be working on it, and wait it out.

Character moments ... right, not in a gazillion years. I've seen better fanfic. And do know I rated this episode a B, so there must have been something I liked. Not quite sure, what is was again... Now, that I come to think of it.

Chailyn
January 19th, 2008, 07:45 AM
I think the gang in the control room looked to be the most interesting of them all. Not assuming the others would be working on it, and wait it out.

Heh...that's a good point. I think I'd like to see more from the control room with Lorne, Chuck, and new tech girl. You know they were probably flipping out trying to get that signal off and find their superior officers. And then Sheppard comes busting through a window and sets off the self-destruct, lol. Poor Lorne, his nerves were probably fried. :D

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Heh...that's a good point. I think I'd like to see more from the control room with Lorne, Chuck, and new tech girl. You know they were probably flipping out trying to get that signal off and find their superior officers. And then Sheppard comes busting through a window and sets off the self-destruct, lol. Poor Lorne, his nerves were probably fried. :D

Chuck looked about ready to jump a mile in the air when Sheppard busted through that window. :p

tombombadil
January 19th, 2008, 07:51 AM
i already made this thread last night
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=50548

marielabbott
January 19th, 2008, 07:52 AM
But who can blame him? I was waiting for Sam to unzip the jacket the whole time. Zelenka had a better view though.


As a woman who has been subjected to such leers, I can blame him. My respect for a guy plumets when he pulls a stunt like that (and guys, we're not oblivious and we do notice when your eyes stray), and if someone I supervised did that to me...well, there would be some immediate repercussions.

Klenotka
January 19th, 2008, 07:57 AM
OK, first thing - one thing that was really "amusing" - how they constantly yell and complain about Rodney but when something goes wrong, everyone is like "Rodney, are you there? We need help!" I mean seriously, it´s almost ridiculous, absurd even.
He would never act like he did here - lie down and wait for death. Not even Rodney would give up. It was good how they showed us how the lab is claustrophobic. But the hypochondria...come on, McKay is already over it. I am 100% sure that he will be different in next episode and then different in the other. Why can´t the writers make a deal and write McKay the SAME in every episode? Or to change him slowly? Oh, I forgot, they suck with writing characters.

Teyla climbing out of the window! Geez, what if the kid kicked when she stood outside? She would certainly fall down.

BUT, Radek saving the day! *beams with joy*

That said, I liked it but it started to be little slow episode until Chuck appeared :D So, I don´t know, pretty good, I think and big Radek´s episode.

So now only Czechs and Slovaks know that Atlantis conduits stink :D He had finally normal monologue without swearing and it was natural for him to talk in Czech. I loved it!

Now, can we please have at least ONE David Nykl´s promo photo? Pretty please?

Ruffles
January 19th, 2008, 08:16 AM
Calling a bontanist a wallflower...so punny.

:)

Morjana

Sorry. Couldn't resist.


They used Lorne's C4 to blow holes in the doors, they never climbed down. The dialogue confirm it ("We used the last of the C4..."). The problem was, they managed to ration it so they got down to Carter and Zelenka, but they had no more to keep going.

I believe the C4 was to blow through all the doors from the outside window to the power room which was in the center of the building. They had to climb down 6 floors to get to the right floor first.


Did anyone else find Ronan's comment towards the end of the episode about McKay to be in very poor taste. McKay has saved Ronan's life on numerious occasions and for that reason alone Ronan should show McKay abit more respect.

I actually thought it sounded perfectly in character. However, I think if Ronon had known the repercussions of McKay's hypochondria (losing Katie) he wouldn't have said it.


So now only Czechs and Slovaks know that Atlantis conduits stink :D He had finally normal monologue without swearing and it was natural for him to talk in Czech. I loved it!

I don't suppose we could talk you into providing a translation. *puppydog eyes* Please?

jckfan55
January 19th, 2008, 08:23 AM
I liked this one. Everyone got something to do. I loved that Zelenka saved the day. Carter was good in this one--she seemed like herself. I could have done with fewer minutes of Rodney hysteria. I liked Ronan & Keller trying to find a way to break out of the infirmary. Not sure why we had to go down the almost kissing route though.

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 08:35 AM
SGA S4, the place to promote cleavage and brassieres :P


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SierraGolf-OneNiner
January 19th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Just a few thoughts of mine about this episode:

The good:

- seeing finally after all these years the real Carter again even if it was for just a minute :sam:
- Radek saves the city and his czech mumbling in the vents.
- Katie finally saw McKay for who he is
- McKay's password
- Ronon opening up about himself to others
- Major Lorne and Chuck (it's always good to have these two around)

The bad:

- Keller's self pity and the possible future relationship with Ronon
- Radek staring at Carter's boobs (it was so unnescesary (sp?))
- Teyla climbing out of the window (I thought ... Oh this is how they're going to kill her. She falls to her death like Dr. Heightmeyer in her dream; I was screaming at Teyla for doing that)
- McKay being deevolved back to his Season 1 self. (Damn it. He came so far only to regress back) I blame it on bad writing as always

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 08:51 AM
First off, I don’t mind non-arc stories. I think that there’s more to these people's lives than just fighting wraith/replicators. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I haven’t read any other posts, yet; wanted to get my first thoughts out unaffected.

First time I’ve actually liked Dr. Keller, but I still hate Katie’s voice. Sigh.

Loved the amount of Czech Radek was spouting.

Glad that the problem wasn’t Rodney’s fault.

Loved John’s discomfort about the pregnancy, and his trepidation when Teyla had him feeling the baby kick. Looked like he was afraid he was going to snap her into pieces or something.

Ok. Don’t like heights. The climbing sequence had me gulping, and the jump made me squeak.

Liked Ronon opening up finally, but was a little surprised at the speed of it.

Loved that John remembered Rodney’s password and I was LOL when he kept going and going and going with the numbers. Liked the explanation and that he’s able to still use the MENSA intelligence.

Is Radek the new Siler? How many times now has he been zapped?

Oh, yeah, that Murphy’s law thing – consequences again. Fix one thing, it makes another problem. Very RL, that.

LOL – Sam Cleavage Alert! All SC ™ haters line up for screaming! Still no lower than that blue thing that Liz wore in S1. And Sam hitched it up.

Laughed when Katie was stroking the plant and Rodney started coughing.
Poor Rodney – the one person who could fix things quickly and he’s stuck without any means to do anything to help. And that’s one thing he can’t stand.

Darn. Ronon’s so cute when he’s trying to make someone else feel better. He looks about 15.

LOL – Shipper Alert! Ronon and Keller! I must admit I didn’t see this coming, but I’ll reserve judgement until I see where they’re going to go with it. After all, Ronon’s last love was medical personnel, too, so he has a history of liking the type. And they were bonding over being sorta outsiders.

Pigeons for lunch! Radek is a bit literal, isn’t he? LOL.

When John was climbing, I thought “oh, he’s going to slip”, and immediately that piece of whatever it was came apart under his hand. Can I call ’em or what?

Loved Keller’s line “Again, infirmary, not armory.”

Thought for a second that Teyla was going to be silly enough to try to climb – glad she gave up on that idea! Especially since she looked a little peaked through the whole ep.

Aw, Ronon being ‘strategy guy’. He looked so pleased with himself for his plan. Too bad the door was stronger than a shark. And what price John having shown him Jaws? I wonder if John’s dared to show him Star Wars yet.

Hm. Bit of a quick and easy solution – just power down. I guess it was another case of ‘taking a page from the John Sheppard book of computer repair’. But, then again, it does work. Reboot and all is forgiven. At least that’s the way it works on my computer. :).

Nice that Radek was allowed to be the one to fix things, and that he was included in the little team get-together at the end. And the looks on John and Teyla’s faces as they were teasing Ronon were priceless.

Rodney truly knows himself. I’m actually glad he backed out, but the expression on his face was ambiguous at the end. Was he regretting?

So, let’s see. Lots of bonding, tight story with no holes that I could see on first viewing. Excellent dialogue, fun repartee between the characters. The only time it was slow for me was in the Rodney scenes. I prefer him being snarky (in moderation ;)). So: 9.8/10.

Back to read 4 pages of comments, now. :o

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 08:58 AM
LOL – Sam Cleavage Alert! All SC ™ haters line up for screaming! Still no lower than that blue thing that Liz wore in S1. And Sam hitched it up.

Carter is (supposed to be) military. Elizabeth was a civilian.

And only after Radek had gotten a quick look inside, who got the balcony shuffed his face. Poor man ... or maybe not. Depends how you look at it.

KatG
January 19th, 2008, 09:00 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Lots of fun.

Carter and Zelenka were funny. Nice to see Sam doing her tech thing again, and they had a very nice banter going on. Loved the pigeon convo. :)

John and Teyla were sweet. The story about the police officer who worried about her kids was nice, loved that he told her that her baby would always have a family on Atlantis, and I thought his reaction when the baby kicked was so cute.

Ronan and Keller worked for me. I think they're adorable together. I wasn't really expecting that, but I liked it. And I must say Keller has mighty fine taste in men. ;)

I was cringing when John was climbing the ledge. Some very nice "oops" and "ack" moments there.

Only bad thing was Rodney. At first he was very sweet but then he became quite annoying. Thankfully Katie got to see him at his worst before she commited. Still, I'm wondering if we're selling Katie short. Did she agree with Rodney to save face or because she truly can't see herself stuck with him? It will be interesting to see if and how that plays out.

All in all, a nice hour spent.

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Carter is (supposed to be) military. Elizabeth was a civilian.

And only after Radek had gotten a quick look inside, who got the balcony shuffed his face. Poor man ... or maybe not. Depends how you look at it.


I would not say anything about that scene but TRIO has a similar one. Where is the love? :P

Klenotka
January 19th, 2008, 09:01 AM
I don't suppose we could talk you into providing a translation. *puppydog eyes* Please?

That's unbelieveable, I'm such a moron. He willl think I'm a complete idiot... Well, what else can I do... No, not this... I won't fit in here... ugh, that stinks... Jesus... Jesus, not this...

I guess there is also a translation from Pajus in Zelenka thunk thread. So you can choose :D

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 09:03 AM
I would not say anything about that scene but TRIO has a similar one. Where is the love? :P

Ask Radek, he might know now. :p

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Ask Radek, he might know now. :p


Soap operas over soap operas. Smeller with Conan, Radek has a biggie on Sam and Rodney scared Katie :P

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 09:05 AM
Soap operas over soap operas. Smeller with Conan, Radek has a biggie on Sam and Rodney scared Katie :P

Sounds like a hell of an episode .... on the soap opera scale anyway. :p

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Sounds like a hell of an episode .... on the soap opera scale anyway. :p

My prayers did not reach the big guy. SGA needs a big boom to turn things around and I thought Shep will take one for the team and fall :P.

kymeric
January 19th, 2008, 09:17 AM
Lol @ Radek and carters boobs! I woulda stared longer if i were him ^.^

Im disturbed that there are disease out there that warrant the entire city being locked down and then self distructed, sounds worse than a prior plague D:

Cactus thing was so funny i rewound to watch it again

Mckay had a pretty convincing break up, poor Roddy :(

And getting a bachelors degree in 3 years is nothing, i double majored in 4 and was drinking and carrying on every night with a 3.75, but especially since she did highschool by 15, i buy it.

Teylas expression after 42, she looked confused but like she kept thinking it over and over to try to 'get it' ^.^

edain
January 19th, 2008, 09:32 AM
As a woman who has been subjected to such leers, I can blame him. My respect for a guy plumets when he pulls a stunt like that (and guys, we're not oblivious and we do notice when your eyes stray), and if someone I supervised did that to me...well, there would be some immediate repercussions.

Not to become a pig or anything, but it's no secret what men think about constantly, and even if we have mastered control over our urges, sometimes we just can't help looking. It's not necessarily a bad thing, more of a compliment to your beauty.

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Not to become a pig or anything, but it's no secret what men think about constantly, and even if we have mastered control over our urges, sometimes we just can't help looking. It's not necessarily a bad thing, more of a compliment to your beauty.

My sister would kill you for it. :p

FireCat
January 19th, 2008, 09:35 AM
This whole episode would have been much better if our regs had been stuck in place, and most of the story revolved around the secondary characters (Lorne, Chuck, etc.) trying to deal with the issue. Too much time was spent back and forth with people who could do nothing and it would have been a nice change to see more of the "others".

The Keller and Ronon thing was bad. We lose Beckett for a whiny brat who is wrapped up in herself. Sorry you missed those parties and dates dear. *rolls eyes* Then TPTB have the nerve to romance Ronon with her. I can't see Ronon being remotely interested in such a useless girl. Please, can we have Beckett back and get rid of the primadonna MarySue! Its enough we've had to deal with Shep/Teyla, Shep/Weir, Shep/everything with boobs, and I'd rather have no more soap garbage here.

Zelenka rocked this week though!

Platschu
January 19th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Average episode. McKay was a totally disappointment for me. DH acted cool, but the whole character is a shame of man gender. :S

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Average episode. McKay was a totally disappointment for me. DH acted cool, but the whole character is a shame of man gender. :S

Platschu!! was that an anti-comment? :P

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 09:41 AM
\?* We lose Beckett for a whiny brat who is wrapped up in herself.?* Sorry you missed those parties and dates dear.!You do know that Beckett whinned when started off in S1 as CMO.

Platschu
January 19th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Almost an anti-comment. :P McKay was terrible, because the whole proposal was a shame. He acted like in season 1 and he made a great back step to season 1 McKay. :S But the other characters, especially Radek saved the episode. ;)

Lord batchi ball
January 19th, 2008, 09:42 AM
Not to become a pig or anything, but it's no secret what men think about constantly, and even if we have mastered control over our urges, sometimes we just can't help looking. It's not necessarily a bad thing, more of a compliment to your beauty.

Well my sig is what a mans brain really looks like. I'm a guy and when I found it I was like wow that is spot on.

rpmguitar
January 19th, 2008, 09:43 AM
Another very solid ep.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 09:45 AM
Well, last weeks ep absolutely knocked my socks off. This week, I knew the ep wouldn't have that much of an impact compared to last week, and i'm done comparing eps to be honest, it just got too hard. :lol:

Soooooooooooooo, I know you've all been dying to hear what I have to say. ;) So here goes.

I watched. And while it's not up there as one of my faves it had some really nice character moments, from Shep's overprtectiveness with Teyla to Zelenka and his pidgeons. Have I mentioned lately how much I love the continuity in season 4? As for the storyline, mmmmmmm, while it held my attention, I didn't feel as if I felt the peril, or the jeapordy if that makes sense. It was a nice character driven story with some lovely bonding scenes (well, except for Rodney) :lol:, but the story itself didn't have me on the edge of my seat.

I was a bit disappointed that Rodney seemed to go back to his old ways; hypochondriac, stressed out and couldn't give a stuff about anyone but himself. I'd definately agree with his own self assessment that he's not quite ready for marriage. I don't know, I guess i'm thinking aloud, but my spideysense is tingling with him at the moment. Something's defiately going on with him under the surface, not sure what it is yet.:S

While I loved the little moments everyone had and it was nice to see Zelenka saving the day. Hearing more about Keller and Ronon's past was a nice touch and it was nice to see a mix up of the team. I'm slowly getting used to Keller, it's only taken me a few months, but i'm just like British rail, I may be slow, but i'll get there in the end. As for the whump, you know you can never go wrong with whump, even if it's just baby whump, and by that I mean for Shep not for Teyla! ;)

I'm surprised actually that we seem to know more about Keller's past than Shep's, but hopefully that will be all done and dusted in Outcast.

I do like character stories, and I think we did learn quite a bit with everyone in this ep, and I like that, but sorry, it's unlikely to make my top ten out of all 4 seasons.

I'm kind of glad that Katie may be out the picture (closing the door, deeply symbolic. ;) ) Sorry, the character doesn't do much for me, sugar and spice and all things nice. I think to be honest I would have warmed to her more if she slapped Rodney upside the head in this ep, because he certainly needed it. :lol:

I liked spideyShep :D What can I say, i'm shallow, and there were some nice *cough*shots of him manouvering about the Tower. :) Some of the shots of the climb and the Tower aswell as the perspectives (like Carter and Radek in the lift looked good, and other bits, it did look a bit......

So for me, 7/10 because of the nice character moments, jokes and continuity. :D

Platschu
January 19th, 2008, 09:47 AM
I liked spideyShep :D
I think he played too much Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia. :lol:

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Carter is (supposed to be) military. Elizabeth was a civilian.

And only after Radek had gotten a quick look inside, who got the balcony shuffed his face. Poor man ... or maybe not. Depends how you look at it.

I can see where you're coming from, but to me their background is irrelevant. They are both currently head of Atlantis; IMO that's the only measure of appropriateness (is that a word? :o) of the attire. The fact that one's background is civilian and the other's is military matters not a whit to me. :shrug: :)
Anyway, just thought it was one of the many things in this ep that made me laugh.

gebtkd
January 19th, 2008, 09:49 AM
I think everyone is selling Rodney a little short here. Isn't it his worst fear that he cannot same the day and that everyone will die because he couldn't do anything, that fear would probably make him want to lie down and die. Also, in Sunday, he did say something to Katie that he was surprised that she liked him because when people really learn to know him they run away from him. I think Rodney's behavior was probably fuel by the fact that althought he thought he wanted to move to the next step with Katie, deep down he wasn't ready for it and the situation he was in only brought out more of his insecurities. I think he only propose to Katie because of what Jeannie told him in Miller's Crossing, she knew exactly which buttons to push to make him insecure about himself. And at the end, he probably really felt sick because althought it's not clear if they broke up, he just saw this as another failure he can attached to what he perceives as his ever growing list. Let's face it, among all the characters, Rodney is probably the one who has faced the most difficult situations. People tend to forget that Sheppard, Teyla & Ronon are all trained soldiers, however, Rodney never had such training, he has had to learn on the fly in the field and although there has been a lot of whinning, he has done pretty well for himself because let's face it some of the stuff he has seen and been through would have made a lot of people run back to earth quickly.

tombombadil
January 19th, 2008, 09:50 AM
I think he played too much Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia. :lol:

or maybe that old atari game where all you do is climb and dodge objects:D

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 09:53 AM
Well, last weeks ep absolutely knocked my socks off. This week, I knew the ep wouldn't have that much of an impact compared to last week, and i'm done comparing eps to be honest, it just got too hard. :lol:

Soooooooooooooo, I know you've all been dying to hear what I have to say. ;) So here goes.

I watched. And while it's not up there as one of my faves it had some really nice character moments, from Shep's overprtectiveness with Teyla to Zelenka and his pidgeons. Have I mentioned lately how much I love the continuity in season 4? As for the storyline, mmmmmmm, while it held my attention, I didn't feel as if I felt the peril, or the jeapordy if that makes sense. It was a nice character driven story with some lovely bonding scenes (well, except for Rodney) :lol:, but the story itself didn't have me on the edge of my seat.

I was a bit disappointed that Rodney seemed to go back to his old ways; hypochondriac, stressed out and couldn't give a stuff about anyone but himself. I'd definately agree with his own self assessment that he's not quite ready for marriage. I don't know, I guess i'm thinking aloud, but my spideysense is tingling with him at the moment. Something's defiately going on with him under the surface, not sure what it is yet.:S

While I loved the little moments everyone had and it was nice to see Zelenka saving the day. Hearing more about Keller and Ronon's past was a nice touch and it was nice to see a mix up of the team. I'm slowly getting used to Keller, it's only taken me a few months, but i'm just like British rail, I may be slow, but i'll get there in the end. As for the whump, you know you can never go wrong with whump, even if it's just baby whump, and by that I mean for Shep not for Teyla! ;)

I'm surprised actually that we seem to know more about Keller's past than Shep's, but hopefully that will be all done and dusted in Outcast.

I do like character stories, and I think we did learn quite a bit with everyone in this ep, and I like that, but sorry, it's unlikely to make my top ten out of all 4 seasons.

I'm kind of glad that Katie may be out the picture (closing the door, deeply symbolic. ;) ) Sorry, the character doesn't do much for me, sugar and spice and all things nice. I think to be honest I would have warmed to her more if she slapped Rodney upside the head in this ep, because he certainly needed it. :lol:

I liked spideyShep :D What can I say, i'm shallow, and there were some nice *cough*shots of him manouvering about the Tower. :) Some of the shots of the climb and the Tower aswell as the perspectives (like Carter and Radek in the lift looked good, and other bits, it did look a bit......

So for me, 7/10 because of the nice character moments, jokes and continuity. :D

Is this still the peace thread? :P

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 09:54 AM
Well, last weeks ep absolutely knocked my socks off. This week, I knew the ep wouldn't have that much of an impact compared to last week, and i'm done comparing eps to be honest, it just got too hard. :lol:?*Soooooooooooooo, I know you've all been dying to hear what I have to say. ;) So here goes. ?*I watched. And while it's not up there as one of my faves it had some really nice character moments, from Shep's overprtectiveness with Teyla to Zelenka and his pidgeons. Have I mentioned lately how much I love the continuity in season 4? As for the storyline, mmmmmmm,?* while it held my attention, I didn't feel as if I felt the peril, or the jeapordy if that makes sense. It was a nice character driven story with some lovely bonding scenes (well, except for Rodney) :lol:, but the story itself didn't have me on the edge of my seat. ?*?*I was a bit disappointed that Rodney seemed to go back to his old ways; hypochondriac, stressed out and couldn't give a stuff about anyone but himself. I'd definately agree with his own self assessment that he's not quite ready for marriage. I don't know, I guess i'm thinking aloud, but something's definately going on with him. Not quite sure what just yet, but my spideysense is tingling with him at the moment. Something's defiately going on with him under the surface, not sure what it is yet.:S?*While I loved the little moments everyone had and it was nice to see Zelenka saving the day. Hearing more about Keller and Ronon's past was a nice touch and it was nice to see a mix up of the team. I'm slowly getting used to Keller, it's only taken me a few months, but i'm just like British rail, I may be slow, but i'll get there in the end. As for the whump, you know you can never go wrong with whump, even if it's just baby whump, and by that I mean for Shep not for Teyla! ;) ?*I'm surprised actually that we seem to know more about Keller's past than Shep's, but hopefully that will be all done and dusted in Outcast. ?*I do like character stories, and I think we did learn quite a bit with everyone in this ep, and I like that, but sorry, it's unlikely to make my top ten out of all 4 seasons. ?*I'm kind of glad that Katie may be out the picture (closing the door, deeply symbolic. ;) ) Sorry, the character doesn't do much for me, sugar and spice and all things nice. I think to be honest I would have warmed to her more if she slapped Rodney upside the head in this ep, because he certainly needed it. :lol:?*I liked spideyShep :D What can I say, i'm shallow, and there were some nice *cough*shots of him manouvering about the Tower. :) Some of the shots of the climb and the Tower aswell as the perspectives (like Carter and Radek in the lift looked good, and other bits, it did look a bit...... So for me, 7/10 because of the nice character moments, jokes and continuity. :DAnd the novel continues. You are the shallowest of the shallow.:P:P. Yay, we can disagree Peg. I liked Katie Brown. I felt that she made Rodney look more human. I think the reason he was complainig in this episode was the fact that he was out of his element. He tends to worry when other people have to save him (Grace Under Pressure, anyone.) ?*

s09119
January 19th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I like Keller; a lot of really smart kids I knew during freshman year of high school never got to experience a social life, and it ate at them terribly. Keller emobides this perfectly, the genius who always feels left out in the cold due to her intellect. I think she did fine, and Ronin always seems to have a thing for the "softer" side of people, despite his very "hard" exterior.

marielabbott
January 19th, 2008, 10:08 AM
Not to become a pig or anything, but it's no secret what men think about constantly, and even if we have mastered control over our urges, sometimes we just can't help looking. It's not necessarily a bad thing, more of a compliment to your beauty.

You put that nicely. :) I realize what men think about constantly, but I also think highly enough of men to think they are able to command self-control. I simply don't like leering. It can be pretty nasty when you're subjected to it and I didn't like Radek's glance being played for comedic effect in that scene.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 10:13 AM
I think everyone is selling Rodney a little short here. Isn't it his worst fear that he cannot same the day and that everyone will die because he couldn't do anything, that fear would probably make him want to lie down and die. Also, in Sunday, he did say something to Katie that he was surprised that she liked him because when people really learn to know him they run away from him. I think Rodney's behavior was probably fuel by the fact that althought he thought he wanted to move to the next step with Katie, deep down he wasn't ready for it and the situation he was in only brought out more of his insecurities. I think he only propose to Katie because of what Jeannie told him in Miller's Crossing, she knew exactly which buttons to push to make him insecure about himself. And at the end, he probably really felt sick because althought it's not clear if they broke up, he just saw this as another failure he can attached to what he perceives as his ever growing list. Let's face it, among all the characters, Rodney is probably the one who has faced the most difficult situations. People tend to forget that Sheppard, Teyla & Ronon are all trained soldiers, however, Rodney never had such training, he has had to learn on the fly in the field and although there has been a lot of whinning, he has done pretty well for himself because let's face it some of the stuff he has seen and been through would have made a lot of people run back to earth quickly.

I think you made some good points there, and we know Rodney's a hypochondriac, but I don't know, he just seemed more hypochondriacy (my new word :P) than normal. I think you might be right about the marriage thing, and that Jeannie influenced him somewhat, but, I don't know, something's just not quite right with him at the moment, and we're getting lots of 'cluey type of things' in the eps to suggest somethings going to happen, I just wish I knew what. :lol: I do think sometimes his insecurities make him revert back to his old ways though.


I think he played too much Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia. :lol:


or maybe that old atari game where all you do is climb and dodge objects:D

Or donkey kong. :P


Is this still the peace thread? :P

No babe, go for your life. :D


And the novel continues. You are the shallowest of the shallow.:P:P. Yay, we can disagree Peg. I liked Katie Brown. I felt that she made Rodney look more human. I think the reason he was complainig in this episode was the fact that he was out of his element. He tends to worry when other people have to save him (Grace Under Pressure, anyone.) ?*

Me, a novel length post? :eek: Surely not. *adjusts her halo* See isn't it purty shining so brightly. :D

We're going to disagree JEL??!! Goodness me, I might have to sit down for this. ;) You like Katie? Sweet innocent Katie. BUT BUT BUT she's too sugary babe, I thought you liked the feisty ones? I just wished she'd have slapped him upside the head to be honest :lol: I don't think i'd have been able to resist. :P She's, I don't know got no sparkle, I like characters with flaws and little foiables and I guess she's too nice, if that's possible. I know he's used to being the one to save the day, so it was probably a bit of a blow to his ego, but I don't know, we've seen him in worse situations than that, and he's said it himself, he thinks better under the threat of certain death. And he really didn't know that the self destruct was off, and yet he just lay there wallowing. And it wasn't his normal wallowing either.
:(

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 10:19 AM
No babe, go for your life. :D

I'm going but dunno how long I'll be gone :P.

*****Gets dressed, opens door, leaves :P....****



P.S: So you hate Ms. Brown, eh? Shame on you! Go to your room!:P:P:P. I don't see anyone else loving Rodney except Katie. Ms. Brown has a rare personality and girls like her are scarce nowadays. Larrin is simply vulgar, whereas Katie, down to earth, special, and accepts a man for his faults. She wanted to say yes today :P.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:24 AM
I've seen all Keller's episodes, and all I see is a self-conscious, spineless, whining, tactless, incompetent doctor, who never seems to have the ability to actually SAVE someone. But at least she can do stitches! Wow, I'm impressed. ;)

I really don't think we have seen the same show as that is not the Keller I have seen.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Jewel must absolutely cringe when she's handed her scripts. Seriously, how can you feel any kind of empathy for such a self centred, "oh woe is me" kind of character.

First with Teyla, now with Ronon.

I can't for the life of me understand how TPTB thought that this character was a good idea.

I like Jewel, but Keller --- OMG. Someone feed her to the wraith, for crying out loud.
That is not the character that I have seen. The Keller I have seen is a great doctor that wasnt ready for this but has grown since her arival.

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 10:27 AM
That is not the character that I have seen. The Keller I have seen is a great doctor that wasnt ready for this but has grown since her arival.

Is it because she wears higher heels now? :P

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 10:30 AM
I'm going but dunno how long I'll be gone :P.

*****Gets dressed, opens door, leaves :P....****



P.S: So you hate Ms. Brown, eh? Shame on you! Go to your room!:P:P:P. I don't see anyone else loving Rodney except Katie. Ms. Brown has a rare personality and girls like her are scarce nowadays. Larrin is simply vulgar, whereas Katie, down to earth, special, and accepts a man for his faults. She wanted to say yes today :P.

:eek: Inte!! People will talk, you could have just left quietly you know. Pro and Anti together, goodness me there'll be a scandal and everything. ;)

I know i'm a bad fan. ;) I don't hate any character, I tolerate her, and she's ok and watchable, but I don't know, maybe it's because she's a girly girl. She needs to do something, get angry, raise her voice, get snarky (well she's been around Rodney long enough to do it perfectly.) And to be honest Rodney didn't care at all about her, or didn't seem to. After the way he behaved, i'd have at least thrown the plant in his vicinity and pretended I was aiming for the door. ;)

I know she was going to say 'yes' she lit up like a little firecracker, bless her, and yes opposites do attract. I just think that will be the last we'll see of them 'together' so to speak. I would hav thought she would have been aware of his faults and flaws, so I don't think there was anything she hadn't seen before. And didn't she say early on that she knew what Rodney was like. So what changed?

Oh Inte, found a potential plot hole for you. When Rodney and Keller were doing their Oxygen tank running amok thing, it didn't work, and they tried to open the door and zilch, but when Shep and Lorne opened the lift it worked. Magic! :D

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 10:30 AM
?*Me, a novel length post? :eek: Surely not. *adjusts her halo* See isn't it purty shining so brightly. :D?*All I see are flames coming out of your pitchfork
We're going to disagree JEL??!! Goodness me, I might have to sit down for this. ;) You like Katie? Sweet innocent Katie. BUT BUT BUT she's too sugary babe, I thought you liked the feisty ones?Where did you get thay?:S
I just wished she'd have slapped him upside the head to be honest :lol: I don't think i'd have been able to resist. :P She's, I don't know got no sparkle, I like characters with flaws and little foiables and I guess she's too nice, if that's possible.Whats the saying,?* opposites attract?*
I know he's used to being the one to save the day, so it was probably a bit of a blow to his ego, but I don't know, we've seen him in worse situations than that, and he's said it himself, he thinks better under the threat of certain death. And he really didn't know that the self destruct was off, and yet he just lay there wallowing. And it wasn't his normal wallowing either.There was nothing he could do. He doesn't like to rely on others to save day. Thats what happens when your an arrogant (you must have some experence with that:D) person. I've seen more whining out of McKay in some the S2 and S1 episodes.P.S. The reason you like flawed characters is because you have many many many flaws

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:33 AM
This episode is a hilarious one, major character developments there, I love how they all interact differently to the situation, at one point, everybody all hoping the other would be working on the situation. Zelenka staring down at Carter's breasts and getting semi-fried by the transporter's control panel, Sheppard remembering McKay's big ass passcode! Rodney going all hypertensive, LOL All good.
Agreed. Those were great scenes and very funny.


Personally, I love seeing Atlantis go into lockdown mode and the alarm being broadcasted throughout the city and the bit where the bulkhead slammed down sealing off McKay's office from rest of the city was really cool. I also love the scene where you see McKay trying to open the door with a small spade, HA HA!
I LMAO in that scene.


Sheppard has really matured when you can tell he is willing to take responsibility for Teyla and her baby and with that, use that courage to climb up 4 floors outside, god, he has such strong upper-body strength!
I've always liked Shep but you can tell he really cares for Teyla in this one.


Ronan and Keller, well who knew!
I hope they explore that more I loved that.



Unfortunately, it's a pity that McKay didn't get engaged to Katie Brown and the "bye" had such finality, I doubt Katie would ever want to see him ever again cos, she obviously wanted to get married to him and McKay being a typical dumb guy (socially), decided to go on the whole, "I'm not ready" speech when in actual fact, he is ready. Marriage is what I regard the bond for life despite any shortcomings as your partner is there to make you stronger.
Agreed. He knew he screwed up and was kicking himself and as he left he knew he blew it. I too hated that they didn't get engaged though if he did he'd have been a different character. I hope they are still together, however I doubt they are.


Brilliant episode! 10/10
It was a great one but most SGA eps are.



EDIT: To those complaining about Keller, if one gets a Bachelor Degree before voting age (18 years old??) that says something and unfortunately for many brain-whizz kids in the real world, social-inhibitions does occur so back off already! Ronan obviously likes her cos of her ability to do her duty and he can appreciate that as he was a leader of his military group, plus she reminds him of his dead girlfriend.
My thoughts exactly.

edain
January 19th, 2008, 10:34 AM
You put that nicely. :) I realize what men think about constantly, but I also think highly enough of men to think they are able to command self-control. I simply don't like leering. It can be pretty nasty when you're subjected to it and I didn't like Radek's glance being played for comedic effect in that scene.


I'm glad everyone is not biting my head off for that. To be honest I half expected it.

As a red blooded southern male, the first thing I do is look at the figure of a woman, because despite what everyone says physical appearance is at least 70 percent of initial attraction; and ladies, you are just as guilty as the guys are. While I catch a quick glimpse of an attractive lady, I immediately look to her eyes, because they are the 2nd part of the initial attraction. Personality comes later. I am not one to jeer intentionally; sometimes some women are just so good looking you can't help but stay locked longer than the usual fraction of a second.

Needless to say, sometimes I have lost control before. But it wasn't my fault, I blame it purely on the alcohol.

Dr Keller is a good example. I think she's a very beautiful lady and would instantly notice her and her figure if I saw her in person. I'm pretty sure that Ronin did too. He is a hulking neanderthal, what would you expect?

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Is it because she wears higher heels now? :P

:lol: No her character truly has grown IMHO.

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 10:52 AM
You put that nicely. :) I realize what men think about constantly, but I also think highly enough of men to think they are able to command self-control. I simply don't like leering. It can be pretty nasty when you're subjected to it and I didn't like Radek's glance being played for comedic effect in that scene.

Interestingly enough, I didn't really see any leering in that scene. IIRC, Radek turned back toward Sam just as she took off her jacket (and whoever decided that streeeetchy knit was a good idea for shirts?), he got a bit of an accidental eyeful and immediately, as a gentleman would, averted his gaze.

When it was on, my first thought was "oops, bad timing" and the second was "aw, Radek, how sweet". Eye of the beholder, I guess. :);)

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Interestingly enough, I didn't really see any leering in that scene. IIRC, Radek turned back toward Sam just as she took off her jacket (and whoever decided that streeeetchy knit was a good idea for shirts?), he got a bit of an accidental eyeful and immediately, as a gentleman would, averted his gaze.

When it was on, my first thought was "oops, bad timing" and the second was "aw, Radek, how sweet". Eye of the beholder, I guess. :);)

That's how I saw it too. I didn't see it as intenional leering.

CommanderThor11
January 19th, 2008, 10:54 AM
about the episode being a repeat...


maybe from tabula rasa or hot zone? it wasnt an sg1 i
dont think

Don't know if anyone has answered this question and im sure im gonna get redded at the a** for this but...

DS9 did this episode almost the exact same way. the cardassians left a protocol to lock down the station in the event of something and they had to get ducat to come in and stop, and he couldn't even do that... peril... different pairings of characters trapped in the station

cisco even had to crawl through vents to get to something (could have been power room, don't remember its been a while)

don't hurt me...

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 10:57 AM
I don't hate any character, I tolerate her, and she's ok and watchable, but I don't know, maybe it's because she's a girly girl. She needs to do something, get angry, raise her voice, get snarky (well she's been around Rodney long enough to do it perfectly.) And to be honest Rodney didn't care at all about her, or didn't seem to. After the way he behaved, i'd have at least thrown the plant in his vicinity and pretended I was aiming for the door. ;)



Agreed. They never really did anything with Katie other than just make her some 'saccharine' to sweeten Rodney. Pity. If she'd had more gumption maybe I'd me more unhappy about it, but as it stands, I'm completely indifferent as to whether she's around or not.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 10:58 AM
about the episode being a repeat...



Don't know if anyone has answered this question and im sure im gonna get redded at the a** for this but...

DS9 did this episode almost the exact same way. the cardassians left a protocol to lock down the station in the event of something and they had to get ducat to come in and stop, and he couldn't even do that... peril... different pairings of characters trapped in the station

cisco even had to crawl through vents to get to something (could have been power room, don't remember its been a while)

don't hurt me...
I remember that. But that doesnt matter IMO. I hate comparing one series to another as alot of shows do similar plots because pretty much everything has been done before especially in scifi. What matters to me is if TPTB can take a similar idea and make it unique to the show. The did IMO.

CommanderThor11
January 19th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I remember that. But that doesnt matter IMO. I hate comparing one series to another as alot of shows do similar plots because pretty much everything has been done before especially in scifi. What matters to me is if TPTB can take a similar idea and make it unique to the show. The did IMO.

i don't like to do it either, but it was mentioned, and that was the only thing i could say could be construed as a repeat. nothing like this was ever really done in the SG universe to my knowledge

silkie
January 19th, 2008, 11:01 AM
I remember that. But that doesnt matter IMO. I hate comparing one series to another as alot of shows do similar plots because pretty much everything has been done before especially in scifi. What matters to me is if TPTB can take a similar idea and make it unique to the show. The did IMO.

Or because TPTB are lazy to come up with something original. Like I said before Quarantine= a filler episode...

marielabbott
January 19th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Interestingly enough, I didn't really see any leering in that scene. IIRC, Radek turned back toward Sam just as she took off her jacket (and whoever decided that streeeetchy knit was a good idea for shirts?), he got a bit of an accidental eyeful and immediately, as a gentleman would, averted his gaze.

When it was on, my first thought was "oops, bad timing" and the second was "aw, Radek, how sweet". Eye of the beholder, I guess. :);)


Eye of the beholder *groan* :p :). I can agree to disagree, I just don't like that type of humor and wish they'd left that bit out. Maybe have Radek ramble on about his pidgeons more instead. :)

Mathemagician
January 19th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Any character with Keller's soul and spirit is bound to have more social aptitude than any of you guys attacking her for this episode. Seriously. It feels like you're just dumping off your personal emotional waste in this forum/thread. Nuff said.

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 11:11 AM
Oh Inte, found a potential plot hole for you. When Rodney and Keller were doing their Oxygen tank running amok thing, it didn't work, and they tried to open the door and zilch, but when Shep and Lorne opened the lift it worked. Magic! :D

As Ronon adequately put it: The door is stronger than the Shark, or something like that :P. Come one Peggy, you knew Sheppard had to save the day. I think his boot thrown at the door would have had the same effect as the C4. I stand corrected. Had he thrown his boot, the tower would have suffered structural damage. Do not underestimate the power of the Gel :P. So you were the one sending letters to TPTB to get rid of Katie. Oh well, you did it, she won't bother us anymore :P.

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 11:11 AM
about the episode being a repeat...



Don't know if anyone has answered this question and im sure im gonna get redded at the a** for this but...

DS9 did this episode almost the exact same way. the cardassians left a protocol to lock down the station in the event of something and they had to get ducat to come in and stop, and he couldn't even do that... peril... different pairings of characters trapped in the station

cisco even had to crawl through vents to get to something (could have been power room, don't remember its been a while)

don't hurt me...


I'm not going to hurt you :), but I can say that since I:

1. Didn't watch DS9
2. Haven't seen Firefly (did see Serenity)
3. Didn't watch Farscape
4. Don't watch BSG (loved the original series, only made it through part 2 of the miniseries that started this incarnation)
5. Did watch B5, MacGyver, and SG-1

I really never see the point in bringing up comparisons.

When comments were made about 'This Mortal Coil' being a copy of SG-1's 'Tin Man', I flashed back to watching SG-1's 'Tin Man' for the first time and thinking then that 'Tin Man' was Andre Norton's book 'Android at Arms' redux. When "The Long Goodbye" was shown, for me it was a mix of ST:TOS "Return to Tomorrow" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield". But again, for both of them, it was a nice twist and I enjoyed the episodes anyway. Also, IMHO, one plot point in common does not a copy make. ;)

But my real point is, I guess, that I don't need to compare. Even when things are similar, I like to see the different treatments that new writers give an old idea.

Besides, Mission Impossible had Cinnamon crawling through ventilation shafts. Does that mean that DS9 copied from MI? :(

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Eye of the beholder *groan* :p :). I can agree to disagree, I just don't like that type of humor and wish they'd left that bit out. Maybe have Radek ramble on about his pidgeons more instead. :)

Sorry, couldn't resist that one; wondered if it would be picked up ;)
Agree to disagree, indeed, since I thought it was cute.
And polite disagreement is AOK in my book. Thanks. :)

sueKay
January 19th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Any character with Keller's soul and spirit is bound to have more social aptitude than any of you guys attacking her for this episode. Seriously. It feels like you're just dumping off your personal emotional waste in this forum/thread. Nuff said.

Soul and Spirit?

LMAO!

Are you serious? This is a TV show...Keller's barely had half an hour of screentime and you think you've seen her soul?

Scuse me while I go chuckle some more...

sueKay
January 19th, 2008, 11:22 AM
Episode gets a huge thumbs down for me

What I liked?
Sheppard and Teyla, and Carter and Zelenka


ZELENKA FTW!!!


Everything else sucked...sorely disappointed

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Episode gets a huge thumbs down for me

What I liked?
Sheppard and Teyla, and Carter and Zelenka


ZELENKA FTW!!!


Everything else sucked...sorely disappointed

So you hated the Jaws joke? :P

sueKay
January 19th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Don't like Jaws

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Don't like Jaws

You don't like man's best friend :P? I think the whole point of that was to show that Ronon has an interest in Earth culture :P. That is why I found it funny :P.

Jumper_One
January 19th, 2008, 11:27 AM
this ep was hilarious, (probably the funniest this season although Trio looks very promising), from Shep's 'second base?' to his 'McKay would love this'. ok so everybody's seperated because Atlantis thinks there's a disease. new planet, new circumstances, fine by me

Rodney and Katie (who btw doesn't die :rolleyes:) is a nice pairing, everything that happens was to be expected imo. she's trying to be positive and he's freaking out. Shep and Teyla is also pretty straight forward (lol I remember his comment about pregnant women in the movies :P). Sam and Zelenka are stuck in one of the elevators so they can't really do anything except hope somebody else gets them outta there. oh and Radek likes birds, hm little surprise. Carter's comment about the pigeons somehow reminded me of O'Neill. anyway the only character development we get is with Ronon and Keller, especially the stuff about her past. so they shut down the beacon and stop the selfdestruct (way to go Zelenka!) and everything's fine

I can't possibly list all the highlights because there were just so many. anyway this was a fun ep and I'm looking forward to Harmony

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 11:37 AM
People tend to forget that Sheppard, Teyla & Ronon are all trained soldiers...

And you seem to forget Teyla isn't a soldier. She's the leader of the Athosians, yes. She can kick some serious butt, yes. She has lived in the shadow of the Wraith all her life, yes. But she's not a soldier.


Is it because she wears higher heels now? :P

:lol:


...Katie (who btw doesn't die :rolleyes:)

Lost 10 stinky socks in that bet. :p


Oh and Radek likes birds, hm little surprise.

Which we already knew from Echoes.

KatG
January 19th, 2008, 11:37 AM
You do know that Beckett whinned when started off in S1 as CMO.

Ah yes. How soon they forget. ;)

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 11:40 AM
So you hated the Jaws joke? :P

I LOVED the Jaws joke myself - and it made me wonder if Ronon has been shown Star Wars, yet? :) And what else he's been shown. Alien? ;)

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 11:42 AM
Alien? ;)

Already seen that, was mentioned in Doppelganger.

Edit: No, don't know but he does make a mention of it. Not sure if he's actually seen it.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 11:45 AM
Or because TPTB are lazy to come up with something original. Like I said before Quarantine= a filler episode...

It may be a filler ep but I disagree on your view of TPTB.

Mitchell82
January 19th, 2008, 11:47 AM
Soul and Spirit?

LMAO!

Are you serious? This is a TV show...Keller's barely had half an hour of screentime and you think you've seen her soul?

Scuse me while I go chuckle some more...

She has had alot more screentime than that and she does have plenty of soul and spirit.

Jumper_One
January 19th, 2008, 11:49 AM
Which we already knew from Echoes.

ok so I forgot about that

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 11:51 AM
ok so I forgot about that

If you want to know when... It's when they're discussing why the whales are acting the way they are. Radek mentiones something about his pigeon-races and Rodney makes the comment ... "I too see trouble on the horizon." ...To which John answers, "Just like a pigeon.".

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 11:52 AM
Already seen that, was mentioned in Doppelganger.

Edit: No, don't know but he does make a mention of it. Not sure if he's actually seen it.

No, he hadn't. I believe the last statement by him was something to the effect of "I've GOT to see that movie." :)

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 11:52 AM
No, he hadn't. I believe the last statement by him was something to the effect of "I've GOT to see that movie." :)

Right, yes... Now, I remember. :)

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 12:06 PM
?*All I see are flames coming out of your pitchforkWhere did you get thay?:SWhats the saying,?* opposites attract?*There was nothing he could do. He doesn't like to rely on others to save day. Thats what happens when your an arrogant (you must have some experence with that:D) person. I've seen more whining out of McKay in some the S2 and S1 episodes.P.S. The reason you like flawed characters is because you have many many many flaws

Don't get cheeky Leave that to me :P

Sorry babe I mistook you for Inte. :D Oh I know opposites attract, and I think she did calm him down a lot. I don't know, if someone was asking to marry me, had the ring, was about to propose then all of a sudden something happened that could have ended both their lives... I would have thought it would make you want to put that ring on the person's finger quicker than jackflash. :lol:

I have lots of flaws and each one is adorable and quirky, just like me. :D


I'm glad everyone is not biting my head off for that. To be honest I half expected it.

As a red blooded southern male, the first thing I do is look at the figure of a woman, because despite what everyone says physical appearance is at least 70 percent of initial attraction; and ladies, you are just as guilty as the guys are. While I catch a quick glimpse of an attractive lady, I immediately look to her eyes, because they are the 2nd part of the initial attraction. Personality comes later. I am not one to jeer intentionally; sometimes some women are just so good looking you can't help but stay locked longer than the usual fraction of a second.

Needless to say, sometimes I have lost control before. But it wasn't my fault, I blame it purely on the alcohol.

Dr Keller is a good example. I think she's a very beautiful lady and would instantly notice her and her figure if I saw her in person. I'm pretty sure that Ronin did too. He is a hulking neanderthal, what would you expect?

Don't get the boys started :lol: it doesn't take them long to open up another body thread. ;)


Agreed. They never really did anything with Katie other than just make her some 'saccharine' to sweeten Rodney. Pity. If she'd had more gumption maybe I'd me more unhappy about it, but as it stands, I'm completely indifferent as to whether she's around or not.


I'm with you. Here was the perfect opportunity for her to show a bit of 'gumption' and she obviously cares for him, but maybe not enough to fight for the relationship. When Rodney gave her one last look after she said g'bye, he knew it was over. Bless his little cotton socks, he needed a good hug and yet for Katie, all I thought was meh! :lol:


As Ronon adequately put it: The door is stronger than the Shark, or something like that :P. Come one Peggy, you knew Sheppard had to save the day. I think his boot thrown at the door would have had the same effect as the C4. I stand corrected. Had he thrown his boot, the tower would have suffered structural damage. Do not underestimate the power of the Gel :P. So you were the one sending letters to TPTB to get rid of Katie. Oh well, you did it, she won't bother us anymore :P.

Ah but this time it was Radek that saved the day. :D Did you notice at the end, he wanted to gloat about it to Rodney :lol:

I don't dislike Katie, she's just to ummmmm average for me. That's about the nicest thing I can say about her. She's good for Rodney, but alas she doesn't do anything for me. :P I like quirky, I like people with flaws, who aren't black and white, who have a bit of character and I just don't see it with her i'm afraid. Now FRAN in the few minutes she was on screen, I liked! She'd be good for Rodney. ;)

I know i've been a bit harsh on this ep, but I did enjoy the character stuff it gave us, and I loved the jokes (thought Shep remembering Rodney's password adn the password itself was fab) Loved Radek and his pidgeons, that was just too cute, and Sam's imitation of one. :lol: And Ronon and his film trivia. And I absolutely adored the Shep and Teyla scenes, so sweet, it made me squee a little, and i'm not even a shipper. It was just the look fo horror on his face. :lol: SO still lots I really enjoyed :D

bossluna
January 19th, 2008, 12:10 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. it made me laugh out loud in so many places. i found a new fave character in Radek. i got to see Science Sam again. I've grown fond of Teyla and John's relationship. I can actually picture Keller and Ronon together after last night. And there was heartbreak when Katie and Rodney didn't get engaged.

There were a bunch of funny scenes in this episode:
-the whole transporter scene between Carter and Zelenka. so much comedy in such a small space. Sam picking up Radek's computer and turning it on only to reveal a huge pigeon screensaver. LOL! It was so unexpected that i really did laugh out loud at that. And then there's the Zelenka reaction to Carter taking her jacket off oblivious to the fact that she had just flashed some cleavage so intent was her focus on the problem at hand. Carter, woman, you just don't know the effect you have on men do you? And the whole "pigeon talk" when Carter tries to take Zelenka's mind off of his self-flagellation and lighten the mood but fails miserably. "We could sure use one of your pigeons right about now." "But they're not for eating." "No, I mean for homing pigeons...sos..to send for help. .." "But there are no windows." And Carter gives him this "hookay, nevermind..." look. lol

-in Rodney's lab, John tells Teyla that in the movies usually when a pregnant woman's stuck in a room the woman goes into labor..so when Teyla's baby kicks, there's a look of panic on John's face. And john cracking rodney's password. loved it!

-Katie getting all excited about Rodney's phalangial plant that's grown quite a bit since "Tabula Rasa." She tells him "I just gave it some extra TLC and it grew and grew..." all the while making these hand gestures near the plant and Rodney kinda swallows at the thoughts her actions are conjuring up in that imagination of his.

All in all funny episode. Got to know Radek a lot more. When he volunteered to go in the vent that took everyone by surprise. I'm not sure why. I'm thinking he's a reluctant hero. I'll have to watch those episodes that pajus listed for me since this is my first season of Atlantis. But it seems like Carter was the only one who had more faith in him than the others and maybe even more than he did in himself. So in the end when Carter turned to him and gave him one of her special Carter smiles and put her hand on his shoulder and said, "Everyone on this base owes you a debt of gratitude for saving our lives..." he had this huge smile on his face and that made me go "Yeah! Radek! You did it! Go on wit yo bad self!" It's not everyday that your boss praises you in front of your peers. too bad mckay wasn't there to see it. but then it would've ruined the moment a bit. it was really radek's moment to shine.

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 12:21 PM
Don't get cheeky Leave that to me :P
And I absolutely adored the Shep and Teyla scenes, so sweet, it made me squee a little, and i'm not even a shipper. It was just the look fo horror on his face. :lol: SO still lots I really enjoyed :D

Yeah. That made me :D And when she put his hand on her belly, it looked to me as if he was afraid he was going to break something. Very sweet. I'm not much on shipping - if done right, it can be great, but most times it doesn't work well - but I do like their closeness. Nice that Shep actually has some 'family' now. I think it's something he's really missed.


i found a new fave character in Radek.

It's not everyday that your boss praises you in front of your peers. too bad mckay wasn't there to see it. but then it would've ruined the moment a bit. it was really radek's moment to shine.

Indeed. Radek's been a fave of mine for a long time. Here's hoping he sticks around!

Admiral Mappalazarou
January 19th, 2008, 12:21 PM
I really liked this ep. :cameron: It was different to the others and thats why I liked it;

- The single motivation for Shepherd to climb out of the window and climb the tower is because 'Batman used to do it all the time'.
- Raddick falling straight down, through an air vent face-first into the control room was ace
- McKay's password was brilliant
- I liked Shepherd's talk to Teyla at the beginning about how the pregnant girl always enters labour in 'these movies'

Liked this episode. Liked it a lot. :cameron:

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 12:28 PM
Yeah. That made me :D And when she put his hand on her belly, it looked to me as if he was afraid he was going to break something. Very sweet. I'm not much on shipping - if done right, it can be great, but most times it doesn't work well - but I do like their closeness. Nice that Shep actually has some 'family' now. I think it's something he's really missed.

Indeed. Radek's been a fave of mine for a long time. Here's hoping he sticks around!

:lol: So funny, and what was really sweet was that scene was one more confirmation of how much they've all bonded together. Shep tellin Teyla that if anything happened to her, that her baby would always have a family in Atlantis. :sheppardanime32: had me all snuffly. *wipes her nose on her sleeve* Great scene, I think Radek's really coming into his own now, and for once he got to be the hero. :P


I really liked this ep. :cameron: It was different to the others and thats why I liked it;

- The single motivation for Shepherd to climb out of the window and climb the tower is because 'Batman used to do it all the time'.
- Raddick falling straight down, through an air vent face-first into the control room was ace
- McKay's password was brilliant
- I liked Shepherd's talk to Teyla at the beginning about how the pregnant girl always enters labour in 'these movies'

Liked this episode. Liked it a lot. :cameron:

*snort* I loved that bit. :D It's just a boy thing. :lol:

toomanysides
January 19th, 2008, 12:42 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. it made me laugh out loud in so many places. i found a new fave character in Radek. i got to see Science Sam again. I've grown fond of Teyla and John's relationship. I can actually picture Keller and Ronon together after last night. And there was heartbreak when Katie and Rodney didn't get engaged.

There were a bunch of funny scenes in this episode:
-the whole transporter scene between Carter and Zelenka. so much comedy in such a small space. Sam picking up Radek's computer and turning it on only to reveal a huge pigeon screensaver. LOL! It was so unexpected that i really did laugh out loud at that. And then there's the Zelenka reaction to Carter taking her jacket off oblivious to the fact that she had just flashed some cleavage so intent was her focus on the problem at hand. Carter, woman, you just don't know the effect you have on men do you? And the whole "pigeon talk" when Carter tries to take Zelenka's mind off of his self-flagellation and lighten the mood but fails miserably. "We could sure use one of your pigeons right about now." "But they're not for eating." "No, I mean for homing pigeons...sos..to send for help. .." "But there are no windows." And Carter gives him this "hookay, nevermind..." look. lol

-in Rodney's lab, John tells Teyla that in the movies usually when a pregnant woman's stuck in a room the woman goes into labor..so when Teyla's baby kicks, there's a look of panic on John's face. And john cracking rodney's password. loved it!

-Katie getting all excited about Rodney's phalangial plant that's grown quite a bit since "Tabula Rasa." She tells him "I just gave it some extra TLC and it grew and grew..." all the while making these hand gestures near the plant and Rodney kinda swallows at the thoughts her actions are conjuring up in that imagination of his.

All in all funny episode. Got to know Radek a lot more. When he volunteered to go in the vent that took everyone by surprise. I'm not sure why. I'm thinking he's a reluctant hero. I'll have to watch those episodes that Plasu listed for me since this is my first season of Atlantis. But it seems like Carter was the only one who had more faith in him than the others and maybe even more than he did in himself. So in the end when Carter turned to him and gave him one of her special Carter smiles and put her hand on his shoulder and said, "Everyone on this base owes you a debt of gratitude for saving our lives..." he had this huge smile on his face and that made me go "Yeah! Radek! You did it! Go on wit yo bad self!" It's not everyday that your boss praises you in front of your peers. too bad mckay wasn't there to see it. but then it would've ruined the moment a bit. it was really radek's moment to shine.

Completely agree with all of this well except the Katie and Rodney. While it's nice to see Rodney try to grow. At the end I just hoped that Katie will say no. For her sake at least. Not that I am a fan of the character (actually I rather dislike her) but you can see how Katie does not need Rodney in her life. All he is doing is bring her down.

Radek <3 much love in the Carter and Radek scenes. Oh shoutout to 42 was wonderful.

Admiral Mappalazarou
January 19th, 2008, 12:57 PM
I forgot to mention that it was ace to see Teyla's face when Shepherd explained what '42' was the answer to.

Mekarri
January 19th, 2008, 01:00 PM
I think this ep was ok. I love Lorne and Zeleka. Didn't care for Rodney behavior. He still panic so easily. I like Jewell but Keller, not so much. I would like to see Ronon with a woman that can take care of herself. Maybe I just love Ronon. I'm waiting to see Carson again in future eps. I miss him.

PUN15H3R
January 19th, 2008, 02:02 PM
John climbing up the tower was the neatest part of the episode, and I could believe he could make it up and back down and maybe even Lorne. But the two techs, come on...


They didn't climb down, they used C4 to blow their way threw doors. When Teyla got up there... i had to use my mind powers to pull her back in :p

Loved this episode, i normally prefer the more action packed episodes but i guess you need to have some character development occasionally :p

Was Zelenka actually trying to blow the place up lol, not very smart for his usual self.

I think the Keller and Ronon theme is quite good, it shows a different side to Ronon like when he was back on satedia... He's not all muscles and anger he does have a soft squishy side :p

The Rodney, Katie situation was abit awkward, felt like slapping him so many times, "theres no point" smooth Rodney, real smooth.

i'd give that 9/10 as a stand alone... If every episode was like that though the series would not be so popular :)

IZ NIICE!

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:06 PM
The Bad:
They made Zelenka look like an idiot when he said the tablet wouldn't work and then Carter magically made it work. And having him blow the crystals was just pointless. Could've had him done the same and not look stupid by having Carter agree that it was worth a try.

That's interesting. I never thought he looked like an idiot - I saw someone who's used to having a little time at least in the lab to work on and discuss/brainstorm some options (Zelenka) and someone who's been out on missions enough to just jump in and MacGyver something (Carter).

I rewatched it a few minutes ago, and it was not Zelenka's fault the crystals blew. Carter didn't tell him she'd already done some sort of bypass or something (couldn't make out what she said). Just as he was reaching for the crystal, she started to say something about "no, wait, I -" and that's all I caught. So, no harm no foul on that one, really.

You'll notice I managed to resist the 'foul-fowl-pigeon' pun. I'm patting myself on the back for that.... ;)

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:11 PM
When Teyla got up there... i had to use my mind powers to pull her back in :p

That kind of scared me too, until I rewatched. I think, from how she looked around that she was actually trying to see if John had made it. First she looks up, doesn't see him, then she looks around then down, and sees no body pancaked on the ground, so she climbs back in again, sort of going 'whew'.


I think the Keller and Ronon theme is quite good, it shows a different side to Ronon like when he was back on satedia... He's not all muscles and anger he does have a soft squishy side :p

Soft squishy side - sorta like a big marshmallow? :P

toomanysides
January 19th, 2008, 02:13 PM
I have a question. I've seen two translations of Radek's Czech in the ventilation. I saw both he/she pronouns used (one said he one said she).... so I'm guessing in Czech it's not gender specific? Who is he referring to?

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:18 PM
I do have one question:

I can buy Sheppard being able to break the window out using the metal stool, thrown legs first, but what the heck did he use to break in the control room window? I watched twice and never could see. Please tell me he didn't use his fist like in Conversion..... :cool:

blue-skyz
January 19th, 2008, 02:23 PM
I do have one question:

I can buy Sheppard being able to break the window out using the metal stool, thrown legs first, but what the heck did he use to break in the control room window? I watched twice and never could see. Please tell me he didn't use his fist like in Conversion..... :cool:
Funiture?

Combat boots, the perfect climbing apparel. :rolleyes:

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:28 PM
Funiture?

Combat boots, the perfect climbing apparel. :rolleyes:

In which case, he should have been gimping into the control room going ouch, ouch, ouch as he stepped on the glass in his sock feet. :eek:

And what's with that blasted wind when he was climbing, anyway; not one gust strong enough to really lift the shirt? Humph. Not good enough, as my auntie says.:D

Clem
January 19th, 2008, 02:30 PM
I wasn't too keen on "Quarantine" personally. They were desperately trying to make it more character-driven, but it ended up highlighting the fact none of them actually have one.

We just got several painful conversations where people strain to talk to someone they never usually would. Zalenka tries to talk to Carter and we get pigeons. Ronon tries talking to Keller and we rehash an old story about his dead partner. Sheppard and Teyla, two characters with an actual relationship to expand on, hit the exact same beats they have the last two episodes.

Rodney and Kate, the real meat of the episode, was utterly depressing. This was a cute couple people would root for. But Rodney spirals into this self-destructive mess and destroys their relationship right before our eyes.

They were obviously trying for another "Sunday", where you force the characters to interact and bond for a change, with a bittersweet ending. Turns out they played all their cards last year.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 02:33 PM
In which case, he should have been gimping into the control room going ouch, ouch, ouch as he stepped on the glass in his sock feet. :eek:

And what's with that blasted wind when he was climbing, anyway; not one gust strong enough to really lift the shirt? Humph. Not good enough, as my auntie says.:D
Don't get me excited with talk of potential whump and and a lost opportunity for Shirtless Shep, Raven. ;) I ask you, is it too much that the shirt could have got snagged on SOMETHING? Anything? ;) Heck i'd settle for a little rip. :P

blue-skyz
January 19th, 2008, 02:33 PM
In which case, he should have been gimping into the control room going ouch, ouch, ouch as he stepped on the glass in his sock feet. :eek:

And what's with that blasted wind when he was climbing, anyway; not one gust strong enough to really lift the shirt? Humph. Not good enough, as my auntie says.:D
I figured the boot was still on and he kicked out the window, though the boot is probably heavy enough to throw. :rolleyes:

I didn't think about the wind. Good point. I was too busy enjoying the view. :o

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 02:38 PM
Don't get me excited with talk of potential whump and and a lost opportunity for Shirtless Shep, Raven.?* ;) I ask you, is it too much that the shirt could have got snagged on SOMETHING? Anything? ;) Heck i'd settle for a little rip. :P*injects Peg with a sedative.*It looked like he threw a chair through the window like in the lab with Teyla.

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Don't get me excited with talk of potential whump and and a lost opportunity for Shirtless Shep, Raven. ;) I ask you, is it too much that the shirt could have got snagged on SOMETHING? Anything? ;) Heck i'd settle for a little rip. :P

Little rip? Humph. I'm going to demand BIG rips. Big, big rips. LOL.
I've been a confirmed whumper for as long as I can remember, so I've been feeling a little deprived lately. Sigh. Oh well, trot back over to the fanfic for that.;)

Hmm. Maybe that's why I prefer any shipping to be fairly subtle - leaves more leeway for the fanfic writers to do their own thing...

prion
January 19th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I do have one question:

I can buy Sheppard being able to break the window out using the metal stool, thrown legs first, but what the heck did he use to break in the control room window? I watched twice and never could see. Please tell me he didn't use his fist like in Conversion..... :cool:

Looks a pot, the kind you put plants in...

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Looks a pot, the kind you put plants in...

Cool. Thanks.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 02:52 PM
*injects Peg with a sedative.*It looked like he threw a chair through the window like in the lab with Teyla.

Thanks Babe, I can feel it working already, and oh my won't I have pleasant dreams tonight. ;)

It was a plant pot he threw through the window. :D


Little rip? Humph. I'm going to demand BIG rips. Big, big rips. LOL.
I've been a confirmed whumper for as long as I can remember, so I've been feeling a little deprived lately. Sigh. Oh well, trot back over to the fanfic for that.;)

Hmm. Maybe that's why I prefer any shipping to be fairly subtle - leaves more leeway for the fanfic writers to do their own thing...

Well, see I didn't want to appear too eager and too greedy. :P You should head over to the Shep whump thread, i'm sure they'd love to have you. :D

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 02:52 PM
Don't get me excited with talk of potential whump and and a lost opportunity for Shirtless Shep, Raven. ;) I ask you, is it too much that the shirt could have got snagged on SOMETHING? Anything? ;) Heck i'd settle for a little rip. :P

I would have settled for him falling :P

blue-skyz
January 19th, 2008, 02:52 PM
That kind of scared me too, until I rewatched. I think, from how she looked around that she was actually trying to see if John had made it. First she looks up, doesn't see him, then she looks around then down, and sees no body pancaked on the ground, so she climbs back in again, sort of going 'whew'.
I don't buy it, unless she took a nap after he climbed out the window. I think she would have checked sooner. I watched to see how much time had passed. They had already turned off the self destruct. I think she had intended to climb, but realized it wasn’t possible.

On the plus side, I think I solved the window breaking method by watching again. Watch the plant shadows on the window before it breaks. He threw a plant through it.

Edit: a little late with the plant theory.

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 02:56 PM
Thanks Babe, I can feel it working already, and oh my won't I have pleasant dreams tonight. ;)?*It was a plant pot he threw through the window. :D?*?*Well, see I didn't want to appear too eager and too greedy. :P You should head over to the Shep whump thread, i'm sure they'd love to have you. :D:eek::eek::eek::eek: Don't do it. Being a whumper makes you insane and evil. I feel so stupid for not know that it was pot plant. That thing in my head isn't working.:lol:

Integrabyte
January 19th, 2008, 03:00 PM
...who will pay for the damages? Two windows a door and a plant thingie :P.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 03:04 PM
I would have settled for him falling :P

Nah 'THE HAIRTM' would have saved him. :P


I don't buy it, unless she took a nap after he climbed out the window. I think she would have checked sooner. I watched to see how much time had passed. They had already turned off the self destruct. I think she had intended to climb, but realized it wasn’t possible.

On the plus side, I think I solved the window breaking method by watching again. Watch the plant shadows on the window before it breaks. He threw a plant through it.

Edit: a little late with the plant theory.

I thought she was thinking of going out to join him to. :o


:eek::eek::eek::eek: Don't do it. Being a whumper makes you insane and evil. I feel so stupid for not know that it was pot plant. That thing in my head isn't working.:lol:
Hush you in the cheap seats! ;)

Klenotka
January 19th, 2008, 03:06 PM
I think this episode started to be fun when Chuck appeared :lol: He had lines and left the control room! Yay! :D

I wonder if the window Sheppard broke will be intact in next episode :D

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 03:07 PM
I don't buy it, unless she took a nap after he climbed out the window. I think she would have checked sooner. I watched to see how much time had passed. They had already turned off the self destruct. I think she had intended to climb, but realized it wasn’t possible.

On the plus side, I think I solved the window breaking method by watching again. Watch the plant shadows on the window before it breaks. He threw a plant through it.

Edit: a little late with the plant theory.

No problem. Nice to have confirmation :).

And you have a good point about the length of time. Could be she figured if that city boy could do it, she could too? Until she discovered, of course, that her arms weren't long enough any more? :lol:

Rosehawk
January 19th, 2008, 03:08 PM
I have a question. I've seen two translations of Radek's Czech in the ventilation. I saw both he/she pronouns used (one said he one said she).... so I'm guessing in Czech it's not gender specific? Who is he referring to?

Stop by the Zelenka Thunk and Translations thread.

There are several people from the Czech Republic who frequent the thread and are really great about answering any translation and/or language questions. :)

Falcon Horus
January 19th, 2008, 03:09 PM
I wonder if the window Sheppard broke will be intact in next episode :D

Of course, that's what the reset button is for.

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 03:10 PM
...who will pay for the damages? Two windows a door and a plant thingie :P.

If Shep has to pay for everything he's broken over the years, he'll be in debt up to his eyeballs until he's older than Todd. :lol:

Raven56
January 19th, 2008, 03:12 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek: Don't do it. Being a whumper makes you insane and evil. I feel so stupid for not know that it was pot plant. That thing in my head isn't working.:lol:

THING IN YOUR HEAD??????? You have a goa'uld and you never told us? Holding out are you?

Oh. Sorry. You meant the gray stuff. Sigh. Thought we had a new pet.... :LOL:

jelgate
January 19th, 2008, 03:13 PM
Of course, that's what the reset button is for.Didn't you know? There is a room that has copies of the Atlantis doors, in case one get broken.

Pegasus_SGA
January 19th, 2008, 03:16 PM
THING IN YOUR HEAD??????? You have a goa'uld and you never told us? Holding out are you?

Oh. Sorry. You meant the gray stuff. Sigh. Thought we had a new pet.... :LOL:

*snort*

Yeah, but with pets, we can say 'what a good boy'! With Jel, not so much. ;) :P :D

*runs out the thread*