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Ripple in Space
December 25th, 2007, 11:19 PM
While I loved the movie, I don't see it having any appeal to people who haven't been fans of S8.5-10 of SG-1. I've heard many say that they believe that it might have a broader appeal than the established fanbase, but I'd be shocked. Almost every plot and conversation was related to events from the past 10 years, the past 3 more specifically.

If they were going for a general movie, I think they failed. If they were going for a fitting close for the Ori arc, I think they succeeded and then some.

heliosphere
December 26th, 2007, 07:13 AM
Honestly, I don't think either movie will be sought after by people that haven't watched SG-1. Maybe an Atlantis only fan, and maybe someone who watches it with an SG-1 fan and then becomes curious.

But both movies seem to depend on already knowing the characters and knowing the situations they are in and their background. Ten years of history is a long time, and going into the movie cold turkey would be kind of confusing.

Especially if they only thing they ever saw was the Stargate movie itself.

jenks
December 26th, 2007, 07:16 AM
You'd be surprised how many impulse buyers there are, granted none SG-1 fans won't be rushing out to buy it on March 11th, but I think that there'll be plenty of people who will pick this up just for the name, probably more so for Continuum though...

Ladyinred
December 26th, 2007, 07:26 AM
At Amazon.com it's now #79 in general DVDs (#106 yesterday), #21 in SciFi category (#25 yesterday).

Ripple in Space
December 26th, 2007, 11:59 AM
At Amazon.com it's now #79 in general DVDs (#106 yesterday), #21 in SciFi category (#25 yesterday).

That shows the power of the fanbase, but I doubt even tptb themselves would claim that non-SG fans would pre-order AoT.

I for one wouldn't have even liked the movie if I'd stopped watching after Jack left the team. I'd be damned confused. I don't see how you can enjoy it without seeing a minimum of 6 hours of key eps.

I hope that refresher that they're bundling with AoT will be enjoyable, because not many people want homework coming with their DVDs :P.

heliosphere
December 26th, 2007, 01:41 PM
You'd be surprised how many impulse buyers there are, granted none SG-1 fans won't be rushing out to buy it on March 11th, but I think that there'll be plenty of people who will pick this up just for the name, probably more so for Continuum though...

Yeah, I think RDA being on the header would help sales to non-fans for continuum. I still think people would look at it and wonder what the movie was though and want some background first. There's still a ton of background to Continuum and we don't want people watching it and getting confused, ya know? Like who is this Ba'al guy, what is a goa'uld- that sort of thing. The things fans or those familiar with the series take for granted right now, but would totally throw off someone new if there's no explanation.

Maybe it would indirectly bring more fans in. Ones that would see the movie by renting it or seeing it with a friend and be confused but interested, and then decide to watch the whole series before going back to buy the movies as well. One can only hope!

Ripple in Space
December 26th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Yeah, I think RDA being on the header would help sales to non-fans for continuum. I still think people would look at it and wonder what the movie was though and want some background first. There's still a ton of background to Continuum and we don't want people watching it and getting confused, ya know? Like who is this Ba'al guy, what is a goa'uld- that sort of thing. The things fans or those familiar with the series take for granted right now, but would totally throw off someone new if there's no explanation.

Maybe it would indirectly bring more fans in. Ones that would see the movie by renting it or seeing it with a friend and be confused but interested, and then decide to watch the whole series before going back to buy the movies as well. One can only hope!

I agree. The thing is, it's possible that someone who saw the original movie would just view Continuum as a sequel. We can't make the call yet, but between RDA, Beau Bridges, and the familiar name and theme, it might have a broader appeal.

Think about it, if you saw the original movie, and NOT SG-1, you'd come into Continuum thinking/knowing, "OK, Jack and Daniel found another Goa'uld over the past decade, and they beat him too. Now they're executing him. It looks like they got his army to defect. And hey, there's Beau Bridges playing the General."

With AoT, if you've just seen Stargate the movie, and look at AoT as the sequel, you'll just be thinking, "wtf?" & "how is this a sequel? OK Daniel's there, but they barely even use the Stargate! Where's Jack? What are those metal spiders? Why is that guy's skin painted white? Why is it amazing that the painted skin guy has to use a weapon to kill people? What's the deal with the hot chick made out of fire? And that other attractive Brunette sure doesn't look old enough to be the flame-chick's mom!" and "this movie makes no sense, I hate it! I want my money back!"

kirmit
December 26th, 2007, 04:13 PM
I know quite a few people who only watched sg-1 now and again, weren't really fans just watched it when it was on and enjoyed it but still didn't watch it regularly. I think the number of occasional viewers is quite high, alot of people know of stargate and when they hear of a stargate movie they could think 'Well the few episodes I saw were good, I might aswell check out the movie'. They may not like the film afterwards but they'd still bought it and that's what counts, that's what will get us fans more movies :P. Saying that though, I didn't fully enjoy the movie but can see how someone who isn't a stargate fan could. With a little backstory (which is apparently included on the DVD) I think alot of people might like it, perhaps even enough for them to become regular fans.

ToasterOnFire
December 26th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Not many. IMO, the only non-SG1 fans who will buy AoT are those who think it's something brand new (and may end up disappointed/confused when they find out it's just a continuation of a 10 year old show) or those who don't know the genre at all and blindly buy it as a gift (think grandparents buying something for their grandkid).

PriorKiller
December 26th, 2007, 07:02 PM
While I loved the movie, I don't see it having any appeal to people who haven't been fans of S8.5-10 of SG-1. I've heard many say that they believe that it might have a broader appeal than the established fan base, but I'd be shocked. Almost every plot and conversation was related to events from the past 10 years, the past 3 more specifically.

If they were going for a general movie, I think they failed. If they were going for a fitting close for the Ori arc, I think they succeeded and then some.

I agree, If you haven't been watching at least the last season or two of SG1, you'll have no idea whats going on, etc... and the movie won't appeal to you, the show already by itself already had a slowly declining fan base, during those seasons. (Even though some might disagree)

Example; the movie doesn't give any back history, just jumps in sort of where SG1 left off, 2 eps before the final episode of season 10.

Fenrir Foxz
December 26th, 2007, 07:06 PM
I agree, If you haven't been watching at least the last season or two of SG1, you'll have no idea whats going on, etc... and the movie won't appeal to you, the show already by itself already had a slowly declining fan base, during those seasons. (Even though some might disagree)

Example; the movie doesn't give any back history, just jumps in sort of where SG1 left off, 2 eps before the final episode of season 10.

There is going to be a feature on the dvd that gives some backstory to the film... but I agree, if you arn't already into Stargate then AoT is not going to be a dvd you'll consider buying in march...

PriorKiller
December 26th, 2007, 07:24 PM
There is going to be a feature on the dvd that gives some backstory to the film... but I agree, if you arn't already into Stargate then AoT is not going to be the a dvd you'll consider buying in march...

Thats good

umopapisdn
December 31st, 2007, 07:58 AM
To watch it you require specialist knwoledge, for that reason I don't think people who haven't seen most sg1 episodes will like it, though I did :D

Integrabyte
December 31st, 2007, 08:07 AM
The DVD will contain a 1 hour special that will help NON-SG-1 fans, for instance, to understand many things in AOT. If you've seen all 10 seasons you will refresh your memory with this special. If you haven't seen SG-1 at all, then you will be brought up to date so AOT does not feel like a bore. Does the question still make sense?

prion
December 31st, 2007, 08:36 AM
Honestly, I don't think either movie will be sought after by people that haven't watched SG-1. Maybe an Atlantis only fan, and maybe someone who watches it with an SG-1 fan and then becomes curious.

But both movies seem to depend on already knowing the characters and knowing the situations they are in and their background. Ten years of history is a long time, and going into the movie cold turkey would be kind of confusing.

Especially if they only thing they ever saw was the Stargate movie itself.

There will people who watch the show in syndication and will grab it; there will be folks who go "oh, look hon, it's MacGyver" (come on, if RDA is in two minutes they're going to use his name on the box somewhere).

Folks who are fans of purely SGA may not plunk down the cash. It's hard to tell. A lot will depend on how they market it.

Ladyinred
December 31st, 2007, 08:41 AM
There will people who watch the show in syndication and will grab it; there will be folks who go "oh, look hon, it's MacGyver" (come on, if RDA is in two minutes they're going to use his name on the box somewhere).

Folks who are fans of purely SGA may not plunk down the cash. It's hard to tell. A lot will depend on how they market it.

I think it was Joe in his blog or RCC in the interview or also answering TAoT questions in Joe's blog some time ago, who said that Fox is going to include TAoT trailer in their other DVDs, plus they're going to show the trailer in theaters before movies. This is really great idea, IMO, 'cause it's gonna make a lot more people get interested in the movie.

Skydiver
December 31st, 2007, 01:10 PM
I doubt there'll be very many people that shell out $20+ and pick it up just for kicks and giggles.

There's too much competition for your dollar on every Tuesday.

I see the impulse buying coming fron netflix rentals and once it hits the bargin bins. When it's $5 orless, people are more likely to give it a try.

i think 85% of the audience will be existing fans with a few folks coming in new based on promotion.

It's like the Babylon 5: THe Lost Tales, it's really not meant for anyone that's not a fan already.

flynn1959
December 31st, 2007, 01:23 PM
I've done my part and talked one of the Doctors at work into buying AOT.

He is a Startrek fan but has never seen Stargate! I only found this out yesterday. He has now borrowed the first three seasons on dvd from me and is going to watch them this week.:)

He does has a thing for Claudia Black, he has great taste, so I am going to fish out season nine and ten for him next.

Falcon Horus
January 1st, 2008, 09:24 AM
If they wanted this to cater to a larger audience, other than the gaters, than they failed miserably. Instead of making a long episode, they should have made a movie.

kirmit
January 1st, 2008, 09:33 AM
If they wanted this to cater to a larger audience, other than the gaters, than they failed miserably. Instead of making a long episode, they should have made a movie.

People won't know that when they buy it though ;).

Falcon Horus
January 1st, 2008, 09:35 AM
People won't know that when they buy it though ;).

No, they'll find out soon enough... I can imagine there will be a lot of second-hand, only used once AoT DVD's on eBay.

kirmit
January 1st, 2008, 09:36 AM
No, they'll find out soon enough... I can imagine they're be a lot of second-hand, only used once AoT DVD's on eBay.

TBH I don't mind that, as long as the sales figures get us more movies :D.

Falcon Horus
January 1st, 2008, 09:38 AM
TBH I don't mind that, as long as the sales figures get us more movies :D.

Preferably movies and not longwinded episodes.

kirmit
January 1st, 2008, 09:41 AM
Preferably movies and not longwinded episodes.

Well hopefully as the movies are written and directed by different people those people will know how to do it right, unlike RCC imo.

Falcon Horus
January 1st, 2008, 09:45 AM
Well hopefully as the movies are written and directed by different people those people will know how to do it right, unlike RCC imo.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

flynn1959
January 1st, 2008, 11:15 AM
Well hopefully as the movies are written and directed by different people those people will know how to do it right, unlike RCC imo.

Yes but don't forget that Continudum is by BW.:(

RCC did an excellent job with AOT and I hope we get many more movies by him. And yes AOT is a movie and not an overlong episode. I really don't understand why one or two people keep saying that. What do those people want? What would make this a movie in thier eyes?

AOT would appeal to Sci Fi fans in general as you don't really need to know all of the shows ten years of history to enjoy it. To me the next one will be a much harder sell, not just because of the done to death AT thing but from what I have read it references a lot more of the show and introduces more of the old charcters too.

Ladyinred
January 1st, 2008, 11:26 AM
Yes but don't forget that Continudum is by BW.:(

RCC did an excellent job with AOT and I hope we get many more movies by him. And yes AOT is a movie and not an overlong episode. I really don't understand why one or two people keep saying that. What do those people want? What would make this a movie in thier eyes?

AOT would appeal to Sci Fi fans in general as you don't really need to know all of the shows ten years of history to enjoy it. To me the next one will be a much harder sell, not just because of the done to death AT thing but from what I have read it references a lot more of the show and introduces more of the old charcters too.

Exactly. "Continuum" is only for these who are familiar with ALL 10 seasons.

Alipeeps
January 1st, 2008, 11:38 AM
I won't buy it. I might rent it. I've always enjoyed SG1 but I've never really been fannish about it and there's still many episodes I've never seen and in fact in recent series, which I was watching as they premiered on Sky, I missed a couple and was never really bothered to catch up on them (even ones I'd recorded, I just wasn't really interested enough to ever get around to watching em). I've still never watched the last episode of, I think, Season 9, for example.

So it's not something I would spend my money on and not something I would rush to rent either.. more something I would add to my Amazon rental list and get around to watching it when it happens to get to the top of the list.

MediaSavant
January 1st, 2008, 01:37 PM
I know quite a few people who only watched sg-1 now and again, weren't really fans just watched it when it was on and enjoyed it but still didn't watch it regularly. I think the number of occasional viewers is quite high, alot of people know of stargate and when they hear of a stargate movie they could think 'Well the few episodes I saw were good, I might aswell check out the movie'. They may not like the film afterwards but they'd still bought it and that's what counts, that's what will get us fans more movies :P. Saying that though, I didn't fully enjoy the movie but can see how someone who isn't a stargate fan could. With a little backstory (which is apparently included on the DVD) I think alot of people might like it, perhaps even enough for them to become regular fans.

Casual viewers don't necessarily have to buy it. They have the option of renting it, as well.

Franklyn Blaze
January 1st, 2008, 02:53 PM
I myself am waiting untill it hits the bargin bins. I don't own any DVD's. I netflix watch and return everything. (and will netflix AoT) The DVDs I used to have I traded in for music. DVDs collect too much dust, even my family doesn't watch theirs. I don't know why people feel it's necessary to keep something forever if you only watch it once or twice. If guests come over they can watch TV that's what I bought the flat screen and 500,000 channels for.

the fifth man
January 1st, 2008, 04:51 PM
TBH I don't mind that, as long as the sales figures get us more movies :D.

I know that is exactly how I feel.:) I enjoyed AOT, and really look forward to Continuum, and hopefully more after that.

Jumper_One
January 1st, 2008, 05:04 PM
I know that is exactly how I feel.:) I enjoyed AOT, and really look forward to Continuum, and hopefully more after that.

same here :)

Supreme Commander Sil
January 1st, 2008, 05:09 PM
I believe that non-SG1 fans would watch it. How is it possible to be an SGA fan only :eek:????!!!?!??!?!?! People who haven't read books watch the movies and people who haven't seen the first movies in a trilogy still watch them. It is generally quite easy to pick up a plot anyhow. Also, re-introducing the characters would slow it down! The movies could get people who weren't previously interested interested in the Stargate series. This could also work as some people don't watch TV series and an attractive movie could turn them to the dark/good side of the force that we know as 'media'. Anywho...

Falcon Horus
January 1st, 2008, 05:11 PM
How is it possible to be an SGA fan only :eek:????!!!?!??!?!?!

Just as easily like being an SG1-fan only.

from_orion
January 2nd, 2008, 02:23 AM
While I enjoyed the movie I have to agree with my friend who was disappointed in that it watched like any two-part episode and was not quite movie-worthy. Plus [spoiler] the ending was two similar to the ending of Unending.

Integrabyte
January 2nd, 2008, 04:25 AM
While I enjoyed the movie I have to agree with my friend who was disappointed in that it watched like any two-part episode and was not quite movie-worthy. Plus [spoiler] the ending was two similar to the ending of Unending.


There is a reason for that, innit? The gate is a symbol, new explorations, new movies :P

umopapisdn
January 2nd, 2008, 07:40 AM
I believe that non-SG1 fans would watch it. How is it possible to be an SGA fan only :eek:????!!!?!??!?!?! People who haven't read books watch the movies and people who haven't seen the first movies in a trilogy still watch them. It is generally quite easy to pick up a plot anyhow. Also, re-introducing the characters would slow it down! The movies could get people who weren't previously interested interested in the Stargate series. This could also work as some people don't watch TV series and an attractive movie could turn them to the dark/good side of the force that we know as 'media'. Anywho...

True, leave that element of mystery. They might even enjoy it as much as a stargate fan because they don't know what it;s got to live up to. Though they also wouldn't understand the idiosyncreses of the plot.

Integline7
January 5th, 2008, 12:37 PM
While I loved the movie, I don't see it having any appeal to people who haven't been fans of S8.5-10 of SG-1. I've heard many say that they believe that it might have a broader appeal than the established fanbase, but I'd be shocked. Almost every plot and conversation was related to events from the past 10 years, the past 3 more specifically.

If they were going for a general movie, I think they failed. If they were going for a fitting close for the Ori arc, I think they succeeded and then some.

Couldn't agree more.

inta
January 5th, 2008, 02:20 PM
They really need to start digital downloads of stuff like this movie.
especially on forums like Xbox live and Playstation3.

there's tons of bad "direct to dvd" movies that are ranked high week after week on xbox live marketplace... if sci fi opened up a channel for their shows/movies they'd make a ton more.

I am not kidding. when you see bad movies like "timber falls" ranked #1 for weeks as most popular thriller, you realize so many companies are slacking on throwing their movies out on this format.

this is where I think you could rope in a bunch of casual watchers who will get it just because it's sci fi and will have special effects.

AGateFan
January 5th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Not many. IMO, the only non-SG1 fans who will buy AoT are those who think it's something brand new (and may end up disappointed/confused when they find out it's just a continuation of a 10 year old show) or those who don't know the genre at all and blindly buy it as a gift (think grandparents buying something for their grandkid).
I agree with you.
And I hope the number of people that make the mistake are few. I dont see the wrap up of S10 drawing people to buy more of the show the way that accidently catching some of the earlier eps would. Taste of the season not-withstanding, they will have seen the end.