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GateWorld
December 25th, 2007, 12:10 PM
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The Doctor finds himself on board the Titanic, an interstellar luxury liner paying a visit to Earth -- and must save everyone on board when the vessel begins to plummet into the atmosphere.

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wise one
December 25th, 2007, 12:40 PM
that episode was not bad actually, although i wanted like a dalek or something to pop out of the mist but no we get a cyborg.. o well

The Prophet
December 25th, 2007, 12:47 PM
My first thought was Davros... But, ah well.

pbellosom
December 25th, 2007, 12:50 PM
What did they do to the theme tune?! That was unbelievably bad (the tune I mean not the ep).

I liked the episode though, why if the TARDIS was hurtling towards Earth it would randomly land neatly in London I don't know, also how did he find it when he got there?

A million pounds? That wont buy you a house in London.

I found it truly hilarious that the people of London have finally worked out that spending Christmas in London is a dangerous idea and the fact that at least one British queen likes the Doctor.

All in all I thought it was a great episode, very surprised by the huge death toll, though I thought the end was a bit too cheesy.

Also I loved the bit with Astrid in London, that's what Who's been missing the sense off utter wonderment. Astrid would have made a great companion, I'm still not to keen on the idea of Donna returning and the advert didn't improve my opinion of her.

Reefgirl
December 25th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Ok, to repost what I said in the thread I started and that Darren closed, which is fair enough.

Well Gene Hackman's out of a job now. Did anyone else spot the similarities to The Posidon Adventure?

Well to start with Manny Rosen/Mr Copper, Susan Shelby/Astrid

Was anyone else dissapointed that she wasn't the Tardis after all or did I miss something

Carrying on from where I left off Foon Van Hoff/Belle Rosen, Mad the same sacrifice too bless her, although Shelley Winters was more believable,

Can't see what Rickman Thing and Ernest Borgnine's Mike Rogo have in common tho

All in all I loved it, the Hosts were't that scarey and who else yelled DAVROS!!!!!!!!!!! when they saw Max Capricorn. I do hope they bring back Midshipman Frame but it was a great send up of the Posidon Adventure

Oh and if someone else has started another thread while I've been typing this feel free to merge it Mods

Alipeeps
December 25th, 2007, 01:10 PM
I shall copy across my thoughts from the thread I started whilst too impatient to wait for the official thread! :lol:

Hubby wasn't overly impressed but I rather enjoyed it. Definitely rather darker than previous Christmas eps, which usually tend to be at least a bit lighter. Sure racked up the body count in this one - with the good guys/nice people dropping like flies.

And I was surprised at what happened to Astrid. I thought I'd read they would be interested in possibly having her back at some future point? Doesn't look like that's much of an option right now. Definitely an angsty one for the Dr.. seriously, poor old 10 isn't having a great time of it lately is he? Losing companions/friends by the bucketload.

Definite roots in the Poseidon Adventure on this one, which RTD freely admits, and I liked the concept. Lots of nice character moments too and some great funny lines. DT, as ever, rocked and Kylie was very likeable as Astrid. Some of it was pure cheese - the near miss on Bukcingham Palace and the Queen in her curlers, for goodness's sake! - but enjoyably so.

And the Season 4 trailer at the end looked AWESOME - I seriously need to go rewatch that.

Matt G
December 25th, 2007, 01:42 PM
OK...

1. Not sure what to make of the remixed themetune. Nephew liked it, reminded me of 80s footage on Youtube!

2. Now we have the story of how the Titanic came to be in Earth orbit! Fair enough idea - Earth's clearly been infiltrated enough times so that most races out there know 'something' about it!

3. No major Earth characters whatsoever! Interesting change though it also meant that only the Doctor was garanteed to survive!

4. Kylie got given a place in the opening credits yet Astrid wasn't any bigger a player than Mr Copper! OK, the Doctor 'would' have given her a spot on board the Tardis if given the chance but unless you've been in cyro for several months you'd have known than another character would have become his long term companion!

Overall - very good idea, felt a lot more like a regular ep though - unlike last year which was clearly played for laughs!

Reefgirl
December 25th, 2007, 01:49 PM
OK...


4. Kylie got given a place in the opening credits yet Astrid wasn't any bigger a player than Mr Copper! OK, the Doctor 'would' have given her a spot on board the Tardis if given the chance but unless you've been in cyro for several months you'd have known than another character would have become his long term companion!
Catherine Tate got her name in the credits last year and John Barrowman got his name up there last series too and he was only there for 3 eps, it must be a big guest star/companion thing

The_Carpenter
December 25th, 2007, 02:11 PM
I felt that this wasn't as good as I was expecting but that probably due to the extra media hype surrounding Kylie, so I'll rewatch it and see what I think then.

But have to say I love the new theme music awesome :cool:

Billz
December 25th, 2007, 02:57 PM
I knew the name Astrid Peth was just a coincidence. Alot of people kept speculating that because her name meant 'Part TARDIS' (Astrid being a anagram of TARDIS and Peth translating into 'Part' in some language) that she would end up being one of the human form TARDIS's that was often spoken of in the classic series.

I was dissapointed that it had more similarities to the Poseidon Adventure rather then Titanic. Was anyone else just hoping that the Titanic would land on water or was it just me? LOL

I really thought that Astrid, Bannakaffalatta and the 'well stuffed' couple would survive.

Rather dissapointed that the Heavenly Host's weren't really Axons.

I didnt like the altered intro theme or the ending credits one bit. Should not have messed with them.

But a pleasent and well needed change from previous christmas episodes.

8.5/10

SaberBlade
December 25th, 2007, 03:24 PM
Overall I did like it.

I was disappointed how everyone pretty much died, as if the Doctor couldn't do anything right with a companion around. I did think it was a let down for the Doctor to give this impressive speech about being over 900 years old, a time lord, from galifrey and going to save everyone yet all he did was save the Earth and some old fart along with some guy who's ego was the size of the ship. The Doctor was great though. I really enjoyed "take me to your leader. i've always wanted to say that" and his reference to Hitchhikers Guide when he used the number 42 as a possible override number.


In all it was a good episode. Nice to see that people have figured out London is a disaster area just waiting to happen at christmas. I thought that bit really made a lot of sense and it's got to be something I don't think anyone could have considered. It does open the possibility of next years christmas special not happening at christmas or at London if they've made so much bad stuff happen there at christmas that everyone decides to leave.

Shame about Kylie's character, but I do see some potential there for a future return if they ever decide it. She was definitely more enjoyable to watch that Catherine Tate.

I must say though that I was disappointed that Bannakaffalatta wasn't played by Warrick Davis. I saw the character and thought it would have been a good role for him as he's been everything from a ewok, to a magic using human/goblin (if I know my Harry Potter) to a robot, an evil leprechaun, to a magic using hero out to save the world, and even a secret agent and while I don't want to take anything away from Jimmy Vee, I just saw the character and thought Davis would have been great.

Alipeeps
December 25th, 2007, 05:00 PM
I was disappointed how everyone pretty much died, as if the Doctor couldn't do anything right with a companion around. I did think it was a let down for the Doctor to give this impressive speech about being over 900 years old, a time lord, from galifrey and going to save everyone yet all he did was save the Earth and some old fart along with some guy who's ego was the size of the ship.

I'm wondering if that is actually something of an intentional homage to The Poseidon Adventure as it does rather mirror the events of that film.


I must say though that I was disappointed that Bannakaffalatta wasn't played by Warrick Davis. I saw the character and thought it would have been a good role for him as he's been everything from a ewok, to a magic using human/goblin (if I know my Harry Potter) to a robot, an evil leprechaun, to a magic using hero out to save the world, and even a secret agent and while I don't want to take anything away from Jimmy Vee, I just saw the character and thought Davis would have been great.

Jimmy Vee has played a lot of roles in the new seasons of Dr Who including The Moxx of Balhoon in The End of World, the Space Pig in Aliens of London/Word War III and the Graske in the interactive episode Attack Of The Graske. He's also played the Graske and a baby Slitheen in episodes of The Sarah Jane Adventures.

jajwhite
December 26th, 2007, 06:56 AM
Another Douglas Adams reference was the ship itself. DNA wrote about the Starship Titanic - shich suffered a Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure in Life The Universe and Everything. And also wrote a very annoying PC game called Starship Titanic. Terry Jones later wrote a novel called Starship Titanic, based on DNA's idea. He notably insisted on writing it completely in the nude. Such is the Monty Python mind...!

Voyage Of The Damned doesn't play off any of those ideas, but is nice and festive, in a Poseidon Adventure - everybody crying at all the sacrifices - sort of way. A good weepy slaughter movie is what Christmas is all about. ;)

Loved Astrid. I wonder if the name may have relevance. Be nice to have her back.

J.

Admiral Mappalazarou
December 26th, 2007, 09:12 AM
But have to say I love the new theme music awesome :cool:

Amen! :cameron:

I loved the ep as well, I think that in order to keep people watching they have to try new things, and in this case it was having the Xmas special set in space rather than on Earth like the two previous specials - and I loved every second of it.

Madeleine
December 26th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Like last year's, I watched it through enough wine and chocolate to have loved it no matter what. I expect I'll watch it again some time and produce a more analytical response.

Clive Swift was the best bit, with his fabulous stories of the horrors of Christmas.

Missster.Freeman
December 26th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Not too bad. It's been a while since I last watched the Poseidon Adventure. There were some scenes I did not remember seeing the last time around.

So, Astrid wasn't the TARDIS after all. I kept waiting and waiting for Astrid to finally reveal her true self. Kylie was good though and so were Ernest Borgnine and Shelley Winters. :P The old boy was likeable - it was nice to see him have a happy ending.

DT was awesome, yet again, in his Tux and Gutties. He's never really had an off-day as the Doctor and while I don't mind if and when he moves on to other roles, he will most definitely be missed.

What else? Oh yeah, I too thought Davros was about to appear out of the mist.

I have to say, the fast pacing and the noise was there again and I still find it to be distracting. We had to hit reverse on the video remote a few times to catch pieces of dialogue that we missed. Doctor Who definitely calls for a rewatch or three to catch bits that have been missed. Which is no bad thing, imo. :D

Still, it's good to have the Doctor on the telly at Christmas and long may it continue. It beats watching reruns of foosty old films and shows.

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2007, 11:22 AM
Loved it. But then, I usually do. ;) Not sure what to make of the new theme. It seems a little weird, but then I suppose that could be said of all the other theme changes over the years- they sound weird until you get used to them (or they change again).

I was a bit saddened by the high death toll, especially since I liked all the characters who died (at least in the Doctor's group), but I suppose that's one of the things that makes the death more meaningful... or at least more felt, folks tend to have wildly diverse interpretations of "meaningful deaths." :P

I caught the Poseidon Adventure vibes, too, but having only ever seen snips of that movie, I couldn't draw any real parallels. I also liked the nod to Doug Adams- both with the Starship Titanic and the Doctor's attempt to find the right security protocol by guessing 42. lol

Who did the voice of the Heavenly Host? Sounded very familiar. Ahh, the Ood Voice (among other things). Knew I knew it from somewhere.

Like the S4 teaser, too, although there were a few times when I felt like I was missing something obvious.

I'm also glad I didn't read any of the spoilers/speculation for this ep because the whole Astrid/TARDIS thing never crossed my mind so I never expected her to be anything other than what she said she was. Although that'd be a very interesting idea to explore in a future ep.

Willow'sCat
December 26th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Not sure what to make of this one. I think the body count was way too high for a Christmas Special... :S Although the deaths meant nothing to me as I felt zero connection to the passengers. That was probably the worst part of the episode/story, I felt like we didn't know these people so who cares if they all die, even The Doctor's woobie face couldn't get me to shed a tear.

And yes, if you have seen the Poseidon Adventure you pretty much have seen the outline of this episode, not the least bit original which is a pity for a Special. I assume the kids would have liked it though, there was plenty of explosions and mindless violence (all be it cartoonish) *meh* I think I just expected more from Doctor Who.

Kylie was alright, I am glad they kept her lines to a minimum. Not sure on the accent but then I am wondering what happened to her Australian accent in RL. :S Also... and this is probably just an Australian thing, or a me thing :P but when he said to Kylie's character "look at me" I had a weird flashback to Kylie in Kath and Kim :D

Hmm, and does he have to have a snog with everyone now? Well everyone who isn't Jack apparently. :cool::p

Anyone spot the can of Brasso at the start? Just made me giggle for some reason. :p

Ooh and my copy *cough* had a preview of Doctor Who & Torchwood at the end. Yay!

Alipeeps
December 26th, 2007, 01:06 PM
I loved the ep as well, I think that in order to keep people watching they have to try new things, and in this case it was having the Xmas special set in space rather than on Earth like the two previous specials - and I loved every second of it.

Yeah. I rather liked that it wasn't set on Earth for once and that the Dr was in the situation of trying to explain Earth and Earth customs to other people. Is this the first time though that we've seen what are essentially humans (or certainly look exactly like em) from another planet.. in Earth's current time? Not humans from the future... but that there are humans or human-like species on other planets right now, before the humans from Earth have spread out from Earth?


Like last year's, I watched it through enough wine and chocolate to have loved it no matter what. I expect I'll watch it again some time and produce a more analytical response.


Indeed. I was gonna say earlier that I am so in love with this programme that I pretty much love it no matter what but that's not entirely true as I certainly wasn't keen on the rather awful Dalek 2-parter in this season... so I am capable of some critical appreciation, despite my love! :lol:

Anyway. Have watched VotD twice now and enjoyed it just as much the 2nd time around. :)


DT was awesome, yet again, in his Tux and Gutties. He's never really had an off-day as the Doctor and while I don't mind if and when he moves on to other roles, he will most definitely be missed.

Gotta agree with you there. Once again, he was incredible in this. His portrayal of the Dr is a large part of why I love this show so much right now.



I have to say, the fast pacing and the noise was there again and I still find it to be distracting. We had to hit reverse on the video remote a few times to catch pieces of dialogue that we missed. Doctor Who definitely calls for a rewatch or three to catch bits that have been missed. Which is no bad thing, imo. :D

Still, it's good to have the Doctor on the telly at Christmas and long may it continue. It beats watching reruns of foosty old films and shows.

Hmm, yeah.. I too found a couple of bits of dialogue hard to catch. Even on second viewing there's one of two I still haven't worked out. But I agree, Dr Who on Christmas day has become a wonderful tradition and one I look forward to greatly. Long may it continue! :D

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2007, 01:28 PM
I liked the "mixed-up" history of Christmas, too, but then I'm easily amused. I got a giggle out of the jukebox ipod, too, way back when. ;)

Reefgirl
December 26th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Another Douglas Adams reference was the ship itself. DNA wrote about the Starship Titanic - shich suffered a Spontaneous Massive Existence Failure in Life The Universe and Everything. And also wrote a very annoying PC game called Starship Titanic. Terry Jones later wrote a novel called Starship Titanic, based on DNA's idea. He notably insisted on writing it completely in the nude. Such is the Monty Python mind...!
I've read the book and very good it is too but then I love everything by Douglas Adams and there is a pic of Terry Jones, in the nude (Bits covered by a typewriter) on the back cover. I noticed the '42' reference too


Voyage Of The Damned doesn't play off any of those ideas, but is nice and festive, in a Poseidon Adventure - everybody crying at all the sacrifices - sort of way. A good weepy slaughter movie is what Christmas is all about. ;)
J.
Oh yeah, gotta have mindless slaughter on Christmas Day

Not too bad. It's been a while since I last watched the Poseidon Adventure. There were some scenes I did not remember seeing the last time around.

So, Astrid wasn't the TARDIS after all. I kept waiting and waiting for Astrid to finally reveal her true self. Kylie was good though and so were Ernest Borgnine and Shelley Winters. :P The old boy was likeable - it was nice to see him have a happy ending.
I thought Shelley Winters and Ernest Borgnine did it better, Clive Swift (Almost called him Richard then) even looked like Manny Rosen from the film, the way he looked after Astrid/Susan Shelby and DT looks better in a Tux than Gene Hackman


DT was awesome, yet again, in his Tux and Gutties. He's never really had an off-day as the Doctor and while I don't mind if and when he moves on to other roles, he will most definitely be missed.

What else? Oh yeah, I too thought Davros was about to appear out of the mist.

I have to say, the fast pacing and the noise was there again and I still find it to be distracting. We had to hit reverse on the video remote a few times to catch pieces of dialogue that we missed. Doctor Who definitely calls for a rewatch or three to catch bits that have been missed. Which is no bad thing, imo. :D

Still, it's good to have the Doctor on the telly at Christmas and long may it continue. It beats watching reruns of foosty old films and shows.
Hear hear

I've got to get it onto disc at some point so another watch is on the cards. I have to admit the 'Lift' up from the Heavenly hosts was very cheesey even more cheesey than the end of the last series when he did his coming-back-from-the-Gollum bit in LotTL

Mattathias2.0
December 26th, 2007, 02:20 PM
I have to say after finally watching the entire episode. It was pretty good.

After some time, I found Astrid to be sort of annoying. Mr Copper was the best character I think in the episode. He had personality that Astrid did not have esp the things he said about Earth customs.

The Heavenly Hosts were creepy esp when one said "You are all going to die."

For once, London was evacuated on Christmas. After all this, finally people noticed.

I noticed the mentions of Cyborgs that haven't appeared before. Interesting.

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Another bonus in this ep: no mechanical Santas. :P Let's just hope the Heavenly Hosts don't return next year, though. They're a nice one-off, but enough is enough. Although I still want some of those Halos of Doom. :D

Mattathias2.0
December 26th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Another bonus in this ep: no mechanical Santas. :P Let's just hope the Heavenly Hosts don't return next year, though. They're a nice one-off, but enough is enough. Although I still want some of those Halos of Doom. :D

No Robot Santas or Killer Christmas Trees, very true.

Alipeeps
December 26th, 2007, 05:10 PM
I have to admit the 'Lift' up from the Heavenly hosts was very cheesey even more cheesey than the end of the last series when he did his coming-back-from-the-Gollum bit in LotTL

I admit that bugged me a little because it was kinda badly done... it was very obvious that the hosts were not remotely bearing his weight - they were simply standing on an FX stage with their arms linked. If they'd just made a teeeeeny bit of an effort to make it lookeven slightly realistic I would have been a lot happier. The FX in general were very good but that bit was just cheesy and badly done. :S

cheese
December 26th, 2007, 06:43 PM
Very disappointing.

For starters the part in the middle where everyone gets killed completely destroyed the suspense, it didn't help that I didnt particularly care about any of them as they hadn't been around long enough. When the woman killed herself was horrible. Much more could have been made of her fighting on despite her loss. Its horrifically bleak to have her kill herself like that.

Killing off so many characters in exactly the same way was incredibly lazy. Max, Astrid, the married couple all died in the same way, using the same FX shot with different people pasted it. Lazy, and yawnsome.

There were a couple of good moments. The mixed-up earth history was mildly amusing, as was the three questions scene. Kylie was for the most part a good guest star, fairly well acted. The slowmotion Doctor shot with all the explosions was cool, or would have been if it wasn't for me being on the verge of giving up entirely by that point.

Astrid was boring, I really was hoping for some proper awesome development. Part of the Tardis would have been great. The character was likeable enough, but it all went no where. After everyone elses death hers felt empty. Scenes that should have been charged with emotion instead left me apathetic. Oh Great, she's dead.
And how come there wasn't enough power to reconstitute her but teleport the Doctor and old man away? Okay that could be explained by some technoguff about the reconstruction process being a massive consumer of power, but that doesn't really work. If that was the case, reconstructing anyone who teleports would take the same power.
And! If she was being reconstructed from the memory banks how come she was "falling"? I have a vague rememberence that there might have been a line that said the wristband was where the memory was stored, but surely it would have been destroyed and I'm not convinced that made sense anyway.
At the rate he's losing companions maybe he really wold be best off on his own! If I were him I'd definately take a few years off anyway!

The bad guys and plan was terrible. The "Hosts" were just Autons in contumes, and had the voices of the Ood! Surely it wouldn't have been too much trouble to get someone else to to the voice, or at least have the guy change it a bit. Max was a moron, a boring useless villian that was basically a terrible version of Davros. I would have LOVED Davros to roll out. The forklit truck conclusion was weak. Why didn't he just order the hosts to help? Telling them to execute Astrid and the Doctor, or rescue him with their flying? A disappointing climax to say the least.

There was also a bad taste left since all the good characters encountered by the Doctor were killed (except the guy who faffed about on the bridge the whole time) and the criminal (all be it a likeable chap, but he did commit fraud) and smarmy business prat survive.

The Queen gag made me laugh, but not with it, at it. A true shark-jumping moment if ever I saw it.

Where did this secondary engine come from, how come no one, not even the guy on the bridge thought of it? Surely the ship's emergacy second engine isn't just able to be started with heat from reentry? That's cutting it a little fine! Any even vaguely intelligent design would have it able to be started very simply in event of primary failure. Come to think of it why didn't Max sabotage that engine too?

For a christmas special it was pretty dark and depressing. Runaway Bride was dark certainly in places, but this was so bleak. The overal message seemed to be "good people suffer, and in the end bad people (more businessman) always prosper." What kind of cheery christmas message is that?

The cheesy elements ranged from aweful to passable. The Angels flight might have been cool if the SFX hadn't looked so poor. £1,000,000 wouldn't go far at all in London, he'll be lucky to get a 12 x 12 cupboard to live in. If he doesn't appear later having done something exceptionally evil with his money I'll be disappointed, I had the feeling that all his niceness was a front. If kind of imagine him as a retired conman having escaped prison to lie low on the ship while executing his last big score....

This episode was everything I don't like about Russell T Davis, it wasn't nearly as funny as he thought it was. The writing was lazy, rolling out all the old cliches and not doing adding any fresh twist on them. Full of nonsense leaps of logic. The solutions, once again pure deus ex machina. I can't wait for him to hand over the reigns to someone else.

New theme, on first listen was a bit blah, why change it? It was great already. I suspect the answer might be so that for the S4 soundtrack they have some shiny new music to put on it rather than a repeat of the theme that people already have from previous soundtracks. Cynical I know, but that's the mood this ep put me in.

I think that this ties with the New York part one last season for my most hated episode ever.

The S4 trailer though was good, my fav part of the episode, that and the Torchwood trailer afterwards.

IMForeman
December 26th, 2007, 08:15 PM
Who did the voice of the Heavenly Host? Sounded very familiar. Ahh, the Ood Voice (among other things). Knew I knew it from somewhere.


Nope... sorry to say that you're mistaken here. The Ood were voiced by Silas Carson (Ki Andi Mundi from the Star Wars Prequels). The Host were voiced by either Colin McFarlane or Ewan Bailey, who were the only "alien voices" listed in the credits.

ShadowMaat
December 26th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Ahhh... I see where I went wrong. I saw that The Host was played by Paul Kasey and it never even crossed my mind that they meant the physical Host (and physical Ood) and that the Voices were separate. *hangs head* Ah well. Still sounded familiar. Kept wanting it to be a computer's voice from somewhere, but even that's wrong. Sigh. That happens to me more often than it should...

AvatarIII
December 27th, 2007, 02:55 AM
is it just me or were the hosts total rip offs of the "robots of death" from the old tom baker story?
http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/assets/2007/7/19/Robots_of_Death_DWTT.jpg

freetoken
December 27th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Not very favorably impressed with this episode, and that is in keeping with many of the recent episodes.

As someone noted above, too many characters in such a short time, and as such we don't get to know them and therefore cannot relate to them when they get into trouble (and die.)

The references to previous works (P. Adventure, Doug Adams, etc.) are cute, but not enough upon which to build a good show.

Dr. Who in recent times is overly formulaic - the Doctor as Savior in 38 minutes or less. Doctor runs through his three tools - sonic screwdriver, psychic paper, and his uttering some magic protocol (in this case "one".)

Etc.....

Dusk
December 27th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Most hated line and inference:

"I travel alone. It's best that way."

GRRRR. The Doctor is sexist, he only wants to travel with women and girly men. Mr Copper would have been fun for at least a few eps! Where are the straight male companions?? Why not have 3 TARDIS travelers instead of the humdrum 2?

This special is the weaker of the 3. Very silly in parts, and that's saying something for the usually camp Doctor Who!

I'm more interested in Torchwood Season 2 than Doctor Who Season 4.

ShadowMaat
December 27th, 2007, 05:56 AM
It bothered me that the Doctor wasn't willing to at least drop him off somewhere and I agree about Copper being good for a couple of eps. The Doctor could have helped to straighten out his understanding of Earth culture and history. ;)

Reefgirl
December 27th, 2007, 06:33 AM
is it just me or were the hosts total rip offs of the "robots of death" from the old tom baker story?
http://difference.weblog.glam.ac.uk/assets/2007/7/19/Robots_of_Death_DWTT.jpg

Nah, more like the Axons

Pitry
December 27th, 2007, 07:36 AM
Most hated line and inference:

"I travel alone. It's best that way."

GRRRR. The Doctor is sexist, he only wants to travel with women and girly men. Mr Copper would have been fun for at least a few eps! Where are the straight male companions?? Why not have 3 TARDIS travelers instead of the humdrum 2?

This special is the weaker of the 3. Very silly in parts, and that's saying something for the usually camp Doctor Who!

I'm more interested in Torchwood Season 2 than Doctor Who Season 4.

I didn't read it like that. I thought it was his reaction for losing Astrid - he already planned she'd be his next companion - and then she died, and, much liek after Rose, he probabyl decided that right now he doesn't want a companion - no one to risk but himself, no one to get attached to that would end up leaving him, like Martha and Jack jsut did, actually.

It's a shame tho. I'm looking forward to Donna as companio, but he was such a lovely silly old man,. and what a change it could have made to make him a companion! :D

Mmmm. As for my toughts on Voyage of the Damned. it might still change - I'm planning on rewatching today, and I know my second view opinion of Runaway Bride and Last of the Time Lords changed a lot with the second time.
But after the first view, yesterday... It was a fun episode, silly, cheesy and camp, light entertainment at its best - and lacked depth.
RTD went for big. USA big, sort of way. Granted, he didn't fall even half as hard as other productions who fall into thaty trap (doing my best not to look at Stargate and Ark of Truth at this point...) but he lost his biggest strength in Doctor Who - the human angle. The story didn't really touch me.
As for casting - I haev to admit I enjoyed all of the characters... with the exception of Astid. And yes, I blame the casting of Kylie Minogue on this. I'd have said something about her being a much better singer than actress but TBH, I'm not a big fan of hers as a singer, either. But she's just an average actress. Which stands out for miles in Doctor Who, where all the other characters are brilliantly cast. So, as a result, I didn't really feel for her - which might have ruined a bit the experience for me.
The rest of the characters were entertaining... the set up was silly and fun. Again, as I said, I don't care much for the big and flashy - whether it's Doctor ho, Stargate - or Stardust, actually, which I thought lost the best part of the book by making it grand and flashy, but as big adn flashy things go, this is the way to go. I still think the best Christmas special was the christmas Invasion. Less flash, more substance.
I'll refrain from commenting about the Christian imagery :P

Mmm. what esle, what else... The Christmas traiditons! ha! Hilarious. As was the part where al of London's inhabitants have deserted it after the two last Christmas(es?).... The Host were brilliant! As was the bit with the questions. "Can I start again?" "Information: No." hehehe.

sigh - bring on series 4! Well, Torchwood's second series, then season 4!

IMForeman
December 27th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Most hated line and inference:

"I travel alone. It's best that way."

GRRRR. The Doctor is sexist, he only wants to travel with women and girly men. Mr Copper would have been fun for at least a few eps! Where are the straight male companions?? Why not have 3 TARDIS travelers instead of the humdrum 2?

.

You're totally not getting it. If Astrid had survived, he would have welcomed Mr. Copper on board. The reason he's back in "I travel alone" mode is because Astrid died. He promised to save her, but she died. And she didn't just die at random... she died for him... because of him. He's been made gun shy by loss again, like he was when he met Martha.

Klenotka
December 27th, 2007, 09:52 AM
It reminded Poseidon movie but I honestly don´t care since it was better than the last Peterson´s Poseidon movie :D It was sad, thought.
I think I wouldn´t mind if the Special were a little longer because killing of two characters after 20 minutes didn´t make me to feel sorry for them. But all characters were very likeable and I liked them all.
But, I was sorry later :( Especially for Astrid. It was really sad. But I think it would be unusual for her to stay, and doctor has always companions from Earth.
I loved the lines this year. I enjoyed a bit more than a Bride last year, even bc of xmas atmosphere (last year was very obvious the hot summer). I think his "I am the Doctor, a Timelord from Gallifrey..." was amazing line, then "Information: You are all going to die." or "42" and the queen! "Thank you doctor and happy Christmas" :lol: Those were good. :D
David looked hot! I can´t say I think about him as about hot and sexy, but he looked so great. He looked like James Bond in some places, especially with the burning ship behind his back ;)

I was a bit worried about Kylie Minogue but she was fine. She didn´t try to prove "I can act, too!" but was nice and likeable. To bad we didn´t have a chance to know her Astrid better.

I didn´t get the point in the end about the bad guy. It was obvious who is it so...it wasn´t meant to suprise us or it was just bad written?

I like the new credits and music. CGI were also great.

I can´t wait S4, and what I saw in the trailer, it looks great. And I really like Donna, so I am not worried as I was in S3. :)

In the meantime, Torchwood!

Trek_Girl42
December 27th, 2007, 11:42 AM
Great fun ep! Though I ended up watching half yesterday morning, and half yesterday afternoon- blame boxing day sales! :P So I really need to sit down and watch it all at once.

Loved Mr. Copper- I hope we see him again some time. It was a little darker than I expected but overall a very good Christmas special- best one yet. Though the queen made me roll my eyes. :P I loved the part where Mr. Copper was explaining about Christmas. There were definitely some good laughs in this one. And the people of London got smart! Yay them! :D

And the new theme music! :eek: I am absolutely in love with it, probably listened a couple dozen times by now. Wow. I think I like it even better than the previous one! :D

Reefgirl
December 27th, 2007, 11:56 AM
I was a bit worried about Kylie Minogue but she was fine. She didn´t try to prove "I can act, too!" but was nice and likeable. To bad we didn´t have a chance to know her Astrid better.
As an older person on this thread let me point out that Kylie was an actress long before her singing career took over and can I also say that Dr Who must have one hell of a reputation to get her back on screen after 20 years

ShadowMaat
December 27th, 2007, 12:00 PM
I was LMAO when Astrid grabbed the first aid kit so she could stand on it and kiss the Doctor. The kissing thing itself was a bit tacky, but as a short person I did appreciate the humor of the height difference. ;)

Gregorius
December 27th, 2007, 01:58 PM
I was LMAO when Astrid grabbed the first aid kit so she could stand on it and kiss the Doctor. The kissing thing itself was a bit tacky, but as a short person I did appreciate the humor of the height difference. ;)

That was indeed a very funny scene. :D Just as the scenes where the Doctor can finally say the two things he always wanted to say.

Doctor: "Take me to your leader. I always wanted to say that."

Doctor: "What's your first name?"
Frame: "Alono." (The face the Doctor pulls is priceless)
Doctor: "You're kidding me."
Frame: "What?"
Doctor: "There is something else I always wanted to say. Allons-y Alonso"

I also like the scene where he answers who he is and the way Astrid butchers the names a few minutes later. :p

As for the episode itself, it was good and not to mention very amusing. Also, the poor Tenth Doctor, he always seems to fall for blondes who either die or become unacessable. :p

Alipeeps
December 27th, 2007, 05:05 PM
And how come there wasn't enough power to reconstitute her but teleport the Doctor and old man away? Okay that could be explained by some technoguff about the reconstruction process being a massive consumer of power, but that doesn't really work. If that was the case, reconstructing anyone who teleports would take the same power.
And! If she was being reconstructed from the memory banks how come she was "falling"? I have a vague rememberence that there might have been a line that said the wristband was where the memory was stored, but surely it would have been destroyed and I'm not convinced that made sense anyway.
At the rate he's losing companions maybe he really wold be best off on his own! If I were him I'd definately take a few years off anyway!


It wasn't that there wasn't enough power, My Copper said that it (the system which stores the atoms of someone if there is an accident while they are wearing the teleporter wristband) was just too badly damaged.. there wasn't enough information stored to be able to bring her back properly. The system saves the person's biosignature etc etc at the moment of - or, presumably, just before - death in the event of an accident.. that's why the little bit of Astrid they managed to bring back kept saying she was falling... she was a memory of Astrid's last moments, essentially.

Trek_Girl42
December 27th, 2007, 05:16 PM
I was LMAO when Astrid grabbed the first aid kit so she could stand on it and kiss the Doctor. The kissing thing itself was a bit tacky, but as a short person I did appreciate the humor of the height difference. ;)
I loved that bit- if she had just kissed the Doctor that would have been ugh not again, however that moment with the first aid kit more than made up for it. :P :D

KiLL3r
December 27th, 2007, 07:58 PM
Loved the episode.

First thoughts

The intro song was terrible, i hope they only did it for that episode because if i have to listen to that everytime i shall kill myself.

The overall episode was nice thou i wish the fat people had survived instead of the arrogant business man.


Only thing i am worried about now is the sneak peak at the next season. I absolutely despise Catherine tate, i hope she isnt in all the episodes.

Reefgirl
December 28th, 2007, 01:15 AM
That was indeed a very funny scene. :D Just as the scenes where the Doctor can finally say the two things he always wanted to say.

Doctor: "Take me to your leader. I always wanted to say that."

Doctor: "What's your first name?"
Frame: "Alono." (The face the Doctor pulls is priceless)
Doctor: "You're kidding me."
Frame: "What?"
Doctor: "There is something else I always wanted to say. Allons-y Alonso"


I giggled my way through that too, I wonder who the McLaren fan is?


Only thing i am worried about now is the sneak peak at the next season. I absolutely despise Catherine tate, i hope she isnt in all the episodes.

Every episode, she is the new companion after all

Gregorius
December 28th, 2007, 01:49 AM
As an older person on this thread let me point out that Kylie was an actress long before her singing career took over and can I also say that Dr Who must have one hell of a reputation to get her back on screen after 20 years

Her acting was, in my opinion, the worst in the episode but perhaps that's because she's become rusty after 20 years (Didn't she play in Neighbours or something?).


Loved Mr. Copper- I hope we see him again some time. It was a little darker than I expected but overall a very good Christmas special- best one yet. Though the queen made me roll my eyes. :P I loved the part where Mr. Copper was explaining about Christmas. There were definitely some good laughs in this one. And the people of London got smart! Yay them! :D


Mr. Copper, he's great. I was laughing my arse off when he was telling about christmas and the traditions, especially when he got one right (The Angels can fly). :D He should be a companion to the Doctor for a few episodes. :D

Reefgirl
December 28th, 2007, 02:18 AM
Mr Copper was Richard Bucket in a different suit, he was good but not spectacular

Klenotka
December 28th, 2007, 03:04 AM
As an older person on this thread let me point out that Kylie was an actress long before her singing career took over and can I also say that Dr Who must have one hell of a reputation to get her back on screen after 20 years

Yeah, I know that. It´s just that most people doesn´t know so she might have tried to "prove" something. I am glad she didn´t.
Dr. Who has big reputation, I guess. I think lots of US writers could learn there how to make a sci-fi show *cough*Mallozzi and Mullie*cough*

Willow'sCat
December 31st, 2007, 07:53 PM
As an older person on this thread let me point out that Kylie was an actress long before her singing career took over and can I also say that Dr Who must have one hell of a reputation to get her back on screen after 20 yearsLOL As an Australian on this thread let me tell you what you call acting and what I call acting... two different things! :p Kylie only really impressed me in "The Henderson Kids" as far as acting goes; but then I was only 13.

Admiral Mappalazarou
January 1st, 2008, 10:37 AM
So wait - what was with the Doctor saying 'You should see me in the mornings...' and Astrid goes 'Okay.' and then he looks slightly shocked by it?

Alipeeps
January 1st, 2008, 11:26 AM
So wait - what was with the Doctor saying 'You should see me in the mornings...' and Astrid goes 'Okay.' and then he looks slightly shocked by it?

She said he looks good for 903 and he joked, "You should see me in the mornings," a throwaway comment to suggest he doesn't look quite so good when he first gets up and she says, "Okay," kind of taking it as an invitation.. that yes, she'd like to be in a position to see him in the mornings. And he looks a little taken aback by that/unprepared for that and she looks a little shocked by what she's said and they both quickly find something else to talk about! :lol:

Admiral Mappalazarou
January 1st, 2008, 04:04 PM
Ah right. Its just that in one of the BBC trailers it really focused on it, complete with the Doctor's Theme playing...sort of as if it were hinting at something.

DigiFluid
January 1st, 2008, 05:27 PM
Really enjoyed it, with the exception of the god-farking-awful butchery of the theme song.

I was expecting Kylie Minogue to be terrible, but ended up actually enjoying her performance. The fat couple (sorry about that, but I can't remember their names and that's the easiest way to describe them) were just wonderful and their deaths rather upsetting.

The rich guy made richer by the entire catastrophe--did anyone notice that he served zero purpose in the entire episode? No important dialogue, no important plot point beyond a passing line later in the episode, not even any compelling character archetype. All he did was make money off the venture. I've done my best to avoid spoilers so I don't really know, but this makes me suspect his return in some capacity. I don't know, maybe I'm just grasping at straws.


Clive Swift was the best bit, with his fabulous stories of the horrors of Christmas.

This. Best part of the entire episode.





Oh, and why have we got this in the series 29/3 folder? Don't we normally count Christmas specials as the first episode of the coming series?

ShadowMaat
January 1st, 2008, 05:42 PM
I assume that Darren doesn't want to create an entire folder for one ep and then leave it gaping there for months until S4 starts up properly. At which point Darren will no doubt create a new folder and move this thread into it. :)

As for Kylie, I guess being an American has come in handy again: I don't have any sort of negative history or lowered expectations surrounding her. Or Catherine Tate. Although at least I'd actually heard of Kylie before now. :D Mostly, I think, because there was a character somewhere who was called Kylie and I liked it so much I did a bit of research to find out more about it.

Madeleine
January 1st, 2008, 10:02 PM
The rich guy made richer by the entire catastrophe--did anyone notice that he served zero purpose in the entire episode? No important dialogue, no important plot point beyond a passing line later in the episode, not even any compelling character archetype. All he did was make money off the venture. I've done my best to avoid spoilers so I don't really know, but this makes me suspect his return in some capacity. I don't know, maybe I'm just grasping at straws.

I reckon his purpose was to set up the brief exchange between Clive swift and the Doctor about how if you were to choose who lived and who died you'd be a monster. There was a really rather chilling look on the Doctor's face at that point.

Alipeeps
January 2nd, 2008, 04:26 AM
Oh, and why have we got this in the series 29/3 folder? Don't we normally count Christmas specials as the first episode of the coming series?

I thought that too but here on GW all the Christmas specials seem to be included in the folder of the preceding season. The Beeb certainly counts them as being part of the the season that follows them (at least, in their DVD boxsets they do) but GW seems to prefer to view them as the final episode of the preceding season?


I reckon his purpose was to set up the brief exchange between Clive swift and the Doctor about how if you were to choose who lived and who died you'd be a monster. There was a really rather chilling look on the Doctor's face at that point.

That was my thought too.

CassandraSGA
January 2nd, 2008, 06:22 AM
I enjoyed this eps - I missed the opening bit so I can't comment on the song. I really hope - whatever it sounds like - they stick to the Who theme.
I thought Kylie did a good job; her character was so likeable but I figured from the start that she wouldn't make it - I can't see a mega star working as a Dr Who companion for the next year. A pity.
As for Catherine Tate...Hmmm, I must say I'm not her biggest fan, but to my surprise I enjoyed her in last yr's special, so it might work out. In any event, she's not in every eps since Martha will apparently be appearing as well. I'm very disappointed that Martha isn't on every week. I think she's the best companion of all.

P-90_177
January 5th, 2008, 08:15 AM
Well now that I'm back and have the Internet again I can finally say what I thought of this ep.

I thought t was brilliant. Better than last years christmas special. Actually i think it's the best of the three. Astrid made a great companion though i was a bit disaponted she wasn't the emodiment of the TARDIS but oh well. Have to say though........what is it with the doctor and blondes? I mean there was Rose....not much needs to be said on their relationship there.......then he had no interest in Martha, then he actually seemed really interested in astrid.......ah well. But yeah I thought it was alot of fun. The CGI seems to have gone up a notch with the views of the titanic and all the characters were great..........killer robots maybe getting a bit old though.

Pitry
January 5th, 2008, 01:06 PM
I reckon his purpose was to set up the brief exchange between Clive swift and the Doctor about how if you were to choose who lived and who died you'd be a monster. There was a really rather chilling look on the Doctor's face at that point.

Not just the specific comment, but the situation - I thionk he's there to break the mould of "good guys live, bad guys die/ redeem themsevles and become good guys." He's there to make that comment necessary.

There was a chilling look on his face, but I feel it was - partially - because that comment hit a bit too close for comfort. The Doctor, even if not by choice, does often end up deciding who's going to live and who's going to die - even if his default preference is "everybody lives!".

Scoobing
January 9th, 2008, 08:00 PM
My fave bit:

Rickston Slade: Hang on a minute. Who put you in charge? And who in the hell are you anyway?

The Doctor: I'm the Doctor. [Cue swelling orchestral music] I'm a Time Lord. I'm from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old, and I'm the man who's gonna save your lives and all six billion people on the planet below. You got a problem with that?

Slade: No.

The Doctor: In that case... Allons-y!

Flyboy
January 10th, 2008, 02:42 AM
Must the Doctor insist on lying about his age? He is in no way 903. He is at least 1000. Honestly, he's as bad as a woman!

(That last part is a joke)

P-90_177
January 10th, 2008, 02:49 AM
Must the Doctor insist on lying about his age? He is in no way 903. He is at least 1000. Honestly, he's as bad as a woman!

(That last part is a joke)

well i was told sylvester mccoys doctor said he was 900 so that's lieing about your age by........well alot.

ShadowMaat
January 10th, 2008, 06:20 AM
Maybe it's like women always saying they're 29- the Doctor always says he's 900 (give or take a few years). :P

Reefgirl
January 10th, 2008, 08:07 AM
Must the Doctor insist on lying about his age? He is in no way 903. He is at least 1000. Honestly, he's as bad as a woman!

(That last part is a joke)

Hey, I'm 40 this year and it doesn't me at all

Flyboy
January 10th, 2008, 11:30 AM
I know I know. But it's an old cliche that a woman always lies about her age.

Madeleine
January 10th, 2008, 11:34 AM
Or maybe it's like me: I can never remember how old I am so I say "thirty-[random digit]" and hope I wasn't more than a couple of years off. If it matters, I have to start by remembering what year it is and subtracting the year I was born, and subtracting another year if if's before November. Too much hassle, I seldom care enough to bother.

I think the Doctor is to be commended for saying his approximate age without having to pause and look thoughtful. That would have given his "I'm the Doctor... anyone have a problem with that?" speech rather less impact :D

ShadowMaat
January 10th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Of course, you could also take the perspective that after 900 years, do specifics really matter? ;)

Alipeeps
January 11th, 2008, 05:14 AM
Or maybe he was just knocking a few years off to impress the pretty blonde.. ;) :lol:

P-90_177
January 11th, 2008, 05:19 AM
Or maybe he was just knocking a few years off to impress the pretty blonde.. ;) :lol:

well astrid was proof..........the doctor has a thing for blondes.

Pitry
January 13th, 2008, 06:57 AM
He's havnig a mid life crisis. It's like 40 for people... he can't get himself to admit he's over 1000.

Poor bloke.

:D

Scoobing
January 13th, 2008, 08:41 PM
A four-digit age is a pretty big milestone!

:)

Willow'sCat
January 18th, 2008, 05:03 PM
But is it canon to say he is closer to 1000 then to 900? I still think the canon on this is weak at best, I have no problem with him rounding down to an even century. ;):)

I bet The Face of Boe lied about his age all the time. :p

Raven56
February 14th, 2008, 02:12 PM
Or maybe it's like me: I can never remember how old I am so I say "thirty-[random digit]" and hope I wasn't more than a couple of years off. If it matters, I have to start by remembering what year it is and subtracting the year I was born, and subtracting another year if if's before November.

:lol: I have to do the same thing!!!

Darkglasses
February 19th, 2008, 08:09 PM
Ok so Voyage was decent! But shouldn't it be considered part of series 4 (season 30) rather than series 3 (29)???
And how do we ask for a season 30 section?

Yes so anyway: Voyage of the Damned...

I liked Kylie in this a lot! She was under-used IMO

Possibly the best Christmas episode so far!

nx01a
February 21st, 2008, 07:40 PM
London evacuated for Christmas. Who says humans aren't smart?:D

SGalisa
April 19th, 2008, 09:05 AM
Since I'd better post about the little things first...
Firstly, it took me a while to find this "thread"... I knew it existed, but no one posted in it last night..! At the time of this writing, even Sarah Jane's topic is still in sleeping mode.. :eek:


My first thought was Davros... But, ah well.



All in all I loved it, the Hosts were't that scarey and who else yelled DAVROS!!!!!!!!!!! when they saw Max Capricorn.


Davros was definitely my very *first* impression, when the cart started creeping towards the Doctor (great filming suspense technique -- make us who've seen previous eps *think* for a few moments =). But then when Max showed up -- Max Headroom?? ehhh...? nah.. close, but not quite. :p

As for those angelic hosts -- they reminded me of another robot type - perhaps an early prototype that I think was in an Ace companion ep... or the
Androids of Tara? Vague memory...

Obviously, the Titanic name had me thinking in other directions, and *definitely NOT* in space nor into the future, nor from another planet, until I saw the "angel" creatures, etc...
but the Titanic flying around earth reminded me of the space-aged technologies in Enlightment, with all of those other sailing vessels that sailed on the solar winds instead of the ocean seas. Clever on the engine exhaust ports being located underneath the ship, where the rudders might usually be... :)



What did they do to the theme tune?! That was unbelievably bad (the tune I mean not the ep).

omg! gads!! (the intro theme song music) definitely something NOT quite right there... sounded like a messed up orchestration. I think the last theme had the best orchestration, but this one put some awfully *sour* notes and nonsense into it, like a child just learning how to play an instrument for the first time. Blech!!

Please -- I hope they change it back and soon! :(
I know ever since Doctor #1 (during the William Hartnell 1960's years/days) the theme song and visual mix has been almost annually experimented with; and it's had its intriguing and great moments during the *classic* D'WHO years. Better versions came along during Doctors #5 thru early #10. But now, I was so focused on hearing what was wrong or *different* with the muddled mess, that I forgot about the video picture sequences that came with it. And since the ending themes always get chopped off for commercial advertising heard instead of the actual theme music, it wasn't possible to figure out how much different the theme had changed into.

I do know that the music heard on Sci-Fi (USA version of) commercials just sounds awful... hoped the theme was better, and it was, but only slightly until the muddled musical mess came. And actually, I'm not sure if improving on the previous theme (for Seasons 27/1, 28/2 and early 29/3) needed improving. But this version definitely needs better fine tuning... *puleeeze* ;)

MasySyma
April 19th, 2008, 09:16 AM
Fantastic! A Great Episode!

I enjoyed the hommage to the Posieden Adventure (and other disaster movies), and I was sorry to see several of the character die, including Astrid.

I really don't have any complaints; I enjoyed the beginning, middle, and end, and DT and everyone else concerned did a great job. I even liked it enough to find something else to watch for an hour just to see it a second time.

Flyboy
April 24th, 2008, 01:51 AM
Since I'd better post about the little things first...
Firstly, it took me a while to find this "thread"... I knew it existed, but no one posted in it last night..! At the time of this writing, even Sarah Jane's topic is still in sleeping mode.. :eek:




Davros was definitely my very *first* impression, when the cart started creeping towards the Doctor (great filming suspense technique -- make us who've seen previous eps *think* for a few moments =). But then when Max showed up -- Max Headroom?? ehhh...? nah.. close, but not quite. :p

As for those angelic hosts -- they reminded me of another robot type - perhaps an early prototype that I think was in an Ace companion ep... or the
Androids of Tara? Vague memory...

Obviously, the Titanic name had me thinking in other directions, and *definitely NOT* in space nor into the future, nor from another planet, until I saw the "angel" creatures, etc...
but the Titanic flying around earth reminded me of the space-aged technologies in Enlightment, with all of those other sailing vessels that sailed on the solar winds instead of the ocean seas. Clever on the engine exhaust ports being located underneath the ship, where the rudders might usually be... :)




omg! gads!! (the intro theme song music) definitely something NOT quite right there... sounded like a messed up orchestration. I think the last theme had the best orchestration, but this one put some awfully *sour* notes and nonsense into it, like a child just learning how to play an instrument for the first time. Blech!!

Please -- I hope they change it back and soon! :(
I know ever since Doctor #1 (during the William Hartnell 1960's years/days) the theme song and visual mix has been almost annually experimented with; and it's had its intriguing and great moments during the *classic* D'WHO years. Better versions came along during Doctors #5 thru early #10. But now, I was so focused on hearing what was wrong or *different* with the muddled mess, that I forgot about the video picture sequences that came with it. And since the ending themes always get chopped off for commercial advertising heard instead of the actual theme music, it wasn't possible to figure out how much different the theme had changed into.

I do know that the music heard on Sci-Fi (USA version of) commercials just sounds awful... hoped the theme was better, and it was, but only slightly until the muddled musical mess came. And actually, I'm not sure if improving on the previous theme (for Seasons 27/1, 28/2 and early 29/3) needed improving. But this version definitely needs better fine tuning... *puleeeze* ;)
You're thinking of the Third Doctor story: The Claws of Axos, where the Axons look identical to the heavenly hosts, minus robes and wings.

SGalisa
May 4th, 2008, 06:25 PM
You're thinking of the Third Doctor story: The Claws of Axos, where the Axons look identical to the heavenly hosts, minus robes and wings.

Thank you, and sorry it took so long to get back in here... (been super busy -- yikes!) ;)
Actually, I thought in Claws of Axos, the Axon faces were painted gold (and had wigs for hair, instead of the hair being part of the facial mask, too. But in the "Voyage of the Damned," it seemed that the bottom half of the "hosts" jaws were separate from the top half of their face, and very, very rigid (the mouths never moved), as if the whole thing was one unmovable construction piece -- and both halves made a rather stiff facial mask on both the top and bottom. Plus, their hair was built directly into the same top half of the facial mask unit (thus making the actor wearing all that gear get rather *warm* inside). ...ummm, details... :p

Usually, in most of the sci-fi shows, like Star Trek and some SG-1's, the alien faces were being created so that they could at least semi-move their jaws with more ease, if the top half of their faces were made super rigid. But sometimes, yah never know what's going to show up on Doctor Who... :D

Coco Pops
June 30th, 2008, 09:09 PM
We've only just had this episode here in Australia.


I hated the theme tune. What in the hell did they do mangling that?

I loved the design of the Titanic... Kylie wasn't nearly as annoying as I would have hoped...... Why has she done promo pictures with Daleks (re: other thread I made in the Dr. Who section) as if I expected Daleks to be in this show seeing those promo pictures.

I thought the episode was actually quite fun. Surprised by Mr. Copper. I nearly doubled over in shock. Expected Hyacinth to pop out at any moment to act all posh.... Fans of "Keeping Up Appearances" will know what I mean.

One thing that did bug me was the ending. It might have been in bad taste but that near miss with the ship over Buckingham Palace would have been better had they sliced off through the roof. It looked a bit out of scale...

OMG the queen likes the Doctor.. Since when?

Overall I loved it. I can't wait for the boxset.

Coco Pops
June 30th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Ooh also while I'm at it what an easy way to patch the TARDIS up???

If the ship collided with the TARDIS does that mean had we seen outside it would have been penetrating the outside police box shape???

Hasn't this sort of thing happened once before in an old story?

Pharaoh Atem
November 18th, 2008, 09:04 AM
brilliant ep

i loved the whole i'm a 903 year old timelord line. pretty much the doctor telling the people to shut up and let him do what he does best.

also nice not to be on earth unlike the past two specials

gateship15
November 19th, 2008, 01:21 AM
i agree. i love this episode

Coco Pops
November 19th, 2008, 03:38 AM
Another good moment was the queen saying "thankyou Doctor" which was a bit of a change since the last queen of England he met wanted his head.

Pharaoh Atem
November 20th, 2008, 06:46 AM
Another good moment was the queen saying "thankyou Doctor" which was a bit of a change since the last queen of England he met wanted his head.

that was funny

gateship15
November 20th, 2008, 09:48 PM
lol yes that was fantastic

Coco Pops
November 21st, 2008, 12:40 AM
We had Dr. Who Confidential after this episode and they said that a lot of churches objected to the scene where the Angels lifted the Doctor up, but later after it was so popular they started using the same images..

Anyone confirm if that was true?

MmmmMcKAy
November 21st, 2008, 05:29 PM
I don't like the altered theme music as much as the old one.

Not an amazing Christmas Special but I still enjoyed it. Most of the secondary characters were good.

Boaddicea
May 7th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Finally having seen the uneditted version, the DVD set, it is a better episode than I expected. I enjoyed the scripting and acting. The effects were great, and din't overwhelm the story.
I've enjoyed this Special much more than The Next Doctor.

gateship15
May 8th, 2009, 07:15 AM
i must watch this again it was a great episode

beale947
June 3rd, 2009, 09:27 AM
Something I just got watching it again... when there talking about what Christmas is about:

Astrid: What's this Christmas thing about?

Doctor: Long Story.... I should know, I was there... I got the last room.

:p

P-90_177
June 3rd, 2009, 10:17 AM
brilliant ep

i loved the whole i'm a 903 year old timelord line. pretty much the doctor telling the people to shut up and let him do what he does best.

also nice not to be on earth unlike the past two specials

Of course he is lieing about his age.

gateship15
June 4th, 2009, 04:58 AM
lol of course

Cold Fuzz
January 29th, 2010, 11:24 PM
Watched Voyage of the Damned for the first time last night. Like everybody else, I picked up on the Poseidon Adventure similarities and quickly remembered why I liked that movie so much. ;) The Doc definitely lost a lot of people in this one. :( With everything that happened with the Harold Saxon/Master trilogy right before this, the Doc is really getting hammered with crises that result in body counts. :S

Some points I really liked:

* Astrid. If Kylie Minogue had time to do a season of DW... :cameron: Sadly not, meant to be though.
* Midshipman Alonso Frame. He looks just like a friend of mine who's a ranger. :eek: Very duty-minded as well, so great character. :cool: Hope to see Frame again down the road.
* Interesting religious imagery of the Doctor being hoisted up by two angels. Definitely adds to his savior image.
* Remixed opening music
* The Doctor's "I'm a Time Lord..." speech. :cameron:

gateship15
January 31st, 2010, 11:11 PM
i love this episode its fantastic

Coco Pops
February 1st, 2010, 04:24 PM
I like the ending how Astrid flies away...... Maybe she became a tardis.

gateship15
February 1st, 2010, 08:08 PM
lol maybe

Jacquelyn
November 17th, 2010, 06:54 AM
brilliant ep

i loved the whole i'm a 903 year old timelord line. pretty much the doctor telling the people to shut up and let him do what he does best.

also nice not to be on earth unlike the past two specials

Haha yea I loved that too :P

maneth
May 1st, 2013, 06:15 AM
Watched Voyage of the Damned for the first time last night. Like everybody else, I picked up on the Poseidon Adventure similarities and quickly remembered why I liked that movie so much. ;) The Doc definitely lost a lot of people in this one. :( With everything that happened with the Harold Saxon/Master trilogy right before this, the Doc is really getting hammered with crises that result in body counts. :S

Some points I really liked:

* Astrid. If Kylie Minogue had time to do a season of DW... :cameron: Sadly not, meant to be though.
* Midshipman Alonso Frame. He looks just like a friend of mine who's a ranger. :eek: Very duty-minded as well, so great character. :cool: Hope to see Frame again down the road.
* Interesting religious imagery of the Doctor being hoisted up by two angels. Definitely adds to his savior image.
* Remixed opening music
* The Doctor's "I'm a Time Lord..." speech. :cameron:

Agreed on all counts except the remixed opening music... Frame was cool. I enjoyed the story, even though it didn't exactly feel like Christmas...