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Mister Oragahn
December 10th, 2007, 07:17 PM
It is retarded.

A ship hovering a hundred meters above the city, and pretending to be destroying the whole place with pathetic attacks, and pretending to destroy a whole bunch of nanites with small explosives, is stupid.

Especially when the Asurans know full well that's precisely how they survived (yeah, that aspect of the plot wasn't painful to watch one year ago).

They could... wait, strike that. They should have buried the whole city from space with an impressive, and actually much necessary demonstration of firepower.

I'd have expected that TPTB would not reproduce the nonsense seen in Progeny, but that was asking too much.

Oh, besides, bravo for the drones which can't strike straight, missing Weir and John several times, or which failed to destroy a puddle jumper in one shot.

Why the hell anytime they try to build characters, they completely ruin any attempt at suspending disbelief?

:S

Jill_Ion
December 10th, 2007, 07:21 PM
Having a bad day?

Detox
December 10th, 2007, 11:12 PM
Maybe they pulled CG budget from TMC and sent it over to BAMSR.

Avenger
December 10th, 2007, 11:48 PM
The Ancients have never been shown to have energy weapons on their ships. Aurora class ships have drones. Showing the ships to have any other kind of weapons would be "retarded", as you so eloquently but it.

npd2004
December 10th, 2007, 11:53 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments regarding the weakness of the drones. If the Asurans knew that the drones would have such a weak effect on the fake Atlantis, couldn't they have just dropped a nuke? Would have more effective, and a heck of a lot more potent than what looked like catapult level damage to the city.

Not_Fazed
December 11th, 2007, 12:03 AM
It is retarded.

A ship hovering a hundred meters above the city, and pretending to be destroying the whole place with pathetic attacks, and pretending to destroy a whole bunch of nanites with small explosives, is stupid.

Especially when the Asurans know full well that's precisely how they survived (yeah, that aspect of the plot wasn't painful to watch one year ago).

They could... wait, strike that. They should have buried the whole city from space with an impressive, and actually much necessary demonstration of firepower.

I'd have expected that TPTB would not reproduce the nonsense seen in Progeny, but that was asking too much.

Oh, besides, bravo for the drones which can't strike straight, missing Weir and John several times, or which failed to destroy a puddle jumper in one shot.

Why the hell anytime they try to build characters, they completely ruin any attempt at suspending disbelief?

:S

I had problems with the attack too...

As the warship fired on the fake Atlantis it literally did so in dribs and drabs, almost like warning shots. I've seen puddle jumpers attack more aggressively!

Compare that to when we are in control of an Aurora class warship and you clearly see the difference - a stream of drones arcing in and out of an enemy target over and over until it explodes.

As you correctly point out, even a full bombardment from a single Aurora would not be enough to destroy all the individual nanites. They should of had a whole fleet firing hundreds of drones down from orbit. If the FX budget was limited then they should have just ditched the painful scene showing drones somehow missing Sheppard and Teyla and put the cash to more believable use.

The only real reason they didn't show such an attack, and also why the fake Atlantis needed to have low power and therefore no shields is simple. They needed time for the fake team to escape alive for the plot to progress.

SGFerrit
December 11th, 2007, 03:50 AM
I seriously don't think the Asuran drones are as good as the proper Ancient ones. They aren't controlled by the mind, so IMO they will be less manueverable and less powerful, and won't be fired as rapidly. It has been shown that certain people can control the drones better than others, but as these are most likely just automated they won't be as good.

That's my theory anyway.

The_Carpenter
December 11th, 2007, 04:01 AM
It is retarded.

A ship hovering a hundred meters above the city, and pretending to be destroying the whole place with pathetic attacks, and pretending to destroy a whole bunch of nanites with small explosives, is stupid.

Especially when the Asurans know full well that's precisely how they survived (yeah, that aspect of the plot wasn't painful to watch one year ago).

They could... wait, strike that. They should have buried the whole city from space with an impressive, and actually much necessary demonstration of firepower.

I'd have expected that TPTB would not reproduce the nonsense seen in Progeny, but that was asking too much.

Oh, besides, bravo for the drones which can't strike straight, missing Weir and John several times, or which failed to destroy a puddle jumper in one shot.

Why the hell anytime they try to build characters, they completely ruin any attempt at suspending disbelief?

:S

As for the puddle jumper it possible the Asurans wanted to capture the dupliteam, especially as first drone that hit the jumper clipped the engine pod forcing the Jumper down.

wise one
December 11th, 2007, 06:10 AM
depends on how many toothpicks you had, maybe a few trillion diamond sharp one would do it lol

Mister Oragahn
December 11th, 2007, 07:03 AM
The Ancients have never been shown to have energy weapons on their ships. Aurora class ships have drones. Showing the ships to have any other kind of weapons would be "retarded", as you so eloquently but it.

Huh, I've posted images of impressive turrets covered both sides of an Aurora since season 2.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/albumuser/sg/Aurora_class_cannons_1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/albumuser/sg/Aurora_class_cannons_2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/albumuser/sg/Aurora_class_cannons_3.jpg

If you pay your artists to build models with turrets, maybe one day, you'd actually think about... err... using these weapons?

Oh but yes, get ready for the Kindred.
All systems go. Ready to throw blue, yellow and white subsonic crap at ranges of two kilometers top.
:rolleyes:

Even drones are capable of orbital ranges anyway. Even a damn puddle jumper can fire in the high atmosphere and blast a poor soul on the ground.







I had problems with the attack too...

As the warship fired on the fake Atlantis it literally did so in dribs and drabs, almost like warning shots. I've seen puddle jumpers attack more aggressively!

Compare that to when we are in control of an Aurora class warship and you clearly see the difference - a stream of drones arcing in and out of an enemy target over and over until it explodes.

As you correctly point out, even a full bombardment from a single Aurora would not be enough to destroy all the individual nanites. They should of had a whole fleet firing hundreds of drones down from orbit. If the FX budget was limited then they should have just ditched the painful scene showing drones somehow missing Sheppard and Teyla and put the cash to more believable use.

The only real reason they didn't show such an attack, and also why the fake Atlantis needed to have low power and therefore no shields is simple. They needed time for the fake team to escape alive for the plot to progress.

I can find you a thousand ways to emulate a sort of nuke-like boom boom on the city just by reusing old footage and adding a few effects.
Take an Aurora orbiting a planet. I'm sure they have plenty of stock footage of such things. Add pwee pwee sounds and show blue stuff fired at the planet.
Take your random image of Atlantis, briefly show a blue streak hitting the city, and immediately paint the whole screen white.
Take it back to space, same shot with the orbiting Aurora, and paste a large white blooming spot on the surface of the planet.

Hard, isn't it?





I seriously don't think the Asuran drones are as good as the proper Ancient ones. They aren't controlled by the mind, so IMO they will be less manueverable and less powerful, and won't be fired as rapidly. It has been shown that certain people can control the drones better than others, but as these are most likely just automated they won't be as good.

That's my theory anyway.

McKay had no problem to pilot a drone in The Tower with his sort of laptop. The drone executed a very tight 90 at an impressive speed.

Ah, yes, I also forgot that one. Asuran drones are (necessarily) slow.

air200d
December 11th, 2007, 11:31 AM
I had problems with the attack too...

As the warship fired on the fake Atlantis it literally did so in dribs and drabs, almost like warning shots. I've seen puddle jumpers attack more aggressively!

Compare that to when we are in control of an Aurora class warship and you clearly see the difference - a stream of drones arcing in and out of an enemy target over and over until it explodes.

As you correctly point out, even a full bombardment from a single Aurora would not be enough to destroy all the individual nanites. They should of had a whole fleet firing hundreds of drones down from orbit. If the FX budget was limited then they should have just ditched the painful scene showing drones somehow missing Sheppard and Teyla and put the cash to more believable use.

The only real reason they didn't show such an attack, and also why the fake Atlantis needed to have low power and therefore no shields is simple. They needed time for the fake team to escape alive for the plot to progress.


I dont think they wanted to completely destroy the city, just get most of the replicators, so that they could reintigrate them in to the collective

jonty-comp
December 11th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Won't these replicators be stored in the central data core thing? Like how Oberoth managed to survive the city he was in being blasted to bits in space; he just recreated himself from a backup back on Asuras.
So I don't think they intended to kill the replicators on RepliLantis, but maybe they knew that there were living organisms there, and they just wanted to kill them.

garhkal
December 11th, 2007, 12:20 PM
Thsoe were great screen caps of the Aurora, but who is to say htey are not for other uses, like part of the long range sensors?

IF they are weaponry, why have we not yet seen them used?

PG15
December 11th, 2007, 01:15 PM
Who cares if the attack was slow and not as devastating as a nuke? It did its job, didn't it?

Atlantis_Man
December 11th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I think the weapons are missing the secret ingredient, a human componant.
I dunno whether this is intentional or maybe when it comes to the Asurans the CGI dept are a lazy bunch.
But the drones, in Lost City II, Rising II, Seige II, No Mans Land, Travelers. Had a human operator rather than the Replicator.
When the Asurans fired a shot it was so boring and mechanical, one by one.

Orion blew things up good ma!

http://caps.stargate-atlantis.org/season3/nomansland/nomansland0656.jpg

Mister Oragahn
December 11th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Won't these replicators be stored in the central data core thing? Like how Oberoth managed to survive the city he was in being blasted to bits in space; he just recreated himself from a backup back on Asuras.
So I don't think they intended to kill the replicators on RepliLantis, but maybe they knew that there were living organisms there, and they just wanted to kill them.

Actually, the rebels were peeing their pants. Oberoth could simply isolate the rebels and be sure to have their personnas erased.





Who cares if the attack was slow and not as devastating as a nuke? It did its job, didn't it?

Sure, from the moment you switch off your brain, as the writers want you to think that cutting a piece of cheese into small cubes will destroy the bacteria crawling all over its surface, or that pulling down a building will destroy all the microbes inside and in its close vicinity.

Mister Oragahn
December 11th, 2007, 02:00 PM
I think the weapons are missing the secret ingredient, a human componant.
I dunno whether this is intentional or maybe when it comes to the Asurans the CGI dept are a lazy bunch.
But the drones, in Lost City II, Rising II, Seige II, No Mans Land, Travelers. Had a human operator rather than the Replicator.
When the Asurans fired a shot it was so boring and mechanical, one by one.

Orion blew things up good ma!


The ones fired with the Orion were controlled from a console I believe, not a chair, just as much as the one fired by McKay when he was stuck in the sister city in The Tower.

But you are correct that the human component is missing. It's just that it's not the one people think about. However, that one, not the Asurans, nor even Sheppard's team, can do anything about.

garhkal
December 12th, 2007, 03:33 PM
Which makes me wonder if Replishep could control drones like real shep could.

jenks
December 12th, 2007, 03:52 PM
Which makes me wonder if Replishep could control drones like real shep could.

There is no RepliShep. He wasn't a replicator, he was identical to Shep in every way, other than the nanites in his blood.

Lythisrose
December 12th, 2007, 07:58 PM
There is no RepliShep. He wasn't a replicator, he was identical to Shep in every way, other than the nanites in his blood.

So, Dupli!shep? Saw this in another thread, I think, as a good way to refer to these guys/gals. :)

Occulus
December 12th, 2007, 09:02 PM
But the drones, in Lost City II, Rising II, Seige II, No Mans Land, Travelers. Had a human operator rather than the Replicator.
When the Asurans fired a shot it was so boring and mechanical, one by one.



On the money. I think this ties into the whole Asurans-are-machines-can't-ascend thing.

Their attack was a bit boring and "just enough", wasn't it? Maybe they had a reason for that that we don't yet know...

Mister Oragahn
December 13th, 2007, 03:45 AM
On the money. I think this ties into the whole Asurans-are-machines-can't-ascend thing.

Their attack was a bit boring and "just enough", wasn't it? Maybe they had a reason for that that we don't yet know...

Copying lantian stupidity? The guys can build as many ZPMs as they want to, and yet, when it comes to eradicate the super robots, they fire the equivalent of low yields missiles, to destroy tough nanomachines. We have all seen Reunion, right?