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Starrtom
December 10th, 2007, 05:57 PM
I found this episode to be a very sad one. I think knowing the possibilty that Weir is dead, and that the repli Shep's team feel human but knowing they are not really would be hard to take. I am not sure how to express it other then its a sad situation. Did anybody else feel this saddness as they were watching it? The revelation that Weir is no more has in a way hit me harder then the loss of Carson.

the fifth man
December 10th, 2007, 06:50 PM
It always sucks to lose a character you've come to like. But, being Science Fiction, anything is possible.

P2J
December 10th, 2007, 06:51 PM
there's always the trusty and over used rest button

jenks
December 11th, 2007, 02:05 AM
I found this episode to be a very sad one. I think knowing the possibilty that Weir is dead, and that the repli Shep's team feel human but knowing they are not really would be hard to take. I am not sure how to express it other then its a sad situation. Did anybody else feel this saddness as they were watching it? The revelation that Weir is no more has in a way hit me harder then the loss of Carson.

Less sadness, and more... elation for me.

Lythisrose
December 11th, 2007, 07:57 AM
I agree, this episode left me with a deep sadness. Not just for the supposed death of Weir, but for the whole dupli!team. I just can't put aside the thought that they really were our guys/gals in almost every sense of the word. How they must have felt realizing that they were duplicates, how they would have wanted to go "home" just as much, and how they were willing to sacrifice themselves for each other and for their originals. That really got to me. I sure hope they are alive and that we see them again in the future. :(

Argosy
December 11th, 2007, 09:00 AM
I felt sadness for the reasons others had mentioned, but I also really felt for the rogue Asurans (the ones seeking ascension).

You can tell that when duplicate Weir described their willingness to sacrifice them like some failed experiment that it really hit home with Bogus Keller.

It was kind of raunchy for the Lanteans to just indiscriminately try and wipe out all the Asurans when clearly they are not all worthy of extermination.

Getting back to the duplicate team though…did any one else notice how Jason played the scene where the two Ronon’s meet? Like duplicate Ronon had a look of hurt & disappointment that he was trying to put up a brave front to hide, while the real Ronon had more of a look of amusement at the sight of his duplicate.

Though there was no dialog between the two I though it was a well acted scene. But then again I like Michael Mann movies where there are long spans of time without dialog, so that’s why I would notice that.

Mitchell82
December 15th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Less sadness, and more... elation for me.

Haha agreed. I liked Weir but she was far from the best leader so..

garhkal
December 15th, 2007, 07:32 PM
I felt sadness for the reasons others had mentioned, but I also really felt for the rogue Asurans (the ones seeking ascension).

You can tell that when duplicate Weir described their willingness to sacrifice them like some failed experiment that it really hit home with Bogus Keller.

To me the fact that Repli-keller and co were willing to die to keep with their beliefs as well as Repli SGA team 1 doing the same knowing they could not go back to atlantis shows that there is more to being human than just being flesh and blood. And as to the sorrow, i feel that is still to come. Now they can finally morn the loss of Wier.

Mitchell82
December 18th, 2007, 08:21 PM
To me the fact that Repli-keller and co were willing to die to keep with their beliefs as well as Repli SGA team 1 doing the same knowing they could not go back to atlantis shows that there is more to being human than just being flesh and blood. And as to the sorrow, i feel that is still to come. Now they can finally morn the loss of Wier.

Good point.

Stargate_atlantis-
December 19th, 2007, 11:02 PM
i havnt seen this episode yet but i really dont want Weir to die as an aussie i find her highly attractive!!! hehe

Ruined_puzzle
December 19th, 2007, 11:05 PM
I felt angry and like I wasted 1 hour of my life.

Amaunet
December 20th, 2007, 01:10 AM
I thought it was a brilliant episode…but I was kind of sad
I feel sorry for the Asurans who want to ascend and I’m sad that we found out that the real Weir is dead...


Less sadness, and more... elation for me.

Hehehe

Linzi
December 20th, 2007, 04:31 AM
I found this episode to be a very sad one. I think knowing the possibilty that Weir is dead, and that the repli Shep's team feel human but knowing they are not really would be hard to take. I am not sure how to express it other then its a sad situation. Did anybody else feel this saddness as they were watching it? The revelation that Weir is no more has in a way hit me harder then the loss of Carson.
There was a certain sadness that the Repli team thought they were the 'original' team. I have to be honest that I didn't feel that much angst over them apparently sacrificing themselves though. They weren't the real team, but were duplicates, so I didn't really mind what happened to them; I only care about the real team.

I didn't feel sad that Weir had supposedly died either. I'm not convinced now she is dead, and if I don't see it happening on screen, I don't feel anything really. I have to admit this 'nobody dies in scifi' does get a little tedious for me. They're dead, or no they're not! It's like panto! ;)

Mitchell82
December 20th, 2007, 08:50 AM
There was a certain sadness that the Repli team thought they were the 'original' team. I have to be honest that I didn't feel that much angst over them apparently sacrificing themselves though. They weren't the real team, but were duplicates, so I didn't really mind what happened to them; I only care about the real team.

I didn't feel sad that Weir had supposedly died either. I'm not convinced now she is dead, and if I don't see it happening on screen, I don't feel anything really. I have to admit this 'nobody dies in scifi' does get a little tedious for me. They're dead, or no they're not! It's like panto! ;)

Agreed but what the heck is panto?

IlluZen
December 21st, 2007, 05:55 AM
I found this episode to be a very sad one. I think knowing the possibilty that Weir is dead, and that the repli Shep's team feel human but knowing they are not really would be hard to take. I am not sure how to express it other then its a sad situation. Did anybody else feel this saddness as they were watching it? The revelation that Weir is no more has in a way hit me harder then the loss of Carson.

Hmm. I think it would've been a hard life for the dupli!team no matter what happened. They couldn't go back to Atlantis or 'their' lives, so at least they get to go out with a bang. :mckayanime17: :ronananime01:

If you want possiblilities, that's what fanfiction is for.

TheReturnOfTheLantian
December 21st, 2007, 07:01 AM
looks like all these Carter fans have got there wish come true. i didnt like Wier but i dont like carter as a leader i prefer her out there not stuck on atlantis.

Linzi
December 21st, 2007, 08:06 AM
Agreed but what the heck is panto?
Ooops! Sorry. Panto is short for pantomime. A very British institution. Basically a sort of musical type play/show with good and bad characters and crazy plots seen in theatres around Christmas. Very audience interactive, loved by kids generally and some adults, but mainly aimed at the younger audience, with lots of 'oh no she didn't, oh yes she did!' sort of lines. Ridiculous plots and fairytale endings. Cinderella, Puss in Boots, Aladdin are popular pantos. In the context I was using it, I meant that killing off and resurrecting characters sort of dumbs everything down a bit, making the deaths meaningless and a bit laughable if it happens too often and repeatedly - and also it's like the character is gone, oh no they aren't! :lol:

Bumping off and then having characters return is one of the things that actually does irritate me about scifi on occasion, not that it's reserved for this genre alone - *cough Dallas cough*

Fenrir Foxz
December 21st, 2007, 08:19 AM
Bumping off and then having characters return is one of the things that actually does irritate me about scifi on occasion, not that it's reserved for this genre alone - *cough Dallas cough*

Indeed... Sometimes it's good to see a familiar face return *Way to go Carson!* but it can too easily become repetative... 'Oh no they just killed kenny... lets use some sci-fi excuse to reserect him!'
*I'm glad Apophis will NOT be in 'Continuum' his return would (for me) be a done2death deal*

Mitchell82
December 21st, 2007, 12:32 PM
Ooops! Sorry. Panto is short for pantomime. A very British institution. Basically a sort of musical type play/show with good and bad characters and crazy plots seen in theatres around Christmas. Very audience interactive, loved by kids generally and some adults, but mainly aimed at the younger audience, with lots of 'oh no she didn't, oh yes she did!' sort of lines. Ridiculous plots and fairytale endings. Cinderella, Puss in Boots, Aladdin are popular pantos. In the context I was using it, I meant that killing off and resurrecting characters sort of dumbs everything down a bit, making the deaths meaningless and a bit laughable if it happens too often and repeatedly - and also it's like the character is gone, oh no they aren't! :lol:

Bumping off and then having characters return is one of the things that actually does irritate me about scifi on occasion, not that it's reserved for this genre alone - *cough Dallas cough*
Ah gotcha. I love those movies still however. I guess I never grew up. YOu had to bring up Dallas didn't you!;) The whole "last season was a dream" thing was the dumbest thing to do. Of course then Rosanne did the same thing in their series finale.

Mack_1
December 21st, 2007, 01:24 PM
looks like all these Carter fans have got there wish come true. i didnt like Wier but i dont like carter as a leader i prefer her out there not stuck on atlantis.


Don't worry about it she had a contract for so many episodes and then her contract is over, so you SGA fans can rest and you can have someone else, maybe replyweir, or Maybe Sheppard or Teyla would be on charged.

I also want Carter out of that stupid show were she is just becoming a shadow of the fine character she really is.;)

any_gopher
December 21st, 2007, 06:17 PM
I highly doubt Weir is actually dead. I mean, the very fact that they brought up the fact that she was dead without showing or hinting at her death is a big clue that she isn't dead. They're setting up an "Oh wow, she's alive!" moment! In my opinion, she is clearly alive somewhere.

But hey, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Lol.

Jumper_One
December 21st, 2007, 06:43 PM
I highly doubt Weir is actually dead. I mean, the very fact that they brought up the fact that she was dead without showing or hinting at her death is a big clue that she isn't dead. They're setting up an "Oh wow, she's alive!" moment! In my opinion, she is clearly alive somewhere.

But hey, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Lol.

they didn't bring up the fact that she was dead. you're talking about DupliWeir. the real Weir, well RepliWeir since Adrift, was last seen in Lifeline ;)

Mitchell82
December 22nd, 2007, 02:58 PM
Don't worry about it she had a contract for so many episodes and then her contract is over, so you SGA fans can rest and you can have someone else, maybe replyweir, or Maybe Sheppard or Teyla would be on charged.

I also want Carter out of that stupid show were she is just becoming a shadow of the fine character she really is.;)

Thankfully I doubt you'll get your wish. Carter most likely will stay on the show.

Jumper_One
December 22nd, 2007, 03:12 PM
Thankfully I doubt you'll get your wish. Carter most likely will stay on the show.

agreed, Carter's been great so far and AT already said she'd be glad to return for s5 :)

Mitchell82
December 22nd, 2007, 06:12 PM
agreed, Carter's been great so far and AT already said she'd be glad to return for s5 :)

Agreed. Though how hard is it to be better than Weir.*runs and hides*

Mack_1
December 24th, 2007, 06:29 AM
Thankfully I doubt you'll get your wish. Carter most likely will stay on the show.

Well this is not my wish, I wish she'll stay on and the writters give her more meaninfull material so she can show how great a character she really is, so far she is been doing good I love Carter; that's the only reason I'm watching SGA this season, I just don't like the way they are showing such important character to be ausent when it needs to be there and don't give any reason why she is not there. (Like in the last episode andsome others.)

Also I just get sick and tired of people degrading and comparing and raging at AT/Sam Carter just because she is in the show.:mckay:

So if she stays then I'll be watching season 5 and maybe even buy this two seasons only.;)

I'm a Sam Carter fan all the way:sam::)

Mitchell82
December 24th, 2007, 11:21 AM
Well this is not my wish, I wish she'll stay on and the writters give her more meaninfull material so she can show how great a character she really is, so far she is been doing good I love Carter; that's the only reason I'm watching SGA this season, I just don't like the way they are showing such important character to be ausent when it needs to be there and don't give any reason why she is not there. (Like in the last episode andsome others.)
Hmm I don't think she needed to be in TMC it would have been a waste of time, and her character to be on screen for just a few minutes.


Also I just get sick and tired of people degrading and comparing and raging at AT/Sam Carter just because she is in the show.:mckay:

So if she stays then I'll be watching season 5 and maybe even buy this two seasons only.;)

I'm a Sam Carter fan all the way:sam::)
Agreed.

Jumper_One
December 29th, 2007, 10:35 AM
Agreed. Though how hard is it to be better than Weir.*runs and hides*

:lol:

still alive?

SMB_BOOKS
December 31st, 2007, 09:22 AM
TMC saddened me as well. I was glad to see Torri on screen with the team again, however I was sad to see it was as a duplicate and not the real Elizabeth. At least she had the memories and experiences of Elizabeth within her, so it wasn't as hard to swallow as a copy with no knowledge of her former self would have been.

I was sad during the scene where RepliKeller told DupliElizabeth that the real Elizabeth was dead, however I don't think she really is dead. It was still hard to see that conversation happen.

I felt for the Asurans who were destroyed although I didn't agree with their methods of studying ascension. I was grateful RepliKeller gave the DupliTeam a chance to escape.

The scene between Elizabeth and John in the woods made my heart ache. I felt for the plight of DupliElizabeth. I felt for the plight of the entire DupliTeam, but was not at all surprised they volunteered to be a decoy.