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Steve_the_Wraith
December 8th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Anyone agree with me?


In their own slightly creepy way some of the replicators seem to be genuinely good people

Niam and Repli-Keller especially

Instead of wiping them all out helping them to ascend could end the war. If atleast one replicator achieves ascension then Oberoths faction (who believe ascension is impossible and that they should conquer instead) will loose control

The_Carpenter
December 8th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I think its impossible for them to ascend, they are machines. And one would assume that the clones could not ascend either seeing as how the Asgard could not ascend due to their genetic manipulation of their genome.

kirmit
December 8th, 2007, 11:41 AM
If the Asurans ascend it'll go one of two ways. Either they'll join the ranks of the other ascendeds in which case we'll never hear from them again or they'll turn against the ancients and we'll have Ori rip offs.

g.o.d
December 8th, 2007, 12:13 PM
I hope they'll learn to ascend and dissapear. They won't bother on SGA anymore

IcyNeko
December 8th, 2007, 12:45 PM
I think its impossible for them to ascend, they are machines. And one would assume that the clones could not ascend either seeing as how the Asgard could not ascend due to their genetic manipulation of their genome.

Well, the asgard got that way after many, many copies of themselves to the point where they lost key elements that allowed them to evolve to a higher state. This is a little different.

I still liked Ascension back when it was a "you had to be a good person to get there". That made it accessible to everyone who had a good heart, no matter who or what they were. The religions and philosophies that the writers modeled ascension after state that one can attain that level through self-will and true spirit. SO in that sense, replicators could have ascended.

But now this whole "evolutionary" bit is the key... and the only time a "good spirit" will get you in is if you were let in by an ancient. That sucks. :(

s09119
December 8th, 2007, 12:54 PM
Well, the asgard got that way after many, many copies of themselves to the point where they lost key elements that allowed them to evolve to a higher state. This is a little different.

I still liked Ascension back when it was a "you had to be a good person to get there". That made it accessible to everyone who had a good heart, no matter who or what they were. The religions and philosophies that the writers modeled ascension after state that one can attain that level through self-will and true spirit. SO in that sense, replicators could have ascended.

But now this whole "evolutionary" bit is the key... and the only time a "good spirit" will get you in is if you were let in by an ancient. That sucks. :(

Well, it is more realistic this way. What natural process would ever depend on your good/bad score?

IcyNeko
December 8th, 2007, 12:56 PM
I could answer that, but I'd be delving pretty deep in philosophy as well as new quantum sciences. :)

To put it simply, your mind controls an incredibly amount of matter, and conscious thoughts only account for a small portion of what your brain does every moment, where energy gets allocated and used, and what outcomes that might lead to.

garhkal
December 8th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Anyone agree with me?


In their own slightly creepy way some of the replicators seem to be genuinely good people

Niam and Repli-Keller especially

Instead of wiping them all out helping them to ascend could end the war. If atleast one replicator achieves ascension then Oberoths faction (who believe ascension is impossible and that they should conquer instead) will loose control

While i don't even think the new ones or the semi cloned/replicators could do so, i would love to see it happen, even if for nothing more than to show up Oberoth.

Arturis
December 8th, 2007, 05:26 PM
If the Replicators learn to ascend it will just be the Ancients and the Ori all over again.

StarSkimmer
December 8th, 2007, 09:21 PM
If the Replicators learn to ascend it will just be the Ancients and the Ori all over again.


No, I don't think so. Not if only the "good" Replicators ascend, anyway, and I do think there are good Replicators.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty idiotic (not to mention downright mean) of the Alterrans to try and destroy the Replicators after they "failed" as an experiment - it seemed obvious that even though they are machines, they do think and feel like humans.

So yeah, I'd like to see some of the Replicators ascend. Can't help but feel sorry for a few of them, 'specially Niam.

Arturis
December 8th, 2007, 09:36 PM
No, I don't think so. Not if only the "good" Replicators ascend, anyway, and I do think there are good Replicators.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty idiotic (not to mention downright mean) of the Alterrans to try and destroy the Replicators after they "failed" as an experiment - it seemed obvious that even though they are machines, they do think and feel like humans.

So yeah, I'd like to see some of the Replicators ascend. Can't help but feel sorry for a few of them, 'specially Niam.

I think it was pretty idiotic for the Ancients to try to destroy the Replicators the way that they did. Any race capable of the things the Ancients did were certainly capable of generating a planet-wide EM pulse to permanently destroy them all. That and the Anti-Replicator tech we have is based on Ancient technology gleaned from O'Neill's Ancient repository infused mind was it not? Why did they not just wipe them out that way instead of using drones? Surely they weren't that incompetent. Perhaps the Anti-Replicator technology was developed at some point after this, but a large enough EM pulse would have accomplished the same goal.

And I don't mean that there would be good ascended Replicators and bad ascended Replicators. I mean that the ascended Ancients would immediately be at odds with the ascended Replicators.

Now that you mention it... it would be good to see Niam again. The actor did a great job and the character was a good one.

DetriusXii
December 8th, 2007, 10:04 PM
I think it was pretty idiotic for the Ancients to try to destroy the Replicators the way that they did. Any race capable of the things the Ancients did were certainly capable of generating a planet-wide EM pulse to permanently destroy them all. That and the Anti-Replicator tech we have is based on Ancient technology gleaned from O'Neill's Ancient repository infused mind was it not? Why did they not just wipe them out that way instead of using drones? Surely they weren't that incompetent. Perhaps the Anti-Replicator technology was developed at some point after this, but a large enough EM pulse would have accomplished the same goal.

And I don't mean that there would be good ascended Replicators and bad ascended Replicators. I mean that the ascended Ancients would immediately be at odds with the ascended Replicators.

Now that you mention it... it would be good to see Niam again. The actor did a great job and the character was a good one.


And it seems like the Asurans are imitating their creators. I mean, why didn't the Asuran ship use one nuke to wipe out the city rather than drones. Would drones even do any damage to an Asuran body?

g.o.d
December 9th, 2007, 01:45 AM
No, I don't think so. Not if only the "good" Replicators ascend, anyway, and I do think there are good Replicators.


the Ori were good at the beginnig. They became corrupted after their ascension

Teelie
December 9th, 2007, 01:46 AM
Yes, there was a division in how to manage those who did not ascend. The Ori felt they should directly intervene whereas the other Ancients did not and had a more watch and do nothing approach.

Obviously neither side did it very well as the Ori became demi-gods and the Ancients let the Goa'uld essentially enslave the human race and let others run amok (the "old school" replicators for instance).

wise one
December 9th, 2007, 03:34 AM
well most of the asurans have the anger biult in them and if they do ascend i dont think they will be happy to the ancients

and they probaly know about the ori and ancient situation and that ascended beings have being talking to them like in pegasus project

StarSkimmer
December 9th, 2007, 01:49 PM
And I don't mean that there would be good ascended Replicators and bad ascended Replicators. I mean that the ascended Ancients would immediately be at odds with the ascended Replicators.

Now that you mention it... it would be good to see Niam again. The actor did a great job and the character was a good one.

Ah, I see. Well, can you blame them? I dunno, if I was created and then destroyed as a "failed experiment", I'd probably be at odds with the ascended creator too... but I mean, I don't think the good Replicators that ascended would try and make humans worship them like the Ori did. (Or at least, I hope not.)

It would kind of be interesting to see the "good" Asurans ascend and then try and fight the non-ascended Replicators or stop them from killing humans... just a thought. :)

Actionhank
December 10th, 2007, 05:45 PM
I think its impossible for them to ascend, they are machines. And one would assume that the clones could not ascend either seeing as how the Asgard could not ascend due to their genetic manipulation of their genome.
Question is what makes the difference? God given soul? The old question - what constitutes human beings, culminating into the question: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" ^^
Take Replicators for Androids of course. :)

Starrtom
December 12th, 2007, 05:41 PM
May the force be with us all if the replicators were able to ascend. Not a good idea IMO.

norak1
December 12th, 2007, 07:52 PM
No, I don't think so. Not if only the "good" Replicators ascend, anyway, and I do think there are good Replicators.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty idiotic (not to mention downright mean) of the Alterrans to try and destroy the Replicators after they "failed" as an experiment - it seemed obvious that even though they are machines, they do think and feel like humans.

So yeah, I'd like to see some of the Replicators ascend. Can't help but feel sorry for a few of them, 'specially Niam.

Yup I want to see Niam's gang go up too!

I also think it's possible, but tricky to write.
Lots of massive plot holes ahead!! crazy good writer needed .

If ascending was only for good people or those helped up the ladder by ascended beings... how did the Ori get there? Who are more wrong and self absorbed than the Goauld!

So A: the Ori feed on human life force,
even if by making them concentrate on the Ori - AKA worship-?

B:Didn't Rodney almost ascended via - technology boost? nifty little machine lying around ...

C:Who else feeds on humans and humans only and are a also product of Ancient meddling?

Luv to theorize on this stuff!! :mckayanime09:

And dont Get me started on the cloning issue!!
For example: Are the clones made by Asurans really clones or replicators?

If they are clones and the nanites inside are just there as leftovers of the process, well they are indeed humans and as a "rule of clones" no matter who's cells got copied they became a different individual than the one they where copied from even if they remember someone else's past. New people whit implanted knowledge and added techno stuff. Just like Jack O'neills clone , according to Daniel when explaining little Jack to big Jack. I soo agree with him.
I thank that movie " The Island" for a new look on the what ifs of cloning.

kymeric
December 12th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Didnt mckay proove ascension was a direct series of biological changes resulting in ascending. Seriously, the asurans are partially organic, all they have to do is incorporate it and TAADAA. Ascended Asurans.

But realistically ascension and eternal nanotechnological existance are about the extremes of as far as evolution can go. Both are basicaly immortal and can do near anything.

Occulus
December 12th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Question is what makes the difference? God given soul? The old question - what constitutes human beings, culminating into the question: "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" ^^
Take Replicators for Androids of course. :)

I would imagine the rebel Asurans were looking for a way to transfer their own consciounesses into fully human biological copies of actual people. A one-to-one, first-gen copy wouldn't have the defects the Asgard suffered from, so ascension could be possible.

Perhaps it isn't the presence of a 'soul' at all, but rather the lack of a biological brain that is keeping them from ascending. Biology has elements of chaos to it that technology lacks; perhaps the presence of that chaos is one of the keys.

Frak, it's the Cylons all over again.

garhkal
December 13th, 2007, 03:41 PM
May the force be with us all if the replicators were able to ascend. Not a good idea IMO.

Not all of them, just niam and his crew..


If ascending was only for good people or those helped up the ladder by ascended beings... how did the Ori get there? Who are more wrong and self absorbed than the Goauld!

They were already ascended when they became evil. Remember in the quest part 2, Merlin said that the Ori started out with the best of intentions but became corrupt. As to the Gou'ald, only Anubis has become ascended, and he had help from Oma who he tricked to do so.

Mirelinde
September 25th, 2011, 01:20 PM
Really, it would be better for replicators to understand that they don't need ascend! Maybe this idea was for them as like "alternate goal" - Niam&K felt intuitive that agression and revenge is not the best meaning of life - but what they could find more? Ainients learned them nothing another... Maybe it was any need to "be equel" to Aincients ... If would anybody explene im at time that there are more high goals over ascend!

Rohan
August 21st, 2020, 07:46 PM
I was actually under the impression that the body starts generating a unique form of energy which eventually turns said individual into said energy being.

But it makes me curious that if the Asurans went to Kheb, would Olma had helped them ascend? Once explained to them, the Asurans are not attached to the physical world as they have the right mind set for enlightenment as they seek betterment.