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Ripple in Space
November 30th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Last time I checked wasn't Carter roughly the Universe's foremost expert on Replicator code, right behind the late Thor & formerly Ancient O'Neill? Why wouldn't Rodney have brought her to save the life of his sister (possibly in addition to the Wraith)?

Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

wheresmyfroggy
November 30th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Last time I checked, Carter now has a full time job as the leader of Atlantis. It boggles me why people think just because she's capable of doing all these things, doesn't mean she has time to do them. (Yes, even on a science fiction show, normal constraints like time can be a factor! *gaspOH-NOgasp*)

Ace
November 30th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Last time I checked wasn't Carter roughly the Universe's foremost expert on Replicator code, right behind the late Thor & formerly Ancient O'Neill? Why wouldn't Rodney have brought her to save the life of his sister (possibly in addition to the Wraith)?

Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

All good points...

Ace

Freekzilla
November 30th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Ripple does have a point though. Not having the time to do something like this is a great example of why Carter should NOT be in charge, of Atlantis or anything else for that matter, IMHO. I think it's a rabid misuse of resources. I'd prefer to keep people doing what they are the best at rather than lose them to "administrative duties". Such a waste. But then again, just my personal opinion.

KiLL3r
November 30th, 2007, 08:55 PM
lol does not being american make your life less valuable or something?

your other points like hidden transponder make sense.

FoolishPleasure
November 30th, 2007, 09:18 PM
Carter is too busy monitoring coffee inventories and making sure Chuck doesn't take extra breaks.

I swear the poor lady lost at least 100 IQ points since she came to Atlantis. :)

Blistna
November 30th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

Thats what I said! Maybe a movie or something will happen with the Wraith coming to Earth and SG-1/Atlantis has to stop it? Who knows....

Erised
November 30th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Carter is too busy monitoring coffee inventories and making sure Chuck doesn't take extra breaks.

I swear the poor lady lost at least 100 IQ points since she came to Atlantis. :)

*dies* brilliant! :D

I was thinking that where the hell is Carter? She is a replicator expert! She was there with Ba'al and Selmak when they got rid of her... so WTH!?
And where does the leader go when they try to make someone feed themselves to the wraith? Bad, bad writing...

SaberBlade
November 30th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Carter may be experienced with the replicators, but never before has she had to study or alter their code. Carter wouldn't have exactly been the best choice but that said, it's not like Jeanie has ever been in that situation before. In a weird way, it's sort of like saying Sam isn't as smart as Jeanie.

While that may not be the case, because we don't know Sam's full duties on Alantis, it does give the impression that they'd rather translate the code and send it in burst transmissions rather than getting the one person on Atlantis who's smarter than McKay to work on it.

I could come up with a few reasons why Carter shouldn't work on the code (doesn't understand Ancient, hasn't worked with replicator base code before) but in the end Jeanie has even less experience. I would definitely have to agree that Carter's IQ seems to have dropped 100 or so points as she's now as helpful as Weir in a scientific crisis.

As for the Wraith on base, look at what the Goa'uld did to Cassie and even Ryac, yet Goa'uld have still been allowed on base with god knows what type of booby traps or hidden items that could kill us all on several different occasions.

I think the biggest problem was giving the Wraith access to computers that had the ability to upload files to the nanites. We have no idea how those computers were networked. He could have sent a burst transmission (unless AOL does a galaxy to galaxy email service) signalling the Wraith leading them right to Earth, or at least found the gate address for the planet.

Ripple in Space
November 30th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Last time I checked, Carter now has a full time job as the leader of Atlantis. It boggles me why people think just because she's capable of doing all these things, doesn't mean she has time to do them. (Yes, even on a science fiction show, normal constraints like time can be a factor! *gaspOH-NOgasp*)

Love the sarcasm... No you're right, it makes loads of sense that McKay would rather die (literally, as-in feed himself to the Wraith) than to peel Carter away from delegation duties :rolleyes: .


lol does not being american make your life less valuable or something?

your other points like hidden transponder make sense.

I was referring to Landry, Jack, and Woolsey's POVs (I think Woolsey may have even put a $$$ value on SGC personnel in an ep). To them American military are more valuable than a regular human. And I just don't see any of them jumping on the "risk Earth to save a Canadian civilian" bandwagon.

Ripple in Space
November 30th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Carter may be experienced with the replicators, but never before has she had to study or alter their code. Carter wouldn't have exactly been the best choice but that said, it's not like Jeanie has ever been in that situation before. In a weird way, it's sort of like saying Sam isn't as smart as Jeanie.

While that may not be the case, because we don't know Sam's full duties on Alantis, it does give the impression that they'd rather translate the code and send it in burst transmissions rather than getting the one person on Atlantis who's smarter than McKay to work on it.

I could come up with a few reasons why Carter shouldn't work on the code (doesn't understand Ancient, hasn't worked with replicator base code before) but in the end Jeanie has even less experience. I would definitely have to agree that Carter's IQ seems to have dropped 100 or so points as she's now as helpful as Weir in a scientific crisis.

As for the Wraith on base, look at what the Goa'uld did to Cassie and even Ryac, yet Goa'uld have still been allowed on base with god knows what type of booby traps or hidden items that could kill us all on several different occasions.

I think the biggest problem was giving the Wraith access to computers that had the ability to upload files to the nanites. We have no idea how those computers were networked. He could have sent a burst transmission (unless AOL does a galaxy to galaxy email service) signalling the Wraith leading them right to Earth, or at least found the gate address for the planet.

The thing is, the Goa'uld know where Earth is, they always have. The whole deal in Atlantis is keeping the Wraith away from Earth. If the Wraith could get to Milky Way there would be a huge battle.

Agent_Dark
November 30th, 2007, 10:07 PM
The wraith probably didn't even know he was on earth. All he would have seen was a different looking stargate and a military facility. He may well have been able to guess at where he was, but even then that wont do him much good because he doesn't know how to get there.

SaberBlade
November 30th, 2007, 10:17 PM
The wraith probably didn't even know he was on earth. All he would have seen was a different looking stargate and a military facility. He may well have been able to guess at where he was, but even then that wont do him much good because he doesn't know how to get there.

Well considering he would have seen a different stargate than Pegasus standard (at midway if they used it, or in the SGC when he left), I think it wouldn't be too hard for him to figure out they were in a new galaxy. So Earth or not, that location would be gold because of the potential population to feed on. With computer access, you never know because we've seen how a networked computer can be used to screw plans over (like the Wraith did in season 2 and McKay did in this episode when he tried to escape).

andy tyler
November 30th, 2007, 10:44 PM
i SERIOUSLY doubt hidden transponders would work across galaxies.

Agent_Dark
November 30th, 2007, 10:47 PM
Well considering he would have seen a different stargate than Pegasus standard (at midway if they used it, or in the SGC when he left), I think it wouldn't be too hard for him to figure out they were in a new galaxy. So Earth or not, that location would be gold because of the potential population to feed on. With computer access, you never know because we've seen how a networked computer can be used to screw plans over (like the Wraith did in season 2 and McKay did in this episode when he tried to escape).

who said he had access to a networked computer?

SaberBlade
November 30th, 2007, 10:58 PM
who said he had access to a networked computer?

When he said he had finished the program, Sheppard said to him to upload the program. He would have to use some sort of wireless communction system to interact with the nanites. Considering how smart the Wraith is, he could have used that system in a number of different ways screw over the SGC.

Agent_Dark
November 30th, 2007, 11:07 PM
When he said he had finished the program, Sheppard said to him to upload the program. He would have to use some sort of wireless communction system to interact with the nanites. Considering how smart the Wraith is, he could have used that system in a number of different ways screw over the SGC.

with his extensive knowledge of the SGC's computer and electronic systems I take it?

sheppard may have simply told him to upload his program to a flash drive or something and McKay would have done any of the interacting.

SaberBlade
November 30th, 2007, 11:19 PM
Well considering we've only see him use a laptop once and it was in this episode, he seemed to adapt very quickly to typing and using the SGC computers.

Now it could have been his first time which makes him very smart so may have been able to figure out backdoors or ways to get around security, or he could have had the chance to use the systems on Atlantis, which means he's still very smart but could have picked up a few tricks along the way before he got to Earth. You can't really expect him to sit with hands tied looking at computer screens all day and not pick up a few things here and there.

While you are right about him uploading the program to a portable storage drive for someone to use, the urgency in Sheppards voice would seem he wanted to upload the patch directly and see if that helped.

hlclew
December 1st, 2007, 12:31 AM
Wow, where on earth was carter...the epidosde kinda felt empty

jonos101
December 1st, 2007, 12:38 AM
wat do u guys think they will do with todd when they finished with him

hlclew
December 1st, 2007, 01:57 AM
Put him in a meat grinder

jenks
December 1st, 2007, 02:35 AM
Last time I checked wasn't Carter roughly the Universe's foremost expert on Replicator code, right behind the late Thor & formerly Ancient O'Neill? Why wouldn't Rodney have brought her to save the life of his sister (possibly in addition to the Wraith)?

Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

Carter has had precisely zero experience with the Asuran's base code. There's absolutely no reason it would be anything like the coding for the replicators from SG-1 either, before you ask. ;)

Freekzilla
December 1st, 2007, 06:35 AM
Basically, the long story short of it all this year, Carter's talents have been wasted, badly. Having her in an administration role is like using a microwave as a clothes dryer, it can work, but it's not too bright a move.

rarocks24
December 1st, 2007, 06:43 AM
wat do u guys think they will do with todd when they finished with him

Todd takes a jumper ride with Sheppard and the team to talk to a nearby hive about making an alliance to fight the replicators, so um....I guess he's returned to the Wraith?

VSS
December 1st, 2007, 07:35 AM
I find it highly ironic that people would think Carter should come on this mission when it seems like the goal of half of SGA fandom (yes, I'm guessing :)) is too keep her in her little office. Look how people complained when she used her military skills to rescue Shep from the wraith earlier in the season. Why wouldn't the same group of people complain if she used her intellectual skills to rescue Jeannie? It's no different. TPTB don't want her saving the day anymore, even if she can.

The only thing Carter should have done is to said "no" to bringing a wraith to earth.

I agree that the computer he worked on could have been detached from the network, but in every SG-1 episode they are linked. Linnaea got all the gate info she wanted- then crashed the computers. In Entity, they thought it could actually get off the base- so O'Neill killed Carter. Ba'al got everything he wanted from one computer, too. So given that- he could have done something not-so-good, definitely.

The biggest plot hole to me, though, is having McKay and Barrett together and neither one of 'em mentions Carter. Talk about an unrealistic episode.;)

Ripple in Space
December 1st, 2007, 07:45 AM
Carter has had precisely zero experience with the Asuran's base code. There's absolutely no reason it would be anything like the coding for the replicators from SG-1 either, before you ask. ;)

Compared to Jeanie?!?! Jeanie helped decipher a few segments of code... Carter worked with Thor, RepliCarter, Baal and Selmak to perfect the PWARW which happens to work on the Asurans just as well as it did on the MW Replicators....


The biggest plot hole to me, though, is having McKay and Barrett together and neither one of 'em mentions Carter. Talk about an unrealistic episode.;)

Lol, a slapfight should have broken out over who she finds more attractive/less repulsive :D.

Major_Griff
December 1st, 2007, 07:46 AM
The biggest plot hole to me, though, is having McKay and Barrett together and neither one of 'em mentions Carter. Talk about an unrealistic episode.;)

Hahahaah!

Jumper_One
December 1st, 2007, 07:48 AM
The biggest plot hole to me, though, is having McKay and Barrett together and neither one of 'em mentions Carter. Talk about an unrealistic episode.;)

yeah that would've been fun :P

P2J
December 1st, 2007, 07:48 AM
it was a "mckay" episode so the "mckay's" had to deal with the problem

HenryHayes
December 1st, 2007, 07:52 AM
Random Atlantis Person - Help Ive fallen & I cant get up

Carter comes running to help person get up

Random Atlantis Person - Oh my god there is no more food

Carter comes running to cook

Random Atlantis Person - Help me Obi Wan Kenobi your my only hop

Carter comes running

Check back next week to see what gets Carter running in The Carter Hour

Ronon - I cant find my gun damn it

Carter comes running to give Ronon 5 new guns

Check back next week to see what gets Carter running in The Carter Hour same Atlantis time & same Atlantis hour

:p

kymeric
December 1st, 2007, 07:58 AM
Last time I checked wasn't Carter roughly the Universe's foremost expert on Replicator code, right behind the late Thor & formerly Ancient O'Neill? Why wouldn't Rodney have brought her to save the life of his sister (possibly in addition to the Wraith)?

Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

Theres probably a huge freaking difference between mw replicator programming and ancient programming. MW started of as stupid toys and evolved gradually by assimilating alien tech. Asurans were build by the greatest race that ever lived, im sure their code has little in common with their mw brothers.

A specialist in house cats isnt quallified to treat a full grown male lion in a zoo in anything but the most basic of ways.

SGFerrit
December 1st, 2007, 08:01 AM
Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

Wow... Are Americans REALLY that bad? 'You may be one of the most brilliant minds we have, and you may have a family who love you dearly, but you aren't American so screw you, b*tch!'

Regarding the possible second transponder, you REALLY think it will transmit between the two galaxies? That's a pretty big stretch. And you don't think the team checked him for anymore?

Again, risks. If this show was riskless, it would be very f****** boring, and the story would get absolutely no where.

Jeffala
December 1st, 2007, 08:04 AM
He could have sent a burst transmission (unless AOL does a galaxy to galaxy email service) signalling the Wraith leading them right to Earth, or at least found the gate address for the planet.

Knowing the gate address for Earth won't help the Wraith in Pegasus. As we've seen before, the only gate that can reach Earth is in Atlantis (because of a special control crystal).

Ah, but now we have the gate bridge. Anyone who knows that address and Earth's address can know the location and then, without an IDC, go SPLAT against the iris.

Also, knowing the location of Earth wouldn't help because (as of now) the Wraith can't reach it because they don't have inter-galactic hyperdrive technology. The Daedalus takes three weeks to travel between galaxies and it has Asgard engines. How long would it take for the Wraith with their standard hyperlight engines and their frequent stops for recharging?

Integrabyte
December 1st, 2007, 08:04 AM
How is Carter's fault if TPTB wrote the episode without her? I don't recall y'all shouting when Weir was going over Teyla's tomato crops and writing them down.

SGFerrit
December 1st, 2007, 08:08 AM
And where does the leader go when they try to make someone feed themselves to the wraith? Bad, bad writing...

How the hell was Carter supposed to know what he was doing? Should she constantly have Shep on a leash?

I know you are bitter over Carter, but can you not come up with anything better than that? lol.


How many eps has she not been in now? three? If so, then there is three more to go.

Ripple in Space
December 1st, 2007, 10:13 AM
How the hell was Carter supposed to know what he was doing? Should she constantly have Shep on a leash?

I know you are bitter over Carter, but can you not come up with anything better than that? lol.


How many eps has she not been in now? three? If so, then there is three more to go.

Yeah, I agree, Carter can't be blamed for Shep feeding grieving fathers the the Wraith. That would clearly fall under Landry's responsibility.

ToasterOnFire
December 1st, 2007, 11:07 AM
How the hell was Carter supposed to know what he was doing?
Isn't she his superior commander?

Not that chain of command has stopped Shep in the past...

Detox
December 1st, 2007, 11:18 AM
Love the sarcasm... No you're right, it makes loads of sense that McKay would rather die (literally, as-in feed himself to the Wraith) than to peel Carter away from delegation duties :rolleyes: .



I was referring to Landry, Jack, and Woolsey's POVs (I think Woolsey may have even put a $$$ value on SGC personnel in an ep). To them American military are more valuable than a regular human. And I just don't see any of them jumping on the "risk Earth to save a Canadian civilian" bandwagon.

Well, it's not simply just to save her. Saving her would also help in their goal to stop the replicators in Pegasus, not to mention she's a very valuable asset to the SGC and Atlantis because of her intelligence and the help she can provide them with.

Shan Bruce Lee
December 1st, 2007, 11:18 AM
*dies* brilliant! :D

I was thinking that where the hell is Carter? She is a replicator expert! She was there with Ba'al and Selmak when they got rid of her... so WTH!?
And where does the leader go when they try to make someone feed themselves to the wraith? Bad, bad writing...

Not the same replicators

Jumper_One
December 1st, 2007, 11:34 AM
Isn't she his superior commander?

Not that chain of command has stopped Shep in the past...

yes she's his CO but Sam's in Atlantis while the boys are on Earth. I agree with Ripple in Space this is clearly Landry's responsibility and not Carter's. hell she's in another galaxy and has no idea what's going on back home. and she doesn't have to since it's not her job to look after Earth

talyn2k1
December 1st, 2007, 11:52 AM
Compared to Jeanie?!?! Jeanie helped decipher a few segments of code... Carter worked with Thor, RepliCarter, Baal and Selmak to perfect the PWARW which happens to work on the Asurans just as well as it did on the MW Replicators....



Lol, a slapfight should have broken out over who she finds more attractive/less repulsive :D.

Has Carter ever had actual access to the base code of the MW Replicators?
In 'New Order' she was working with Thor on deciphering their communications frequencies / cipher, something like that, which does not necessarily involve base code.

In Reckoning, they used the Dakara device to break down the energy links between the pieces which also does not involve base code.

Have we ever seen her programming a single line of base code.

Bear in mind I haven't seen this ep yet so I am of course referring to every episode prior to this one?

SaberBlade
December 1st, 2007, 11:58 AM
I don't remember Carter ever working on replicator code before. The closest she may have gotten to it was 'Gemini' when she worked with Replicarter but I can't remember if she was sorting through replicator code or the ARG code to make it compatible with Fifth's phantom update.

Jumper_One
December 1st, 2007, 12:00 PM
I don't remember Carter ever working on replicator code before. The closest she may have gotten to it was 'Gemini' when she worked with Replicarter but I can't remember if she was sorting through replicator code or the ARG code to make it compatible with Fifth's phantom update.

which proves that there's no point in her being there since she has no experience with the code

talyn2k1
December 1st, 2007, 12:08 PM
I don't remember Carter ever working on replicator code before. The closest she may have gotten to it was 'Gemini' when she worked with Replicarter but I can't remember if she was sorting through replicator code or the ARG code to make it compatible with Fifth's phantom update.

I'm pretty sure she was just working with RepliCarter to find a countermeasure to the new cipher. This action also does not involve base code.

So in short, Carter had no reason to be there as she has as much experience with Replicator/Asuran base code as I do.

So...thread closed?! :P

SaberBlade
December 1st, 2007, 12:30 PM
I'm pretty sure she was just working with RepliCarter to find a countermeasure to the new cipher. This action also does not involve base code.

So in short, Carter had no reason to be there as she has as much experience with Replicator/Asuran base code as I do.

So...thread closed?! :P

I don't think it means thread closed, because now the whole thread turns into a Jeanie vs Carter debate as one had as much use as the other because in the end, Jeanie did nothing at all and it took the Wraith to do the work.

starfox
December 1st, 2007, 12:32 PM
They already had McKay on Earth b/c Jeannie had been kidnapped, and he'd been the one working on the project in the first place, so while Carter may know the most about the general concepts, McKay probably knows the most about the specifics of this program. And no matter how good Carter is, she's not as good as the Wraith, or they wouldn't have been working with him on Atlantis in the first place. He has more practical knowledge about implementing the program than she does, and therefore in a situation like this is more useful than she would be. Also, one Wraith w/o a hive and in a completely different galaxy from his kind isn't that big a security issue; they outnumber him and he doesn't have access to a ship or anything that would help him kill more than a couple of people before he was gunned down. It was a calculated and controllable risk.

Skydiver
December 1st, 2007, 12:37 PM
the un-show and realistic answer???

chances are this episode was written specifically to accomodate AT's time doing the movies, thus she likely wasn't available and they did the eps without her because the actress couldnht' be in two places at the same time

ToasterOnFire
December 1st, 2007, 01:06 PM
yes she's his CO but Sam's in Atlantis while the boys are on Earth. I agree with Ripple in Space this is clearly Landry's responsibility and not Carter's. hell she's in another galaxy and has no idea what's going on back home. and she doesn't have to since it's not her job to look after Earth
Except Todd was being kept in Atlantis (her responsibility), so I would assume that she was at least notified of his temporary transfer to Earth. Anything that happened on Earth would be Landry's responsibility, natch.

Jumper_One
December 1st, 2007, 01:30 PM
Except Todd was being kept in Atlantis (her responsibility), so I would assume that she was at least notified of his temporary transfer to Earth. Anything that happened on Earth would be Landry's responsibility, natch.

yes, while in Atlantis Todd was her responsibility. so? what does this have to do with anything? Sam's in Atlantis, the boys are on Earth and Todd gets temporarily transferred to help with the code. she has nothing to say in this ep because it doesn't fall under her jurisdiction which is Atlantis. while on Earth Shep and the rest should report directly to Landry, as does Sam btw. so what's the problem?

garhkal
December 1st, 2007, 02:03 PM
Wow... Are Americans REALLY that bad? 'You may be one of the most brilliant minds we have, and you may have a family who love you dearly, but you aren't American so screw you, b*tch!'


What it boils down to is worth.. It costs money and time to train and make a soldier experienced. if we had a choice of spending 100000 for saving 10 soldiers, or 10 civilians of another country, i doubt ANY country on this planet would go with the latter choice.

VSS
December 1st, 2007, 02:34 PM
What it boils down to is worth.. It costs money and time to train and make a soldier experienced. if we had a choice of spending 100000 for saving 10 soldiers, or 10 civilians of another country, i doubt ANY country on this planet would go with the latter choice.

No, no- those figures are all wrong. Remember Woolsey figured out a SG team member was worth somewhat less than $27 mil. in Heroes Part 2. So $100,000 for any ten people is a screaming deal. Any good plaintiff's attorney would tell you an ordinary life is worth about $2 mil and only goes up from there.;)

jenks
December 1st, 2007, 04:07 PM
Compared to Jeanie?!?! Jeanie helped decipher a few segments of code... Carter worked with Thor, RepliCarter, Baal and Selmak to perfect the PWARW which happens to work on the Asurans just as well as it did on the MW Replicators....


None of that has anything to do with the Asuran base code, something that Carter has zero experience of.

Mitchell82
December 1st, 2007, 06:29 PM
Ripple does have a point though. Not having the time to do something like this is a great example of why Carter should NOT be in charge, of Atlantis or anything else for that matter, IMHO. I think it's a rabid misuse of resources. I'd prefer to keep people doing what they are the best at rather than lose them to "administrative duties". Such a waste. But then again, just my personal opinion.

I disagree. She has proven she can lead the city and at this point this stuff is beyond her IMO.

Avenger
December 1st, 2007, 09:51 PM
In 10 plus years of Carter being in the SG universe, we have never seen her do anything that relates to writing or tinkering with computer code. She wouldn't have been of any use.

SaberBlade
December 1st, 2007, 10:13 PM
In 10 plus years of Carter being in the SG universe, we have never seen her do anything that relates to writing or tinkering with computer code. She wouldn't have been of any use.

That's can't be right.

There has to have been at least one point where she'd done it. Ah, she did work on Avenger at one point. She helped code it.

However I wouldn't be surprised at that. It wasn't very often we got see her have to code anything but we did see her using her laptop when it was connected to alien devices so who knows.

jenks
December 1st, 2007, 10:14 PM
^^ For someone who's name is avenger I'm surprised you said that! :D

garhkal
December 1st, 2007, 11:44 PM
No, no- those figures are all wrong. Remember Woolsey figured out a SG team member was worth somewhat less than $27 mil. in Heroes Part 2. So $100,000 for any ten people is a screaming deal. Any good plaintiff's attorney would tell you an ordinary life is worth about $2 mil and only goes up from there.;)

I used that as an example... not hard figures..

VSS
December 2nd, 2007, 05:21 AM
I used that as an example... not hard figures..

Yes, I realize that. That's why the little emoticon is there.

wise one
December 2nd, 2007, 05:33 AM
well she would some knowledge of the base code i think, since she has been creating programs for the SGC for the past 10 years

she would something on codes

and todds transmitter has been desalbed so it cant transmitt and you cant track it through a stargate let alone an entire galaxy, the wraith sensors cant do that

no sensor can do that!

Shan Bruce Lee
December 2nd, 2007, 12:27 PM
Not the same replicators

I'm gonna say this again - The Peagasus replicators are not the same as the ones that Carter dealt with on SG-1.

toomanysides
December 2nd, 2007, 02:39 PM
My problem is that she wasn't even mentioned. Surely Carter would be much more helpful than Jeannie. They could of mention she was doing something else, and was busy administrating. There is no way Carter in all these years hasn't done coding. Everything (not everything but a lot of the advance tech stuff) is based on coding.

On the other hand The Seer did establish that Carter did not have a place in this project (busy doing other things) nor had the expertise on this kind of replicator coding. At least she would have at good grasp of what McKay is talking about. Honestly I grieve every time she is deprived of jumping in and helping out with the science/tech stuff. Wasted talents/experience. But after all these years Carter deserves to lead something big like Atlantis, and it makes sense.

Amalthea
December 2nd, 2007, 02:56 PM
Ok several points:

1. Since it was obviously a "Rodney" episode, putting Carter in there would have messed it up since deep down, we all know Carter is smarter than Rodney. This was firmly established in SG1 so having her there would have upstaged Rodney.
2. As many people have noted, Carter is Milky Way Replicators, not Pegasus Replicators. They're different beasts.
3. She's a military officer before she's a doctor. Carter herself establishes this in the first ever episode of SG1. Therefore, while I agree it is a waste of a brilliant resource to have her in a management position, being a colonel is obviously important to her. Therefore, she does what TPTB tells her to. If all she ever wanted to do was physics, she'd be Doctor Carter.
4. Landry wasn't in the episode either. We can just presume all the meetings happened without having to see them take place. We are used to seeing Carter every day, thanks to SG1, but really, did we see Hammond or Landry every episode?

jenks
December 2nd, 2007, 08:13 PM
My problem is that she wasn't even mentioned. Surely Carter would be much more helpful than Jeannie. They could of mention she was doing something else, and was busy administrating. There is no way Carter in all these years hasn't done coding. Everything (not everything but a lot of the advance tech stuff) is based on coding.



Why would Carter be more help than Jeannie?

Uber
December 2nd, 2007, 08:54 PM
the un-show and realistic answer???

chances are this episode was written specifically to accomodate AT's time doing the movies, thus she likely wasn't available and they did the eps without her because the actress couldnht' be in two places at the same timeClone Amanda.

Problem solved kthx.

Uber
December 2nd, 2007, 08:58 PM
In 10 plus years of Carter being in the SG universe, we have never seen her do anything that relates to writing or tinkering with computer code. She wouldn't have been of any use.So writing the code to connect the computer to the stargate, assisting in writing the virus to take out Ba'al's stargate, assisting in writing the subroutines to allow O'Neill's 302 to go into hyperspace on autopilot doesn't count?

BTW my answer is there should have been a throwaway line at the beginning of the episode that she too was as stumped as the rest of the science team as they're begging Meredith to email his sister.

jenks
December 2nd, 2007, 09:04 PM
So writing the code to connect the computer to the stargate, assisting in writing the virus to take out Ba'al's stargate, assisting in writing the subroutines to allow O'Neill's 302 to go into hyperspace on autopilot doesn't count?


No it doesn't.

majorsal
December 2nd, 2007, 09:23 PM
My problem is that she wasn't even mentioned. Surely Carter would be much more helpful than Jeannie. They could of mention she was doing something else, and was busy administrating. There is no way Carter in all these years hasn't done coding. Everything (not everything but a lot of the advance tech stuff) is based on coding.

i'd like some explanation of when sam's not there, seeing as she's the commanding officer. of course, they could say she's visiting hubby o'neill in washington for a weekender. :p



On the other hand The Seer did establish that Carter did not have a place in this project (busy doing other things) nor had the expertise on this kind of replicator coding. At least she would have at good grasp of what McKay is talking about. Honestly I grieve every time she is deprived of jumping in and helping out with the science/tech stuff. Wasted talents/experience. But after all these years Carter deserves to lead something big like Atlantis, and it makes sense.

it is hard to see sam not being the go-to-person, but she's got other responsibilities now. and if they SHOW those responsibilities in the show, all the more better! :D




sally :D

Lone Wolf
December 2nd, 2007, 11:19 PM
Ok several points:

1. Since it was obviously a "Rodney" episode, putting Carter in there would have messed it up since deep down, we all know Carter is smarter than Rodney. This was firmly established in SG1 so having her there would have upstaged Rodney.


You know, this is strange but I always felt Rodney was smarter than Sam. I think he screws up easyer because he`s arrogant, nervous and takes bigger risks (don`t throw "blowing up a star" in my face) but deep down I think he might be the smarter one of them. She`s more competent though because she`s more disciplined.

But anyway, this is a very subjective topic since it`s hard to say one person is definately smarter than the other.

Uber
December 2nd, 2007, 11:29 PM
No it doesn't.So writing and editing code has nothing to do with writing and editing code.

Okie dokie.

jenks
December 2nd, 2007, 11:40 PM
So writing and editing code has nothing to do with writing and editing code.


That's not what I said though is it? What has Asuran base code got to do with with any other coding she's worked with? It's not like they're even similar, the Asuran code is all in Ancient for starters.

scholar
December 3rd, 2007, 03:13 AM
My problem is that she wasn't even mentioned. Surely Carter would be much more helpful than Jeannie. They could of mention she was doing something else, and was busy administrating. There is no way Carter in all these years hasn't done coding. Everything (not everything but a lot of the advance tech stuff) is based on coding.

Carter didn't need to be mentioned. Carter is now an admin first, scientist last. Jeannie has been shown to be incredibly intelligent. In both episodes she's been in, they have alluded to the point that she is smarter then Rodney. Plus, by how it was suggested to Rodney to just ask "her" and how she said it was Rodney "again" needing help, I think this was hardly the only time since the previous episode that he come to her for help. Besides, it was Wallace, not the SGC, that picked her to work on this.

Skydiver
December 3rd, 2007, 04:55 AM
So writing the code to connect the computer to the stargate, assisting in writing the virus to take out Ba'al's stargate, assisting in writing the subroutines to allow O'Neill's 302 to go into hyperspace on autopilot doesn't count?

BTW my answer is there should have been a throwaway line at the beginning of the episode that she too was as stumped as the rest of the science team as they're begging Meredith to email his sister.
it is kind of odd that there was no mention of carter. But they have a bad habit of doing that. notice that there was also no mention of 'teyla's off doing.....' to explain her absence either.

It's almost like they forget that there are characters in teh show that may not be in the episode and forget to insert lines to explain their absence

prion
December 3rd, 2007, 05:49 AM
Why would Landry, O'Neill, and/or Woolsey allow a Wraith to come to Earth (who previously hid a subspace transponder/tracking device on himself to reveal Atlantis' location to his brethren) to save a solitary, non-Military, non-American woman?

Because scores of humans are being bumped off in the Pegasus Galaxy, and the Wraith (and Rodney) are the key folk to solving that problem.



Ripple does have a point though. Not having the time to do something like this is a great example of why Carter should NOT be in charge, of Atlantis or anything else for that matter, IMHO. I think it's a rabid misuse of resources. I'd prefer to keep people doing what they are the best at rather than lose them to "administrative duties". Such a waste. But then again, just my personal opinion.

It's called promotion. To get the bigger bucks, prestige, etc. you move up. If Sam declined the promotion, she'd be stuck and would never get another offer. To have her in the lab working on science stuff all the time would be totally unrealistic (yeah, I know it's scifi but it's nice to have a little bit of realism once in a while).

starfox
December 3rd, 2007, 08:03 AM
it is kind of odd that there was no mention of carter. But they have a bad habit of doing that. notice that there was also no mention of 'teyla's off doing.....' to explain her absence either.

It's almost like they forget that there are characters in teh show that may not be in the episode and forget to insert lines to explain their absence

The writers don't need to explain absences in cases like this. They expect us to realize that the CO of the whole base can't go off-world at the drop of a hat; how many times did we seen Hammond or Landry or Weir off-world? If you saw the last few episodes, you know Teyla's got her own problems to deal with, and if you're familiar with the actors you know that Rachel's pregnancy is cutting down on her screen time this season and Amanda's busy with the SG-1 movies. Explaining stuff like this would be a waste of screen time that could be devoted to things that are actually important to the plot.

Uber
December 3rd, 2007, 08:07 AM
That's not what I said though is it? What has Asuran base code got to do with with any other coding she's worked with? It's not like they're even similar, the Asuran code is all in Ancient for starters.Ah but see I wasn't answering you to begin with....I was answering Avenger, who mentioned nothing of the Asurans or their base code but who had suggested Sam had never done anything related to computer programming coding:

In 10 plus years of Carter being in the SG universe, we have never seen her do anything that relates to writing or tinkering with computer code. She wouldn't have been of any use.

Jumper_One
December 3rd, 2007, 08:36 AM
The writers don't need to explain absences in cases like this. They expect us to realize that the CO of the whole base can't go off-world at the drop of a hat; how many times did we seen Hammond or Landry or Weir off-world? If you saw the last few episodes, you know Teyla's got her own problems to deal with, and if you're familiar with the actors you know that Rachel's pregnancy is cutting down on her screen time this season and Amanda's busy with the SG-1 movies. Explaining stuff like this would be a waste of screen time that could be devoted to things that are actually important to the plot.

you're right TBTB don't need to explain absences but it'd be nice to at least mention a missing person (in this case Sam and Teyla). besides it would only take a few seconds

prion
December 3rd, 2007, 08:47 AM
you're right TBTB don't need to explain absences but it'd be nice to at least mention a missing person (in this case Sam and Teyla). besides it would only take a few seconds

A mention of a name can easily be wound into a sentence, like "Carter sends her regards," or something like that.

Jumper_One
December 3rd, 2007, 08:53 AM
A mention of a name can easily be wound into a sentence, like "Carter sends her regards," or something like that.

exactly. I mean even Ronon didn't need to be there, he didn't do anything Shep or someone else couldn't have done. Teyla could be offworld or dealing with baby stuff or whatever, and someone should've at least mentioned Sam when Todd was transferred to Earth

Jeffala
December 3rd, 2007, 08:56 AM
A mention of a name can easily be wound into a sentence, like "Carter sends her regards," or something like that.

Sounds like code words.

"The crow flies at midnight."

Myles
December 3rd, 2007, 09:07 AM
What's the point of just mentioning someone if it doesn't contribute to anything? Just so people remember they're on the show? I agree that Ronon probably wasn't needed, but if he wasn't there an explanation saying this isn't Ronon's type of mission isn't needed. Just like saying Carter's busy running a base and Teyla is investigating her missing people isn't needed either. Unless they could put it in some context that contributes to plot, it seems pointless.

Ripple in Space
December 3rd, 2007, 09:54 AM
1. Since it was obviously a "Rodney" episode, putting Carter in there would have messed it up since deep down, we all know Carter is smarter than Rodney. This was firmly established in SG1 so having her there would have upstaged Rodney.
You know, this is strange but I always felt Rodney was smarter than Sam. I think he screws up easyer because he`s arrogant, nervous and takes bigger risks (don`t throw "blowing up a star" in my face) but deep down I think he might be the smarter one of them. She`s more competent though because she`s more disciplined.

But anyway, this is a very subjective topic since it`s hard to say one person is definately smarter than the other.
Even McKay admits in moments of honesty that Carter's a better scientist than he is, but he maintains that he's smarter, and I agree.


Because scores of humans are being bumped off in the Pegasus Galaxy, and the Wraith (and Rodney) are the key folk to solving that problem.

And they needed to bring the Wraith to Earth to do this? I'm pretty sure there are at least a few computers in Atlantis.

Amalthea
December 3rd, 2007, 11:32 AM
All I know is in SG1 it was always Sam's right, Rodney's wrong. That's the setup the writers created. So, now that they're in contact on a weekly basis, they have to change their interaction standpoint otherwise it will feel too counterintuitive. I mean, how can they go from the SG1 setup to either a) The two of them agreeing 100% on everything; or b) Rodney being right because he's the scientific leader of Atlantis? It's just better to avoid the whole scientific interaction between the two of them and leave Sam as the fearless leader.

Anyway, they are both very, very bright people, but Sam is just more disciplined which is more useful in some instances, but those days are over. lol. I'm good with the scientific future of Atlantis being in Rodney's hands, though.

AutumnDream
December 3rd, 2007, 12:25 PM
lol does not being american make your life less valuable or something?


According to Americans. ;)