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    How many ships to a battlestar group?

    Ok so we know that each battlestar is assigned a battle group this is why each ship has a number like bsg-75 or bsg-62.......however how many ships do you think are assigned to each group? and are they all battlestars. I saw one sight that there were around 120 battlestars and i'm sure there were many more classes of support craft.....so what do you think? Is it like a modern aircraft carrier convoy with one capital ship and support ships or is it several battlestars under the command of a flagship.......this would explain why pegasus had admiral cain as commander and may be a guess as to where the other battlestars come from that were at the scorpion shipyards when the base was attacked.

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    Wet navies in the real world have evolved a great deal over the course of history, so there's no reason why the Colonial navy would have to emulate our modern, diverse setups in any way. Given the prevalence of capital ships we've seen in both the current timeframe and the third promotional Razor flashback, it would stand to reason that the Colonial Navy is built around heavy-hitters supported by planes and specialist craft like Raptors. As such, I see no problem with a heavily Battlestar-dominated roster arranged into a number of small task-forces of several Battlestars each. Since the only conflicts the Colonials have had prior to the Cylon revolt have been civil, there's probably been very little naval evolution beyond the simple concept of Battlestars protected by planes.

    Of course, it's also worth noting that the number of groups could also be far, far fewer than 75. It's perfectly within reason that any number of Groups could have been either deactivated or absorbed into others, just look at the defunct 1st and 4th USN Fleets.
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      #3
      well in the show a fleet support craft has been seen. Or at least that's what's being said. The defender:

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      which was seen in lay down your burdens pt 2. (apparently there are guns on the model that was produced for the show though they are obviously unclear there. plus the colonies still have problems with pirates and rebels and so forth. so occasionaly an escort for convoys and other such duties would be warrented though the use of a battlestar may be over kill.
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        #4
        As you know, the Defender was initially a fan-made kitbash, so the inclusion is more likely just a nod to a creative fan than a true canon vessel. Couple that with the fact that in three full seasons (the Defender appears a number of times, including the final scenes of Crossroads) there has been absolutely no reference to another military ship in the fleet, i'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the Defender isn't a military model.

        I'm thinking you might be right, it could be a civilian gunship or simply a design for providing armed escort for civilian convoys. We know for a fact that there are armed ships in Galactica's civilian fleet (see: Adriatic), so there are definitely armed civvies out there. While you could argue that the Defender is an ex-military model relinquished to civilian duties, wouldn't Galactica have made a move to reactivate it early on? Even a ship that small would be useful in holding off a Cylon attack, and yet we've never seen it fire a shot or participate in any military action.

        Yep, i'm sticking with my conclusion that the Colonial navy is Battlestar-centric, with maybe a few smaller ships for picket duties or something. Therefore, a Battlestar Group would be just that; a group of Battlestars
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          #5
          Yeah the Defender was a rip off on a fan ship, just like they ripped off the design of a Desanto's failed production, 'borrowed' the concept for a British assault rifle in the series, plagiarized TOS celestra design, put SG1 P90s in the BSG show, plagiarized 2001 Space Odyssey and stuck a Cola Can in the parking garage on Caprica.

          The re-imagined Pegasus was Battlestar Group 62 it had about 2,000 crew left and the Pegasus cannibalized other ships to keep itself flying. Glen Larson was going to try a continuation of the "The Living Legend" storyline in the 90s, it is much debated what size this Battle group would have been.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Kick-Kinsey View Post
            Yeah the Defender was a rip off on a fan ship, just like they ripped off the design of a Desanto's failed production, 'borrowed' the concept for a British assault rifle in the series, plagiarized TOS celestra design, put SG1 P90s in the BSG show, plagiarized 2001 Space Odyssey and stuck a Cola Can in the parking garage on Caprica.
            Jayne - Ain't logical. Cuttin' on his own face, rapin' and murdering - Hell, I'll kill a man in a fair fight... or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight, or if he bothers me, or if there's a woman, or if I'm gettin' paid - mostly only when I'm gettin' paid. But these Reavers... last ten years they show up like the bogeyman from stories. Eating people alive? Where's that get fun?
            Kaylee - Shepherd Book said they was men who just reached the edge of space, saw a vasty nothingness, and went bibbledy over it.
            Jayne - Oh, hell, i've been to the edge. Just looked like... more space.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Kick-Kinsey View Post
              Yeah the Defender was a rip off on a fan ship, just like they ripped off the design of a Desanto's failed production, 'borrowed' the concept for a British assault rifle in the series, plagiarized TOS celestra design, put SG1 P90s in the BSG show, plagiarized 2001 Space Odyssey and stuck a Cola Can in the parking garage on Caprica.

              The re-imagined Pegasus was Battlestar Group 62 it had about 2,000 crew left and the Pegasus cannibalized other ships to keep itself flying. Glen Larson was going to try a continuation of the "The Living Legend" storyline in the 90s, it is much debated what size this Battle group would have been.
              wow that's......................harsh. i'm sure the designer of the defender most likely thinks it's the coolest thing in the world that his design is in the show even if he didn't get paid for it. (most likely not i know). As for the celestra, in case you haven't noticed half the fleet is based on the same designs as the original. colonial movers or the gemmenon traveller for example. hell why not have a go at them for using the vipers while you're at it........the assault rifle and the P-90............They're props......shows can't afford to make newly designed props for guns so they use pre-existing models. Not really any problem in that. I clearly recall seeing P-90's in an episode of andromeda once, and in doctor who. Hell bsg probably got the guns from the same prop department as sg-1.......in the end who cares.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mefusta View Post
                Yep, i'm sticking with my conclusion that the Colonial navy is Battlestar-centric, with maybe a few smaller ships for picket duties or something. Therefore, a Battlestar Group would be just that; a group of Battlestars
                I would tend to agree with this; the only comment from the show that draws questioning (and I know I bring this up every time, but it's a sticking point with me) is Cain's "Five ships, two of them Battlestars, they were destroyed right there." That certainly suggests to me that the smaller ships were a more central part of the force - but I could be way off target.
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                  #9
                  i'd say that would indicate that as well. since it was a military shipyard.
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                    #10
                    I will have to agree with the previous two posters. From evidence so far in the show, both spoken and visual, it seems Battlestars are not the dominant ship type in the colonial fleet. They are probably akin to battleships or aircraft carriers in fleet organization in modern naval warfare.

                    The other possibility is that the Colonials use "Battlestar" as a generic term for any armed, military starship. In which case all our points are moot.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tain View Post
                      The other possibility is that the Colonials use "Battlestar" as a generic term for any armed, military starship. In which case all our points are moot.
                      I don't think so, because of the above quote from Cain. The Scorpion Fleet Yards were for military vessels, and 3 of the 5 ships blown up at the beginning of the assault weren't Battlestars.
                      Battlestars are certainly the most significant Colonial warships.

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                        #12
                        well battlestars are clearly the flagships of the fleet, but i'd say that even though it seems like there are othere types of ships than battlestars i'd say there are different types of battlestars. like for example the pegasus seems to be a heavy warship or a dreadnought, designed to break through enemy lines with a barage of forward fire, whereas the valkyrie appeared to be quite a bit smaller and lightly armed. even its hull plating appeared thinner than the pegasus and galactica. so perhaps that class is meant as something more akin to a cruiser.
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                          Originally posted by BubblingOverWithIdeas View Post
                          I don't think so, because of the above quote from Cain. The Scorpion Fleet Yards were for military vessels, and 3 of the 5 ships blown up at the beginning of the assault weren't Battlestars.
                          Battlestars are certainly the most significant Colonial warships.
                          Not quite. There are many types of military ships that are not necessarily armed. Military freighters, troop transports, electronic warfare vessels, refueling ships, etc. There are literally dozens of large craft types that could easily have no weapons, but belong to the colonial navy. So if "Battlestar" is the colonial term for "warship" then there could have been many colonial fleet ships at scorpion fleet yard that were not Battlestars.

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