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November 15th, 2007, 08:47 PM
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wheresmyfroggy
November 16th, 2007, 07:44 PM
hahahahaha, wraith jokes! slightly funnier than jaffa jokes, IMO.

OobeDoobBenubi
November 16th, 2007, 08:00 PM
It was nice seeing a hot alien babe who for once did not have the hots for Sheppard & Richard is back to being an annoying *******.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Solid Ep, I liked it, although the ending was a bit... meh

The Wraith joke was quality, shame they went cheapo on the Wraith Vs Wraith scene...

Not sure if I'm going to watch it on SciFi again, the amount of commercials was doing my head in, and is impotence really that much of a problem in the US?! :confused:

Sweetsong
November 16th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Good episode overall, like the last couple eps there was alot going on. Woosley is such a *!!%^&*. This new twist with the replicators now targeting humans, the wraith food supply is interesting.

Am guessing Rachel Lutrell was farther along in her pregnancy than Teyla is supposed to be. The well placed computer monitor in carters office during the opening scene was a little obvious, as well as the dark colored outfit she wore throughout the ep.

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:06 PM
It was nice seeing a hot alien babe who for once did not have the hots for Sheppard

Uh, the first scene. ;)

That said, I think both were a little too busy.

That said, did we really need to see a 100% cloned battle scene between two hive ships? Would have liked a more memorable battle there instead of a reused scene from The Hive.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Wow what an excellent episode I'm still trying to get over the dramatic high. This episode was great from start to finish. Loved the interaction between Carter and woolsey, loved the guy who played Davos he was very good. Loved the reaction with Teyla when he said he knew. I loved Todd here again and hope we really forge a relationship with him. Everyone was spot on in this ep 10/10.
Favorite Quote:
Carter: "Shut Up Wollsey!"
Wollsey: *looks stuned and slowly walks away with tail between his legs.*

Xicer
November 16th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Definitely a better episode than what we've been seeing. Things are starting to really move now. Teyla's pregnancy wasn't a shocker since most of us already knew about it a long time ago. lol at the Wraith joke, that was a first. Woolsey was great as usual. I thought it would have been nice to see a bit more of Davos himself in the episode but whatever. I'm not sure what importance his daughter was supposed to play in this episode but at least she wasn't being Kirked by Shep...Anyway, I can't wait to see what events cause that last vision to come true.

OobeDoobBenubi
November 16th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Uh, the first scene. ;)


But nothing came of it like usual. So for me I can ignore the first scene unlike Jill Wagners character

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Uh, the first scene. ;)

That said, I think both were a little too busy.

That said, did we really need to see a 100% cloned battle scene between two hive ships? Would have liked a more memorable battle there instead of a reused scene from The Hive.

Uh that was new though it looked completly different. It wasn't reused I thought it was great.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:11 PM
Definitely a better episode than what we've been seeing. Things are starting to really move now. Teyla's pregnancy wasn't a shocker since most of us already knew about it a long time ago. lol at the Wraith joke, that was a first. Woolsey was great as usual. I thought it would have been nice to see a bit more of Davos himself in the episode but whatever. I'm not sure what importance his daughter was supposed to play in this episode but at least she wasn't being Kirked by Shep...Anyway, I can't wait to see what events cause that last vision to come true.

Really? We've been getting solid eps all season and this is no exception.

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:11 PM
But nothing came of it like usual. So for me I can ignore the first scene unlike Jill Wagners character

True.

Did anyone catch the whole "I've lost most of my influence amongst the Wraith" line? Considering he had a whole hive loyal to him without any leaks I'm wondering just how large a fleet he had (whether he had an alliance of wraith comparable to The Queen from Submersion).

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:12 PM
What made this episode interesting was all the trust issues going back and forth. You did not know how it was going to end. Carter trusted "The Seer" but had a hard time accepting that a future cannot be changed.

Anyway, this ep is just setting up for the mid-season which I cannot wait for! Should be really good!

Ruined_puzzle
November 16th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Did they show a promo for Millar's Crossing?

OobeDoobBenubi
November 16th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Did they show a promo for Millar's Crossing?

Yep

Xicer
November 16th, 2007, 08:14 PM
Really? We've been getting solid eps all season and this is no exception.

Personally, I was a bit disappointed by the first few episodes, especially after reading up on how good they were gonna be. They progressively started getting better but were still going a little slow. It wasn't until this episode that I finally got the feeling that this season is gonna turn out awesome.

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:15 PM
Uh that was new though it looked completly different. It wasn't reused I thought it was great.

Then you need to rewatch The Hive again. Particularly when the two hive ships blow up. The one further blows up first, the shockwave destroys the other, the other burns for a second before being blown in two and then blown into smithereens. The weapons fire may have also been slowed down somewhat and the darts removed, but it was the same scene. They were also facing the same direction.

I'm not saying that it ruined the episode for me. The episode was still a 9/10.

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Personally, I was a bit disappointed by the first few episodes, especially after reading up on how good they were gonna be. They progressively started getting better but were still going a little slow. It wasn't until this episode that I finally got the feeling that this season is gonna turn out awesome.

Agreed! This episode is basically um how can I describe it, as lighting the fuse to a very large firecracker! :p

Zatnikitelman
November 16th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Anyone else notice the offworld Stargate? It looked obviously digital and was more yellowy orangey than Pegasus 'Gates used to be.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 08:19 PM
I think they might have slightly changed it, got rid of the darts or something, but that's about it...

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 08:19 PM
Jelgate's Two CentsI had high expectation for this episode. Those expectations were not only met but exceeded. Its nice to see that we learned our lesson the last time we had an alliance with the Wraith.?* Working with them was a very dangerous thing and could easuily have costed the destruction of Atlantis. I can sum of the CGI shots in one word:MAGNIFICENT.It was very nice to see some aspects of the Asuran/Wraith War and how desperate both sides had become. To resort to tatics of killing worlds to stop food for the Wraith was horrific.?* And on to Carter. I found it very enjoyable?* to see her strugle with her decisions?*on Atlantis and having to put up with that ****** Woosley. I probably would have resorted to punching in the face. Davos was an interesting character, too actually be able to see the future is amazing even if its scienctifically imposible.?* Now we don't have to put spoilers around words describing her pregancy. I'm just wondering when the Atalntis team will find out. I dare you to tell me Keller was annoying in this episode. What limitied?* time she had was solid acting. Ronon and Teyla didn't do much in this episode?* but that is to be expected in a space episode. We still don't know much about the Athosians. Personally, I want it be an ongoing search for about. We learn a little bit every episode until we finally find them. McKay was incredibly calm in this episode doing what he does best. I'm glad he has evolved past his whinning. Sheppard was Sheppard nothing great nothing bad. I will end with this speculation, the attack Carter sees will appear in the mid-season three parter. Surperb job. Allan.
Favorite QuoteSheppard:Its not like were dating
and that is Jelgate's two cents?*

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:19 PM
Anyone else notice the offworld Stargate? It looked obviously digital and was more yellowy orangey than Pegasus 'Gates used to be.

The gates have appeared more CG as of late. This will however be the most computer generated season to air.

freyr's mother
November 16th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Despite the presence of a Seer, this episode was very unpredictable. Which is a good thing.

Jackie
November 16th, 2007, 08:21 PM
Okay--wraith humor made the ep. LMAO...the only thing that could have made that joke funnier is if Sam where to place her hands behind her back.

I like RP and he did a great job but I do get tired of woosely's whining.

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:21 PM
Despite the presence of a Seer, this episode was very unpredictable. Which is a good thing.

I think that is what made this episode very interesting. You did not know who to trust.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 08:22 PM
I think the more they get into the individual wraith characters the better the show gets.

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I think that is what made this episode very interesting. You did not know who to trust.

That episode made it one of the best this season. Just when you think it's Allies redux boom we're rewarded with a tremendous surprise, I honestly thought that last communique and then the powering up of weapons was at would result in Sheppard destroying the hive, but instead, the two hives did in each other.

idlewild202
November 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I really liked this episode!! I have been waiting all season for a sit on the edge of your seat not sure what's going to happen episode. For once I don't have something to complain about.

No, wait, I lie.... the wraith makeup was awful, umm, dreadlocks? The dude needed a shower.

I loved the scene between Rodney and John when they were discussing about trusting a wraith and John was being like a comforting father figure to Rodney who was just fustrated. I liked seeing an interaction between them besides the normal bickering/banter.

Loved the interaction between Carter and Woolsey, the "Woolsey Shut up" line was priceless. She handles him so well.

And of course, LOL at the wraith joke, though, I thought the jaffa joke was a bit funnier. :D

I saw the ending coming a mile away with the wraith hives, I mean, come on, HOW many times now have two wraith ships showed up and just when we thought they were gonna blow us to bits... and then oh wait, they are destroying each other! Everybody be happy! ......been there done that, it's getting old, NEXT!

Maybe things are looking up for this season, so far it's just seemed like a bunch of random episodes remotely strung together, no real story arch, no direction (or... if there was a story arch in the beginning I've forgotten it by now because it wasn't that interesting). Now we might finally have something to work on, I hope they play alot on this virus and the replicators coming to destroy Atlantis. That could make for a good season if they play it right.

I give this one a 9.5 out of 10, I really liked it. Next week looks, meh, okay, could be funny. But I liked this episode, favorite so far :)

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:25 PM
The wraith have become so complexed now. The first season it was like, all they are are aliens that suck the life out of you. Now they are a deeper more complexed enemy, and who knows how this war is going to turn out.

Major_Griff
November 16th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Good episode. I was kinda disa pointed that this ended without having the Replicators attack, but I realized that it's more realistic and will be some nice set up for later on. I did like that the ep ended with the CG wraith still working w/ Rodney on the virus, that along with the Teyla pregnancy/Athosian story definatly shows that this season with be more arcy than previous one's which is a plus. I liked the Carter Woolsey stuff. And the wraith joke was great. I actually was thinking when Carter introduced herself it would funny if he tried to shake hands and then when he did it I thought it was hilarious. I liked the way he laughed about it after he said it, really sold the whole thing. The seer was a good casting choice, I liked him. Overall, 8/10. This season really is shaping up to be good. Miller's Crossing preview looked good. Too bad we have to wait two weeks for it.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 08:26 PM
The wraith have become so complexed now. The first season it was like, all they are are aliens that suck the life out of you. Now they are a deeper more complexed enemy, and who knows how this war is going to turn out.It looks like the Wraith will become even more complex in the mid-season three parter:)

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 08:28 PM
The wraith have become so complexed now. The first season it was like, all they are are aliens that suck the life out of you. Now they are a deeper more complexed enemy, and who knows how this war is going to turn out.

yeah that's what I mean. The more they get into characters like Michael and this guy (I don't know his name) the more we learn about the Wraith. Plus the guy from 'Travelers' I'm looking forward to seeing him come back a little more now.

rarocks24
November 16th, 2007, 08:29 PM
The wraith have become so complexed now. The first season it was like, all they are are aliens that suck the life out of you. Now they are a deeper more complexed enemy, and who knows how this war is going to turn out.

Things we've learned this episode.

1) That brings the total Wraith ships destroyed up to a big giant whopping 12 hives. If Mckay's estimates are correct, that means there are 48 currently operational hive ships in Pegasus. I'm going to add in a speculation from what Sheppard said about the Wraith getting their asses kicked a +5 hive ships destroyed. Leaving 2/3 left of Mckay's estimate. We have no idea how many cruisers the Wraith have.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Another thing I might is there is no way that this was a rip-off of an SG-1

prion
November 16th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Wraith have a sense of humor. Who would have thunk? ;)

It's not that people are going to find out about Teyla's pregnancy, it's that she's gonna start showing (well, she is, but....) Now if she were US military, she'd be pulled out of the field. Since she's not, she can stay on the team until, well, it's determined her condition could be dangerous for the rest of them (can't run as fast, whatever). Since next week (er, two weeks) is "Miller's Crossing" (which I can't wait for!), I guess perhaps the next episode she might drop this bomb on Sheppard and the team. She's gotta tell 'em eventually.

Yawn, late, so will rewatch WITHOUT ads (interesting to see ads for ABC news on SciFi!).

Only bugaboo? Carter's uniform. It looked too tight on the last shot as she and Sheppard left the gateroom.

And the wraith is just gonna hang around Atlantis?? Hmm....

ViperPC
November 16th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Anyone else notice the offworld Stargate? It looked obviously digital and was more yellowy orangey than Pegasus 'Gates used to be.


yea it did look different.......the color was diff and it had a piece of rounded trim around the outside......its the first time they used it on the show?....
Viper

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Things we've learned this episode.1) That brings the total Wraith ships destroyed up to a big giant whopping 12 hives. If Mckay's estimates are correct, that means there are 48 currently operational hive ships in Pegasus. I'm going to add in a speculation from what Sheppard said about the Wraith getting their asses kicked a +5 hive ships destroyed. Leaving 2/3 left of Mckay's estimate. We have no idea how many cruisers the Wraith have.Whose to say that more Hive ships haven't been built since McKay said that statment especially with The Asuran/Wraith War

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Only bugaboo? Carter's uniform. It looked too tight on the last shot as she and Sheppard left the gateroom.


There's no such thing as "too tight" for Carter. The shoulders on the other hand... that alwasy gets on my nerves when their shoulders look all pointy.

Vala_M
November 16th, 2007, 08:36 PM
Wow! What a great episode. Davos was cool. Nice to see the Wraith from "Common Ground" again and I'm glad they didn't kill him. The Asurans targeting humans, I'm not surprised to hear that since that possibility was mentioned before, at least in terms of the nanovirus stuff killing humans.

How would Atlantis end up getting destroyed by the Asurans? And why only one ship hovering right above instead of orbit and only a few drones at a time? Why wasn't Atlantis's shield up either? We know that the drones don't go through Ancient shields. And I can't really see Atlantis getting destroyed so I really don't know. If this ends up coming true in another episode, maybe it was some other city somewhere or something or maybe somewhere else on Asuras and they blow it up. They never said that it was Atlantis did they? Well, I know I'm dwelling a lot on this but that was the one thing that this episode didn't solve for me. This episode also reminded me of "Prophecy" in SG-1 especially in terms of the decisions they had to make in regards to the possible futures, especially when McKay mentioned the possbility of seeing possible futures just like Carter did.

The hives ship destroying each other was kind of unexpected but yeah, that scene was just the reuse of the Wraith battle from "The Hive".

I am disappointed that we didn't find out who the father of Teyla's baby was.

And it is nice to finally see another Wraith episode, I have missed them. I don't care if the producers always intended the Asurans to be the main enemy or not, they are not as cool as the Wraith. I wonder how that Wraith virus to shut off the Asurans will work out. And will they go back to attacking Atlantis again like before?

Vala,

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Then you need to rewatch The Hive again. Particularly when the two hive ships blow up. The one further blows up first, the shockwave destroys the other, the other burns for a second before being blown in two and then blown into smithereens. The weapons fire may have also been slowed down somewhat and the darts removed, but it was the same scene. They were also facing the same direction.

I'm not saying that it ruined the episode for me. The episode was still a 9/10.

Ok you're right they just erased the darts. Still why make a scene when you have one that will work? It good to save money for really big things than waste it on something that you can use and looks great. The episode was great and I didn't notice. It's not a big deal.

the fifth man
November 16th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Wraith have a sense of humor. Who would have thunk? ;)

And the wraith is just gonna hang around Atlantis?? Hmm....

I thought his little joke was really great.:) As for him hanging around Atlantis, that should be very interesting.

Overall, I thought this was a very strong episode. I enjoyed it pretty much from start to finish.

prion
November 16th, 2007, 08:44 PM
There's no such thing as "too tight" for Carter. The shoulders on the other hand... that alwasy gets on my nerves when their shoulders look all pointy.

Hmm, really? ;) But the shoulders, they're slightly padded, the jackets are form-fitting, and those darts in the back.... I so miss the days of the old BDUs and plain old black t-shirts.

but anyway, the father of Teyla's baby is probably Kanan, whom she mentioned in "Missing" (previous episode). In fact, I think Rachel Luttrell said it was in a recent interview.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:44 PM
yea it did look different.......the color was diff and it had a piece of rounded trim around the outside......its the first time they used it on the show?....
Viper

They have used digital gates all season. It's cheaper and easier that way. JM said that it was become very cumbersome having a gate to move from location to location. I actually like it, it looks more futuristic.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 08:46 PM
They have used digital gates all season. It's cheaper and easier that way. JM said that it was become very cumbersome having a gate to move from location to location. I actually like it, it looks more futuristic.

It's a pity they've consistently ****ed up the CG for them.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Personally, I was a bit disappointed by the first few episodes, especially after reading up on how good they were gonna be. They progressively started getting better but were still going a little slow. It wasn't until this episode that I finally got the feeling that this season is gonna turn out awesome.

Really. Hmm I thought Adrift started off strong and it just got better from there. Well to each's own but this is sure one hell of a season.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:47 PM
It's a pity they've consistently ****ed up the CG for them.

I thought it looked fine. I think the CG has been great all around.

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:47 PM
yeah that's what I mean. The more they get into characters like Michael and this guy (I don't know his name) the more we learn about the Wraith. Plus the guy from 'Travelers' I'm looking forward to seeing him come back a little more now.

The replicators have been straight forward until what happened to Dr. Weir. That made them more complexed or at least made Weir more complexed. It's good when the enemies are not just cut and dry.

technoextreme
November 16th, 2007, 08:48 PM
How would Atlantis end up getting destroyed by the Asurans? And why only one ship hovering right above instead of orbit and only a few drones at a time? Why wasn't Atlantis's shield up either? We know that the drones don't go through Ancient shields. And I can't really see Atlantis getting destroyed so I really don't know. If this ends up coming true in another episode, maybe it was some other city somewhere or something or maybe somewhere else on Asuras and they blow it up. They never said that it was Atlantis did they?

Yes they did. I don't know of many cityships that have Shepard running through it. Im pretty sure there was other people shown. As for the shields Shepard said it best. We have no idea when that is supposed to happen. For all we know the ZPMs are depleted and the city is completely vulnerable.

Uber
November 16th, 2007, 08:48 PM
That was such an enjoyable episode. I'll have more to say this weekend sometime but for now...here are the two best moments of The Seer:
Wraith: I believe among your people it is customary to shake hands.

*Wraith reaches hand out, the guards around Sam cock their guns and Sam doesn't budge*

Wraith *laughing*: Just a little Wraith humor. *continues laughing*



Sam: Shut up, Woolsey!!! ... One more word out of you and I will have you removed!ahahahahahahahaha

Sam +1, idiot bureaucrat 0

:)

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Ok you're right they just erased the darts. Still why make a scene when you have one that will work? It good to save money for really big things than waste it on something that you can use and looks great. The episode was great and I didn't notice. It's not a big deal.

yeah doesn't seem like a big deal to me either. If the scene had been like a huge 10 minute space battle it might be different but it was like what 10 seconds?

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 08:49 PM
I thought it looked fine. I think the CG has been great all around.

The CG gates have the wrong number of chevrons.

Ruffles
November 16th, 2007, 08:49 PM
The Seer is an ep that has to sink in a bit - there's just so much going on: Woolsey there to perform Carter's 3 month evaluation, the CG Wraith (I just can't call him Todd) back to strike a deal, the search for the Athosians, and a seer complicating the works.

Good stuff:
* Teyla's pleading for her team and Carter to exhaust every method to find her people no matter how ridiculous - and them going along with it
* McKay being willing to be the guinea pig since he was the skeptic. What a challenge it must have been for Rodney to try to reconcile his knowledge of science with the experience of the vision (which turned out to be true).
* Davos being genuine and his people being nice. Surely someone must be trustworthy in Pegasus
* the return of the CG Wraith - Chris Heyerdahl is so spectacular in this role and the chemistry between Sheppard and the Wraith is emmensely watchable. I wasn't sure from the end of CG how the next meeting would go, but there was more mistrust and angst than I expected (that just never gets old)
* several mentions of Weir - I love continuity.
* the complete uncertainty of everyone - Atlantis with the Wraith, Woolsey with everyone, Carter with herself and Davos' visions. It leant a real edge-of-your-seat feeling.
* the easy reveal of Teyla's pregnancy. I'm so looking forward to watching her tell her team.
* Keller - calm, cool and collected off-world; confident of her abilities on Atlantis; her easy recognition that Woolsey was only interested in studying the man and her discomfort with that; her gentleness with Davos and his daughter
* the conversation between Sheppard and McKay over whose fault it is that the replicators are destroying humans (did they take the Athosians?); a heartfelt talk between two adults
* "Just a little Wraith humor" - might be one of my alltime favorite quotes
* the balcony conversation between Carter and Sheppard - more between two equals than a boss and subordinate. I love her trust of Sheppard's instincts with the Wraith and being willing to listen to his advice.
* Carter standing up to Woolsey just as the battle begins. You go girl! (I really liked her in this.)
* Sheppard's willingness to follow Carter's orders
* leaving the Wraith on Atlantis - totally didn't expect that.

Questions:
* did someone take out that tracking device?
* what happens while McKay's on Earth in the next ep? Will the Wraith take up needlepoint until he gets back and they can finish the job?
* when will Atlantis' destruction take place? The Last Man?
* how did the seer get to be advanced? Is it genetic? Are there more of them out there?
* how are they going to load the virus into the replicators?
* where did Ronon go at the end of the ep?

This was a great bridge ep, tying together little strands we've seen so far and beginning to weave a picture.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 08:51 PM
The replicators have been straight forward until what happened to Dr. Weir. That made them more complexed or at least made Weir more complexed. It's good when the enemies are not just cut and dry.
:indeed:3D enemies are better than 2D enemies

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:51 PM
The CG gates have the wrong number of chevrons.

No they don't the gates are implanted in the ground meaning you don't see all chevrons like the Atlantis gate.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 08:52 PM
No they don't the gates are implanted in the ground meaning you don't see all chevrons like the Atlantis gate.

Yes they do, I'll post pics if you want.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/310/return1%5F0023.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/320/firststrike0302.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s4/401/adrift%5F0209.jpg

Briangate78
November 16th, 2007, 08:53 PM
That was such an enjoyable episode. I'll have more to say this weekend sometime but for now...here are the two best moments of The Seer:

ahahahahahahahaha

Sam +1, idiot bureaucrat 0

:)

LOL! That was great! Carter made me proud!

I liked the little conversation she was having on the deck with Sheppard.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Hmm, really? ;) But the shoulders, they're slightly padded, the jackets are form-fitting, and those darts in the back.... I so miss the days of the old BDUs and plain old black t-shirts.

Shoulder pads are so 1986.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 08:56 PM
The Seer is an ep that has to sink in a bit - there's just so much going on: Woolsey there to perform Carter's 3 month evaluation, the CG Wraith (I just can't call him Todd) back to strike a deal, the search for the Athosians, and a seer complicating the works.

Good stuff:
* Teyla's pleading for her team and Carter to exhaust every method to find her people no matter how ridiculous - and them going along with it
* McKay being willing to be the guinea pig since he was the skeptic. What a challenge it must have been for Rodney to try to reconcile his knowledge of science with the experience of the vision (which turned out to be true).
* Davos being genuine and his people being nice. Surely someone must be trustworthy in Pegasus
* the return of the CG Wraith - Chris Heyerdahl is so spectacular in this role and the chemistry between Sheppard and the Wraith is emmensely watchable. I wasn't sure from the end of CG how the next meeting would go, but there was more mistrust and angst than I expected (that just never gets old)
* several mentions of Weir - I love continuity.
* the complete uncertainty of everyone - Atlantis with the Wraith, Woolsey with everyone, Carter with herself and Davos' visions. It leant a real edge-of-your-seat feeling.
* the easy reveal of Teyla's pregnancy. I'm so looking forward to watching her tell her team.
* Keller - calm, cool and collected off-world; confident of her abilities on Atlantis; her easy recognition that Woolsey was only interested in studying the man and her discomfort with that; her gentleness with Davos and his daughter
* the conversation between Sheppard and McKay over whose fault it is that the replicators are destroying humans (did they take the Athosians?); a heartfelt talk between two adults
* "Just a little Wraith humor" - might be one of my alltime favorite quotes
* the balcony conversation between Carter and Sheppard - more between two equals than a boss and subordinate. I love her trust of Sheppard's instincts with the Wraith and being willing to listen to his advice.
* Carter standing up to Woolsey just as the battle begins. You go girl! (I really liked her in this.)
* Sheppard's willingness to follow Carter's orders
* leaving the Wraith on Atlantis - totally didn't expect that.
Agreed this was a very good ep.


Questions:
* did someone take out that tracking device?
No it was pointless to at that point, but it could be a problem.

* what happens while McKay's on Earth in the next ep? Will the Wraith take up needlepoint until he gets back and they can finish the job?
Most likely it will be unexplained but he will likely continue to work on it under guard.

* when will Atlantis' destruction take place? The Last Man?
A preview of events to come but like one of my favorite lines from T2. "The Future is not set, it is what we make it." Not 100% accurate but close enough. Most likely from either "Last Man" or BAMSR.

* how did the seer get to be advanced? Is it genetic? Are there more of them out there?
Keller said it. A genetic mistake.

* how are they going to load the virus into the replicators?
Good question.

* where did Ronon go at the end of the ep?
Not a clue but we know he goes to Earth in Millars Crossing.

technoextreme
November 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM
* how are they going to load the virus into the replicators?
We'll probably see that in the midseason episode. It's kind of obvious reading the spoilers. Though my best guess is the same way the wraith was suggesting in the episode with Ronan's brainwashed buddies.
A preview of events to come but like one of my favorite lines from T2. "The Future is not set, it is what we make it." Not 100% accurate but close enough. Most likely from either "Last Man" or BAMSR.
Actually, the guy implied the images were 100% accurate. The only discrepancies were the rationals that everyone had.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM
It's wireless, they just need to get close.

technoextreme
November 16th, 2007, 09:05 PM
It's wireless, they just need to get close.
What is?

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 09:08 PM
Uploading the virus.

technoextreme
November 16th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Uploading the virus.
Didn't they introduce the code modifications through a central sever which could in theory overwrite their modifications which would put them back at square one.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 09:15 PM
Good point.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 09:15 PM
Yes they do, I'll post pics if you want.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/310/return1%5F0023.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/320/firststrike0302.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s4/401/adrift%5F0209.jpg

I decided to double check and the Pegasus gates have always had 8. The Atlantis gate and dhd were designed to go to Earth but all the gates in PG have had 8.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 09:20 PM
I thought his little joke was really great.:) As for him hanging around Atlantis, that should be very interesting.

Overall, I thought this was a very strong episode. I enjoyed it pretty much from start to finish.

Agreed. This season has been great and this is surely no exception.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 09:21 PM
This was the best episode of the season

Homeslice55
November 16th, 2007, 09:23 PM
Another thing I might is there is no way that this was a rip-off of an SG-1

I really liked this episode, but what really grinds my gears is Sam has direct experience with this "psychic vision" with Jonas in Season 6: Prophecy. And they don't ever mention it. Which makes me wonder if they don't want to admit this idea has been seen before.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind seeing repeats of cool ideas, but I don't want to act like they are brand new.

Also, my prediction, the city in the "sight" Sam saw was probably the replicator city. I think Atlantis will stumble onto another ancient warship. However, I am not a seer, just a predictor.

But overall, I really liked this episode. Especially because Carter has seemed a little weak to me, and her talk with the Wraith ended any doubt I had.

9.5/10!!!

And on a side note: I don't appreciate the sad attempt to make Sheppard into Oneill with all the, "have fun kids," "lets go kids" type of lines.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 09:25 PM
I decided to double check and the Pegasus gates have always had 8. The Atlantis gate and dhd were designed to go to Earth but all the gates in PG have had 8.

No they don't. It's a mistake. You can't have done much checking.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s1/101/adina/adinasga%5F1%5F779.jpg

GateLadyM
November 16th, 2007, 09:30 PM
This episode had potential, but didn't quite hit on all cylinders for me.

Carter is only playing Weir. She is neither scientist nor soldier, only an administrator making the same decisions and saying the same lines Weir did. I thought she was supposed to be an improvement.?.?

The uniforms for Carter and Keller are awful and not the least bit flattering.

The whole yelling at Woolsey is old, especially for fans who have seen him on SG1, so the whole, "Shut up Woolsey" line just made me roll my eyes. How may times have Carter/O'Neill/Hammond, etc. said the same thing?

For an episode called, "The Seer", we sure didn't see much of the Seer, and that was a disappointment. He seemed like a cool dude and I wanted to know him better. I wish there had been more between him and Teyla. Its also disappointing that no one seems very worried about the Athosians, and the team doesn't seem to be very supportive of Teyla. She is sorta left hanging "out there".

Keller was her usual meh. Davos dude dies, his daughter bursts into tears, and Keller is the usual wooden self, "I'm sorry". Carson would have been much more empathetic. I guess she is cool because she looks hot, but I'd rather have a character with some personality.

Best part was CG Wraith, especially the "Wraith joke" bit. I do wonder why he calls Sheppard by name, but no one bothers to ask him if he has a name, or what they should call him. Do they just say, "Hey you" to him?

Not sure about next week. Trailer on SciFi didn't look too hot, even with McKay's sister (who I loved).

tombraider
November 16th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Great episode. Just shows you what great writing can do for the show.
- Nice new arc with the destraction of the city. It remains to be seen, sets some suspense. I am pretty sure that some of the vision images are easy to misinterpret and of course there will be no complete destruction, just some believably emotional trashing. ;)
- Wraith humor. The enemy is becoming more complex and humanized. Excellent.
- Aurora ship briefly featuring in the visions is most likely Travelers, as we were never able to locate Tria. They might be even helping, not destroying Atlantis. Although, who knows. It might be even another lost slightly malfunctioning Aincient ship. There are so many in this galaxy, Aicients ascended quite thoughtlessly, while abandoning plenty of strategic weapons. :sheppardanime31:
- I liked the contrast behavior of Keller back in Atlantis. Completely competent and cool, the way it should be when she is in her sphere.


True.

Did anyone catch the whole "I've lost most of my influence amongst the Wraith" line? Considering he had a whole hive loyal to him without any leaks I'm wondering just how large a fleet he had (whether he had an alliance of wraith comparable to The Queen from Submersion).

That is a very interesting thought. It seems that our Wraith is an important one. Makes one wonder HOW Genii managed to capture him, but it is understandable WHY they might have wanted to. It is a very promising arc too.

This episode was one of those when we realize just why and how much we love this show. N'est pas? :jack_new_anime04:

Wilson3Girl
November 16th, 2007, 09:39 PM
I loved the scene between Rodney and John when they were discussing about trusting a wraith and John was being like a comforting father figure to Rodney who was just fustrated. I liked seeing an interaction between them besides the normal bickering/banter.

I loved this scene too. Rodney was being vulnerable and John was being comforting. I love their bantering too, but its nice to see this side of their friendship as well.

Wraith humor = Awesome

Miller's Crossing looks great! Rodney getting kidnapped, Shep and Ronon going after him. Looking forward to it! :) I'm bummed that we have to wait two weeks though.

Wilson3Girl

bentley2003
November 16th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Ok, I've missed a couple ep's up until now... Whos the father of Teyla's child?? (wow this sounds so soap operaish its not even funny lol)

the fifth man
November 16th, 2007, 09:44 PM
This was the best episode of the season

I wouldn't personally say "the best". Definitely one of the best though.:)

Shan Bruce Lee
November 16th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Also, my prediction, the city in the "sight" Sam saw was probably the replicator city. I think Atlantis will stumble onto another ancient warship. However, I am not a seer, just a predictor.

I thought about that. You're most likely right. Although my guess would be that they take one of the replicator ships instead of finding another Ancient one. Either way doesn't matter because they'll just lose it anyway.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Ever since Carter joined Atlantis she kind of fadded into background. It was nice to see how she does her job and the kind of responabilities she has

the fifth man
November 16th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Ever since Carter joined Atlantis she kind of fadded into background. It was nice to see how she does her job and the kind of responabilities she has

I think her blending in was part of the plan. I don't think TPTB wanted her to rush in, and totally take over the show. Which is a good thing IMO. It would have offended way too many SGA fans.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM
No they don't. It's a mistake. You can't have done much checking.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s1/101/adina/adinasga%5F1%5F779.jpg

I checked five eps and all of them had 8 including the Atlantis gate. I think it is one of those things that keeps getting mixed up. SOme eps have 8 some have nine but personally not a big deal.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM
I think her blending in was part of the plan.?* I don't think TPTB wanted her to rush in, and totally take over the show.?* Which is a good thing IMO.?* It would have offended way too many SGA fans.I agree and support it. It was just refreshing to see how Carter runs things on Atlantis

jds1982
November 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM
Another thing I might is there is no way that this was a rip-off of an SG-1

Maybe not a ripoff but similar to Prophecy, I was very surprised Carter didn't say something but that would mean mentioning Jonas. The whole working with the enemy to contain a threat was reminiscint of working with Baal to get the Dakara device working, against what, replicaters! Could they at least once call them Asurans? Even the friggin Wraith are calling them replicaters now. Still a really good episode. Maybe the Aurora attacking Atlantis is the one the Travelers took.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Maybe not a ripoff but similar to Prophecy, I was very surprised Carter didn't say something but that would mean mentioning Jonas. The whole working with the enemy to contain a threat was reminiscint of working with Baal to get the Dakara device working, against what, replicaters! Could they at least once call them Asurans? Even the friggin Wraith are calling them replicaters now. Still a really good episode. Maybe the Aurora attacking Atlantis is the one the Travelers took.
The similarities between Prophecy and The Seer end at the fact that they both feature people have precongnitive abilities. The Tauri/SGC has worked with numerous enemies against their common enemy. I agree with calling them Asurans and the possibility that the Travelers have the Aurora ship. If thats the Travler ship than chances are Larin's in it

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 10:12 PM
This episode had potential, but didn't quite hit on all cylinders for me.

Carter is only playing Weir. She is neither scientist nor soldier, only an administrator making the same decisions and saying the same lines Weir did. I thought she was supposed to be an improvement.?.?
That is what she was doing replacing her and that in itself is an improvement.



The whole yelling at Woolsey is old, especially for fans who have seen him on SG1, so the whole, "Shut up Woolsey" line just made me roll my eyes. How may times have Carter/O'Neill/Hammond, etc. said the same thing?
Not me it was hilarious IMO and about time. Also I can't remember anyone ever telling him to "shut up."


For an episode called, "The Seer", we sure didn't see much of the Seer, and that was a disappointment. He seemed like a cool dude and I wanted to know him better. I wish there had been more between him and Teyla. Its also disappointing that no one seems very worried about the Athosians, and the team doesn't seem to be very supportive of Teyla. She is sorta left hanging "out there".
Really? No one seemed unsuportive of Teyla nor did I get the impression that they didn't care. They were simply skeptical of the Seer. Also we saw quite a bit of him and it was a very intereting story.


Keller was her usual meh. Davos dude dies, his daughter bursts into tears, and Keller is the usual wooden self, "I'm sorry". Carson would have been much more empathetic. I guess she is cool because she looks hot, but I'd rather have a character with some personality.
Wooden? I disagree. She was very empathetic, there isn't much more she could have said. I know you really miss Carson but Keller is far from wooden IMO.


Best part was CG Wraith, especially the "Wraith joke" bit. I do wonder why he calls Sheppard by name, but no one bothers to ask him if he has a name, or what they should call him. Do they just say, "Hey you" to him?

Not sure about next week. Trailer on SciFi didn't look too hot, even with McKay's sister (who I loved).

Hmm well it looks great and it airs in two weeks.

Ruffles
November 16th, 2007, 10:14 PM
It was good to see Chuck again. And a MALP! How long has it been since we've seen a MALP?


Ok, I've missed a couple ep's up until now... Whos the father of Teyla's child?? (wow this sounds so soap operaish its not even funny lol)

It hasn't been explicitly revealed, but it is implied that it is Kanan, an Athosian (see Missing).

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 10:15 PM
Maybe not a ripoff but similar to Prophecy, I was very surprised Carter didn't say something but that would mean mentioning Jonas. The whole working with the enemy to contain a threat was reminiscint of working with Baal to get the Dakara device working, against what, replicaters! Could they at least once call them Asurans? Even the friggin Wraith are calling them replicaters now. Still a really good episode. Maybe the Aurora attacking Atlantis is the one the Travelers took.

The only similarity to Prophecy is that it features people with pregognitive abilities. I don't see the other similarities but I do agree on the Asuran bit.

jds1982
November 16th, 2007, 10:19 PM
The similarities between Prophecy and The Seer end at the fact that they both feature people have precongnitive abilities. The Tauri/SGC has worked with numerous enemies against their common enemy. I agree with calling them Asurans and the possibility that the Travelers have the Aurora ship. If thats the Travler ship than chances are Larin's in it

Right, I wasn't calling it a rip-off, although you can bet the points I brought up would be used by someone who was calling it a rip-off. Yes the SGC has worked with common enemies before, I was just mentioning the similarities in working with a common enemy against replicaters.

jenks
November 16th, 2007, 10:24 PM
I can't believe there wasn't a reference to Jonas...

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 10:30 PM
I can't believe there wasn't a reference to Jonas...

They probably knew it'd be a bad idea plus it wouldn't make much sense.

garhkal
November 16th, 2007, 10:36 PM
hahahahaha, wraith jokes! slightly funnier than jaffa jokes, IMO.

I actually found it quite funny he would even think of doing a joke in his situation.. BUT it does show us at least the wraith have some sense of humor..



The Wraith joke was quality, shame they went cheapo on the Wraith Vs Wraith scene...

Espceially as that was a scene right out of the hive...


Good episode overall, like the last couple eps there was alot going on. Woosley is such a *!!%^&*. This new twist with the replicators now targeting humans, the wraith food supply is interesting.


Agreed, especially since again it was our fault the humans of pegasus are facing extinction...


Wow what an excellent episode I'm still trying to get over the dramatic high. This episode was great from start to finish. Loved the interaction between Carter and woolsey,

Favorite Quote:
Carter: "Shut Up Wollsey!"
Wollsey: *looks stuned and slowly walks away with tail between his legs.*

I will agree on the carter/woosley scenes, but for me the quote of the day for them too would go to their ending scene, where woosley said
"Some times it helps to not put too much information in"... Almost reminded me of one of his statements to wier.


What made this episode interesting was all the trust issues going back and forth. You did not know how it was going to end. Carter trusted "The Seer" but had a hard time accepting that a future cannot be changed.

Anyway, this ep is just setting up for the mid-season which I cannot wait for! Should be really good!

Which is strange since she has had so many episodes in SG1 where Time travel and future sight came into play she should have had a lot more faith in it... Such as when Johnas had those visions, and when they went to the planet in "its good to be king"..


It was very nice to see some aspects of the Asuran/Wraith War and how desperate both sides had become. To resort to tatics of killing worlds to stop food for the Wraith was horrific.?*

Agred, and i loved it how after we learned of the truth to the wraith's statement, shep and rodney were talking about that nano virus we saw from Hot zone and relating it to the asurans..


I mean, come on, HOW many times now have two wraith ships showed up and just when we thought they were gonna blow us to bits... and then oh wait, they are destroying each other! Everybody be happy! ......been there done that, it's getting old, NEXT!

Well lets see. So far we have seen it twice i remember. Once in the hive after john got those two ships firing on one another, and later on in Misbegotten when the wraith showed up to destroy our captured hive. And not one of them were where both hives were going to destroy US..



How would Atlantis end up getting destroyed by the Asurans? And why only one ship hovering right above instead of orbit and only a few drones at a time? Why wasn't Atlantis's shield up either? We know that the drones don't go through Ancient shields. And I can't really see Atlantis getting destroyed so I really don't know. If this ends up coming true in another episode, maybe it was some other city somewhere or something or maybe somewhere else on Asuras and they blow it up. They never said that it was Atlantis did they? ,

That is a very good point. We know the asurans have already built one atlantis like city, who's to say they did not have more, and what carter saw was us on that one, replanting the wraith virus..



Questions:
* did someone take out that tracking device?

* how did the seer get to be advanced? Is it genetic? Are there more of them out there?.

WEll for the latter one, since keller said it looks like he might have always been that way and has been regressing some, who is to say he was not at one point in time as advanced as the ancients. Heck he could have been one who contracted some sort of disease that made him regress..

AS to the tracking device, it is very likely after he mentioned it they did so..


It was good to see Chuck again. And a MALP! How long has it been since we've seen a MALP?

Too long.. Heck i wondered if atlantis stocked any after season 1.. as i cannot remember seeing any in season 2 or 3 other than in sateda..

RoryJ
November 16th, 2007, 10:40 PM
This episode had potential, but didn't quite hit on all cylinders for me.

Carter is only playing Weir. She is neither scientist nor soldier, only an administrator making the same decisions and saying the same lines Weir did. I thought she was supposed to be an improvement.?.?

[...]

For an episode called, "The Seer", we sure didn't see much of the Seer, and that was a disappointment. He seemed like a cool dude and I wanted to know him better. I wish there had been more between him and Teyla. Its also disappointing that no one seems very worried about the Athosians, and the team doesn't seem to be very supportive of Teyla. She is sorta left hanging "out there".

[...]

Best part was CG Wraith, especially the "Wraith joke" bit. I do wonder why he calls Sheppard by name, but no one bothers to ask him if he has a name, or what they should call him. Do they just say, "Hey you" to him?

Not sure about next week. Trailer on SciFi didn't look too hot, even with McKay's sister (who I loved).

That hit the nail on the head for me. She's just Elizabeth only with blonde hair. It's so frustrating that they made a big deal about bringing Sam on board because she has "experience" with Replicators, and yet we haven't seen her be any use at all. I liked Sam in this ep, but then, I liked Elizabeth's job when she was there.

And while I always enjoy Woolsey's presence, I would've enjoyed seeing his relationship with Elizabeth grow. At the very least, they should have played on the fact that Sam and Woolsey don't get along and never really have. The two times she's met him have been Heroes and The Shroud, and both were times when he was blaming her and her friends for Janet's death or advocating killing Prior!Daniel. But they started off so chummy when the episode began.

I'm much more looking foreward to Miller's Crossing. I thought the add looked great and Kate is such a breath of fresh air that'll make up for the overwhelming boredom I've had this season.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Too long..?* Heck i wondered if atlantis stocked any after season 1.. as i cannot remember seeing any in season 2 or 3 other than in sateda..A MALP was seen at the end of Runner

FoolishPleasure
November 16th, 2007, 10:46 PM
This was a pretty good outing - the Wraith was cool (didn't anyone think to check him for a tracker?), as was the Seer, himself, but I too would have liked to know more about him.

I'm tired of Woolsey. He's a drag-over from SG1 and I'm tired of seeing SG1 folks on SGA. Besides, I've heard all the Woolsey insults and barbs on SG1 so its just a retread here.

The uniforms continue to be awful, especially for the ladies.

Carter is just, well, I don't think Carter came to SGA. I see Amanda Tapping on this show, but though there is a lady who looks like Carter, I'm not seeing the "real" Carter. With two hours before a Wraith ship arrives, the real Carter would have been working furiously with McKay, not hanging around an office. That's Weir's job. As someone else said, she isn't a soldier and she isn't doing scientist stuff, so who is she supposed to be? Its just Weir in a different body. I really can't see the IOC putting an astrophysicist in an administrator's job. *shrugs*

However, I give this a "B". Rodney was good, we saw Chuck again, and I'm liking the camera work and lighting being used this year.

I still can't get into Keller, no matter how much lip gloss they pile on her.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 10:51 PM
?* Carter is just, well, I don't think Carter came to SGA.?* I see Amanda Tapping on this show, but though there is a lady who looks like Carter, I'm not seeing the "real" Carter.?*?* With two hours before a Wraith ship arrives, the real Carter would have been working furiously with McKay,?* not hanging around an office.?* That's Weir's job.?* As someone else said, she isn't a soldier and she isn't doing scientist stuff, so who is she supposed to be??* Its just Weir in a different body.?* I really can't see the IOC putting an astrophysicist in an administrator's job.?* *shrugs*As leader of Atlantis, Carter runs the base and McKay does ths science aspects of Atlantis. He is just as quaiified on Asuran codes as Carter

RoryJ
November 16th, 2007, 10:55 PM
As leader of Atlantis, Carter runs the base and McKay does ths science aspects of Atlantis. He is just as quaiified on Asuran codes as Carter

There's no reason to believe that Carter is in ANY way helpful to McKay when it comes to Asuran coding. The PTB have said that the Milky Way Replicators and the Asurans aren't the same thing, and the Asurans are obviously programmed very differently (ie. the coding not to hurt Ancients, the coding to attack the wraith, their ability to infect people with nanites). Carter's been so damn busy worrying about the Ori, I doubt she had any time at all to learn about Asuran coding.

FoolishPleasure
November 16th, 2007, 10:56 PM
As leader of Atlantis, Carter runs the base and McKay does ths science aspects of Atlantis. He is just as quaiified on Asuran codes as Carter

On SG1 there was a running gag on who was the better scientist, Carter or McKay. Suddenly Carter isn't a scientist, despite having a Ph.D. in Physics. I would have liked to see a bit of technobabble between her and Rodney, even just a line or two, especially since it was imperative Rodney crack that genetic code asap. Two minds are better than one, yes? ;) Besides, it seems a waste to have such a brilliant mind like Carter's locked away in an office job.

Konrad9
November 16th, 2007, 11:02 PM
On SG1 there was a running gag on who was the better scientist, Carter or McKay. Suddenly Carter isn't a scientist, despite having a Ph.D. in Physics. I would have liked to see a bit of technobabble between her and Rodney, even just a line or two, especially since it was imperative Rodney crack that genetic code asap. Two minds are better than one, yes? ;) Besides, it seems a waste to have such a brilliant mind like Carter's locked away in an office job.

I agree.
I don't want to see it become a constant thing in every single episode, but a reminder that Sam is a bloody brilliant woman wouldn't hurt every so often.

Overall, I have to say this was a very good episode.
I laughed, I cried, I lost 15 pounds... I cannot recommend this episode enough.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 16th, 2007, 11:09 PM
I didn't like this episode very much. Glad to see the Common Ground Wraith back. Loved the scene where Atlantis was "destroyed."

beneaththeblue
November 16th, 2007, 11:21 PM
I have a question. When they figured out the second Hive ship was just tracking the first one, why didn't they have the CG Wraith order the first one to leave? They had already downloaded the virus, and the ship could always return later. Then Atlantis could cloak until the second ship left the area and not be in as much danger as they were with two ships up there.

xenomorph1211
November 16th, 2007, 11:23 PM
I liked the part where the Seer showed Sam when the Rep. ships attacked Atlantis with drones, but that poses questions: why wasn't the shields up to block the drones, and the second question would be which episode will this be in? The Wrait battle at the end was so lame since they reused footage from season 2's Hive pt 2...I love space battles (or ships) so the desturction of Atlatis footage cancelled out the reused Wrait fight IMO. Also I think you would have seen the planet in the background.

Morrolan
November 16th, 2007, 11:25 PM
That is what she was doing replacing her and that in itself is an improvement.

I love what they are doing with Sam. She was so submissive in SG1. You can see that she handles being in command very well, but she tends to let the expedition run itself by deferring to Sheppard. Great show of respect. I also like that her screen time varies. I don't see her being anything like Weir. Weir was very hands-on, Sam isn't.



Really? No one seemed unsuportive of Teyla nor did I get the impression that they didn't care. They were simply skeptical of the Seer. Also we saw quite a bit of him and it was a very intereting story.

I really hate when people nitpick like that. Teyla's people disappeared. The team has no leads, so it's all about research. Teyla is frantic, but the team is trying to gather information. You know what? That can be kinda boring in reality.



Wooden? I disagree. She was very empathetic, there isn't much more she could have said. I know you really miss Carson but Keller is far from wooden IMO.

Thank you. I think Keller is doing well. She's in no way wooden. Just last episode she went from cowering wimp to gun wielding badass. The women's dad just died. I guarantee you could record 100 real life conversations in that type of situation, and the person consoling would sound wooden in the majority of them.




Hmm well it looks great and it airs in two weeks.

I'm looking forward to it. I think this guy might want to consider doing something else on Friday nights. Every single point brought up sounds like he's just looking for a reason to criticize the show.

As for why Jonas wasn't mentioned. Keep in mind that Weir, and most likely Sheppard, have had access to the SGC reports. Not every person in the expedition would be given that high level access, and wouldn't even know who Jonas is. The Carter has to explain everything. Makes more sense for Carter to keep quiet about it.

RoryJ
November 16th, 2007, 11:25 PM
I agree.
I laughed, I cried, I lost 15 pounds... I cannot recommend this episode enough.

OT: That is a freaking AWESOME book. ;)

majorsal
November 16th, 2007, 11:26 PM
i am just going to take a moment as a sam fan here...

YEEEEESSSS!! :D

since sam was given command of sg1 in s8, i've been waiting to see something like this. sam was totally in command here! this was her gig, and she ran it with care and insight. so please allow me a moment of SQUEEE!!! :D

*takes moment*

k, for the rest of the ep... :p


it was a quiet ep, in terms of more talking and scheming than shoot 'em up action, but these kinds of eps can be character creating cavalcades. (that was a mouthful :p)

i thoroughly ADORED how respectful everyone was of sam's authority. and even though wolsey can be a butt sometimes, he means well and i really see that.

on a weird sidenote: from the moment i heard and saw teyla, the actress reminded me of someone. it wasn't until two nights ago when i was rewatching 'tabula rasa' that i figured it out. rachel sounds and even looks a bit like the actress anne archer. at least to me. :p

the wraith in this ep was very interesting. this is the only second wraith ep i've ever seen, so i really enjoyed seeing one up close and personal. (and i think the actor that played that wraith is christopher heyerdahl, who somewhat recently worked with amanda in her internet show 'sanctuary'. he played jack the ripper and amanda's character was engaged to him)

i liked the seer guy (davros?) and his daughter. what's going to happen to the daughter now?

i'm wondering too if the vision sam saw might have something to do with the season ender 'the last man'?

oh, i was also wondering if that wraith telling them that it was the replicaters doing the mass murdering wasn't really the wraith doing it but pretending it was the reps so the humans would help them... but i guess that idea's no good now.

poor teyla, keeping this secret. at least she's got keller to talk to.

i just REALLY enjoyed this ep! ep by ep, i'm falling for each character so much. and that includes the gorgeous and wonderful atlantis base itself.

i'm happy!! :D





sally :sam: :mckayanime03: :teyla: :sheppard: :ronon:

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 11:37 PM
This was a pretty good outing - the Wraith was cool (didn't anyone think to check him for a tracker?), as was the Seer, himself, but I too would have liked to know more about him.
Yeah it would have been nice to see more of the Seer but it would have taken up too much of the ep.


I'm tired of Woolsey. He's a drag-over from SG1 and I'm tired of seeing SG1 folks on SGA. Besides, I've heard all the Woolsey insults and barbs on SG1 so its just a retread here.
I disagree. It's necesary having Woolsey from time to time b/c of the IOA being in charge of the Atlantis expedition. Not to mention Woolsey had legitimate concerns.


The uniforms continue to be awful, especially for the ladies.
I must be the only one that actually like the uniforms.


Carter is just, well, I don't think Carter came to SGA. I see Amanda Tapping on this show, but though there is a lady who looks like Carter, I'm not seeing the "real" Carter. With two hours before a Wraith ship arrives, the real Carter would have been working furiously with McKay, not hanging around an office. That's Weir's job. As someone else said, she isn't a soldier and she isn't doing scientist stuff, so who is she supposed to be? Its just Weir in a different body. I really can't see the IOC putting an astrophysicist in an administrator's job. *shrugs*
The IOA put Carter in command because of her military and scientific backround. Her job now is base leader which is an administrative job which is alot harder than being lead scienitist. She is Carter just now she has elvoved from combat and science specialist to being responsible for the whole city and galaxy. She would help Mckay if it's needed but her main job is seeing if his plan is reasonable.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 11:39 PM
i am just going to take a moment as a sam fan here...YEEEEESSSS!! :Dsince sam was given command of sg1 in s8, i've been waiting to see something like this. sam was totally in command here! this was her gig, and she ran it with care and insight. so please allow me a moment of SQUEEE!!! :D*takes moment*k, for the rest of the ep... :pit was a quiet ep, in terms of more talking and scheming than shoot 'em up action, but these kinds of eps can be character creating cavalcades. (that was a mouthful :p)i thoroughly ADORED how respectful everyone was of sam's authority. and even though wolsey can be a butt sometimes, he means well and i really see that. on a weird sidenote: from the moment i heard and saw teyla, the actress reminded me of someone. it wasn't until two nights ago when i was rewatching 'tabula rasa' that i figured it out. rachel sounds and even looks a bit like the actress anne archer. at least to me. :pthe wraith in this ep was very interesting. this is the only second wraith ep i've ever seen, so i really enjoyed seeing one up close and personal. (and i think the actor that played that wraith is christopher heyerdahl, who somewhat recently worked with amanda in her internet show 'sanctuary'. he played jack the ripper and amanda's character was engaged to him)i liked the seer guy (davros?) and his daughter. what's going to happen to the daughter now? i'm wondering too if the vision sam saw might have something to do with the season ender 'the last man'?oh, i was also wondering if that wraith telling them that it was the replicaters doing the mass murdering wasn't really the wraith doing it but pretending it was the reps so the humans would help them... but i guess that idea's no good now.poor teyla, keeping this secret. at least she's got keller to talk to. i just REALLY enjoyed this ep! ep by ep, i'm falling for each character so much. and that includes the gorgeous and wonderful atlantis base itself. i'm happy!! :Dsally :sam: :mckayanime03: :teyla: :sheppard: :ronon:This was a Sam episode wheither you liked it or not. A major portion was showing on how Sam lead Atlantis. It showed she can make hard calls when she has to. Very remniscent of Weir

jds1982
November 16th, 2007, 11:41 PM
i i liked the seer guy (davros?)

God I hope not, just what the Atlantis Expedition needs, Daleks.

majorsal
November 16th, 2007, 11:43 PM
God I hope not, just what the Atlantis Expedition needs, Daleks.


argh, i should have looked up how to spell character's names. :p

woolsey and davos. there. ;) :p



sally :D

1138
November 16th, 2007, 11:44 PM
I didn't like the fact that Sam never mentioned any insight she should have gained after the experience with Jonas' visions. At the very least, she would at least have mentioned the fact that those visions can be prevented. That was the major insight that came at the end of Prophecy and it was completely relevant here. Instead, she had to ask Davos for what he thought even though she already had experience with it.

She just acted like this was the first time she met anyone with precognition and dealt with the consequences. And it was Sheppard that was counseling her about having too much information, even though she's the one that has actually been through something like that.

Aside from that, not a bad episode.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 11:46 PM
I love what they are doing with Sam. She was so submissive in SG1. You can see that she handles being in command very well, but she tends to let the expedition run itself by deferring to Sheppard. Great show of respect. I also like that her screen time varies. I don't see her being anything like Weir. Weir was very hands-on, Sam isn't.
I loved her on SG-1 but yeah she was b/c she had to be now she is in a whole new situation and handleing it very well. That is one thing that bugged me about Weir. She tried to do way too much even when it was way above her head. Carter could step in and take charge of military and scientific operation. Instead she talks with the prospective departments and agrees on the apropriate action to take.





I really hate when people nitpick like that. Teyla's people disappeared. The team has no leads, so it's all about research. Teyla is frantic, but the team is trying to gather information. You know what? That can be kinda boring in reality.
Exactly.





Thank you. I think Keller is doing well. She's in no way wooden. Just last episode she went from cowering wimp to gun wielding badass. The women's dad just died. I guarantee you could record 100 real life conversations in that type of situation, and the person consoling would sound wooden in the majority of them.
You're welcome. I don't understand what some expected that was really realistic.






I'm looking forward to it. I think this guy might want to consider doing something else on Friday nights. Every single point brought up sounds like he's just looking for a reason to criticize the show.
There are quite a few of those here.


As for why Jonas wasn't mentioned. Keep in mind that Weir, and most likely Sheppard, have had access to the SGC reports. Not every person in the expedition would be given that high level access, and wouldn't even know who Jonas is. The Carter has to explain everything. Makes more sense for Carter to keep quiet about it.
Good point but Mckay would have known cause he met him. Still it wasn't really necesary.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 11:48 PM
This was a Sam episode wheither you liked it or not. A major portion was showing on how Sam lead Atlantis. It showed she can make hard calls when she has to. Very remniscent of Weir

Which is what several fans had a problem with.

jelgate
November 16th, 2007, 11:48 PM
I didn't like the fact that Sam never mentioned any insight she should have gained after the experience with Jonas' visions. At the very least, she would at least have mentioned the fact that those visions can be prevented. That was the major insight that came at the end of Prophecy and it was completely relevant here. Instead, she had to ask Davos for what he thought even though she already had experience with it.Those circumstances of the precognition were different in this episode. Jonas precognition was a tumor as a result genetic manipulation while Davos was born with his. It was embedede into his brian like?* one of the four lobes

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Those circumstances of the precognition were different in this episode. Jonas precognition was a tumor as a result genetic manipulation while Davos was born with his. It was embedede into his brian like?* one of the four lobes

Exactly completly different conditions.

wurlitzer153
November 16th, 2007, 11:51 PM
During the very last scene, was anybody else reminded of that B5 episode where
some guy who believes he has the 'Babylon curse', all the previous 4 stations met their fates just after he left. Well, at the end of this ep he leaves B5 and Sinclair (or Sheridan?) says "so, no boom?" And Ivanova says "no boom today, boom tomorrow....."
Boom!
Its been a very long time since I've seen that show but I think someone here had that quote in their sig.

Mitchell82
November 16th, 2007, 11:52 PM
During the very last scene, was anybody else reminded of that B5 episode where
some guy who believes he has the 'Babylon curse', all the previous 4 stations met their fates just after he left. Well, at the end of this ep he leaves B5 and Sinclair (or Sheridan?) says "so, no boom?" And Ivanova says "no boom today, boom tomorrow....."
Boom!
Its been a very long time since I've seen that show but I think someone here had that quote in their sig.

No idea never saw B5.

Agent_Dark
November 16th, 2007, 11:58 PM
prime episode.

DeRoest
November 16th, 2007, 11:58 PM
sorry! off topic! but was anyone else a tad disappointed how an episode named "seer" really contained only about three or four scene with the seer character. seemed like we at least needed the obligatory walking amongst the people telling them encouraging things about far away loved ones etc. he just kind said a couple things and died! sad! he went nowhere as a plot device!

Shan Bruce Lee
November 17th, 2007, 12:01 AM
I must be the only one that actually like the uniforms.

Yeah you probably are

Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
November 17th, 2007, 12:01 AM
wasnt the seer im talking about the episode suppose to deal with the team finding out about teyla's pregenancy or was the writers just pulling our leg because i was pissed off and excited of this episode at the same damn time. i want answers.

jds1982
November 17th, 2007, 12:14 AM
During the very last scene, was anybody else reminded of that B5 episode where
some guy who believes he has the 'Babylon curse', all the previous 4 stations met their fates just after he left. Well, at the end of this ep he leaves B5 and Sinclair (or Sheridan?) says "so, no boom?" And Ivanova says "no boom today, boom tomorrow....."
Boom!
Its been a very long time since I've seen that show but I think someone here had that quote in their sig.

No, although I was reminded of the whole B5 might be destroyed by Shadows prophecy that was present for awhile.

Avenger
November 17th, 2007, 12:24 AM
I absolutely loved the episode. Sam has completely solidified her position as the leader of the expedition. She showed why she was the best person for the job, hands down.

I also found her scene with Sheppard when she was having some doubts about what to do amazing.

morjana
November 17th, 2007, 12:26 AM
SGA - SciFi Channel SGA Site Updates Nov. 16 - The Seer:

From the SciFi Channel's Stargate Atlantis site:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/

"The Seer"

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/episodes.php?seas=4&ep=0408&act=1

* Episode synopsis
* Photos

No NEW episode Friday, Nov. 23 due to the SciFi Channel's Holiday programming for the US Thanksgiving weekend.

Next NEW episode: "Miller's Crossing" - Friday, Nov. 30 - McKay's sister, Jeanie, is kidnapped by the CEO of a corporation that wants to possess her knowledge of nanite technology.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/millers.jpg

Trailer for "Miller's Crossing:"

Not uploaded as yet

Alex Levine's Blog Update:

Learn more about this week's episode in the Stargate Blog!

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/


NEW: QUIZ

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/quizzes/fallenheroes/index.php?start=1

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/quiz_pic_fallenheroes.jpg

Nov. 17, 2007

Show that you remember the sacrifices of Stargate Atlantis's fallen heroes by taking our new trivia quiz.


NEW: VIDEO (at SGA's new Featurettes section)

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php

Nov. 16, 2007

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/bannerronon.jpg

In part two of a continuing video Q&A series, Jason Momoa (Ronon Dex) answers fans' inquiries from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=8

or

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=185026

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 12:29 AM
Morjana, I see you post the Atlantis SciFI website updates every week. Do you work for them

Leliana McKay
November 17th, 2007, 12:33 AM
I loved this episode.

Let me sum up the bad and good stuff.

What I liked less:

-I think the filming of those visions scenes could have gone better. The shaky close up to the hand holding and body tensing was a bit overdone ... I don't know how to describe it but it was bothering me.

-Sam asked Rodney if he can shut down the replicator base code alone but he answers her that he cannot. He needs the virus and the Wraith help to do it.
I am surprised that Rodney cannot do it alone. He has always been a master in achieving the impossible so I was disappointed. I guess the writers needed to have use of this Wraith. Oh, and I agree with those who said that the Sam/Rodney technobable over the replicator base code was missing.

-I still have concerns about Carter's leadership. Even though she still stands against Woolsey and tells him to shut up, she is not as charimatic as Elizabeth.

- The quick Ending... I felt something was missing.
This Mortal Coil must be about Sam's vision of the destruction of Atlantis.
The Seer should have been a two parter or a three parter with Be All my sins remembered. The episode ended in a weird way...a non cliffhanger of sort. Plenty of questions left to be answered and next episode Millers Crossing will not ( I think) answer those question...
I'm not a very patient person. lol

What I loved:

-The John/Rodney discussion about the reactivation of Elizabeth nanites and Rodney's activation on the attack command code.
I loved how it was played. Rodney's guilt is still there (McWeir shipper should be happy for this) and John answers to Rodney by saying that he made the decision not Rodney was proof their friendship. I love the idea of John comforting Rodney.

-The Wraith joke!!! Ohhhhh I laughed so hard. I didn't know they COULD joke.
Way better than Jaffa's joke! "I believe among your people it s customary to shake hand." He also does have a good voice ...

-McKay and the Wraith...
Rodney/Todd banter was great. That Wraith is smart!

-The Teyla/Davos scene about her being pregnant was perfect. Simple, sweet and heading towards what I suspect will be a great emotional scene in the future...the reveal of her condition to the rest of the team.

So 9/10 for The Seer because of the ending.

Freekzilla
November 17th, 2007, 12:42 AM
Hmmm, let's see. Good episode. Not spectacular, but definitely better than a lot of episodes.

Now, I'm not a Sam Carter fan at all, but this was a pleasant suprise for me. Someone actually told Woolsey to "shut up or get out". (paraphrasing) It's about time. He's such a weasel. And Sheppard also manned up this week too. I love it when main characters tell the weasel character to shut up.

I was a little suprised though that any planet would have as many people as those 3 planets did. Makes me wonder why some planets only have a few people left when apparently others have thousands. Are the Wraith practicing selective feeding?

And, concerning that prophecy Sam had with Davos. Sure, it was an Ancient warship, and it was firing on an Ancient style city. But does that actually mean it would be the Replicators that destroyed Atlantis? I don't think it will be. And from what we've seen, the Replicators' warships don't exactly look like the Ancient designs we are familiar with. I think it will be the Travelers. They have an Ancient warship as well. And who says it was Atlantis being fired on? Could it be the Ancient warship the Travelers have firing on the Replicators' city? Or, could it be that we finally get to find out what happened to the Tria? The premonition was just too vague to draw any conclusions yet. There are just too many possibilities.

Pegasus_SGA
November 17th, 2007, 12:57 AM
For once i'm going to be succint! Try not to fall off your chairs! ;) :P :D



WOW
and

*SQUEEE*



Nuff said! :P

Will be back later. :D

morjana
November 17th, 2007, 01:05 AM
* Keller...her easy recognition that Woolsey was only interested in studying the man and her discomfort with that...

I enjoyed the episode very much, but my only qualm for the whole episode was the scene with Keller and Carter, where they were discussing sending Davros' medical test results to Earth for study.

Had they explained to Davros they were doing so? To do so without Davro's permission is against HIPPA guidelines on patient's privacy. Unless...the US Military is not required to adhere to HIPPA guidelines, and even though Keller is civilian, she is working for a military operation. Hmm...I'll have to look that up.

And if the military does not have to go by HIPPA guidelines, is that the price that "guests' have to pay for medical treatment on Atlantis? Forfeiture of their privacy rights?

Morjana

jds1982
November 17th, 2007, 02:17 AM
Are we just gonna call him Davros from now on?

Artheval_Pe
November 17th, 2007, 02:34 AM
I am surprised that Rodney cannot do it alone. He has always been a master in achieving the impossible so I was disappointed.
I would have been surprised that he could do alone something that an entire civilisation that defeated the ancients was unable to do. McKay looks sometimes like the smartest scientist in the Universe, and I think that it is good to remind that altought he is one the best earthling Engineer/scientist, It is nothing compared to the knowledge and the experience of scientists from races millions years old.

And I don't mind reused visual effects, as long as they show properly what they are supposed to show. I saves a lot of money for future episodes, and allows them to do other great visual effects in the same episode (The dream of the Atlantis destruction was great)

Luckystrike
November 17th, 2007, 02:45 AM
Hmmm....i didn't like it. They show us a vision of Atlantis being destroyed then they finish the episode off with.....'it could happen a thousand years from now or tomorrow'. Yea, ok, what ever...pfft. I thought last weeks episode was suppose to open a lot of questions, and the season would really kick off now. But it failed terribly. And Carter isn't even Carter, they could have got anyone to be the new leader of Atlantis and repeat those lines.

Lucky they got the extension for season 5 already, because season 4 has been slow and boring.

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 03:05 AM
For once i'm going to be succint! Try not to fall off your chairs! ;) :P :D



WOW
and

*SQUEEE*



Nuff said! :P

Will be back later. :D



Not so loud dear :P. You will give me a heart attack :P. What am I doing here? Havent seen the ep and you people spoil it for me :P

Linzi
November 17th, 2007, 03:29 AM
I really, really liked this! This is the kind of episode I really enjoy, because it's moving everything forward, towards what I think will be a fantastic climax! :)

A really strong story, with many nice character moments.

I loved the wraith, Todd. He was excellent. I laughed at his handshake bit of humour. I loved the way Woolsey flinched, the guards cocked their guns and Carter just stood there, cool as a cucumber! I loved his scenes with Sheppard, and I like that they still don't trust eachother, yet there's a grudging respect.

I have to say, reading reviews by a few here, there in no way is Carter like Weir as far as I'm concerned. There are similarities in the role as leader, sure, ie, admin duties and being overall boss, but Carter, for me, brings a new dynamic to the show, and one I much prefer. She understands the medical stuff to a certain degree and the science stuff too, as well as being well able to make judgements on the military angle. She also defers to Sheppard and Rodney a lot, which is the sign of a good leader.

No way is Carter just Weir in a blonde wig. No way. Honestly? She's so much better. Sorry, but that's how I feel when watching.

Why? I honestly rate AT as a much better performer than TH, and Carter as a better character than Weir, that's the bottom line for me. I watch Carter and I never question what she says in any way, with Weir I did quite often. I'm not talking about the writing, I'm talking about the line deliveries etc. In my opinion, TPTB totally did the right thing bringing Carter over. She fits perfectly and AT just brings a warmth and professionalism to the show I love. She was the missing link, so to speak, and now I feel the cast is well-rounded and gels really well. I know some won't agree, but that's my honest opinion now I've had a chance to see 8 episodes and get a feel for season 4.

I love Carter's dynamic with Sheppard. There's so much mutual respect there already, and I loved it when Sheppard stood up for Carter, telling Woolsey it's wasn't his call what decision was made. The little smile and nod Carter gave Shep was really, really good! These two will be good friends and allies, I think - though I look forward to maybe the odd disagreement between them.

So, for me, The Seer really confirmed Carter's role on SGA. She fits in seamlessly and always seems like she's been there now, as far as I'm concerned.

I liked Sheppard here. He was strong and gave support to Carter and Rodney when it was needed. His little chat to the latter about the decision to alter the base code and reactivate the command code was so sweet. So, for me, Sheppard did good here. He was a very positive presence. :)

McKay was good too. I loved it when Todd said he could work and help if his hands were unbound and Rodney did that cute little scaredy voice and said it was ok, he'd do it! :lol: And, as I mentioned before, it was great to see Rodney feeling the burden of his idea, and what had happened as a result of it. Not that it was his fault, I think it was a risk worth taking and as Sheppard said, it was his call, not Rodney's.

So, Teyla is going to have to tell people about her bump soon. That should be interesting, though how they can't guess already, is beyond me! Do they think she's just eaten too much Athosian stew? ;) Seriously, I get the feeling the odd person may not be too happy with the news, and will find it hard to deal with.

The Seer himself, Davos, was well played. His mind was fascinating and he could be the future of humankind? A glimpse into what human's could become possibly? Interesting. The visions were fascinating, though Atlantis being bombarded by the replicators wasn't nice to see. :( But, it made for lots of angst.

Oh, I loved the Wraith ships blowing up. I just love big space explosions! What can I say? I'm a shallow scifi geek! :o

I loved Woolsey, as I always do. RP is such a great performer, and Woolsey is someone I love to dislike, but grudgingy admire too.

So overall, a good episode.

So, yep, I'm back to massively happy this week :) 9 out fo 10 for me.

morjana
November 17th, 2007, 03:49 AM
Morjana, I see you post the Atlantis SciFI website updates every week. Do you work for them

LOL! No, no...I update SG1-Spoilergate (the Yahoo Spoiler group I co-moderate) every week with this information, and I share with GateWorld Forum.

:)

Morjana

AutumnDream
November 17th, 2007, 03:51 AM
This was pretty decent. I didn't even comment on last week's. Season 4 has mastered the art of quality oscillation. It's too bad, I was hoping Miller's crossing would be good.

Orion's Star
November 17th, 2007, 04:36 AM
This episode was all right. Better than the last few that's for sure. There were parts I liked and parts I didn't like.

I guess I'll start with the negatives since it's a longer list.

- I don't get people saying this episode was unpredictable. I thought it was very predictable. Did people actually think they would have a scene in the episode with Atlantis getting attacked? Especially so soon after the events from the beginning of the season and with this not a finale or multiple parter? Of course not. That the CG wraith was mostly telling the truth was also easy to see, it's the only way this storyline will even remotely work. Or that the CG wraith's hive would last the end of the episode? Of course not. Like they could ever function with a hive ship hovering over them. It had to be destroyed in order for the story to proceed.

- The whole drama and tension over the Replicators starting to attack human worlds rang totally false to me. This whole bit about how the expedition has to stay in the PG because they keep screwing up and making things worse is getting annoying. Hello, maybe they should stop interfering in the political workings of the galaxy if they don't like the results. Like duh, how did they not see this coming? I knew it was going to happen as soon as they sicced the Replicators on the wraith and I'm just some idiot TV watcher.

- I thought Sheppard's pep talk to Carter was absurd. Sheppard giving Carter advice about how to be a good leader? First off, since when does Carter even need that kind of motivation? Second, Sheppard's a likable enough character but he's a terrible military commander. If I were Carter, he's the last guy I'd go to for advice about how to handle myself in a crisis of leadership.

- I'm not even going to get into the depiction of Woolsey's character. It's repetitive, annoying, and dumb.

Now the good things.

- Wraith humor. Worth the episode alone.

- The CG wraith was pretty entertaining. And fairly likable too. Hope to see more of him.

- Decent amount of tension and suspense, that helped the episode move along at a good pace. Compared to last week's episode which I thought was boring and slow as crap, this was like pure adrenaline.

- The Seer was interesting, too bad he looks like a one-off.

And that's it, I guess both lists seem fairly equal. I mostly liked it.

bluealien
November 17th, 2007, 05:07 AM
Another good solid episode. The quality so far in season four has been top notch IMO. Liked everyone here and Carter particulary stood out. She is the leader I always wanted Weir to be but Weir just never seemed leader material at all. I really love the dynamic that has already grown between John and Sam. Maybe AT is just reading similiar lines to Weir but she makes them so much more convincing and believable. She has the experience and knowledge to back up her decisions, and John/Sam scenes are a joy to watch. They both seem to compliment each other and I loved how strong and confident Shep came across as well. Keller is growing on me more and more Rodney was great here too.


Davos did a great job as the Seer and the whole subject was very well handled. Wonderful to see my fav Wraith return but I wasn't too happy that Sheppard was so willing to betray him again. Just because they were betrayed once by the Wraith doesn't mean they shouldnt trust any of them..that's like saying that ALL humans are trustworthy. I liked the convo on the balcony between John and Sam about taking the risk of trusting him, or just playing it safe and hiding away while the rest of the galaxy got slaughtered. It's about time they admitted something like this especially when they were the cause of these planets being distroyed in the first place. A few hundred people on Atlantis should not be worth the lives of hundreds of thousands and I'm glad they decided to give the Wraith the benefit of the doubt.

I wonder whats going to happen to the Wraith.. will they keep him on Atlantis or let him go.. I hope he is not just forgotten about and never mentioned again.

Teyla's pregnancy was also revealed by the Seer, and hopefully we will see the emotional fallout from that soon, and the angst that will ensue. I can't really see Sheppard being happy about the news or the fact that she kept it from him. How will this effect the dynamic of the team and how long will Teyla be able to remain on the team. I guess she wants to be able to keep looking for her people and doesn't want John or Sam to restrict her in her search, so maybe that's why she is keeping the news to herself. But as Keller said it will start to become obvious soon.

So overall a great and entertaining episode that has left unanswered questions about the fate of Atlantis and it's members. It has also sown the seed for a possible change and rift in the team and what part the disappearance of Teyla's people will play in the overall scheme of things.

9/10

Anubis91
November 17th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Maybe the better season 4 episode so far !
Finally all story arcs of season 3 and 4 are tied together !
We thought that by reprogramming the attack code of the Asurans, we could eliminate the Wraith, but finally, the Asurans have a more viscious manner to eliminate them, they prefer to kill humans to deprive tehe Wraith of their food !
And so we're screwed... we have to ally once more with the wraith to deactivate the attack code, but it's harder to turn it off than turn it on...
This whole idea of what race is the most dangerous for us and for the peagasus galaxy's humans is interesting !

The Carter/Woolsey relationship is quite funny ! This guy has definitly his place in the Stargate history ! And who was saying before season 4 airs that Carter has no reason for being in Atlantis ? I think she's doing great, I'm not saying that I don't miss Weir, but to miss an old character is not saying that the new one is bad !

Anyway, It's good to have Todd back ! I think that more good scenes are on their way with the next episodes ! His joke was...; quite frightening ^^

what's more.... oh yes Davos, it's clear afterwards that is role even important was quite minimal ! He's there just to make prediction, he has no real implication in the story, he just shows us what has to come !
And this thing about the future that can or cannot be changed is interesting, will or won't Atlantis be destroyed by this Ancient Warship, possibly owned by the Asurans or the Travelers.... (as a matter of fact, we don't know who it belongs!)

To finish this little review, the announcement of Teyla's pregnancy was a little part of the episode... How many episodes are we going to wait until she makes it known by the expedition... and who's the baby's father ? Kanan, Michael, someone else ?

I think of a 9.99/10 lol

AGateFan
November 17th, 2007, 05:41 AM
Ok so I watched this ep last night while finishing up COD4 on vet during the commercial breaks. So, I may need to re-watch the ep. I have also not read any of the previous post in this thread (yet).

My opinion of the ep was “meh” (thus why I probably lack the desire to re-watch before reviewing). I mean it wasn’t bad…there just wasn’t anything that struck me as particularly good or cool either (well except the wraith joke, I did ROFLMAO at that one).

This was a Carter ep, as Carter an ep as you will (and probably should) get. At least that’s my opinion. Maybe it’s because she had that Woolsey B plot plus was involved in making the decision in the Wraith A plot and then also interacted in the Seer C plot. Funny how the ep is named after the smallest plot point. I suspect the original draft of the ep was much different.

The seeing the future destruction of the base, was done on B5 and done better but it was fine.

Carter seemed in character to me, she didn’t push Rodney out of the way and work on the virus herself. She recognized Shep had experience with that Wraith and sought it out. She interacted with Woolsey and the Wraith as I would have expected. I must say again though that the new uniform is freaking horrible. Now I am not a clothes hound by any stretch of the imagination. Normally I couldn’t tell you what anyone around me is wearing and I really couldn’t care less. But the new Atlantis uniform (especially on Carter) is not only bad, it’s distractingly bad. It’s me cringing for her every time she’s on screen bad. And like I said, normally I don’t care (OK I admit my mind does comment on bad uniforms for 7 of 9 and Depaul too…. But only because a) after not noticing Troy’s bad clothes for so long I was stunned how nice she looked in actual uniform and b) what function or logic does tight spandex serve, especially when all other Vulcan’s are in loose fitting robes….but I digress).

Shepard was good in this ep. I liked his interactions with everyone particularly Carter, Woolsey and the Wraith. I liked the Wraith. McKay was uncharacteristically timid…was that because of Carter or Woolsey? Odd. Athosians aren’t dead and another scifi baby is in the horizon, that’s the extent of Teyla in this ep (guess they had too much last week). Ronan….um….well he holds guns on wraith real nice.

Hey a NON NETWORKED computer… no sht why the heck didn’t they do that the first time they worked with the wraith? How is it that no one even thought the replicators would start killing the normal humans, it was one of my first thoughts. I mean replicators in this galaxy wiped out everything, if the ones in that galaxy are at war wouldn’t that be the easiest course of action? It was obvious the wraith ships were going to blow each other up. What on earth (er Atlantis) made Woolsey think he could take over anything? I guess if Carter believed the vision it should have been pretty obvious that the wraith weren’t going to destroy Atlantis. Although she above all others should understand how “visions” aren’t always what they appear (Jonas S6.. plasma burn anyone?).
What did they do with the grunt wraith? Are they all in prison too? Where they sent on their way? Killed (if so why disarm them)? Are they going to scrw this wraith over in the end like they did Michael or did they learn their lesson? Will this wraith scrw them over? I don’t know, and that’s a good thing. It adds an something interesting to Atlantis but I may not be happy with what it adds.

Next week looks somewhat interesting. I mean it’s a McKay ep (yawn) but it looks like Ronan and Teyla get a field trip to earth….that could be cool or very very cheesy.

cocytus
November 17th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Is it my imagination..but haven't they "dumbed down" the Samantha Carter character?
While she may not have McKay's level of experience w/ Ancient or Wrath technology,she is his equal,if not superior as a scientist.
Or did the episodes of Stargate SG-1 when she schooled him become non-canon?
Just wondering

Anubis-
November 17th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Can that vision, witch Carter see be so that Atlantis was not destroyed by Replicators but by Travelers? She see only ship, not people inside.

SaberBlade
November 17th, 2007, 05:50 AM
I loved this episode.

I always find myself impressed with Christopher Heyerdahl and his portrayal of the Wraith in this episode was excellent. He added a lot to the Wraith in 'Common Ground' and in this episode he once again challenges our believes of what the Wraith are like. Alan McCullough did an brilliant job by adding the Wraith humour, which is far better and funnier than Jonathan Glassner's Jaffa joke.

I'm disappointed that they haven't given his character a name yet, but at the same time glad because once they name a Wraith it ends up dying.

I was surprised to hear McKay say "but quantum mechanics blows that out of the water" as Carter said the exact same thing to Jonas when he was predicting the future. However I was surprised that Carter wasn't more willing to accept the predictions but not accept them at face value because of what happened in SG1's 'Prophecy'.

I loved how Woolsey also got a lot of development. I didn't know that he, or anyone else within the IOA could take control of Atlantis. Even now, it sort of adds a unique twist to Atlantis that if something bad happens the IOA can sweep in and take control instead of just letting someone else make the choices and pinning the blame on them.

Did anyone recognise M5S-768? I'm just curious if that was an onscreen world or not. Given the population and they said last year, but I can't remember any world that would fit the pre-industrial and have 50-75,000 inhabitants.

I'm glad they pointed out that 3 months have passed since the start of the season. This allows us to predict with some sort of certainty that 'Continuum' could happen during season four as opposed to before the season like previously though with 'Ark of Truth'. Since Carter wasn't in 'Travelers' it's a good possibility that 'Continuum' took place during it. So This episode just kept giving without any disappointment.


Hey a NON NETWORKED computer… no sht why the heck didn’t they do that the first time they worked with the wraith?

They did think of that. But there was too much information so it was networked so more people could work on it.

Anubis- That's possible and I thought the same thing. However they don't know where Atlantis is and there is nothing to suggest weapons can even be fired by them.

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I also don't believe they dumbed Carter down, but she is in charge of the expidition so we should expect her to have the same duties that O'Neill had. He couldnt be offworld helping with issues and McKay is the expert on the code. We don't even know if Carter can read Ancient let alone work on their computer code.

s09119
November 17th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Can that vision, witch Carter see be so that Atlantis was not destroyed by Replicators but by Travelers? She see only ship, not people inside.


I was thinking that. I mean, the Travelers would have a much easier time gaining access to the city now that Sheppard has extended an offer of alliance. The Replicators would have to fight through the Apollo/Deadalus, Atlantis' fleet of 302s, and the drones.

Klenotka
November 17th, 2007, 06:07 AM
I really liked this one. Finally something started going on. After last week´s boredom, this was very good. Last year in this time, I would probably say fantastic or great, but I was a bit disappointed by the course S4 took. I expected some story-arc much sooner than in some 8th episode :S

Nice talk between John and Rodney about the guilt, it was great. Nice friendship moment. I like friendship moments this season between them. And I like how is Rodney written this year.:)

I have still some issues with Carter, but she did pretty well. It was her first step. I am sure she will have to deal with some more problems in the future and make some hard decisions. They also mentioned Carson last week, this week Elizabeth...nice touch.
And Wraith joke :D

It is interesting to have a Wraith in the base. It as the good old S1, when everything was new and unusual.

russ_sg1
November 17th, 2007, 06:11 AM
Good solid episode...

I have one question; joe mallozzi said in his blog there would be a horrific reveal at the end of the episode, I was half expecting Davos's daughter to give Teyla a vision but there was just nothing... shame

ColCaldwell
November 17th, 2007, 06:14 AM
Overall a good episode! Other than the reused battle scene from the Hive, no complaints.

ColCaldwell
November 17th, 2007, 06:16 AM
Also, the Wraith joke was pretty good.

AGateFan
November 17th, 2007, 06:37 AM
Good solid episode...

I have one question; joe mallozzi said in his blog there would be a horrific reveal at the end of the episode, I was half expecting Davos's daughter to give Teyla a vision but there was just nothing... shame

Um, this was the ep with the "horrific reveal"? Really? So what, the destruction of Atlantis which we all know is not going to happen is supposed to be "horrific". Well I guess that does give me hope then that their continued promise of a "darker" SGA will not turn SGA into BSG but will stay Stargate (lighter, more fun and interesting show).

Looks like the consensus is that people like this ep. So my distraction of anticipation for comericals so I could play my game must have really took me out of the ep. I will make sure to re-watch it now.

I am not sure what Carter was supposed to be helping McKay and the Wraith do that people were dissappointed about. I think just her staying away and thus keeping Woolsey away was by far the best help she could give ;).

I do think that a mention of Jonas would have been good. It would have made sense and it would have given the Jonas fans a little bone. A little technobabble could have been good too. I did like how Carter had to ask Mckay the same question a few times before he actually answered the question. Kind of reminded me of how she (on SG-1) would say she "thinks" something could be done and then O'Neill would say something like "you think" or "your sure" (not exact quotes)....it makes sense she would pick up on some of those leadership queues.

Ancala
November 17th, 2007, 07:18 AM
Am guessing Rachel Lutrell was farther along in her pregnancy than Teyla is supposed to be. The well placed computer monitor in carters office during the opening scene was a little obvious, as well as the dark colored outfit she wore throughout the ep.

Well, IMO she was allready showing in "TAbula Rasa" where the shots were well chosen or the monitors were well placed as well. It's like Amanda Tapping's strage behavior in Moebius, I think.

kirmit
November 17th, 2007, 07:20 AM
An ok episode, nothing special really except the return of the best wraith. BTW on the subject of the jaffa joke vs Wraith joke, what made the jaffa joke so funny was Tealc's reaction to it, the joke itself was like 'huh' lol, the jaffa joke is still number one for tealc's reaction imo :tealc:.

technoextreme
November 17th, 2007, 07:23 AM
Can that vision, witch Carter see be so that Atlantis was not destroyed by Replicators but by Travelers? She see only ship, not people inside.

Why would they destroy Atlantis? They were slightly crazy but they were not that crazy to destroy Atlantis.

FoolishPleasure
November 17th, 2007, 07:33 AM
Yeah it would have been nice to see more of the Seer but it would have taken up too much of the ep.

But wasn't this episode called, "The Seer"? I liked the CG Wraith, but found it odd that the B story got more time and was more interesting than the A story. I REALLY wanted to know more about Davos.

Maybe the whole incident with the funny Wraith (who I loved) should have been an episode all its own.

AGateFan
November 17th, 2007, 07:41 AM
Both the B and C story got more play then the supposed A story.
A) should have been seer
B) should have been wraith virus thing
c) Woolsey reviewing atlatnis.

Actually played out (IMHO)
A) Wraith
B) Woolsey
C) Seer (and a minor C plot at that, He shows up, gives carter and Teyla information about future ep and dies.....OK he gave Keller some slight growth and showed not all pretty females hit on shep but thats about it.)

iolanda
November 17th, 2007, 07:46 AM
Both the B and C story got more play then the supposed A story.
A) should have been seer
B) should have been wraith virus thing
c) Woolsey reviewing atlatnis.

Actually played out (IMHO)
A) Wraith
B) Woolsey
C) Seer (and a minor C plot at that, He shows up, gives carter and Teyla information about future ep and dies.....OK he gave Keller some slight growth and showed not all pretty females hit on shep but thats about it.)

I agree, but the seer plot was the net where the two other plots were included since vision 1 (McKay) led to the Wraith and vision 2 (Carter) was a large element in her working with and against Woolsey and not to forget that it will lead into the upcoming episodes as well.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 08:15 AM
I do think that a mention of Jonas would have been good. It would have made sense and it would have given the Jonas fans a little bone. A little technobabble could have been good too. I did like how Carter had to ask Mckay the same question a few times before he actually answered the question. Kind of reminded me of how she (on SG-1) would say she "thinks" something could be done and then O'Neill would say something like "you think" or "your sure" (not exact quotes)....it makes sense she would pick up on some of those leadership queues.
How Jonas get his precognition and how Davos got his precognition were totally different. Jonas' was a tumor as a result of genetic tampering on the part of Nittri. Davos was embedded unto his brain.

jds1982
November 17th, 2007, 08:20 AM
How Jonas get his precognition and how Davos got his precognition were totally different. Jonas' was a tumor as a result of genetic tampering on the part of Nittri. Davos was embedded unto his brain.

Still it was similar, they could have just mentioned it. Maybe Carter just telling the doctor to look for a tumor.

iolanda
November 17th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Still it was similar, they could have just mentioned it. Maybe Carter just telling the doctor to look for a tumor.

At that point Keller had already looked out and found the tumour which led to the death of the seer.

dark14
November 17th, 2007, 08:27 AM
I thought this was a 'good' episode overall, but a few bits did bug me a little.

- The actress playing Davos's daughter was horrible. That "And for the first time in my life, I fear the future," line could have been delivered so much better than what it was.

- The fact that they never really seemed to care about the seer's life. I mean, yes, they threw in a 'oh, I can't cure him' explanation at the start, but after that it played out as if we all knew he was going to die (which we did, but still). And even if all their medicine failed, they still could have used a Goa'uld healing device to heal him. Sam is right there on base, after all.

- The Wraith ships attacking each other. "I guess the other Wraiths didn't buy their story" hardly justifies them attacking. I can imagine the conversation:

Wraith ship 1: Hey, so, like, what are you guys doing all around this uninhabited planet?
Wraith ship 2: Oh...you know, just hangin'.
Wraith ship 1: LIES! *starts firing*

And then of course, staying around for the explosion to blow up their own ship as well. You'd think they would know better.

Also, nobody really got into the whole "Argh! We're gonna die!" mindset. Not even Woolsey...

7.4/10

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 08:31 AM
I enjoyed the episode very much, but my only qualm for the whole episode was the scene with Keller and Carter, where they were discussing sending Davros' medical test results to Earth for study.

Had they explained to Davros they were doing so? To do so without Davro's permission is against HIPPA guidelines on patient's privacy. Unless...the US Military is not required to adhere to HIPPA guidelines, and even though Keller is civilian, she is working for a military operation. Hmm...I'll have to look that up.

And if the military does not have to go by HIPPA guidelines, is that the price that "guests' have to pay for medical treatment on Atlantis? Forfeiture of their privacy rights?

Morjana
It may have someting to do with Davos not being a citizen of Earth. I compare that to The Enemy Within. That NID, whose name escapes me, was going to take Teal'c to be a lab rat. Wouldn't that be a violation of a civilized nation

SGFerrit
November 17th, 2007, 08:50 AM
SOME SPOILERS FOR FUTURE EPISODES.

I loved this episode, it was great to see Carter really take charge. I'm happy Shep followed Carter's command instead of Woolsey's. This is one of the best episodes of what has been a fantastic season. The ONLY nitpick I have is with the re-use of the Wraith Battle CGI, however, Atlantis', possibly the entire franchise' biggest space battle ever is coming up in BAMSR, so this is a good sign IMO, showing that they are gonna go all out.

I was suprised not to see Weir. Her secret 4th ep must be Miller's Crossing then!

CG Wraith was great. *Shake hands* lol! And it looks like they will be handling Teyla's pregnancy differently to the SG-1 ones. I can't wait to see what happened with the Athosians.

I have a theory...

We see in the trailer for TMC that Shep cuts Rodney's hand open, and Ronan says 'You can't trust anyone'. Does anyone think the Replicators have created a copy of Atlantis? From what we have seen from the trailer, it is attacked in that ep, with the team running up a stairwell as the roof collapses above, so we should find out in TMC

Once again, loved the ep!

kymeric
November 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM
Knew the asurans were gonna start exterminating humans to get @ the wraith, remember the human killing virus from season one? PRECIDENT! Asurans hate humans but their directive is to kill wraith, 2 birds one stone. Getting alittle better idea why the Ancients tried to obliterate the asurans,they had a virus in their lab so the asurans must have come up with the idea to kill all humans pretty quick after they were created. Makes sense that a weapon would think like a weapon. Maybe they should have programmed the asurans as stormtroopers instead of innovative generals.

Nice nod to Jonas Quinns breif ability to see the future, CANCER CAUSES SUPER POWERS! Might be why Carter accepted it soo fast, shes seen it in exactly the same way before.

Wraith joke = XD the shake hands thing was pretty funny, lol

Nice reuse of lost boys 2 footage lol

O.O at the aurora blowing holes in atlantis

I half suspected the seer of being a replicator, u know they can put visions in ure mind by touching you and it seemed convient he showed up the same time as the hives. But i was wrong :D

Nice to see a reference to their last alliance with wraith and it flowed alittle smoother this time

Wonder wut theyre gonna do with Johns Wraith buddy, not like they can feed him, hope he ate before he left. Not like they would have let him see the gate symbols for atlantis anyways, could prolly let him go when theyre done.

SGFerrit
November 17th, 2007, 08:54 AM
I didn't like the fact that Sam never mentioned any insight she should have gained after the experience with Jonas' visions.

And again, the poor woman can't win. If she mentions anything she did on SG-1, anti's are up in arms. If she doesn't, other people complain.

I know she is just a fictional character, but I actually feel sorry for her lol.

SGFerrit
November 17th, 2007, 09:04 AM
but finally, the Asurans have a more viscious manner to eliminate them, they prefer to kill humans to deprive tehe Wraith of their food !

I wonder, could this have been the plan they mentioned in Progeny?

I didn't see it coming, it's cool I reckon, the expedition have to live with the fact that they are responsible for all these deaths. They already woke the Wraith lol, I'm suprised ANYONE in the PG likes them!

Vala_M
November 17th, 2007, 09:15 AM
I checked five eps and all of them had 8 including the Atlantis gate. I think it is one of those things that keeps getting mixed up. SOme eps have 8 some have nine but personally not a big deal.

Atlantis's gate was never messed up. And I don't know how the CG designers could mess up so baldy, even as far as messing up Milky Way Stargates as well, they could have written it off as certain Pegasus gates only having 8 but when they messed up a Milky Way gate, that just proves it's a mistake. Especially since the orbital gates have 9. It's odd how they have removed the 9th chevron from the gate around the same time they announce the 3rd series which deals with the 9th chevron.

Vala,

Lythisrose
November 17th, 2007, 09:17 AM
I wonder, could this have been the plan they mentioned in Progeny?

I didn't see it coming, it's cool I reckon, the expedition have to live with the fact that they are responsible for all these deaths. They already woke the Wraith lol, I'm suprised ANYONE in the PG likes them!

The Atlantis expedition in the Pegasus galaxy seem to be like taking chemo or radiation to cure a slow growing cancer. They disrupted the status quo which would have had the wraith continue to feed off of people forever. By introducing themselves into the mix and setting off chains of events that cause mass damage they hope to kill the disease/wraith once and for all, but are causing a great deal of collateral damage along the way. Would the inhabitants of the PG think it is worth it?

kymeric
November 17th, 2007, 09:21 AM
Yes they do, I'll post pics if you want.

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/310/return1%5F0023.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/320/firststrike0302.jpg

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s4/401/adrift%5F0209.jpg

Quoted to say thanks for making me 3 new atlantis desktops! Mmmm soo Midway-ey

Linzi
November 17th, 2007, 09:24 AM
Both the B and C story got more play then the supposed A story.
A) should have been seer
B) should have been wraith virus thing
c) Woolsey reviewing atlatnis.

Actually played out (IMHO)
A) Wraith
B) Woolsey
C) Seer (and a minor C plot at that, He shows up, gives carter and Teyla information about future ep and dies.....OK he gave Keller some slight growth and showed not all pretty females hit on shep but thats about it.)
Yes, you're totally correct, I think.

I too had surmised that the Seer story would be the primary story being told, but, in fact it was more the tertiary one. I suppose I'd seen the spoilers etc and had just presumed that's how it would be. I would have liked to have seen more visions, but I suppose it might have given away too many plot points and future spoilers. I did find myself having many questions about Davos.

I did like that Todd featured so much though. I think he may be an important character in the next few weeks and beyond, possibly.

I also liked Woolsey in this eppie, I feel he didn't encroach too much, but was in it enough to make me annoyed at him, which I actually like!

Alan McCollough said the end of this episode was extensively re-written by PM, so I wonder if originally more of Davos was featured?

But, yes, I am surprised the Seer didn't have more air time.

Vala_M
November 17th, 2007, 09:27 AM
I actually found it quite funny he would even think of doing a joke in his situation.. BUT it does show us at least the wraith have some sense of humor..



Espceially as that was a scene right out of the hive...



Agreed, especially since again it was our fault the humans of pegasus are facing extinction...



I will agree on the carter/woosley scenes, but for me the quote of the day for them too would go to their ending scene, where woosley said
"Some times it helps to not put too much information in"... Almost reminded me of one of his statements to wier.



Which is strange since she has had so many episodes in SG1 where Time travel and future sight came into play she should have had a lot more faith in it... Such as when Johnas had those visions, and when they went to the planet in "its good to be king"..



Agred, and i loved it how after we learned of the truth to the wraith's statement, shep and rodney were talking about that nano virus we saw from Hot zone and relating it to the asurans..



Well lets see. So far we have seen it twice i remember. Once in the hive after john got those two ships firing on one another, and later on in Misbegotten when the wraith showed up to destroy our captured hive. And not one of them were where both hives were going to destroy US..



That is a very good point. We know the asurans have already built one atlantis like city, who's to say they did not have more, and what carter saw was us on that one, replanting the wraith virus..



WEll for the latter one, since keller said it looks like he might have always been that way and has been regressing some, who is to say he was not at one point in time as advanced as the ancients. Heck he could have been one who contracted some sort of disease that made him regress..

AS to the tracking device, it is very likely after he mentioned it they did so..



Too long.. Heck i wondered if atlantis stocked any after season 1.. as i cannot remember seeing any in season 2 or 3 other than in sateda..

I think that the tracking device requires someone be looking for it to work, it's not a distress beacon or something.

And Dr. Keller didn't say he was regressing, only that his advancement wasn't advancing.

Vala,

Jumper_One
November 17th, 2007, 09:39 AM
great episode, totally loved it! I knew it was gonna be a Carter episode and that it would reveal something for the main plot arc but I never expected it to be that good!

I think it's really good that we got to see some established characters again, this time Woolsey and the Wraith from CG. RP's performance is as always pretty good and I just love to hate this guy. :D I can't remember the actor's name who played Todd but he did a pretty nice job too. I also liked the Seer though we didn't really get to see much of him. anyway...

it's great seeing Carter in command, we saw some of that before in eps like Reunion or Tabula Rasa but I find her much more focused now. and I love it when she tells Woolsey to shut up, finally someone does. this is clearly more a character ep for Carter which they handled pretty well. CG was great too, the Wraith ships destroying each other, oh and of course the damage to Atlantis (or at least a city that looks like Atlantis, but why didn't it have its shield up? well...) - loved it!

as for the visions, I thought they were pretty well done. Rodney's vision is pretty straight forward, Teyla's more or less too. Carter was the best one imo (probably because of the action, the explosions and the damage to the city). I'm not sure who was attacking but it didn't look like a Wraith ship bit could be the Travelers. hm maybe they have some hidden agenda or double cross us sometime in the future, that remains to be seen (hopefully in BAMSR)

the Wraith ships destroying each other was pretty predictable imo (though the first ship should've known that the blast from the explosion could destroy them too, they don't come off as being really smart there). Carter would've suspected it because of her vision so no mystery here

all in all a very cool episode which makes me expecting even more from the eps to come. oh I totally forgot about the Wraith joke, thought it was hilarious (reminded me of Teal'c's Jaffa joke) :D

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 09:45 AM
Not a bad episode. Woolsey was funny. He reminded me of Voyager when he was captain :D. Heee heee...Back to our jalapeños, decent episode with a nice plot twist.

Ruffles
November 17th, 2007, 09:48 AM
I have a question. When they figured out the second Hive ship was just tracking the first one, why didn't they have the CG Wraith order the first one to leave? They had already downloaded the virus, and the ship could always return later. Then Atlantis could cloak until the second ship left the area and not be in as much danger as they were with two ships up there.

Just because the first one left didn't mean the second one wouldn't come. They were just being nosy on why the hive was orbiting an uninhabited planet. They would have probably checked it out even if Ship #1 left.


I must be the only one that actually like the uniforms.

Not the only one. The uniforms don't bother me in the slightest.


wasnt the seer im talking about the episode suppose to deal with the team finding out about teyla's pregenancy or was the writers just pulling our leg because i was pissed off and excited of this episode at the same damn time. i want answers.

The Seer was supposed to be the reveal of Teyla's pregnancy (which it was), not necessarily to her team though.


I enjoyed the episode very much, but my only qualm for the whole episode was the scene with Keller and Carter, where they were discussing sending Davros' medical test results to Earth for study.

Had they explained to Davros they were doing so? To do so without Davro's permission is against HIPPA guidelines on patient's privacy. Unless...the US Military is not required to adhere to HIPPA guidelines, and even though Keller is civilian, she is working for a military operation. Hmm...I'll have to look that up.

And if the military does not have to go by HIPPA guidelines, is that the price that "guests' have to pay for medical treatment on Atlantis? Forfeiture of their privacy rights?

Morjana

I'm guessing if Carson didn't need FDA approval for his ATA gene therapy, they aren't too concerned about HIPPA laws. And they haven't been above some genetic studying at the SGC....


And again, the poor woman can't win. If she mentions anything she did on SG-1, anti's are up in arms. If she doesn't, other people complain.

I know she is just a fictional character, but I actually feel sorry for her lol.

*giggles* Exactly what I was thinking. She's lambasted when she mentions previous experience and lambasted when she doesn't.

Lymphatic cancer is not brain tumors so there was no reason for her to connect what happened to Jonas to Davos' ability.


But, yes, I am surprised the Seer didn't have more air time.

I thought part of the brilliance of the ep was that although the seer wasn't in it much, everything he did had an impact - McKay's vision prompting John to include 2 jumpers, Carter's vision causing her to question every decision and causing everyone else to not know who to trust, Teyla's vision to enhance the indecision and mistrust.

Even though the seer himself was really the C plot, he had overarcing influence on all the other plots.

kymeric
November 17th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Just a quick post on Carters vision. Technically it didnt show the destruction of atlantis, just one of 6 peirs being shot up and the command tower being cut in half. Realistically as long as the chair room and the zpm room are still intact it shouldnt even slow atlantis down. Especially after the season 4 opener they should know better and have backup control stations set up.

All you need for controlling atlantis is a secondary set up, the really only essential part is the ZPM room, which if i remember right is at the base of the central tower.

hisg1fans
November 17th, 2007, 10:00 AM
Great show!!

Loved the pace and 3 strong stories. Sam was great with the Wraith, Seer, and Woolsey all three. Great interaction between all the characters.

I wonder if the Seer's daughter will be used in the future? If the foresight was genetic, maybe she has the ability too. She is young and her father seemed very protective. It might warrant a little extra research for the expedition. Also, since the Seer was similar to Rodney when he messed with the Ancient machine, could these people be Ancient decenants?

What will they do with the Wraith now?

Can't wait until the next show :)

WingedPegasus
November 17th, 2007, 10:17 AM
Not a bad episode. Woolsey was funny. He reminded me of Voyager when he was captain :D. Heee heee...Back to our jalapeños, decent episode with a nice plot twist.

. . . Captain?

Jumper_One
November 17th, 2007, 10:25 AM
. . . Captain?

nah he was the Emergency Medical Hologram (EMH), but IIRC there was one episode where he was acting Captain and saved the day

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 10:26 AM
. . . Captain?


..yes Janeway made him Captain for one episode :). After that episode the EMH was allowed to take control if the situation arose and Janeway and co were incapacitated.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 10:27 AM
nah he was the Emergency Medical Hologram (EMH), but IIRC there was one episode where he was acting Captain and saved the dayActually there were two epiosdes, This is getting a little off topic

1138
November 17th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Those circumstances of the precognition were different in this episode. Jonas precognition was a tumor as a result genetic manipulation while Davos was born with his. It was embedede into his brian like?* one of the four lobes

It doesn't matter what the cause was - the dilemma in this episode was how to act on the visions, not what caused the visions in the first place. This is the same dilemma that was in the SG-1 episode.



Lymphatic cancer is not brain tumors so there was no reason for her to connect what happened to Jonas to Davos' ability.


So you think Sam is an idiot? Any random guy on the street can draw the connection between two guys that can see visions of the future. The links were all there: Jonas was manipulated by an Ancient DNA resequencer to be more advanced. The Seer was born with it but was similar to the effects of another Ancient DNA resequencer.

The point is, they all learned a lesson in the SG-1 episode that could have been applied here: the fact that seeing visions of the future doesn't necessarily help make a decision. The problem is that she acted as if it was the first time she ever encountered anything like that.

And lymphatic cancer had nothing to do with his precognition. Instead, it was "unusually high synaptic activity" in his brain.


And again, the poor woman can't win. If she mentions anything she did on SG-1, anti's are up in arms. If she doesn't, other people complain.


There's nothing wrong with a character who has been on SG-1 drawing from the experiences gained in SG-1. In fact, it's expected. People in real life draw from their past experiences and when they encounter similar situations, they will use what they learned in the past to help them.

This isn't even an attack on the character; it's just that it is very strange that there was no continuity between this episode and the SG-1 episode where someone had almost exactly the same condition.

And the "anti's" are clearly wrong in this case: experience counts and Sam has a lot of experience. I find that the fans on this site get far too attached and/or polarized to the characters of their show that they can't see the bigger picture of what actually makes sense. If someone has relevant experience, they will share it. Whether its from SG-1 or SGA is not an issue. I don't go to work and refuse to share relevant experience I gained at another department in the company simply because it's a different department, unless I've been asked by to sign a non-disclosure agreement. I highly doubt that the Air Force or the IOA made Sam sign an NDA before going to Atlantis.

Anubis-
November 17th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Why would they destroy Atlantis? They were slightly crazy but they were not that crazy to destroy Atlantis.

If they are going play king of the galaxy, Atlantis people are only who may interrupted that game. Wraith are not interested until they got their food.

Dark Soul
November 17th, 2007, 10:46 AM
This kind of reminded me of that one episode of SG1 when Jonas could see the future. I dont know if this was already mentioned, I didn't read all of the posts.
But this was a good episode, I liked the wraith joke.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 10:46 AM
It doesn't matter what the cause was - the dilemma in this episode was how to act on the visions, not what caused the visions in the first place. This is the same dilemma that was in the SG-1 episode.At the moment, the Atlanis expedition was busy with Wraith and disabling the Asuran command code.?* There were more important things to do than explore Davos precognition abilities
So you think Sam is an idiot? Any random guy on the street can draw the connection between two guys that can see visions of the future. The links were all there: Jonas was manipulated by an Ancient DNA resequencer to be more advanced. The Seer was born with it but was similar to the effects of another Ancient DNA resequencer.I'm sorry, I don't see the simlairities the Ancient DNA resquencer?*
The point is, they all learned a lesson in the SG-1 episode that could have been applied here: the fact that seeing visions of the future doesn't necessarily help make a decision. The problem is that she acted as if it was the first time she ever encountered anything like that.And lymphatic cancer had nothing to do with his precognition. Instead, it was "unusually high synaptic activity" in his brain.See above post
There's nothing wrong with a character who has been on SG-1 drawing from the experiences gained in SG-1. In fact, it's expected. People in real life draw from their past experiences and when they encounter similar situations, they will use what they learned in the past to help them.This isn't even an attack on the character; it's just that it is very strange that there was no continuity between this episode and the SG-1 episode where someone had almost exactly the same condition.Agreed, *snip* The point thatSG Ferti was trying to make that you make that a lot of fans get angry of Carter when she mentions SG-1 and others get angry when they don't mention SG-1. I persoanlly could have cared less if?* SG- 1 was mentioned because The Seer was a fantastic episode

ToasterOnFire
November 17th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Good ep, rather enjoyable, but something kept this ep from being as good as TR in my eyes. All of the characters were solid. Woolsey was less annoying than he was in s3 and brought up legitimate points of concern. And this wraith is my favorite so far thanks to his dark humor - hope we see more of him. I wasn't as interested in the seer plotline, though I was hoping that his daughter would have a hint of his abilities.

I enjoyed Sam in this ep but I don't see how Weir would have responded any differently. Any of her lines could have been spoken by Weir, just like in most of Carter's eps so far this season.

Jonas is dead to TPTB, so they're never going to mention him again. Why is anyone's guess.

Oh, and can we stop making pointed comments about what the antis think and do? It ain't a hive mind ya know, no matter how some people want to generalize others. Talk about the ep, not the posters please. :rolleyes:

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 11:14 AM
Actually there were two epiosdes, This is getting a little off topic

I stand corrected and will punish myself.:mckay::mckay:


The Jewel will fall :cameron::cameron::cameron:

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Linzi
November 17th, 2007, 11:15 AM
I thought part of the brilliance of the ep was that although the seer wasn't in it much, everything he did had an impact - McKay's vision prompting John to include 2 jumpers, Carter's vision causing her to question every decision and causing everyone else to not know who to trust, Teyla's vision to enhance the indecision and mistrust.

Even though the seer himself was really the C plot, he had overarcing influence on all the other plots.
Oh yes, I agree. I don't mind that Davos had a smaller storyline, I think they got the balance right, but I was surprised, because the spoilers sort of hinted he was going to be in it quite a lot. I like Todd better myself, and I'm a big fan of Woolsey too. But I just thought he would be in it more. Just goes to show that spoilers can easily give the wrong impression. I loved that we had so much Todd. :)

prion
November 17th, 2007, 11:28 AM
I can't believe there wasn't a reference to Jonas...

I dind't even think of that SG1 episode, and I'm glad there was NO reference to Jonas as we've already had enough of carter saying "when I was at the SGC" type stuff to suffice for the season.


As leader of Atlantis, Carter runs the base and McKay does ths science aspects of Atlantis. He is just as quaiified on Asuran codes as Carter

McKay is more qualifed with the Asuran replicators than Carter is, as he's had the hands-on experience with them, where she has not.




And again, the poor woman can't win. If she mentions anything she did on SG-1, anti's are up in arms. If she doesn't, other people complain.

I know she is just a fictional character, but I actually feel sorry for her lol.

It's no different than other characters on the show, who yes, they all have their detractors. Teh only difference is that TPTB for some reason booted Weir off and replaced her with Carter, so, yes, fans are going to compare 'em. Carter's okay, but that uniform has GOT to go, that, or let it our or she loses weight. It's unflattering as it is.


Oh yes, I agree. I don't mind that Davos had a smaller storyline, I think they got the balance right, but I was surprised, because the spoilers sort of hinted he was going to be in it quite a lot. I like Todd better myself, and I'm a big fan of Woolsey too. But I just thought he would be in it more. Just goes to show that spoilers can easily give the wrong impression. I loved that we had so much Todd. :)

You know, it's sorta sucky that by the time Sheppard might name the Wraith, fans will have used the name for months. Sigh.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 11:34 AM
McKay is more qualifed with the Asuran replicators than Carter is, as he's had the hands-on experience with them, where she has not.We could argue that since the MW Replicators and Asurans are similiar that Carter is just as quailfied. But why bother consider that I agree with you that Carter should run the base and McKay does the astrophysics

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 11:41 AM
If Carter gives techie input :"Oh noes!!!She is taking over the show!!! Damn you TPTB!!!". If Carter lets McKay do his thing: "Oh noes!!!! We had a situation like this before and Carter is experienced enough!!!Damn you TPTB"...

It never ends....

Carter is a Col. only on paper. In this episode, like all S4 episodes, she was Dr. Weir. From scientist to mommy ...that is a long way. Why have Carter in S4 if she is a library rat?

prion
November 17th, 2007, 11:46 AM
We could argue that since the MW Replicators and Asurans are similiar that Carter is just as quailfied. But why bother consider that I agree with you that Carter should run the base and McKay does the astrophysics

Yup, let Rodney run the science. Carter's there as admnistrative head. She got promoted there, so she had to give up the science (realistically, when engineers and the like get promoted, they don't get to practice their job anymore - too busy with meetings, status reports and the like).

Linzi
November 17th, 2007, 11:47 AM
I dind't even think of that SG1 episode, and I'm glad there was NO reference to Jonas as we've already had enough of carter saying "when I was at the SGC" type stuff to suffice for the season.



McKay is more qualifed with the Asuran replicators than Carter is, as he's had the hands-on experience with them, where she has not.





It's no different than other characters on the show, who yes, they all have their detractors. Teh only difference is that TPTB for some reason booted Weir off and replaced her with Carter, so, yes, fans are going to compare 'em. Carter's okay, but that uniform has GOT to go, that, or let it our or she loses weight. It's unflattering as it is.



You know, it's sorta sucky that by the time Sheppard might name the Wraith, fans will have used the name for months. Sigh.
I hadn't thought of that! :eek: I hope, if Shep does name him, that it's Todd. Nothing else fits now! ;)

prion
November 17th, 2007, 11:49 AM
Oh yes, I agree. I don't mind that Davos had a smaller storyline, I think they got the balance right, but I was surprised, because the spoilers sort of hinted he was going to be in it quite a lot. I like Todd better myself, and I'm a big fan of Woolsey too. But I just thought he would be in it more. Just goes to show that spoilers can easily give the wrong impression. I loved that we had so much Todd. :)

Well, it's because of the fan interpretation of spoilers it may have appeared DAvos had a larger role. Many mountains are made out of spoiler molehills ;)

Skydiver
November 17th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Just a quick post on Carters vision. Technically it didnt show the destruction of atlantis, just one of 6 peirs being shot up and the command tower being cut in half. Realistically as long as the chair room and the zpm room are still intact it shouldnt even slow atlantis down. Especially after the season 4 opener they should know better and have backup control stations set up.

All you need for controlling atlantis is a secondary set up, the really only essential part is the ZPM room, which if i remember right is at the base of the central tower.
how do we know that it's ATLANTIS that got creamed???

doesn't the replicator city look exactly like atlantis?

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Wraith:I beleive its customary to shake hand from where you come from *raises hand**Guards raise P-90'sWraith:*HAHAHA! Just a little Wraith joke.Jelgate:lol:

Callie
November 17th, 2007, 12:02 PM
I loved the way that Ronon was prowling around the cell in the Brig all the time that John and the Wraith were talking.

When the Wraith reveals that the hive ship tracked him to Atlantis using a tracking device, John says that he will blow the hive out of the sky when it arrives. He then turns to leave the Brig. The Wraith talks for several seconds before John stops and turns back, but it’s only a few paces from the cell to the Brig door. Was John doing pigeon steps, or was he walking on the spot for all that time?!

As Davos dies, and barely heard above the sound of the heart monitor flatlining, a very quiet female voice says two syllables which I can’t make out. It’s not Jennifer speaking, and Linara’s crying and it doesn’t sound like her voice anyway. I wonder if it was an instruction from one of the production crew which they forgot to edit out.

jenks
November 17th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I stand corrected and will punish myself.:mckay::mckay:


The Jewel will fall :cameron::cameron::cameron:

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I've got a feeling RepliWeir will repair it, either that or it has something to do with

The weird season finale...

smushybird
November 17th, 2007, 12:16 PM
No way is Carter just Weir in a blonde wig. No way. Honestly? She's so much better. Sorry, but that's how I feel when watching.

Why? I honestly rate AT as a much better performer than TH, and Carter as a better character than Weir, that's the bottom line for me. I watch Carter and I never question what she says in any way, with Weir I did quite often. I'm not talking about the writing, I'm talking about the line deliveries etc. In my opinion, TPTB totally did the right thing bringing Carter over. She fits perfectly and AT just brings a warmth and professionalism to the show I love. She was the missing link, so to speak, and now I feel the cast is well-rounded and gels really well. I know some won't agree, but that's my honest opinion now I've had a chance to see 8 episodes and get a feel for season 4.



I completely agree with you! Carter does have that warmth and confidence and the presence that Weir lacked. Carter's aura of authority is just so believable. I never saw the same in Weir. (Weir would've probably shaken the wraith's hand... :D)

I was just thinking, watching the show last night, how it does feel much more complete with Carter in the leadership position. She fits in even better than I imagined she would.

And this season just gets better and better. I loved last night's episode. Smart dialogue, character-building moments, character bonding moments, interesting plot, real tension, and some humor and angst. The kind of ep I wish we could have every week. Really excellent.


I'd green you but GW won't let me. So here's some public green.
:D

prion
November 17th, 2007, 12:17 PM
I hadn't thought of that! :eek: I hope, if Shep does name him, that it's Todd. Nothing else fits now! ;)

Mallozzi's the one who dropped the name in his blog. and while many fans avoid the blog becuase of the spoilers, this one is now out of the bag.

prion
November 17th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I completely agree with you! Carter does have that warmth and confidence and the presence that Weir lacked. Carter's aura of authority is just so believable. I never saw the same in Weir.

I was just thinking, watching the show last night, how it does feel much more complete with Carter in the leadership position. She fits in even better than I imagined she would.

And this season just gets better and better. I loved last night's episode. Smart dialogue, character-building moments, character bonding moments, interesting plot, real tension, and some humor and angst. The kind of ep I wish we could have every week. Really excellent.

See, I liked Weir a lot, but I don't mind Carter too much (although sometimes she's been too hesitant, just something the writers built into her character and can't seem to shake easily). But her hair looks a lot better but the uniform's gotta go. ;)

smushybird
November 17th, 2007, 12:33 PM
See, I liked Weir a lot, but I don't mind Carter too much (although sometimes she's been too hesitant, just something the writers built into her character and can't seem to shake easily). But her hair looks a lot better but the uniform's gotta go. ;)


Oh yeah. I think the new uniforms are dreadful. They need an overhaul in the worst way. It's not flattering anybody.

Another thing I liked in this episode was seeing flashes of the 'old' Rodney, but in a more subdued way. There's a less abrasive quality to his arrogance but it is still there.

He was always a sweetheart underneath it all, but now it's less buried under the bluster and tactlessness. :D I like the little subtle changes in him but also like that the signs of the old Rodney are still there and DH lets them show in just the right way.

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 12:34 PM
how do we know that it's ATLANTIS that got creamed???

doesn't the replicator city look exactly like atlantis?

Well Repli-tlantis :P does not have the expedition members running around for their lives :P


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exit owl
November 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Another thing I liked in this episode was seeing flashes of the 'old' Rodney, but in a more subdued way. There's a less abrasive quality to his arrogance but it is still there.

He was always a sweetheart underneath it all, but now it's less buried under the bluster and tactlessness. :D I like the little subtle changes in him but also like that the signs of the old Rodney are still there and DH lets them show in just the right way.

Yeah, the arrogance is still there, but it feels more like a "If we need this done, I can do it" rather than a "I'm the greatest at everything, so I can do it"

He's just so eager to please! I thought all this really showed in the funny little exchange between him and Sam where she asks for a guarantee of success.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2007, 01:17 PM
true. however we did not SEE anyone familiar blow up so....what if the reps decided to 'camouflage' themselves by pretending to be the real atlantis

and did we get a close enough look at the people to see precisely what they're wearing?

Just thinking of a way that the dream could be interpreted differently

i mean they saw the ship go boom and thought that shep had blown it up, yet he never fired a shot and the wraith killed themselves basically. so the vision was 'right'...just not how it was interpreted

We see the city getting creamed and immediately think atlantis is getting creamed, yet there have been at least two instances of identitical cities existing...the tower i believe and the rep city.

what we may end upwith is something similar to Battlestar Galactica and the Pegasus. identitical 'ships' so to speak, but with very different fates

That city may very well end up getting creamed but it's not our atlantis

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Well Repli-tlantis :P does not have the expedition members running around for their lives :PThey could be running a operation on an Asuran ship. Its hard to say considering we know very little about The Mortal Coil and The Spoils of War

dc_
November 17th, 2007, 01:35 PM
The Seer's heart flat lined and the doctor just kind of gazed while he died. At least try something. After all that work building her up as a skilled professional....:confused:

Xicer
November 17th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Heh yeah I noticed that too. Right after the Seer lost consciousness I was waiting for Keller to do something, even though I knew he was gonna die I was a bit surprised that Keller just stood there.

Freekzilla
November 17th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Me thinks a little too much Carter vs. Weir discussion is entering this thread. It's one thing to say ye or ne and what was liked or disliked, but that's it, because people have started to banter about the two again, and this isn't the place for it. Just feels like a lot of "flag waving" is going on. :mckay::mckay:

Skydiver
November 17th, 2007, 02:25 PM
The Seer's heart flat lined and the doctor just kind of gazed while he died. At least try something. After all that work building her up as a skilled professional....:confused:
if the guy was 'no code' she can't do anything.

ethically, if a terminally ill patient says 'let me go' that's what doctors do. Let them go. Keller had aleady said that she couldn't cure him rather she could just alleviate the symptoms.

Ruffles
November 17th, 2007, 02:33 PM
So you think Sam is an idiot? Any random guy on the street can draw the connection between two guys that can see visions of the future. The links were all there: Jonas was manipulated by an Ancient DNA resequencer to be more advanced. The Seer was born with it but was similar to the effects of another Ancient DNA resequencer.

The point is, they all learned a lesson in the SG-1 episode that could have been applied here: the fact that seeing visions of the future doesn't necessarily help make a decision. The problem is that she acted as if it was the first time she ever encountered anything like that.

And lymphatic cancer had nothing to do with his precognition. Instead, it was "unusually high synaptic activity" in his brain.

First, the response was to comments about how Sam should have connected the two instances since "tumors" were involved in both. The lymphatic cancer certainly had nothing to do with Davos' abilities, and that was the point I was trying to make.

Second, do I think Sam's an idiot? Of course not. There is NO connection between what happened to Jonas (a brain tumor as a result of Nirti's manipulation) and Davos' ability no matter how you try to put it together. We don't discover that his ability to foresee the future is from higher brain function (reminiscent of Rodney's DNA resequencing) until half-way through the ep. Only Davos isn't growing in ability like Rodney (or Anubis' "son" - can't remember his name - in SG-1). When Sam first heard of the visions, she had no reason to trust that he truly had them or that they would come true.

Once they determined how he was able to have visions, the visions had already proven themselves true.


Heh yeah I noticed that too. Right after the Seer lost consciousness I was waiting for Keller to do something, even though I knew he was gonna die I was a bit surprised that Keller just stood there.

The man was dying of cancer, and she knew there was nothing that could be done. What would you have had her do? For all we know, he may have asked for nothing to be done.

Integrabyte
November 17th, 2007, 03:00 PM
For all we know, he may have asked for nothing to be done.

It is a bit far fetched what you say but yes, we could assume that. TPTB were not specific here and they focused more on Atlantis.


00:24:20:

Davos: "Dr. Keller is a dedicated and skilled physician but it does not take a great seer to know... what she is thinking and not saying. My time is coming to an end ".



true. however we did not SEE anyone familiar blow up so....what if the reps decided to 'camouflage' themselves by pretending to be the real atlantis.

This could work too and Shep is firing the drones to destroy the repli-copy. What if all the "familiars' are on the PJ with time travel capabilities and try to go back in time to fix the past so Atlantis does not go bye bye? Many things can be inferred



That city may very well end up getting creamed but it's not our atlantis

I hope it gets creamed or taken away by the ancients!!! As long as that thing is out there...greed ooo glorious greed :D

prion
November 17th, 2007, 03:04 PM
if the guy was 'no code' she can't do anything.

ethically, if a terminally ill patient says 'let me go' that's what doctors do. Let them go. Keller had aleady said that she couldn't cure him rather she could just alleviate the symptoms.

If Davos had lymphatic cancer (presumably advanced) then he was doomed. I'm sure the decision was not left up to Keller but Davos himself if he wanted to be revived if he flatlined. In the Pegasus Galaxy, I think most people think if you die, you're dead, that's it. Whereas on Earth (if you've got insurance), they'll revive you forever. So if he had a DNR (verbal of course), then Keller wouldn't revive. And probably, he wouldn't have been able to be revived anyway...

Oka
November 17th, 2007, 03:37 PM
This episode didn't work for me. The new Dr. doesn't work either, but that's another discussion. It never really got interesting and the whole premonition deal is used too much in television, it gets old. The episode wasn't that bad though, I liked that we got more info on the ongoing replicator/wraith war. Carter was great, unlike the doctor she really fits the role and has grown significantly in these opening episodes of Season 4. Some funny bits too.

5/10.

kymeric
November 17th, 2007, 03:39 PM
how do we know that it's ATLANTIS that got creamed???

doesn't the replicator city look exactly like atlantis?

The previous ship on asuras was surrounded by the larger city and physically connected. Why would the asurans make a replacement asurlantis and then fly it to the middle of the ocean away from their city?

smushybird
November 17th, 2007, 03:43 PM
This episode didn't work for me. The new Dr. doesn't work either, but that's another discussion. It never really got interesting and the whole premonition deal is used too much in television, it gets old. The episode wasn't that bad though, I liked that we got more info on the ongoing replicator/wraith war. Carter was great, unlike the doctor she really fits the role and has grown significantly in these opening episodes of Season 4. Some funny bits too.

5/10.

I agree that the premonition deal is used rather over-frequently in television shows.
But I thought the premonition deal was used in a clever way in this episode, complicating decisions instead of making them easier. It added a lot to the tension of the episode and made the ep more interesting than it would have been otherwise. It worked.

kymeric
November 17th, 2007, 03:46 PM
nah he was the Emergency Medical Hologram (EMH), but IIRC there was one episode where he was acting Captain and saved the day

Emergency Command Hologram, hahaha i remember that! Hed bicker with Harry about whos in command XD

must buy voyager, dont want to pay 120$ tho

NinaM
November 17th, 2007, 04:12 PM
A really good epi for me...

Loved the fact that things from the past are catching up to them and bites them in the ass... instead of just being tossed to the side never to be mentioned ever again...

Great to see that there really wasn't trust from Sheppard's side for the CG wraith... and him not having any problem with taking him out...

I haven't had any problems of Carter since she joined Atlantis but this epi just sold me... truly showed she belongs among them.. she steps up when needed,, are willing to take risks... but the major huge part for me...she listens to John,,,she doesn't dismiss him like he doesn't know what they hell he is doing... she listened to him, and she also came to him telling him that he is the one to truly know about the wraith.. she went to him for advice.. I really like them working together..they play off eachother really well...
When all the info got a little to much for her about what would happen to Atlantis..John stepped up..showed his support and gave his advice to her.. if they keep up to write her like they wrote her in this epi... I'm all for Carter staying on Atlantis for coming seasons... I feel this is by far the best working leadership on Atlantis..

Some emotional scenes as well ,,,John feeling the huge responsibility for all the humans lives that are lost do to something they have done.. and Rodney feeling he has just as huge part of it to... glad to see he didn't stick it to John alone,,but took the responsibility too... 8 episodes so far and I've enjoyed all of them...some better then others but all in all this season so far ROCKS.. :D

prion
November 17th, 2007, 04:20 PM
I agree that the premonition deal is used rather over-frequently in television shows.

As long as nobody starts talkilng to dead people. Wayyyy too much of that on TV already (Ghost Whispere, Medium, etc. etc.0

Athosian Death facilitator
November 17th, 2007, 04:22 PM
Wholy Moly.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 04:23 PM
As long as nobody starts talkilng to dead people. Wayyyy too much of that on TV already (Ghost Whispere, Medium, etc. etc.0terrible terrible tv shows

majorsal
November 17th, 2007, 05:12 PM
Carter's okay, but that uniform has GOT to go, that, or let it our or she loses weight. It's unflattering as it is.


what's the big deal with the uniforms? i've only seen sam wear those bdus for 10 blooming seasons, so i'm loving seeing her get to wear something else. i also don't think the uniform is unflattering to her. and no losing weight! :eek:

maybe the previous seasons' uniforms were better, but i still don't see anything wrong with these ones. just my opinion. :)




sally :)

prion
November 17th, 2007, 05:27 PM
what's the big deal with the uniforms? i've only seen sam wear those bdus for 10 blooming seasons, so i'm loving seeing her get to wear something else. i also don't think the uniform is unflattering to her. and no losing weight! :eek:

maybe the previous seasons' uniforms were better, but i still don't see anything wrong with these ones. just my opinion. :)



there's actually a thread about the uniforms elsewhere but other boards (scifi, etc.) are also discussing them (pros and cons) .

majorsal
November 17th, 2007, 05:30 PM
The Seer's heart flat lined and the doctor just kind of gazed while he died. At least try something. After all that work building her up as a skilled professional....:confused:

i believe keller said that treating davos was just buying him time (and trying to make him more comfortable).

someone mentioned about sam healing him with a goauld device, but maybe they don't have one on atlantis.



sally :)

Falcon Horus
November 17th, 2007, 05:48 PM
Just finished watching this episode...

Going on first impressions I'm going to give this a C.

I will be back later today (bed-time at the moment) for a more thorough review.

spookwomann
November 17th, 2007, 05:58 PM
Had a feeling our chuckling wraith friend would be back. In the hand shake scene i would liked to have seen Sam just keep holding her hand out for him to shake it.
will they be feeding Woolsey to wraith when he gets hungry or going off to get some wraith soldiers to keep him going till they get the coding sorted.

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Had a feeling our chuckling wraith friend would be back. In the hand shake scene i would liked to have seen Sam just keep holding her hand out for him to shake it.
will they be feeding Woolsey to wraith when he gets hungry or going off to get some wraith soldiers to keep him going till they get the coding sorted.
Its our new form of captial punishment. Instead of going to the electric chair, you take a trip to Atlantis for a little lunch with Todd

Fenrir Foxz
November 17th, 2007, 06:02 PM
hahahahaha, wraith jokes! slightly funnier than jaffa jokes, IMO.

Yeah I found that amusing too...

prion
November 17th, 2007, 06:04 PM
i believe keller said that treating davos was just buying him time (and trying to make him more comfortable).

someone mentioned about sam healing him with a goauld device, but maybe they don't have one on atlantis.




I think Sam's always been 50/50 on being able to heal people with that device, which I'm sure they won't let go to the Pegasus galaxy. Don't want it falling into the wrong hands.

Fenrir Foxz
November 17th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Had a feeling our chuckling wraith friend would be back. In the hand shake scene i would liked to have seen Sam just keep holding her hand out for him to shake it.
will they be feeding Woolsey to wraith when he gets hungry or going off to get some wraith soldiers to keep him going till they get the coding sorted.

Hopefully they'll feed Woolsey "that little weesel man" (quoting :vala:) to the Wraith... one way to get the IOA to back off a bit anyway...

Lord batchi ball
November 17th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Yeah I found that amusing too...

Amusing yes, but Jafffa jokes might not as funny but there not as creepy.

I found seer to be a pretty good episode from start to finish.

I really liked how Woolsey got put in his place, I loved it, maybe he will learn to shut up!!!

PG15
November 17th, 2007, 06:24 PM
Well, this is certainly a hard episode to grade. On the one hand, the plotting was very tight and twists were coming left and right, but on the other hand, there were some details in the episode that really irked me, but they were mostly aesthetics. Overall though, I enjoyed it a lot and Season 4 for me is 8-by-8.

So let's get the complaints out of the way first: Stock shots. I have no problem with them, usually, but The Seer suffered what Trek fans like to call the "Generation" Syndrome, whereby the episode took a very important and obvious scene from past episodes and stuck it into this episode as ANOTHER very important scene. For instance, the destruction of the Duras sisters' Bird of Prey in Star Trek Generations was the exact footage used in the climactic battle between Chang's Bird of Prey and the Enterprise A in the movie before it, Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country. Well, that pissed off quite a few Trek fans.

And now in the Seer, they took 2 very important shots, one visually unique, and another that was the climactic scene from a previous episode, and plugged it into the climax of this episode. Obviously I recognized them, and unfortunately that was a problem. Who can not remember the beautiful, green starscape behind the second hive dropping out of hyperspace that was featured in "Misbegotten"? Who can forget the 2 hives blowing themselves into smitherens at the high point of "The Hive"? No one, that's who, and although I'm sure the budget for those went somewhere else (i.e. mid-season 3-parter), it doesn't decrease my disatisfaction. It's funny, really. A lot of people pick on tiny bits that I either didn't notice or didn't care about, but here I am doing the same thing. I suppose I'm not as perfect as I, nor my fans, thought I was. Oh well. ;)

There was also a script error, I believe. After we found out that the human world was destroyed by the Replicators, Rodney said to Shep that "If we hadn't deactivated the attack code, this never would've happened". It's a hard sentence to figure out, but I'm fairly certain Rodney was supposed to say that "If we hadn't activated the attack code, etc. etc.". That took some rewinding, and unfortunately I have to conclude that it's a genuine error that I can't really explain myself out of. That rarely happens so...yeah, that wasn't very good.

Now, don't let this fool you, these are still just minor details. The rest of the episode was excellently done and at moments I had to remind myself that I wasn't watching a season finale, since rarely does Atlantis (or SG1, really) do these plot-heavy episodes at this "random" time within a season. As I said, the twists were coming in hard and fast, and many of those I did not see coming. After the first 10 minutes or so, when the action really started, I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the next development. Of course, the fact that there were shades of "Allies" probably helped in that respect, but there's no way you'll see me screaming "rip-off!" After all, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. The fact that Atlantis needs to stay hidden has always been a vulnerability of the expedition, so it wouldn't make sense if the Wraith banked on something else.

Speaking of the Wraith...oh my God that was just fabulous. Chris Heyerdahl (ha! Spelled it right on first try!) did an amazing job capturing the menace of the Wraith, and yet making the character 3-dimensional at the same time. A lot of that was helped by Joe Flanigan's portrayl as well, and you can see in him (Shep) that there is no wavering; he's definitly taken the "all bets are off" comment to heart. Really, they've all been burned by the Wraith too many times to act any differently, especially after what happened to Michael and what resulted from that. It really pleases me that we will see more of him in the future. Oh, and the Wraith joke was disturbingly hilarious, and if I were Carter, I'd probably shake his hands, just out of habit.

And speaking of Carter (I'm the segway king!) she was just wonderful in this episode. I may not be a Carter-hater like certain other people, but those who read my posts often will know that I'm not a big fan of her. However, this episode really brought her out of the rut that is technobabble land, and into a position of true authority. She was indeed stuck in a very messed-up situation, and like many leaders, she was faced with the difficulty of second-guessing herself due to (as Shep said) too much information. See, spoilers are bad, people! But anyway, I loved (again) Carter showing her vulnerable side as she tries so very hard to make a decision, especially during her scene with Davos near the end, and LOVED her absolutely PWNING Woolsey near the end. THAT's the kind of Carter I like to see, the strong military leader that she's destined to be since day 1.

And finally, speaking of Woolsey, what else can I say about him besides that Robert Picardo is ridiculously awesome? Despite the fact that we don't see him often, he is one of the best developed tertiary characters in the Stargate franchise. Slowly but surely, and thanks to the situations he's been put into (YES, external events actually permanently developed him as a character! That's rare in Stargate ;)), he's changed from a no-nonsense stiff-shirt bureaucrat to a softer, more mellow...bureaucrat. He's also admitting mistakes and taking himself a tad less seriously, which is wonderful to see.

A final little note here on Davos himself. I thought they chose a great actor to portray him, and it would've been nice to see him not die (I suppose they could've had the Common Ground Wraith donate some life to him, to save him, but it's probably out of the question in these troubled times). Still, he served his purpose and did it with style. His scene with Carter was probably the most epic non-battle scene in the history of Stargate. His lines, especially his "the galaxy is at a crossroads" line was something I've been waiting to see in the series for quite some time, and he delivered it perfectly. EPIC.

And with 1 vision still to be seen and the mid-season finale on the horizon that apparently has a horrible reveal at the end of it I cannot wait to see what lies in store as the war arc kicks into high gear. "The Seer", I hope, is just the beginning of a very interesting development in the Stargate universe.

Score: 9/10

Ltcolshepjumper
November 17th, 2007, 06:32 PM
I think Sam's always been 50/50 on being able to heal people with that device, which I'm sure they won't let go to the Pegasus galaxy. Don't want it falling into the wrong hands.

Its goauld tech. Who would possibly want to use it? Especially a healing device? Maybe the Genii. The goauld are the weakest of the advanced major races (The Asgard, Ancients/Asurans, Wraith, Ori)

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 06:37 PM
Its goauld tech. Who would possibly want to use it? Especially a healing device? Maybe the Genii. The goauld are the weakest of the advanced major races (The Asgard, Ancients/Asurans, Wraith, Ori)
Thats like having a zat in Atlantis. Technically the Wraith are the least advanced race. There hyperdrives can only be used for a short amount of time

Mitchell82
November 17th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Another good solid episode. The quality so far in season four has been top notch IMO. Liked everyone here and Carter particulary stood out. She is the leader I always wanted Weir to be but Weir just never seemed leader material at all. I really love the dynamic that has already grown between John and Sam. Maybe AT is just reading similiar lines to Weir but she makes them so much more convincing and believable. She has the experience and knowledge to back up her decisions, and John/Sam scenes are a joy to watch. They both seem to compliment each other and I loved how strong and confident Shep came across as well. Keller is growing on me more and more Rodney was great here too.
I agree. I have loved all three seasons of SGA but this one has just so far been so outstanding I definatly beleive that it is the best season so far. Every ep has been solid and very entertaining.



Davos did a great job as the Seer and the whole subject was very well handled. Wonderful to see my fav Wraith return but I wasn't too happy that Sheppard was so willing to betray him again. Just because they were betrayed once by the Wraith doesn't mean they shouldnt trust any of them..that's like saying that ALL humans are trustworthy.
I see your point but he really had no reason to trust him other than the fact they did help each other once. He does seem to be trustworthy but I would be just as skeptical he is a Wraith after all and it's hard for them to fully trust him.

I liked the convo on the balcony between John and Sam about taking the risk of trusting him, or just playing it safe and hiding away while the rest of the galaxy got slaughtered. It's about time they admitted something like this especially when they were the cause of these planets being distroyed in the first place. A few hundred people on Atlantis should not be worth the lives of hundreds of thousands and I'm glad they decided to give the Wraith the benefit of the doubt.
Agree that was a powerfull scene. It not only helped Carter grow as a leaader but really emphasised what we are all about.


I wonder whats going to happen to the Wraith.. will they keep him on Atlantis or let him go.. I hope he is not just forgotten about and never mentioned again.
Good question lets just hope Woolsey isn't in charge of deciding because his past experience would make him decide death.


Teyla's pregnancy was also revealed by the Seer, and hopefully we will see the emotional fallout from that soon, and the angst that will ensue. I can't really see Sheppard being happy about the news or the fact that she kept it from him. How will this effect the dynamic of the team and how long will Teyla be able to remain on the team. I guess she wants to be able to keep looking for her people and doesn't want John or Sam to restrict her in her search, so maybe that's why she is keeping the news to herself. But as Keller said it will start to become obvious soon.
That part baffles me abit. Why doesnt she want them to know? I am glad though that they arent revealing too much at once.


So overall a great and entertaining episode that has left unanswered questions about the fate of Atlantis and it's members. It has also sown the seed for a possible change and rift in the team and what part the disappearance of Teyla's people will play in the overall scheme of things.

9/10

Agreed. I like the fear of the unkown that this brought up. We know the end is coming but have no idea when. Very dramatic.

Skydiver
November 17th, 2007, 07:16 PM
guys, little moment hee

first: this is not the Weir Vs Carter thread, so please, keep your comments on the EPISODE and not long dissetations about 'how it would have been better' or turn this into a 'who is better' thread.

The topic is the episode and while SOME 'what if' works in the context, radically changing the topic to 'it would have been better had....' isn't.

Second: Let's lose 'those fans' type of comments. All of this 'weir fans' 'carter fans' and other little digs only make things worse. Let's not worrry about what other fans do/like/dislike and just worry about expessing your own opinion

All these little digs do is keep folks stirred up and work towards more and more hurt feelings.

Don't dismiss someone else's opinion with a 'oh, they're a _____ fan so of COURSE they were going to say that'

Mitchell82
November 17th, 2007, 07:20 PM
guys, little moment hee

first: this is not the Weir Vs Carter thread, so please, keep your comments on the EPISODE and not long dissetations about 'how it would have been better' or turn this into a 'who is better' thread.

The topic is the episode and while SOME 'what if' works in the context, radically changing the topic to 'it would have been better had....' isn't.

Second: Let's lose 'those fans' type of comments. All of this 'weir fans' 'carter fans' and other little digs only make things worse. Let's not worrry about what other fans do/like/dislike and just worry about expessing your own opinion

All these little digs do is keep folks stirred up and work towards more and more hurt feelings.

Don't dismiss someone else's opinion with a 'oh, they're a _____ fan so of COURSE they were going to say that'

I've got a feeling you're wasting your breath. It seems regardless of the fact you're a mod that some never listen. This board has been more hostile than I ever remember.

PG15
November 17th, 2007, 07:35 PM
Good solid episode...

I have one question; joe mallozzi said in his blog there would be a horrific reveal at the end of the episode, I was half expecting Davos's daughter to give Teyla a vision but there was just nothing... shame


Um, this was the ep with the "horrific reveal"? Really? So what, the destruction of Atlantis which we all know is not going to happen is supposed to be "horrific". Well I guess that does give me hope then that their continued promise of a "darker" SGA will not turn SGA into BSG but will stay Stargate (lighter, more fun and interesting show).



Oh ye of little faith. JM said that the horrific reveal is at the end of This Mortal Coil, not this episode.

rpmguitar
November 17th, 2007, 08:25 PM
There was also a script error, I believe. After we found out that the human world was destroyed by the Replicators, Rodney said to Shep that "If we hadn't deactivated the attack code, this never would've happened". It's a hard sentence to figure out, but I'm fairly certain Rodney was supposed to say that "If we hadn't activated the attack code, etc. etc.". That took some rewinding, and unfortunately I have to conclude that it's a genuine error that I can't really explain myself out of. That rarely happens so...yeah, that wasn't very good.


Not sure, but i thought he said "RE-activated", as in turned it back on after the wraith had turned it off. I've only seen it once though. Either way, another great episode. This season has been solid to fantastic with every ep so far.

jenks
November 17th, 2007, 08:34 PM
He definitely says 'deactivated'... meh, never mind...

PG15
November 17th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Yeah, there's a hard "D" sound.

Oh well, no big deal.

garhkal
November 17th, 2007, 10:06 PM
There's no reason to believe that Carter is in ANY way helpful to McKay when it comes to Asuran coding. The PTB have said that the Milky Way Replicators and the Asurans aren't the same thing, and the Asurans are obviously programmed very differently (ie. the coding not to hurt Ancients, the coding to attack the wraith, their ability to infect people with nanites). Carter's been so damn busy worrying about the Ori, I doubt she had any time at all to learn about Asuran coding.

Plus rodney has direct experience with them, unlike carter. I do not remember if she manipulated their code when she was on thor's ship where they were trying to find the anti replicator weapon counter code..


I have a question. When they figured out the second Hive ship was just tracking the first one, why didn't they have the CG Wraith order the first one to leave? They had already downloaded the virus, and the ship could always return later. Then Atlantis could cloak until the second ship left the area and not be in as much danger as they were with two ships up there.

Maybe it was too close to us and might have detected the transmission. Maybe if the other hive detected them leaving, it might have followed and blew it up. Maybe they might have just stopped in orbit and scanned the planet. And since we had that one wraith in atlantis, who knows if they might have been able to pinpoint the location of the city by linking with his mind...


i liked the seer guy (davros?) and his daughter. what's going to happen to the daughter now?

Don't know. Maybe she goes back to her home and starts up trade with us. BUT i would love to know if maybe the genetic imprint of his seer abilities might ave been passed to her..


oh, i was also wondering if that wraith telling them that it was the replicaters doing the mass murdering wasn't really the wraith doing it but pretending it was the reps so the humans would help them... but i guess that idea's no good now.

They checked the planet he named, and rodney said it was Replicator weapnry signatures he was detecting tha whiped it out.


Next NEW episode: "Miller's Crossing" - Friday, Nov. 30 - McKay's sister, Jeanie, is kidnapped by the CEO of a corporation that wants to possess her knowledge of nanite technology.

I would like to know what knowledge of nanite tech she has???


-Sam asked Rodney if he can shut down the replicator base code alone but he answers her that he cannot. He needs the virus and the Wraith help to do it.
I am surprised that Rodney cannot do it alone. He has always been a master in achieving the impossible so I was disappointed.

True, but imo he probabily has mellowed out a little in that regard from his mistakes..


I enjoyed the episode very much, but my only qualm for the whole episode was the scene with Keller and Carter, where they were discussing sending Davros' medical test results to Earth for study.

Had they explained to Davros they were doing so? To do so without Davro's permission is against HIPPA guidelines on patient's privacy. Unless...the US Military is not required to adhere to HIPPA guidelines, and even though Keller is civilian, she is working for a military operation. Hmm...I'll have to look that up.

And if the military does not have to go by HIPPA guidelines, is that the price that "guests' have to pay for medical treatment on Atlantis? Forfeiture of their privacy rights?


That is true, i would have liked keller to stand up to Sam a bit more on that for that very reason.. BUT who knows, maybe they DID ask he daughter (who iirc in our laws is authorized to give the doctor the ok to make said release of info) and she did give it, but that was cut out for time reasons.


great to see Rodney feeling the burden of his idea, and what had happened as a result of it. Not that it was his fault, I think it was a risk worth taking and as Sheppard said, it was his call, not Rodney's.

That was a great scene between them too... and it was a pity we could have not had it sooner.


Wonderful to see my fav Wraith return but I wasn't too happy that Sheppard was so willing to betray him again. Just because they were betrayed once by the Wraith doesn't mean they shouldnt trust any of them

It was kind of strange seeing shep being that untrustworthy to this wraith especially after what they went through together, AND after how he let the other one go in travelers.. Since that one did NOT try to do anything when shep stopped pointing the weapon at him..


I liked the convo on the balcony between John and Sam about taking the risk of trusting him, or just playing it safe and hiding away while the rest of the galaxy got slaughtered. It's about time they admitted something like this especially when they were the cause of these planets being distroyed in the first place.

Yes it was a good scene, and imo about darn time. Too often we don't get any scenes like this where they discuss the ramifications of our interference in other races/cultures etc, and our responsibility cause of it.


How is it that no one even thought the replicators would start killing the normal humans, it was one of my first thoughts.

Perhaps they did but the idea got shot down. Also to those there maybe the thought of a race exterminating himans to deprive the wraith their food was anthema..


I didn't know that he, or anyone else within the IOA could take control of Atlantis. Even now, it sort of adds a unique twist to Atlantis that if something bad happens the IOA can sweep in and take control instead of just letting someone else make the choices and pinning the blame on them.

Neither did i see that happening, and to me it is a bad idea that it should be allowable.


And even if all their medicine failed, they still could have used a Goa'uld healing device to heal him. Sam is right there on base, after all.

That is assuming they have one.


I compare that to The Enemy Within. That NID, whose name escapes me, was going to take Teal'c to be a lab rat. Wouldn't that be a violation of a civilized nation

Simmons. And while it maybe similar, that was done BY someone with no moral ethics as i see simons having none.


Knew the asurans were gonna start exterminating humans to get @ the wraith, remember the human killing virus from season one? PRECIDENT! Asurans hate humans but their directive is to kill wraith, 2 birds one stone.

Remember they did not know WHO made that virus at the start off.


I wonder, could this have been the plan they mentioned in Progeny?

I didn't see it coming, it's cool I reckon, the expedition have to live with the fact that they are responsible for all these deaths. They already woke the Wraith lol, I'm suprised ANYONE in the PG likes them!

I am wondering that myself. AS to the PG people not liking us, while i can see some hating us like the Genni for waking up the wraith, i can also see others not holding it against us since we had no idea of them in the first place.

Cont next post as this is long..

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Simmons. And while it maybe similar, that was done BY someone with no moral ethics as i see simons having none.
Simmons was in Season 5 and 6. The Enemy Within was in Season 1.

garhkal
November 17th, 2007, 10:24 PM
I'm guessing if Carson didn't need FDA approval for his ATA gene therapy, they aren't too concerned about HIPPA laws. And they haven't been above some genetic studying at the SGC....

Which is one of the things i am having a hard time figuring out. Even military doctors still apply the HIPPA laws and such to their work, so i wonder why those in the SGC program seem to forget them..



I wonder if the Seer's daughter will be used in the future? If the foresight was genetic, maybe she has the ability too. She is young and her father seemed very protective. It might warrant a little extra research for the expedition. Also, since the Seer was similar to Rodney when he messed with the Ancient machine, could these people be Ancient decenants?


I wonder that too. And if nothing else it might make the spring board for another episode.



As Davos dies, and barely heard above the sound of the heart monitor flatlining, a very quiet female voice says two syllables which I can’t make out. It’s not Jennifer speaking, and Linara’s crying and it doesn’t sound like her voice anyway. I wonder if it was an instruction from one of the production crew which they forgot to edit out.

I noticed that 'hiccup' too. I wonder if it will make it into the bloopers later on when the DVD set comes out.



what we may end upwith is something similar to Battlestar Galactica and the Pegasus. identitical 'ships' so to speak, but with very different fates


From my watching of BSG the Galactica and the Pegasus look nothing alike.


The previous ship on asuras was surrounded by the larger city and physically connected. Why would the asurans make a replacement asurlantis and then fly it to the middle of the ocean away from their city?

Safety. They already know we know of their home and that we want to destroy them. IMO their making another city ship and putting it elsewhere to be a 'safety net' should the humans make another attack is actually smart.



Great to see that there really wasn't trust from Sheppard's side for the CG wraith... and him not having any problem with taking him out...
Some emotional scenes as well ,,,John feeling the huge responsibility for all the humans lives that are lost do to something they have done.. and Rodney feeling he has just as huge part of it to... glad to see he didn't stick it to John alone,,but took the responsibility too... 8 episodes so far and I've enjoyed all of them...some better then others but all in all this season so far ROCKS.. :D

Actually the ease at which he mistrusted that wraith was imo WAY out of character for john. As to the rodney and john scene, as mentioned earlier i loved it and felt that this was long overdue.


I think Sam's always been 50/50 on being able to heal people with that device, which I'm sure they won't let go to the Pegasus galaxy. Don't want it falling into the wrong hands.

Well Vala has a lot better control over it for healing and that might make a good reason to get SG1 over for a visit.



There was also a script error, I believe. After we found out that the human world was destroyed by the Replicators, Rodney said to Shep that "If we hadn't deactivated the attack code, this never would've happened"

TO me it sounded like he said REactivated...


Simmons was in Season 5 and 6. The Enemy Within was in Season 1.

I know, but iirc it was simmons as a military person not NID agent..

jelgate
November 17th, 2007, 10:27 PM
I know, but iirc it was simmons as a military person not NID agent..
Way off topic but Col Simmons was military too. He was basically Col. Maybourne replacement

Mitchell82
November 17th, 2007, 11:13 PM
Way off topic but Col Simmons was military too. He was basically Col. Maybourne replacement

Way off topic but the guy he was refering to was Col. Kennedy who wanted to take Teal'c.

Mitchell82
November 17th, 2007, 11:13 PM
Yeah, there's a hard "D" sound.

Oh well, no big deal.

Agreed no biggie.

retiredat44
November 18th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Hopefully they'll feed Woolsey "that little weesel man" (quoting :vala:) to the Wraith... one way to get the IOA to back off a bit anyway...

Robert Picardo is an extremely talented actor. This really annoys me that that do not use him to his potential. He is very gifted. maybe he decided he does not want to use his potential, for some personal reason. A real shame, they just use him and a wimpy baffoon. A terrible shame. :(

iolanda
November 18th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Robert Picardo is an extremely talented actor. This really annoys me that that do not use him to his potential. He is very gifted. maybe he decided he does not want to use his potential, for some personal reason. A real shame, they just use him and a wimpy baffoon. A terrible shame. :(

Did you ever consider that Picardo likes to portrait Woolsey exactly the way he does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYdzl680uk

Look what Picardo says after 0:38!

Integrabyte
November 18th, 2007, 03:25 AM
Star Schnitzel :D


Robert Picardo is a very good actor and its a joy to watch him act. I loved his part in the Seer. Brought back memories :D

P-90_177
November 18th, 2007, 03:31 AM
i really loved this ep. we got to see all the characters at their best and it was nice to see that the wraith can still have multiple agendas. even liked woolsey in this one. mainly because his course of action made alot of sense.

freetoken
November 18th, 2007, 03:35 AM
There was also a script error, I believe. After we found out that the human world was destroyed by the Replicators, Rodney said to Shep that "If we hadn't deactivated the attack code, this never would've happened". It's a hard sentence to figure out, but I'm fairly certain Rodney was supposed to say that "If we hadn't activated the attack code, etc. etc.". That took some rewinding, and unfortunately I have to conclude that it's a genuine error that I can't really explain myself out of. That rarely happens so...yeah, that wasn't very good.

Yeah, it threw me for a loop too. I assumed he meant to say "activated".

Also agree on the Woolsey and Davos actors opinion - SG1 almost always had first rate supporting actors and recurring characters, and I'm glad it carried over to SGA.

Overall, one of the better episodes this season. I just wish all of SGA episodes were consistently as good as this one.

elbo
November 18th, 2007, 04:16 AM
'The Seer' i found it an amazing episode, almost nothing to complain about, with the purpose to develop the main story and to set the teritory for the mid-season parter, not forgeting the main characters and under-used 'prophecy theme' in SG universe made the things more complicated, impredictable and kept the viewer intelectualy busy durring the episode. Such a huge quality gap between 'The Seer' and 'Missing'.

Such a nice episode for the 'leader Sam' and cannot help not to appreciate the quality of her decisions and the 'leader cold blood' in dealing with the enemy. Weir would have probably fainted when hearing the first Wraith's joke (:D) or getting scared like a little girl, like any 'true leader' will do. With Sam is so different, is like she require and recive the relevant data and she solve the leader equation. With Weir was like she always recived the the solution and just wrote it on the table and this in her good non-complexed days.

Woolsey is a very entertaining and interesting character; he always drop in tensionate situations (SG1 + SGA) and freak out and panic and make all the possible wrong calls which don't affect his abilty to make more wrong calls to the next chance he gets. He is a SG masterpiece along with Rodney annd O'Neill.

drake122
November 18th, 2007, 05:45 AM
An average episode, though relatively good when compared to the rest of this season.

Picardo was great, and Carter too.

Actionhank
November 18th, 2007, 06:07 AM
* Davos being genuine and his people being nice. Surely someone must be trustworthy in Pegasus

How do you know he and they are nice? At least we should think it I guess. But I must say a great actor for Davos - really great, also great actor for the Wraith - again.
As for CGI reused und Gate CGIed - well that's the price to pay if you want good actors in an episode - and it really payed of this time. :)

Falcon Horus
November 18th, 2007, 06:51 AM
So, I'm back. At 3am I gave it a C, and I'm still giving it a C 12 hours later. No, make that a C-.

Anyway... Let's get on with my thoughts:

* I went in to this episode with a little bit of information. I knew it was about a man who could see visions of the future and share them with others. I know this was the episode that would reveal Teyla's pregnancy, and that there was something with the Wraith.
With the info I knew, I was expecting something quite different than what was happening on screen.

The episode fell flat, flatter than a flat-screen TV (or my laptop screen for that matter).

* Ronon said at the end of Lifeline that whoever was going to replace Weir, had to fill big shoes. I'm afraid to say I find that Carter's feet are way too small to fit those shoes. She just doesn't have it. I really don't see why Weir had to go... Really, I don't see the need for her replacement.

* also the lack of chemistry is starting to annoy me more and more. You know the trio Rodney-Elizabeth-John... their chemistry jumped off the screen, their banter was fine-tuned, practically capable of ending each other's thoughts in a way.
The trio Rodney-Sam-John just doesn't have that chemistry. Flat like the episode.

Trio 1 -> ____________________ (smooth)
Trio 2 -> _______--------______ (interrupted, like the wire is broken)

* Oh, what's her name again... *clicks fingers McKay-style* She's about 5"5'-something, blond-brownish shoulderlength hair. I think she's from the Pegasus Galaxy, no I'm sure she's from the PG. Remember her? What's her name again? T-something...

Oh yeah ... TEYLA!!

Girl got her token episode and now she's back to being background singer. Missing ends with this big scene... Keller telling Teyla they should have a little chat cause there's something she wants to talk about. Sounded and looked all very serious. So, you expect it to continue on in this episode, get to see this serious conversation maybe. Nope, nothing. It's not even mentioned until Davos mentions her condition on that balcony. *headdesk* I thought she was going to have an arc... Must be like Ford's arc then, or Weir's. :mckay:

* It was nice to see the Wraith again. He looked a little pale though. I wonder when his last meal had been. He was also a bit too human in behavior, must have spend quite a while in that prison with the Genii to assimilate their behavior.

Unfortunately his humor fell equally as flat as the episode. I was so annoyed by that time that it just sounded extremely lame. Wraith humor needs a boost.

* McKay was his old self again with a few wonderful typical McKay-moments where he is all full of himself. You just gotta love Rodney. :mckayanime18:

* The CG-action sequence of Atlantis being destroyed was impressive. The two cruisers blowing each other to smithereens was nicely done too. Nice color-scheme. I was thinking 'Oh, that would make a cool wallpaper'. That is, if I didn't just switch my wallpaper to a new one. Not SGA-related.

All in all, I felt like turning the episode off being approx. halfway through it. Never before did I feel this way, not even with the Irr's in season 3. I was just watching like a mindless drone, nothing of what was on screen forcing any kind of emotion from me, except anger (yelled at Carter to get the frell of Weir's balcony, and that she wasn't the expedition's leader but a mere substitute which will leave when the true leader comes back).

At some point I found myself watching around Carter (not always possible) and I must say that the background sets are nice, and quite likeable to watch. The set-dressers and prop-builders do a good job.

Tekken Lord
November 18th, 2007, 07:17 AM
Are you talking about the same Weir that was the only problem i've had with this show for 3 years? (other problems exist just not this bad or big)

Falcon Horus
November 18th, 2007, 07:21 AM
Are you talking about the same Weir that was the only problem i've had with this show for 3 years? (other problems exist just not this bad nor big)

Are you asking me that question? :o

Cause I loved Weir in the last three seasons... and in the 2 episodes in season 4 so far. Don't try to change my view on that, and I won't even try to change yours. It appears you don't like her, that's all good. We shall have to agree to disagree. :)