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GateWorld
November 12th, 2007, 07:11 PM
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Peter and Adam track down a former Company scientist in order to find the Shanti Virus, though Peter does not know his new friend's true colors. Sylar tries to get rid of Maya's brother, and Micah is reunited with his mother. Monica uses her power to try and help her cousin.

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Xicer
November 26th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Good episode, though the Maya/Siler/Alejandro storyline is beyond predictable. Like evil Claire. Who wants to guess on who the two fallen heroes will be?

TDgamer
November 26th, 2007, 07:08 PM
If Hiro dies, I will quit watching.

I am hoping it is Maya and Niki.

tace
November 26th, 2007, 07:22 PM
I think Matt's getting to be superfluous lately. And he broke my heart by mentally forcing Ma Petrelli to give up that name. If it's Niki then wow, poor Micah.

My new theory: Mohinder's power is to never know what's going on. And Peter obviously picked it up from him. :)

the fifth man
November 26th, 2007, 07:25 PM
I thought this was a pretty good episode. Just setting things up really for next week's big conclusion. Now that will really be something to see. As for who we'll be losing, I can't even guess that. Too many possibilities.

Phenix
November 26th, 2007, 09:37 PM
Good episode, though the Maya/Siler/Alejandro storyline is beyond predictable. Like evil Claire. Who wants to guess on who the two fallen heroes will be?

I figured this would have sparked more comments. I'm not a giant fan of this episode but I think its just feeding into the big conclusion.

Peter's storyline is getting on my nerves. The man can freaking read minds so why the hell wouldn't he read Adam's mind after that lady warns him. She wouldn't just shoot them for no reason at all. I could deal w/ an evil Peter but he's just a naive puppy.

The Hiro-Peter fight in next episode is well lame. It should realistically last a few seconds. Peter can just immobilize Hiro or fry him. Of course we know from the previews that Hiro somehow gets to Peter's back. And now you have Peter fighting a former ally who helped him save the world once. And he is fighting him over what a girl? Its not like he can't save the world with out Adam.

About the Heroes who die. I would not be surprised if Micah dies in Nikki's arm. I doubt Monica dies but if its not Micah then she is gone. She warned Micah to stay away and I am going to guess that the kid follows the car somehow and gets a bullet for his troubles. Or maybe she catches a bullet to save Micah. I like Nikki so I hope she sticks around. She'd make a great bad ass character w/ all that pain and remorse.

O and Maya dies. Sylar gets his power back and kills her. She is one of the Heroes. This also means that Sylar was infected with a working Shanti virus.

Franklyn Blaze
November 26th, 2007, 10:17 PM
If Hiro dies, I will quit watching.

I am hoping it is Maya and Niki.
The next episode is the last episode, ever. That's what Finale means. :(

So how did Syler find Molly? Major plot hole. :(

jds1982
November 26th, 2007, 10:53 PM
The next episode is the last episode, ever. That's what Finale means. :(

So how did Syler find Molly? Major plot hole. :(

That would be what series finale means, however this is probably the season finale, unless by some miracle the strike is resolved. And Sylar could have picked up a fricken phone book or used the internet to look up Mohinder. Oh and Mohinder and Peter are clueless idiots, let's go blindly along and not question anything. I almost hope Mohinder bites it, because he is getting on my nerves.

sylaryuu
November 26th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Does anyone know who played the young Victoria Pratt?

Here's her picture on the website
Victoria Pratt (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/photos/scet/1416/NUP_110815_1107.jpg)

I thought it was Jaime Ray Newman (Lt. Cadman from SGA) but I'm not sure. Any ideas?

alaskannut
November 26th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Oh and Mohinder and Peter are clueless idiots, let's go blindly along and not question anything. I almost hope Mohinder bites it, because he is getting on my nerves.
Judging by the fact that HRG is free and back with his family sometime in the next episode, and that Mohinder has found out that HRG was not lying about the company's involvement with the virus....yeahhhh...I'm thinking Mo starts thinking and comes around;)

alaskannut
November 26th, 2007, 11:28 PM
The next episode is the last episode, ever. That's what Finale means. :(

So how did Syler find Molly? Major plot hole. :(
Dude...they've already named the next volume--they're just waiting for the writers to come back:S

Also....have you not heard of a phone book before?:confused: It's really handy....you can look in it and by people's names(they're even organized alphabetically:D:D) you can find their phone numbers;)

Snord
November 27th, 2007, 01:38 AM
I thought that was a great episode. There were a few things that irritated me to no end. Peter is really gullible-to the point that I believe if someone asked him for his social security number, credit card number, date of birth, and used the phrase 'its to save the world' he would give it up in a heart beat. Why would he not use telepathy on Adam to find his intent after Victoria goes to that much trouble to kill Adam and label Peter so quickly for being around Adam?

I understand that the plot must move on, but the dialogoe between Hiro and Peter was way too short-it can be summed like this: Peter: "OMG Hiro waz up!?" Hiro: "Not much, came to kill that blonde dude behind you for killing my father-" Peter: "Nu uh, I'm PRO-tecting him" Hiro: "Well instead of explaining why he's a bad dude, I'm going give a huge scream and run into you with a sword". Peter doesn't yell 'wait' or 'stop', suspend him in air with telekinesis, or even attempt to understand more about why his old friend would just go into kill mode without explaining himself more! Peter just puts up the lightning hand for epic win...

The end of the episode shows Hiro sprinting into Peter or Highlander with superpowers (because we now know that Adam, Peter, and possibly Claire die without a head) so I would expect Hiro to die inspite of the preview. Molly is next on my list because Sylar seems to really like Maya. The ability to find your prey outweighs the ability to kill everything in sight-especially when you already have that one (nuclear reaction).

The info on this site suggests that next episode supposedly contains a 4 way brawl between Hiro, Matt, Peter, and Nathan. Matt can make people do things and Nathan can jet into you knocking you into a building, but they would both be dust assuming they don't act first. Hiro can stop time and kill people with a sword inless Peter stops him. In that supposed fight I'll say Nathan and Hiro are goners while Matt forces Peter to do jumping jacks in midair. Its a tough call on who would really die. I have no idea who will die, but I have two fun scenarios for the beginning of Volume III next week-lets say these happen instead: Just for kicks lets say Elle gets bored and decides to shoot lightning at a car and Claude, the invisible man, accidentally intercepts the lightning while walking invisibly. While both are flying two different destinations, Nathan sideswipes West midair killing West.

One last thing: Sylar knows where Suresh lives because its the same apartment as last season when he invaded it and the same apartment that Mohinder's father lived in. Sylar + phonebook = No


:comeon:

alaskannut
November 27th, 2007, 02:00 AM
I thought that was a great episode. There were a few things that irritated me to no end. Peter is really gullible-to the point that I believe if someone asked him for his social security number, credit card number, date of birth, and used the phrase 'its to save the world' he would give it up in a heart beat. Why would he not use telepathy on Adam to find his intent after Victoria goes to that much trouble to kill Adam and label Peter so quickly for being around Adam?

I understand that the plot must move on, but the dialogoe between Hiro and Peter was way too short-it can be summed like this: Peter: "OMG Hiro waz up!?" Hiro: "Not much, came to kill that blonde dude behind you for killing my father-" Peter: "Nu uh, I'm PRO-tecting him" Hiro: "Well instead of explaining why he's a bad dude, I'm going give a huge scream and run into you with a sword". Peter doesn't yell 'wait' or 'stop', suspend him in air with telekinesis, or even attempt to understand more about why his old friend would just go into kill mode without explaining himself more! Peter just puts up the lightning hand for epic win...

The end of the episode shows Hiro sprinting into Peter or Highlander with superpowers (because we now know that Adam, Peter, and possibly Claire die without a head) so I would expect Hiro to die inspite of the preview. Molly is next on my list because Sylar seems to really like Maya. The ability to find your prey outweighs the ability to kill everything in sight-especially when you already have that one (nuclear reaction).

The info on this site suggests that next episode supposedly contains a 4 way brawl between Hiro, Matt, Peter, and Nathan. Matt can make people do things and Nathan can jet into you knocking you into a building, but they would both be dust assuming they don't act first. Hiro can stop time and kill people with a sword inless Peter stops him. In that supposed fight I'll say Nathan and Hiro are goners while Matt forces Peter to do jumping jacks in midair. Its a tough call on who would really die. I have no idea who will die, but I have two fun scenarios for the beginning of Volume III next week-lets say these happen instead: Just for kicks lets say Elle gets bored and decides to shoot lightning at a car and Claude, the invisible man, accidentally intercepts the lightning while walking invisibly. While both are flying two different destinations, Nathan sideswipes West midair killing West.

One last thing: Sylar knows where Suresh lives because its the same apartment as last season when he invaded it and the same apartment that Mohinder's father lived in. Sylar + phonebook = No


:comeon:
Good points there...on the 4-way fight
from the (so far 100% accurate)spoilers I've read, the only person(including Kensei) who is not explicitly stated to survive it is Parkman soooo...
my thoughts on who dies....
Niki and Sylar/Matt(depending on whether or not we can consider Sylar a "hero".

Also....on the phone number thing...*OH SNAP!* Mohinder probably gave it to him last season when they were bestbuddies and he just hasn't gotten a new number yet., So that "plot hole" is resolved. End of discussion!:p

nekoi
November 27th, 2007, 03:08 AM
I'm really hoping the fallen heroes will be Maya and Molly-- two pointless characters that have run their course and need to either get lost or stop being written so poorly.

If Hiro dies, I'm probably going to quit watching. His storyline has been the only one for me that has stayed consistantly interesting this season.

Peter's becoming an obnoxious immortal who, with every new episode is resembling Keanu Reeves more and more ("I can do everything with bad emotion acting".). The attention has been given to the wrong Petrelli, in my opinion. :(

Good episode, but still feels rushed. It makes me sad that they're stopping once the story's actually going somewhere.

tombombadil
November 27th, 2007, 03:24 AM
maya and nickie, if it's hiro or peter i will be pissed, and if clair's blood revives one of the fallen heroes i will be pissed

knowles2
November 27th, 2007, 06:26 AM
Well personally if one of the two have to die, hiro or peter I say peter gotta take the bullet and die. I just think he to gullieble and to stupid to survive much longer even kensie or hiro will kill him by the end of next episode. Plus I love when writers kill of people favorite characters, I would not care if they kill of hiro at the same time either.

Hopefully claire will follow through with her threat and the world will know the big secrete next season presuming the writers do not leave their picket line or if they decide they have had enough fun making videos on youtube and start writing again.

But I would also like suresh to be killed, well it about time bob shows his real colours.

now to actually talk about this episode.

I thought it was pretty good set up episode, where everything is now coming into place.

And a couple set up for next series or next part of season.

syler is so not a hero, is killed by the mexicon women, I mean he's just asking for it.

I love the way syler just stab her bothered to death.

I also like clare punching through the glass.

Suresh saving bennet, you could just tell he was so grateful.

but it does seem like adam Monroe was no where near influental at seem in the company.

and it looked like bob daughter is starting to be a very interesting character indeed, I bet she the one who will be putting the knife into the back of bob back.

Klenotka
November 27th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Is it me or did Peter lose with his memory the brain somewhere? He is acting like an idiot.
I think they should focus on Nathan more in second half of S2...or in S3. :( Peter is acting weird and I am not sure if the authors did it on purpose. I donīt think they know what to do with him this year.

JayShadow
November 27th, 2007, 07:54 AM
Does anyone know who played the young Victoria Pratt?

I thought it was Jaime Ray Newman (Lt. Cadman from SGA) but I'm not sure. Any ideas?

It was. Good eye because I didn't notice the first time :)

ShadowMaat
November 27th, 2007, 08:09 AM
Many of the characters are acting particularly stupid this season. Hopefully they'll grow brains for next year because it's really pissing me off to the point where I don't know how much longer I can keep watching. Peter and Mohinder both deserve to die for their particular brands of idiocy, which is probably why they'll both survive. *sigh*

Peter is a sheep, he always has to be following someone else's lead. I liked him better when he was baaing after his brother- at least that made sense and it worked to help bring his brother around to the right side, but this mindless loyalty to Adam despite the evidence to the contrary is aggravating.

I was willing to wait and see how the Maya & Alejandro story developed, but now I've decided their whole story is pointless. Render the brother moot and then kill him? It's pathetic. Sylar says he's going to kill the brother and he does. Whoop de doo. WTF was Alejandro thinking, anyway, confronting someone he knows to be a killer all by himself and unarmed? More stupidity- and being a "rustic" from the Dominican Republic isn't a viable excuse.

Elle must have fried most of her brain cells when HRG had her dipped in water because that whole scrambling to get the car started shtick was pathetic. She's supposed to be ruthless and crazy and dangerous, not the comic relief. Fumbling with the keys was bad enough, but dropping her drink in her lap? And what was she doing so close to the family anyway? Is she that much of a rookie that she can make a mistake like that?

I also object to the ostentatious tipping of the hand last week by revealing that HRG was still alive. It made the family scenes and particularly this ep's confrontation with Bob seem a little silly. I think it would have been MUCH more effective to leave everyone thinking he was genuinely dead and THEN show his "resurrection" this week. As it was, the scene of his shattered face healing itself- something which should have been powerful and shocking- seem a bit redundant; we already saw him wake up last week and we didn't really need to see it again. Bad call on the director's part.

Also, am I remembering it wrong or when they were showing us his shattered face did they flash to the paining showing the same thing? Lame call if it happened. I'm sick of having that picture shoved down our throats at every opportunity (no matter how forced). It lost its shock value after the first time or two and with his resurrection it's a bit dumb to keep flashing it at us. Yeah, yeah, pictures don't always tell the full story: we KNOW that, the only idiots around here are the characters in the show, not the people in the audience.

I can't shake the feeling that I've been pretty much ripped off this season in terms of story and character development. I know the season has been cut short, but even so it's taken far too long to get where we are and it's come at the expense of character integrity, which is a high price to pay for such a mediocre payoff and Kring's apologies don't really count for much in my book. Saying you're sorry doesn't change the fact that you still screwed up and if/when the show comes back, that will show us how much the apology means. Will he really change his act or will we get stuck with more of the same old crud? And given that half the characters seem to have been lobotomized, is it even possible to recover from that? So far I remain unconvinced of the show's salvagability, but I guess only time will tell.

Phenix
November 27th, 2007, 08:10 AM
Is it me or did Peter lose with his memory the brain somewhere? He is acting like an idiot.
I think they should focus on Nathan more in second half of S2...or in S3. :( Peter is acting weird and I am not sure if the authors did it on purpose. I donīt think they know what to do with him this year.

The writers this season were terrible. I don't know if they hired a new set for season 2 but they did a piss poor job writing for nearly every character. Even the Pratt lady was written badly. You'd think she would want to tell Peter more about the virus. You know, he is with a madman.

Hypochondriac
November 27th, 2007, 08:20 AM
It was an ok episode, To many people acting like idiots I was considering making a post last week saying that Adam is an environmental wacko, and to him saving the world is getting rid of the human population.

Hiro can teleport behind peter and stab him that way. Peter is an idiot, As soon as Adam was accused I would have read his mind. They could even fit it in the plot by having adam think in another language. He already knows japanese, in 400 years your bound to learn a few others.

Hiro is also another idiot in this episode, how about explaining that your saving the world again. A poorly written episode. What the hell were the writers smoking?

Plot hole?? punching through glass, Would it really cutup your hand? In movies they show it all the time, but it's supposed to be safety glass which doesn't have sharp edges.

TDgamer
November 27th, 2007, 08:53 AM
Also, am I remembering it wrong or when they were showing us his shattered face did they flash to the paining showing the same thing? Lame call if it happened. I'm sick of having that picture shoved down our throats at every opportunity (no matter how forced). It lost its shock value after the first time or two and with his resurrection it's a bit dumb to keep flashing it at us. Yeah, yeah, pictures don't always tell the full story: we KNOW that, the only idiots around here are the characters in the show, not the people in the audience.


I think they did, just as they did when Mohinder was pointing the gun

Gala
November 27th, 2007, 09:09 AM
Is there really any proof that taking your head off ends it for you? Thats saying Adam survived 400 years without getting his head knocked off AND the company didn't even try it.

I think that may have just been made up to get his chance to kill that woman, I'm not sure, I guess we'll find out soon though, maybe they do cut his head off and he grows another body, if they all think it kills him then they probably haven't tried it yet :D

As for Hiro not asking, the guy killed his dad.


Also btw, I don't think Hiro was there to save the world, he didn't know that Adam was there to release the stuff again I don't think, he just wanted revenge.

Xicer
November 27th, 2007, 09:29 AM
Niki and Sylar/Matt(depending on whether or not we can consider Sylar a "hero".

I don't think its Sylar, the preview said "a villian will rise" or something like that and showed Sylar, so I think he'll stick around for a while.

P-90_177
November 27th, 2007, 11:18 AM
i'm really looking forward to the next ep. my three favorite characters this season meeting up in one place to duke it out (adam hiro and peter) it should be pretty awesome............and yes i agree that peter is a idiot for blindly following adam.

ShadowMaat
November 27th, 2007, 11:38 AM
Is there really any proof that taking your head off ends it for you? Thats saying Adam survived 400 years without getting his head knocked off AND the company didn't even try it.
Well, Claire stayed dead when that branch was sticking into her brain... but she recovered when it was pulled out. However, if it had cut entirely through her head that might have been a different story. Even lizards can't regrow their heads. ;) I do agree about the questionability of the Company not trying decapitation on Adam, but it could be that they didn't want to kill him. Or not permanently anyway.

I do wonder why they haven't spent the past thirty years or so working with his blood, though, if it's such a fix-all.


Also btw, I don't think Hiro was there to save the world, he didn't know that Adam was there to release the stuff again I don't think, he just wanted revenge.
Scenario: You've just been to the past where you saw your father's killer trying to release a deadly virus. You jump to the present location of the deadly virus where you see said killer in the company of a friend. Do you:

A) Warn your friend about the man and mention the narrowly-averted viral outbreak you just witnessed?
B) Jump back in time to a point prior to your friend's arrival with the killer so you can destroy the virus before anything happens?
C) Go all Inigo Montoya and attempt to fight your way past your friend in order to kill a man you know is basically immortal?

Time is stopped. It isn't as if Hiro doesn't have the time to explain the full details of what he knows about Adam. Heck, he could probably take Peter back in time and show him what he saw at the lab or even go back through all his father's files about him. But no, Hiro decides to be stupid instead, yells something about his dead father and proceeds to attack Peter with a sword. Well, he's at least running toward him with a sword. And Peter, in his blind, stupid sheepy faith, is still willing to protect Adam even after hearing Hiro's claim of murder.

A lot could change in the opening minutes of next week's ep (or whenever they decide to go back to that story). I sincerely hope that one or both of them manage to find their brains in time to salvage the situation, but given this season's trend of stupidity, I'm not going to hold my breath.

tombombadil
November 27th, 2007, 12:30 PM
i think i know how Hiro will dodge the lightning from peter! keep in mind this is all speculation not actual spoilers.
Just before Peter shoots it (throws it?) Hiro teleports behind him and grabs a hold of peters neck. in the commercials for the past few weeks they have been showing Hiro with The Sword to Peter's neck. Peter will probably attempt to teleport himself but will fail because he can't fully control the powers he obtained from Hiro, we know this because he can't teleport back to the future. They'll probably explain their stories to each other at some point. I think Peter will win the fight but choose to spare Hiro. Adam probably won't kill Hiro either because he said he wants to make Hiro suffer(assuming he remembers Hiro after 400 years).
My theory for Sylar and Maya is as followed. Mohinder will come running to save Molly from Sylar. Sylar will explain how he lost his abilities and will force Mohinder to help him in exchange for Molly's life. Mohinder will probably give antidote to the virus (which contains Clair's blood) to him to save Molly. While this is happening Maya realizes that Sylar is a bad person after all and runs off, Sylar goes after Maya after regaining his powers from Clair's blood in the antidote. He kills Maya and gains her stupid emo tear power. Mohinder and molly flee to find Parkman, but without the antidote they have no cure for Nicky.

Thermonuclearboy
November 27th, 2007, 01:48 PM
[pathetic nerd]
Nng! Hiro vs Peter! It's like when Batman fought Captain America! Nng!
[/pathetic nerd]

In all seriousness, I really hope they compensate for last season with some kind of complete and utter knock-down drag-out superhero brawl. If this just ends with Mohinder coming in and stopping all this nonsense I'm going to be quite annoyed...

Ace
November 27th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Does anyone know who played the young Victoria Pratt?

Here's her picture on the website
Victoria Pratt (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/photos/scet/1416/NUP_110815_1107.jpg)

I thought it was Jaime Ray Newman (Lt. Cadman from SGA) but I'm not sure. Any ideas?

I thought the exact same thing... but I can't find any site that credits her for the role. I'm sitting watching the episode thinking that's Cadman but didn't see her name after the episode or on IMDB. But I knew it had to be her

Ace

Darren
November 27th, 2007, 09:18 PM
They won't kill Hiro -- he's too identified as the face of the show. They won't kill Peter -- he's too versatile a character. I doubt they'll kill Maya -- she's the new Season Two toy. They won't kill Sylar -- Zachary Quinto was supposed to go away for a few months while filming Star Trek and then come back. And they definitely won't kill Molly. Murdering innocent, young children doesn't do good things to your show's image, unless you are a gritty detective show.

I hate to say it, but from a writer's perspective Nathan's story is looking pretty stagnant to me right now. And Niki's is moving at a turtle's pace.

Elle ... poor Kristen Bell really should have taken the Lost job instead!

SierraGulf1
November 27th, 2007, 09:18 PM
Really, I still love the show, but the only characters that haven't been acting stupid lately are Noah, Ando, Nathan, Parkman, Adam, and Sylar. And to be honest, Adam and Sylar don't really need to be cunning to outsmart their opposition: Peter and Maya.

Noah has to put up with Mohinder's idiocy, Hiro was alright until he charged Peter and I think he should listen to Ando when he says slow down. I don't like how Hiro's disregarding Ando this season. They made James Kyson Lee a regular so Hiro could pop up and say "what's up" to him now and again? Nathan needs to come in and slap Peter upside the face, and we need some more Parkman/Nathan duo action. I really hope neither of them bite it, but I have a feeling one will (not sure which, if it has to be one of them I prefer keeping Nathan around over Parkman).

At least Alejandro's dead, raising the average IQ of the cast of characters a slight bit.

Night Marshal
November 27th, 2007, 10:15 PM
Blah set up. talk about wasting the momentum of the show before it. I know this is most likely needed for the next ep but the pacing was very much lacking.

Also the maya skyler storyline still isn't doing much for me and I don't think i'm alone in that.

jenks
November 27th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Does anyone know who played the young Victoria Pratt?

Here's her picture on the website
Victoria Pratt (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/images/photos/scet/1416/NUP_110815_1107.jpg)

I thought it was Jaime Ray Newman (Lt. Cadman from SGA) but I'm not sure. Any ideas?

I thought that too.

Klenotka
November 28th, 2007, 12:19 AM
Really, I still love the show, but the only characters that haven't been acting stupid lately are Noah, Ando, Nathan, Parkman, Adam, and Sylar. And to be honest, Adam and Sylar don't really need to be cunning to outsmart their opposition: Peter and Maya.

Noah has to put up with Mohinder's idiocy, Hiro was alright until he charged Peter and I think he should listen to Ando when he says slow down. I don't like how Hiro's disregarding Ando this season. They made James Kyson Lee a regular so Hiro could pop up and say "what's up" to him now and again? Nathan needs to come in and slap Peter upside the face, and we need some more Parkman/Nathan duo action. I really hope neither of them bite it, but I have a feeling one will (not sure which, if it has to be one of them I prefer keeping Nathan around over Parkman).

At least Alejandro's dead, raising the average IQ of the cast of characters a slight bit.

I agree 100%. It is almost sin how they got rid of Nathan/Matt story when they both became so interesting in the beginning. But they prefered to let babble West annoying fly boy romantic nonsenses to Claire and kept Peter without memory and brain. Focusing on Maya yelling "Alejandroooo!" constantly, and then let him die.

I don't think the one dying is Nathan. Adrian Pasdar said that Nathan should develop some relationship with Claire in Volume 3. So I hope they didn't change it. And I also read that the hero who died wasn't too well recieved in S2. So my guess is Nikki or Maya.
And I hope Matt stays, too. Him, Nathan and Noah seem as the only one who go behind some goals, ask questions and solve something.

Wyrminarrd
November 28th, 2007, 01:26 AM
My tips for who dies would be Maya and Michas cousin (forgott her name :o)

Neither of these characters has managed to become popular and quite frankly their stories arent interesting at all.

As for this weeks episode I really liked it, things are finally in motion. Iīll admit that Peter is acting stupidly but then again the woman just shot Adam without warning (and Peter as well) and was the one who developed the virus so itīs understandable that Peter could believe her to be a bad person. I personally think that Peter wanted to hear Hiro out but Hiro didnīt even try to explain anything, just rushed forward so naturally Peter is going to defend Adam until he knows the truth (instead of maybe just suspecting it).

Syler continues to stay in character, I really hope he will kill Maya in the next episode. Mohinder would have to be a bloody moron to actually heal Syler, it would make a lot more sense to inject him with a poison rather then the cure.

P-90_177
November 28th, 2007, 01:41 AM
My tips for who dies would be Maya and Michas cousin (forgott her name :o)

Neither of these characters has managed to become popular and quite frankly their stories arent interesting at all.

As for this weeks episode I really liked it, things are finally in motion. Iīll admit that Peter is acting stupidly but then again the woman just shot Adam without warning (and Peter as well) and was the one who developed the virus so itīs understandable that Peter could believe her to be a bad person. I personally think that Peter wanted to hear Hiro out but Hiro didnīt even try to explain anything, just rushed forward so naturally Peter is going to defend Adam until he knows the truth (instead of maybe just suspecting it).

Syler continues to stay in character, I really hope he will kill Maya in the next episode. Mohinder would have to be a bloody moron to actually heal Syler, it would make a lot more sense to inject him with a poison rather then the cure.

i dunno i think maya may become more interesting now. I think sylar is leading her down a pretty dark path. I'm not sure he'll succeed in taking her power.

ShadowMaat
November 28th, 2007, 06:31 AM
I hate to say it, but from a writer's perspective Nathan's story is looking pretty stagnant to me right now. And Niki's is moving at a turtle's pace.
Sad, but true. If I'd known all they were going to do was waste his character for the entire season then maybe I wouldn't have been as upset at the prospect of him getting killed off in the S1 finale. But to have him survive just for this? Maybe it's the very fact that they haven't turned him into an idiot that's the biggest sign of his impending doom. ;)

I don't think it would be a loss to kill off Maya's character because her story has been pretty pointless and disconnected so far. The "killing everyone when I panic/get angry" thing could be a cool power in terms of seeing a "nice guy" character try to come to grips with an ability that's basically evil and can't be used for good purposes. Instead we get Maya, who gets all weepy and panicky over it... in nearly every episode. :rolleyes: It's an understandable reaction- to a point, but we passed that point weeks ago. Will she start to become interesting now that she's in Sylar's grip? Maybe, but I still think it's too late and the fact that she is in his grip makes the whole thing unpalatable to me. Probably because of her blind devotion to someone who's inherently evil- she and Peter have a lot in common. I can't stand willfully stupid characters, which is why I've had so much trouble with this season: so many of them are acting stupid. *sigh* I hope it stops next season.

St. Joan would be a bold choice, but I think she's still enough of a kid to be safe, plus they only introduced her this season and unlike Maya she's actually coming to terms with her power and finding uses for it.

Frankly, I'm not sure how much I really care about who does or doesn't die. With the way the show has been going, killing someone off would almost be a mercy: at least it'd prevent the writers from (further) decimating the character.

Xicer
November 28th, 2007, 08:21 AM
I actually don't think Nikki is gonna bite it. There still seems be a few things the writer's want to do with her, for example: the Gina personality, we haven't seen a whole lot of her. I don't think it'll be Maya either unfortunately. Ironically those are the two I would like to see go. I have nothing against the Nikki character or Ali Larter, she's a great actor, its just that Nikki's story doesn't really seem to be going anywhere interesting. And as for Maya, well, that's pretty self-explanatory...

MarshAngel
November 28th, 2007, 08:59 AM
I think it's going to be Niki who dies, all her ties have been neatly wrapped up. She claims her alternates are gone. Her husband is dead and her son has found a new maternal substitute more in line with his thinking. The man who plotted her life with D.L. is dead...she no longer has any connections to anyone.

I don't think Maya's going to die, unfortunately, and I'm really concerned it will be Nathan...though what the hell's the point of saving his life only to ignore him and kill him off. As much as I love him...that has no impact at all.

The only other candidates I can think of are Bob, Adam and Angela. They are all that remains of the original company but I can't see them wiping out the company all together so Bob may survive this one. Which leaves Adam and Angela... I don't think they'll kill Adam, he has too much potential. Angela however...is a possibility but Nathan still ranks higher on the easy to kill list.

Klenotka
November 28th, 2007, 10:03 AM
Seriously, if they kill off Nathan, I quit watching. I hate to admit it but when I am watching new episodes every week, I canīt wait to see Nathan. And so far...nothing. :( Itīs bad, bad and bad. He had so big potential from the beginning. His way to find a redemption, his change, all of that. His and Mattīs stories were the brightest in the beginning of the season. I donīt know whay they brought new characters when they are not interesting at all. Even Elle, who seemed to be main attraction. I donīt want Heroes to become second Lost, where they introduced tons of characters but barely two or three stayed interesting.
But as I wrote above, Adrian Pasdar said in one interview that he should develop a relationship with Claire in second half of S2 Whatever is second half of S2 or the S3, I think this might be intersting. And I donīt think they would kill any of Petrellis and I mean all, Peter, Nathan, Angela or Claire. They are kind of the main plot there. IMO.
Even that Peter became annoying that I want to see him die (or find his brain :D) and they forget about Nathan.

ooops, sorry for this OT but I think I just tried to react to previous posts ;)

Iguana775
November 28th, 2007, 11:34 AM
Like the episode but I hate the train wreck that is the Silar storyline. I really hope someone finally offs him.

MarshAngel
November 28th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Like the episode but I hate the train wreck that is the Silar storyline. I really hope someone finally offs him.

Sylar wears on me but only because of Maya. She is such a nitwit. She really awakens my violent side because I really really want to hit her. I would actually cheer if Sylar ate her brains.

tombombadil
November 28th, 2007, 01:50 PM
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Elle ... poor Kristen Bell really should have taken the Lost job instead!

lost job?? was she offered a role in lost

Phenix
November 28th, 2007, 04:20 PM
Plot hole?? punching through glass, Would it really cutup your hand? In movies they show it all the time, but it's supposed to be safety glass which doesn't have sharp edges.

Have you ever punched safety glass? Its not made to break easily either. Claire doesn't have the ability or power to punch through that glass. It would have just been better if Elle shot her w/ lightning and Claire healed. At least I would have liked that more.

O and the more I think about the happier I am about this writers strike. At least Heroes can get an entire rewrite for volume 3.

jds1982
November 28th, 2007, 09:13 PM
And I also read that the hero who died wasn't too well recieved in S2. So my guess is Nikki or Maya.
And I hope Matt stays, too. Him, Nathan and Noah seem as the only one who go behind some goals, ask questions and solve something.

West anyone?

Also maybe the solution for Peter is to find a hero whose power is superintelligence, and have him stand near that hero.

Darren
November 28th, 2007, 09:56 PM
lost job?? was she offered a role in lost
Yep. She apparently didn't want to go to Hawaii and be on one of the best dramas in television history. She decided to stay in California and be closer to her friends instead, IIRC.

Iguana775
November 29th, 2007, 11:32 AM
Sylar wears on me but only because of Maya. She is such a nitwit. She really awakens my violent side because I really really want to hit her. I would actually cheer if Sylar ate her brains.

maybe that's why that story line bugs me so much.

Iguana775
November 29th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Have you ever punched safety glass? Its not made to break easily either. Claire doesn't have the ability or power to punch through that glass. It would have just been better if Elle shot her w/ lightning and Claire healed. At least I would have liked that more.

O and the more I think about the happier I am about this writers strike. At least Heroes can get an entire rewrite for volume 3.

And if she had the strength to break it, it would indeed cut her hands. it is still glass afterall. hell, even sharp plastic will cut you.

Hypochondriac
November 29th, 2007, 12:23 PM
And if she had the strength to break it, it would indeed cut her hands. it is still glass afterall. hell, even sharp plastic will cut you.

IIRC safety glass isn't sharp at all. That's why I was wondering about that. It's about 10x stronger then regular glass. So would hurt like hell, but I doubt it would make you bleed. I tried google but couldn't find an answer


I betting Bob dies, he seems evilish to me. I have a feeling he's working with Adam

Phenix
November 29th, 2007, 12:35 PM
And if she had the strength to break it, it would indeed cut her hands. it is still glass afterall. hell, even sharp plastic will cut you.

I break thin wood in my TKD classes and I am more likely to break my hand then break more than 3 boards at a time. Safety glass would break my hand before I broke through a closed window. Its just not easy to break.

And I'm also 6'4" 230 and have a knock out right hand. It takes years to develop the necessary strength in your hand to break something as strong as safety glass. It would be akin to her walking up to a cinder block and breaking it. She'd just break her hand.

And honestly she wouldn't have had it go into her hand like that anyway. Safety glass doesn't break into sharp edges. That is why its used in cars. If someone goes through the window they won't get all cut up by the glass.

Phenix
November 29th, 2007, 12:44 PM
I saw this again last night on MOJO. Its on Comcast and it reruns the episodes every Weds and Thursday. This is the first time I was able to catch it on a Weds and I couldn't watch the entire episode. I have nothing wrong with the acting. I think they all do a really good job protraying their characters but these writers are horrendous.

This episode really only works if everyone on there turned into an idiot. It also shows a major weakness in the Heroes concept. Kring and his people are writing solely on an emotional response. There is no plot development at all so if a scene is not shocking then its a wash. In order to create the shocking moment they have to condense a major plot point to a few sentences. It works for the casual viewer but it kills the scene or arc if anyone thinks about it or worse talks about the plot with a friend.

ShadowMaat
November 29th, 2007, 12:57 PM
I agree about the difficulty of trying to break safety glass with only your fist. Heck, a cop had to smash the window of my sister's car when she locked her keys in it and his billy club bounced off it. They had to borrow a hatchet to break it and it still took a couple of tries.

However, as for safety glass not being sharp enough to cut, that may be true, but unless she has very tough knuckles just the act of smashing into something with your fist would probably split the skin, and the tougher it is the more likely it is to split.

Lord Iceman
December 1st, 2007, 02:16 PM
I agree about the difficulty of trying to break safety glass with only your fist. Heck, a cop had to smash the window of my sister's car when she locked her keys in it and his billy club bounced off it. They had to borrow a hatchet to break it and it still took a couple of tries.



Maybe super strength is part of Claire's abilities that she doesn't know about yet. Like Matt's mind control over just reading minds.

I have a feeling that some of the heroes (that don't dies) will have their powers increase significantly and maybe expand.

Anywho, If your body can regenerate, I don't thinks its much of a stretch to be a little stronger as well.

jds1982
December 1st, 2007, 03:02 PM
I agree about the difficulty of trying to break safety glass with only your fist. Heck, a cop had to smash the window of my sister's car when she locked her keys in it and his billy club bounced off it. They had to borrow a hatchet to break it and it still took a couple of tries.


Well that seems wasteful, why didn't he use a slim jim, or call a locksmith?

ShadowMaat
December 1st, 2007, 05:59 PM
Well that seems wasteful, why didn't he use a slim jim, or call a locksmith?

Slimjim didn't work. Believe me, the breaking was a last resort, but there was also the issue of her being on a ferry at the time, so it was either get the car off NOW or she was heading back to the other side.

flameling
December 2nd, 2007, 06:31 PM
Good episode. Wouldn't be surprisd if sylar took mayas plague ability. A little too short though. If elle has control over electromagnetism, couln't she possibly hover ilently and possibly stop bullets in mid air?

Matt G
July 20th, 2008, 03:05 PM
1. To be fair to Peter, Victoria was acting like the more dangerous individual here, though yeah he could have read Adam's mind.

2. How in the hell did Sylar pull that stunt off without having killed Alejandro previously?

3. Mohinder gets the moron of the week award!

4. Where Claire's plotline is going I'm not sure.

5. No good can go down in New Orleans.

Interesting ep!

SgaIsBad
September 5th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Sylar getting old fast

Devid
September 17th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Hiro is a great show............
I like the Hero in this show.The acting of Many characters are stupid in this season.........

garhkal
December 1st, 2015, 12:18 AM
Good episode, though the Maya/Siler/Alejandro storyline is beyond predictable. Like evil Claire. Who wants to guess on who the two fallen heroes will be?

Niki and Alejandro.. BOTH i would love to be dead by the end of this season!
Niki cause i can't stand that she went back to the SAME company who was controlling her (via linderman). And Alejandro, cause he just seems to stupid.


I thought that was a great episode. There were a few things that irritated me to no end. Peter is really gullible-to the point that I believe if someone asked him for his social security number, credit card number, date of birth, and used the phrase 'its to save the world' he would give it up in a heart beat. Why would he not use telepathy on Adam to find his intent after Victoria goes to that much trouble to kill Adam and label Peter so quickly for being around Adam?

It seems Peter's powers are not fully controllable by him. Some just seem to kick in on their own (such as when he shunted into the future), while others seem to kick in under duress. So maybe he couldn't read Andy's mind.


I understand that the plot must move on, but the dialogoe between Hiro and Peter was way too short-it can be summed like this: Peter: "OMG Hiro waz up!?" Hiro: "Not much, came to kill that blonde dude behind you for killing my father-" Peter: "Nu uh, I'm PRO-tecting him" Hiro: "Well instead of explaining why he's a bad dude, I'm going give a huge scream and run into you with a sword". Peter doesn't yell 'wait' or 'stop', suspend him in air with telekinesis, or even attempt to understand more about why his old friend would just go into kill mode without explaining himself more! Peter just puts up the lightning hand for epic win...

Agreed. That fight was lame.. AND i was dumbfounded that Hiro wouldn't even try to explain himself (or peter)..



One last thing: Sylar knows where Suresh lives because its the same apartment as last season when he invaded it and the same apartment that Mohinder's father lived in. Sylar + phonebook = No

Yea, that was Majorly dumb!



Peter's becoming an obnoxious immortal who, with every new episode is resembling Keanu Reeves more and more ("I can do everything with bad emotion acting".). The attention has been given to the wrong Petrelli, in my opinion. :(

One thing i DO wonder though.. It seems his lip 'droops' to one side when he speaks.. Does he have some sort of disformity/nerve issue causing it??



Hopefully claire will follow through with her threat and the world will know the big secrete next season presuming the writers do not leave their picket line or if they decide they have had enough fun making videos on youtube and start writing again.

I too would LOVE it if / when they do the big reveal.