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GateWorld
November 12th, 2007, 07:08 PM
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Bob sends Mohinder and Elle on a mission to capture Claire and take out her father -- but Mr. Bennet isn't going down without a fight. Matt begins to explore the true extent of his ability, and Hiro goes back in time to try and save his father.

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ToasterOnFire
November 19th, 2007, 07:06 PM
Heh, the last 5-10 minutes can be summed up as:

"OMG, NOOOOO!"

"OMG, YAAAAAY!"

:D ;)

Lady Snow
November 19th, 2007, 07:12 PM
That's too true.

And it was a bit obvious, no? (Seriously, I was screaming at my TV "Use Claire's blood! Why aren't you doing that yet?!")

Matt = win, always.

And Hiro's interaction with his father pretty much redeemed Hiro this season. It was just beautifully acted and played - at least a heck of a lot more than anything up to this point.

ShadowMaat
November 19th, 2007, 07:15 PM
YESSS! I SO CALLED THAT! The Hooded Man in Kensei! Eat my prognosticative dust! :P

Didn't see the twist with HRG coming, though. Wow.

Liked Hiro's stuff, although interacting with your former self is usually very dangerous.

Not sure about Matt. He seems to be going a bit darkside, for all that he's obviously convincing himself he's being altruistic. Ditto Mohinder, although he seems to be wresting with the issue a bit more heavily. Poor Molly. This doesn't bode well for her that BOTH her guardians are dipping into dodgy territory.

Laughed my ass off at the use of Mr Muggles's doggy bath. LOL! Novel way to stop Lightning Girl, though. And it makes me wonder what she was like before her father started messing with her. Still not keen on the character, but at least this makes her more interesting.

Speaking of not keen... I still don't like or trust West. He did some good in this ep, but after however many weeks of watching him be creepy, I just can't shake the bad impression I have of him.

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Heh, the last 5-10 minutes can be summed up as:

"OMG, NOOOOO!"

"OMG, YAAAAAY!"

:D ;)

LOL yea, I was not expecting that last scene. I was mad that they killed off one of my favorite characters.

I like this episode. Claire and West finally made some sense even if it was a bit drawn out.

I am not a fan of Hiro this season but this was a very good episode for him. I loved his face when he saw Adam/Kenzei killing his father. Of course we know that its not a 346 year old grudge but Hiro will most likely be under that impression.

The Parkman story was fun but entirely unnecessary. The only person who could hurt Molly was his father so he really had no need to show off his powers. Molly could have found the lady he was looking but "we" needed to know the extent of his powers. I'd like to know what Mrs Petrelli can do. It is a mind based power.

Suresh has become a misguided idiot. I hope they show him fall into a deep depression which leads him to leave the company.

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 07:29 PM
YESSS! I SO CALLED THAT! The Hooded Man in Kensei! Eat my prognosticative dust! :P

Don't be too proud of yourself. Most people already knew that Kensei was immortal and the big bad this season. I along with other people called it before the season even started. Or maybe it was just after the first episode. I forget but it wasn't too hard to figure out.

West isn't so bad. Someone pointed out that he is a TEENAGER and teenage guys are bit creepy when it comes to a girl they like. I know I was a bit stalker-ish with my girlfriend in high school. She was worse than me though. She practically ran the length of the school to see me between classes. I had no idea that she did this until we were dating for about a 6 months.

the fifth man
November 19th, 2007, 07:29 PM
This episode was really amazing IMO. When Bennet got shot, I could barely believe it. I haven't been shocked in quite a while by something of TV. That shocked me. The ending though totally made me feel better. Killing him off would have been such a bad idea. As for Mohinder, he has definitely gone down a very dark road.

I'll tell you this, I can't wait to see the showdown between Hiro and Adam/Kensei. That is going to be epic.

ShadowMaat
November 19th, 2007, 07:30 PM
I loved his face when he saw Adam/Kenzei killing his father. Of course we know that its not a 346 year old grudge but Hiro will most likely be under that impression.
We do? How so?


Don't be too proud of yourself. Most people already knew that Kensei was immortal and the big bad this season. I alone with other people called it before the season even started. Or maybe it was just after the first episode. I forget but it wasn't too hard to figure out.
I'll be proud if I want to, thank you. Yes, it did seem obvious to me, but a couple of people provided some good arguments for other characters and hey, even when it's obvious it's still nice to be right. ;)


West isn't so bad.
Says you.


Someone pointed out that he is a TEENAGER and teenage guys are bit creepy when it comes to a girl they like.
Oh, I see. So because it's normal I have no right to dislike him for it? Nope. I'm still gonna hate him and find him creepy. ;) And if it proves I have a reason for my suspicions, I'm gonna crow about being right. So neener neener. :P

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 07:36 PM
We do? How so?

Adam is getting revenge for his 30 year imprisonment. He has been out for 2 weeks. I doubt he had time to put together a family tree. I don't even remember if Hiro told Adam the exact year he left.

346 years is a long time to carry a grudge.

ShadowMaat
November 19th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Maybe, maybe not. Could be he has a double reason for taking out Nakamura, especially if he ever mentioned his son Hiro in Adam's presence.

Adam/Kensei made the threat to Hiro knowing full well that Hiro was from the distant future. I don't think it's entirely outside the realm of possibility that he could still be nursing a grudge, but I guess the next two eps might pan out something on that front. *shrug* Maybe you're right, but I'm still gonna have fun with the grudge.

the fifth man
November 19th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Adam is getting revenge for his 30 year imprisonment. He has been out for 2 weeks. I doubt he had time to put together a family tree. I don't even remember if Hiro told Adam the exact year he left.

346 years is a long time to carry a grudge.

Even if that is true, seeing Hiro again will most likely rekindle some of that old hatred. I can't wait until they meet face to face.

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 07:42 PM
Oh, I see. So because it's normal I have no right to dislike him for it? Nope. I'm still gonna hate him and find him creepy. ;) And if it proves I have a reason for my suspicions, I'm gonna crow about being right. So neener neener. :P

You have every right to hate him. I just said he isn't so bad. I also edited my last post. I meant to say 'along' but I wrote 'alone'. A lot of us figured it was Kenzei. I was never really convinced by any opposing argument. Some people just like to be on the other side of an argument.

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Even if that is true, seeing Hiro again will most likely rekindle some of that old hatred. I can't wait until they meet face to face.

I do not doubt that Adam will be happy to know that it was Hiro's father. But the hole idea of Hiro as a warrior is laughable. Unless he stops time he'll get destroyed by Adam or Peter....

the fifth man
November 19th, 2007, 08:35 PM
I do not doubt that Adam will be happy to know that it was Hiro's father. But the hole idea of Hiro as a warrior is laughable. Unless he stops time he'll get destroyed by Adam or Peter....

Greatness has to start somewhere. Besides, he already won a tussle with Adam/Kensei before. Yeah, it was a long time ago. But, Hiro has a strong desire to avenge his father. This will be the birth of him as a true hero IMO.

Phenix
November 19th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Greatness has to start somewhere. Besides, he already won a tussle with Adam/Kensei before. Yeah, it was a long time ago. But, Hiro has a strong desire to avenge his father. This will be the birth of him as a true hero IMO.

I think he is a hero already but the man is not a fighter. I hope that they do not show him beating Adam in a fight w/o the use of his powers. I thought it was pretty dishonest to have him beat an actual fighter after only receiving a few hours of lessons from his father. Unless his father's power was some sort of teaching method.

P-90_177
November 19th, 2007, 08:54 PM
out of all the characters i'd actually say that hiro is the closest thing to an actual hero other than peter. everyone else has too much of a moral grey area.

the fifth man
November 19th, 2007, 09:08 PM
out of all the characters i'd actually say that hiro is the closest thing to an actual hero other than peter. everyone else has too much of a moral grey area.

I'd have to agree with that. Except for some of the kids though. They want to do good too.

P-90_177
November 19th, 2007, 09:14 PM
yeah i guess mika and monica are the same......claire on the other hand just wants to live a normal life so she doesn't count.

LoneStar1836
November 19th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Heh, the last 5-10 minutes can be summed up as:

"OMG, NOOOOO!"

"OMG, YAAAAAY!"

:D ;)Ditto that!

I was about to be pissed that they were about to kill off one of my favorite characters. I figured once the deed was done, they weren't going to try some trick to bring him back just for the shock value of killing a major character.:mckay: Thankfully I was wrong and the writers made the right choice.

So sad for Hiro, but he did the right thing I suppose. :(

Great episode.

Dang it! Only two more episodes. :mckay:

Ruined_puzzle
November 19th, 2007, 09:44 PM
OMG I almost had heart attack. I love Papa Bennet and him dying was not allowed. So I flailed in the end when he was alive.

jds1982
November 19th, 2007, 09:55 PM
Was I alone in thinking the scene transitions were a bit odd, they just seemed to fly by?

nekoi
November 19th, 2007, 10:10 PM
Besides Kaito being almost invisible to everyone at the funeral, this episode was AWESOME!

Claire and Matt's stories are finally taking an interesting turn... while West is now being represented as a more sincere character, rather than that of a creepy stalker.

I'm so happy that Noah's still alive.

Franklyn Blaze
November 19th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Noah's ALIVE! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS



Oh Mohinder's gonnaaa get iiiiiiit! :sholva:

alaskannut
November 19th, 2007, 11:22 PM
YESSS! I SO CALLED THAT! The Hooded Man in Kensei! Eat my prognosticative dust! :P

.
Heck, I called that a long time ago...I think it was around ep 3...maybe 4:p

That said, I give tonight's ep of heroes a resounding 5/5> Good job guys...keep it up:D:D

tombombadil
November 20th, 2007, 03:27 AM
the very second Bennet got shot i realized he wouldn't stay dead and that they'd bring him back with clair's blood. my mom didn't believe me though and she was mad when i was right

wwlh
November 20th, 2007, 03:32 AM
I found it very interesting how they brought out the bad in good and vice versa:

Mohinder totally betraying Noah (HRG) - who knew he was such an amazing shot...if he ever gives up science I hear S.W.A.T. is looking for a few good men.

Matt - we know how much good Mother Petrelli's plea of "if you take this secret from me you'll be your father" did...as we now have a name for the mystery lady in the photograph.

Bob - takes the blood from Claire - seeming almost sad that "it's all going to end this way".....the same bag of blood we then see saving Noah's life


of course - I did think that blood was supposed to save Nikki/Jesica

Buddhawasanancient
November 20th, 2007, 05:19 AM
Best Heroes episode ever! Wait, strike that, best episode of television ever! I love Kaito saying "I've never time travelled before." and Hiro and Lil' Hiro's simultaneous glasses push. Also, as someone said earlier, Mohinder is on a verrry slippery slope. He needs to check himself. Maybe Sylar will knock some sense into him next week...lol. Noah gets shot in the eye! Woah. Noah's brought back to life! Yaaay! But by who? Elle to get back at her father? Mohinder to make up for his moment of weakness? Or Bob to show that he really HAS changed (or to use Noah as a trading chip)? and Victoria Pratt?!!?!? I can't wait to find out more about her. Nikki's mom possibly? We'll just have to wait and see. End the writer's strike, PLEASE!!! I need Volume Three this season!!!

ShadowMaat
November 20th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Heck, I called that a long time ago...I think it was around ep 3...maybe 4:p
*Sics Heron on Nutty* Don't spoil my moment of glory, pleb! :P Some predictions are easier than others, but it doesn't make 'em any less fun when they pan out.

Are they gonna wrap the virus storyline in the next two eps? It can't be as simple as using Claire's blood as a cure, that wouldn't be any fun at all.

SaberBlade
November 20th, 2007, 06:19 AM
This episode was amazing. It totally redeemed the show after the Claire/West teen angst drama and the overall pointless 1671 setting.

Mohinder slowly going to the dark side was great and the interaction with Hiro and his father was amazing. It was very touching to see see Hiro finally accept his fathers fate and how they came to terms with it.

Bennett however is an amazing character. Personally I think Jack Coleman definitely got the best role on this show and always exceeds expectations. His odd form of torture on Elle, his self sacrifice knowing that he'd be killed by sending Claire with West and his overall portrayal of a father out to do anything to protect his daughter is just brilliant. It was sad to see him die, but great to see him come back. Was expecting Claire to give her father some blood but when that didn't happen I was actually surprised to see him revived.

I must admit that I was suprised by West in this episode. I didn't like the fact he's still all angsty about his belief that Claire works with Bennett but he actually became useful in this episode and showed a lot of potential.

Wasn't surprised about Adam being the killer of Hiro's father but I do hope Adam has gotten what Hiro did and it's not reason for him killing Kaito. I'd hate to see a 300 year old grudge interfere with what would be a great revenge story that connects to the plot rather than just something Hiro did.

Ace
November 20th, 2007, 07:27 AM
This episode was pretty good... already knew that Kensei killed Hiro's father, knew that HRG was going to be shot by Mohinder. Everyone of Issac's paintings have come true. And I saw the use of Claire's blood as a way to bring him back when they did it to bring Nathan back.

Did anybody else laugh hysterically at the last scene when HRG sat up? It looked like the famous last scenes from Quantum Leap when he said "Ohhh...Boy!" HRG said it I'm positive...they must have cut out the "Boy!" part as to keep face.

I'm not sure why Hiro and his father decided that they couldn't change the past... they have done it before by not letting New York explode so why they thought they couldn't change something as little as single person's death is beyond me?

Fast forwarded through all the Claire and West scenes... if I want teenage angst I'll watch something on the CW. Could care less if West falls off the face of the Earth.

Loved the Parkman scenes...getting a sense of how maybe his father was corrupted. Perhaps he had good intentions like Matt in the beginning... Nice to see Parkman explore this facet of his powers. I foresee Molly pulling him back from ever going completely evil however

That about sums it up for me...can't wait till next weeks!

Ace

SaberBlade
November 20th, 2007, 07:59 AM
I thought Bennett was saying "oh crap" when he woke up.

As for Hiro and his father, it wasn't about changing the past but taking responsibility for ones actions and dealing with the repercussions. Kaito had did a lot of things in past, and that all lead up his death at Adam's hands so he wasn't going to run from his destiny.

At least that's how I saw it.

jds1982
November 20th, 2007, 08:09 AM
Matt - we know how much good Mother Petrelli's plea of "if you take this secret from me you'll be your father" did...as we now have a name for the mystery lady in the photograph.

I completely missed that.

MmmmMcKAy
November 20th, 2007, 09:29 AM
Really good episode. It really flew by. Most of the episdoes this season have dragged(especially any parts with the twins), but this one held my interest.

Thank God that Noah isn't dead. :) He's pretty much my favorite. Guess he's back with The Company now.;)

Yikes at Mohinder and Parkman.

Sweet scenes between Hiro and his father. At least Hiro got to say goodbye and his father got to tell Hiro that he's proud.

Thermonuclearboy
November 20th, 2007, 10:05 AM
I thought Bennett was saying "oh crap" when he woke up.

Whatever he said, the look on his face spoke much louder. He realized where he was. He was in that same Company bunker where he made all those other supers vanish to. He knew that he was in the place where no one could find him. He knew he was SCREWED.

Buddhawasanancient
November 20th, 2007, 10:24 AM
Did anybody else laugh hysterically at the last scene when HRG sat up? It looked like the famous last scenes from Quantum Leap when he said "Ohhh...Boy!" HRG said it I'm positive...they must have cut out the "Boy!" part as to keep face.

I'm not sure if it was "Oh Boy", "Oh Crap", or "Oh Sh#$" but it was definitely an homage to Claire on the autopsy table last season when she delivered the same exact line...

Hypochondriac
November 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM
Guess the company has HRG guy. I'm betting they will use Mohinder to convince him to turn over claire so they can cure the virus. Once he has the full story he shouldn't be so pissed with Mohinder.

Shouldn't a 9mm have done more damage then that?

Xicer
November 20th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Heh, the last 5-10 minutes can be summed up as:

"OMG, NOOOOO!"

"OMG, YAAAAAY!"

:D ;)

Tru Dat!

I can safely say that HRG is my new favorite character. The way he handled Elle, genius. He's really got passion for protecting his family, and it definitely showed in this episode. lol did that whole arrangement near the end remind anyone else of Man on Fire? HRG = Denzel Washington for sure. :p

When Mohinder shot HRG, I was ready to throw something at my T.V., I guess I was so shocked by what happened that I didn't even think of the whole thing with Claire's blood.

And speaking of Mohinder, I really don't like him this season, I hope shooting HRG causes him to rethink some of his past actions. I actually feel bad for him, he just keeps getting stepped on by other people.

As for Hiro, I really liked his story. A nice change from feudal Japan and while it was extremely obvious we finally got confirmation that Adam was the killer. I was almost hoping it wasn't Adam just for the sake of mixing things up a bit. But we are nearing the end of the volume so I guess its appropriate.

Matt following in his father's footsteps is a nice twist. I can definitely see this new ability changing his personality in the near future.

Overall, a great episode.

P.S. Now as far as West goes, while he wasn't as annoying in this episode as he was before, it still doesn't make up for the way he's manipulated Claire. I say manipulated because ever since Claire met West, her personality had really changed IMO (for the worst). And him being a teenager doesn't really justify him being a stalker. Being kidnapped as a kid, maybe, but not for simply being a teenager. Trust me, when it comes to girls, teenage boys can be creepy but there are very few who act this way, especially to the extent West went. This coming from a male teenager's perspective.

Darren
November 20th, 2007, 02:19 PM
Noah ... I thought they had actually killed him, even though he's clearly one of the writers' favorite characters. I held out hope that Claire might do a blood trick, but as soon as West wisked her away I thought Daddy was all done.

Could it be that Mohinder has revived him against the Company's wishes and knowledge? I wonder if the writers are faking us out with the "Mohinder goes Company Man and betrays HRG" development, and this was part of their plan all along in order to get Noah inside the Company walls for the final take-down.

"Victoria Pratt" ... why is that name familiar to me? Oh yeah, she's a genre actress (http://imdb.com/name/nm0695560/)!

West was more tolerable in this episode, or at least the second half of it when he was finally trusting a little bit and playing ball. His flying attack on Noah was also pretty cool. But in the first half, he was being a whiney baby and I wanted to smack him even harder than when he was being a creepy stalker. He's gone to such great lengths to get his tongue in Claire's mouth that his sudden intensity of mistrust (thinking she must be Daddy's spy) was hard to believe.

Overall, easily best episode of the season so far. There was too much slow build-up to get here, but now that we're finally getting here it's paying off nicely. This is the sort of "adrenaline" episode that Tim Kring referred to in his recent comments about Season Two and how fans have been receiving it.

Here's hoping the next (final) two are this good or better! It's probably the last Heroes we'll get until next fall.

ShadowMaat
November 20th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Victoria Pratt is also the name of one of my childhood friend's older sisters. Took me a while to figure out why the name seemed familiar. Spooky. :P Looks nothing like her, but then it's been a while and I didn't see her very often... *cues spooky music*

alaskannut
November 20th, 2007, 06:39 PM
*Sics Heron on Nutty* Don't spoil my moment of glory, pleb! :P Some predictions are easier than others, but it doesn't make 'em any less fun when they pan out.

Are they gonna wrap the virus storyline in the next two eps? It can't be as simple as using Claire's blood as a cure, that wouldn't be any fun at all.
From what I've seen in spoilers for 2x11...
No....just this part of the virus plot will be resolved, next is the outbreak and containment:eek:

ShadowMaat
November 20th, 2007, 06:58 PM
I know the hints have been saying that Claire's blood will provide the cure, but what if it doesn't? If Claire's blood became infected, wouldn't you have a virus that can't be cured? Every time you tried something new, the blood would "fix" itself.

Or am I wildly off base here? Can the virus NOT infect her blood because of that same self-fix mechanism?

eri-chan
November 21st, 2007, 05:15 AM
omg my favourite ep this season by far. it left me kinda shaking and not wanting to do anything afterwards. claire was grating on my nerves when she said she'd stay for west and that was all *rolls eyes* until claire said what she said in front of the whole family. then things picked up. matt still craps me and angela is just broken. i was feeling sorry for her then but then i remember she was such a <snip> she kinda had it coming to her in spades.

this ep really brought noah into the spotlight. god damn he kicked serious ass. especially with elle. she had that coming too and i love how he rubs it in. i didnt see the end twist coming. i thought he would've stayed dead like all our dead heroes before him.

hiro kicked ass in this ep too. i wanted to cry when he was telling his father goodbye and as well as when claire witnessed hrg dying. and i loved his lesson learned. har i totally knew it was kensei :o

anyway... noah/west otp? y/n? :D :D :D pics in spoiler tags
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/filogrrl/vlcsnap-98393.png
look she's uncomfortable at having to be the third wheel :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/filogrrl/vlcsnap-98775.png

oh yeah. west wasnt so creepy after hrg kicked his hiney. that was good. west was a normal guy for once. it kinda redeemed west a little in my eyes.

ahh mohinder is such a noob. why does he always veer off to the not so cool side? :( although if we find out that that was his plan all along, then i take it back :p

hmm if claires blood was simply the cure, then how come she let the virus spread like that in the future. i can't see claire's character allowing that to happen especially when she knows that she can do something about it. like how she was more willing to give her blood to bob so she could cure a virus. i was kinda worried there that bob was going to give her the virus... but the virus wouldn't work on her i guess. or can it? i'm guessing that claire's and adam's blood arent cures for the virus. or it's not so simple.

Hypochondriac
November 21st, 2007, 06:14 AM
I doubt Claire's blood will cure the virus. Even injecting her with it won't in my opinion. At best she turns into a carrier. At worst the virus mutates into the strand that caused the future plague. My reasoning is she has rapid cellular regeneration. Not an advanced immune system. Her cells regenerate at the same rate the virus kills them.

Buddhawasanancient
November 21st, 2007, 06:22 AM
And speaking of Mohinder, I really don't like him this season, I hope shooting HRG causes him to rethink some of his past actions. I actually feel bad for him, he just keeps getting stepped on by other people.


OMG I know. I can't take him this season. And his naivete. It's such a small, silly thing, but when he Bennett is asking who his partner is and he sees and says "Elle" and Mohinder goes "You know her?" OMG Mohinder. Stop being so naive. He worked for the company for over 15 years. Why do u find it so amazing that he knows his bosses' daughter. And while I'm Mohinder bashing, In "Out of Time", he seemed to cave really quickly. "I don't know whats right or wrong anymore." Oh God, give it a rest...

wwlh
November 21st, 2007, 07:24 AM
Could it be that Mohinder has revived him against the Company's wishes and knowledge? I wonder if the writers are faking us out with the "Mohinder goes Company Man and betrays HRG" development, and this was part of their plan all along in order to get Noah inside the Company walls for the final take-down.

That would be awesome.....very good thought!!

Trek_Girl42
November 22nd, 2007, 11:43 PM
Heh, the last 5-10 minutes can be summed up as:

"OMG, NOOOOO!"

"OMG, YAAAAAY!"

:D ;)
Read the whole thread. This first reply still sums it up best.

Fraktastic episode! And I was kinda headachey comatose when I watched it. :jack_new_anime06: Really, really good, solid episode that moved the story forward- exactly what has been missing lately. Hopefully the last two episodes will go out on a bang.

Still despise West, HRG is awesomer than ever, Mr. Muggles's doggy bath.....hehe. Hiro and Mr. Nakamura were wonderful. There's very little to complain about over this ep. Actually nothing, aside from, well, West. Can we dump him already?

And I am SO glad HRG didn't die.....er, stay dead. What a mistake that would have been. Liking the theory that it's Mohinder who gave him the blood.

Skydiver
November 23rd, 2007, 07:10 AM
Guys, surely we can discuss the episode without bring profanity into it.

N908671
November 23rd, 2007, 01:09 PM
What if it was Adam and Peter that saved HRG?

P-90_177
November 23rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
i doubt it. I think bob just decided to take hime along and heal him with the blood he took from claire.

adam3780
November 27th, 2007, 12:53 AM
i m just going to point a few things out nathan was healed by Adams blood and to kill Adam hero will have to take him to the begining of time over and over and over

flameling
December 8th, 2007, 05:58 PM
Great episode. Mr. Bennet was not killed off AND two of the paintings came to light. loved how Mr. Bennet stopped Mohinder from shooting him. And the Doggy Bath was a stroke of genius. I also liked how Mohinder fl guilt after killing Bennet. Loved Hiro in this episode, and the Surprise of Takezo Kenzei not being dead revealed to him. The writers are being gniuses in this episode.

Matt G
June 24th, 2008, 03:37 PM
1. As I said last week, be prepared for payback, samurai style.

2. OK so Matt's powers are evolving. That's no garuntee he'll go darkside though.

3. Mohinder you idiot.

4. 400 years? If the show is set it 2007 then that suggests Adam/Kensei was alive in 1607. Which puts him in his 60s by 1671. Yet he didn't discover his immortality till that year thanks to hero. I just found me a continuity hole.

5. I knew West wasn't a bad guy! :P

SgaIsBad
September 5th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Definitely one of the best episodes in season 2.

garhkal
December 1st, 2015, 12:04 AM
And Hiro's interaction with his father pretty much redeemed Hiro this season. It was just beautifully acted and played - at least a heck of a lot more than anything up to this point.

That also was a well played scene, which imo is where hiro get's his later on phrase, :too many butterflies: from..



Didn't see the twist with HRG coming, though. Wow.

I did.. since he is in later seasons and the heroes reborn season


Liked Hiro's stuff, although interacting with your former self is usually very dangerous.

That made me wonder too.. We often in time travel shows/eps/films get told 'never interact with yourself".. So why not here!


Not sure about Matt. He seems to be going a bit darkside, for all that he's obviously convincing himself he's being altruistic. Ditto Mohinder, although he seems to be wresting with the issue a bit more heavily. Poor Molly. This doesn't bode well for her that BOTH her guardians are dipping into dodgy territory.

I agree, poor Molly. BUT as to him going dark, many people seem to 'go dark, when they think they are doing the right thing.


Laughed my ass off at the use of Mr Muggles's doggy bath. LOL! Novel way to stop Lightning Girl, though. And it makes me wonder what she was like before her father started messing with her. Still not keen on the character, but at least this makes her more interesting.

Maybe that was part OF her testing, which HRG remembered but she didn't.


out of all the characters i'd actually say that hiro is the closest thing to an actual hero other than peter. everyone else has too much of a moral grey area.

That's why i like the show so much.. ALL the greyness.


Mohinder slowly going to the dark side was great and the interaction with Hiro and his father was amazing. It was very touching to see see Hiro finally accept his fathers fate and how they came to terms with it.

Does anyone know if ANY of the episodes (or actors/actresses) ever won an award for acting? If so, this ep should definitely have garnered several!!


Bennett however is an amazing character. Personally I think Jack Coleman definitely got the best role on this show and always exceeds expectations. His odd form of torture on Elle, his self sacrifice knowing that he'd be killed by sending Claire with West and his overall portrayal of a father out to do anything to protect his daughter is just brilliant. It was sad to see him die, but great to see him come back. Was expecting Claire to give her father some blood but when that didn't happen I was actually surprised to see him revived.

For one of the few NON powered individuals focused on, he seems to always hold his own.


I know the hints have been saying that Claire's blood will provide the cure, but what if it doesn't? If Claire's blood became infected, wouldn't you have a virus that can't be cured? Every time you tried something new, the blood would "fix" itself.

Or am I wildly off base here? Can the virus NOT infect her blood because of that same self-fix mechanism?

I am thinking more of the latter. Just like Adam wouldn't be able to catch it (Or peter for that matter)..


hmm if claires blood was simply the cure, then how come she let the virus spread like that in the future. i can't see claire's character allowing that to happen especially when she knows that she can do something about it. like how she was more willing to give her blood to bob so she could cure a virus. i was kinda worried there that bob was going to give her the virus... but the virus wouldn't work on her i guess. or can it? i'm guessing that claire's and adam's blood arent cures for the virus. or it's not so simple.

Maybe in that timeline, the company didn't TRY claires blood..'


i m just going to point a few things out nathan was healed by Adams blood and to kill Adam hero will have to take him to the begining of time over and over and over

Not really. He can teleport Adam somewhere his power won't do him any good.. Say at the bottom of the ocean (after cementing his feet), or into an air tight room.. Kind of hard to survive if you have no air!