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November 9th, 2007, 02:10 PM
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During a visit to New Athos, Teyla and Dr. Keller find themselves on the run from a primitive tribe of warriors.

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mi4si
November 9th, 2007, 07:46 PM
the doctor is a wimp, and I suppose it was a matter of time before they wrote out the Athosians

mi4si
November 9th, 2007, 07:47 PM
lol @ the warrior with the lollipop in his mouth

mi4si
November 9th, 2007, 07:48 PM
damn, no one watches this anymore

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 07:57 PM
damn, no one watches this anymore

Watches what?

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 07:58 PM
2 questions:

What's the whump factor?

What are the details on the "Kanan" guy?

If anybody can get a fairly detailed summary up, GREEN for them!! :D

USMCgrunt
November 9th, 2007, 08:01 PM
I guess the Athosans don't take the pill.....

Ruined_puzzle
November 9th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I guess the Athosans don't take the pill.....

What, lol.

Lt. Colonel Ryu Gaia
November 9th, 2007, 08:02 PM
That was a sorry-ass excuse for an episode. There were so, so many problems with it...

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:02 PM
So Keller's to find out first ... interestingly Teyla seemed very uncomfortable with her bringing it up. Darting eyes and all. I would like to see what happens with this.
I fell asleep middle of it. ;) Seemed like an OK episode though.

Sweetsong
November 9th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Teyla got beat like a red headed step child in this one. I particularly remember the mean kick the lead Bola Kai gave her after she accused them of being wraith worshippers.

I find this new found lover Athosian they cooked up to explain Teyla's pregnancy kind of forced. I would have been fine with someone from Atlantis being a daddy.

Also, why didn't Sheppard and Co. just track Teyla's radio signal when they were trying to figure out how to locate them? Teyla and Kellar were still in the cage when the Bola Kai reported they had seen the jumper come through the gate, and her radio was not far off.

Overall this was a really awesome episode, there was alot going on but it worked. The carter haters will be happy that this one was Carter free as well.

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 08:05 PM
Teyla got beat like a red headed step child in this one. I particularly remember the mean kick the lead Bola Kai gave her after she accused them of being wraith worshippers.

I find this new found lover Athosian they cooked up to explain Teyla's pregnancy kind of forced. I would have been fine with someone from Atlantis being a daddy.

Also, why didn't Sheppard and Co. just track Teyla's radio signal when they were trying to figure out how to locate them? Teyla and Kellar were still in the cage when the Bola Kai reported they had seen the jumper come through the gate, and her radio was not far off.

Overall this was a really awesome episode, there was alot going on but it worked. The carter haters will be happy that this one was Carter free as well.

So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

Xicer
November 9th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Fine episode, though I think Keller stole the show. I thought this episode was gonna be heavily centered around both Keller and Teyla, though Teyla didn't really do anything different from what she usually does IMO, and not a lot of development on her part (until the very very end of course). Lots of good Keller moments, but she got a tad annoying at first when she was acting all whimpy, which is unual because I like Jewel Staite. Anyway, it was a good episode, not perfect but good.

Xicer
November 9th, 2007, 08:08 PM
So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

It was never confirmed in the episode, I'm guessing you haven't seen it yet?

blue-skyz
November 9th, 2007, 08:09 PM
The winning streak had to end sometime. My prediction is that this will be my least favorite episode of the season. I certainly hope so. Boring!

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:10 PM
So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

No he's not the father, rather he might know where Teyla's people have gone missing to/what ever has happened to them.

Shep teased Teyla about a hot date with someone from the Athosian people/someone affiliated with them. Keller confirmed that a little later. Teyla was really apprehensive/nervous about anyone knowing about the pg though.

Alicia
November 9th, 2007, 08:11 PM
Three words: Worst. episode. ever!

Seriously, that's never happened to me before, but half away through, I thought "When is it over?! Want to go to bed!"

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:11 PM
Carter wasn't in it. I didn't notice.

I like that Teyla had a boyfriend that she keep secret.

Carter was not missed/needed in this episode for sure. Although they should've had a her in Travellers - just to authorize the whole Shep rescue mission/to even verbally say she authorized it.

Sweetsong
November 9th, 2007, 08:12 PM
So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

It was not confirmed, but the episode lead us to believe this is so. Teyla pratically admitted to having been intimate with him, though what bothered me is that it was only recently...

Btw Ringgoldgate, re-read what I posted. The "Carter Haters" aka the anti - Carter people will enjoy this episode as she wasn't in it.

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 08:12 PM
It was never confirmed in the episode, I'm guessing you haven't seen it yet?

Nope. :)


No he's not the father, rather he might know where Teyla's people have gone missing to/what ever has happened to them.

Shep teased Teyla about a hot date with someone from the Athosian people/someone affiliated with them. Keller confirmed that a little later. Teyla was really apprehensive/nervous about anyone knowing about the pg though.

Huh. Thanks. I'm rooting for an "unnatural" pregnancy, did this ep prove me wrong?

AGateFan
November 9th, 2007, 08:12 PM
It was a little slow though the fights were quite cool. Appears to be a female bonding ep so I am sure some Weir supporters are annoyed as they could have done this with her and Teyla. On the other hand it may not have worked as well since Weir was older and a leader and this worked because Teyla was the mentor to the more immature\naive Dr.

The Dr. was a little annoying with her whining but it is believable.....summer camp vs. Athosian "summer camp". I mean she is a doctor, seems to come from a basic American middle\upper class family. Fighting cannibals would not be a skill she would have picked up. She didn’t whine about her injury too much, I guess that’s something she is capable of dealing with.

Teyla seemed a bit in a bad mood, even before knowing her people were dead. But then she may have sensed something. And she certainly had a reason to be upset later. Like I said the Dr was a little annoying but she did a good job in the end, doing what needed to be done ("but first I need something to heal"...that was nice)

Sheppard, McKay, Ronan were kind of cool even for their small amount of screen time.

McKay "Hey, Arrows can hurt"
Ronan "Only if you’re stupid enough to get hit in the ass with one"
OK that was classic.

Wow, Ronan took off running and left McKay and Shep to cover...I don’t know, that struck me as odd.

Wraith worshippers is a stupid concept but I guess if we have to go with it, the execution here was OK. Though Of course there is more to this then your basic Wraith Worshippers. I have not seen a lot of spoilers but I can guess about recurring bad guys. It was obvious that guy was not Geni though since he knew nothing, but what could they do other then letting him die. Oh and at the end is the Teyla thing. Here's hopping its just your normal every day.... pregnancy by her boyfriend. Babies kill scifi shows, especially super babies....So if you have to do it, lets just make it normal every day thing and move it off-screen as quickly as possible with the occasional reference being all we need to know. Already glad its no one on Atlantis though..... But if it’s a wraith baby I'll hurl and not in the good "that’s so gross" way, just the "OMFG that’s idiotic" way

I am a Carson fan but I think they have done a good job integrating Keller. One could say this ep was too focused on her but actually it was very much focused on Teyla with Keller being the necessary naive character that she had to assist. It wouldn’t have worked with any of her more experienced teammates, except perhaps McKay and he really went through a lot of this in the first couple of seasons. So it was Keller or some other guest or recurring character (Zelenka wouldn’t work either as we have seen him to be quite the survivor).

So good ep, a little slow but lots of Teyla development. The rest of the team contributed. Carter can be assumed to be off doing other management stuff, no real need for her in this ep and there would not have been one for Weir either (unless you had sent her with Teyla that is).

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Three words: Worst. episode. ever!

Seriously, that's never happened to me before, but half away through, I thought "When is it over?! Want to go to bed!"

I am not kidding when I say, I did fall asleep mid way through. Didn't even bother to rewind (I have DVR)... just let it go and finish. I missed good 20 minutes. Didn't seem like I missed much.

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM
It was not confirmed, but the episode lead us to believe this is so. Teyla pratically admitted to having been intimate with him, though what bothered me is that it was only recently...

Btw Ringgoldgate, re-read what I posted. The "Carter Haters" aka the anti - Carter people will enjoy this episode as she wasn't in it.

Eww. That just doesn't seem like Teyla. :S:(

idlewild202
November 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM
K.... not even going to begin with how Keller was written as Beckett.... only thing I liked about her in this episode was that she felt out of place going to the Athosians when they were so fond of Carson.

Finally a Teyla episode... but, not exactly what I was wanting. All we got to see was her once again show us that she can beat up big ugly bad guys.
What do TPTB not understand about two simple words: character development

:lol: for the lolipop!!! hahahahaha! That was the best part.

I wish that John was in charge of Atlantis, he fits better than Sam (nothing against Sam because she is one heck of an awesome SG-1 character.... nuff said).

That being said.... next week's episode looks better.

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 08:15 PM
Here's hopping its just your normal every day.... pregnancy by her boyfriend. Babies kill scifi shows, especially super babies....So if you have to do it, lets just make it normal every day thing and move it off-screen as quickly as possible with the occasional reference being all we need to know. Already glad its no one on Atlantis though..... But if it’s a wraith baby I'll hurl and not in the good "that’s so gross" way, just the "OMFG that’s idiotic" way

I disagree. That would ruin Teyla's character for me. :S

ToasterOnFire
November 9th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Bummer, now we're back to average episodes. Nice to see the gals out and about without Shep and McKay (notice that they still saved the day though :rolleyes:), but it's too bad that I found the ep kinda dull. Teyla is strong and confident! Keller is weak and unsure! Repeat ad nauseum until Keller finally kicks some ass! Eh. The ending with the wraith worshiper was the best part. And the lollipop. :D

Also, OMG teh drama with the medical mystery fadeout! Seriously, I thought I was watching a soap or something. :rolleyes:


Yes, the doctor is a wimp but not funny like McKay. I love wimpy Mckay.
Heh, I was watching this ep and thought "Keller is like the female version of McKay!" :D If I have to watch someone go offworld and freak out and blab nonstop and bumble I'd rather see McKay. He has snark. Keller, not so much.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:17 PM
I disagree. That would ruin Teyla's character for me. :S

The whole baby thing is bad news. Like WP said, it kills scifi.

siXbrownSnakes2
November 9th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Not really a good episode, but a necessary one.

I do wish they could have incorporated that same type of story but without the primitive axemen with weird face paint.

I wasn't sure what to think about keller before. I appreciated the mention of Carson. Of course I'd rather have carson, but if anyone is to replace him, I think they made the right choice on how to do it.

I think they sacrificed too much "good plot" for character development. I like character development, but when you resort to running from stone age men in a jungle it gets lame.



By the way, next week looks fantastic. And it appears the "missing athosians" arc will be pushed forward. Continuity ftw.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Bummer, now we're back to average episodes. Nice to see the gals out and about without Shep and McKay (notice that they still saved the day though :rolleyes:), but it's too bad that I found the ep kinda dull. Teyla is strong and confident! Keller is weak and unsure! Repeat ad nauseum until Keller finally kicks some ass! Eh. The ending with the wraith worshiper was the best part. And the lollipop. :D

Also, OMG teh drama with the medical mystery fadeout! Seriously, I thought I was watching a soap or something. :rolleyes:


Heh, I was watching this ep and thought "Keller is like the female version of McKay!" :D If I have to watch someone go offworld and freak out and blab nonstop and bumble I'd rather see McKay. He has snark. Keller, not so much.
The whole cutseyness to the delivery kills it all.

Xicer
November 9th, 2007, 08:20 PM
I thought the arrows part near the end was a bit cliche, I mean I saw them get shot at by a TON of arrows and not one of them hit the team. Either Shep and crew have lightning reflexes or the Bolo Kai have worse aim than the Jaffa.

Sweetsong
November 9th, 2007, 08:21 PM
No he's not the father, rather he might know where Teyla's people have gone missing to/what ever has happened to them.


I think you're confusing Kanan, Teyla's athosian lover she spoke about when her and Kellar were camping at the fire with the guy they rescued who claimed to be Genii. I forgot his name, someone throw it out here to help lessen the confusion.

Infernorhythm
November 9th, 2007, 08:21 PM
Why the hate on this episode? It was great! Sure, it wasn't as good as last week's Memento-influenced amnesia fun trip, but it was still pretty good. Maybe its just because I'm a big fan of Jewel Staite, but Keller really is one of the best supporting cast members on the show. The "First I need something to heal" was utterly badass. She definitely feels fully rounded, not a quick cliche character. She has a lot of room for a good character arc.

The mystery of the Athosians seems really interesting. I knew the guy wasn't Genii, the gun was too different. Still, I'm wondering where the show is going to go with this. This could be a really good subplot, or it could end up being really bad. Hopefully they go for the former, it definitely caught my attention. As for Teyla's pregnancy, as long as they don't go for the whole "mystical messiah kid" angle that nearly every sci-fi pregnancy uses, it should be ok.

The actor-character game between Sheppard and McKay was great, and it was really cool to see McKay actually jump into the battle (he seemed to do more fighting than Ronon!). The arrow jokes were great, I love the call back to Sateda.

Not the best episode, but definitely a keeper. 4/5.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:21 PM
I thought the arrows part near the end was a bit cliche, I mean I saw them get shot at by a TON of arrows and not one of them hit the team. Either Shep and crew have lightning reflexes or the Bolo Kai have worse aim than the Jaffa.

They got ninja moves. :P

prion
November 9th, 2007, 08:23 PM
2 questions:

What's the whump factor?

What are the details on the "Kanan" guy?

If anybody can get a fairly detailed summary up, GREEN for them!! :D


'whump' is hurt/comfort, or when a character gets beaten up, shot up, stabbed, in other words, hurt. So, Teyla got 'whumped' rather good in this episode.

This is the first we've heard of Kanan. All we know is what she said as the writers have kept details on him pretty quiet. We'll learn more next week when we get Teyla's test results (I'm sure most people already know).

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 08:26 PM
I knew the fake genii was bad news the moment I saw him. They would have been right to let him die. After all, why would the Genii be spying on the Athosians?

Now this leads into several questions, who took the Athosians? Where were they taken? Who took them?

And why did that guy look like he had just died or was gravely ill.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I think you're confusing Kanan, Teyla's athosian lover she spoke about when her and Kellar were camping at the fire with the guy they rescued who claimed to be Genii. I forgot his name, someone throw it out here to help lessen the confusion.
Sorry you are correct. This might be where I was asleep. :)

AGateFan
November 9th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I knew the fake genii was bad news the moment I saw him. They would have been right to let him die. After all, why would the Genii be spying on the Athosians?

Now this leads into several questions, who took the Athosians? Where were they taken? Who took them?

And why did that guy look like he had just died or was gravely ill.
Who tied him up?

If it was the cavemen, why did they just leave him there and not take him back like they did with Teyla and keller?

Was it actually coincidence that the cavemen showed up there after that guys allies (wraith or otherwise) took out the athosians?

WingedPegasus
November 9th, 2007, 08:31 PM
The whole baby thing is bad news. Like WP said, it kills scifi.

Man, I really hope some sci-fi twist shows up down the road or I am gonna be seriously mad. :mad: I am not happy right now. :( Teyla was one of my favorite characters. :(

the fifth man
November 9th, 2007, 08:32 PM
Not a bad episode overall. At least we got to see more out of Teyla than we usually do. Definitely not the best one this season either though.

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 08:32 PM
9.5 OUT OF 10
Not very Team oriented but this explains a point I made...Teyla episodes are never Teyla episodes. Teyla was balanced by Keller extremely well. The Warrior and the weakling. John ep...?! John oriented and boring.

This was just well put together and balance. Teyla's development was rich, as was Keller's development. We had action, a great story with tnos of open storylines to keep us questioning. Who is Nable? Where did he come from? What was his purpose? How much does he know? Is he a worshipper? Are Teyla's people dead? Are they alive? We know Teyla's pregnant...but based on the fact that the situation is complicated how far will this go and to what capacity. But we'll worry about those later.

:teyla:Uber sexy, great storyline. Development...this opens doors for Teyla. We know she can track, we know she's a survivor. She was a mixture of Xena, Red Sonja (Xena was less ruthless) and Bismarck (German military strategist: I idolise him.) all rolled into one. That being said she was smart warrior with a strong moral and survival instinct but still had her level of honor, compassion in place. Her strategies were great and well placed it was a great dynamic to Teyla. I think they could do more, but as a touch of the beginning into Teyla, this was well done. I liked the relationship between her and Kanan, although mentioned. I also loved her fighting skills which were pretty impressive. I like how surivival brings out the warrior in many people.

What's also interesting was teh way she talked to Keller. The relationship between Keller and Teyla has been totally developed unlike it was ever done for Teyla and Weir. We see why they bonded, how, and why this would grow into a deep female companionship. The way she talked to Keller cracked me up so much!!! It was like she was talking to a child, an irritating child.

The dirt squid moment was class, I'm a squid lover, so that did look appetizing to me. :S It was just coolies.

Plus, I loved how they connected Teyla's heritage similar to Native American tribes such as the Iroquois!!! Barely ever touched upon, and I liked how in this paticular situation it is not only designed for the men but also the women. It was an egalitarian society that raised farmers and Warriors within the farmers. Extremely impressive to see that...plus it also shows the inherent contrast between our current society and more egalitarian earlier societies and some modern cultures such as many Brazilian groups. Rites of passage are still taught and maintined and they are fundamental and understanding the people and developing the mindset.

I liked how Keller seemed a bit horrified by it, because it's a-typical of someone being brought up in our society---they don't understand the growth of adulthood lies in many forms and is strengthed by trials and tribulations that are not in superficial break-ups with boyfriends or a sprained knee. Plus it shows the life these people live over the luxury. Plus it also brings forth the understanding of one's self and one's skill in the midst fear...which Keller got a crash course in.

This was a beautifully made up to show these dynamics. I really loved it.


Teyla is godlike!!!


:sam: <---KELLER: Well she got the greatest development. When she figured that Teyla was talking about Rodney, I thought the same thing. She grew for me, she was totally irritating and finally when survival took over she got a brain. Her attitude was definitely fitting for the situation and her personality, although it took a while for her to get a clue. But her growth was interesting when contrasted with Teyla.

Bambam: Liked his moment, getting strangled by the wood, when Teyla went berserk!!

As for Shelly Winters----I could go older, but I'll keep it most popular: Poseidon Adventure!!!

Beyond that, it was a great ep, and I really liked the Bolachai.

9.5 OUT OF 10

Chailyn
November 9th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Finally a Teyla episode... but, not exactly what I was wanting. All we got to see was her once again show us that she can beat up big ugly bad guys.
What do TPTB not understand about two simple words: character development.

Yeah, I was really looking forward to this episode for Teyla, but it just fell flat. Teyla did her Xena thing again. We learned that Teyla eats raw squid creatures. Then more Xena moves. Not really what I was hoping for either. :(

Her boyfriend was a bit of a surprise though. I was expecting him to be just another warrior type, but he clearly isn't. They grew up together and have had a long friendship. So, there has to be genuine feelings there. I got that it's clearly not just a tumble in the hay with them. Then she got all choked up talking about him.

I started out thinking that Keller was too wimpy and was annoyed with her, but I think that was the point they were going for. This was really Keller's ep, imo. We learned about her past, her fears, and overall watched her battle her insecurities to get the job done. We saw her grow. That's character development.

I'm a bit disappointed. I've enjoyed S4 so far, but this one was just boring. Bascially, they spent the entire episode running from psycho people. The plot really wasn't furthered much. We didn't even get Teyla's "big announcement" at the end. So, yeah. The only thing I got out of this was Keller development, which is okay, I guess, seeing as I like Keller. But, it was a disappointment for what I hoped would be a good (and much needed) Teyla story.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 08:37 PM
Who tied him up?

If it was the cavemen, why did they just leave him there and not take him back like they did with Teyla and keller?

Was it actually coincidence that the cavemen showed up there after that guys allies (wraith or otherwise) took out the athosians?

Besides use of information, he was the cause of Teyla and Keller being kidnapped and beaten. He was also the cause of heightened tension between them and the Bola'kai when he claimed that they were working for the Wraith (something that pissed the head guy off to no end...ruining any chance of negotiation). Had he been left to die it's possible that the information he collected would die with him.

Overall though, we did get some information. The Athosians are alive.

But because he managed to escape somehow, we have no idea what he may have reported back to his handlers (Wraith or otherwise). He didn't deny working for the Wraith.

It's also possible that the Athosians did it before they were taken. They realized he was a plant and tied him up and stabbed him because he became too nosy. He didn't collect any information so the Wraith decided to leave him behind.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I was really looking forward to this episode for Teyla, but it just fell flat. Teyla did her Xena thing again. We learned that Teyla eats raw squid creatures. Then more Xena moves. Not really what I was hoping for either. :(

Her boyfriend was a bit of a surprise though. I was expecting him to be just another warrior type, but he clearly isn't. They grew up together and have had a long friendship. So, there has to be genuine feelings there. I got that it's clearly not just a tumble in the hay with them. Then she got all choked up talking about him.

I started out thinking that Keller was too wimpy and was annoyed with her, but I think that was the point they were going for. This was really Keller's ep, imo. We learned about her past, her fears, and overall watched her battle her insecurities to get the job done. We saw her grow. That's character development.

I'm a bit disappointed. I've enjoyed S4 so far, but this one was just boring. Bascially, they spent the entire episode running from psycho people. The plot really wasn't furthered much. We didn't even get Teyla's "big announcement" at the end. So, yeah. The only thing I got out of this was Keller development, which is okay, I guess, seeing as I like Keller. But, it was a disappointment for what I hoped would be a good (and much needed) Teyla story.
Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.

Quinn Mallory
November 9th, 2007, 08:40 PM
Well, Keller's character got some growth and we got to see more Teyla (plus a new mission for her), but it's otherwise rather fluffy of an episode. There are a bit of action but since you never doubt for a second that Teyla and Keller are in some serious problems and there are really not that much humor involved, this will probably be a bit forgettable.

By the way, for all the build up that they had of the cannabalistic tribe, they sure communicate pretty well (I thought they would speak in a more primitive ways alas the Unas).

I thought Teyla was being uncharacteristically cruel but that conversation that Keller had with her about how Teyla felt responsible explained that way and is probably the highlight of the episode.

Major_Griff
November 9th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Pretty good ep. I don't think it was the worst of the season. "Travelers" would take that prize so far (that said it was a pretty good ep too). There weren't too many monents I could point out that I really liked, but I liked the ending how they didn't tell us that she was preggers yet. I was sitting there waiting for how Keller was gonna say it and then it ended. Pretty cool that even though I knew what she was gonna say, I still felt the suspence and the impact of the cliff hanger. Overall 7.8/10 (I usually don't give decimal ratings but I felt this was way too good to have been a 7 but not quite good enough to be an 8)

AGateFan
November 9th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.
I would applaud TPTB if they could get that actor back and maintain that kind of continuity. However I doubt it...that guy wasnt exactly a "looker" and after all the TPTB focus on the pretty I doubt they would have Teyla dating just your average looking guy. Plus TPTB have shown the propensity to forget the little things from time to time (even when they are not completely contradicting themselves). If they do get that actor and make that they guy though I will be impressed.

Speaking of continuity (and not that I really care) it did occur to me to wonder what ever happen to Halling.

Ruined_puzzle
November 9th, 2007, 08:43 PM
Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.

*raises hand* I remember him, he was cute :)

I think they cast someone from the movie 300 for the role of Kanan.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 08:44 PM
I would applaud TPTB if they could get that actor back and maintain that kind of continuity. However I doubt it...that guy wasnt exactly a "looker" and after all the TPTB focus on the pretty I doubt they would have Teyla dating just your average looking guy. Plus TPTB have shown the propensity to forget the little things from time to time (even when they are not completely contradicting themselves). If they do get that actor and make that they guy though I will be impressed.

Speaking of continuity (and not that I really care) it did occur to me to wonder what ever happen to Halling.

I was thinking that Kanan was the Athosian guy she was sparring with in The Siege.

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 08:44 PM
I didn't think it was fluffy, I thought there were interesting social issues that were addressed and it brings to light certain aspects of culture, relationships, and contrasts on what Teyla would have been like if she was on Earth and the Teyla we have now.

The ep is not based on the action and what you get from there. But basically the relationship and what stems from that relationship...I might have read into than most people, but tha was what I was watching on screen. But I noticed I read something entirely different from Tabula Rasa than most people.

I see huge philsopophical, hypothetical, and juxtapositional ideologies at play here. It was intriguing on that level alone for me. The fighting was just entertaining on a superficial level.

Vala_M
November 9th, 2007, 08:45 PM
I thought this was a pretty good episode, lots of fight scenes. I liked the Bolo Kai, I don't think we have seen enough tribes like this these days in the episodes.

And yes, the lollipop's being eaten by the Bolo Kai was funny. I don't think that the Athosians are dead, they left the end open, usually when they do that, it means there is more to come. My guess would be that Michael took them to make more super bugs but the upcoming episodes don't seem to have anything to do with Michael.

Vala,

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 08:46 PM
You both are correct AGF & R_P. That kinda continuity is just too much to ask for.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM
I didn't think it was fluffy, I thought there were interesting social issues that were addressed and it brings to light certain aspects of culture, relationships, and contrasts on what Teyla would have been like if she was on Earth and the Teyla we have now.

The ep is not based on the action and what you get from there. But basically the relationship and what stems from that relationship...I might have read into than most people, but tha was what I was watching on screen. But I noticed I read something entirely different from Tabula Rasa than most people.

I see huge philsopophical, hypothetical, and juxtapositional ideologies at play here. It was intriguing on that level alone for me. The fighting was just entertaining on a superficial level.

She could have fought with a gun for all I cared.

The episode was more about character relationship and maturity and the will to survive.

A doctor who never had to really fight for her life, who was never afraid once is suddenly placed in hostile territory and told to fight for her life. She's struggling to survive in a world she knows nothing of and the need to adapt. She went across the bridge, she learned that in survival, only trust those you know, and know well, and that the lives of others are second to your own.

She was forced from that happy faced doctor to a woman sobered by the reality of the harsh conditions some of the human worlds have in Pegasus.

This was not only a Teyla episode, this was a Keller episode.

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.

Unlikely. Go back to Rising II, that guy was culled by the Wraith with the cool-aid dyed hair. The guy she'll get is a guy from the 300 film...lucky Teyla!!! She scored better than any other woman on SGA in my opinion.

I personally hope that Kanan is Michael Fassbender :D, then I can live vicariously through Teyla. I couldn't do it so well while watching HEX, and it was hard imagining being his wife in 300, he had a male partner he spent his time flirting with as he killed. ~sigh~ :S



She could have fought with a gun for all I cared.

The episode was more about character relationship and maturity and the will to survive.

A doctor who never had to really fight for her life, who was never afraid once is suddenly placed in hostile territory and told to fight for her life. She's struggling to survive in a world she knows nothing of and the need to adapt. She went across the bridge, she learned that in survival, only trust those you know, and know well, and that the lives of others are second to your own.

She was forced from that happy faced doctor to a woman sobered by the reality of the harsh conditions some of the human worlds have in Pegasus.

This was not only a Teyla episode, this was a Keller episode.

I wholeheartedly agree!! This is why I rated so high!! It was a well established story that was extremely rich in the message that it was portraying.



I was thinking that Kanan was the Athosian guy she was sparring with in The Siege.

Unlikely...plus that was Bambam...:D He most likely died in The Siege II, most of the Athosian who joined Teyla in battle on Atlantis were killed, since we saw them all laying on the ground (presumed dead) with a missing Teyla. So it's rather likely he was killed off. :S Anyway, I'm glad they have someone new.

tombraider
November 9th, 2007, 08:50 PM
I liked this episode. It was not fantastic, but much better than Travelers.
- There was some character background and development for both Teyla and Keller. By the end doctor became less whimpy and Teyla more human (not that she was not before, but the relationship and the consequences of it are something very new to her character)
- Like some people before in this thread I did find revelation about Teyla's "boyfriend" a bit forced, but I am willing to suspend my disbelief here. The real pregnancy had to be explained and Teyal is not kind of person who would be blabbing about close friendship all the time. I think she did mention some attraction to ill-fated woman in Sunday episode, only I thought she was talking about someone from Atlantis. Hey, at least we know she is human. ;)
- Suspense was great. We all know it is going to get wrapped up in the end, but the question is always as how. Sure Shep and Ronon with P-90 were not the least obvious solution, but the mysterys of Athosian disappearance and the identity of the suspected Wraith worshipper remain to be solved. I like the arc here, it sounds promising and provides nice change from Asurans/Travelers/survival themes this season.
- Good cameo from Danny Trejo. I did not immediately recognize him under all this face paint.
- Favorite quote is form McKay: Arrows can be painful!
Overall I would rate this episode after Tabula Rasa, Lifeline and Adrift, but higher than Travelers, Doppelganger and Reunion.

Reign
November 9th, 2007, 08:50 PM
I thought this was a pretty good episode, lots of fight scenes. I liked the Bolo Kai, I don't think we have seen enough tribes like this these days in the episodes.

And yes, the lollipop's being eaten by the Bolo Kai was funny. I don't think that the Athosians are dead, they left the end open, usually when they do that, it means there is more to come. My guess would be that Michael took them to make more super bugs but the upcoming episodes don't seem to have anything to do with Michael.

Vala,

Or maybe he's part replicator, like Weir. Maybe they've been using Weir to try and make themselves more human like so they can ascend and are using the Athosians so that they can accomplish this and also maybe find out about Atlantis so they can get'em. :D I don't really believe this but anything is possible on this show. lol.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 08:52 PM
Or maybe he's part replicator, like Weir. Maybe they've been using Weir to try and make themselves more human like so they can ascend and are using the Athosians so that they can accomplish this and also maybe find out about Atlantis so they can get'em. :D I don't really believe this but anything is possible on this show. lol.

The Kindred mentions an Athosian funeral fire and is filled with Michael and our beloved Dr. Beckett

BerrySciFi
November 9th, 2007, 08:54 PM
It looks like I'm in the minority here but I thought it was a great episode. We see Teyla as being kind and nurturing so much that it's nice to be reminded that she is also a formidable warrior with no compassion whatsoever in the heat of battle. Above all else, Teyla is a survivor every bit as tough as Ronan. I found Keller annoying, but in character. I really didn't like the scenes where she hid while Teyla fought. Obviously, Keller is not a fighter but TPTB made her a coward, as well. If your friend was fighting for her life and your life was in danger as well, wouldn't you fight? Even if you were scared and had no training? I think anyone would. Hmmm, on second thought, I think this episode was good but not great because that REALLY annoyed me. I wanted to see Keller die at the end (like all Stargate doctors seem to). Loved Teyla, hated Keller. I thought the calvary saving them at the end was predictable, but necessary given the fact that it was Teyla against the Bola Kai. And obviously Shep would lead a rescue party if Teyla hadn't checked in or responded. Kind of predictable, but much more good than bad.

PegasusGalaxy
November 9th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 09:00 PM
It looks like I'm in the minority here but I thought it was a great episode. We see Teyla as being kind and nurturing so much that it's nice to be reminded that she is also a formidable warrior with no compassion whatsoever in the heat of battle. Above all else, Teyla is a survivor every bit as tough as Ronan. I found Keller annoying, but in character. I really didn't like the scenes where she hid while Teyla fought. Obviously, Keller is not a fighter but TPTB made her a coward, as well. If your friend was fighting for her life and your life was in danger as well, wouldn't you fight? Even if you were scared and had no training? I think anyone would. Hmmm, on second thought, I think this episode was good but not great because that REALLY annoyed me. I wanted to see Keller die at the end (like all Stargate doctors seem to). Loved Teyla, hated Keller. I thought the calvary saving them at the end was predictable, but necessary given the fact that it was Teyla against the Bola Kai. And obviously Shep would lead a rescue party if Teyla hadn't checked in or responded. Kind of predictable, but much more good than bad.

I came to love Keller, despite her annoyance in the first part of it. I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

I think what happened in this ep is that it's not fast moving, and it's not meant to be. You're supposed to see the relationship of the character, it's a storytelling mainly. There is a beginning, a middle and an end, yet there is still mystery and there are defining moments for two people who are utter juxtaposed against one another. That was what was important.

The point was to give you the internal workings of two people who are inherently different from one another and find compromise and commonality within their differences, from strengths to weaknesses. It's an intriguing and complex story that was put forth. I mean if you want superficial stuff well this wasn't an ep for a person. If you're looking for a quick fix this definitely is not an ep for you.

If you want to get to know Teyla and alternatively Keller --then this is the ep for you. :D

AGateFan
November 9th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?
She didnt get whummped really really really bad most of it was to the face and head (amazing how she will maintain her nice looks though with all that ;))....but the doctor was very interested in keeping her in the infirmary for a while so they did seem to hint at it as a possible concern.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?

Not necessarily. There's a variety of factors, one of them being how far along she is.

justhere1971
November 9th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?

To answer your question

babies are surprisingly resilient. think about all the women who take a fall and carry a healthy pg w/o any problem.

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 09:06 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?

That's what I would have thought. As a matter of fact, she did get whumped pretty badly. That punch to the face by the Bola Kai literally knocked her off her knees onto her back. The tripping on to her stomach she recieved twice. She got hit on the back by the arm of an ax and a polearm and knocked unconcious?! She'd have miscarried no doubt about it. The problem is not the baby at times, but how much shock the mother's body goes through. And Teyla's body went through some serious shock. I think this is where Rachel Luttrell's comments on Teyla's wraith abilities coming into play. It might give her an extra immunity against miscarriages. Although, with the polearm and ax arm to the back, I don't know how that kid survived. Ah well!!! whatever!! I don't think the kid is the point. Plus, if JM didn't spoil us we would never have known that this involved a kid. We'd speculate but know nothing. For that alone, I'm peeved I spoiled myself.

Chailyn
November 9th, 2007, 09:09 PM
She could have fought with a gun for all I cared.

The episode was more about character relationship and maturity and the will to survive.

A doctor who never had to really fight for her life, who was never afraid once is suddenly placed in hostile territory and told to fight for her life. She's struggling to survive in a world she knows nothing of and the need to adapt. She went across the bridge, she learned that in survival, only trust those you know, and know well, and that the lives of others are second to your own.

She was forced from that happy faced doctor to a woman sobered by the reality of the harsh conditions some of the human worlds have in Pegasus.

This was not only a Teyla episode, this was a Keller episode.

I get what you're saying. In that way, it can be interesting. It just didn't move me much. There are enough reality shows devoted to this very subject. The writers even poked fun of themselves with the Survivor crack. They knew they weren't offering something that original. And pairing a "strong" woman with a "weak" woman and watching them support/learn from each other has been done too.

I don't know. I liked Keller and Teyla, but maybe my expectations were too high. I was expecting something else. Oh well. To each their own. :)

I've enjoyed S4 so far. Maybe next week will be better for me.

Infernorhythm
November 9th, 2007, 09:09 PM
I liked this episode. It was not fantastic, but much better than Travelers.
- There was some character background and development for both Teyla and Keller. By the end doctor became less whimpy and Teyla more human (not that she was not before, but the relationship and the consequences of it are something very new to her character)
- Like some people before in this thread I did find revelation about Teyla's "boyfriend" a bit forced, but I am willing to suspend my disbelief here. The real pregnancy had to be explained and Teyal is not kind of person who would be blabbing about close friendship all the time. I think she did mention some attraction to ill-fated woman in Sunday episode, only I thought she was talking about someone from Atlantis. Hey, at least we know she is human. ;)
- Suspense was great. We all know it is going to get wrapped up in the end, but the question is always as how. Sure Shep and Ronon with P-90 were not the least obvious solution, but the mysterys of Athosian disappearance and the identity of the suspected Wraith worshipper remain to be solved. I like the arc here, it sounds promising and provides nice change from Asurans/Travelers/survival themes this season.
- Good cameo from Danny Trejo. I did not immediately recognize him under all this face paint.
- Favorite quote is form McKay: Arrows can be painful!
Overall I would rate this episode after Tabula Rasa, Lifeline and Adrift, but higher than Travelers, Doppelganger and Reunion.
That was Danny Trejo? I thought he looked familiar, I guess I just wasn't expecting Machete himself to show up on Atlantis. Awesome!

vaberella
November 9th, 2007, 09:10 PM
Not necessarily. There's a variety of factors, one of them being how far along she is.

She looks in her first trimester, prime time for baby loss. :S

ToasterOnFire
November 9th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Hi, I haven't seen the show yet because I was reading here first to see if I wanted to see it. Anyway, I had a question from the posts I've been reading. It's been mentioned in a few that Teyla got whumped pretty well. If that's true and she's pregnant, wouldn't it cause a miscarriage?
Maybe, maybe not. There was a recent amazing story about a female skydiver who survived the fall when her parachute didn't open. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/13/earlyshow/main1120132.shtml) What makes it even more amazing was that she was unknowingly pregnant at the time, and the child made it to term and was perfectly healthy. :eek:

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:13 PM
lol @ the warrior with the lollipop in his mouth

Yeah, that was funny.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 09:13 PM
She looks in her first trimester, prime time for baby loss. :S

Depends really. The child is still very small. There's also the possibility that she was expecting twins and one of the children miscarried. :P

Prime time for baby loss is last trimester. Fall down stairs or kick or punch to stomach...

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:15 PM
I saw that and was wondering what that was?

Yes, the doctor is a wimp but not funny like McKay. I love wimpy Mckay.

I did like Teyla alot in this one. Overall I really liked the episode.

Yeah... I am also a big fan of Teyla (especially in this episode).

Good stuff.

suse
November 9th, 2007, 09:19 PM
the doctor is a wimp, and I suppose it was a matter of time before they wrote out the Athosians


Rodney is also a wimp, though not as bad a one as he was in S1. And this is Keller's first year on Atlantis. Zelenka unpluggled his computer in one of the season finales (in a battle situation!) before he was told to leave. Hardly brave.


I suppose it was a matter of time before they wrote out the Athosians

The Athosians were hardly ever on anyway. At least they now serve a storyline purpose for Teyla. Good motivation.

So it looks like (as it wasn't officially announced on the show I'll spoiler it)Teyla is going to have a normal kid. Good. TPTB didn't go the horrendous Adria route.

I missed the first half of the ep because I was driving home from work. I'll watch it later. The second half was wonderful. Bet the Teyla whumpers loved it.

Keller hasn't been trained in battle situations. And she's not military. I thought what she said and did was pretty plucky in the end. She has more hidden reserves than she thinks. :) It's nice we got a bit of background on Keller.

Teyla... I'm looking forward to her storyline. This is sooo much darker than we've ever seen her. It was almost OoC how different she was.. Though she's very protective of her people. And her lover was missing - which would make anyone cranky. ;) In any case I'm looking forward to seeing Rachel a lot more this season.

I also liked the nods to earlier episodes, specifically the one where Rodney gets shot on the mitka with an arrow. :) Both Ronon and Rodney got good lines from that one. :lol: Rodney:"Not arrows!" and he shoots at the primitive people...

I've really enjoyed the last two episodes. I hope this mean s that (imo) tptb have hit there stride for this style of SGA.

suse

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:19 PM
Teyla got beat like a red headed step child in this one. I particularly remember the mean kick the lead Bola Kai gave her after she accused them of being wraith worshippers.

I find this new found lover Athosian they cooked up to explain Teyla's pregnancy kind of forced. I would have been fine with someone from Atlantis being a daddy.

Also, why didn't Sheppard and Co. just track Teyla's radio signal when they were trying to figure out how to locate them? Teyla and Kellar were still in the cage when the Bola Kai reported they had seen the jumper come through the gate, and her radio was not far off.

Overall this was a really awesome episode, there was alot going on but it worked. The carter haters will be happy that this one was Carter free as well.

Yeah-- her booty was well kicked in this episode...
The Athosian lover plot jump is... well, a jump. It is logical, but forced.

I think Sheppard and Co. tracked Teyla's radio signal to the packs... and found the packs and that sort of explains how they ended up kicking the bad guy's butts... because they tracked the signal to the camp.

Remember how in Season 9? Season 10? of SGA how SG1 had epidermis tracking implants? It would be a good connection for the SGA expedition members to have similar implants.

I gotta say... not missing Carter (even though I am a fan).

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Fine episode, though I think Keller stole the show. I thought this episode was gonna be heavily centered around both Keller and Teyla, though Teyla didn't really do anything different from what she usually does IMO, and not a lot of development on her part (until the very very end of course). Lots of good Keller moments, but she got a tad annoying at first when she was acting all whimpy, which is unual because I like Jewel Staite. Anyway, it was a good episode, not perfect but good.

yeah, she was wimpy-- but DID you see that bridge??? WTheck? It's like a string!!!! A string!!!!

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 09:23 PM
Yeah-- her booty was well kicked in this episode...
The Athosian lover plot jump is... well, a jump. It is logical, but forced.

I think Sheppard and Co. tracked Teyla's radio signal to the packs... and found the packs and that sort of explains how they ended up kicking the bad guy's butts... because they tracked the signal to the camp.

Remember how in Season 9? Season 10? of SGA how SG1 had epidermis tracking implants? It would be a good connection for the SGA expedition members to have similar implants.

I gotta say... not missing Carter (even though I am a fan).

I'm surprised they didn't. The way Caldwell and the rest get beamed out of Atlantis all the time.

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 09:25 PM
yeah, she was wimpy-- but DID you see that bridge??? WTheck? It's like a string!!!! A string!!!!

Who are we to criticize Athosian architecture? There's a practical use for it. To teach balance.

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:26 PM
Three words: Worst. episode. ever!

Seriously, that's never happened to me before, but half away through, I thought "When is it over?! Want to go to bed!"

Sorry. I loved it.

My personal highlights...
1. the burrowing tentacle animal... and the survivor cracks
2. learning other details about Keller (her daddy, her wimpy nature, summer camp)
3. That treacherous Genii? dude?
4. Cannibal Warriors!
5. Teyla kicking butt
6. Keller's comment about '...needing something to heal'
7. Ronon's crack about McKay being shot in the butt
etc. etc.

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:29 PM
Why the hate on this episode? It was great! Sure, it wasn't as good as last week's Memento-influenced amnesia fun trip, but it was still pretty good. Maybe its just because I'm a big fan of Jewel Staite, but Keller really is one of the best supporting cast members on the show. The "First I need something to heal" was utterly badass. She definitely feels fully rounded, not a quick cliche character. She has a lot of room for a good character arc.

The mystery of the Athosians seems really interesting. I knew the guy wasn't Genii, the gun was too different. Still, I'm wondering where the show is going to go with this. This could be a really good subplot, or it could end up being really bad. Hopefully they go for the former, it definitely caught my attention. As for Teyla's pregnancy, as long as they don't go for the whole "mystical messiah kid" angle that nearly every sci-fi pregnancy uses, it should be ok.

The actor-character game between Sheppard and McKay was great, and it was really cool to see McKay actually jump into the battle (he seemed to do more fighting than Ronon!). The arrow jokes were great, I love the call back to Sateda.

Not the best episode, but definitely a keeper. 4/5.

I agree!

ToasterOnFire
November 9th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I'd care more about the vanished Athosians if they weren't used almost exclusively as a throwaway bit in a plot device - "Them's trouble heading this way, time to round up those gosh darn Athosians!" Heck, I didn't even bat an eye when there was a chance that they had all been killed. Potential wasted long ago, moving on...

rarocks24
November 9th, 2007, 09:32 PM
I'd care more about the vanished Athosians if they weren't used almost exclusively as a throwaway bit in a plot device - "Them's trouble heading this way, time to round up those gosh darn Athosians!" Heck, I didn't even bat an eye when there was a chance that they had all been killed. Potential wasted long ago, moving on...

What with the Athosians moving around all the time I'm surprised they didn't come to Atlantis's new homeworld. It wouldn't be that much of a move seeing what they were living in.

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:36 PM
Who are we to criticize Athosian architecture? There's a practical use for it. To teach balance.

Uh huh-- not criticizing...just saying there is no reason for anyone to call Keller a wimp (in this instance) for being apprehensive about walking across a STRING.

Mack_1
November 9th, 2007, 09:38 PM
I turn my TV to see this episode and I was exited about it, big disappointment, firsts 3 min. in the show it look like a good one, interaction with T/K really good, and now I know from were "cave man" got the lollipop.:rolleyes:

Next30 min of episode I was bore to dead running, running and Teyla, I know she is worried about her people gets kind of rude to the Dr. because such Dr. is not a warrior like she is and Keller though I get she is not use to this situations she was way to wining, there was a situation a bad one, you need to suck it up and do the best you can, but I guess it work for the character development.:teylaanime08:

McKeller got me kind of tired with all her winning for the first 30 min. of the episode, she was taking Mckay's place.:mckay09:

Teyla, thought I like her character in this episode look to cruel and ruthless a mix of Rambo/Xena, and how many times she can get beaten? common.:tealcanime23:

And someone forgot her radio, unsuspected situation yes but you carried you weapon and radio and Med kit with you, not left behind, especially if you got hurt all ready. (and yes I hear she is there just to visit her people, so that means the place/planet is safe? for what I hear she thinks the Wriath is still a tread, that's why they gave them weapons):tealcanime49:

Keller shows she can rise t the occasion when she endures her pain/torture/and beats the air out of the guy, and the line "firts I need something to heal" is the one for this episode:jack_new_anime07:

And last but not least, I know Carter is not like here, but wth? is she or is she not the "leader" of the Atlantis Expedition, not even a reference of her name? just to said Carter gave the order, or I contact Carter or Carter is aware? what's wrong with the writer's? :samanime15:

Now I remember why I never got to like Weir, they always gave her place to someone else or took of from her character.:mckay:

Still not as bad as Travelers, 5/10

FoolishPleasure
November 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM
Very blah episode. Teyla was good. Keller was awful. Hour was SLOWWWWW. Once again, the fellas have to rescue the ladies. *yawn*

Hopefully next week will be better.

McKayManiacs92
November 9th, 2007, 09:45 PM
I didn't think it was that bad of a episode. I'm glad actually it wasn't another "Sheppard/Mckay" one, at least they had that. Although it wasn't the strongest of this season...

I liked how it kind of showed a little more in-depth into Teyla's story...and her past/ relationship with her people (she must visit them often).

Plus, I kind of thought it was funny how Keller at first was like a female Mckay, but she's still a little unique. I like it.

Kribby
November 9th, 2007, 09:47 PM
She looks in her first trimester, prime time for baby loss. :S

Are we talking about the actress (uh... Rachel Luttrell) or Teyla?

I am sure the stunt double took all the hard hits-- and did you see that sci fi insider video whatnot on scifi.com... from a few months ago. I can't remember if it was an anatomy of a fight scene or something.... it isn't like RL is really being hit... but Teyla... dunno.

In the last episode, Tabula Rasa, she was tossed across the floor on her stomach. I gotta say, I winced at that one.

But anyway... when a friend was pregnant, her doc. told her that miscarriages are significantly less common in women who have a strong girdle of stomach muscles-- built up from regular ab exercise and whatnot. (She had been concerned about jogging on a regular basis on the concrete sidewalks in herneighborhood, anyway...)

Freekzilla
November 9th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Ok episode. Not great. But atleast they left the base for a change. I'll bet the production's 2nd unit has fallen asleep since they've been so inactive lately. Not much location work so far this year. Personally, I find both Teyla and Keller's characters to be a bit boring. Not their fault though. People on the Atlantis expedition seem to get captured a lot. :mckay: Teyla's sudden existance of a man friend seems a bit rushed, and trite. Keller was spineless until the last 5 minutes. And why was it only Sheppard and Ronon that came to the resque? Would seem to be logical to me that if there is a potential for trouble, you'd bring in some backup, just in case. Better safe than sorry. Even if things had been alright, I think the Athosians would have appreciated a very concerned response from Atlantis.

But, we now know that the Wraith are looking for Atlantis. And that their human worshipers are posing as Genii. One thing though, I am still left wondering "what else is still out there?" I just wish they'd go out exploring more. And on this, I am still a bit disappointed.

I'll give this episode a 7/10, just because I'm feeling charitable and they at the least did develope Teyla and Keller instead of focusing on McWhiney for a change.

lirenel
November 9th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Huh, I'm surprised more people didn't like this episode. i found it very entertaining. As for Keller being a 'wimp', like someone else said, she's not used to this kind of thing. I liked her reactions because I have the feeling that I would be the same way if I found myself in that situation.

Anyway, I'd give it a 9/10.

Lythisrose
November 9th, 2007, 11:02 PM
I thought Keller was appropriately in shock given the circumstances and her history. Not everyone is action hero material. It's easy to look brave if you aren't afraid, but Keller definitely was having to overcome her terror and fear and came through it stronger. So I did see character growth for both her and Teyla.

female Wraith
November 9th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Very good episode. :)

ScifigirlSG
November 9th, 2007, 11:14 PM
good episode with Teyla and Keller.....more background info about characters..

left openings for other story arcs...

lord-anubis
November 9th, 2007, 11:18 PM
nice to see people other then me liked this ep when i frist started reading this theard i thought i was the only one. im a bit worryed about how the whole tyela being pregnant is going to work out it sounds like i really bad idea

majorsal
November 9th, 2007, 11:25 PM
the ep was excellent! :D

i really like teyla *and* keller! (they're both new for me) :D

there's not one complaint i can make from this ep except not referencing sam's orders about this or that. it was especially noticeable when sheppard was radioing teyla. but nothing earth shattering or something to throw one out of the story.

teyla kicked butt! :D she was violent, but it was honest and sober.

keller was very realistic in her fears and doubts. i saw no whining or moaning that wasn't just. and when keller hit the 'real' bad guy i said to my mom how brave she was.

the bad guys were really menacing and tough. at least to me. :p

i trusted that guy (the one keller treated) right up to a second before he hit teyla.

i really enjoyed watching the two ladies together. wonderful character moments and for this newbie, a wonderful way to fall for them.

i have one moment that my fellow sam/amanda whumper fans will understand... when teyla was in her first group fight, i was wishing sam had been in the scene too/instead. :o but teyla was great and my mom was yelling 'get 'em!' :p

a very solid and enjoyable episode.

:zelenka25: from me! :)




sally :D

morjana
November 9th, 2007, 11:37 PM
Stargate Atlantis - Missing- SciFi Channel SGA Site Updates Nov 9:


From the SciFi Channel's Stargate Atlantis site:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/

"Missing"

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/episodes.php?seas=4&ep=0405&act=1

* Episode synopsis
* Photos


Next NEW episode: "The Seer" - Friday, Nov. 16 - A man who can predict the future is brought to Atlantis. But his arrival places the city in a crossfire between two Wraith hive ships.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/seer.jpg

Trailer for "The Seer:"

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=181804


Alex Levine's Blog Update:

Learn more about this week's episode in the Stargate Blog!

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/


NEW: QUIZ

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/quiz_pic_expedition.jpg

The Atlantis Expedition Quiz

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/quizzes/expedition/index.php?start=1

Nov. 10, 2007

How well do you know the members of the Atlantis Expedition — not the top people, the other guys? Take our new trivia quiz and find out!



VIDEO (at SGA's new Featurettes section)

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php

NEW: Nov. 8, 2007

In part two of a continuing video Q&A series, Joe Flanigan (Dr. Samantha Carter [wow, that's news!]) fields fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=7

or

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=182814

Xenocide
November 9th, 2007, 11:40 PM
The warrior with the lollipop in his mouth was the only thing worth watching in this episode:lol:

Kliggins
November 9th, 2007, 11:45 PM
Just a meh episode for me, slow in parts, boring in others, but I didn't want to throw anything at the TV this week so I guess that is good.

KiLL3r
November 9th, 2007, 11:58 PM
i liked this episode. it wasnt exactly good but it wasnt bad either. the dude with the lollipop sent me into uncontrollable laughter for some reason :)


i think its a good episode for those "teyla doesnt get enough kickass scenes" people.

overall 7/10


any ideas to whats wrong with teyla? its not that pregnant thing ive heard about!?

morjana
November 10th, 2007, 12:07 AM
Oh.

My.

WOW!

Now THIS episode is my favorite so far in Season Four. And Missing is definitely in my top ten of SGA episodes. Kudos to Carl Binder on the script and director Andy Mikita.

What a fantastic episode!

Teyla was amazing, spectacular...and very Jack O'Neillish...

Her determination and strength is admirable.

And her actions regarding the Bola Kai -- hunting down the runner, killing the survivor -- were correct for the situation.

I was glad that Teyla let Keller tend to the "Genii" -- that is also something Jack O'Neill would have done.

When the lollipops were introduced, I kept wondering how Teyla was going to turn one of those into a weapon. I wasn't expecting one of the Bola Kai to eat one! LOL!

I LOVE Keller! Jewel Staite is fabulous. (Okay, I'm going to have to look for my Thesaurus now...) Keller tackling the guy was great, and she knew exactly where to shoot him to get the best results.

And you couldn't get me to cross that rope bridge either! Yikes!

I wonder why Keller didn't use one of the fallen Bola Kai's weapons to defend herself instead of that scalpel?

Nice character development. Teyla was having a "date" with Kanan, and they've been friends since childhood. Keller is from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin (yeah!), and the only family she has is her dad. I was surprised that Keller didn't invite Teyla to come home with her on her visit.

Wished we could have seen more of Danny Trejo (the Bola Kai leader) but the few minutes we had with him were more than convincing. If anyone can portray a cold-blooded killer, it's him!

The music was lovely; I loved the Stargate arrival on New Athos with Keller and Teyla; and way cool to see Rodney, Shep and Ronon exit the cloaking field of the puddle jumpter.

Truly marvelous to see the powerful women of SGA in this episode.

Out of ten, I'd rate this episode with 12 lollipops!

:)

Morjana

Agent_Dark
November 10th, 2007, 12:17 AM
hella prime episode. teyla pwning noobs is ftw. fairly brutal too, like axe to the gut and sword across the throat. good stuff.

morjana
November 10th, 2007, 12:20 AM
I knew the fake genii was bad news the moment I saw him. They would have been right to let him die. After all, why would the Genii be spying on the Athosians?

Teyla is Athosian.

Teyla knew the Genii first.

The Genii KNOW that Teyla is with Atlantis.

It's not too much of a stretch...to extrapolate then that the Genii might spy on the Athosians in hopes of finding out through them where Teyla is, and in finding Teyla, they find Atlantis.

Morjana

AnUbIs2004
November 10th, 2007, 12:21 AM
More episodes like this and they can cancel this series and I won't even notice. Within 10 minutes I was just bored, shortly after I just got up and went to do something else. So far this season there has not been one decent episode I can actually say I would watch again. Really, this show is getting to almost "Flash Gordon" production quality. This ep seems like it was written in 20 mintues by some guy sitting on the toilet.

Getting online now I took a look at the synopsis for the rest of the season, and I am shocked to say I have little to no interest in this show anymore, and this episode certainly helped put the nail in the coffin. Sad, I have been watch Stargate since it first aired some 10-11 years ago. I even liked the last 2 seasons of SG-1. But at least they were much more original than this dreck. I did not even bother to watch this when it aired, merely Tivo'd it, sad because there was a time Stargate would have been the ultimate priority when it aired.

retiredat44
November 10th, 2007, 12:23 AM
McKeller got me kind of tired with all her winning for the first 30 min. of the episode, she was taking Mckay's place.:mckay09:


I was pissed off after a few minutes of her whining....

I really liked the episode once it got past that...

I hope it's an episode that is critical to some future and/or present story line..

:tealc:

retiredat44
November 10th, 2007, 12:26 AM
So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

maybe it's from a Wraith Turkey Baster?

;)

KiLL3r
November 10th, 2007, 12:51 AM
maybe it's from a Wraith Turkey Baster?

;)

congratulations its a beautiful baby........ wraith!?:wraith37: wtf? :teyla26:

morjana
November 10th, 2007, 01:35 AM
And last but not least, I know Carter is not like here, but wth? is she or is she not the "leader" of the Atlantis Expedition, not even a reference of her name? just to said Carter gave the order, or I contact Carter or Carter is aware? what's wrong with the writer's?

In SG1's "Deadman Switch," Hammond was never mentioned.

Nor was Hammond mentioned in "Emancipation," "Demons," or "The Last Stand" either.

The writers shouldn't have to explain EVERYTHING.

Morjana

Alicia
November 10th, 2007, 02:48 AM
I'm glad actually it wasn't another "Sheppard/Mckay" one, at least they had that.

You're kidding me, right? The Sheppard/McKay eps are the best ever and at the moment, they're like the only episodes worth watching (when I see things like this ep in contrast).


Oh, and for the whole "Carter-not-being-mentionned"-thing? That's like the only positive thing you can say about this ep. (Apart from the actors-guessing-game between Sheppard and McKay, of course ;))

I think it's kind of funny, that there are actually people out there, who think this ep is a good one. Talk about different tastes...
As far as I'm concerned, it's not the worst ep of this season, but the worst SGA ep of all four seasons, so far.
I sincerelly hope it'll stay that way because with SGA, never before did I have the urge to turn off the TV without having watched till the end (and I am proud, that I actually DID hold out till the end, though I would certainly not have missed much if I had turned the thing off midway).

bluealien
November 10th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Fantastic Teyla episode. Great to see her finally get some good meaty stuff. Keller started out a bit whinny but I guess I can't really blame her.. but she got a lot better as the ep went on. Atlantis is much more then the McKay/Sheppard show for me and it was a treat to get something so good focused on the other team members.

The only bit I thought was totally forced was the secret boyfriend, but I'll keep my comments on that for the John/Teyla thread.

One of my fav eps so far

9/10

dannster
November 10th, 2007, 03:14 AM
Well, I must say that I don't usually like these kind of episodes (I call them "season fillers"), but this one was an exception!

I loved the interaction with them both, the mystery about the injured guy, where Teyla's people may be. It was good entertainment!

The downsides were that Dr. was wayyyy too winy, doing the whole "I'm so scared" routine and Teyla's acting wasn't the best!!

My only regret is reading spoilers to know what's going to be next with what the Dr tells Teyla! Damn!!! And I bet they won't mention it in the next episode...you know, drag it out til near the end of the season and then just slip it in with hardly any reference to it! :)

8/10

freetoken
November 10th, 2007, 03:29 AM
The last ten minutes or so seemed quite rushed, while the first 30 dragged on...

Best part was the last scene, by far.

The whole doctor-as-a-wimp thing doesn't fly too well... Are you telling me the IOC/SGC would send someone to be the senior doctor at a forward base in a known hostile enviroment that is not prepared for both outdoor expeditions and possible conflict?

And, the " 'cai" characters seemed to be freely borrowed from LOTR.

General conclusion: fairly uninspiring, and serves only to set up the introduction of the pregnancy.

Niteshadow
November 10th, 2007, 03:46 AM
The last ten minutes or so seemed quite rushed, while the first 30 dragged on...

Best part was the last scene, by far.

The whole doctor-as-a-wimp thing doesn't fly too well... Are you telling me the IOC/SGC would send someone to be the senior doctor at a forward base in a known hostile enviroment that is not prepared for both outdoor expeditions and possible conflict?

And, the " 'cai" characters seemed to be freely borrowed from LOTR.

General conclusion: fairly uninspiring, and serves only to set up the introduction of the pregnancy.

beckett didn't like going off world but he managaed

Linzi
November 10th, 2007, 03:59 AM
Hmmmm, I found this tedious - I found myself clock-watching. Keller was too scaredy-catty, Teyla was just warrior woman, and I found that disappointing. I'd hoped for much more for Teyla here. I hope, at least, that this is the start of a good arc for Teyla. I think to keep my interest, a 'B' plot was needed, as in Reunion. I adored the 'B' story in that one, and this needed it to keep my attention too. This is the weakest of season 4 so far for me. Like Travelers, this lacked a good story.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 10th, 2007, 04:40 AM
Ronan only had like 2 lines but they were both great. They need more of that. There's nothing funnier than watching Shep and Ronan trash Meredith. Well... except watching Meredith getting shot in the a** by an arrow...

andrewag
November 10th, 2007, 04:46 AM
I guess my opinion of this episode is opposite of most people. I enjoyed it especially having other characters take the spot light. That said, it's not an episode I would come back to watch but I enjoyed the 40 mins it went for.

Pegasus_SGA
November 10th, 2007, 05:16 AM
Okay, so I have to say, Teyla is scary when pissed! :lol: I certainly wouldn't want to get on her bad side. Must be those pesky hormones. ;)

Although a bit slow to start off with, I have to say I did enjoy it. It definately felt like a bonding excercise for the girls, and I think it achieved what it set out to do. There were some really good fight scenes for Teyla and we got to learn more about her and her people. For me that never gets old. We also got to know a bit more about the Doc's past.

I think for me i've struggled to relate to her. I've missed Carson in season 4 and i'm not ashamed to admit it. And it's taken me quite a while to get used to the new doc. I definatley think this episode helped integrating her into the team. I actually quite liked that Teyla got a bit pissy with her. :lol: I'm surprised she didn't slap her upside the head with the amount of whining she did. She is the female version of Rodney. :D With that said, I was very impressed with her towards the end when she finally understand the implications of just standing by and watching Teyla kick ass, a good lesson learned I think.

I can't get over how different Teyla was, and I think this ep gave us a sense of what a survivor she is. The part that cemented that for me was when the 'hunted' became the 'hunter'. It did shock me that she would go to such lengths to stay alive, not necessarily killing in combat, but the act that she went out of her way to kill one of Bola Kai. Great stuff!

I don't think I can compare this to the eps we've seen before, but for me it seemed a really good step up about what's to come. Not just the pregnancy arc, but the Bola Kai, the wraith worshipper and Teyla's turn to the dark side. Loved the boys to the rescue and I don't kow why, but I definately felt as if there was more of a sense of urgency with them finding the girls. For me it wasn't a case of rescuing the damsels in distress, they managed very well up to that point. It was definately more of, My friend's are in trouble, let's go.' Sort of thing. So again more team luff. :D

The most poignant part of the ep that I noticed was the infirmary scene. I noticed Teyla hardly looked at Shep during that whole conversation of them finding her people. Her words at the very end with regards that she will stop at nothing to find them, I think really scared the crap out of Shep. I don't think he's ever seen that side of her before.. well, not that I remember. So I think that could potentially be the turning point in their friendship and create some angst potential between them.

To end on a light note, I did laugh at the getting shot in the ass comment. :D And McKay's indignant reply. :lol:

Very good ep, and good set up for what's to come. :D I fear that Atlantis is going to the dark side. Squeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Story wise, there didn't seem to be a story, per se, more of a set up of what's to come. While I don't mind eps like that. I tend to feel that way when I know there's more to come, and it's like the build up of a two-parter and the first part is necessary to set up everything else.

justhere1971
November 10th, 2007, 05:32 AM
In SG1's "Deadman Switch," Hammond was never mentioned.

Nor was Hammond mentioned in "Emancipation," "Demons," or "The Last Stand" either.

The writers shouldn't have to explain EVERYTHING.

Morjana

But that's 3/4 episodes out of how many seasons?

justhere1971
November 10th, 2007, 05:33 AM
Hmmmm, I found this tedious - I found myself clock-watching. Keller was too scaredy-catty, Teyla was just warrior woman, and I found that disappointing. I'd hoped for much more for Teyla here. I hope, at least, that this is the start of a good arc for Teyla. I think to keep my interest, a 'B' plot was needed, as in Reunion. I adored the 'B' story in that one, and this needed it to keep my attention too. This is the weakest of season 4 so far for me. Like Travelers, this lacked a good story.

I totally agree. Even w/ falling asleep it didn't move fast enough, and I did FF when I could. But caught up to it about 10 till.

justhere1971
November 10th, 2007, 05:35 AM
You're kidding me, right? The Sheppard/McKay eps are the best ever and at the moment, they're like the only episodes worth watching (when I see things like this ep in contrast).


Oh, and for the whole "Carter-not-being-mentionned"-thing? That's like the only positive thing you can say about this ep. (Apart from the actors-guessing-game between Sheppard and McKay, of course ;))

I think it's kind of funny, that there are actually people out there, who think this ep is a good one. Talk about different tastes...
As far as I'm concerned, it's not the worst ep of this season, but the worst SGA ep of all four seasons, so far.
I sincerelly hope it'll stay that way because with SGA, never before did I have the urge to turn off the TV without having watched till the end (and I am proud, that I actually DID hold out till the end, though I would certainly not have missed much if I had turned the thing off midway).

IMO this episode was an example why McKay/Sheppard/Ronon are needed on screen for longer than 2 minutes.

elbo
November 10th, 2007, 05:43 AM
I liked nothing to this tribal episode. Sorry i'm generaly positive. Terrible boring plot who souldn't consumed more than 5-10 minutes.

And come on, i belive we passed the time when we go any off-world missions unarmed and let the expedition members out of contact for days. Or we suddenly forgot that PG is filled with Genii spies and operatives and Wraith worshipers and no planet is safe from the cullings.

And didn't those writers guys heard that they can develop characters without making main story forgot. And what is the point of developing them if you don't use them in the proper sci-fi context.

I know, i know there are fans who want to see their favorite messiah character in 20/20 episodes if were possible and we didn't loose all of them in S4, but i think that there are fans story orientated (the real sci-fi genere audience duh!) and i still wait another episode (after 'Lifeline') who target the story development.

And someone should suggest tptb few different forests to shoot their next tribal combat-survival episode.

Merlin7
November 10th, 2007, 05:46 AM
Boring and predictable. I zoned out/dozed off several times in the first half hour. Keller was way too whiny and who didn't see everything that happened coming? I was rolling my eyes and predicting everything right before it happened. From Keller's fall and hurt ankle, to her falling on the bridge, to her shooting whatshisface in the leg. Of course she wouldn't tell them about Atlantis. Blah blah. It's been done a million times on a million shows only done much better and with me actually being invested in the character. Keller is bland and bleh. I usually don't mind Teyla, in small doses, but she was OTT with the SToicism and she was actually rather pi$$y through the whole thing. Never will watch again. Not even for the cute Shep moments. Makes the top five of my worst eps list for the whole of SGA run.

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Hmmmm, I found this tedious - I found myself clock-watching. Keller was too scaredy-catty, Teyla was just warrior woman, and I found that disappointing. I'd hoped for much more for Teyla here. I hope, at least, that this is the start of a good arc for Teyla. I think to keep my interest, a 'B' plot was needed, as in Reunion. I adored the 'B' story in that one, and this needed it to keep my attention too. This is the weakest of season 4 so far for me. Like Travelers, this lacked a good story.

**Most of my statements are in a general context and not pertaining to the post of the individual, but I found her post gave me the stepping stone to mention a few things.

Oh actually I have to disagree. Several reasons. I found nothing compares to Travelers except the closest being TRW. But this episode was a grounding ep.

Although, I will say I did my own share of clock-watching when seeing this ep. But as a first ep to lay down some groundwork this was important.

I gave it several important marks and hence the reason it went up so much in my estimation. And it wasn't because of Teyla.

1. Iroquois (and strong amount of Native American tribes had rites of passage if not all)---Now I have always compared Teyla's people to the "tribal"/nomadic people of African and Native American "tribes" and it was interesting that within her story. I also related her religious practices and some actions to Indian practices. What was interesting was that, and keeeping in mind that Native Americans had egalitarian societies, Teyla was to go on a rite of passage. Normally it's rarely ever spoken of that women join these rites it's normally laid out for the boy and his growth into manhood. It was an interesting thing to see that it also marks a point to adulthood for Athosian (wasn't too moved by Keller's incredulity of that bit of fact).

2. Female Bonding ---Never once in this show have we ever ever ever had female bonding. Always when you think of bonding and using the contrast of character's it's the men. I'm surprised people don't see the similarities between this and The Defiant One (yes, I was clock-watching for that episode). It's not the same story but the fundamental building of a relationship and bonding of two people who inherently contrast each other to point where we see commonalities is blantantly seen in DO as it's seen here. Plus we see the formal bonding of John and McKay.

This ep provided that. I never once saw bonding of Teyla and Weir. Bloody hell...no matter what some people may think there was never once an established relationship on screen, because there was never anything to really bring them together. Suspicion provided a bonding on the professional level, a sort of "leadership" understanding; but nothing more. The rest in Sunday was an assumed relationship because of time. But no real definitive bonding has been done on screen for Weir/Teyla. As for Teyla/Heightmeyer---a weird friendship (I never saw Heightmeyer as a friend) since it was pyschiatrist versus patient. I never saw it as healthy and nothing really bonded them. Time was another cookie that was supposed to work in their favor, I never sensed that. Maybe because in Echoes when I felt that could have been used to show something fell through.

But this ep solidified a Keller/Teyla relationship and the first female bonding relationship on screen no matter the fact that it was simplistic and unoriginal. The Defiant One falls into the same categorization and still held a huge influence with the audience. It's interesting how the differentiation works out though.

3. Bola Kai ---definitely I find a far more entertaining and worthy group than the Travelers. I think, it's mainily because they're the first canabal group on SGA I've seen. Canabilism is quite interesting since in most "tribal" situations humans weren't really used as food (that was found in more "civilized" (un-nomadic) cultures like the Incas), only in battle were they're primary organs eaten...ie liver, heart, brain. In any event, this wasa interesting since I really liked them and made me want to see more---surprisingly enough.

4. Athosians are the new Early Navajo Tribe (ie Anasazi (excuse if there are those offended by the terminology) ---What could have taken the Athosians, was it Michael? Wraith related? Was it wraith worshippers? Maybe Genii?

Are we seeing a similar situation to what happened to Roanoke Island with nomadic people's instead? Are we seeing a similar episode that happened to the "Basket Makers" (Anasazi ---not their formal name (origins are roughly unknown)? (We're looking at the "Basketmakers" not the Pueblo). Or possibly a re hashing of the first African diaspora? <---if you believe in the origins of people from South Africa then migration towards the world.

For those who don't know the "Basket Makers" apparently they were a people around the Arizona territory [the territory I'm speaking of the disappearance, although it occurred all over for these groups of people] (to be more specific...Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah), a Native American group that basically just disappeared in one part of the US. Leaving behind an advanced irrigation system, cliff dwellings (similar to apartments), and their utensils and baskets---yet no people. The dynamic aspect was that it wasn't a normal disappearance or movement. Everything was left in it's original state, like a bowl was found on the ground next to a heating pit, or baskets left half weaved...they just seemed to disappear in a puff of smoke (basically it was extinction but with no reason). No bodies were left behind, (normally the old were left behind if they could not flee) but no humans remains were found in their dwelling spaces. Interesting how that works out.

Okay, so maybe the majority of people in the US don't have my background of interest and saw that on screen. I don't know many people who care or know of the Anasazi...I'm a fluke of my generation. :mckay:

So what I saw moved up my interest on situation at hand. It could also be why I find my self more so interested in the fate of the Athosians and thought this was a great way to bring that forth on screen. Interseting story since this guy Noble/Nable could know or not know and it could be Michael related/ Wraith related/ or not at all and just a crazy migration similar to the Anasazi ("Basketmakers").


Normally, I don't really praise eps like this since I didn't praise The Defiant One (except on the level of John/McKay bonding), but this has more elements involved in it rather than just the weak woman versus the strong woman contrast. Which was well done here. I like juxtaposition storylines and the fact that there are more stories written to answer the questions brought up in this ep. :S

Classic
November 10th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Hmmmm, I found this tedious - I found myself clock-watching. Keller was too scaredy-catty, Teyla was just warrior woman, and I found that disappointing. I'd hoped for much more for Teyla here. I hope, at least, that this is the start of a good arc for Teyla. I think to keep my interest, a 'B' plot was needed, as in Reunion. I adored the 'B' story in that one, and this needed it to keep my attention too. This is the weakest of season 4 so far for me. Like Travelers, this lacked a good story.

I agree. To me, Teyla just seemed angry all hour (instead of upset) and Keller was a little TOO scared. And I definitely think there could have been more of a B storyline. I was almost bored watching it. I did like (1) seeing the big bad guys (I can't even think of the name of the alien race) periodically sucking on the lollipops and (2) the name-that-Batman evil character/actor game that McKay and Sheppard were playing. Having watched Batman as a kid, I found myself yelling at the TV when they were not coming up with the answers fast enough! :)

Pegasus_SGA
November 10th, 2007, 06:29 AM
In SG1's "Deadman Switch," Hammond was never mentioned.

Nor was Hammond mentioned in "Emancipation," "Demons," or "The Last Stand" either.

The writers shouldn't have to explain EVERYTHING.

Morjana

I agree, while I did feel it was warranted in Travelers, for some reason I didn't feel I missed the whole, 'God speed' thing here as much. Not sure why though. :S


You're kidding me, right? The Sheppard/McKay eps are the best ever and at the moment, they're like the only episodes worth watching (when I see things like this ep in contrast).


Oh, and for the whole "Carter-not-being-mentionned"-thing? That's like the only positive thing you can say about this ep. (Apart from the actors-guessing-game between Sheppard and McKay, of course ;))

I think it's kind of funny, that there are actually people out there, who think this ep is a good one. Talk about different tastes...
As far as I'm concerned, it's not the worst ep of this season, but the worst SGA ep of all four seasons, so far.
I sincerelly hope it'll stay that way because with SGA, never before did I have the urge to turn off the TV without having watched till the end (and I am proud, that I actually DID hold out till the end, though I would certainly not have missed much if I had turned the thing off midway).

Why is it funny people like different things. The first time everyone agrees on an ep, I might actually have to forgo talking on here!! :eek:

I don't think SGA needs to be all about Shep and McKay, they do just as well in team centered eps as they do in character centered eps. And I love Rodney/Shep banter. So I disagree with you here.


The last ten minutes or so seemed quite rushed, while the first 30 dragged on...

Best part was the last scene, by far.

The whole doctor-as-a-wimp thing doesn't fly too well... Are you telling me the IOC/SGC would send someone to be the senior doctor at a forward base in a known hostile enviroment that is not prepared for both outdoor expeditions and possible conflict?

And, the " 'cai" characters seemed to be freely borrowed from LOTR.

General conclusion: fairly uninspiring, and serves only to set up the introduction of the pregnancy.

How do you prepare a doctor or anyone for that matter for canabilistic aliens? Until you're placed in that sort of situation it's hard to know how you'll cope. Some will dive into the thick of it others won't. At least the doc find her feet in the end, even if she did need her ass kicked to get there. :lol:

Did you not think you learned some things about Teyla and Doc K in this apart from the pregnancy aspect?


beckett didn't like going off world but he managaed

And so did Keller... eventually. :P I have to say I still miss Carson, and am still not quite sure about Keller, but this ep has helped.... for me anyway.


<cut by me, because you're a chatterbox. :lol:>

1. Iroquois (and strong amount of Native American tribes had rites of passage if not all)---Now I have always compared Teyla's people to the "tribal"/nomadic people of African and Native American "tribes" and it was interesting that within her story. I also related her religious practices and some actions to Indian practices. What was interesting was that, and keeeping in mind that Native Americans had egalitarian societies, Teyla was to go on a rite of passage. Normally it's rarely ever spoken of that women join these rites it's normally laid out for the boy and his growth into manhood. It was an interesting thing to see that it also marks a point to adulthood for Athosian (wasn't too moved by Keller's incredulity of that bit of fact).

I agree rites of passage are very male orientated, and so for me it gave me an insight into her culture and how the Athosians deal with their children having to live with the threat of being culled, and to teach them survival skills from an early age. I think with Keller she was trying to bond with her, and therefore came up with a similar anecdote in an attempt to find some common ground. I don't think the Doc realised just how warrior-esque Teyla was, as up to that point, she's only seen the softer side of her hasn't she. So i think Teyla freaked her out a bit, and she was trying to ind a way in to understand her. She didn't do very well. :lol: But she got points for trying. :P


2. Female Bonding ---Never once in this show have we ever ever ever had female bonding. Always when you think of bonding and using the contrast of character's it's the men. I'm surprised people don't see the similarities between this and The Defiant One (yes, I was clock-watching for that episode). It's not the same story but the fundamental building of a relationship and bonding of two people who inherently contrast each other to point where we see commonalities is blantantly seen in DO as it's seen here. Plus we see the formal bonding of John and McKay.

I agree this was a first real step to establish the women's relationship. We've seen a tonne of it from the boys perspective and from Teyla and the boys perspective, but not from the women's. So this was something new and interesting.



3. Bola Kai ---definitely I find a far more entertaining and worthy group than the Travelers. I think, it's mainily because they're the first canabal group on SGA I've seen. Canabilism is quite interesting since in most "tribal" situations humans weren't really used as food (that was found in more "civilized" (un-nomadic) cultures like the Incas), only in battle were they're primary organs eaten...ie liver, heart, brain. In any event, this wasa interesting since I really liked them and made me want to see more---surprisingly enough.


I think both have very different things to offer. I actually like the fact that they're inferring that the Bola Kai are canablistic in nature as it adds to another depth that being hunters' they have to rely on their skills as that, rather than shoot and run type of bad guys.

MartianManhunter
November 10th, 2007, 06:40 AM
Well, I must say that I don't usually like these kind of episodes (I call them "season fillers"), but this one was an exception!

I loved the interaction with them both, the mystery about the injured guy, where Teyla's people may be. It was good entertainment!

The downsides were that Dr. was wayyyy too winy, doing the whole "I'm so scared" routine and Teyla's acting wasn't the best!!

My only regret is reading spoilers to know what's going to be next with what the Dr tells Teyla! Damn!!! And I bet they won't mention it in the next episode...you know, drag it out til near the end of the season and then just slip it in with hardly any reference to it! :)

8/10

If your talking about Teylas story arc this season, then you wont have to wait long. They do talk about it in next weeks episode and hopefully we'll get a little more info.

As for the episode it was great, maybe not the best but all in all I enjoyed it, although I was expecting more from Teyla than her just being an amazon again, but there are still more episodes to be watched so im hopeing!

lumen11
November 10th, 2007, 06:44 AM
Not too bad.

Teyla did seem surprisingly hard and angry, but that actually makes quite a lot of sense for a people who have been living under the constant threat of the wraith. In a situation like the one portrayed in this episode she should be a little more verocious, so to speak, than your typical earthling.

About Keller being a wimp. Why is it that, when for the first time there is a character in Atlantis that has an actual clearly identifyable weakness, people don't like it? You'd think it would feel fresh. I mean Ronan's gruffness and McKay's neuroticism have never really been weaknesses and Carter, at the other end of this (limited) spectrum is damn near perfect -- which can get a little boring at times.

So far this season appears to be a little more edgier than the previous ones. The fights are harder, the clothes are darker, the people less perfect -- like Keller being a wimp and Shephard and Carter who, from what I understand, are going to but heads which is a nice development. Overall, I like this season, and this episode, although not the best, fits in nicely.

Alicia
November 10th, 2007, 07:25 AM
I don't think SGA needs to be all about Shep and McKay, they do just as well in team centered eps as they do in character centered eps. And I love Rodney/Shep banter. So I disagree with you here.

I think, you got me wrong, there. I do love Shep/McKay eps, true (I even think, they are the best), but I also love their banter and I also love team centered eps (as long as there's a bit McKay-Sheppard friendship stuff in it, too). AND I'm also not averse to character-centric eps as long as there is lots of team in there, too, and as long as the others are not neglected.
But this ep was neither of the above. McKay and Shep and also Ronon had so little time in this ep (that was like what? 4 minutes tops?) and there were like two scenes of Shep and McKay together - that was way too little!
That's, in my opinion, what made the ep so boring (for me). It was only ever Teyla and Keller. (Add to that, like someone already mentioned, that you could forsee the entire story arc.)

I guess I was also really disappointed because so far, for me, there have been really great eps in this season, especially Doppelganger and Adrift and also the third season had lots and lots of great eps - and now something like that.
Well, me, I hope that next week's ep will be better (well, that shouldn't be much of a challenge) and then I can forget about this ep alltogether and never have to watch it again.

JackHarkness_Hot
November 10th, 2007, 07:45 AM
It's somehow good to see Teyla be prepared for situations like these. Vengeful -- who needs Ray Mears when you got her, LOL The Genii-poser survivor was really really annoying, Keller shouldn't have saved him and Teyla should have killed him where he laid. I would have got a sharp branch and stabbed through his abdomen to ensure he's pinned down permanently. When it comes to food, I wouldn't have minded eating whatever crawls up the ground, it's all protein, as long as it's washed first, LOL

Generally, it's an alright episode -- Ronan asking stupid questions to things he obviously have no idea what it is about, is starting to rub me the wrong way. He did it in the previous episode, he should be more like Teyla or Teal'c, unsure what is said or how to reply, raise an eyebrow! Look puzzled! But for heaven's sake, don't ask stupid questions! RAWR!

I did enjoy the scene featuring Teyla fighting off several men, reminded me a lot of Xena: Warrior Princess. 'You go GIRRRRLLLLL!' :D also Keller stepping up the courage to fire the pistol, very good. It's a pity that they didn't find the Athosian people. The ending scene was beautiful, this episode I would catergorise as a chick-ep and oohh - first hint of Teyla being pregnant!

8/10 I reckon.

Vala_M
November 10th, 2007, 08:11 AM
Yeah-- her booty was well kicked in this episode...
The Athosian lover plot jump is... well, a jump. It is logical, but forced.

I think Sheppard and Co. tracked Teyla's radio signal to the packs... and found the packs and that sort of explains how they ended up kicking the bad guy's butts... because they tracked the signal to the camp.

Remember how in Season 9? Season 10? of SGA how SG1 had epidermis tracking implants? It would be a good connection for the SGA expedition members to have similar implants.

I gotta say... not missing Carter (even though I am a fan).

The Atlantis team as them as well, that is how they found Sheppard in "Common Ground", but they don't get used as often in Atlantis as they do in SG-1.

Vala,

GateLadyM
November 10th, 2007, 08:27 AM
This gets a "C-" from me. Teyla was a bit too harsh. For 3 years we've seen her back away from fights and always try the reasoning approach, but now she slaughters everyone in sight. When she killed those first 3 dudes, why didn't she try asking them where the Athosians had gone? Its fun to see Teyla kick butt, but it was a teeny bit too out of character for my taste.

Keller. Sigh. I wanted Teyla to slap her, just once. This little girl came to an off world base and knew she would have to face aliens, strange situations, etc., so why did she act like a 5 year old on Halloween? They were trying to hide but she kept whining, crying, yelling for Teyla, screaming. Sheesh, I so wanted Teyla to just toss her off that bridge! That's how annoying Keller has become to me.

The ending completely sucked. Once again, Sheppard has to rescue Teyla (and the wuss doctor). I thought for SURE Teyla would find her own way out of this situation, in fact the writers should have had Sheppard get captured and Teyla have to rescue HIM!

Thumbs down on this turkey.

Lady Snow
November 10th, 2007, 08:35 AM
Sadly, the only redeeming part for me was the fact that Keller's from Chippewa Falls. Rock on, home of Leinenkugel's!

Klenotka
November 10th, 2007, 08:37 AM
I am not sure....the episode started to be interesting somewhere in the middle and it seemed too long to me.
I never liked Teyla. I didn´t like her even as a person and her presence was most of the time pointless and her character useless.

Why didn´t they mention Athosians before in this season? They moved to New Athos in 3x11 so why now?
And she has a boyfriend? All of sudden? They could have at least mentioned him before.

Good points for their attempt to make a female episode. I liked Carson but Keller´s attitude was more believeable than Carson´s P-90 actions in later episodes. I like Jewel and I like her Keller, too. So I have, finally, some favorite female character in SGA. With Teyla and Carter around, it was really hard.

But, Teyla needed some development. It was sudden and little rushed but at least they did something and now it could be a bit better.
And I have to admire Rachel that she was able to make those fight scenes in her state. On the other side, this fight scenes were usually scenes I never liked.

I love McKay and I love McKay/Sheppard banting (when is it well done) and I missed it here a little. But their scenes, including Ronon, were great. Three boys, teasing each other, it was nice :)

I don´t know, average, I think. One point up for absence of Carter. And one point for warriors with lollipops :D

Sweetsong
November 10th, 2007, 08:45 AM
I did enjoy the scene featuring Teyla fighting off several men, reminded me a lot of Xena: Warrior Princess.

Only difference is that Xena would have beat the dozen or so Bolo Kai that converged on them and Garbrielle.. err Keller would have been safe.

I must admit I liked Teyla's buckskins, or whatever the brown leather outfit she was wearing would be called.

Jumper_One
November 10th, 2007, 08:53 AM
just watched this episode and it's actually really nice (not that I expected something bad). sure we don't get to see much of Shep, Rodney or Ronon (no Sam) since it's a Teyla/Keller ep but that's okay as this is really more of a character development ep for both of them imo. especially Keller has her moments and after watching it I kinda find it easier to accept her as the new CMO in Atlantis. plus I think it's nice of her to mention Beckett

as for the ep itself I liked the hide and seek style. though I didn't really buy how Keller hurt her ankle but it didn't bother me. as somebody else said the new 'villains' are most likely a LOTR rip off but wth. I also liked the twist with the guy Keller saved. something wasn't right about his story anyway so I was expecting something to happen. did Keller have some basic training in shooting stuff or how could she suddenly exactly hit the guy's leg? of course in the end Shep and the others save the day but that was to be expected. oh and the talk in the PJ, classic Rodney: 'yeah well arrows can hurt too.' lol

overall a very nice episode, looking forward to next week!

Lord batchi ball
November 10th, 2007, 08:55 AM
This was the first episode of the season that was exciting and you were suprised by just about everything.
Like the wraith worshiper and the cannibals.

And the leader of the moliki (spelling?) who was he I know he has been in alot of shows but whats his name?

I also hope they bring them back, that would be great.

Oh and I have a theory on how the wraith figured out where the Ashothians were. The Ancients sent them there and the Asurans would have probed thier minds and found out where they sent them.
Then the wraith captured that asuran so they might have been able to go through their commucation data like the Asgard did with thw MW reps.
IDK just a thought.

kymeric
November 10th, 2007, 08:55 AM
NOT ARROWS!!!!!!!
Loved teh eppy

Teyla was hard, but not too hard considering her ppl were all dead. When they were in the cage i kept waiting for her to taunt the guards about how they were about to die.

Lol wisconsin

Learned abit about Teyla, theyd been hinting romance stuff for her for awhile

I was glad to see the athosians written off as a plot, its something ive started thread on b4. Angry violent teyla is hot! Anger is the first reaction to loss. Makes sense a fiter would go hack some cavemen to deth.

And really for keller... how many nerds do you know that could kill a man? Or even shoot a man, nerds r p^ssies, thats why they build huge brain, so they dont have to fite.

Nice rope bridge!

Hay its that mexican guy from machete and devils rejects!

Cannibals in a galaxy of super advanced spiderppl cannibals, makes sense.

Teylas coat is HAWT! /purr

*Oda*
November 10th, 2007, 09:00 AM
I didn't like this episode. Too much Teyla and Keller in one episode.
Keller reminded me of McKay with all that whining, in a good way. Made me giggle. :P

Teyla seemed waaaaaay to cold and brutal. She's not like that in other episodes and that's the part that I disliked the most.
There were some fighting scenes there which made it interesting and the plot was ok, too, I guess. But, I don't know, there was just something missing.... IMHO ;)

Lord batchi ball
November 10th, 2007, 09:22 AM
I didn't like this episode. Too much Teyla and Keller in one episode.
Keller reminded me of McKay with all that whining, in a good way. Made me giggle. :P

Teyla seemed waaaaaay to cold and brutal. She's not like that in other episodes and that's the part that I disliked the most.
There were some fighting scenes there which made it interesting and the plot was ok, too, I guess. But, I don't know, there was just something missing.... IMHO ;)

Not trying to infringe on your own thoughts but how did you want Teyla to act? She was the leader of her people,responsible for thier safety, and they were taken by the wraith.

She was mad at herself and the Wraith.

Was she supposed to be happy and excited while her people were taken by life-suckers?

IDK just throwing it out there.:D

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 09:41 AM
After watching people debate Stargate for the past year, I am finally ready to voice my opinion and get involved with the arguements. My personal opinion about Missing was mediocre. It coul have been better and it could have been worse.?* Even though it wasn't the greatest it showed character development for Keller and Teyla. Look forward to posting ?*?*?*?*?*?*?* -jelgate

*Oda*
November 10th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Not trying to infringe on your own thoughts but how did you want Teyla to act? She was the leader of her people,responsible for thier safety, and they were taken by the wraith.

She was mad at herself and the Wraith.

Was she supposed to be happy and excited while her people were taken by life-suckers?

IDK just throwing it out there.:D

No no, I meant she was cold about that injured guy (forgot his name lol :p).
Anyway, she just told Keller to leave him because he's slowing them down- that really struck me. That was not the Teyla I know.
I know that they were being chased and all, but that part never stopped them before, even if they were on a hive ship full of Wraith.
See my point? ;)

elrondaragorn
November 10th, 2007, 09:51 AM
find out what? The episode ends whithout saying what she found out


So Keller's to find out first ... interestingly Teyla seemed very uncomfortable with her bringing it up. Darting eyes and all. I would like to see what happens with this.
I fell asleep middle of it. ;) Seemed like an OK episode though.

AGateFan
November 10th, 2007, 09:52 AM
No no, I meant she was cold about that injured guy (forgot his name lol :p).
Anyway, she just told Keller to leave him because he's slowing them down- that really struck me. That was not the Teyla I know.
I know that they were being chased and all, but that part never stopped them before, even if they were on a hive ship full of Wraith.
See my point? ;)
Yeah that struck me as odd too. Although it was obvious (should have been to Teyla) that he was lying about being a Genii. And finding him just tied up an laying in the middle of the forest is odd. If the guy was obviously lying what were you going to do with him even if you got back to the gate....take him to Atlantis? Wait while he dialed his home first? They should have just left him in the blind and said to keep quite and they would come back for him, or something.

talyn2k1
November 10th, 2007, 09:52 AM
As this was advertised as a Teyla/Keller ep, I wasn't really expecting much as I plain don't like the Teyla character. That and I figured the ep would probably just feature her kicking ass but with no viable plot.

I must admit though I did kind of like this episode. I still can't figure out the personality of Teyla. She's spent the last three years being the moral voice of the team, then she wants to leave an injured man behind to either bleed to death or get eaten. I know she was pissed off but it just seemed like to much of an about-turn for the character.
Back to why I kind of liked this episode - Keller. I didn't really know what to expect from the character but after this ep I really quite like her. Other than the fact that she is incredibly cute when she's scared :D, she comes across as very human and I think that's something most people can relate to, although I thought it was slightly overdone in a few places.
If I were one of the writers and were choosing a new antagonist, I would definitely pick the Bola Kai over the Travellers. I know they wanted an advanced society, but the Bola Kai are already more interesting to me than the Travellers, and we only had one of them speaking for 5 minutes.
Rope bridge stunt was good and Shep & Co coming to the rescue was predictable but that didn't really bother me.

Bravo to the writers for having a go at developing Teyla after leaving her in the background for three years, but I feel they missed the mark a little on this one. I look forward to a better effort in the upcoming Teyla arc.
And more scared Keller please. Pretty please... :D

7/10 from me.

Looking at the remaining season line up, next week's looks a little dodgy but all the eps between there and Harmony look very promising.

elrondaragorn
November 10th, 2007, 09:53 AM
whe was it said that Teyla was Pregnant? How do you know when the episode ended without saying what Keller found out?


Teyla got beat like a red headed step child in this one. I particularly remember the mean kick the lead Bola Kai gave her after she accused them of being wraith worshippers.

I find this new found lover Athosian they cooked up to explain Teyla's pregnancy kind of forced. I would have been fine with someone from Atlantis being a daddy.

Also, why didn't Sheppard and Co. just track Teyla's radio signal when they were trying to figure out how to locate them? Teyla and Kellar were still in the cage when the Bola Kai reported they had seen the jumper come through the gate, and her radio was not far off.

Overall this was a really awesome episode, there was alot going on but it worked. The carter haters will be happy that this one was Carter free as well.

Devine27
November 10th, 2007, 09:59 AM
I loved this episode and think Teyla and Keller did great jobs. Character wise, I often see Teyla as a warrior first and then a leader. She often does, says, or expresses what’s best for the group as a whole (her team/her people/innocent bystanders), instead of what’s best for only herself. So, for me, it made sense that she would do what was necessary to protect Keller and for them to survive.

As for her reaction to the Bola Kai, that made sense as well. The Athosians are/were Teyla’s people, her family. Her whole reason for living and working with the Lanteans (spl) is to provide hope and a future for her people by destroying the Wraith. To find out that they were killed (which she believed the Bola Kai had a hand in ) is the same as if you’d found out a loved one had been murdered. If you could get your hands on the killer, what would you do? EXACTLY!

The brief mention of a previous relationship didn’t bother me. Since we have no idea how often Teyla visited her people of what happened when she did, I didn’t find it surprising that we would only here of it now. (How the baby idea will play out this season …….I’ll just wait and see. Considering that Travelers wasn’t as bad as I thought it could be, I’ll give TPTB some credit and hope for the best.)

Dr. Keller was very annoying, but redeemed herself when she lied during questioning and then shot that irritating guy.

At the end, I was glad to see that Keller and Teyla had bonded a bit. After the loss of Carson, Dr. Hewston (Sunday), Elizabeth, Heightmeyer and her people, she could use a new friend.

So let’s see:
1. Fighting – check
2. Character development – check
3. Mystery of the Athosians – check
4. Bonding – check
5. More fighting and torture – check
6. John/McKay banter – check
7. Ronon makes fun of McKay – check
8. Team concern – check
9. Rescue – check
10. Mystery/surprise at the end - check

All the necessary ingredients are there and some of you still aren’t happy? Man, you’re a tough crowd! :S

Homeslice55
November 10th, 2007, 10:05 AM
I am usually overly ciritical, but i liked this episode... probably because I am one of the tens of Teyla fans.

What was up with the lollipops? At first, I thought, "Ha, it looks like he has got a lollipop in his mouth...oh wait, it is!?"

Jumper_One
November 10th, 2007, 10:09 AM
I am usually overly ciritical, but i liked this episode... probably because I am one of the tens of Teyla fans.

What was up with the lollipops? At first, I thought, "Ha, it looks like he has got a lollipop in his mouth...oh wait, it is!?"

haha I thought that was great. they picked up Keller's bag and found them. hilarious :)

fuchsia
November 10th, 2007, 10:09 AM
whe was it said that Teyla was Pregnant? How do you know when the episode ended without saying what Keller found out?

I guess it's a spoiler if you didn't know the writers were going to incorporate Rachel Luttrell's pregnancy into the series.
Then again we don't know if that is what Keller is referring to at the end of the episode - she might have found something else.
But it's unlikely.

In my opinion (humble of course), deciding to write the pregnancy in was a massive mistake.
However they explain the baby, and whatever they do to him/her in the end, Teyla will be forever different, and I don't think that's a good thing... not for future stories or ships.

Whoever said 'babies kill sci-fi' was right.

AGateFan
November 10th, 2007, 10:10 AM
I am usually overly ciritical, but i liked this episode... probably because I am one of the tens of Teyla fans.

What was up with the lollipops? At first, I thought, "Ha, it looks like he has got a lollipop in his mouth...oh wait, it is!?"
At the beginning of the show they made a point of showing Keller packing lollipops and she told Telya they were for the kids (since she was trying to make a good impression). I thought it was a nice gesture but later realized it was just to setup that joke.

Avenger
November 10th, 2007, 10:10 AM
I thought it was a great episode too. Staite was really good in the episode.

mrtwidlywinks
November 10th, 2007, 10:11 AM
i thought this was a good episode. this whole season has been good-it's been focusing less on sheppard and mckay and more on the lesser-seen characters and atlantis itself

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 10:40 AM
First write, then read...

WHUMPAGE!!!

I finally found an episode that I ... *gasp* ...like. It truly lived up to my expectations (which mind you weren't that high cause I was afraid to get them crushed again).

Teyla got to kick a$$, and Rachel had something meaty to sink her acting teeth into (finally). Loved the banter between Teyla and Jennifer. Laughed quite a few times at Keller's reactions to stuff happening.
There was some really great dialogue.

The fightsequences were fabulously done. The second one did remind me of River fighting the Reavers in Serenity (for those who know what I'm talking about anyway). Though River won, Teyla got her behind kicked badly.

Random thought -> I'm smiling which definitely means this was a good episode.

Okay, what else...

Err... oh, the part with that animal... that was gross! Ugh, disgusting. I'll never look at a squid quite the same way again, I'm afraid. :S

So, the Athosians are gone. Where have they gone off too? Who got to them? Or is this just a ploy from TPTB to get rid of them for good without ever explaining what happened to them. Did the Athosians get Ford'ed?
I feel like they have, which is so far the only negative about this episode I can think of.

I'm definitely going to be watching this again (obviously when I'm editing). It's definitely worth a rewatch, and oh goddess the potential fic that could come from this one. May have to ignore a certain aspect or spin it a bit... but potential nonetheless.

I love Keller. And I'm so happy with Teyla having a whole episode all to herself. *sigh* For now I'm happy.

I'll be back if I should have forgotten something...

GATEGOD
November 10th, 2007, 10:42 AM
so is teyla pregnant? >.<

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 10:47 AM
so is teyla pregnant? >.<

No. It's indigestion. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/teylaanime16.gif

MartianManhunter
November 10th, 2007, 10:48 AM
whe was it said that Teyla was Pregnant? How do you know when the episode ended without saying what Keller found out?

Its in the spoilers.

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 10:49 AM
I guess it's a spoiler if you didn't know the writers were going to incorporate Rachel Luttrell's pregnancy into the series.Then again we don't know if that is what Keller is referring to at the end of the episode - she might have found something else.But it's unlikely.In my opinion (humble of course), deciding to write the pregnancy in was a massive mistake.?* However they explain the baby, and whatever they do to him/her in the end, Teyla will be forever different, and I don't think that's a good thing... not for future stories or ships. Whoever said 'babies kill sci-fi' was right. I don't disagree with you but the producers didn't have much of a choice with Rachel Luttrell's pregancy. I onl see three options
1. Bring actor's pregancy into show.
2. Have Teyla leave Atlantis for unknown reasons
3. Use different camera angles to hide pregancy
I should also mention that I hate it when TV shows use camera angles to hide pregancy's I feel like the camera crew think we won't notice. I hate to brek it to them, I noticed it

elrondaragorn
November 10th, 2007, 10:49 AM
Why do babies have to change a character negatively and spoil sci-fi at all? I don't understand your reasoning.


I guess it's a spoiler if you didn't know the writers were going to incorporate Rachel Luttrell's pregnancy into the series.
Then again we don't know if that is what Keller is referring to at the end of the episode - she might have found something else.
But it's unlikely.

In my opinion (humble of course), deciding to write the pregnancy in was a massive mistake.
However they explain the baby, and whatever they do to him/her in the end, Teyla will be forever different, and I don't think that's a good thing... not for future stories or ships.

Whoever said 'babies kill sci-fi' was right.

Wayston
November 10th, 2007, 10:57 AM
not bad although I'm not a big fan of episodes that don't focus on the overarching storyline.

I think it's understandable that Teyla was in cold hearted survivor mode since:

- all the information she had pointed towards either savage brutes murdering her people or savage brutes working with the wraith to abduct her people.
- she had an untrained, wounded & defenceless but valuable member of the atlantis expedition to take care of.

When faced with a choice between survival of her and Keller and survival of a stranger who clearly had a double agenda whatever it was it's logical to go with the first. They were pretty realistic decisions.

As for Keller there were a few moments that bugged me. Most notably all the loud screaming (great we're being hunted by what you think are cannibal beasts so let's start bellowing out loud girly screams in every scene) and the reluctance to eat the food (I'd say that if you can stomach being a docter you can stomach ugly food...). The part in the beginning where she decides to climb the mountain with a heavy backback in spite of knowing she is no match for an outside environment is a bit too easy story wise too (she needed to sustain an injury in a seemingly plausible way I suppose...).

Finally I would have preferred it if the episode had panned out in a way that made sheppard's team look (more) silly.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 10th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Where was I (my (non-Vista) laptop crashed). Pretty good episode. Me and Dr. Keller have something in common, we're both from Wisconsin and we're not very good athletes. These kinds of episodes are very interesting, and somewhat enjoy them. Next week's episode looks interesting.

Fatewarns
November 10th, 2007, 11:24 AM
As this was advertised as a Teyla/Keller ep, I wasn't really expecting much as I plain don't like the Teyla character. That and I figured the ep would probably just feature her kicking ass but with no viable plot.

I must admit though I did kind of like this episode. I still can't figure out the personality of Teyla. She's spent the last three years being the moral voice of the team, then she wants to leave an injured man behind to either bleed to death or get eaten. I know she was pissed off but it just seemed like to much of an about-turn for the character.
Back to why I kind of liked this episode - Keller. I didn't really know what to expect from the character but after this ep I really quite like her. Other than the fact that she is incredibly cute when she's scared :D, she comes across as very human and I think that's something most people can relate to, although I thought it was slightly overdone in a few places.

I agree with you, but I always suspected that Teyla had the ability to be as cold as ice mainly because how she grew up. So its nice to know I was right.

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Go figure... half the thread doesn't like the episode, and I do ... for once. *headdesk*

Okay, I'll shut up now... *sprints off to dinner*

SaberBlade
November 10th, 2007, 11:46 AM
I must admit I really liked this, and I have to also say quite surprised by it.

I thought this episode was definitely one of the best this season, I thought that Teyla and Keller had great chemistry, they worked in how Teyla's pregnant very well and so early that it still leaves open the possibility that it could be related to 'Vengeance' or because of Teyla's new relationship. It had little to do with Rodney or even Sheppard which was a great bonus (as they get too much attention) and they even included Rodney getting show in the ass during 'Sateda'. I also liked the fact we got to see Teyla just be badass for a change. She's a great fighter, no doubt, but we never see her pissed off and out for blood like she was in this episode so it was a nice change.

On top of that, we've got the Pegasus version of Reavers (Firefly) running about and what could be a new enemy or maybe even a twist on an old one.

Hopefully Danny Trejo will return again.

fuchsia
November 10th, 2007, 11:50 AM
Why do babies have to change a character negatively and spoil sci-fi at all? I don't understand your reasoning.

I just mean that having a baby changes your perspective, shifts your focus and will make others react differently to you.
For the character of Teyla who is a tough, kick-ass kind of gal, it might just be the kiss of death.

I don't like the idea that it has changed the direction of the show - I don't want heart-warming baby scenes or, heaven forbid, team babysitting!!!
Atlantis is not that kind of show, or at least, I don't want it to be that kind of show.... again MHO.

Of course they might think of some plot device to get rid of it (sorry to sound so callous, but I'm talking about the fictitious baby)

I remember Gillian Anderson being pregnant in x files and the writers took her out for a while and just tried to hide her bump; it worked okay, I thought.

*Oda*
November 10th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Go figure... half the thread doesn't like the episode, and I do ... for once. *headdesk*

Okay, I'll shut up now... *sprints off to dinner*
It doesn't matter. Everybody deserves to have an opinion, right? ;)

Maybe I should change my "tag" from dislike to not-like-it-so-much. :p
It wasn't that bad. I guess I just dislike the fact, that "my guy" wasn't in it so much as I would want him to be. But we all can't have what we want, can we? ;)

Shan Bruce Lee
November 10th, 2007, 12:03 PM
whe was it said that Teyla was Pregnant? How do you know when the episode ended without saying what Keller found out?

I think it's kinda obvious. They've been dropping references to her love life going back to last season.

Nicksterr
November 10th, 2007, 12:15 PM
I'm not too happy with all these filler episodes. We know enough about the sub-plot characters already. I admire the writers for coming up with stuff like this, but seriously, let's get back to some wraith/replicator action. Delve deeper into that.

This shows needs a two parter or trilogy before mid-season, not after!

fuchsia
November 10th, 2007, 12:18 PM
I'm not too happy with all these filler episodes. We know enough about the sub-plot characters already. I admire the writers for coming up with stuff like this, but seriously, let's get back to some wraith/replicator action. Delve deeper into that.

This shows needs a two parter or trilogy before mid-season, not after!

You're right there...
It's like they're just treading water.

maxbo
November 10th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Looking back, the Carson mention in the beginning should have been the first indication that I would love this episode. Jennifer's concern that the Athosians wouldn't like her because she wasn't Carson was touching and I loved how Teyla tried to reassure her, especially after Jennifer explained the lollipops to her.

Teyla's voice cracking when she said "something is wrong" and her deperate run through the Athosian village set an ominous tone which lasted throughout the episode for me. Loved getting a fuller measure of Teyla's thought processes where we got to see her work through the various stages of her and Jennifer's situation. First, she tried to immediately find out what happened to her people, but after seeing the Bola Kai, she realized that they were outnumbered and resolved to get to the secret weapons cache and then try for the Gate to get help. When that failed, she planned to find a place for her and Jennifer to stay low until help came.

As each of her plans got shot down by the Bola Kai, it was fascinating to see Teyla get more and more ruthless. I loved seeing hardcore, Pegasus galaxy Teyla and couldn't help but remember the conversation she had with Ronon in Trinity where she noted that the Lanteans wouldn't understand some of their harsh solutions to certain situations. For example, the Athosian's practice of having children stay in the woods for 10 days without food or water provided a nice bit of insight into how they try to raise their children to be as self-reliant as possible - but the Lanteans would be horrified.

Also loved how real Jennifer was in that she represented the audience to me. Her fear throughout was understandable - she was already nervous about off-world travel and meeting the Athosians, and then to find herself being hunted by cannibals and also seeing a whole other side of the usually cool and collected Teyla - she would have been nuts not to be terrified.

All in all, this was an excellent Teyla episode and an excellent Jennifer episode and it had a brutal, messy feel that I hope continues throughout this season.

helio9
November 10th, 2007, 12:48 PM
We gave the Athosians guns, you would think we would have given them a condom or two.

ColCaldwell
November 10th, 2007, 12:50 PM
I seriously think this episode blows "Irresistable" out of the water as worst episode ever.

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 12:56 PM
It doesn't matter. Everybody deserves to have an opinion, right? ;)

Yes, we do. And now I sincerely hope that wasn't meant as sarcasm. :o


It wasn't that bad. I guess I just dislike the fact, that "my guy" wasn't in it so much as I would want him to be. But we all can't have what we want, can we? ;)

But "my girl" was. *bounces* :D

garhkal
November 10th, 2007, 01:07 PM
the doctor is a wimp, and I suppose it was a matter of time before they wrote out the Athosians

We don't know they are dead yet... though i felt their writing them out was on the horrizon after we have seen less and less of them as the seasons go on..


So Kanan is definitely the daddy?

At this moment, we are to assume it is.. Though i feel it is more of a red herring to throw us off the track..


Teyla seemed a bit in a bad mood, even before knowing her people were dead. But then she may have sensed something. And she certainly had a reason to be upset later. Like I said the Dr was a little annoying but she did a good job in the end, doing what needed to be done ("but first I need something to heal"...that was nice)/quote]

Her bad mood from the get go was strange, but from then on very realistic. And her hatred she seemed to show at the end makes me sorry for whom ever did this... Anyone want to place bets that this might be why teal'c comes into atlantis, since he is the expert on revenge...

[QUOTE=idlewild202;7313932]K.... not even going to begin with how Keller was written as Beckett.... only thing I liked about her in this episode was that she felt out of place going to the Athosians when they were so fond of Carson.

I did not get that vibe of her being 'written' as Beckett.. BUT i loved her comparing herself to him..


I thought the arrows part near the end was a bit cliche, I mean I saw them get shot at by a TON of arrows and not one of them hit the team. Either Shep and crew have lightning reflexes or the Bolo Kai have worse aim than the Jaffa.

Did you not know... They went to the A_team school of shooting....;)



This was just well put together and balance. Teyla's development was rich, as was Keller's development. We had action, a great story with tnos of open storylines to keep us questioning. Who is Nable? Where did he come from? What was his purpose? How much does he know? Is he a worshipper? Are Teyla's people dead?

Those are all things i would love to know, but we are going to probabily find out later in the season.


That being said she was smart warrior with a strong moral and survival instinct but still had her level of honor, compassion in place.

ANd i love how Keller reminded her of her streak of honor... as far as dealing with Nable..


The dirt squid moment was class, I'm a squid lover, so that did look appetizing to me. :S It was just coolies.

I am sorry, but i would have been as squeamish as keller with that critter.

[QUOTE=justhere1971;7314069]Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.

he was taken aheda of Sumner for food..


- Good cameo from Danny Trejo. I did not immediately recognize him under all this face paint.

Neither did i, but i did recognize the voice..


Who are we to criticize Athosian architecture? There's a practical use for it. To teach balance.

Plus it is easy to cut down to help keep raiders off your 'ass'...


This gets a "C-" from me. Teyla was a bit too harsh. For 3 years we've seen her back away from fights and always try the reasoning approach, but now she slaughters everyone in sight. When she killed those first 3 dudes, why didn't she try asking them where the Athosians had gone? Its fun to see Teyla kick butt, but it was a teeny bit too out of character for my taste.

I agree in a lot of ways... I have always seen teyla as the fight last but if i have to, i will kick butt person. I am surprised she did not want to interrogate that one she walked up to with that sword.. though she was probabily too pissed to think clearly..

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 01:36 PM
I seriously think this episode blows "Irresistable" out of the water as worst episode ever.That was uncalled for. Missing introduced us to a new race in the Pegasus Galaxy, gave us character development for Keller/Teyla, and hinted that the Wraith might know about Atlantis existence. Irrestible was chance to feature Richard Kind and caused me to waste an hour of my life. A little off topic but being new to the Gateworld form, I was wondering how you put those pictures next to your user name:tealcanime23:

WingedPegasus
November 10th, 2007, 01:47 PM
That was uncalled for. Missing introduced us to a new race in the Pegasus Galaxy, gave us character development for Keller/Teyla, and hinted that the Wraith might know about Atlantis existence. Irrestible was chance to feature Richard Kind and caused me to waste an hour of my life. A little off topic but being new to the Gateworld form, I was wondering how you put those pictures next to your user name:tealcanime23:

OTclick on "My Controls", and go to the "Edit Avatar" option on the left list of links. Find one you like, and use it!

morjana
November 10th, 2007, 01:52 PM
On top of that, we've got the Pegasus version of Reavers (Firefly) running about and what could be a new enemy or maybe even a twist on an old one.

The Bola Kai reminded me more of the Wendol from "The 13th Warrior" movie.

Morjana

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 01:55 PM
Go figure... half the thread doesn't like the episode, and I do ... for once. *headdesk*

Okay, I'll shut up now... *sprints off to dinner*

I think this is definitely dependent on what one expects, what they're used too, and if they are a Teyla fan---all these stand irrespective of each other.

So could like this ep if:

1. You like Teyla and/or interested in Jen-Jen (Keller).

This is not the reason I liked the ep, even though I like Teyla. She played the least amount in my interest of the ep. This stands similarly for Jen-Jen.

2. You are willing to follow a different style of storytelling.

This along where I am. I think it also plays a problem for others. It's not a story in the same speed or even area as the other stories of the season. Plus it misses a huge level of action unlike Sateda because it didn't do a heavy past block like Sateda had---so no Dad, no mom, no past love (except a recent one which Teyla says is recent), no Wraith munching, no wraith.

You basically have the origins of Xena/Gabrielle with Teyla/Jen-Jen replacing them. Most people aren't too interested in that kind of story when eps from SGA are Male-dominated. This for SGA and I'm sure for Stargate tends to transverse into another realm---mainly the XX genre forgoing the dominant and well traveled XY genre.

3. You weren't expecting something.

So if you didn't expect certain things as must in the story you had a chance of liking this story as it stands, excluding the off chance you study certain Native American tribes and rites of Passage.

4. You like Native Americans and are interested in tribal culture and rites of passage.

Funny enough, I studied them extensively as a hobby. :S So was I interested in this story...Hell yeah. It was also the reason why I wanted to see Missing and basically the Athosian story---I find the Athosian culture quite parallels native tribes and for the writers to do an Anasazi...well they've just peaked my interest and stroked my feathers quite a bit. I've missed a good dose of Native American mysticism in a story since X-Files was taken off the air.

5. Saw the relation between Missing (Teyla/Jen-Jen) and The Defiant One (McShep).

I think for those who might see a relationship between these two in developing characters through juxtapositions and commonalities would really like this ep. Most did not see that, others bashed it's usage (forgetting the Defiant One and how well that went off); and there were a few who related it and liked it on that level. I'm of the last elk and felt it was an understandable storyline and gives an interesting perspective to see Teyla become a killing machine (warrior) versus the saviour. Then how far the saviour will go when it understands the role of the machine.

It's like contrasting Arch Angel Gabrielle (his role as God's hitman) with St. Peter (who was more a chicken; until he fought the good fight towards redemption and honor). Scratch that, I might be the only who does that kind of stuff.

Anyway the whole point is, and I'm giving a few limited interpretations of what I've seen on this thread, that a lot of people are coming from many different directions as to why they like it or don't like the story. Which is totally okay since I don't think every story must be liked or seen the same way. So it's an interesting dynamic.

ladyjanus
November 10th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Okay this was not the best ep I've ever seen, but it was so by far not the worst...

Gimme a woman with a big knife — or axe or even a pointed stick — kicking butt and I'm happy.

Some of the posters above have complained about how hard and harsh Teyla was in this ep. I ask: Wouldn't you be just a tad cranky is you came "home" and found your entire family/tribe/people had up and disappeared, maybe dead? I know I wouldn't need to be hopped on hormones to be royally pissed off by something like that. And then to have to put up with cannibals on tops of all that? Give a girl a break, FCOL...

I liked this ep. I kept my interest from beginning to end. I even liked that Keller wasn't all that heroic or strong. She can through in the end. that's what matters.

And so did the guys. Timely arrival, armed to the teeth and ready to lend a hand. And funny. what more could you want from your team?

ladyjanus

Agent_Dark
November 10th, 2007, 02:01 PM
i dont see why you could not like this ep. it had teyla brutalising noobs. what more can you want?

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 02:12 PM
i dont see why you could not like this ep. it had teyla brutalising noobs. what more can you want?

She did do quite a bit of that...and did you notice?! She didn't have a fly-away strand?! Who is her stylist in the PG?! Teyla never has a bad hair day. :mckay: Not even after a slap to the face and several pole-arm handles to the back.

I think she uses Suave. <---We now need to see her shower and any possibilities of product placement. Ronon advertised Evian to no end. <---He's just too good for PG water ever since he went to Atlantis.

Vapor
November 10th, 2007, 02:14 PM
I just about loved this one.

Finally, Teyla gets an episode all to herself, and it doesn't actually make me cringe (like that one season two... singing thing) :(.

I'm glad Carson is continuing to be mentioned and it's not one of those situations where the old character is just simply gone now that we don't see them anymore. I still feel like the show has taken a tremendous blow with the loss of Beckett and Weir, but it's nice to get aknowledgements from time to time. Hopefully, they can both come back for... something, at some point. :/

I feel pretty indifferent toward Keller as a character. She's just sort of there for me. I don't dislike her, but I don't love her either. She's just... fine.

I do love how she was used in this episode. Practically everything she did and said was obviously a severe annoyance to Teyla and I loved the interplay between them. I found myself getting frustrated with her myself, which was perfect, because I felt that much more engaged when the sh** really started to hit the fan.

It's nice to get an episode that isn't so massively plot-driven. I mean, there are some very good plottastic episodes, but I feel like SGA has probably done a few too many of them in the past, and it's good to have an ep that at least doesn't FEEL dependent on some high concept sci-fi thing. It's just about these two people trapped in the forest, trying to survive, while dealing with each others' differing personalities along the way.

It's simple, but I love the concept of the Bolakai. And I'm sure I spelled that wrong, but whatever- I haven't read anything ont he ep yet. The elusion that they could eat their victims was a little scary and an interesting thing to consider, since Wraith obviously "eat" their victims as well. Worked perfectly with the deception that they would be Wraith worshippers.

The only thing I didn't like about the Bolakai was that guy. You know the guy. That leader-guy. Those scenes suffered because of the fact that his acting just simply wasn't up to par with anyone else in the entire episode. Yuck.

But aside from that, the ep was great. I loved the scene when Teyla just hacks that guy right in front of Keller. A lot more hardcore than something I'd normally expect from Teyla, which works wonders to illustrate the dire situation and stress she must be feeling from suddenly finding that the whole of her people are missing.

Rachel Luttrel rocked the house, nuff said.

The ending was excellent. The way the mystery of Teyla's condition was presented- it actually was very effective. I just kind of assumed that this would be the scene where we all find out... the spoiler... but instead, the episode just ended. I love it!

"Missing" gets an A. Good character stuff. Good action. Teyla finds a stronger voice within the show, and this starts yet another piece of ongoing story for the season. Very happy this week.

Agent_Dark
November 10th, 2007, 02:14 PM
She did do quite a bit of that...and did you notice?! She didn't have a fly-away strand?! Who is her stylist in the PG?! Teyla never has a bad hair day. :mckay: Not even after a slap to the face and several pole-arm handles to the back.

I think she uses Suave. <---We now need to see her shower and any possibilities of product placement. Ronon advertised Evian to no end. <---He's just too good for PG water ever since he went to Atlantis.

she uses a 'Greater Potion of Hair-Care' I believe.

Gate gal
November 10th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Wow, I expected this board to be alive with praise for Teyla and Keller. I loved this one. Teyla and Keller whump! Serious female bonding! Major Teyla kick butt action! Keller's growth from whiny middle class doc to desperate woman willing to do what's necessary to survive! Teyla's worry over her people. Keller's lollipops. And McKay jumping out there with the gun without whining about it first. Now, that's character growth. I read spoilers, so I wasn't suprised by the final scene but I'm relieved that we are looking at a normal PREGNANCY. I understand that it hurts shippers, but if Kanan is dead then this baby's gonna need an Atlantis daddy...Oh, I'm terrible. Sorry.

It wasn't as great as last week's episode (which I've decided is my current all time fave Atlantis episode), but it was a solid 8/10.

Go Rachel and Jewell!

I personally did miss Carter, but since she isn't in all 20 episodes then this was probably a good one to be Carterless. Just hoping she was earthbound for some reason. ;)

Briangate78
November 10th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Go figure... half the thread doesn't like the episode, and I do ... for once. *headdesk*

Okay, I'll shut up now... *sprints off to dinner*

I thought it was a good episode. Very nice character ep. Some people may think you need to have amazing special effects and explosions to make it a good episode. For me, if the characters grow and the story is good, well then it's a winner to me.

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Wow, I expected this board to be alive with praise for Teyla and Keller. I loved this one. Teyla and Keller whump! Serious female bonding! Major Teyla kick butt action! Keller's growth from whiny middle class doc to desperate woman willing to do what's necessary to survive! Teyla's worry over her people. Keller's lollipops. And McKay jumping out there with the gun without whining about it first. Now, that's character growth. I read spoilers, so I wasn't suprised by the final scene but I'm relieved that we are looking at a normal PREGNANCY. I understand that it hurts shippers, but if Kanan is dead then...Oh, I'm terrible. Sorry.

It wasn't as great as last week's episode (which I've decided is my current all time fave Atlantis episode), but it was a solid 8/10.

Go Rachel and Jewell!

I personally did miss Carter, but since she isn't in all 20 episodes then this was probably a good one to be Carterless. Just hoping she was earthbound for some reason. ;)


I think people have the wrong idea on shippers. I'm one of the shippers who liked the episode. Plus I felt it had no bearing on my ship. I love the idea of Kanan and any other man, all the guys on the show have had a few lady's minus Ronon. I only don't like the idea of pregnancy because I'm one of the people who doesn't want to see a parasite on the show.

I can't see Teyla with a nanny-pack and McKay carrying a diaper bag, while Ronon is heating up formula, and John is changing diapers while on a mission. This isn't Three Men and a Baby, I find it will take away from the show. Sure the pregnancy can be around, normal or not, but I don't want to see a real kid on the show. Plus, I'm also one of the people who is against the idea that Teyla will give her child up to the Genii or some American family while she fights the good fight, because it would parallel the situation with her and her people.

Shipperness has nothing to do with situation. This is up to individual preference on a show and what one wants, likes or enjoys seeing.

kirmit
November 10th, 2007, 02:34 PM
Not the best but not the worst episode, getting alot of those this season. I did like the background on Keller and showed how good an actress Jewel is. Teyla well did nothing for me in this episode, even in an episode centered around her it was still asif she was taking second seat.

morjana
November 10th, 2007, 02:36 PM
As each of her plans got shot down by the Bola Kai, it was fascinating to see Teyla get more and more ruthless. I loved seeing hardcore, Pegasus galaxy Teyla and couldn't help but remember the conversation she had with Ronon in Trinity where she noted that the Lanteans wouldn't understand some of their harsh solutions to certain situations. For example, the Athosian's practice of having children stay in the woods for 10 days without food or water provided a nice bit of insight into how they try to raise their children to be as self-reliant as possible - but the Lanteans would be horrified.

This was a wonderful episode for Teyla! She is as much a warrior as Ronon, but she also has the added extras of her skills a diplomat, a leader, a tactician; and she's balanced by her "softer" side of love, empathy, and warmth.


Also loved how real Jennifer was in that she represented the audience to me. Her fear throughout was understandable - she was already nervous about off-world travel and meeting the Athosians, and then to find herself being hunted by cannibals and also seeing a whole other side of the usually cool and collected Teyla - she would have been nuts not to be terrified.

All in all, this was an excellent Teyla episode and an excellent Jennifer episode and it had a brutal, messy feel that I hope continues throughout this season.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree with your assessment of Keller.

While Keller is on the Atlantis mission, she appears to be a civilian doctor. I would imagine the Air Force made sure that ALL the civilians received at least basic training -- military protocol, learning self-defense, etc. -- Keller is after all: 1) a normal Earth civilian from 2007; 2) NEW to everything, while the majority of the Atlantis crew has had at least three years of duty in the Pegasus Galaxy; 3) who knows, maybe she wasn't a scifi fan and this really is ALL VERY new, unusual, strange...etc.

Lovely comments, maxbo. Thank you so much for sharing! :)

Morjana

PS - Why DOES Keller run around in tennis shoes?

And ... we need a Keller GateWorld icon!

Vapor
November 10th, 2007, 02:39 PM
I can't see Teyla with a nanny-pack and McKay carrying a diaper bag, while Ronon is heating up formula, and John is changing diapers while on a mission. This isn't Three Men and a Baby, I find it will take away from the show. Sure the pregnancy can be around, normal or not, but I don't want to see a real kid on the show. Plus, I'm also one of the people who is against the idea that Teyla will give her child up to the Genii or some American family while she fights the good fight, because it would parallel the situation with her and her people.

Personally, I think she should have her baby, be extremely happy about bringing the new and unexpected thing into existence, and then someone comes and steals it away from her. We see her in despair, anger, and finally determined to find who did it, and hack them to death with a really big sword. :)

Eventually the child could return in some unexpected form (preferrably not as a super-offspring) and the show can continue without Teyla dividing her time between Atlantis missions and mom duty.

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 02:49 PM
I honestly didn't think I would like this season in general since they got rid of Weir, but then there was Keller, and I have been crazy about her since I saw her in Adrift (and then remembered she was in First Strike too) and I was really glad to see an episode that half centered around her and not on Sheppard for a change. As others have mentioned, Sam wasn't in it, though she didn't have much of a reason to, I would've been happy (as possibly the sole Carter/Keller shipper) if she was in the beginning seeing Keller off instead of Sheppard. But despite that, I was happy with the higher amount of estrogen instead of testosterone for once.

The good stuff about the episode, though Keller was well 'whiney', I found it endearing and truth be told if I were in her situation, I would've probably been just as freaked out. Actually I liked that she was freaked out because it shows that there are realistic human characters on Atlantis. She was pretty brave for eventually going over the tightrope bridge, something I don't think I could've done. She was also just plain adorable, but that might just be me who has a thing for brainy yet naive women.

I guess I haven't been really paying attention to all the 'small hints' that have to do with Teyla romantically, because I wasn't exactly expecting to hear about a male partner, but can't be that surprised. I completely understand her blood lust since she was under the impression that the bolaki were responsible for the murder of her people and they were working for the wraith, not to mention her own self-anger for not being able to protect her own people.

The small things that kind of stood out to me that I thought were kind of stupid, was when Keller sprained her ankle and Teyla hides the medical bag because it's too heavy, yet they end up going back to it and picking it up anyway, why didn't Teyla just carry it in the first place so she didn't have to go back for it? There was the ten arrows being shot at the team, which even my mom pointed out that ten arrows were shot yet they all missed, now that's just kind of silly,for such a reputation of being this ruthless warrior tribe, the bolakai certainly have terrible aim. I also find it funny that through the episode it strongly emphasizes how inexperienced Keller is to combat yet she got a perfect shot in the leg at the end.

All in all, I it was nice to have a female bonding episode for once, and can't wait for next week.

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 02:50 PM
Not the best but not the worst episode, getting alot of those this season. I did like the background on Keller and showed how good an actress Jewel is. Teyla well did nothing for me in this episode, even in an episode centered around her it was still asif she was taking second seat.

To the statement in bold, I agree 100% (it needs green). It was definitely a Keller story [I wanted to clarify this is on a "superficial level." Because Keller did get more development as a character. Which is understandable from the viewers perspective. Hence the failure of the writers. On a deeper level Teyla's importance is clearly seen especially when you can sit back and better define what and who is Athosian. As well as seeing a bond between females which has previously been IGNORED and NEVER on screen.], but Teyla's importance was through understanding her people and their background and also they put her in a situation to maximize on the "warrior roots" again this is interrelated with her people and juxtaposed against Keller.

As for giving something special and defining into Teyla [irrespective of her culture]... the closest you get is her vengeful nature at th end of the episode (which is rare to see in Teyla). I think we only saw this three times from her Trinity, The Tower, Misbegotten.

It wasn't a development surrounding herself really as an individual, but definitely her connection with her people and seeing that ripped to shreds and having to deal with her complete opposite.


Personally, I think she should have her baby, be extremely happy about bringing the new and unexpected thing into existence, and then someone comes and steals it away from her. We see her in despair, anger, and finally determined to find who did it, and hack them to death with a really big sword. :)

Eventually the child could return in some unexpected form (preferrably not as a super-offspring) and the show can continue without Teyla dividing her time between Atlantis missions and mom duty.

If I had nodding emoticon, I would nod to this. I have no problem with that direction, as long as I don't have to think in the back of my mind someone is changing diapers or dealing with a cholicy baby on Atlantis. :mckay: :(

igger
November 10th, 2007, 02:58 PM
First really disapointing episode of the season for me, Teyla turning into a badass so quick just didn't feel right and the plot was just meh.

ann_sgcfan
November 10th, 2007, 03:12 PM
I thought it was a good episode. I think they should have mentioned Carter, but they didn't always mention Hammond, Jack, or Weir either when they were leading the base. Teyla was shown as the mentor and protector in this episode. Keller had some good character development by the end. She seems to be the typical nonmilitary medical doctor. She doesn't have combat training and surviving in the woods while being chased by a tribe of cannibal like warriors, and not having any weapons other than a knife would be understandable. I'm sure it wasn't something that crossed her mind during medical school.

I had to laugh at the comparison between Keller's 3 day summer camp with Teyla's 10 days survival test. It showed how different these two women were and yet in the end they both came through. Keller is right she did decide to take a position at Atlantis, instead of a safe Hospital somewhere, so there was courage somewhere within her that she had to draw from. And she finally does , her biggest break through was shooting the guy in the leg. I actually saw that in the previews so I knew the fear would subside eventually. :p

Teyla's worry for her people was evident as was her sense of duty to protect Dr. Keller. Teyla exhibited the "tough love" that her people no doubt showed their young (10 day survival trial) toward Keller. The bridge incident comes to mind, instead of encouraging Keller to walk across, which would take the time they didn't have, she left her. Teyla knew Keller would follow, and she did come back to save her when she fell. (That was a pretty good scene. I would like to know how they filmed that bridge scene). It shows the leadership Teyla must have had in leading the Athosians. Leading them, encouraging them, but also giving them enough space to develop their own confidence and being their if they needed them. Teyla continued to battle three or more men which was impressive. It wasn't until the double cross at the end and the cheap shot the guy took with her hands tied.

I think this episode sets up a good storyline for Teyla this season. The Athosians are missing and she along with the rest of Atlantis are the only ones looking for them. Also the little news they alluded to at the end will be interesting to see how they tie that in... I'm guessing the guy Teyla was talking about among her people will be playing a part in the last part of the season. Seems they were interviewing for the part just before hiatus or maybe that was during hiatus. I can't remember what Rachel said during the interview. In this episode Teyla spoke fondly of him so that is a start. If Teyla can continue to talk to someone, I'm guessing Dr. Keller, about him occasionally it will be even better. I think in all it will be an interesting storyline for her.

gkyun
November 10th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Overall it was an alright ep. I guess TPTB finally got around addressing the fans' concern over Teyla having had too little screen time in previous eps. She really kicked some major butt in this ep.

I was surprised to see Danny Trejo as the tribe leader though. It was not usual to see him appearing in a show like Atlantis, which was awesome! (he looked kinda funny running around dressed up as a caveman :D)

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Okay, I need to know... Who the frell is Danny Trejo? What makes him so special?

ladyjanus
November 10th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Danny Trejo is a character actor who has been in more movies and TV shows that a can of Pepsi. He is an ex-con, ex-junkie with a face made for nightmares. He plays almost exclusively killers and monsters and all-around badasses.

ladyjanus

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 03:42 PM
Danny Trejo is a character actor who has been in more movies and TV shows that a can of Pepsi. He is an ex-con, ex-junkie with a face made for nightmares. He plays almost exclusively killers and monsters and all-around badasses.

Ah, I see... He would play in the kind of movies I don't generally watch. :)

majorsal
November 10th, 2007, 04:01 PM
McKeller got me kind of tired with all her winning for the first 30 min. of the episode, she was taking Mckay's place.


I was pissed off after a few minutes of her whining....



i thought keller was realistic. she's not a warrior and doesn't pretend to be one. let's be honest, how many of us *would* be complaining about being chased by bad guys and crossing string bridges and eating the raw guts from animals? i'm not talking about the way we 'wish' we'd react, but the real way we'd respond. at least at first. keller isn't a baby, but i felt she was responding to things in a realistic way, and 'then' seeing that she had something extra within herself that she could do the things she was frightened of.




sally :)

CalmStorm
November 10th, 2007, 04:01 PM
I really don't have that much to say about this one. It was good to see Teyla get a good bit of screen time. However, it was difficult to stay interested in this episode.

gkyun
November 10th, 2007, 04:15 PM
Okay, I need to know... Who the frell is Danny Trejo? What makes him so special?

Here's a few pics of Trejo for you :)

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5734/trejoew0.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5715/trejo2ir6.jpg

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2003/trejo4np6.jpg

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9544/trejo3hh8.jpg

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Okay, scary dude... :eek:

Willow'sCat
November 10th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Because I am lazy....;)


It was a little slow though the fights were quite cool. Appears to be a female bonding ep so I am sure some Weir supporters are annoyed as they could have done this with her and Teyla. On the other hand it may not have worked as well since Weir was older and a leader and this worked because Teyla was the mentor to the more immature\naive Dr. You know I thought about that, what if it was Weir or what if it was Beckett out there and on both counts it wouldn't have been "this" story, both Weir and Beckett are/were past the reality shock of living in the PG and all that goes along with that, both have been put in similar positions in the past from being kidnapped to having to use weapons to kill not heal.... if it was anyone other then Jennifer it wouldn't have worked. Well obviously Carl wrote it for her and Teyla. :cool:


The Dr. was a little annoying with her whining but it is believable.....summer camp vs. Athosian "summer camp". I mean she is a doctor, seems to come from a basic American middle\upper class family. I thought that myself, middle class white women from the US, well it made perfect sense to me, and when she mentioned Survivour well it made even more sense. :D


Teyla seemed a bit in a bad mood, even before knowing her people were dead. But then she may have sensed something. And she certainly had a reason to be upset later. That is the one thing that didn't really work at all for me, well other then the cliche of Jennifer spraining her ankle...( hello Carl this is not the 1950s! Better scenarios could be thought up to make Jennifer a lame duck then twisting her ankle :cool:). I understood why Teyla was pissed off, but she still seemed more distant in this episode then in others I still feel like she is half a person (half a character, not fully fleshed out yet) and although I didn't for one moment buy she was capable of fighting all three guys and barely a scratch (Buffy had super powers remember ;)) I did buy her being a brutal killer, although she now is no more then the female version of Ronon or visa versa, which is a shame.

As for the reveal... well maybe if I didn't already suspect that the baby was Athosian (RL did give that more or less away in an interview) I am still wondering why she kept the relationship a secret? OK in some ways it makes sense with everything that has been happening and being the only gal on a team of blokes she would probably not want to talk about that with them... alright forget I mentioned it, it makes perfect sense to keep it quite! lol ;) Also is this guy the same one mentioned in Sunday? :S Maybe; as the one line in that exchange that stood out for me was Teyla saying something like she knows him well, or better then the scientist (red shirt) she was talking with... makes sense if they knew each other from childhood, and it is kind of cute. :);)

I am not a fan of Carl's stories, but this one was better then the others it had major faults from this females viewpoint, some cliches that made me want to scream (the ankle, and the bridge as well, eating food that is stomach churning just to survive, the hint of cannibalism.... Been there seen that a hundred times in TV & Movies) but for a Carl story/script it was the best he has churned out so far imho. Also given it had very little by way of other characters from Atlantis in it, it wasn't as nearly as boring as I thought it would be, it moved along at a brisk pace which is always good when you are dealing with filler eps and yes for me this ep was a filler. Sure something happened to the Athosians, culled or not and that no doubt leads to Teyla going on some personal vendetta (like she wasn't already doing that :rolleyes:) but really this is still to my mind a filler ep.

majorsal
November 10th, 2007, 04:17 PM
I actually quite liked that Teyla got a bit pissy with her. :lol: I'm surprised she didn't slap her upside the head with the amount of whining she did. She is the female version of Rodney. :D With that said, I was very impressed with her towards the end when she finally understand the implications of just standing by and watching Teyla kick ass, a good lesson learned I think.




see, i didn't see that at all. yes, mckay whines, but he's got some serious issues and i figure knows ppl aren't going to like him so he just goes with whatever crap that goes out of his mouth because why bother since they hate him anyways, you know? but with keller, i felt her complaining was what us normal non super hero ppl would react to.

ppl aren't born super brave and death defying, and it also showed that teyla was taught since childhood to turn off her physical/psychological discomfort and just do it. keller, to me, is the average person that would say 'wtf?' to some of the stuff happening to her and teyla. but she tried to overcome it and i can't say i could have done that good myself. i adore sam and think she's brave and strong, but i can't say i could go through some of that stuff myself and not quit it all.



sally :)

gkyun
November 10th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Okay, scary dude... :eek:

Aside from playing those mean, edgy characters, he's actually done quite a few comedic roles as well like Spy Kids and Delta Farce.

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Aside from playing those mean, edgy characters, he's actually done quite a few comedic roles as well like Spy Kids and Delta Farce.

Wait, Spy Kids... I saw it in passing, dubbed in French, and I think I may have seen him in that once...in passing.

drake122
November 10th, 2007, 04:21 PM
My god, another terrible episode. Jewel Staite and the Sheppard/McKay interactions at least made it remotely interesting, but the lousy plot, poor fighting scenes and the so called "savage" Bola Kai phenomenon completely ruined the whole thing.

Come on already, we want to see some good eps this season as well... :comeon:

Willow'sCat
November 10th, 2007, 04:28 PM
As for giving something special and defining into Teyla [irrespective of her culture]... the closest you get is her vengeful nature at th end of the episode (which is rare to see in Teyla). I think we only saw this three times from her Trinity, The Tower, Misbegotten. I kept thinking about The Tower and how she behaved in that ep, that is the only reason for my buying her behaviour in this ep, but if you were one of the lucky ones to have missed The Tower :P Teyla's behaviour may seem a little out of character.

You are also right about this being more about Jennifer then Teyla although a better script could have been about both women, Teyla still seems too withdrawn here, too guarded. Well this episode was not one for her character to be open about herself I understand that but maybe instead of the cliche about the food they could have had a few more moments talking about Teyla and the guy she likes and her people. Maybe that would have slowed the ep right down I don't know.

I also noticed the main humour in this ep came from McKay/Sheppard/Ronon, is this Carl admitting he can't write funny for women? I would have thought given the situation a little humour between the gals would have relieved some of the tension. *shrugs*

majorsal
November 10th, 2007, 04:51 PM
I personally did miss Carter, but since she isn't in all 20 episodes then this was probably a good one to be Carterless. Just hoping she was earthbound for some reason. ;)

why, whatever could you mean? :p private-hubby/wife-time

sorry, couldn't resist. :D




sally :)

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 04:56 PM
why, whatever could you mean? :p private-hubby/wife-time

sorry, couldn't resist. :D




sally :)

Though my new favorite pairing is Carter/Keller, I've always been been for Sam/Jack :D

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 05:20 PM
I really enjoyed how they ended the episode. If you are a person who does not read spoilers, you would thinking what happens to Teyla. In some ways this is like Part 1 of a two-parter.

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I really enjoyed how they ended the episode. If you are a person who does not read spoilers, you would thinking what was with Teyla. In some ways this like Part 1 of a two-parter.
I haven't read spoilers for quite a while but I kind of thought it was a little obvious with the tone of the last scene of what was up with Teyla.

AGateFan
November 10th, 2007, 05:25 PM
I really enjoyed how they ended the episode. If you are a person who does not read spoilers, you would thinking what happens to Teyla. In some ways this is like Part 1 of a two-parter.
Yeah, think of all those poor casual fans that were left with a cliffhanger.
Dang, I guess if any of the work people watched they will come looking for me. They have not been watching too much this season but I highly recommended the 9PM ep and if they tuned it for that they probably would have caught this. Since no one will know the spoilers they will probably be interested. Then I will tell them the spoiler and they will roll their eyes. They have watched enough sci-fi to know what an albatross this plotline normally is. Can TPTB overcome it? We will see.

Homeslice55
November 10th, 2007, 05:26 PM
At the beginning of the show they made a point of showing Keller packing lollipops and she told Telya they were for the kids (since she was trying to make a good impression). I thought it was a nice gesture but later realized it was just to setup that joke.

I hate to admit it, but I am a tivo-er. I try to watch live when I can. The episode started after the credits, so I missed the whole Lollipop thing then.

Thanks!

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 05:30 PM
I haven't read spoilers for quite a while but I kind of thought it was a little obvious with the tone of the last scene of what was up with Teyla.In my opinion, the casual fan would think there is something medicaly wrong with Teyla. I don't think all the spoilerless fans would realize that Teyla is pregnant

only4amoment
November 10th, 2007, 05:37 PM
This wasn't the greatest episode in season four (so far I think that would be Tabula Rasa), but it wasn't horrible.

The only thing I thought was odd is that for the longest time Teyla has been seen as the peaceful balance to Shepherd and Ronon's agressiveness, but all of a sudden she gets all tough, and it's as though there was nothing in previous episodes to even suggest she has a side as ruthless as the one we saw in Missing.

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 05:41 PM
In my opinion, the casual fan would think there is something medicaly wrong with Teyla. I don't think all the spoilerless fans would realize that Teyla is pregnant
I guess I put it together based on the male lover and how Keller didn't seem so cryptic about it, so it might jsut be this casual fan. :p

kymeric
November 10th, 2007, 05:44 PM
I guess it's a spoiler if you didn't know the writers were going to incorporate Rachel Luttrell's pregnancy into the series.
Then again we don't know if that is what Keller is referring to at the end of the episode - she might have found something else.
But it's unlikely.

In my opinion (humble of course), deciding to write the pregnancy in was a massive mistake.
However they explain the baby, and whatever they do to him/her in the end, Teyla will be forever different, and I don't think that's a good thing... not for future stories or ships.

Whoever said 'babies kill sci-fi' was right.

WAIT!!! I have an exception, the baby thing on DS9 was ok. Nana Visitor got nocked up by a costar and they wrote it in as an emergency fetus transfer (lol?) from obreins injured wife. It explained why she was all preggo, and After the kid was born it was nevar mentioned again. Completely normal kid. That what im hoping for here, remember earth final conflict? Yikes, that was awful. Alien baby jesus = the suck.

Just let teyla have a normal baby and she can be teh last athosian. Or if ure a trekkie, she can be the naomi wildman of atlantis :D

dosed150
November 10th, 2007, 05:51 PM
In my opinion, the casual fan would think there is something medicaly wrong with Teyla. I don't think all the spoilerless fans would realize that Teyla is pregnant


well keller did deliver that line in exactly the same way she would have said you have cancer, keller was pretty good in this ep, at first her wimpyness annoyed me, although apart from her being scared of that rope bridge im sure i wouldnt have acted that differently, was good to see her grow and that line before she shot the guy was just badass

Xaeden
November 10th, 2007, 05:55 PM
I also noticed the main humour in this ep came from McKay/Sheppard/Ronon, is this Carl admitting he can't write funny for women? I would have thought given the situation a little humour between the gals would have relieved some of the tension. *shrugs*

It's all subjective. I found various moments in the show humorous, but there were only two moments that made me laugh out loud and both involved Telya and Keller. The first was when they cut to Telya carrying Keller's bags after she gave that long speech about how she would manage in front of the gate and the second was in response to the look Telya had on her face after Keller told her the camp story. On the other hand, the only things I found amusing involving Sheppard, Mckay, and Ronon was Ronon's comment about Mckay being stupid enough to get shot in the ass with an arrow and Mckay's line where he screamed; "Not arrows," as they were landing around him. But I wouldn't say they were the main humor as although I was amused by them it didn't really get a reaction out of me. Also, if they really wanted to they could've made the latter funnier, but instead we got to be impressed by Mckay risking his neck to lay down cover fire so his friends could retreat. It completely overshadowed any amusement I was starting to get from Mckay being Mckay which I am not at all complaining about as this bit of character development was so much better.

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 06:10 PM
The convo between Mckay and Sheppard in Atlantis was completely lost on me. I have absolutely no idea what they were discussing, villains obviously but who or what... nope, not a clue.

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM
The convo between Mckay and Sheppard in Atlantis was completely lost on me. I have absolutely no idea what they were discussing, villains obviously but who or what... nope, not a clue.They were disscussing actors who played Batman villians

Falcon Horus
November 10th, 2007, 06:16 PM
They were disscussing actors who played Batman villians

Yeah, great for them... I never saw one single Batman movie... Oh wait, I saw Batman Begins. Still, lost on me. :S

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 08:37 PM
It's all subjective. I found various moments in the show humorous, but there were only two moments that made me laugh out loud and both involved Telya and Keller. The first was when they cut to Telya carrying Keller's bags after she gave that long speech about how she would manage in front of the gate and the second was in response to the look Telya had on her face after Keller told her the camp story. On the other hand, the only things I found amusing involving Sheppard, Mckay, and Ronon was Ronon's comment about Mckay being stupid enough to get shot in the ass with an arrow and Mckay's line where he screamed; "Not arrows," as they were landing around him. But I wouldn't say they were the main humor as although I was amused by them it didn't really get a reaction out of me. Also, if they really wanted to they could've made the latter funnier, but instead we got to be impressed by Mckay risking his neck to lay down cover fire so his friends could retreat. It completely overshadowed any amusement I was starting to get from Mckay being Mckay which I am not at all complaining about as this bit of character development was so much better.

I have to agree, the first part where Teyla ended up carrying Keller's bags made me laugh, and made Keller all that cuter to me for claiming she had it when she didn't. And then her whole reaction to the squid-like food was pretty funny.


The convo between Mckay and Sheppard in Atlantis was completely lost on me. I have absolutely no idea what they were discussing, villains obviously but who or what... nope, not a clue.

I was as clueless as Ronon in that scene, I even tried rewinding it to get it, but no clue either.

AGateFan
November 10th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Yeah, great for them... I never saw one single Batman movie... Oh wait, I saw Batman Begins. Still, lost on me. :S
Had you seen the movies you still would have been lost on the actors that played the villians as I am pretty sure they were talking TV show...just based on some of the actors they listed. I will have to watch again but I think they said Mr Freeze and I am pretty sure the answer was not Arrrnoooolllldddd.

Kribby
November 10th, 2007, 09:00 PM
She did do quite a bit of that...and did you notice?! She didn't have a fly-away strand?! Who is her stylist in the PG?! Teyla never has a bad hair day. :mckay: Not even after a slap to the face and several pole-arm handles to the back.

I think she uses Suave. <---We now need to see her shower and any possibilities of product placement. Ronon advertised Evian to no end. <---He's just too good for PG water ever since he went to Atlantis.

She wears tracks-- a wig. She has like really curly hair in the real world. I've always thought her own hair would be way more realistic.

Rachel Luttrell is Black... Afro-Canadian... uh Tanzanian or whatever ethnicity/race she goes by (dunno-- not a crazy enough of a fan to know).

http://www.rachelluttrell.com/gallery.asp

gopher65
November 10th, 2007, 09:06 PM
WAIT!!! I have an exception, the baby thing on DS9 was ok. Nana Visitor got nocked up by a costar and they wrote it in as an emergency fetus transfer (lol?) from obreins injured wife.
Gotta agree with this. This was my first thought when someone said, "Scifi never does actor's pregnancies right!" Still, that DS9 pregnancy is the only good job at working a real life pregnancy into a story line in ANY show of ANY genre that I can think of. So, yeah. I hope they don't screw this up like almost every other show that has ever attempted it.

It's all subjective. I found various moments in the show humorous, but there were only two moments that made me laugh out loud and both involved Telya and Keller. The first was when they cut to Telya carrying Keller's bags after she gave that long speech about how she would manage in front of the gate and the second was in response to the look Telya had on her face after Keller told her the camp story. On the other hand, the only things I found amusing involving Sheppard, Mckay, and Ronon was Ronon's comment about Mckay being stupid enough to get shot in the ass with an arrow and Mckay's line where he screamed; "Not arrows," as they were landing around him. But I wouldn't say they were the main humor as although I was amused by them it didn't really get a reaction out of me. Also, if they really wanted to they could've made the latter funnier, but instead we got to be impressed by Mckay risking his neck to lay down cover fire so his friends could retreat. It completely overshadowed any amusement I was starting to get from Mckay being Mckay which I am not at all complaining about as this bit of character development was so much better.

I agree with all of this too:). That bit when it cuts to Telya carrying Keller's bags was just hilarious hehehehehe; it was far better to have some understated humour instead of the slapstick we've been getting for the past while. And I loved that for once Rodney was the one laying down cover fire. Although for a minute it looked like he was going to cut and run. Then he seems to think the better of it, whips around and starts shooting. It was a good character moment.

Overall I liked this episode quite a bit. I was particularly happy that we didn't have another stupid "cut out the climax to save time" ending like we did in episodes like Grace Under Pressure. I was *really* expecting this episode to have one of those dumb endings, but they managed a nice climax and a short anti-climax/next-ep-link scene as well.

Kribby
November 10th, 2007, 09:07 PM
Okay, I need to know... Who the frell is Danny Trejo? What makes him so special?

WHAT (okay, calming down) DT is sooo cool. I am a teacher and he came to my school to talk to the kiddies about NOT doing drugs... and whatnot.

Very powerful speaker... tough as nails... and he gives a crap about the world.

Check out his imdb page... funny stuff.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001803/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001803/bio

[On being promoted from a $50/day extra to a $350/day boxing coach:] "How bad do you want this kid beat up?"

[After being told the actor might hit back:] "For $350 a day, give him a bat. I used to get beat up for free."

Juvenile hall, youth authorities ... I was in a lot of trouble. I grew up like the characters I've been playing. But would I do things differently? I honestly believe that circumstances create destiny, almost. There weren't too many ways I could have done things. The only things that were available to me were either be a laborer or be a drug dealer. So I became an armed robber. It was a lot simpler.

I'll be watching TV and all of a sudden I'll think, 'Hey, I'm in this!' A lot of times I don't even know the names of [the movies]. I just show up. From 1985, when I first started, to 1990, I did a ****-load of B-movies about prisons. They would always say, 'Get that Mexican guy with the big tattoo.' I'd show up and I'd have one line, like, 'Kill 'em all!' or something.

I'd have to say my favorite film would be Heat (1995) and it's got me out of many tickets.

It was the funniest thing I'd ever heard. I'd been in Soledad, San Quentin, Folsom, Vacaville, Susanville, Sierra - and here's a guy asking 'Can you act like a convict?' I remember I said 'I'll give it a shot'.

joebags
November 10th, 2007, 09:08 PM
Teyla was way out of character in that she was downright mean, which I didn't like, but at least the writers are giving her more to do. Keller I just can't deal with anymore. She took this job on an off world base and probably had to go through all sorts of screening to get it, so why is she such a spineless jellyfish? She knows there are aliens and people getting killed all the time, and she freaks at everything. GET RID OF HER.

I liked the Shep-lite feel, but I probably would have liked to see Teyla alone, doing the solo Rambo thing, or have her with Beckett (rest his soul). Beckett was a chicken, but he had a brain and could put up a brave front.

Not the best episode of the year, more towards the bottom of the barrel.

Kribby
November 10th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Teyla was way out of character in that she was downright mean, which I didn't like, but at least the writers are giving her more to do. Keller I just can't deal with anymore. She took this job on an off world base and probably had to go through all sorts of screening to get it, so why is she such a spineless jellyfish? She knows there are aliens and people getting killed all the time, and she freaks at everything. GET RID OF HER.

I liked the Shep-lite feel, but I probably would have liked to see Teyla alone, doing the solo Rambo thing, or have her with Beckett (rest his soul). Beckett was a chicken, but he had a brain and could put up a brave front.

Not the best episode of the year, more towards the bottom of the barrel.

All her people were likely dead-- I'd be P.O'd too.

If anyone like... killed my cat-- I'd be throwing punches and leaving injured people behind.

I'mjustsayin...

Kribby
November 10th, 2007, 09:19 PM
The Atlantis team as them as well, that is how they found Sheppard in "Common Ground", but they don't get used as often in Atlantis as they do in SG-1.

Vala,


Oh, okay-- I had forgotten about Common Ground.

weirfan517
November 10th, 2007, 09:21 PM
All her people were likely dead-- I'd be P.O'd too.

If anyone like... killed my cat-- I'd be throwing punches and leaving injured people behind.

I'mjustsayin...
Agreed.

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 09:26 PM
?*?* Keller I just can't deal with anymore.?*?* She took this job on an off world base and probably had to go through all sorts of screening to get it, so why is she such a spineless jellyfish??* She knows there are aliens and people getting killed all the time, and she freaks at everything.?*?* GET RID OF HER.They make Keller a wimp at first to show change. At first Keller is scarad of the Bol'Kai (sorry if I misspelled) that she might have a heart attack. As the episode progresses gets more bravery to the point where she gets a spine and shoots the Wraith worshiper.

Sunkist22
November 10th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Fine episode, though I think Keller stole the show. I thought this episode was gonna be heavily centered around both Keller and Teyla, though Teyla didn't really do anything different from what she usually does IMO, and not a lot of development on her part (until the very very end of course). Lots of good Keller moments, but she got a tad annoying at first when she was acting all whimpy, which is unual because I like Jewel Staite. Anyway, it was a good episode, not perfect but good.

Not to poke holes in peoples opinions of episodes, but you know actors are actors because they can play different types of characters. If you are thinking about Jewel's last characters when you watch her on Atlantis, you are probably going to end up disappointed... Her character is just a doctor, and not used to situations like this, so of course shes a little 'wimpy'.

joebags
November 10th, 2007, 09:38 PM
... Her character is just a doctor, and not used to situations like this, so of course shes a little 'wimpy'.

But when Keller took this job, she had to know what she was getting into. She wasn't assigned there, obviously, so she knew all about aliens, and attacks on the base itself, and people dying, plus she would have had to pass strong psychological and probably physical testing to be mentally and physically able to deal with the unknown. But Keller comes across as childish, and like she had no idea she would be running into life threatening situations! I don't see any genius in her thinking or behavior at all. How would she have behaved when Atlantis was outright invaded by the Wraith? Or the Genii? She probably would have been just as cowardly then as in this episode. I don't see how she got posted to ATlantis in the first place.

Kribby
November 10th, 2007, 09:43 PM
But when Keller took this job, she had to know what she was getting into. She wasn't assigned there, obviously, so she knew all about aliens, and attacks on the base itself, and people dying, plus she would have had to pass strong psychological and probably physical testing to be mentally and physically able to deal with the unknown. But Keller comes across as childish, and like she had no idea she would be running into life threatening situations! I don't see any genius in her thinking or behavior at all. How would she have behaved when Atlantis was outright invaded by the Wraith? Or the Genii? She probably would have been just as cowardly then as in this episode. I don't see how she got posted to ATlantis in the first place.

Hmmm BUT she expected to be visiting the peaceful Athosians... suddenly she was smack in the midst of a tribe of warrior cannibals with the Athosians kidnapped. I am sure she is *mostly prepared* to be in harms way with some tough marines with guns...

She had a scalpel, Teyla had a knife-- against a whole tribe.

How do you prepare for warrior cannibals anyway?

PG15
November 10th, 2007, 09:48 PM
I'll be blunt. Out of every episode in the first half of the season, I looked forward to this one the least. I mean, all I knew was that it was about 2 people who are not my favorite characters (but I didn't dislike them either) who are trudging through the forest for the majority of the episode, fighting cliched barbarian. How boring.

And yet...I don't know what kind magical juices they're feeding the cast and crew at Bridges, but they managed to turn this flat concept into an awesome episode. Ha, you thought I was gonna bash this episode, didn't you? Hehehe.

So yeah, it's not my favorite of the season (that honor goes to the Lifeline-Reunion-Doppleganger triad), but once again the boys at Bridge did their homework and brought forth a highly entertaining hour of television, which at times felt like a movie; something Stargate hasn't made me feel for a very long time.

Let's get started then, with that movie quality I just mentioned. The two scenes that really exemplified this were 1). the rope bridge scene and 2). the night time scene at the Blind. First, that rope bridge was just ridiculously well done in terms of craftsmanship, so a big 2-thumbs-up to the Arts Department and the crew who built it. The biggest surprise though, was that single shot where we pan over the entire canyon, with poor (tiny) Keller standing admidst this huge cravass. That was epic, soooo very epic. And of course, the director of this episode pretty much mastered the "holy crap what just happened?!" technique, what with the two times weapondary was hurled into a tree near our characters, and of course the scene where Keller nearly plummetted to her death. I knew it was coming, but the sheer suddenness of that move just jolted me to no end. Wonderfully done.

The second bit was rather short and mostly due to aesthetics. Stargate has done night scenes before, but there was just something about the establishing shot of the Blind at night, with an internal light source that made it very movie like. I can't quite explain it, but it just did. So...yeah, awesomesauce on an awesomesteak.

Moving on...the Bola Kai are some interesting people. Of course, they don't compare to any of our established bad guys, but I would like to learn more about their culture. I did think they could've gotten a better actor to portray the *alien* leader of the *alien* Bola Kai. Still, they made a fine nemesis for this episode.

Now, onto the meat. Rachel Luttrell and Jewel Staite killed in this episode. I mean, my GOD they were brilliant. Keller is pretty much the kind of person I would be if I ended up in her situation...except I would complain less (I would bottle up all of my fear until...) and vomit more. Oh God, you have no idea how my stomach works when I get nervous. I almost puke before every exam. So, yeah, to those who are complaining about Keller being wimpy or whiny, let's see how you like it if I put you in the middle of a forest and try to hunt you down with several painful blunt instruments.

No, I'm serious. We'll arrange a time and when that time comes, I'll go Manhunter on you. Let's see how you do.

Ok, moving on, sort of. Like I said, I loved Teyla and Keller in this episode, main because they showed their vulnerable side (yes, even Teyla broke a little), and as I said in past reviews for this season, I love that kind of stuff. Keller, above all, was taken to the extreme, and I admit I did cheer when she saved Teyla at the end there by clobbering Nabel (sp?). Jewel Staite really shone in this one; her fears, her anxiety, her sadness at the potential loss of her dad's one last vestige of a family...perfectly genuine, perfectly done. Carl Binder did a masterful job at slowly advancing her character throughout the episode, and by the end she was a stronger person, but not too strong as to make it unrealistic. Awesome.

Now, Teyla...she was a force in this episode; I mean, I never really loved Teyla, but now I do. The episode had her appearing in all the range of her character that took several episodes to individually pick out in the past. Her determination, her patience, her care for her people, her leadership qualities, her kick-ass ways...all were displayed in this episode, and all were displayed in excellent fashion IMHO. I myself loved the fight sequences, and I liked how they kept the camera moving, but not in the usual jerky way (i.e. the slow pan as she faces off against all the warriors during the first battle; Rachel's right, it was like dancing, how Teyla fights). Still, that was just a bonus to the main course that is the character stuff. Teyla, as a leader, is not one to show emotions, so when I saw her watery eyes as she realized the fate of the Athosians, it basically struck me just how important they were to her, and help me realize that she wasn't just another soldier on Shep's team. She's the...well, Queen of Athos, I guess. Heh.

But yeah; usually I dislike these uptight, moral, goody-two-shoes characters, but something Rachel put into her performance just makes me break through that prejudice. Teyla was incredible in this episode. What "The Eye" was for Sheppard, "Missing" was for Teyla. They are both their defining episodes, IMHO.

By the way, I like this Kanan guy already. I'm pretty sure I got no leadership qualities, but I'm the same way with the overcautiousness, so right there I can relate. Hopefully we'll know him by more than just a name eventually.

Finally, there is the matter of the arc that has begun with this episode. Where are the Athosians? Does Michael has anything to do with this? Is Nabel gonna come back? The cogs in my brain are turning and they ain't gonna stop until I spoil myself, probably in the near future. The almost-monologue of Teyla talking about whoever doing this paying for what they've done is certainly a setup for this dark arc. Can't wait to see more!

Thanks to the hard-working cast and crew at Bridges, the only thing that's "Missing" in Season 4 is an episode I haven't liked. Well done!

Score: 9/10

p-pos
November 10th, 2007, 09:50 PM
i thought this was a great episode. i agree with the more positive post on this thread so there is not much to add.

what i don't get is the post saying that teyla was out of character, too mean well isn't that the point. she just found out that all of her people are either dead or missing wouldn't that make her just a little pissed off. she was also in a do or die situation i wouldn't have left any one alive either like she said the more you killed the less trying to kill you.

as for the poster who didn't get the mckay-shep convo about the villians i didn't either but i thougth ronon was funny with the arrow comment.

Why Carson? Why?
November 10th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Now I for one have been hanging for the next ep of Atlantis but this one... this one i would really have to say is my least favourite of the 4 seasons so far, I mean this has happened how many times they go visit teyla's people, BUT WAIT this time the wraith take them... NO WAIT the bolkai did... NO WAIT a Genai rogue did NO WAIT a wraith worshiper did.
If you liked the episode then thats your prerogative but me was just one hell of a let down.

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 09:56 PM
Finally, there is the matter of the arc that has begun with this episode. Where are the Athosians? Does Michael has anything to do with this? Is Nabel gonna come back? The cogs in my brain are turning and they ain't gonna stop until I spoil myself, probably in the near future.

I said this before and I'll say it again. Missing ended with so many questions it may as well be a two parter with The Seer being part 2. I don't think I can wait a week. I enjoyed reading a lenghty positive review. It seems that many of the long reveiws are negative.

Nitegate
November 10th, 2007, 09:57 PM
i have to say the complete opposite, i think it was the best one this season. action and everything. though keller did get on my nerves at first with all her complaining, but it was a good episode overall.

that's like saying on sg-1, oh another episode about teal'cs people or the goa'uld, what a let down. they're gonna keep to date with this stuff, everyone's just gonna have to live with it. i'm shocked they didn't get rid of her people sooner than season 4.

i thought it was good to wait till the end who was behind the disappearance of teyla's people, keeps you guessing.

Why Carson? Why?
November 10th, 2007, 10:03 PM
True i do agree with that it was probably kellar that did it. But the best this season... Reunion, Doppelganer, Travelers even Tabula Rasa, they were all better than this one I suppose im more into the McKay saves the day while Sheppard and Ronon fight the bad guys.

GateLadyM
November 10th, 2007, 10:08 PM
The Bola Kai were just a rip off of "Firefly's" Reivers, but the Reivers were truly scary!

The rope bridge looked cool, but it was just a plot device to have cry-baby Keller dangle for her life, screaming like mad so the evil baddies can find them, and then be rescued by Teyla. Teyla should have let her fall, or at least taped her mouth closed.

What irked me the most was when we get super Teyla through the whole episode, but she can't rescue herself. No, its Shep to the rescue again. After all the gals went through, why couldn't Teyla save herself for a change?

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 10:17 PM
Teyla was way out of character in that she was downright mean, which I didn't like, but at least the writers are giving her more to do. Keller I just can't deal with anymore. She took this job on an off world base and probably had to go through all sorts of screening to get it, so why is she such a spineless jellyfish? She knows there are aliens and people getting killed all the time, and she freaks at everything. GET RID OF HER.

I liked the Shep-lite feel, but I probably would have liked to see Teyla alone, doing the solo Rambo thing, or have her with Beckett (rest his soul). Beckett was a chicken, but he had a brain and could put up a brave front.

Not the best episode of the year, more towards the bottom of the barrel.

She wasn't out of character. Her people are most likely dead---ALL OF THEM!! Then she doesn't know who did it. So she's living in a state of unknowns with the ever real and strong possibility of her people dead.

Do you think she'd be over the moon?!

Then she can't get back to Atlantis, because she has to deal with a group of canabilistic warriors after her, and she's burdened with a doctor who has no survival skills. I would not be dancing the jig.

As for Keller she was realistic for where she was and what her experience was. She grew a backbone towards the end, but I would be shocked to see Keller as Red Sonja early on in the ep...even though I found her annoying in the beginning.


All her people were likely dead-- I'd be P.O'd too.

If anyone like... killed my cat-- I'd be throwing punches and leaving injured people behind.

I'mjustsayin...
100% agree.


I said this before and I'll say it again. Missing ended with so many questions it may as well be a two parter with The Seer being part 2. I don't think I can wait a week. I enjoyed reading a lenghty positive review. It seems that many of the long reveiws are negative.

You obviously haven't read my reviews; but then there is always much going on in my head to talk about within a post since unlike the average person I do think too much.

In any event, I have to agree with you...there was a great amount of questions left unanswered which I ran through a bit in my other posts in this thread.


---Goodnight...but from the known CHATTERBOX! :S (thanks PegSGA, for the new title)

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 10:20 PM
The Bola Kai were just a rip off of "Firefly's" Reivers, but the Reivers were truly scary!The rope bridge looked cool, but it was just a plot device to have cry-baby Keller dangle for her life, screaming like mad so the evil baddies can find them, and then be rescued by Teyla.?*?* Teyla should have let her fall, or at least taped her mouth closed. Or it could be harder for Bola Kai to find Teyla and Keller. Teyla should have cut the bridge in half with her knife
What irked me the most was when we get super Teyla through the whole episode, but she can't rescue herself.?* No, its Shep to the rescue again.?* After all the gals went through, why couldn't Teyla save herself for a change?This reminds me of the Season One episode, The Defiant One. Shepard and Mckay couldn't save themselves on their own. They survived because of the help of Ford and a Puddle Jumper. The point , survival episodes (Missing/The Defiant One) invovle the protangnist surving until reinforcments arrive.

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 10:23 PM
The Bola Kai were just a rip off of "Firefly's" Reivers, but the Reivers were truly scary!
Hmmmm...and I thought the Bola Kai were a rip from real life [some] Carib Natives who were canabals, my mistake. Canabals are scary more so from real life than from scifi.


The rope bridge looked cool, but it was just a plot device to have cry-baby Keller dangle for her life, screaming like mad so the evil baddies can find them, and then be rescued by Teyla. Teyla should have let her fall, or at least taped her mouth closed.

What irked me the most was when we get super Teyla through the whole episode, but she can't rescue herself. No, its Shep to the rescue again. After all the gals went through, why couldn't Teyla save herself for a change?
Be realistic...give me a break. You saw how those Bola Kai's spread out. No matter how many times Teyla got away those things got together like a pack of wolves and you think it's realistic for a lone female with a knife and a curse with a twisted ankle who needs her rescuing is going to make it out of a situation?!

No way in hell. Not without being hurt pretty badly, if not killed, putting her in an even worse position. They showed us twice that it's not realistic for Teyla to even think of rescuing herself when the Bola Kai swarm. Sure she can take on 3-4 of them. But we saw her surounded by over 10 and then she had Keller's protection to deal with...she needed help!!!

If Teyla had a P90 with some extra amo, then I could say...sure you have a point. But she had a knife and her skill, and I don't think we need to mention how handicapped she was by Keller's presence.



Or it could be harder for Bola Kai to find Teyla and Keller. Teyla should have cut the bridge in half with her knife This reminds me of the Season One episode, The Defiant One. Shepard and Mckay couldn't save themselves on their own. They survived because of the help of Ford and a Puddle Jumper. The point , survival episodes (Missing/The Defiant One) invovle the protangnist surving until reinforcments arrive.

You definitely need to read my past posts...mentioned aspects of that in my previous posts.

p-pos
November 10th, 2007, 10:27 PM
What irked me the most was when we get super Teyla through the whole episode, but she can't rescue herself. No, its Shep to the rescue again. After all the gals went through, why couldn't Teyla save herself for a change?

lets see one person against a tribe, no weapons but a knife and a stick or whatever you can pick up from a fallen enemy no she doesn't need any help at all she should be able to kill all of them in less then an hour and still be able to get her hair and nails done.

PG15
November 10th, 2007, 10:34 PM
I know I'm late, but...


I knew the fake genii was bad news the moment I saw him. They would have been right to let him die. After all, why would the Genii be spying on the Athosians?

I thought that was good continuity actually. Remember Ladon's short scene near the end of Return Part 1? He was interested in an alliance, so this would be a kind of follow-through thing to Teyla's mind.


And why did that guy look like he had just died or was gravely ill.

He just lost a lot of blood from that wound on his abdomen, remember?

Oh, and I forgot to add this to my review: the music was awesome in this episode. A great, "beaty" sound that I haven't heard that much in Atlantis.


Does anyone remember Rising when John & Co. meets Teyla for the first time? Remember the guy that was with her? The look they exchanged? Is that the guy? Or did he end of Wraith fodder at the end of that, because we never did see him again later on.


You both are correct AGF & R_P. That kinda continuity is just too much to ask for.

Actually, bringing him back would be breaking continuity since he was fed upon and killed before Colonel Sumner was summoned to face the Keeper. Who do you think was that skeleton sitting in front of the table of "food"?


I was thinking that Kanan was the Athosian guy she was sparring with in The Siege.

That guy was played by James "BamBam" Bamford, who probably doesn't have time to act in a major part like this since he's the stunt coordinator for the show. So it's not him.

jelgate
November 10th, 2007, 10:36 PM
You definitely need to read my past posts...mentioned aspects of that in my previous posts.?*I'm sorry. I didn't know you had already made that comparsion. I was watching The Defiant One the other night on my DVD player

PG15
November 10th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Really? I thought it was a let up.

Oh well, to each his/her own.

vaberella
November 10th, 2007, 10:41 PM
That guy was played by James "BamBam" Bamford, who probably doesn't have time to act in a major part like this since he's the stunt coordinator for the show. So it's not him.

Just on a side note, "BamBam" was the Bola Kai we saw Teyla run after and killed with the stick to the throat. I thought it was cool how they did that.

On another note...in any event it's pretty easily estimated that that guy probably died in The Siege II. When we saw Teyla separated from her team which was made up of armed Athosians, which we could easily assume included that guy. All of them were laying dead while Teyla was missing. Sure there's a chance he's alive..but I'm estimating that , that paticular guy is dead.

Further more they've chosen someone from the film 300, who I wish is Michael Fassbender because then I can live vicariously through Teyla since I'm in lust for this man like no other!!! ~sigh~ What I would do...I need a break from thinking about him...off to listen to some Ji Hoon, he's my more attenable honey!! ;)

DigiFluid
November 11th, 2007, 07:14 AM
Disagree. There's been a lot of crap this season, but this was a marked improvement.

Gibsnag
November 11th, 2007, 07:18 AM
Really? I thought it was a let up.

Hah, reminds me of the classic "Things will not calm down Daniel Jackson, they will in fact calm up." Teal'c quote.

I personally thought that this episode was great. Some good character development for one untapped character and one new character, introduction of some new Pegasus lore (Bola Kai), bits of action and a bit of intrigue.

Probably the best episode alongside Adrift imo.

The.Road.Not.Taken
November 11th, 2007, 07:20 AM
fantastic ep i have been looking foward to it since the season started

bluealien
November 11th, 2007, 07:29 AM
True i do agree with that it was probably kellar that did it. But the best this season... Reunion, Doppelganer, Travelers even Tabula Rasa, they were all better than this one I suppose im more into the McKay saves the day while Sheppard and Ronon fight the bad guys.

I thought it was a fantastic episode but I can understand you being disappointed with the lack of Carson. I think he was a much more believable CMO...

I'm not into Rodney or Shep saving the day all the time.. I do like when the others get their chance. And this is one of my fav eps so far.

jelgate
November 11th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Now I for one have been hanging for the next ep of Atlantis but this one... this one i would really have to say is my least favourite of the 4 seasons so far, I mean this has happened how many times they go visit teyla's people, BUT WAIT this time the wraith take them... NO WAIT the bolkai did... NO WAIT a Genai rogue did NO WAIT a wraith worshiper did.If you liked the episode then thats your prerogative but me was just one hell of a let down.It wasn't the greatest episoed of the season but it wasn't worst. I think I would rank it 3rd so far. You essentially have Teyla fighting hunters who have no morals that they resort to eating humans. It was interesting to see how Teyla, and to a lesser extent Keller were able to thrawt the Bola Kai until reforciments. Its mystery, we aren't suppose to know who took Athosians. Here's hopeing we find out next but as PG15 said we will probably have to wait a few episodes to find the answeres

sweetsamurai
November 11th, 2007, 07:47 AM
I liked this episode. Great Teyla fight, kicking some Bola Kai ass.

I want Dr Beckett brought back, but Keller is doing a good job - it could have been a lot worse. She is loveable.

I really missed Sheppard in this episode, but it was cute how the team came to help save them! Wish I had a Sheppard and Ronan by my side. (Not that I get attacked by weird men).

I have a feeling that the Atlantis team will seek the Bola Kai help in the last episode of Season 4, to help fight aganst the Wraith - just like they did in Farscape.

There were some stupid things in this episode. Like, why did intuative Telya not think why it was bizarre, how the only person left was a Genei Spy? Co-incidence? Blah - I wouldn't believe his words.

And when Keller needed to cross the bridge - she shouts Telya's name across the whole forest. HELLO? You are trying to hide from savage men!!! lol.

Ah, first I have to deal with Ford, then the pointless death of Beckett, then Weir and NOW, I have to suffer the loss of JINTO!!

Weir: 'WHO is this?'
Jinto: 'I am Jinto.'

SAVE JINTO!