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Athosian Death facilitator
November 4th, 2007, 01:52 AM
How can there be a sequel to Stargate without interfearing with mythology of SG-1/SGA

Where the hell is the second and third 'stargate' (not sg-1) films mythology going to come from?

Honestly, the shows have driven the mythology through so much stuff, they can't have the actors totally be doing something else, because it would be way, way, way confusing.

Not to knock a smart sci-fi audience but how the hell are they suppose to convince us these are the characters, O'Niell and Jackson and nothing is going to interfear, especially since 12 ears on there has been major, major changes to the characters, the mythology.

How are they going to keep the Stargate in sg-1 sg-a mythology????

I hope the don't mess it up. WHich i am sure they won't but wow, we are really going to have to wait and see on this one.

SaberBlade
November 4th, 2007, 01:36 AM
If you want to know where the mythology for new movies would come from, then read the books. Stargate the movie had 5 sequel novels that were [apparently] based on notes from the creators of the original movie. These tell one version of the Stargate story.

As for keeping the mythology, won't happen. SG1's relationship to Stargate would be as official as Infinity's relationship to SG1. Because of that, Stargate 2 and 3 would become the official sequels and the entire trilogy wuld be the offical canon. The books are supposed to be based on Emmerich's ideas so they would be a secondary canon, as they didn't include Devlin. It's by default (even if the movies are never done) closer to the true stargate canon. SG1 and so forth would still be an authorised spinoff rather than true sequel and because they have been done on screen have higher authority than the books.

Instead Devlin and Emmerich would do their own version, either based on the books (which used Emmerichs ideas) or team up and do something new and different which is what would happened according to Devlin (as his movie would be 12 years later, the books start off 2 weeks later).

Ganthet Jr.
November 4th, 2007, 05:16 AM
I don't believe that Devlin's movies will ever get made. He talks about it all the time, but nothing has happened yet, and now there are sequels coming out that are technically SG-1 stories, but don't have SG-1 in the titles. That seems to be a big distribution hint from MGM saying that they like the franchise as it is.

ReganX
November 4th, 2007, 05:39 AM
I don't believe that Devlin's movies will ever get made. He talks about it all the time, but nothing has happened yet, and now there are sequels coming out that are technically SG-1 stories, but don't have SG-1 in the titles. That seems to be a big distribution hint from MGM saying that they like the franchise as it is.

Why wouldn't they? All things considered, it's done very well.

ReganX
November 4th, 2007, 05:40 AM
As for keeping the mythology, won't happen. SG1's relationship to Stargate would be as official as Infinity's relationship to SG1. Because of that, Stargate 2 and 3 would become the official sequels and the entire trilogy wuld be the offical canon.

Basically reducing SG-1, Atlantis and Universe if it's made to an AU?

SaberBlade
November 4th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Basically reducing SG-1, Atlantis and Universe if it's made to an AU?

Not necessarily an AU, but a spinoff. That's pretty much what the show's been since it started. SG1 ignored what could have been, and those notes were used for the books. SG1 went it's own way and even changed things to seperate itself from the movie so it's plausable to say that although Children of the Gods started as a sequel, it was always going to be a spinoff.

ReganX
November 4th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Not necessarily an AU, but a spinoff. That's pretty much what the show's been since it started. SG1 ignored what could have been, and those notes were used for the books. SG1 went it's own way and even changed things to seperate itself from the movie so it's plausable to say that although Children of the Gods started as a sequel, it was always going to be a spinoff.

I saw the show as a continuation of the movie.

SaberBlade
November 4th, 2007, 02:49 PM
I saw the show as a continuation of the movie.

I saw it as a continuation at first. But it got to the point where it was so drastically different, so far apart from the movie that it taken on a life of it's own. After that, I didn't think it was fair to call it a continuation of Stargate because the show's creators and producers had created something that was their own instead of expanding on what was already done (which the books did).

From the very start, changes did need to be done because of the format change, but they even rewrote character histories, names, places, all of which just seperated the show even more as a lot of these changes weren't needed beyond seperating the movie from the show.

That's why I consider SG1 it's own continuity and own canon. The movies to me wouldn't cancel out the series, but just reinforce the belief that from day 1, it's always been a seperate continuity.

the fifth man
November 4th, 2007, 05:42 PM
That's why I consider SG1 it's own continuity and own canon. The movies to me wouldn't cancel out the series, but just reinforce the belief that from day 1, it's always been a seperate continuity.

That's pretty much how I feel about SG-1 too. If Devlin's sequels do ever get made, they won't effect how I feel about SG-1. They will just be another way things could have gone down after the first film.

P-90_177
November 4th, 2007, 05:58 PM
I never quite get why people always bring up canon whenever they talk about these suposed 'probably never will be made' stargate sequels. I mean let's say they are made, then why can't people just pick and choose the canon they like best?
If people prefer the movie triolgy then let them watch the movie trilogy, if people prefer the SG-1 way of things then let them watch the first movie followed by SG-1. It doesn't really matter in the end. If anything i rather want to know what this trilogy was going to be. It sounds like it would be very good.

the fifth man
November 4th, 2007, 06:11 PM
If anything i rather want to know what this trilogy was going to be. It sounds like it would be very good.

If they were made, I'd probably see them. Just out of curiosity.

SaberBlade
November 4th, 2007, 06:53 PM
I never quite get why people always bring up canon whenever they talk about these suposed 'probably never will be made' stargate sequels. I mean let's say they are made, then why can't people just pick and choose the canon they like best?
If people prefer the movie triolgy then let them watch the movie trilogy, if people prefer the SG-1 way of things then let them watch the first movie followed by SG-1. It doesn't really matter in the end. If anything i rather want to know what this trilogy was going to be. It sounds like it would be very good.

Canon is very important, because I think in people's eyes there is always the chance SG1 (if the movies were done) could be relegated to the status of Stargate: Infinity. I don't think that a lot of fans would like to accept that after 10 years SG1's influence on the Stargate continuity and canon would mean nothing.

Despite my belief that SG1 has always been it's own seperate continuity, the original movie and the original show (plus the stuff that came later) still makes up the official canon. Stargate SG1/Atantis/SG1's movies would end up becoming unoffical and I think that's something fans would have an issue with.

Master_Templar
November 4th, 2007, 08:44 PM
What official show for the Stargate Movie? SG:1 is the official show for the movie.

The sequel will never be done anywho.

Flyboy
November 4th, 2007, 11:41 PM
Canon is very important, because I think in people's eyes there is always the chance SG1 (if the movies were done) could be relegated to the status of Stargate: Infinity. I don't think that a lot of fans would like to accept that after 10 years SG1's influence on the Stargate continuity and canon would mean nothing.

Despite my belief that SG1 has always been it's own seperate continuity, the original movie and the original show (plus the stuff that came later) still makes up the official canon. Stargate SG1/Atantis/SG1's movies would end up becoming unoffical and I think that's something fans would have an issue with.
And yet look at the various comic book universes for spiderman and such, all of those are "official".

SaberBlade
November 5th, 2007, 12:28 AM
And yet look at the various comic book universes for spiderman and such, all of those are "official".

Yeah, but can you imagine how many different continuities are there, or how often stuff gets retconned or completely redone? Pre and Post Crisis, Silver Age, Golden Age, Modern Age. In the end they may be official, but stuff will always be retconned and changed just to make stuff fit in.

DC and Marvel have each have a multiverse, so if something happens in a comic book that people don't like, then it gets retconned at some point to have taken place in another world or completely retconned by a future comic series or edition to take it out of existance.

I think that's the biggest problem fans have. I don't believe that the fans want the official continuity set up by SG1 to be completely retconned because of Stargate 2 and Stargate 3. People didn't even like the idea that SG1 was an AU because Jack's pond had fish. At least with comic books, no matter what they do, everything can still be restored or undone. Every so often a character will get a complete rewrite and they'll redo history, events, characters (redo, add, or complete remove them) so in a sense all may be official, but the actual continuity they can follow changes a lot depending on the comic book being a restart, a crossover or parallel universe, or in the case of Supergirl, a resurrection.

Nitegate
November 5th, 2007, 02:28 AM
i'm glad that my original thread started other threads on the supposed to be movies, but everyone is giving Dean Devlin all the credit, but it was co-written and directed by Roland Emmerich, saw something that he wrote the basis of Stargate when he was in college in the early 70s.

in the series if it ever got done, it would branch off what would have happened if sg-1 would never have formed, remember they formed only when apophis attacked through the stargate in the beginning of the pilot, that would never have happened.

it's just an interesting idea, in the original thread i started, i read on what Emmerich said in an interview, he talked to Kurt Russell and James Spader and they both still wanted to do a sequel. i thought it would be interesting if it happened to see how it was gonna be, like in an alternate universe.

but it will never happen cause of sg-1 and atlantis.

the fifth man
November 5th, 2007, 07:05 PM
I kind of doubt that these sequels will see the light of day too.

Ripple in Space
November 5th, 2007, 08:12 PM
I don't care if Devlin's the best Film creator ever, there's no way he could produce a mythology in even 5 feature-length blockbusters that could rival 5 seasons of successful television, well actually 8, but still...

garhkal
November 6th, 2007, 03:01 PM
If they were made, I'd probably see them. Just out of curiosity.

Same here..


Canon is very important, because I think in people's eyes there is always the chance SG1 (if the movies were done) could be relegated to the status of Stargate: Infinity. I don't think that a lot of fans would like to accept that after 10 years SG1's influence on the Stargate continuity and canon would mean nothing.

Despite my belief that SG1 has always been it's own seperate continuity, the original movie and the original show (plus the stuff that came later) still makes up the official canon. Stargate SG1/Atantis/SG1's movies would end up becoming unoffical and I think that's something fans would have an issue with.

Just like how according to Lucas arts, Episodes 1-3 are canon, but some of what transpired in 1-3 seems to contradict Ep4-6 (like the clones of jango and the stormtroopers, etc)..

SaberBlade
November 6th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Same here..



Just like how according to Lucas arts, Episodes 1-3 are canon, but some of what transpired in 1-3 seems to contradict Ep4-6 (like the clones of jango and the stormtroopers, etc)..

Not really.

It's quite possible that once the Clone Wars were over and the Empire was in place, clones were replaced with normal humans. Episode 3 ended giving us the impression that most worlds accepted the Empire and that it was only a few worlds (as seen in the deleted scenes of episode 3) that were taking part in an active anti-palpatine role and in the future creation of the Rebel Alliance.

It's probably something that will be sorted out in Star Wars TV as it will take place (spanning 100 episodes) between Episodes 3 & 4. I would expect us to see more of the anti-Jedi/Pro-Empire propogranda to appear and the slow withdraw of Clone Troopers and the creation of Stormtroopers.

The actor who played Jango redubbed Boba's voice in the special edition DVDs but he didn't redub the Stormtroopers so clones were eventually phased out.

runnerX
November 16th, 2007, 01:34 AM
The original Stargate movie wasn't that successesfull at the box office at the time that's why no sequels where were made right after. The franchise owns its success to Robert C. Cooper and Brad Wright for making the TV shows. Now of course seeing the success of the franchise Mr. Devlin want's to make sequels for the original movie. A little to late like 12 years to late to think about it now. Of course Dean Devlin is the one that started the franchise but aparently he didn't care about it that much otherwise he would have done the sequels long time ago. Trying to come back now to make the sequels is just an attempt to make money on the popularity of the frachise. He will make more good if he puts the budget money for the sequels he's planing in future sg1 movies. :P

ChelMcQ
November 17th, 2007, 04:33 PM
It would be very strange to see the sequels. I read the books that followed the movie and it plays out much differently, imho, than the series played out.
I'm with MGM, the franchise is fine as it is.