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November 1st, 2007, 07:25 PM
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When a virus causes amnesia in everyone except Teyla and Ronon, the Atlantis team must work together to find a cure before their memories fade entirely.

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Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:02 PM
Definitely a good episode.

I am actually glad they didn't kill off Katie. I was afraid of that at the end.

I had figured it was some sort of Pegasus Galaxy thing.

I loved the McKay/Teyla and Shep/Ronon and Shep/Carter scenes.

Overall, I give it a 4/5.

GATEGOD
November 2nd, 2007, 07:02 PM
The eps keep getting better and better and better!!

Sweetsong
November 2nd, 2007, 07:03 PM
So how many people thought they had killed Katie in the end there? hehe.
This episode had a very "Sunday" feel, in the fact that it utilized all the flash backs, one minute it's present day, the next it's 10 hour earlier.

I wonder if the writers felt the episode would not be interesting enough if it had been told straightforward, and thus needed to do all the bouncing around. I thought it was a great episode, just hope this back and forth doesn't become common place.

Ltcolshepjumper
November 2nd, 2007, 07:05 PM
This was so much better than Sunday. And, I'd say it is better than all of the previous season 4 episodes. It was definitely more suspenseful. It wouldn't have been that way if it was just straightforward. However, the ending seemed a bit rushed.

McKayManiacs92
November 2nd, 2007, 07:06 PM
OMG, if they had tried to kill that Katie off too, I would have quit right now!

That Rodney/Katie storyline was too amazingly adorable! And the Ronan/Sheppard, Teyla/Rodney parts were just awesome.

Plus, I love how the alien child illness is how the whole Atlantis is saved...priceless! The mainland Ronan part with Sheppard was just cracking me up!

Really, one of the best yet this season for me!

But I still say, complete team episodes are a lot better in my opinion than when the entire story is focused on just one character (ie Travelers). Even though Rodney was kind of a focus- really everyone played a major great part in this one! :D .....

prion
November 2nd, 2007, 07:09 PM
You know, this was a REALLY GOOD episode!!!

Zelenka wielding a pipe and bashing soldiers. It's always the quiet ones, y'know.. ;)

Lorne running around on speed. boy, he's going to crash bad.

And Teyla and Ronon both got to save the day.

And thank god, they did not kill Katie. For a second there, I thought, oh no, she's dead.

Heh, they got the Pegasus Galaxy version of the mumps ;)

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:09 PM
This episode had great character emphasis, and it was a very orginal episode.

markaudette
November 2nd, 2007, 07:10 PM
I love a good mystery.

Tabula Rasa was a good mystery and a good solid episode. So far it's the first episode of the season I have even remotely liked. And thankfully I wholly enjoyed tonight's episode.

I especially loved the filmography and the use of a lens diffuser for that soft, hazy feel. It complimented the tone and feel of the episode very well.

It was also neat to see most of the cast out of their element. Basically opposite of how they all function normally in the show. For instance the greatest Rodney in-joke with merely pressing the Enter button on his computer terminal to save the day.

A solid A.

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:10 PM
Did you guys see the new Sci-fi lineup for Friday? Woo hoo! :p

Flash Gordon 8/7c
Stargate Atlantis 9/8c
Stargate Atlantis(New) 10/9c

Xicer
November 2nd, 2007, 07:11 PM
My favorite episode of the season so far, written very well. Lots of suspense, and it was great seeing everyone work together (or work against each other) without any memory of anything. I was actually kinda hoping that Katie got killed at the end. *dodges flying objects* Its not that I don't like her character, its just that I think it would have made a good ending to the episode after how it was being built up. Then again, it would probably just reinforce the idea that Stargate writers hate doctors...

Oh, and FINALLY Teyla gets some kind of important role after such a long time!

Ltcolshepjumper
November 2nd, 2007, 07:12 PM
I think it was kinda interesting how Lorne and the soldiers were taking the pills and rounding up civilians, but they didn't know why.

siXbrownSnakes2
November 2nd, 2007, 07:13 PM
Meh.

It was interesting and different, I'll give it that. But it was only really suspenseful at the beginning because you knew they would eventually find teyla and that ronon and sheppard would eventually find the drug.

It seems a common habit with TPTB these days. There is a problem, then there is a bunch of dialog between the characters which essentially creates a plan to deal with said problem, and then the rest of the episode is just that plan being carried out. That and/or the ending is quick and cheesy.

I hate knowing how the episode is going to end 30 minutes in. However, if that is the case, I'd like it to be in an episode like this one.

On the flip side, the acting was superb and Martin Wood did an excellent job directing.

Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:14 PM
Did you guys see the new Sci-fi lineup for Friday? Woo hoo! :p

Flash Gordon 8/7c
Stargate Atlantis 9/8c
Stargate Atlantis(New) 10/9c

Serious????

Xicer
November 2nd, 2007, 07:15 PM
Meh.

It was interesting and different, I'll give it that. But it was only really suspenseful at the beginning because you knew they would eventually find teyla and that ronon and sheppard would eventually find the drug.

It seems a common habit with TPTB these days. There is a problem, then there is a bunch of dialog between the characters which essentially creates a plan to deal with said problem, and then the rest of the episode is just that plan being carried out. That and/or the ending is quick and cheesy.

I hate knowing how the episode is going to end 30 minutes in. However, if that is the case, I'd like it to be in an episode like this one.

I suppose I agree with you somewhat, but thats generally how most Stargate episodes are set up. The ending gets resolved pretty quickly, and you can usually see it coming, but it was still fun to watch.

AGateFan
November 2nd, 2007, 07:15 PM
Nice episode.
Story was pretty good. I think they could have done it without all the bouncing around but it seemed to work.

I thought Teyla was really good in this, which is funny since she didn’t have that much screen time but she kept Rodney (and the others at the end) focused. I like little skittish Zelinka. I thought the new doctor did a fine job. I thought Carter did also did a fine job falling back to a more SG-1ish version of herself (I don’t know why I think that but that’s how it struck me). The ep was again McKay heavy, telling the story mostly from his point of view, but hey that worked fine and you couldn’t really do it from Sheps point of view (since he wasn’t going to work the solution) and you couldn’t tell it from Teyla or Ronan (since they would already know what’s happening).

How come Loren remembered that Teyla was not "one of his people"?
Ah that picture thing was a good idea and Shep was pretty funny with telling them to do what Ronan said. Ronan did a good job in this ep too.

I also figured out early that it was going to be a common disease in Pegasus and that Teyla and Ronan would be immune (its really surprising there haven’t been more of this type of ep.....I guess if a SG-1 ep must be compared to it, it would be Broca Divide). However, I kind of thought for a minute that they killed off Katie too, especially after those 2 men died. I was prepared for the firestorm on this board, so in a way I will miss that she didn’t die ;).....although I really am happy she didn’t. I do like that McKay has a girlfriend so we don’t have to worry about ship with him.

I was entertained like a classic SG-1 ep. So good job whoever wrote it.

Mitchell82
November 2nd, 2007, 07:15 PM
Excellent episode, this season is really shaping up IMO. I felt doing it with flashbacks made it more suspensfull than if it was straight forward. It would have moved too slowly that way. I do see the point of the ending being rushed, but I disagree. Rodney finished the program to send the cure through the vents all they needed to do was make the cure airborne, so it made sense. I'd rather have 38 minutes of finding out what's going on than the last 8 minutes of making a cure and sending it through the vents. Great team interaction throughout the ep, Carter had quite a bit of screen time and loved seeing her all disheveled. Keller is really shaping up and I really hope we get to keep her. This was a great ep and I am really loving this season so far. Also I'm really glad they didn't kill Katie and I love the two of them together.

Major_Griff
November 2nd, 2007, 07:16 PM
GREAT EP! I loved how they shot the present parts. It all had this weird and creepy vibe to it. Really gave the feeling of disorentation. And the flash backs were great. I kept wanting to find out how it all fit together. I think that was the intent of nonlinear story, to keep everyone in suspence. Also, while for the first 20 or so minutes Ronon and Teyla had little to do, in the end every one was important to the story, even charcters like Lorne and Zelinka! 9/10 overall!

Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:16 PM
Frankly, this one could have been seperated into a two-parter. But I didn't mind the quick resolve.

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:17 PM
Serious????


Did you guys see the new Sci-fi lineup for Friday? Woo hoo! :p

Flash Gordon 8/7c
Stargate Atlantis 9/8c
Stargate Atlantis(New) 10/9c

Yup! :)

Ltcolshepjumper
November 2nd, 2007, 07:17 PM
Now that would have been much better.

Mitchell82
November 2nd, 2007, 07:17 PM
Yup! :)

Heheh yeah!

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:21 PM
Frankly, this one could have been seperated into a two-parter. But I didn't mind the quick resolve.

It resolved quickly the ep, but had a nice buildup. It sorta felt like when you are on a rollercoaster ride. You are on the track that slowly brings you up, and you stomach has that feeling, as you begin to rise above the ground. After that, you come to the very top only to suddenly fall down quickly.

The last few scenes had Teyla being rescued/found, while they rush to Rodney's lab to continue where he left off, at the same time Ronon has to calm down Sheppard so he can get the medicine back to Atlantis and then convince Lorne and his men they are allies.

siXbrownSnakes2
November 2nd, 2007, 07:21 PM
I suppose I agree with you somewhat, but thats generally how most Stargate episodes are set up. The ending gets resolved pretty quickly, and you can usually see it coming, but it was still fun to watch.

agreed, but this one was simply "insert plant into vents".

take "Sateda" for example. You knew Ronon was eventually going to be rescued, but you had no idea how it was going to take place. In this episode, you essentially knew that rodney/sam would find Teyla, and that Ronan/Shep would return with the plant and it would go into the vents and... well.. bam! :)

I liked the episode in general, but I think that the plot could have been unraveled in a different way that could have set up a more suspenseful end of the episode.

Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:22 PM
I agree with the person who stated the hazy blur added to the episode. It did very well compiment it. And I agree with Mitchell82 that if it had aired in chronological order, it would have been boring.

Ltcolshepjumper
November 2nd, 2007, 07:23 PM
agreed, but this one was simply "insert plant into vents".

take "Sateda" for example. You knew Ronon was eventually going to be rescued, but you had no idea how it was going to take place. In this episode, you essentially knew that rodney/sam would find Teyla, and that Ronan/Shep would return with the plant and it would go into the vents and... well.. bam! :)

I liked the episode in general, but I think that the plot could have been unraveled in a different way that could have set up a more suspenseful end of the episode.

It definitely would have made for a perfect two-parter.

Jackie
November 2nd, 2007, 07:24 PM
ep was good but I really hate the time frame jumping. Found it rather distracting. Wish there was less Stargate Rodney...though DH did a great job.

It's odd seeing Sam reduced to a supporting character role--I felt that she should have had more of a role in this ep. Especially since she's replacing Weir and now facing a medical crises where she won't remember who she is.

Dr. Keller did rather well--but I would have loved to have seen Beckett in that same situation--same with Weir.

Major Lorrin showed potential of having a very interesting story arc and so did Zelenka. Zelenka should have had a huge role since he had the crystal. Not really enough sheppard in this as well. The ep could have been a 2 parter for sure.

Over all it was good though

Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:24 PM
It resolved quickly the ep, but had a nice buildup. It sorta felt like when you are on a rollercoaster ride. You are on the track that slowly brings you up, and you stomach has that feeling, as you begin to rise above the ground. After that, you come to the very top only to suddenly fall down quickly.

The last few scenes had Teyla being rescued/found, while they rush to Rodney's lab to continue where he left off, at the same time Ronon has to calm down Sheppard so he can get the medicine back to Atlantis and then convince Lorne and his men they are allies.

I love episode like that. I still give it a 4/5 though. I found Lifeline and Travelers more entertaining, and this one I felt was on par with Adrift.

Wilson3Girl
November 2nd, 2007, 07:24 PM
I loved it! Lots of Lorne! Lots of Zelenka!
Great to see Zelenka, Carter and McKay hiding from Lorne and Co.
Teyla was wonderful. She kept Rodney and everyone else focused.
Sweet Ronon/Shep scene where Ronon was trying to remind Shep about their friendship and all that they'd been through.
Loved Shep's concern for Rodney at the end....the way he quickly looked around the infirmary and said, "Where's McKay?".
I like Katie. She and Rodney are adorable together.
Finally, Keller was good too...she must've been terrified---forgetting types of medication/amnts. of medication when people's lives were in her hands. Scary stuff. Great episode! :)

Wilson3Girl

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:25 PM
I love episode like that. I still give it a 4/5 though. I found Lifeline and Travelers more entertaining, and this one I felt was on par with Adrift.

I agree there. I would uptick the ep to like a 4.5/5 only because that scene with Rodney and Katie was really touching. It shows how much Rodney can really care for someone.........and this folks........ is character development, imo! Woo hoo! :D

Xicer
November 2nd, 2007, 07:27 PM
agreed, but this one was simply "insert plant into vents".

take "Sateda" for example. You knew Ronon was eventually going to be rescued, but you had no idea how it was going to take place. In this episode, you essentially knew that rodney/sam would find Teyla, and that Ronan/Shep would return with the plant and it would go into the vents and... well.. bam! :)

I liked the episode in general, but I think that the plot could have been unraveled in a different way that could have set up a more suspenseful end of the episode.

I think the problem was that there was too much given away at once which made it predictable. That and the SciFi Channel promo which gave away a bit too much info (like they usually do). I think it would have been really cool if there were no flashbacks at all and we just went through the whole episode seeing everything through the points of view of everyone affected by the memory loss. Would have been a great way to connect the audience to story. But then again, I suppose we would be missing a lot of stuff too. Ah well, it was entertaining and that's all that matters.

Ltcolshepjumper
November 2nd, 2007, 07:29 PM
ep was good but I really hate the time frame jumping. Found it rather distracting. Wish there was less Stargate Rodney...though DH did a great job.

It's odd seeing Sam reduced to a supporting character role--I felt that she should have had more of a role in this ep. Especially since she's replacing Weir and now facing a medical crises where she won't remember who she is.

Dr. Keller did rather well--but I would have loved to have seen Beckett in that same situation--same with Weir.

Major Lorrin showed potential of having a very interesting story arc and so did Zelenka. Zelenka should have had a huge role since he had the crystal. Not really enough sheppard in this as well. The ep could have been a 2 parter for sure.

Over all it was good though

To me, carter seemed alright. It would have been nice if tptb could have worked both Weir and Beckett into Season 4 along with Carter and Keller. And, it's Major Lorne. I think Carter's role was fine. What else could she have done anyway?

the fifth man
November 2nd, 2007, 07:29 PM
Overall, tonight's episode was a really good one. The story, for me anyways, really worked well flipping back and forth between the past and present. Some very nice character moments too.:) I like Rodney and Katie together.

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:31 PM
ep was good but I really hate the time frame jumping. Found it rather distracting. Wish there was less Stargate Rodney...though DH did a great job.

It's odd seeing Sam reduced to a supporting character role--I felt that she should have had more of a role in this ep. Especially since she's replacing Weir and now facing a medical crises where she won't remember who she is.

Dr. Keller did rather well--but I would have loved to have seen Beckett in that same situation--same with Weir.

Major Lorrin showed potential of having a very interesting story arc and so did Zelenka. Zelenka should have had a huge role since he had the crystal. Not really enough sheppard in this as well. The ep could have been a 2 parter for sure.

Over all it was good though

The time shift was actually done really well, imo. I loved how they time-shift just BAM! came together. Sunday, they sorta jumped around too much.

Mattathias2.0
November 2nd, 2007, 07:35 PM
I agree there. I would uptick the ep to like a 4.5/5 only because that scene with Rodney and Katie was really touching. It shows how much Rodney can really care for someone.........and this folks........ is character development, imo! Woo hoo! :D

There has been alot of that this year.

I liked Teyla in this episode, but I still found her moment speaking to Ronon in Reunion really really good in comparison.

I agree on the Rodney/Katie scenes were great!

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:44 PM
There has been alot of that this year.

I liked Teyla in this episode, but I still found her moment speaking to Ronon in Reunion really really good in comparison.

I agree on the Rodney/Katie scenes were great!

SGA is having a lot more heartfeld moments, and that is really great to add to the character's chemistry.

the fifth man
November 2nd, 2007, 07:47 PM
SGA is having a lot more heartfeld moments, and that is really great to add to the character's chemistry.

I couldn't agree more. It's a real shame we haven't seen as many of these kinds of moments in previous seasons.

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
I couldn't agree more. It's a real shame we haven't seen as many of these kinds of moments in previous seasons.

The only flaw to this episode was...

It was not long enough! :p

WingedPegasus
November 2nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
What's this about "finding" Teyla? Was she hiding or something?

Anybody got a summary?

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 07:49 PM
What's this about "finding" Teyla? Was she hiding or something?

Anybody got a summary?

She was actually captured by Lorne. This is where the time-shifting came together. I think that very well done how it was a mystery... where is Waldo.. er um Teyla, and the scene where she encounters Lorne and his men is the same exact moment where the episode begins. I thought it was really clever.

AGateFan
November 2nd, 2007, 07:50 PM
What's this about "finding" Teyla? Was she hiding or something?

Anybody got a summary?
She was captured by Lorne's team.
Rodney knew he needed her help since she was the only one in the city that could remember anything. So he left himself a message to make sure he went to find her when he had finished the program to disburse the medicine.

Major_Griff
November 2nd, 2007, 07:52 PM
Yeah my friend and I were talking about how Teyla took on like a mythic quest kind of role. We compared it to Heroes "Save Teyla, Save the city"

WingedPegasus
November 2nd, 2007, 07:52 PM
She was actually captured by Lorne. This is where the time-shifting came together. I think that very well done how it was a mystery... where is Waldo.. er um Teyla, and the scene where she encounters Lorne and his men is the same exact moment where the episode begins. I thought it was really clever.

Thanks! Were there any funny or whumpy moments? (Sorry, I'm probably gonna be a pest until somebody does a summary. :D)

WingedPegasus
November 2nd, 2007, 07:53 PM
She was captured by Lorne's team.
Rodney knew he needed her help since she was the only one in the city that could remember anything. So he left himself a message to make sure he went to find her when he had finished the program to disburse the medicine.

Where was Ronon then?

Mitchell82
November 2nd, 2007, 07:58 PM
I agree with the person who stated the hazy blur added to the episode. It did very well compiment it. And I agree with Mitchell82 that if it had aired in chronological order, it would have been boring.

Hey I forgot about that. Yeah I loved that part and seeing Mckay so scared was kinda funny. Really loving the Keller development so far as well.

AGateFan
November 2nd, 2007, 07:58 PM
Where was Ronon then?
He was on the mainland with Shep getting the plant to make the medicine.

Mitchell82
November 2nd, 2007, 07:58 PM
Where was Ronon then?

With Shep.

Gate gal
November 2nd, 2007, 07:58 PM
I thought Teyla was really good in this, which is funny since she didn’t have that much screen time but she kept Rodney (and the others at the end) focused. I like little skittish Zelinka. I thought the new doctor did a fine job.
I loved Teyla and Zelinka in this one, too. Keller is becoming a favorite of mine already. I really loved seeing Teyla and Rodney interact. We don't see them together much.
I thought Carter did also did a fine job falling back to a more SG-1ish version of herself (I don’t know why I think that but that’s how it struck me).

I also figured out early that it was going to be a common disease in Pegasus and that Teyla and Ronan would be immune (its really surprising there haven’t been more of this type of ep.....I guess if a SG-1 ep must be compared to it, it would be Broca Divide). I thought Carter went back into SG-1 mode when she lost her memory, too. She was going on pure instinct. She knew who she trusted and went with her gut. She reminded me of the Sam from Beneath the Surface, and that made total sense since that episode involved memory loss, too. I also think that Sam's behavior at the beginning (cool headed Sam-in-Command but still trying to fit into her new environment) contrasted well with Sam minus her memory (SG-1 mode and going on gut instinct). Excellent job!
However, I kind of thought for a minute that they killed off Katie too, especially after those 2 men died. I was prepared for the firestorm on this board, so in a way I will miss that she didn’t die ;).....although I really am happy she didn’t. I do like that McKay has a girlfriend so we don’t have to worry about ship with him.
Yeah, I was worried too. Katie makes McKay a more well-rounded character. I'm glad she isn't dead. I loved that McKay was willing to even endure sitting around the infirmary for her. It was so sweet. I'm glad the writers took the chance on giving us a little love story.

I was entertained like a classic SG-1 ep. So good job whoever wrote it.
Couldn't agree with you more! It was a 10/10 in my book! Definitely the best episode of the season!

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 08:05 PM
I am gonna get something thrown at me for this one...

I predict the thread traffic will be spread out throughout the weekend because a lot of people DVR'd the show and will watch over the next few days. :) :P

Anlaria Onyx
November 2nd, 2007, 08:05 PM
This was one of my favorite episodes so far. Just all around awesome!

The actors were beyond amazing. Honestly, who knew Kavan could play a crack head so well? :P

The story line was a bit jumpy but I couldn't think about anything else! It was so good! I didn't like Travelers so this was the perfect come back for me.

Can't wait for Missing!!

Mack_1
November 2nd, 2007, 08:12 PM
Well I have to say it I really love/like this episode. 10/10

Everybody had something to do, and they did it well, I like the time shifting and Mckey did so good (this is the second episode I love his acting) that last scene was so good and touching, for a minute there I thought not that Katie? would die, but that she would woke up and she couldn't remember who Mckey was, I was surprise the writers didn't kill her or gave Mckay more angst.

Love Carter/Mckay scaping she was holding Mckay's hand leading him to safety so funny.:mckay::sam:

Ronon and Sheppard in the main land really good.:ronan::sheppard:

And Teyla protecting Mckay and taking care of them was so good also.:teyla:

Have to say SGA is winning me over.;)


Mckay:When I said I was finish I guess I wasn't Kidding
Carter: Now what?
Teyla: Now we just have to hope that Col. Sheppard and Ronon completed their side of the mission
Carter,Selenka,Mckay: (Looking at Teyla) Who?


Quote of the episode

Lorne: This is our commanding officer
Sheppard:That's right..I'm your comanding officer...so you should do what I say
Lorne: Yes sir..what are your orders
Sheppard: Do what he says (turning and looking at Ronon):)

ToasterOnFire
November 2nd, 2007, 08:18 PM
I thought it was a great ep! Finally, finally, FINALLY after sifting through 5 mediocre to poor eps I've found an ep I'd sit down and watch again, right now, with no hesitation. This is why I stick around rather than flat out giving up on the show!

The entire ep kept my interest as the mysteries kept on unraveling. I knew about the virus, but I didn't know why Teyla was important or why the military was hunting down people or what had happened to Ronon and Shep. So it was fun to see how everything played out during the ep.

No one annoyed me in this ep! That's got to be some sort of record! Shep wasn't his smug, irritating self or having women throw themselves at him, Ronon didn't go all caveman, Rodney wasn't whiny or the butt of jokes, Teyla didn't seem stiff PLUS she got to kick butt AND was responsible for solving the ep's problem! How often does that happen?! Plus this was the first time I felt that Keller was really CO of the medical division and Carter even blended well into the ep. And to top it off, the Katie/Rodney scenes didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought they would. Wow! Still wouldn't have minded if she bit it, though. :P

Who wrote this ep? Oh, it's Alan McCullough. Funny, I thought his stuff on SG1 was kinda eh, but this ep was wonderful. And he's slated for 2 more SGA eps, so I'm expecting great things from him. No pressure. :D

cavalierlwt
November 2nd, 2007, 08:37 PM
Great episode, I think we have consensus! I liked the way it was structured flashback/present and eventually merging them. Also great was the way all the characters were taken outside of their standard roles a bit. Gotta love Zelenka turning into a wily elusive survivor-type.
Good to see Rodney with a girlfriend, offers a bit of balance to him.
Kudos to the writers, they pulled off a great episode and if you think about it, they kinda did it on the cheap. No big space battles, minimal special effects, just running around the SGA set.

beneaththeblue
November 2nd, 2007, 08:42 PM
Did you guys see the new Sci-fi lineup for Friday? Woo hoo! :p

Flash Gordon 8/7c
Stargate Atlantis 9/8c
Stargate Atlantis(New) 10/9c

Can I ask where you saw that? That would be great, but the schedule I see posted at Sci-Fi only shows that happening on one Friday, the night of the mid-season finale.
But I loved that we got so many Stargate SG-1 eps tonight!

McKayManiacs92
November 2nd, 2007, 08:44 PM
Mckay:When I said I was finish I guess I wasn't Kidding
Carter: Now what?
Teyla: Now we just have to hope that Col. Sheppard and Ronon completed their side of the mission
Carter,Selenka,Mckay: (Looking at Teyla) Who?


Quote of the episode

Lorne: This is our commanding officer
Sheppard:That's right..I'm your comanding officer...so you should do what I say
Lorne: Yes sir..what are your orders
Sheppard: Do what he says (turning and looking at Ronon):)

I have to say, those are some of the best lines for me in this episode! lol....along with the Czech that Zelenka starts to mutter after first meeting Rodney with both of their lost memory! lol....such a good episode!

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 08:47 PM
Can I ask where you saw that? That would be great, but the schedule I see posted at Sci-Fi only shows that happening on one Friday, the night of the mid-season finale.
But I loved that we got so many Stargate SG-1 eps tonight!

After the preview of the new episode, it shows a pic of the shows and times. You can ask anyone here who watched the ep live, probably saw it also. :)

Mitchell82
November 2nd, 2007, 08:50 PM
Well I have to say it I really love/like this episode. 10/10

Everybody had something to do, and they did it well, I like the time shifting and Mckey did so good (this is the second episode I love his acting) that last scene was so good and touching, for a minute there I thought not that Katie? would die, but that she would woke up and she couldn't remember who Mckey was, I was surprise the writers didn't kill her or gave Mckay more angst.

Love Carter/Mckay scaping she was holding Mckay's hand leading him to safety so funny.:mckay::sam:

Ronon and Sheppard in the main land really good.:ronan::sheppard:

And Teyla protecting Mckay and taking care of them was so good also.:teyla:

Have to say SGA is winning me over.;)


Mckay:When I said I was finish I guess I wasn't Kidding
Carter: Now what?
Teyla: Now we just have to hope that Col. Sheppard and Ronon completed their side of the mission
Carter,Selenka,Mckay: (Looking at Teyla) Who?


Quote of the episode

Lorne: This is our commanding officer
Sheppard:That's right..I'm your comanding officer...so you should do what I say
Lorne: Yes sir..what are your orders
Sheppard: Do what he says (turning and looking at Ronon):)
I agree and I'm personally glad they didn't kill Katie off or I'd be pissed. As to the quote I 100% agree I loved that scene!

ladyjanus
November 2nd, 2007, 08:58 PM
Very nice episode, kept my interest from beginning to end.

A previous poster made mention of the fact that all the characters were "out of their element." I think that may be what I appreciated most about the whole ep. I took all the major characters and kind of stood them on their heads, character-wise. And gave just about everyone of them some great little moments along the way.

And yea! lots of Teyla in this ep. Including one great little fight scene. BTW, who is RL's stunt double? that fall and slide across the corridor when Teyla is stunned by Lorne's men was wicked.

Plus lots of Lorne. My appreciation of Kavan Smith and the character of Lorne just keeps on growing with each appearance.

I also have to revise my opinion of Sam's hair. I hated it in one of the last episodes with its funky, clunky upsweep, but it looks good on her in this ep.

All in all, a good ep. Not that I've disliked any of the eps this season. At least we haven't what I consider real clunkers, like the Richard Kind "love drug" episode. Blech.....

ladyjanus

wiseowl777
November 2nd, 2007, 09:02 PM
i was def tricked into being visibly upset at the writers at the end there... good save, not adding to a growing list of casulaties of... well something
-great episode!

Gate gal
November 2nd, 2007, 09:10 PM
Can I ask where you saw that? That would be great, but the schedule I see posted at Sci-Fi only shows that happening on one Friday, the night of the mid-season finale.
But I loved that we got so many Stargate SG-1 eps tonight!

Just rewatched the end of SGA and I can confirm the new line up is:
Flash
SGA
New SGA

Yeah!

Man, it was even better the second time around. This is actually in my top ten SGA episodes, I think.

I loved Teyla's fight scene, too. The little moments on the planet with Ronan and John nearly coming to blows were pretty great, too. And Lorne...he was just great!

Briangate78
November 2nd, 2007, 09:14 PM
Just rewatched the end of SGA and I can confirm the new line up is:
Flash
SGA
New SGA

Yeah!

Man, it was even better the second time around. This is actually in my top ten SGA episodes, I think.

I loved Teyla's fight scene, too. The little moments on the planet with Ronan and John nearly coming to blows were pretty great, too. And Lorne...he was just great!

I just rewatched it as well. Yeah, when an ep is still interesting the 2nd time around, that is a good sign. The only ep I did not really enjoy the 2nd time was Travelers.

BTW, thanks for clarifying the new Sci-fi lineup. I am predicting that SGA could very well end up in the 9pm slot for their new Season 4 eps in the 2nd half. That would really help live ratings. I guess it all depends what programming they have planned after Flash ends.

Melora
November 2nd, 2007, 09:28 PM
I have to say this is my favorite episode so far this season. It was just a great team ep where everyone had something important to do. The story was interesting and well executed and the character moments were well done. I was worried at the beginning b/c there was so little of Teyla and Ronon, but that was remedied in the second half.

There were so many great moments. I loved Rodney keeping Katie company and watching over her. It was really sweet and shows a lot of growth for him. I really hope nothing happens to her or their relationship. She's good for him.

I loved how strong and calm Teyla was and how she kept Rodney focused on the task at hand. I liked Ronon and Sheppard confronting each other by the puddle jumper. And I really loved the scene with Sam and Rodney talking about how they could search the city for Teyla b/c "how big can it be?" and then finding out just how big it is.

For his first SGA outing, Alan McCullough did an excellent job. :)

mrtwidlywinks
November 2nd, 2007, 09:33 PM
Great episode, I loved the whole shedding the light on rarely seen/fairly new characters. Crazy-rogue Zelinka was great.

BUT

I found it a little too convenient that McKay had the code for the cell written on his arm, and that Carter knew to look in the holding room-it's amazing they even found it, considering they've forgotten how to get around ("How big could it be..."). Seriously, why did they need to find Teyla in the first place? Finding her didn't really do anything, except she gave McKay the encouragement to press "Enter". He should've just recorded himself saying something like "press enter and it will make everything better," or something. Lastly, Ronan's speech at the jumper to Sheppard was horrible-I normally love the guy, but he had no emotion in his voice when he spoke, and what could have been a very emotional, moving scene ended up more like someone just reading a script.
Otherwise, very good episode, this whole season has been great.

Melora
November 2nd, 2007, 09:44 PM
Great episode, I loved the whole shedding the light on rarely seen/fairly new characters. Crazy-rogue Zelinka was great.

BUT

I found it a little too convenient that McKay had the code for the cell written on his arm, and that Carter knew to look in the holding room-it's amazing they even found it, considering they've forgotten how to get around ("How big could it be..."). Seriously, why did they need to find Teyla in the first place? Finding her didn't really do anything, except she gave McKay the encouragement to press "Enter". He should've just recorded himself saying something like "press enter and it will make everything better," or something. Lastly, Ronan's speech at the jumper to Sheppard was horrible-I normally love the guy, but he had no emotion in his voice when he spoke, and what could have been a very emotional, moving scene ended up more like someone just reading a script.
Otherwise, very good episode, this whole season has been great.

Actually, they mentioned how they found the holding room. When Teyla asked how they had found her, they said that they followed one of the soldiers.

vaberella
November 2nd, 2007, 09:53 PM
9.5 OUT OF 10
After my utter disappointment with Travelers this was a fantastic ep. It flowed well, back to the team ep. I wasn't too into Teyla's usage---she wasn't as active as I'd like to see her be, but in the scenes she was in she was cool. Normally she's active on screen even if she's not utilized to her magnitude, but I'll elaborate later, I'll give a general idea on this ep.


Very "MEMENTO" -ish. I was waiting for McKay to say, "You see...I have this condition..." It would have been class really. I love the pic addition and the whole writing on his arm...long live Memento in setting a wicked presedence. SGA did well in utilizing aspects of the movie in the show.

Okay, I'd like to give a big, "woohoo" in again seeing the entire team working on this, again wanted more Teyla, but it's neither here nor there. It was still balanced and functional.

:mckay: Adored him. I loved his scenes, and those in paticular with Zelenka. He was a far more frantic 'Leonard' but Leonard was used to the state of his affairs, so that's the difference. It was just cool to see the writing on the arm and trying to remember important points..."I have this condition..."

:teyla: She was cool, not specky but wicked. I liked her matrix moves from the stunner in her little moment versus Lorne and crew. She put up a good fight, and of course Teyla had her "uber smart" moment, which I was begging for. Thanks JM for that, I really enjoyed seeing her in action.

:sheppard: Totally entertaining and better usage of his character versus that non-sense called Travelers. I like the looks of intensity in Shep and I like seeing Shep uncertain and unsettled. It's invigorating for his character and it's such a juxtaposition to his role as second in command in SGA.

:sam: She was entertaining, it was a bit easy for her and her memory was great for someone lost. But I liked her usage. The whole proletariat versus bourgeoisie moment ie scientists (proletariat under military control and jurisdiction) versus military (bourgeoisie controlling the scientists and taking over Atlantis). It does play on the fears of many of the fans of SGA---of course this is me taking a more philosophical turn with the ep which may not have been implied, but this was the first thought running through my head when I saw the scientists bumrush the military. Great plan Sam (she's extraordinary because she's both military and scientst)!!!

:ronan:He was class...was it my shipper heart that picked up on something when Teyla told him to inform Keller and there was a little...meh, don't know...Anyway he was great, and I loved his moments. But you know the writers love Ronon so this is as per usual.

:sam: (Keller) Not to be funny, but I actually liked her more than I liked Carson in eps where he was utilized a lot. I think it's because it was beautiful and her usage was realistic. Her purpose was well defined and she wasn't worthless, plus you felt her anxiety and she was just aware of her surroundings. She was great.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now a few more general statements. I might be the only one who saw this, much like the whole pro/bourg concept, but I totally saw this ep as an extention of Doppelganger.

John not being capable of carrying out his posts because of his mental health problems. He feels inadequate and useless.

Teyla's situation of feeling untrust worthy as seen with Lorne's statement. The dynamic was there and made fully descriptive.

Ronon's is a bit different because they maintained the whole Atlantis connection but they did revisit the whole uninhabited world and he's sent there to get the herbs and bring it back since he's on a race against time.

Keller's fear of not being able to do her job and just being incapable of fulfilling her duties. I was impressed, because it was another way of giving us that story and maintaining continuity.

McKay's fears weren't really touched upon but his was a bit more fantastical and out there.

Lorne's not trusting John was revisited again and it was great taht Shep thought ahead with the picture.

Again it was just a really good balance not only of characterization, added social commentary ---from my perspective, and I was totally excited by the fact that we had another moment of continuity and reflection of the intentions and motives and feelings of the characters from Doppelganger!!



9.5 OUT OF 10

lirenel
November 2nd, 2007, 09:56 PM
I greatly enjoyed this episode. I'm always wary about Katie/Rodney ship, since before it seemed kinda forced to me. But having McKay go with her when he doesn't like being around sick people, plus the end scene, was just precious. DH uses his facial expressions to great advantage.

I also like how, even when losing their memory, most people seemed to keep a sense of what was most important or ingrained. This seen especially in the soldiers. They were obviously affected, but they still retained that sense that they had to obey orders, and kept a vague recollection that that order was to herd the people in the mess hall. Then, once they were told that Sheppard was their commanding officer, they flawlessly moved into asking for orders. Then, as someone else mentioned, Sam also did the same, falling back into her personality from when she was on SG-1 which would also be very ingrained in her.

As a McKeyla shipper (yes, we actually exist, even though it's technically my secondary ship after McWeir) I enjoyed the Rodney/Teyla scenes. Don't get a lot of those. As for what someone mentioned above, about why Teyla was needed, I have a theory. I think Rodney recorded the message, tied himself up and continued working on the problem until his memory left for good. Of course, when he recorded the message he wouldn't have known how far he would have gotten before his slate went blank. So the fact that all he had to do was hit the enter key wouldn't have helped when he recorded it. Just a theory.

9.5/10, because I'm still a bit petulant about lack of McWeir.

KiLL3r
November 2nd, 2007, 10:00 PM
Great Episode. The start reminded me of the blink episode from doctor who with the leaving the message sorta thing. I liked how they used flashbacks to show what had actually happened instead of explaining it verbally. Zelenka was great as usual the thought of him running around knocking off the soldiers made me chuckle.

And im sure everyone thought katie was gonna be knocked off at the end :cool:


9/10

mrtwidlywinks
November 2nd, 2007, 10:06 PM
Actually, they mentioned how they found the holding room. When Teyla asked how they had found her, they said that they followed one of the soldiers.
Oops-must've missed that line.

majorsal
November 2nd, 2007, 10:11 PM
great ep! :D

tightly written and directed. and very enjoyable watching out ppl lose their memories. :p

the only complaint is that it ended too abruptly.

this is my 6th ep and i've not seen one weak one of the lot. well done! ;)

~my fave line was sam saying 'do it'. just have to squee at that!! :D :p~




sally :D

lord-anubis
November 2nd, 2007, 10:13 PM
soo this teyla chacter is new to the show???j/klol

i really can't rember the last time i have seen teyla in a ep so much maybe i havent been paiding ehough atentson. it was petty good. i all most dident watch it sent i dident like the idea of the ep but im gald i did. also i don't know if any of you people watch attack of the show on g4. they had one of the people form it on stargate atlantis i was the one telling shepp that he dident want to go to the caffitra i think.

Michelle05
November 2nd, 2007, 10:18 PM
Wow, great episode! Very tight plot, great filming techniques with the high- contrast shooting. Wonderful character moments all around, and I thought David H did an exceptional job, giving lots of nuance to his usual panic.

Loved the John and Ronon scene. Loved Lorne and his team's single-mindedness with the one thing they had left in their memories. Loved John waking up and soon asking after Rodney. :)

The only criticism I would give, and I know I'm biased, but I find Keller's manner of speaking too dry and unemotional. Maybe it's realistic that a doctor would be that way, but it's the same reason I never warmed up to Dr. Lam on SG-1. I miss :beckett:

But overall, very well done to the handsome Allan McCullough and Martin Wood. Can't wait to hear the commentary for this one!

WHG5885
November 2nd, 2007, 10:22 PM
Another brillant episode for this season. Not only was it a great episode, but well written, I really enjoyed the attention to detail, and the whole back story flashbacks. And the opening scene with McKay watching the video of himself, that was a great way to start off the epsiode.

McKay writting little notes on his arms, was a great little nod to "Memento," very appropiate for a episode where everyone has no memories. And the fact that Ronon and Teyla were immune becasue its a natural bacteria in the pegasus galaxy was great(slightly mutated bacteria, but generally the same).

I'm so glad that Katie didn't die, it was scary for a moment when it shows Rodney holding her hand and he is face down, like he was crying, but it turned out ok.

I also want to add that I am pleased with the introduction of Niall Matter as Lt. Kemp in this epsiode. Niall is great in Eureka as Zane Donozan, he is a great actor with alot of potential, I can't wait to see his character again in "Be All My Sins Remember'd," hopefully his character will be seen more in the future. I think Lt. Kemp could be a great addition to the stargate universe, he just has a great feel about him.

Anyway, it was a great episode, and the preview for next weeks episode looked very promising.

majorsal
November 2nd, 2007, 10:29 PM
I thought Carter went back into SG-1 mode when she lost her memory, too. She was going on pure instinct. She knew who she trusted and went with her gut. She reminded me of the Sam from Beneath the Surface, and that made total sense since that episode involved memory loss, too. I also think that Sam's behavior at the beginning (cool headed Sam-in-Command but still trying to fit into her new environment) contrasted well with Sam minus her memory (SG-1 mode and going on gut instinct).

i thought the scene where sam told the guys to take the jumper and/or go through the gate, and then ronan and teyla told her that she'd prevented it - amanda did great with that confused 'i said what? i did?' look. :p

on a cute sidenote, in my tv section of the newpaper, this is how they wrote up about tonight's ep: 'a virus-enducing amnesia has the whole cast forgetting their lines." :p



sally :D

female Wraith
November 2nd, 2007, 10:35 PM
Very good episode:)

RealmOfX
November 2nd, 2007, 10:37 PM
I am gonna get something thrown at me for this one...

I predict the thread traffic will be spread out throughout the weekend because a lot of people DVR'd the show and will watch over the next few days. :) :P

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

OR

it could be because the people who post in this forum come from all around the world and it takes them various amounts of time to get their hands on an ep

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

1138
November 2nd, 2007, 10:43 PM
This was a good episode, although they could have done so much more with it. First, I would have gotten rid of the flashbacks entirely. The characters didn't know anything, so the audience shouldn't either. So as McKay found out more and more about the situation, the audience discovers it with him. Why are the soldiers acting like the secret police and rounding everyone up? Why is Teyla so important? It would have been a true mystery if we weren't told it was a disease.

Instead of the flashbacks, I'd fill the time with McKay's quest to find Teyla. And what would have been really a great bit of storytelling is to make Atlantis like a dystopian society, where the soldiers are just mechanically rounding people up and enforcing order. It really would have fit in, since they're doing that because of their memory loss. You'd have McKay escape with thematic elements from THX 1138 and 1984 (soldiers as secret police, scientists / civilians as the general population, Big Brother being represented by the soldiers' standing orders or even that picture of Sheppard). I think it would have been a really intense episode. Once they find Teyla, all of the flashbacks could be explained in a few lines. But the build-up to that would have been phenomenal and we'd get a mystery / thriller / dystopian tale out of it.

I still really liked what we got but I think it could have been a lot more intense.

As a side note, the schematics of the ventilation system really do look like the piping layout for a real system. The graphics were very reminiscent of the plant operations monitor at a steam plant of a company where I worked as an engineering intern.

watcher652
November 2nd, 2007, 11:10 PM
This episode was great! What a season this is turning out to be.

Yes, so you can make a case for why didn't they put id tags on everyone or put bio sheets in everyone's pockets or have a laptop on loop with Carter telling everyone what was happening. But you know what? Then you wouldn't have had the fantastic episode. Just go with it, okay? I wanted to head off any complaints in that department! 8-)

morjana
November 2nd, 2007, 11:54 PM
SGA - SciFi Channel SGA Site Updates Nov. 2 - Tabula Rasa:

From the SciFi Channel's Stargate Atlantis site:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/

"Tabula Rasa"

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/episodes.php?seas=4&ep=0406&act=1

* Episode synopsis
* Photos


Next NEW episode: "Missing" - Friday, Nov. 9 - Arriving on New Athos for an overnight visit, Teyla and Dr. Keller discover the entire settlement abandoned and their own lives in jeopardy from a primitive warrior tribe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/missing.jpg

Trailer for "Missing:"

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=176788


Alex Levine's Blog Update:

Learn more about this week's episode in the Stargate Blog!

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/


NEW: QUIZ

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/quiz_pic_keller.jpg

Nov. 3, 2007
The Jennifer Keller trivia quiz is just what the new doctor ordered. It's a prescription for fun!

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/quizzes/keller/index.php?start=1


VIDEO (at SGA's new Featurettes section)

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php

NEW -
Nov. 1, 2007
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Amanda Tapping (Dr. Samantha Carter) answers fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=6

or

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=176262

Prior videos:

David Hewlett Q&A - Part 1
David Hewlett (Dr. Rodney McKay) answers fan questions from the Forum in this special Q&A series.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=5

Q and A with Jewel Staite
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Jewel Staite (Jennifer Keller) answers fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=4

Q and A with Jason Momoa
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Jason Momoa (Ronon Dex) fields fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=3

Q and A with Joe Flanigan
In a new video Q&A, Joe Flanigan (Col. John Sheppard) answers questions that were submitted by fans through SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum - Part 1.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=2

David Hewlett & Amanda Tapping
Watch the new video Q&A with Stargate Atlantis stars Amanda Tapping and David Hewlett, who answered fans' questions about the show's fourth season.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=1

AutumnDream
November 3rd, 2007, 12:52 AM
I really liked this one. What a step up from last week!

+Interesting story that took a relatively dull base concept and executed it well.
+Very clever to have Atlantis' own military become the antagonists. The way the various events were set up was intriguing. It was a little too convenient that McKay left his work at pressing the Enter key, but I'll let it slide just because I'm so relieved the episode had more depth than the paper-thin Travelers.
+Ronon was hilarious and cool.
+I always enjoy seeing Teyla beat dudes up.
+I also always enjoy seeing Zelenka. He's great every time.
+Keller continues to be perfectly amiable.
+Sam didn't seem too out of place this episode. I'm still not seeing how she's some massive improvement over Weir though. Whatever. (She looked nice in black, too.)
+Creepy feeling throughout the "Present" scenes. Nice work on lighting, directing, etc.
+A reference to a lost character. Wow! On SGA!?
+It's nice that they actually used an intricacy of the Pegasus galaxy for a plot point, and nicer still that the new planet had an impact on things.
+Cute ending scene. I was afraid she was gonna die. (The desired effect, I'm sure.)
+Hey, wait! An episode that took place on the city the show is named for? I-impossible!

Gate-builder
November 3rd, 2007, 01:37 AM
This is so unfair, I can't see this until I can find somewhere to download it from, I'm going crazy waiting! Sounds like a really good episode from what everyone is saying though so it should be worth the wait.

morjana
November 3rd, 2007, 02:08 AM
Another terrific episode to a fantastic season!

Really enjoyed this one.

Fascinating change in Rodney's behavior when he's around Katie. You can see that Rodney has been hiding behind his sarcastic attitude for a long time -- who has he been hurt by and why? But his love for Katie is...affirmative and healing. VERY glad that Katie survived this disease, looking forward to seeing more of Rodney and Katie.

Lovely way to show character growth.

As mentioned in previous posts, having all the characters retain their core identity was excellent. The same occurred with the exquisite SG1 episode, "Beneath the Surface" -- Daniel was still the diplomat, Teal'c the protector, Jack the instigator, and Sam the wonderer. In this episode, Sam relied on her "gut" feelings about the people around her and the situation.

LOVED Zelenka! Wow, Zelenka is getting a work out this season. He is so enjoyable. Interesting though, how he remembered both English and Czech.

Interesting on the use of the lighting to highlight the flashbacks, and according to Alex Levine's blog, this was all done while filming, and not in post-production.

Looking forward to "Missing," the remainder of the season, and of course, season five.

Woo-hoo!

Morjana

morjana
November 3rd, 2007, 02:16 AM
Did you guys see the new Sci-fi lineup for Friday? Woo hoo! :p

Flash Gordon 8/7c
Stargate Atlantis 9/8c
Stargate Atlantis(New) 10/9c

Thanks for the heads up, Briangate78


According to TV Guide Online, this is the line up (and subject to changes):

6pm Stargate SG-1
7pm Bionic Woman
8pm Flash Gordon
9pm Stargate Atlantis - repeat of "Tabula Rasa"
10pm Stargate Atlantis - new episode "Missing"
11pm Flash Gordon
MIDNIGHT Stargate Atlantis - new episode "Missing"
1am Stargate SG-1

Morjana

Shan Bruce Lee
November 3rd, 2007, 02:33 AM
Meh.

It was interesting and different, I'll give it that. But it was only really suspenseful at the beginning because you knew they would eventually find teyla and that ronon and sheppard would eventually find the drug.

It seems a common habit with TPTB these days. There is a problem, then there is a bunch of dialog between the characters which essentially creates a plan to deal with said problem, and then the rest of the episode is just that plan being carried out. That and/or the ending is quick and cheesy.

I hate knowing how the episode is going to end 30 minutes in. However, if that is the case, I'd like it to be in an episode like this one.

On the flip side, the acting was superb and Martin Wood did an excellent job directing.

That's just about every show on TV though. Except Heroes maybe. It takes them a whole damn season to tell one story...

Shan Bruce Lee
November 3rd, 2007, 02:38 AM
Yeah my friend and I were talking about how Teyla took on like a mythic quest kind of role. We compared it to Heroes "Save Teyla, Save the city"

nice

Shan Bruce Lee
November 3rd, 2007, 02:46 AM
The actors were beyond amazing. Honestly, who knew Kavan could play a crack head so well? :P

He kinda played a junkie on Smallville too. I didn't really like his character and thought he sucked. He's cool as Lorne though.

Shan Bruce Lee
November 3rd, 2007, 02:55 AM
This is so unfair, I can't see this until I can find somewhere to download it from, I'm going crazy waiting! Sounds like a really good episode from what everyone is saying though so it should be worth the wait.

Is it on iTunes yet? The only time I've ever checked was for 'Adrift' and that one took forever because the put up the wrong episode.

hisg1fans
November 3rd, 2007, 03:17 AM
I loved Tabula Rasa!

I'm new to Atlantis (11 year SG1 fan) and begrudgingly went back to watch the first 3 seasons to catch up. With the new season, I've liked some episodes, but almost gave up after last week's show. The stories as a whole just weren't grabbing me. There were shining moments, but I was still watching out of loyalty to Stargate and not because of an intense burning desire to see 'Atlantis'.

And then I saw Tabula Rasa. Of course, to add to the excitement of the evening, my cable/TV spazzed out the first 20 minutes and I was rushing from room to room trying to find a TV that worked. (Just like in the show ;) )

I loved it. It 'grabbed' me and I felt like I was watching a 'classic' SG1 episode. Good story, good action, good character interaction, some humor, everything. So now I'm hooked for the rest of the season and actually am excited to see the rest of the episodes.

I loved Zelenka too. Just a hint of old geo-politics with the Czech being the only one to evade the soldiers (hints of his country's past relations with the Soviets). Excellent! :D

Another reason I think I liked the show so much was Rodney and Sheppard were separated. The two of them together have really been grating on my nerves and I really needed a break from the two of them together. 'Low-key' Rodney was actually pretty endearing. Katie is good for the character and the show IMO.

It was neat to see the 'true' natures of each character eventually emerge as the show went on. All of the cast gave amazing performances. Did anybody else notice just how many pens the one 'Dr.' (who I've never seen before, black poofy hair) had in his pocket?

Great job cast and crew!!

iolanda
November 3rd, 2007, 03:38 AM
There is one points missing in your pointes why this is an absolutely adorable episode.

In the last scene, where Rodney is sitting next to Katies bed it is actually her holding his hand. This was so sweet.

hisg1fans
November 3rd, 2007, 03:46 AM
There is one points missing in your pointes why this is an absolutely adorable episode.

In the last scene, where Rodney is sinnting next to Katies bed it is actually her holding his hand. This was so sweet.

I agree wholeheartedly :)

DONNA BOOTH
November 3rd, 2007, 03:51 AM
I havent actually seen this episode yet but from wht all you guys have wrote it looks awesome

The.Road.Not.Taken
November 3rd, 2007, 03:55 AM
ive just watched it now on youtube it was so good and funny to see everyone question where they are and where ronan shoots shepard in the jumper

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 04:32 AM
ive just watched it now on youtube it was so good and funny to see everyone question where they are and where ronan shoots shepard in the jumper
Ok,

Was it me or when he shot sheppard did he say "that never gets old". Thats what I heard and to me thats a ROFLMAO line. Of course if I just made that up in my brain.....its still funny...but I am positive it was just more good writing for the ep an ep where they did the "little things" just right.

*Oda*
November 3rd, 2007, 04:42 AM
There is one points missing in your pointes why this is an absolutely adorable episode.

In the last scene, where Rodney is sinnting next to Katies bed it is actually her holding his hand. This was so sweet.

Couldn't agree more. I LOVED Rodney resting his head on her hand in the end. That was fabolous. :)


Ok,

Was it me or when he shot sheppard did he say "that never gets old". Thats what I heard and to me thats a ROFLMAO line. Of course if I just made that up in my brain.....its still funny...but I am positive it was just more good writing for the ep an ep where they did the "little things" just right.

Yup, he said "Never gets old". Funny :D

hisg1fans
November 3rd, 2007, 04:45 AM
....I found it a little too convenient that McKay had the code for the cell written on his arm, .....

I thought this too. But, it was the only plot point I thought didn't make sense. Everything else he wrote on his arm made logical sense he would write. But, the code to the cell? That made me go 'unuh'.


...Yes, so you can make a case for why didn't they put id tags on everyone or put bio sheets in everyone's pockets...

How do we know they didn't have something in their pockets and just forgot they had pockets? ;)


Ok, Was it me or when he shot sheppard did he say "that never gets old". Thats what I heard and to me thats a ROFLMAO line. Of course if I just made that up in my brain.....its still funny...but I am positive it was just more good writing for the ep an ep where they did the "little things" just right.

I caught that too. LOL!! Excellent line :D

Merlin7
November 3rd, 2007, 05:00 AM
Not my fave of the five but above Reunion. Rewatchable for me for the Shep bits. I enjoyed most everyone, but I always prefer eps that don't revolve more around Rodney. I don't buy him and Katie and found that very boring and unbelievable. He's all HOT WOMEN for two eps then he's sitting by Katie's bedside? Plus I find her to be very bland and just...meh. She makes Rodney all simpering and not Rodney, so I kinda wished she had died.

Ronon and Shep bits were awesome. I didn't mind Carter with Shep. Loved Zelenka. It was nice to see everyone used but this is an ep I'll only rewatch for the Shep stuff.

Klenotka
November 3rd, 2007, 05:19 AM
"Save the Athosian, save the world?" :D

I loved it. As I was disappointed last week, I love this one. Obviously bc of big Rodney´s presence but not only that. It was also nice team episode. Ronon brought the plant, Teyla put it into ventilation, Rodney made a programme.
Nice team effort.

The running throught corridors was great. We discovered the city a little again and how Rodney, Sam and Radek were there, it was amazing. Radek and Lorne had lots of space, I love it! :D Sam following Rodney´s lead, yeah I did *need* this. :P:D But they were working very well together. Rodney didn´t panic, sent a message to himself. Yay.

I like Katie. I liked the scene in tha botanic lab how he was actually listening to her and had this "in love" expression. So cute. And in the end, I just said aloud: "Kiss her, you idiot!" :D

Sheppard asking after Rodney was nice, too. I waited for this very long time, when Sheppard will care where the other members of his team are, especially Rodney. I really missed that.
And I am glad they divide team finally. Nice scenes between Rodney and Teyla, how Teyla helped Rodney to concentrate and guided him.
And Ronon had nice speech to Sheppard, and the speech made sense. So I am satisfied. I am glad they at least mentioned Asuran/Wraith war but it would good to *show* it. I know it doesn´t influence them directly yet, but still, it would be nice.

arjumand
November 3rd, 2007, 05:31 AM
No one annoyed me in this ep! That's got to be some sort of record! Shep wasn't his smug, irritating self or having women throw themselves at him, Ronon didn't go all caveman, Rodney wasn't whiny or the butt of jokes, Teyla didn't seem stiff PLUS she got to kick butt AND was responsible for solving the ep's problem! How often does that happen?! Plus this was the first time I felt that Keller was really CO of the medical division and Carter even blended well into the ep. And to top it off, the Katie/Rodney scenes didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought they would. Wow! Still wouldn't have minded if she bit it, though. :P

Who wrote this ep? Oh, it's Alan McCullough. Funny, I thought his stuff on SG1 was kinda eh, but this ep was wonderful. And he's slated for 2 more SGA eps, so I'm expecting great things from him. No pressure. :D

Hee hee (re. Katie)! Am I being b1tchy if I agree with you?! It's not that I have anything against Katie herself, it's that I hate shipping on ensemble shows; I feel it detracts from the team spirit if they split off into pairs, all mooning over their S.Os.

Alan McCullough is my new true love - after loving the first 4 eps and feeling decidedly meh about 'Leather Aliens Extraordinaire, AKA Travellers', I really really am in awe of this episode. It was a nice little thriller, deeply rooted in SF and the dangers of new galaxies - i.e., you either bring diseases to new places, or the new places infect you. I love that they all nearly died from the Pegasus version of the measles, or the mumps, as someone said upthread.

Mckay took me to new heights of fangirling - he was 'Memento' guy, with the writing on the arms and leaving video for himself - I was surprised at first that more of the crew didn't do the same (Carter and Sheppard for example), but I suppose they didn't really expect things to deteriorate that far so quickly, and at least Sheppard left that Polaroid.

How awesome was Ronon in this episode? Oh My God. Realising that only he and Teyla were immune, taking charge of Sheppard, logical arguments to Sheppard and Lorne - from now on, Alan McCullough, you will be the holy Ronon writer: Hallowed is the Alan.

And I appreciated the prickly Rodney plant (v. funny, Katie) being the red herring in the beginning.

All in all, am loving this season.

Quinn Mallory
November 3rd, 2007, 05:37 AM
A very enjoyable episode to see everyone involved. The nonlinear telling of the story is a nice touch. If I'm going to complain about anything it would be that not nearly enough characters tried (as far we know) to leave notes behing to themselves. However, given how much responsibility that everyone has during the crisis, I guess the excuse that they simply did not have the time before it all happened is plausible.

McKay's softer side is definitely highlighted in this episode. For the longest time, I was thinking that the small plant that Kate gave him at the beginning would somehow be the solution (but the way it happened in this episode is much more plausible and whole lot less serendipitous).

arjumand
November 3rd, 2007, 05:42 AM
I thought this too. But, it was the only plot point I thought didn't make sense. Everything else he wrote on his arm made logical sense he would write. But, the code to the cell? That made me go 'unuh'.

It just occurred to me: In the vid he made for himself he says something to the tune of: "I don't know where Teyla is, maybe they've already taken her to the brig".

So I hand-waved that as soon as that occurred to him, he wrote down the code on his arm . . . I am still spazzing about writing-things-on-his-arms-Rodney: that was so awesome!

s09119
November 3rd, 2007, 05:46 AM
A very enjoyable episode to see everyone involved. The nonlinear telling of the story is a nice touch. If I'm going to complain about anything it would be that not nearly enough characters tried (as far we know) to leave notes behing to themselves. However, given how much responsibility that everyone has during the crisis, I guess the excuse that they simply did not have the time before it all happened is plausible.

McKay's softer side is definitely highlighted in this episode. For the longest time, I was thinking that the small plant that Kate gave him at the beginning would somehow be the solution (but the way it happened in this episode is much more plausible and whole lot less serendipitous).

I really liked Katie here, and I absolutely agree. I think it's good that someone can shut down Rodney's ego for a while and make him a genuinely nice human being, if only for a while.

And am I the only one that thought Katie had died during that last scene? The opening shot, coupled with Sheppard's conversation, really got me thinking, "Oh God! Not another cast member! Poor McKay!"

s09119
November 3rd, 2007, 05:47 AM
It just occurred to me: In the vid he made for himself he says something to the tune of: "I don't know where Teyla is, maybe they've already taken her to the brig".

So I hand-waved that as soon as that occurred to him, he wrote down the code on his arm . . . I am still spazzing about writing-things-on-his-arms-Rodney: that was so awesome!

I liked that too. It was a great nod to "Memento" (if you haven't seen that movie... RENT IT NOW!!!!)

Mattathias2.0
November 3rd, 2007, 05:51 AM
I loved Keller in this episode. She finally is shown as a true medical doctor.

ToasterOnFire
November 3rd, 2007, 05:52 AM
I didn't understand why Rodney had the code to the cell written on his arm either, unless the code was more of a master Atlantis code that unlocks/locks the cell and does a bunch of other things? It would make sense that Rodney would write down something as important as that - it could be useful in all sorts of situations.

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 06:06 AM
I liked that too. It was a great nod to "Memento" (if you haven't seen that movie... RENT IT NOW!!!!)
Hah, I wasn't the only one who saw that. I said the same thing in my original post on this thread. I still think Rodney is no Leonard, but he did get the job done. :) Again it would have been just the icing on the cake if Rodney was talking to himself and/or maybe Sam sarcastically and says..."Well...I have this condition..." :lol: The greatest line ever created by man.

You also see in "Memento" the use of excessive polarioids added to post-it note writings, tattoos all over the body and writing on the body. Really great film.

It seems not a lot of people might have seen Memento...one of the greatest psychological/thriller films next to Blue Velvet. :D


I loved Keller in this episode. She finally is shown as a true medical doctor.

100% Agreed. She was so well used and the gravity of the situation. Very reminscint to her issues in Doppelganger, another statement I made in my original post in this thread. Much of DG was revisited in this episode which I think added to it's greatness because we get to touch on the fear and helplessness of the crew. Through their relation with each other and their status. Further more, it gave us a chance to see them realistically persevere in traumatic situation and relatively as a functional unit. Reaffirms the idea of team work, unity and just "the team."

JackHarkness_Hot
November 3rd, 2007, 06:12 AM
Love the introduction, very very nice! Sets a nice tone and pace to the episode. How cute, Carter in civilian clothing however in my opinion she should wear military clothing maybe the standard blue SG team uniform or something cos it makes her look so unimportant, anyway not important!

Awesome the way it flips with the past and present and the little indicators, you know, "PRESENT", "14 HOURS AGO", etc seems to make the transition easy on the eyes and the brain, LOL

The filming on the present-day scene has an odd Battlestar Galactica feel to it which looks really cool for this psychedelic touch to it. In one scene, you can't help but feel that Teyla and Sheppard... hmm.. ;)

From initial look, you think that the soldiers were the bad guys but who knew, they were following innate orders set by Sheppard, very cool play of story, very nice.

It's just a pity that all it was, was a bacterial infection that was causing this episode. It has to be noted that a bacterial infection should not confused with viral infection before any battles break out here on this topic, LOL

Generally, I thought this was a very good episode, not exactly an orgasmic episode but still, not bad! I love the whole Battlestar Galactica feel to this episode, the flash backs and how they came together in the end. Again, just a pity it was a bacterial infection that caused the entire episode. Will some infected people lose their mind permanently? Of course not, the happily ever after story **roll eyes**

Vala_M
November 3rd, 2007, 06:20 AM
Wow! I loved this episode. I didn't have high hopes for it from the preview clip or the summaries but it was great. And like almost everyone else, I think that Katie was going to die as well, finally, we can go a few episodes without someone dying! And unless McKay's tablet had a special kind of battery in it, wouldn't it have ran out of power long before he could have gotten it back from Zelenka? Everyone fit in really well in this episode.

Vala,

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 06:52 AM
SGA - SciFi Channel SGA Site Updates Nov. 2 - Tabula Rasa:

From the SciFi Channel's Stargate Atlantis site:

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/

"Tabula Rasa"

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/episodes/episodes.php?seas=4&ep=0406&act=1

* Episode synopsis
* Photos


Next NEW episode: "Missing" - Friday, Nov. 9 - Arriving on New Athos for an overnight visit, Teyla and Dr. Keller discover the entire settlement abandoned and their own lives in jeopardy from a primitive warrior tribe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/missing.jpg

Trailer for "Missing:"

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=176788


Alex Levine's Blog Update:

Learn more about this week's episode in the Stargate Blog!

http://blog.scifi.com/stargate/


NEW: QUIZ

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/scifi4/quiz_pic_keller.jpg

Nov. 3, 2007
The Jennifer Keller trivia quiz is just what the new doctor ordered. It's a prescription for fun!

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/quizzes/keller/index.php?start=1


VIDEO (at SGA's new Featurettes section)

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php

NEW -
Nov. 1, 2007
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Amanda Tapping (Dr. Samantha Carter) answers fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=6

or

http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=176262

Prior videos:

David Hewlett Q&A - Part 1
David Hewlett (Dr. Rodney McKay) answers fan questions from the Forum in this special Q&A series.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=5

Q and A with Jewel Staite
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Jewel Staite (Jennifer Keller) answers fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=4

Q and A with Jason Momoa
In part one of a new video Q&A series, Jason Momoa (Ronon Dex) fields fans' questions from SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=3

Q and A with Joe Flanigan
In a new video Q&A, Joe Flanigan (Col. John Sheppard) answers questions that were submitted by fans through SCIFI.COM's Stargate Atlantis Forum - Part 1.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=2

David Hewlett & Amanda Tapping
Watch the new video Q&A with Stargate Atlantis stars Amanda Tapping and David Hewlett, who answered fans' questions about the show's fourth season.

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/featurettes/index.php?Clip=1


Thanks for the heads up, Briangate78


According to TV Guide Online, this is the line up (and subject to changes):

6pm Stargate SG-1
7pm Bionic Woman
8pm Flash Gordon
9pm Stargate Atlantis - repeat of "Tabula Rasa"
10pm Stargate Atlantis - new episode "Missing"
11pm Flash Gordon
MIDNIGHT Stargate Atlantis - new episode "Missing"
1am Stargate SG-1

Morjana

That is a really cool. They are reairing last weeks ep. That is really great news for the series and for fans/viewers who missed this week's ep. Instead of buying it on itunes they can watch it a week later. Sci-fi is utilizing the show and they did the same thing with Eureka. Thanks for the clarification.

jds1982
November 3rd, 2007, 07:05 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. I was playing a where's Waldo game when I saw that Zach Selwyn from Attack of the Show was gonna be in it. Turns out he had a pretty prominent part, he was the scientist with the big black curly hair. I guess after his Atlantis rap tptb thought it would be cool to have him on the show.

Irish Eyes
November 3rd, 2007, 07:12 AM
Obviously, I’m in the minority, but I’m posting anyway. I thought the episode was average, but I did like it better than Travelers (which is the weakest one for me so far). Since I don’t care for Rodney/Katie that killed a lot of the episode for me. I did, however, finally feel like I knew Katie a little better, so maybe this relationship will grow on me. On the other hand, seeing where my favorite characters tend to end up, I don’t think I’ll get too attached to her. ;)

I don’t hate Keller, but she’s not doing anything for me either, so that contributed to my feelings for this episode. (As always, let me say I love Jewel, so I keep hoping for a breakthrough.)

What saved this episode for me was Teyla. She had great stuff here although I thought there would be more for her based on what little I had read. But I’ll take what I can get. Plus, we got some quality Teyla & Rodney scenes.

It's always good to see Lorne and Radek, so that was a plus. :)

The Ronon line was classic. :lol:

And I have to mention the one scene where I thought, “Wow.” When Sam and Rodney are looking for Teyla and they go out on that balcony, what an awesome view of the city!

Xicer
November 3rd, 2007, 07:12 AM
lol that was him? I didn't even recognize him.

Madmik
November 3rd, 2007, 07:13 AM
And unless McKay's tablet had a special kind of battery in it, wouldn't it have ran out of power long before he could have gotten it back from Zelenka?
Every PDA has turnoff after few minutes of not use - and it was off, when McKay got it back...
Overall, this episode was Ok, not the best, but cute...
And "Sunday" was definitely better!

Jumper_One
November 3rd, 2007, 07:21 AM
just watched TR and I think it's pretty cool, one of the best s4 eps so far imo. I really liked the fact that they used flashbacks, made everything even more confusing and strange. like others have mentioned, Rodney writing everything he could remember on his arms, reminds you of Memento which is a great movie! finally we see Keller take responsibility and act as a CMO. and Shep giving Lorne his photo was a very good and easy solution, didn't see that coming. oh and finally Teyla's doing something. though I would've liked to see Carter make some decisions on her own without the 'help' of Shep, it didn't feel as if she's in command, but whatever. still I really enjoyed this one, can't wait for next week!

wams352
November 3rd, 2007, 07:23 AM
Is it me? But didn't Keller kill the man she was defibrillating early in the episode? He had a rhythm at 200 and then she shocked him again at 300 and he flatlined? They all just kind of looked at each other but I thought she killed him.

Anyway, I thought it was a great episode. I was on the edge of my seat, jumping up and down. I've watched it twice already and LOVED it when Ronan said "that never gets old." Heh heh...

FoolishPleasure
November 3rd, 2007, 07:38 AM
I really liked this episode - its my fav of the season. Even my 15 year old son, who doesn't care for SGA all that much, really enjoyed this one. Really liked the use of filming/filter styles. Set a very interesting mood past and present.

Was very impressed with Teyla this time around. Its sad that Rachel had to get pregnant and have TPTB turn Teyla into someone interesting. Now that she can't be used as the scantily-clad hot alien chick, they actually have to DO something with her, and ITS ABOUT TIME DUDES! The Rodney/Teyla scenes were very good - Teyla got to show her patience, leadership qualities, and intelligence. Big thumbs up for those scenes!

OMB. . . .we got strung out LORNE! Too cool! Crazed Zelenka! I haven't read through this whole thread, but I need to find out what he was mumbling in Czech as he prowled the hallways.

Ronon shooting Sheppard - would have been more fun to see Ronon belt him unconscious. That's REAL wump!

The downside:

I would have loved to see Carson deal with this situation. His frustration at not helping his patients, and his panic when he would begin losing his own memory. It would have been wonderful. Keller is just. . . there. I'm not feeling much emotion from her, and I just don't care when she is on screen. Still missing Carson tremendously.

Carter. Oh dear. Weir clone. Someone please tell me what special Carter traits she brought to this episode? All I got were lines that Weir would have said in the same situation. I love Carter, but she isn't Carter on this show. She is coming across as Weir in Carter's body. I'm not seeing anything uniquely Sam on this show.

Overall, I give this an A- because I liked most everything about it, except for Keller's blahness, and Carter channeling Weir. Everything else was excellent.

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 07:43 AM
I really liked this episode - its my fav of the season. Even my 15 year old son, who doesn't care for SGA all that much, really enjoyed this one. Really liked the use of filming/filter styles. Set a very interesting mood past and present.

Was very impressed with Teyla this time around. Its sad that Rachel had to get pregnant and have TPTB turn Teyla into someone interesting. Now that she can't be used as the scantily-clad hot alien chick, they actually have to DO something with her, and ITS ABOUT TIME DUDES! The Rodney/Teyla scenes were very good - Teyla got to show her patience, leadership qualities, and intelligence. Big thumbs up for those scenes!

OMB. . . .we got strung out LORNE! Too cool! Crazed Zelenka! I haven't read through this whole thread, but I need to find out what he was mumbling in Czech as he prowled the hallways.

Ronon shooting Sheppard - would have been more fun to see Ronon belt him unconscious. That's REAL wump!

The downside:

I would have loved to see Carson deal with this situation. His frustration at not helping his patients, and his panic when he would begin losing his own memory. It would have been wonderful. Keller is just. . . there. I'm not feeling much emotion from her, and I just don't care when she is on screen. Still missing Carson tremendously.

Carter. Oh dear. Weir clone. Someone please tell me what special Carter traits she brought to this episode? All I got were lines that Weir would have said in the same situation. I love Carter, but she isn't Carter on this show. She is coming across as Weir in Carter's body. I'm not seeing anything uniquely Sam on this show.

Overall, I give this an A- because I liked most everything about it, except for Keller's blahness, and Carter channeling Weir. Everything else was excellent.

It was great that the underdogs saved the day. Zelenka was too funny. :p I am glad the reccuring stars are getting a lot of screentime. This is really good. Even next week's ep is going to focus on Keller and Teyla. I know people have been striving for some Teyla eps! :p I really think the season is moving along very well. The only ep I was so so with was Travelers.

siXbrownSnakes2
November 3rd, 2007, 07:50 AM
It was great that the underdogs saved the day. Zelenka was too funny. :p I am glad the reccuring stars are getting a lot of screentime. This is really good. Even next week's ep is going to focus on Keller and Teyla. I know people have been striving for some Teyla eps!

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to next week's... which kind of seems odd :)

rpmguitar
November 3rd, 2007, 08:05 AM
just wanted to mention my favorite line. when teyla is explaining that rodney will remember the science stuff because that's what he cares about: "doesn't that make me a bad person?" LOL I loved that

ColCaldwell
November 3rd, 2007, 08:08 AM
For being a filler episode...I'm impressed.

rpmguitar
November 3rd, 2007, 08:10 AM
and I also loved that shep got the drop on ronan on the mainland. a plus for sheppard being resourcefull, and it makes ronan more interesting that he was able to actually resolve something without just knocking the gun away and kicking the crap out of sheppard

sarcasmo
November 3rd, 2007, 08:14 AM
Meh. 2 ½ out of 5. Most boring episode of the season so far. Why are people finding it oh so original? It's been done a million times before and much better. Lame writing, Alan McCullough.

Why does Keller speak in a monotone? Is it an affection of the actress or is the doctor really a robot?

Katie is so dull. And we have to put up with more of her this season? Whole episodes of her whining and fluttering her eyelids delicately while Rodney tries to work out if he still likes women? That's gonna suck big time. WE GET IT, PTB, YOU WANT TO ROMANCE IN THE SHOW. ENOUGH NOW. LOOK AT HOW WELL YOU HANDLED JACK AND CARTER *yawn*

Teyla continues to kick ass. She made the entire episode.

Wilson3Girl
November 3rd, 2007, 08:16 AM
just wanted to mention my favorite line. when teyla is explaining that rodney will remember the science stuff because that's what he cares about: "doesn't that make me a bad person?" LOL I loved that

That was funny! My favorite line was when Rodney bet Shep that he would be the one to lose his memory first. :) The way Shep said "Rodney!" Those silly boys!


Wilson3Girl

Cory Holmes
November 3rd, 2007, 08:30 AM
The filming on the present-day scene has an odd Battlestar Galactica feel to it which looks really cool for this psychedelic touch to it. In one scene, you can't help but feel that Teyla and Sheppard... hmm.. ;)

The difference is that BSG uses their filming style with all the subtlty of a 2x4 to the face. *whoomp!* "We're different from everyone else!" *whoomp!*

In this episode, it took me a few scenes to realize why the present-tense scenes looked so weird and spooky and I finally realized that it was hand-held instead of steady-cam stuff. Much like in Grace Under Pressure, the hand-held camera is used to good effect and not over-used and abused.

I'm glad that everyone in this episode was given a chance to contribute to the plot and its resolution, and not just one or two of the main characters bumbling around for 3/4s of the episode and getting sudden inspiration after the final commercial break.

Overall, I give this a solid 3.5/5 and flirt with the idea of raising it to a 4/5.

LoneStar1836
November 3rd, 2007, 09:00 AM
After last week's disappoint that was Travelers, this episode was a big improvement and much, much better. Probably the best episode so far this season.

The story was interesting and the characters were utilized well. As long as the story is well written, I don't care whether its a character centric episode and an ensemble one. This one was a very well done ensemble one.

Great to see Major Lorne and Zelenka. :):) It's always nice when they are incorporated into the show.

Really liked the Shep/Ronon bits, especially on the mainland. Ronon's resolution to the stand-off was an intelligent one. (Nice to see the writers employ a different tactic for him.) Thought the dialogue was well written for that as well as the delivery. Plus the visuals for those shots were visually interesting...liked whatever filter effects they used for the camera.

My only quibble was the quick resolution. Not so much because it wasn't shown but because of how they decided to cure everyone using the ventilation system. :S Didn't make much sense to me, but whatever, I can live with it since the rest of the episode was quality entertainment.

Oh and I thought once they realized that people were losing their memories, they should have at least given everyone a name tag of sorts. I guess they didn't have any of those "Hi. My Name is...." tags on hand :D, but they could have come up with something so at least people would have that little bit of knowledge to provide them with some sort of comfort in such a scary situation. I get why the writers didn't do it to add to the atmosphere, but logically it made no sense, imo.

Anyway great episode based on SGA standards of show quality. These are the episodes that I look forward to. :)

Gate gal
November 3rd, 2007, 09:07 AM
Love the introduction, very very nice! Sets a nice tone and pace to the episode. How cute, Carter in civilian clothing however in my opinion she should wear military clothing maybe the standard blue SG team uniform or something cos it makes her look so unimportant, anyway not important!I wondered why Sam wasn't in uniform at the beginning of the episode, too. She was obviously working, so it didn't make sense until the episode progressed. If she had been dressed as a soldier instead of in her civilian clothes then the soldiers might not have taken her to the mess hall. It was a necessary thing for this episode. Plus, she is in charge of Atlantis and Lorne would have potentially held on to that in his memory if she were dressed the part. We'd have missed that great scene between Lorne, John, and Ronan at the end of the episode.


The filming on the present-day scene has an odd Battlestar Galactica feel to it which looks really cool for this psychedelic touch to it. In one scene, you can't help but feel that Teyla and Sheppard... hmm.. ;)
I'm pretty much die hard Sparky/Spanky, but I so saw that. ;)

iolanda
November 3rd, 2007, 09:36 AM
Later Lorne hunted everybody except his team. He putted Teyla into the brig, and she was in uniform.

wolverine_nl
November 3rd, 2007, 09:40 AM
dunno yet, cant descide wether it was good or bad, well it wasnt bad, it wasnt fantastic, but i really liked how every1 was off-character except Ronon and Teyla.
so 3/5

sofie
November 3rd, 2007, 09:56 AM
I absolutely loved this episode! It was much better than last weeks 'Travelers'.
I thought the best part were the McKay-Carter-Zelenka scenes + the Sheppard photo was also real fun
I give it 4.5/5 :D

SGFerrit
November 3rd, 2007, 10:02 AM
Great episode, I loved it. It's funny, I was really looking forward to Travelers, and I was quite meh about this one, but it turns out Travelers was my least favourite of the season so far, and this was excellent! Don't judge an episode


Meh. 2 ½ out of 5. Most boring episode of the season so far. Why are people finding it oh so original? It's been done a million times before and much better. Lame writing, Alan McCullough.


I hate that. They can think it's original if they want, they don't have to explain themselves to you.

I thoguht it was an old concept, executed in a fun and original way, for the franchise anyway.

The_Carpenter
November 3rd, 2007, 10:03 AM
Brillient, did anyone else spot the picture of Teal'c in Sam's office? thought it was a nice touch! Now where is she hiding that picture of Daniel?

SGFerrit
November 3rd, 2007, 10:08 AM
I love the whole Battlestar Galactica feel to this episode, the flash backs and how they came together in the end.

Yeah, agreed. I watched all 3 seasons of BSG last week and the non-linear plot reminded me of some BSG episodes.

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 10:11 AM
Meh. 2 ½ out of 5. Most boring episode of the season so far. Why are people finding it oh so original? It's been done a million times before and much better. Lame writing, Alan McCullough.

Teyla continues to kick ass. She made the entire episode.


Well, Window of Opportunity was an old concept, and yet it's one of the best episodes ever made.

Good to hear about Teyla. :D

Lord batchi ball
November 3rd, 2007, 10:16 AM
I loved Keller in this episode. She finally is shown as a true medical doctor.

Yes it was a very defining show for Dr. K

Overall this was a very well constructed episode, with all the flashbacks and such and then how they tied them together that was very good.

And Zelenica with that pole, cracking people over the head with it that was hiliarious it reminded me a crazy monkey.

This was the best episode of the season, so far. :D

Atlanis
November 3rd, 2007, 10:23 AM
I like Kattie too, she's a great charicter and Brenda James is a wonderful actor
The thing that touched me the most was Rodney (yes Rodney) staying at her bedside until she woke now that was one of the things that made this epasoide all it was great job to Alan McCullough and Martin Wood

Klenotka
November 3rd, 2007, 10:31 AM
*screams* It´s ZELENKA! He is there for almost four years, so I think it´s enough time to remember his name. :rolleyes:

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 10:31 AM
in one way, i could deal with the flashbacks...but in antoher way...they do that whole 'flash back/flash forward' bit a little too often. It worked for the episode, but as a whole, yhou somethimes get tired of it flashing bak and ofrth all the time

beyond that, i did enjoy it. Angst with a touch of humor. I like how folks were broken up. I get tired of the same pairings all the time.

I liked to see sam and shep working together to solve the problem. no 'i'm the boss' posturing.

all in all, an enjoyable hour...and next week's? Looks very, very interesting

kirmit
November 3rd, 2007, 10:34 AM
Good episode, parts a little predictable, loved how Zelenka was a fugitive lol.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
November 3rd, 2007, 10:44 AM
This was a pretty good episode, better than I thought it was going to be. I set my standard low for this one. Next week's episode looks freaking awesome.

fuchsia
November 3rd, 2007, 10:49 AM
I really enjoyed the episode - I'm even warming up to the Rodney and Katie romance; however unsuited they appear - to me anyway - she does seem to have a good influence on him.

But my favorite amnesiac by far was Radek....
I thought it was interesting that he, out of them all, had managed to get himself armed and was 'at large' playing commando.
Makes me wonder at his life before Atlantis. Some fan fic writers have given Radek a military background or a past where mistrusting and evading sodiers were a part of everyday life.
Teyla told Rodney that because he was a scientist deep down he would remember science more than anything else.
Perhaps in Radek's past he was a soldier...?
Something to think about, eh?

drake122
November 3rd, 2007, 10:55 AM
Finally an SGA episode worth watching this season. Well, Doppelganger was decent too, but the rest of the eps were just awful. :(

I really liked the acting, Zelenka, Lorne, Carter, Ronon and McKay were all great, not to mention Sheppard at the end... lol

Also the story was great.

And Zelenka cursing in Czech. hahah

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 10:55 AM
Or he was persecuted by soldiers and thus was looking to get away from them.

bluealien
November 3rd, 2007, 11:08 AM
After reading all these reviews praising this ep I expected to be blown away .... but I found this ep pretty "MEH". Teyla was the best thing about the episode and it's such a shame that she's not utilised more. Ronan also had a great scene with Sheppard and I am enjoying the Shep/Ronan dynamic more and more. Fav scene was when Ronan tied up Sheppard and pulled him up by the hair.

But other than that it was slow and Rodney was his usual predictable self and all the wandering around Atlantis became a bit monotonous. Zelenka was his usual adorable self. The Rodney/Katie scenes didnt really bother me but that doe eyed look that Katie sports just doesn't really endear me to the character.

Maybe I will enjoy the ep more on second viewing but not my fav of the season.

SGFerrit
November 3rd, 2007, 11:13 AM
It's good to see the majority liked this episode. So many positive comments lol compared to last week! A couple of 'meh's', but that is to be expected.

The only place I've seen real complaining is the anti thread, but no suprises there...

Well, I guess it's still early days...

fuchsia
November 3rd, 2007, 11:19 AM
Or he was persecuted by soldiers and thus was looking to get away from them.

Yeah, that's what I meant to say... persecuted.... because of whatever political unrest was going on at that time in Czechoslovakia...
I have to admit to being shamefully ignorant of such stuff - anyone know the recent history of the country?
Hope I'm not off-thread....

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 11:20 AM
It's good to see the majority liked this episode. So many positive comments lol compared to last week! A couple of 'meh's', but that is to be expected.

The only place I've seen real complaining is the anti thread, but no suprises there...

Well, I guess it's still early days...

Yeah I am very glad a lot of people who were not loving this season enjoyed last night's ep. It makes me feel better as a fan that I can agree with more people on the same level.

DeRoest
November 3rd, 2007, 11:23 AM
this is probably my favorite episode of this season so far.

dana_carter_sgx
November 3rd, 2007, 11:24 AM
*screams* It´s ZELENKA! He is there for almost four years, so I think it´s enough time to remember his name. :rolleyes:

Yes, I totally agree with you. Not only that in 4 years people should have learned the name of a very recurring character... in fact, because (IMO) Zelenka is a very easy surname to remember, I don't see where the confussion comes from... :beckettanime14:

About the episode itself... I'm greedily reading all your posts, because this ep seems to be a great one... I can't wait to see it!!! :zelenka25:

acdj31
November 3rd, 2007, 11:28 AM
Reading the posts I guess am with the majority on this one. Great ep.
Way, way, better than "Travelers". I loved that Teyla and Ronon had stuff to do.

I liked Dr. Keller in this one, she is starting to grow on me alittle. Liked how they brought back Katie Brown. Loved the scene with McKay and Katie in her lab and at the end.

WONDERFUL directing on Martin Wood part. Loved how he showed off the city. And the lighting totally set the mood, when they were running around the city.

One of my top three eps for the season, so far. Can't wait til next week's ep.

:teyla26::teylaanime08::teyla30::teyla15:

Linzi
November 3rd, 2007, 11:32 AM
I really enjoyed this episode!

I loved the story, loved the way the episode was filmed and enjoyed the performances.

AM really won we over with his script, and considering this was his first SGA script, I was mightily impressed.

I loved the regular cast here.

Shep was fantastic. Loved his scenes with Ronon. ADORED the infirmary scene. I barely was conscious for that! :o I liked that he showed his smarts in escaping from Ronon, and catching him off guard, and liked that he thought to have Lorne carry the photo.

Rodney was great. Confused, scared but determined to do...whatever he had to do...find Teyla mostly, of course! He was sweet with Katie too.

Teyla was great. I really liked her here. She was focused and showed her smarts. She guided Rodney and kept him going. Nice to see her doing something so well.

Ronon was really lovely. Loved his speech to Sheppard about their friendship, and adored his smirk after he shot Sheppard and said it never gets old! Liked that he realised he and Teyla were immune to the bacteria.

Carter was good here too. Sensible, smart and just a part of the team.

Now I liked Keller this week. She was professional, calm and kept Rodney under control. She fitted in well and I'm starting to like her after sometimes feeling a little unsure of how I felt. But, she did good this week, I thought.

Zelenka was great! He was really scary and really made me smile. Seeing him wander around with the pole was so funny!

Katie? Hmmm, she's sweet and cute, but too sugary for me sometimes. Too cutesy and just...nice. I did think her and Rodney's scenes were sweet, but I've got to be honest, I don't do ship and though the caring was good, I don't want to see too much of that again. I hope they break up soon. Sorry :o

So overall, a great episode. Not my favourite one so far, that's DG, but it's up there with Travelers for my number 2. I think TR had a better story than Travelers, but I just really enjoyed it last week, so...well, I just love the variety of episodes we're getting this season. I gave this 9/10

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 11:40 AM
I really enjoyed this episode!

I loved the story, loved the way the episode was filmed and enjoyed the performances.

AM really won we over with his script, and considering this was his first SGA script, I was mightily impressed.

I loved the regular cast here.

Shep was fantastic. Loved his scenes with Ronon. ADORED the infirmary scene. I barely was conscious for that! :o I liked that he showed his smarts in escaping from Ronon, and catching him off guard, and liked that he thought to have Lorne carry the photo.

Rodney was great. Confused, scared but determined to do...whatever he had to do...find Teyla mostly, of course! He was sweet with Katie too.

Teyla was great. I really liked her here. She was focused and showed her smarts. She guided Rodney and kept him going. Nice to see her doing something so well.

Ronon was really lovely. Loved his speech to Sheppard about their friendship, and adored his smirk after he shot Sheppard and said it never gets old! Liked that he realised he and Teyla were immune to the bacteria.

Carter was good here too. Sensible, smart and just a part of the team.

Now I liked Keller this week. She was professional, calm and kept Rodney under control. She fitted in well and I'm starting to like her after sometimes feeling a little unsure of how I felt. But, she did good this week, I thought.

Zelenka was great! He was really scary and really made me smile. Seeing him wander around with the pole was so funny!

Katie? Hmmm, she's sweet and cute, but too sugary for me sometimes. Too cutesy and just...nice. I did think her and Rodney's scenes were sweet, but I've got to be honest, I don't do ship and though the caring was good, I don't want to see too much of that again. I hope they break up soon. Sorry :o

So overall, a great episode. Not my favourite one so far, that's DG, but it's up there with Travelers for my number 2. I think TR had a better story than Travelers, but I just really enjoyed it last week, so...well, I just love the variety of episodes we're getting this season. I gave this 9/10
I dont do ship either. But shes a minor recurring character so as long as McKay is dating her offscreen we dont have to worry about them shipping him on screen...thats the only type of ship I am really OK with on Stargate. It makes sense for these people to have personal lives...I just dont want to see it and I definitly dont want the show focused on it.

You make a good point about Katie being a bit too sweet and cutesy though but hey as long as we dont see her too much....

Linzi
November 3rd, 2007, 11:43 AM
I dont do ship either. But shes a minor recurring character so as long as McKay is dating her offscreen we dont have to worry about them shipping him on screen...thats the only type of ship I am really OK with on Stargate. It makes sense for these people to have personal lives...I just dont want to see it and I definitly dont want the show focused on it.

You make a good point about Katie being a bit too sweet and cutesy though but hey as long as we dont see her too much....
I see your point, and I do like her - in my own way, but I don't know, maybe I'm just not a romantic? :lol:

GateLadyM
November 3rd, 2007, 11:52 AM
I've been disappointed this season, but this episode was the first real bright spot for me. Teyla was especially good, and loved the scenes between her and McKay. Ronon, Lorne, Zelenka, I love 'em all!

Shep badly needs a haircut, I'm tired of the shaggy stuff. I'd really like to see him at least look like a CO.

Keller needs to go. Total snoozefest. Beckett would have been so much better in this episode, fretting about his inability to help his patients. Could have been some great Carson/Rodney stuff too, but alas, we get put to sleep again by Dr. Lam, um I meant Dr. Keller. ;)

Carter isn't hitting on all cylinders either. Why did they get rid of Weir again? Oh yeah, because she didn't do anything. Well, I don't see Carter contributing much either.

I did find this episode to be very good overall, and even liked the Rodney/Katie stuff. It isn't an in-your-face-every-week ship, so I can deal with it, and its nice to see Rodney actually happy now and then.

Hoping the future brings more episodes like this one, and less like Travelers. Ugh.

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 11:55 AM
Question, why do people think Teyla was so fantastic here?

This is compared to the way she was in other episodes? I mean she was similar to the way she was in Suspicion, The Eye, Misbegotten and Aurora as well as a few other eps. There was nothing spectacular here, except for the fact she was of a focused interest for Rodney. Other than that she was basically the same old, same old----nothing truly dynamic here except that she was entertaining. I'm just a little puzzled because she had even less lines than in other eps in the season, excluding Adrift and Lifeline.

This is not to marginalize the character this season (since it's way too early), but compared---people are acting like Teyla is all new and giving me the impression that they see these aspects of Teyla in TR have NEVER been touched on or seen in other seasonal eps; which is wholly untrue.

She was good, but she was just that, good. Nothing specky.

Oh in regards to Katie----I can't tolerate her and Rodney but my angst over them didn't take away from the show. She just sounded like Snow White (who I abhor as a character for young girls to like) and she slept through the rest so she didn't get too me as much as she could have.

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 12:03 PM
I dont know for sure but I thought the same thing. She seemed like she excelled in this ep but at the same time she was barely in the ep.

Maybe it was her lines to the others were more "direct" and "strong" somehow. Maybe it was the uber cool fight scene (cooler then any of the previous fights). Maybe it was her being more fully dressed so it was easier not to simply discard her character as the shows eye candy (like putting Troy in uniform on TNG...same character but she seemed "cooler" once in uniform)....maybe the writers treated her more like a real character.

Its hard to say though because Teyla has always been strong\diplomatic. She has always done a good job encouraging and focusing Rodney. And she has always kicked butt. Somehow though in this ep, she seemed more "direct" and "mature" in all of that....... I cant make sense of it because its not really logical more of just a feeling.

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 12:05 PM
Question, why do people think Teyla was so fantastic here?

This is compared to the way she was in other episodes? I mean she was similar to the way she was in Suspicion, The Eye, Misbegotten and Aurora as well as a few other eps. There was nothing spectacular here, except for the fact she was of a focused interest for Rodney. Other than that she was basically the same old, same old----nothing truly dynamic here except that she was entertaining. I'm just a little puzzled because she had even less lines than in other eps in the season, excluding Adrift and Lifeline.

This is not to marginalize the character this season (since it's way too early), but compared---people are acting like Teyla is all new and giving me the impression that they see these aspects of Teyla in TR have NEVER been touched on or seen in other seasonal eps; which is wholly untrue.

She was good, but she was just that, good. Nothing specky.




You want more Teyla? Wait till the next two eps! ;) :)

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 12:07 PM
Meh. 2 ½ out of 5. Most boring episode of the season so far. Why are people finding it oh so original? It's been done a million times before and much better. Lame writing, Alan McCullough.
If we screen it down to a flashback ep which has totally been done before, especially in SGA; then I'd have to disagree with you...since episodes like Submersion, The Return II, and Sunday weren't as well executed as this one. They all had something missing and not as interesting maneuvered from past to present with lighting affect to give you this surreal reality.

Check out the filming, they filmed them differently. We had a nice light normal filming when we see the past, and then we have this rough darker filming in context of the present. Gives you the feeling that world of SGA has taken a "not quite right" turn of events towards in the present. It's that juxtaposition and maybe the concepts from Doppelganger (if you notice, almost similar feel in Doppelganger as in the present of TR) are converging on some level. Very very very entertaining when you take these things into consideration.


Why does Keller speak in a monotone? Is it an affection of the actress or is the doctor really a robot?
I thought Keller moved out of that in this episode. I can totally tell you I felt what you mean when I as looking at Adrift, it just wasn't flying. But then I figured it was part of the character role, she may feel but she tries to be the nuetral unfeeling doctor in the midst of so much emotionally moving characters. She clearly has relationships and likes and dislikes, but to keep some sort of order on herself and her emotions and to block the others hysteria's she builds up this wall. It's realistic in part of her when you look at it that way. Not that it's the right way, but it's my use of logical perception.


Katie is so dull. And we have to put up with more of her this season? Whole episodes of her whining and fluttering her eyelids delicately while Rodney tries to work out if he still likes women? That's gonna suck big time. WE GET IT, PTB, YOU WANT TO ROMANCE IN THE SHOW. ENOUGH NOW. LOOK AT HOW WELL YOU HANDLED JACK AND CARTER *yawn*
She is dull, but I didn't think it took away from the show since she slept through a lot of it.


Teyla continues to kick ass. She made the entire episode.

You know, she didn't do that for me. She's my fave femme, but I saw nothing so specky as I saw in Reunion or Doppelganger, in this paticular ep. Meh, whatever.


You want more Teyla? Wait till the next two eps! ;) :)

Actually I'm fully aware when Teyla shows up and the stories behind her. So no need to keep me up to date. All I was saying was that I saw nothing spectacularly original in Teyla in this ep that alot of the talk was about Teyla---and this is when I compare it to the Teyla I've been seeing for the last 3 seasons.

I just noticed that people make it out as though she's a new character. It's understood, almost, because of her lack of respresentation in the seasons. But the eps in the last seasons where we see Teyla, we've seen the same actions and reactions. This wasn't as sensational for me as I see the majority of people make it out to be. I mean it's almost like, but not as bad, as Travelers was for John. It gave nothing, in my opinion took away, but it's aspects we've seen before which doesn't impress me for character development.


Curently and I'm sure until next weeks Missing, Teyla is still not very three-dimensional. John luckily had Adrift and I loved him Reunion, so I had a nice dose of development for his character. This is despite the fact I felt the writers totally backpedaled in Travelers.

CalmStorm
November 3rd, 2007, 12:07 PM
Dr. Keller seemed to have a personality change overnight. She went from appearing completely nervous about doing her job and speaking up, to maintaining a calm, cool and collected self as if she had been there and done that for a long time. This is the first episode where she did not seem nervous, confused, or overwhelmed.

I'm not sure about the Katie Brown / McKay relationship. It just doesn't seem to click.

Loved Teyla in this episode and Ronon as well. They both had more substance than usual in this one.

I like Carter, but the role she is playing is almost an exact copy of Weir. I can see Weir clearly in all of the scenes that now have Carter in her place. As such, even being a fan of Tapping and the character she portrays, I am severely disappointed in the casting change.

As always, I was thrilled to see Lorne again, and he had a rather meaty roll as well and we're beginning to see more of his personality come through.

In all, my favorite scenes in this episode were:
-Teyla encouraging McKay at the computer
-When Shep escaped and Ronon was trying to convince him he was a friend.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 12:08 PM
So how many people thought they had killed Katie in the end there? hehe.
This episode had a very "Sunday" feel, in the fact that it utilized all the flash backs, one minute it's present day, the next it's 10 hour earlier.

I wonder if the writers felt the episode would not be interesting enough if it had been told straightforward, and thus needed to do all the bouncing around. I thought it was a great episode, just hope this back and forth doesn't become common place.

I agree it did have a touch of Sunday feel, for me though it didn't feel as disjointed as Sunday, and the fact we had hints at the bottom helped. After watching it a second time, I think I prefered how they did this time thing in this rather than how it was done in Sunday. I'm not a fan of jumping through time (and yet, I love time travel eps! Go figure. :lol:) Probably because I get so confused going back and forth in time. :P My brain can't cope with anything but the pretteh though. ;)


Excellent episode, this season is really shaping up IMO. I felt doing it with flashbacks made it more suspensfull than if it was straight forward. It would have moved too slowly that way. I do see the point of the ending being rushed, but I disagree. Rodney finished the program to send the cure through the vents all they needed to do was make the cure airborne, so it made sense. I'd rather have 38 minutes of finding out what's going on than the last 8 minutes of making a cure and sending it through the vents. Great team interaction throughout the ep, Carter had quite a bit of screen time and loved seeing her all disheveled. Keller is really shaping up and I really hope we get to keep her. This was a great ep and I am really loving this season so far. Also I'm really glad they didn't kill Katie and I love the two of them together.

I had to giggle at the only thing he had to finish was by pressing the 'enter' key. I would have liked to have seen the venting the stuff and how long it took and what they did etc, and wondered who did the mixing of the meds brought back from the planet. Was it Ronon and Teyla or both, did they show Doc K what she needed to do, that sort of thing, but once I saw the infirmary scene... *sniff* and felt the team luff, I kinda forgot all that!! What can I say, i'm exceptionally shallow when it comes to whump and team luff. :lol: not to mention seeing Shep in scrubs with chest peekage turns my brain into mush... So how did the ep ed then? ;)


SGA is having a lot more heartfeld moments, and that is really great to add to the character's chemistry.

Oh I agree, their seemed to be lots of scenes with them all working together, mixed pairings (which is great to see) and shows that they can mix the team up, but still have it feel like a team ep. I loved that they all worked together and started trusting each other even when they had not reason to.

Talking of trust. What I loved about this is the fact that initially there was quite a lot of mistrust between the scientist and the soldiers. I love that the ep delved into their fears and insecurities and that they couldn't trust anyone at all. Loved Zelenka and his pipe. And oh my the Ronon/Shep scene was just fabulous, especially Ronon shooting shep again and saying, "That just never gets old!" :lol: And then pulling him up by his hair! Hehehe. I got a feeling that Ronon has never forgiven Shep for shooting him in TLG. So now it's payback whenever he can. :D


I agree and I'm personally glad they didn't kill Katie off or I'd be pissed. As to the quote I 100% agree I loved that scene!

I don't know how I feel about Katie to be honest. She's ok, very sweet, and she certainly knows how to twist Rodney round her little finger!! Women and their feminine wiles! ;)

Why did I get the impression that the plant was just like Rodney, ie, Katie found it hidden in the bushes, lol. Or maybe that was just my interpretaion, and not to mention the prickles. I thought it was really sweet of him to go with her, even though he hates being with sick people! It must be love. I think Katie actually knows rodney quite well, and it's nice to see that she calms him down a bit. Whether I like the whole couple thing? Not sure yet. It's ok now and again when it suits its purpose.


Well I have to say it I really love/like this episode. 10/10

Everybody had something to do, and they did it well, I like the time shifting and Mckey did so good (this is the second episode I love his acting) that last scene was so good and touching, for a minute there I thought not that Katie? would die, but that she would woke up and she couldn't remember who Mckey was, I was surprise the writers didn't kill her or gave Mckay more angst.

Love Carter/Mckay scaping she was holding Mckay's hand leading him to safety so funny.

Ronon and Sheppard in the main land really good.

And Teyla protecting Mckay and taking care of them was so good also.

Have to say SGA is winning me over.;)


Mckay:When I said I was finish I guess I wasn't Kidding
Carter: Now what?
Teyla: Now we just have to hope that Col. Sheppard and Ronon completed their side of the mission
Carter,Selenka,Mckay: (Looking at Teyla) Who?


Quote of the episode

Lorne: This is our commanding officer
Sheppard:That's right..I'm your comanding officer...so you should do what I say
Lorne: Yes sir..what are your orders
Sheppard: Do what he says (turning and looking at Ronon):)

Great post. I loved that line. :lol:

I think you hit the nail on the head here, in that everyoe had stuff to do, the whole ep felt quite even in terms of character interactions and good stuff for all. And Teyla had lots to do and lots to say! Woohooooooo! I loved her interaction with rodney, and we haven't had much of the two of them having screen time. So for me that was a big bonus. I loved that she kept a calm head, was reasurring and very leaderlike. :D


That was funny! My favorite line was when Rodney bet Shep that he would be the one to lose his memory first. :) The way Shep said "Rodney!" Those silly boys!

Wilson3Girl

*snort* that was so great!


I really enjoyed this episode!

I loved the story, loved the way the episode was filmed and enjoyed the performances.

AM really won we over with his script, and considering this was his first SGA script, I was mightily impressed.

I loved the regular cast here.

Shep was fantastic. Loved his scenes with Ronon. ADORED the infirmary scene. I barely was conscious for that! :o I liked that he showed his smarts in escaping from Ronon, and catching him off guard, and liked that he thought to have Lorne carry the photo.

I agree, I loved how they filmed this, it does seem as if they have a different style this year, but I really like it. AM did a really good job on the script. I always liked AM's work on SG1, so I wondered if he could bring that over to SGA and he certainly did. I keep coming back to things feeling different in S4 and this time was no exception. But I say it in a good way, the style, the direction, trying out new techniques etc. I really do feel as if this season is shaping up very well.

*luffed the Infirmary scenes* :o I admit, my toes curled, and I got very excited and have watched that bit a few times now. Just for the team luff of course, not for the scrubs, or for the chest peekage... :P hehehe. Thank you Mr M for giving us sheppy whump and a infirmary scene with team bonding. *hugs*




Katie? Hmmm, she's sweet and cute, but too sugary for me sometimes. Too cutesy and just...nice. I did think her and Rodney's scenes were sweet, but I've got to be honest, I don't do ship and though the caring was good, I don't want to see too much of that again. I hope they break up soon. Sorry


:lol: She is very girly girl, the complete opposite to McKay, but you know what they say, opposites attract. :lol:

*cough*

Sorry Linz i'm going to have to disagree with you. I know for a fact you're a secret shipper, so don't even try to pull the wool over our eyes that you're not a shipper, because I know better. ;)



So overall, a great episode. Not my favourite one so far, that's DG, but it's up there with Travelers for my number 2. I think TR had a better story than Travelers, but I just really enjoyed it last week, so...well, I just love the variety of episodes we're getting this season. I gave this 9/10

I agree, we've had some great stories this year and the variety of it has actually meant that I just can't compare each of the stories with each other, because they're all different. And there are elements within each of them that I've adored. So for me, this was another great ep. :D

dana_carter_sgx
November 3rd, 2007, 12:09 PM
But my favorite amnesiac by far was Radek....
I thought it was interesting that he, out of them all, had managed to get himself armed and was 'at large' playing commando.
Makes me wonder at his life before Atlantis. Some fan fic writers have given Radek a military background or a past where mistrusting and evading sodiers were a part of everyday life.
Teyla told Rodney that because he was a scientist deep down he would remember science more than anything else.
Perhaps in Radek's past he was a soldier...?
Something to think about, eh?

Yes, for me is too a very interesting question.
In fact, it makes a lot of sense, because between all the relevant characters on the show, Zelenka is the only one I can think of that his place of birth would be relevant when making the character's background.
For the little I know about the history of his country, it makes perfect sense that he has a military background, or if not, that he had worked for the military as scientist... or both or them, in a quite dark time. Yes, it would be really interesting to know something about Radek's past, probably one of the most interesting among the SGA characters

Linzi
November 3rd, 2007, 12:10 PM
Question, why do people think Teyla was so fantastic here?

This is compared to the way she was in other episodes? I mean she was similar to the way she was in Suspicion, The Eye, Misbegotten and Aurora as well as a few other eps. There was nothing spectacular here, except for the fact she was of a focused interest for Rodney. Other than that she was basically the same old, same old----nothing truly dynamic here except that she was entertaining. I'm just a little puzzled because she had even less lines than in other eps in the season, excluding Adrift and Lifeline.

This is not to marginalize the character this season (since it's way too early), but compared---people are acting like Teyla is all new and giving me the impression that they see these aspects of Teyla in TR have NEVER been touched on or seen in other seasonal eps; which is wholly untrue.

She was good, but she was just that, good. Nothing specky.

Oh in regards to Katie----I can't tolerate her and Rodney but my angst over them didn't take away from the show. She just sounded like Snow White (who I abhor as a character for young girls to like) and she slept through the rest so she didn't get too me as much as she could have.
Why did I like Teyla here?

Good question.

I just felt she showed she was tech smart here, which isn't something I've seen too much of before, not that she isn't smart in other ways, but I mean educated in technology. I was impressed with the way she told Rodney about the aerosolising (is that a word? :o) of the cure for the bacteria. She was gentle and firm with Rodney and so patient. So, I just thought she was really nice here. And I haven't seen her quite like that with him before. She basically kept him focused.

I also liked her caring for Sheppard in his infirmary scene, and loved the way she said she wouldn't be insulted if he forgot her birthday. I love to see Teyla smile, and thus loved that bit. So, she just, for me, was appealing in these scenes. I don't know why they stand out for me, but they do.

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 12:13 PM
Who wrote this ep? Oh, it's Alan McCullough. Funny, I thought his stuff on SG1 was kinda eh, but this ep was wonderful. And he's slated for 2 more SGA eps, so I'm expecting great things from him. No pressure. :D

It looks like he wrote "The Seer" "Spoils of War" "Outcast", and The Kindred". So should be interesting how these eps are going to be. :)

So we got 4 more eps from this writer. I am also looking forward to Martin Gero's episodes. :)

Linzi
November 3rd, 2007, 12:14 PM
Sorry Linz i'm going to have to disagree with you. I know for a fact you're a secret shipper, so don't even try to pull the wool over our eyes that you're not a shipper, because I know better. ;)

Shhhhh! You've already outed me publically. Have you no shame? ;) :o




I agree, we've had some great stories this year and the variety of it has actually meant that I just can't compare each of the stories with each other, because they're all different. And there are elements within each of them that I've adored. So for me, this was another great ep. :D

I agree! :)

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 12:20 PM
Question, why do people think Teyla was so fantastic here?

This is compared to the way she was in other episodes? I mean she was similar to the way she was in Suspicion, The Eye, Misbegotten and Aurora as well as a few other eps. There was nothing spectacular here, except for the fact she was of a focused interest for Rodney. Other than that she was basically the same old, same old----nothing truly dynamic here except that she was entertaining. I'm just a little puzzled because she had even less lines than in other eps in the season, excluding Adrift and Lifeline.

This is not to marginalize the character this season (since it's way too early), but compared---people are acting like Teyla is all new and giving me the impression that they see these aspects of Teyla in TR have NEVER been touched on or seen in other seasonal eps; which is wholly untrue.

She was good, but she was just that, good. Nothing specky.

Oh in regards to Katie----I can't tolerate her and Rodney but my angst over them didn't take away from the show. She just sounded like Snow White (who I abhor as a character for young girls to like) and she slept through the rest so she didn't get too me as much as she could have.

Maybe people are just finally noticing her.

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 12:26 PM
I dont know for sure but I thought the same thing. She seemed like she excelled in this ep but at the same time she was barely in the ep.

Maybe it was her lines to the others were more "direct" and "strong" somehow. Maybe it was the uber cool fight scene (cooler then any of the previous fights). Maybe it was her being more fully dressed so it was easier not to simply discard her character as the shows eye candy (like putting Troy in uniform on TNG...same character but she seemed "cooler" once in uniform)....maybe the writers treated her more like a real character.

Its hard to say though because Teyla has always been strong\diplomatic. She has always done a good job encouraging and focusing Rodney. And she has always kicked butt. Somehow though in this ep, she seemed more "direct" and "mature" in all of that....... I cant make sense of it because its not really logical more of just a feeling.

You're statement in bold is my point. Even her lines have always been "direct" and "strong". I'm starting to think that it's because the writers made her a focus for McKay and then everyone is like, "she's great" and "wow, she was amazing". There wasn't much of anything from the norm for her, besides the fact that we know McKay sees her as of vital importance for the SGA Ex's survival.

The way the writers did this is almost like a subliminal message---if this was the case, I'm sorry I took it out of the bag. In most seasons we don't see the other characters making Teyla of serious importance. We see John because he's always in our face as he's lead. We see Rodney because he's second lead, basically, and he's loud, obnoxious and rude he's unmissable (why I love him). We see Ronon because he's the uber hot, "I'll kill you if you don't make a move" kind of character so he's unmistakable. Now Teyla is not invisible...but the underlining impression is always there that she's not, quite there for many people.

Now I've always noticed the girl and thought she was wicked, and I think most people have, they just disregard her importance. In this instance, the writers make her the importance even though she's relegated to much of her role in other eps. So by adding her picture, and making her of the most importance to McKay (the most unforgetabble guy there) and then making her of importance for so many others---then she becomes a focal player for the viewers. She's not forgettable because people are wanting to know several things for the first 35-45 minutes.

1) "Where is Teyla?"
2) "Why is Teyla so important?"
3) "Why does McKay need Teyla so much and as such where is Ronon/John?"



Again, this is just a theory on the perception of the viewers in regards to Teyla..but not set in stone since many people have other views. I just get the feeling this might be it.

And I'm not complaining that Teyla doesn't have screen time, hailing off the rooftops on how great she is, when there wasn't anything defining to make her great or different from other eps she's been in. Not even saying you can't hail she was wonderful and great (since she was, but just as her character has always been). I'm just noticing a lot of respect, when this could have been done for Teyla in the last three seasons in various eps, but it wasn't the case. Well whatever, thanks for the input. :)

**On another note, I'm totally disregarding the clothing comment, since you basically disregarded in your later statements since you were able to pick up aspects of her character in other seasons despite her attire. ~sigh~


Maybe people are just finally noticing her.

That's just sad on so many bloody levels. :mckay:

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 12:27 PM
for me, teyla finally had something to do beyond following everyone else around.

Mandysg1
November 3rd, 2007, 12:32 PM
I really enjoyed this episode :) I thought it had a Hitchcockian feel to it, with the suspense of what everyone with amnesia was feeling. I liked how everyone was true to their nature, even if they couldn't remember who they were. Shining moments for everyone, and I enjoyed the changing of the pairings; Shep with Ronan and Teyla with Rodney.

A truely well written and directed episode :)

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 12:35 PM
I really enjoyed the episode - I'm even warming up to the Rodney and Katie romance; however unsuited they appear - to me anyway - she does seem to have a good influence on him.

But my favorite amnesiac by far was Radek....
I thought it was interesting that he, out of them all, had managed to get himself armed and was 'at large' playing commando.
Makes me wonder at his life before Atlantis. Some fan fic writers have given Radek a military background or a past where mistrusting and evading sodiers were a part of everyday life.
Teyla told Rodney that because he was a scientist deep down he would remember science more than anything else.
Perhaps in Radek's past he was a soldier...?
Something to think about, eh?

Great pickup there, you could be onto something with that. I think it would be interesting to know why his survival skills were that good and he evaded capture very well. So your point about him drawing on his past was a really good observation, and good potential in future eps.


Why did I like Teyla here?

Good question.

I just felt she showed she was tech smart here, which isn't something I've seen too much of before, not that she isn't smart in other ways, but I mean educated in technology. I was impressed with the way she told Rodney about the aerosolising (is that a word? :o) of the cure for the bacteria. She was gentle and firm with Rodney and so patient. So, I just thought she was really nice here. And I haven't seen her quite like that with him before. She basically kept him focused.

I agree, it was like we saw the 'old' Teyla of season 1 in this. I do think Rachel's character has been very under utilised and i've wanted them to explore her character a bit more. We've seen how calm, cool and collected she is, so it was a pleasent surprise to see how much of an impact she made with Rodney, and how she calmed him and made him focus on what he needed to do. The sig of a good leader, and something I look forward to in future eps. :D


I also liked her caring for Sheppard in his infirmary scene, and loved the way she said she wouldn't be insulted if he forgot her birthday. I love to see Teyla smile, and thus loved that bit. So, she just, for me, was appealing in these scenes. I don't know why they stand out for me, but they do.

Hehehe, I loved that bit to, it felt very family-esque that scene. :o And it really feels as the writers are wanting to show us through little glimpses like this how far they've come together.


Shhhhh! You've already outed me publically. Have you no shame? ;) :o



Nope! ;) I can't wait to see you go all gooey eyed in "The seer." :P


I thought it was a great ep! Finally, finally, FINALLY after sifting through 5 mediocre to poor eps I've found an ep I'd sit down and watch again, right now, with no hesitation. This is why I stick around rather than flat out giving up on the show!

The entire ep kept my interest as the mysteries kept on unraveling. I knew about the virus, but I didn't know why Teyla was important or why the military was hunting down people or what had happened to Ronon and Shep. So it was fun to see how everything played out during the ep.

No one annoyed me in this ep! That's got to be some sort of record! Shep wasn't his smug, irritating self or having women throw themselves at him, Ronon didn't go all caveman, Rodney wasn't whiny or the butt of jokes, Teyla didn't seem stiff PLUS she got to kick butt AND was responsible for solving the ep's problem! How often does that happen?! Plus this was the first time I felt that Keller was really CO of the medical division and Carter even blended well into the ep. And to top it off, the Katie/Rodney scenes didn't bother me nearly as much as I thought they would. Wow! Still wouldn't have minded if she bit it, though. :P

Who wrote this ep? Oh, it's Alan McCullough. Funny, I thought his stuff on SG1 was kinda eh, but this ep was wonderful. And he's slated for 2 more SGA eps, so I'm expecting great things from him. No pressure. :D

Why ToF are you coming over to the dark side? ;) I always like AM's scripts, and this time was no exception. Im looking forward to what else he has to offer.

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 12:36 PM
Why did I like Teyla here?

Good question.

I just felt she showed she was tech smart here, which isn't something I've seen too much of before, not that she isn't smart in other ways, but I mean educated in technology. I was impressed with the way she told Rodney about the aerosolising (is that a word? :o) of the cure for the bacteria. She was gentle and firm with Rodney and so patient. So, I just thought she was really nice here. And I haven't seen her quite like that with him before. She basically kept him focused.

I also liked her caring for Sheppard in his infirmary scene, and loved the way she said she wouldn't be insulted if he forgot her birthday. I love to see Teyla smile, and thus loved that bit. So, she just, for me, was appealing in these scenes. I don't know why they stand out for me, but they do.

Dunno Linzi..

You just mentioned eps like Aurora, Tao of Rodney, and to a lesser extent Phantoms for those aspects of Teyla. Eps like Sunday and McKay and Mrs. Miller give you smiling.

Yeah, that's the thing...why are they standing out now and not before.

I feel like I keep getting the answer in the elk of "Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids..." You know like 'it just is, but no one knows why'. It's cool, it's just a question I wanted to toss out there.


for me, teyla finally had something to do beyond following everyone else around.


What was that, besides chillin' in the brig? :S

Are you speaking of this season or in general? If this season, then I'd say okay (but remember it's still early yet in the season). If you're speaking about in general, I'd have to disagree with you completely!

elbo
November 3rd, 2007, 12:37 PM
The whole 'amnesia effect' give a very different feeling to the episode, with mistery-conspiracies, some suspance and a lot of funny moments and out of character scenes. I also liked that each character had a ballanced contribution to the plot; it's just more interesting when the team interacts and is even easier to better develop the character in this way rather than extracting that character and puting him alone in a situation. And also the atention to details is appreciated, like Teal'c photo from Sam's office.

The negative part will be that the plot was totally out of the main story-line. I like the Wraith/Asuran plot twist and we have very few from this development.

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 12:38 PM
Spoilers for lengthYou're statement in bold is my point. Even her lines have always been "direct" and "strong". I'm starting to think that it's because the writers made her a focus for McKay and then everyone is like, "she's great" and "wow, she was amazing". There wasn't much of anything from the norm for her, besides the fact that we know McKay sees her as of vital importance for the SGA Ex's survival.

The way the writers did this is almost like a subliminal message---if this was the case, I'm sorry I took it out of the bag. In most seasons we don't see the other characters making Teyla of serious importance. We see John because he's always in our face as he's lead. We see Rodney because he's second lead, basically, and he's loud, obnoxious and rude he's unmissable (why I love him). We see Ronon because he's the uber hot, "I'll kill you if you don't make a move" kind of character so he's unmistakable. Now Teyla is not invisible...but the underlining impression is always there that she's not, quite there for many people.

Now I've always noticed the girl and thought she was wicked, and I think most people have, they just disregard her importance. In this instance, the writers make her the importance even though she's relegated to much of her role in other eps. So by adding her picture, and making her of the most importance to McKay (the most unforgetabble guy there) and then making her of importance for so many others---then she becomes a focal player for the viewers. She's not forgettable because people are wanting to know several things for the first 35-45 minutes.

1) "Where is Teyla?"
2) "Why is Teyla so important?"
3) "Why does McKay need Teyla so much and as such where is Ronon/John?"



Again, this is just a theory on the perception of the viewers in regards to Teyla..but not set in stone since many people have other views. I just get the feeling this might be it.

And I'm not complaining that Teyla doesn't have screen time, hailing off the rooftops on how great she is, when there wasn't anything defining to make her great or different from other eps she's been in. Not even saying you can't hail she was wonderful and great (since she was, but just as her character has always been). I'm just noticing a lot of respect, when this could have been done for Teyla in the last three seasons in various eps, but it wasn't the case. Well whatever, thanks for the input. :)

**On another note, I'm totally disregarding the clothing comment, since you basically disregarded in your later statements since you were able to pick up aspects of her character in other seasons despite her attire. ~sigh~



That's just sad on so many bloody levels. :mckay:

Hey, didn't say it wasn't . . .:D

I've always liked Teyla, but she does seem a bit more relaxed and less stilted this season. When I saw stitled, I don't mean horribly so, just maybe enough to turn some people off. All the fight scenes have been great, and she seems to be showing more of her intelligent and strong sides. It's Teyla, she's just more . . . Teyla.


I really enjoyed this episode :) I thought it had a Hitchcockian feel to it, with the suspense of what everyone with amnesia was feeling. I liked how everyone was true to their nature, even if they couldn't remember who they were. Shining moments for everyone, and I enjoyed the changing of the pairings; Shep with Ronan and Teyla with Rodney.

A truely well written and directed episode :)

Ooh, goody. I love Hitchcock. :)

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 12:40 PM
as to teyla in this episode, at least she had a pertinent part of the plot to carry out. she wasn't just the 'injured person waiting in the infirmary' or the 'waiting to be rescued'

she was just as much of a contributer to the cure as everyone

kymeric
November 3rd, 2007, 12:56 PM
Good episode but the low point of season 4 to me. Cant really compare to the city being hit by asteroids, but i <3 atlantis all the same.

Cant say i bought teylas brainy moment, heres someone who by all accounts has spent her life crapping in a ditch and burying it with leaves. Mckay must have given her one hell of a tutoring over the last 4 yrs.

Lorne went mental again, lol. I write myself notes when im drunk sometimes, lorne had the same look i do when he checked his pocket. total WTFROFL moment

Love the Zelenka, am i the only one who wants him a main character and on the credits?

Ronin looked really frustrated, lol

Carter is effing hot with her hair down.

Sheppard is less impressive wo his memory intact. Thought it was great Mckay is exactly the same with/wo his memory. Thats ingrained character thar!

Was hoping to see Ronin kill a giant poisoness snake while he wuz on the mainland :-\

Cant wait 4 next week

maxbo
November 3rd, 2007, 12:56 PM
Now, this is an example of a well-balanced episode. Not only was each character used well (including the one-shot characters), but I also loved the references to the Wraith/Replicator war and the mention of the Lanteans' exploration of their new off-base home land.

Usually, no matter how much I love an episode, there's something that I can find fault with - for instance, too much of some characters and not enough of other characters. Thankfully, that's not the case here because each scene was nicely and logically woven into the entire storyline in such a way that I can't think of any scene that I would want to delete and/or change.

I love how the present and past converged in increments and how Rodney's entire quest was to find Teyla because she was the key to saving them all. That was a nice twist from the usual Rodney and/or Sheppard saves the day plots. I loved their (Teyla and Rodney) scenes and it was good to see Teyla kick butt- literally and figuratively.

I also love how Ronon was used as more than the tough guy who wishes he understood science more. It was good to see that he was the one who realized that he and Teyla were immune to the disease. In addition, his talking down a determined, armed Sheppard proved that he can use words to great effect when he has to.

Lorne and Radek were also used well and I enjoyed seeing how their pro/anti-military experiences set them against each other when they started to lose their memories. Lorne's determination to keep people safe (even though he didn't remember why) by confining them must have set off unpleasant memories for Radek, which caused him to fight violently to defend himself.

Sheppard was also interesting to watch because he was wound up tighter than a drum almost as if he was trying to keep his memories by sheer will alone. His expressions during the briefing in Sam's office were of a man struggling to keep it together because he knew he had to. Loved how he came up with the photo idea, thus taking part in saving the day after all. :lol:

I also thought it was interesting how Sam relied more on her instincts as she lost her memory and seemed less constrained somehow. This shift drove home of how much of an adjustment leading SGA must be for her. As one of the team, she didn't have to worry about making the final decision so was free to throw various ideas out there, but as leader, she has to carefully weigh every suggestion and be prepared to make the final decision. That's a lot of pressure.

I also enjoyed Keller and Katie Brown as well. Again, a well-balanced episode where each scene counted.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 01:28 PM
Yeah, that's the thing...why are they standing out now and not before.

I feel like I keep getting the answer in the elk of "Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids..." You know like 'it just is, but no one knows why'. It's cool, it's just a question I wanted to toss out there.

Why are her eps standing out more now? Well, we haven't seen that much of Teyla doing what she does best for a while now, and S4 and certainly the last few eps, Reunion, DG, and now this, shows her being an integral part of the team again. Something that has been lacking for a while now. And it's something that the writers are well aware of and are addressing. :D



What was that, besides chillin' in the brig? :S

Are you speaking of this season or in general? If this season, then I'd say okay (but remember it's still early yet in the season). If you're speaking about in general, I'd have to disagree with you completely!

No, Teyla was the important link to the whole ep in this, so her being in the brig was just a minor point. She was the one who kept an eye on Rodney and made him stop focussing on what he couldn't do and instead focus on what was important. Without her there he would have panicked. She was the driving facter in him finishing what he started. keeping his mind on his work and not on what was coming.




The negative part will be that the plot was totally out of the main story-line. I like the Wraith/Asuran plot twist and we have very few from this development.

I don't mind that we get eps like this, that are out of the arc, not everything can be arc related. Besides we did get a snippet of info about what was happening between the Wraith and the replicators. But while they're busy fighting each other they're not causing trouble elsewhere, and the inhabitants are being left alone. But one big clue was let slip, was that the Wraith are getting organised, as the Asurans had lost two of their ships. :D


Now, this is an example of a well-balanced episode. Not only was each character used well (including the one-shot characters), but I also loved the references to the Wraith/Replicator war and the mention of the Lanteans' exploration of their new off-base home land.

Usually, no matter how much I love an episode, there's something that I can find fault with - for instance, too much of some characters and not enough of other characters. Thankfully, that's not the case here because each scene was nicely and logically woven into the entire storyline in such a way that I can't think of any scene that I would want to delete and/or change.

I love how the present and past converged in increments and how Rodney's entire quest was to find Teyla because she was the key to saving them all. That was a nice twist from the usual Rodney and/or Sheppard saves the day plots. I loved their (Teyla and Rodney) scenes and it was good to see Teyla kick butt- literally and figuratively.

I also love how Ronon was used as more than the tough guy who wishes he understood science more. It was good to see that he was the one who realized that he and Teyla were immune to the disease. In addition, his talking down a determined, armed Sheppard proved that he can use words to great effect when he has to.

Lorne and Radek were also used well and I enjoyed seeing how their pro/anti-military experiences set them against each other when they started to lose their memories. Lorne's determination to keep people safe (even though he didn't remember why) by confining them must have set off unpleasant memories for Radek, which caused him to fight violently to defend himself.

Sheppard was also interesting to watch because he was wound up tighter than a drum almost as if he was trying to keep his memories by sheer will alone. His expressions during the briefing in Sam's office were of a man struggling to keep it together because he knew he had to. Loved how he came up with the photo idea, thus taking part in saving the day after all. :lol:

I also thought it was interesting how Sam relied more on her instincts as she lost her memory and seemed less constrained somehow. This shift drove home of how much of an adjustment leading SGA must be for her. As one of the team, she didn't have to worry about making the final decision so was free to throw various ideas out there, but as leader, she has to carefully weigh every suggestion and be prepared to make the final decision. That's a lot of pressure.

I also enjoyed Keller and Katie Brown as well. Again, a well-balanced episode where each scene counted.

Good post. I enjoyed those bits you mentioned to, and agree it was nice to see a different side to Ronon in this, in that he didn't even think about going for Shep (when Shep was armed), even though it's possible he could have taken him. Instead he used his words to get through to him, and it worked well, and it just goes to show that Ronon doesn't have to use his gun all the time, and that he's perfectly capable of solving fights with his brain and not just his braun. Maybe losing his friends the way he did has taught him to be more receptive and let his friends know how much they mean to him?

wolverine_nl
November 3rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Brillient, did anyone else spot the picture of Teal'c in Sam's office? thought it was a nice touch! Now where is she hiding that picture of Daniel?

Also Daniel's photo is in her office, its in the scene when Dr K. Tells Sam there is a quarantine situation in the infirmary, watch Sam's shot, his photo is on the right side ;)

Admiral Mappalazarou
November 3rd, 2007, 01:39 PM
I think this episode was only average to be honest. I felt that the flashbacks weren't needed, and as soon as the first flashback occurred - most of the mystery was depleted instantly.

The episode had a brilliant, creepy opening and if it had stayed in the present and followed Rodney and a few of the others for the entirety of the episode - instead of going back and destroying the mystery - then it would have been great. I would have had various videos left by members of the expedition lying around for Rodney to find and very slowly reveal how the desease came to be there through them.

ToasterOnFire
November 3rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
I was happy with Teyla because ZOMG! she helped solve the ep problem! Most of the time that honor is shuttled off to Shep and/or McKay while Teyla and Ronon look on or ask questions. So it was nice to see her come to the front, even though this wasn't a Teyla-heavy ep. Plus, at this point I'm just happy to see more of Teyla, considering she didn't have much to do in the past 4/5 eps.


It looks like he wrote "The Seer" "Spoils of War" "Outcast", and The Kindred". So should be interesting how these eps are going to be. :)

So we got 4 more eps from this writer. I am also looking forward to Martin Gero's episodes. :)
Oh, 4 huh? I guess imdb didn't have the right info, no shocker there. :D


Why ToF are you coming over to the dark side? ;) I always like AM's scripts, and this time was no exception. Im looking forward to what else he has to offer.
Wouldn't that be the light side? ;) Have no fear, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be an anti on some level after what TPTB did with Weir. But that won't stop me from enjoying eps when they're good or from hoping that TPTB continue to write good eps instead of what I've seen recently. :)

vaberella
November 3rd, 2007, 01:47 PM
as to teyla in this episode, at least she had a pertinent part of the plot to carry out. she wasn't just the 'injured person waiting in the infirmary' or the 'waiting to be rescued'

she was just as much of a contributer to the cure as everyone

Hmmm....so I guess, chillin' in the brig for a while doesn't count as 'waiting to be rescued'. :S

I don't see her as pertinent, they could have easily put Ronon's face on that Tablet. Huh...now that thought makes me wonder if the affect would have been the same if it was Ronon's face on the Tablet rather than Teyla's. Her contribution was reminscint to her contribution in Submersion, Phantoms to a lesser extent, Instinct, and a multitude of eps from S1 (The Siege III being one of the most important portrayals) and S2.

Teyla has had two infirmary scenes in S3 and now she's might as well be Keller's assistant. She get's two eps of rescue, keeping in mind McKay has had a few of his own...She's being rescued all the time. Forget S2 when we barely saw that except in Michael. Ditto for S1, except for when she was getting an inkling of her abilities.

In any event, I don't see much difference, but this ep seems to be turning into that turning point ep and I'd like to know where so I can compliment and gush as much as the next person. I'm just not getting it, nor do I think I will, I'll wait until Missing.


Hey, didn't say it wasn't . . .:D

I've always liked Teyla, but she does seem a bit more relaxed and less stilted this season. When I saw stitled, I don't mean horribly so, just maybe enough to turn some people off. All the fight scenes have been great, and she seems to be showing more of her intelligent and strong sides. It's Teyla, she's just more . . . Teyla.
I'd have to disagree on the stilted or relaxed. I found Teyla was relaxing since S2, mainly because of probably not seeing the SGA team as an unknown entity who is an ally but also destroyed the world she knew. But also the fact that the SGA Ex doesn't look upon her as an enemy until that point. This was again solidified in S3 with Sateda. So basically she's been the same from what I've seen, her change really came about towards the beginning of S2 as seen in eps like Intruder, post Seige III.

"More of her intelligent side"?! Again I disagree, I saw it in Aurora and Michael. Fighting in itself is great, since I like actionary figures, but it's not the end all be all to defining a character. Back tracking to Sateda and we see Ronon's display of power, emotion, and intelligence. <---Exemplary.

As for the last statement...she was in the brig, there was no real more Teyla. But again this is neither here nor there, I was looking for opinions, I'm just not picking on something really defining from the statements to make me enjoy her presence as much as everyone else. I just found it boggling and a bit interesting.

Also, I was asking these questions not to refute them, but really to enjoy Teyla to the extent everyone else is as though she's a new and alluring character. I just saw a great story, good use of Teyla---but she wasn't a surprisingly dimensional character as some of the posters are making her out to be... But maybe I should stop before I snuff the light out, if I can, in new found excitement in Teyla. Backlash always seems imminent for this character. :S


The negative part will be that the plot was totally out of the main story-line. I like the Wraith/Asuran plot twist and we have very few from this development.

I agree 100% with the above. It's good this episode turned out so well considering it's relative un-importance to the main plot. What I find a good move and helps this episode is that I find, which I mentioned before, the writers connected this to Doppelganger. So even though it was basically a 'filler' episode it connects through actions and moments to Doppelganger to balance out it's presence and not a one-drop. Plus, it could be used, as in the fears of the characters played out in the rest of the season.

garhkal
November 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
Definitely a good episode.

I am actually glad they didn't kill off Katie. I was afraid of that at the end.

I had figured it was some sort of Pegasus Galaxy thing.

I loved the McKay/Teyla and Shep/Ronon and Shep/Carter scenes.

Overall, I give it a 4/5.

Same here, though i was fearing that maybe since Katie was one of the longer duration sufferers of the virus, she might have had some left over symptoms..

For me some of the best scenes, were when raddick and Rodney met the first time, the shep/ronon scene when they got to the mainland, and then the scene where sam agreed to help Rodney while the rest of the room was 'amblivant' about it.



This episode had a very "Sunday" feel, in the fact that it utilized all the flash backs, one minute it's present day, the next it's 10 hour earlier.


Yes it did have a sunday esque feel. BUT that is what for me made it better than expected.


I think it was kinda interesting how Lorne and the soldiers were taking the pills and rounding up civilians, but they didn't know why.

That is true. Also i would like to know how they knew what drugs to find when they went back to the infirmary..


Frankly, this one could have been seperated into a two-parter. But I didn't mind the quick resolve.

I agree. It could have been made into a two parter..



Finally, Keller was good too...she must've been terrified---forgetting types of medication/amnts. of medication when people's lives were in her hands. Scary stuff. Great episode! :)

Wilson3Girl

That was great when she was struggling to remember what to do, though i could ahve sworn that one guy they were working on had a heart beat before they started using the defliblerator..



Love Carter/Mckay scaping she was holding Mckay's hand leading him to safety so funny.:mckay::sam:

Ohh.. You have to now wonder if any of them remember what went on while they were 'amnesiacs'.. And if so, i would love to see sam's reaction to her leading rodney around by the hand..



And yea! lots of Teyla in this ep. Including one great little fight scene. BTW, who is RL's stunt double? that fall and slide across the corridor when Teyla is stunned by Lorne's men was wicked.


True... She must have had a double in that scene due to the possiblity of causing a miscarriage with that slide..


Lastly, Ronan's speech at the jumper to Sheppard was horrible-I normally love the guy, but he had no emotion in his voice when he spoke, and what could have been a very emotional, moving scene ended up more like someone just reading a script.

It was kind of a little 'bland' in the emotion department, but i will forgive them for that.


Interesting though, how he remembered both English and Czech.

That is a good point that though they could not remember who they were etc, that they could remember how to speak.



Was it me or when he shot sheppard did he say "that never gets old". Thats what I heard and to me thats a ROFLMAO line.

Yes he did and i was laughing my a$$ off at it...


I thought this too. But, it was the only plot point I thought didn't make sense. Everything else he wrote on his arm made logical sense he would write. But, the code to the cell? That made me go 'unuh'.


Agreed. Though it may have made sense that since he knew the code, he would right it down while he had the forsight to do so, since he was knowing that soldiers were rounding people up and he might end up there.


It just occurred to me: In the vid he made for himself he says something to the tune of: "I don't know where Teyla is, maybe they've already taken her to the brig".

So I hand-waved that as soon as that occurred to him, he wrote down the code on his arm . . . I am still spazzing about writing-things-on-his-arms-Rodney: that was so awesome!

Great catch. I know i missed it.


And am I the only one that thought Katie had died during that last scene? The opening shot, coupled with Sheppard's conversation, really got me thinking, "Oh God! Not another cast member! Poor McKay!"

I was fearing it for a while, but when i saw her chest slightly rising and falling just after we saw McCay's hand on hers, i knew she was not dead.


Is it me? But didn't Keller kill the man she was defibrillating early in the episode? He had a rhythm at 200 and then she shocked him again at 300 and he flatlined? They all just kind of looked at each other but I thought she killed him.

Nope. I caught that too, as mentioned above.


just wanted to mention my favorite line. when teyla is explaining that rodney will remember the science stuff because that's what he cares about: "doesn't that make me a bad person?" LOL I loved that

And her line in response to it "No that makes you the kind of person who will save us all"...


Brillient, did anyone else spot the picture of Teal'c in Sam's office? thought it was a nice touch! Now where is she hiding that picture of Daniel?

Nope. Missed it. Guess i will have to go {snip} and rewatch it.

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 02:03 PM
I'd have to disagree on the stilted or relaxed. I found Teyla was relaxing since S2, mainly because of probably not seeing the SGA team as an unknown entity who is an ally but also destroyed the world she knew. But also the fact that the SGA Ex doesn't look upon her as an enemy until that point. This was again solidified in S3 with Sateda. So basically she's been the same from what I've seen, her change really came about towards the beginning of S2 as seen in eps like Intruder, post Seige III.

"More of her intelligent side"?! Again I disagree, I saw it in Aurora and Michael. Fighting in itself is great, since I like actionary figures, but it's not the end all be all to defining a character. Back tracking to Sateda and we see Ronon's display of power, emotion, and intelligence. <---Exemplary.

As for the last statement...she was in the brig, there was no real more Teyla. But again this is neither here nor there, I was looking for opinions, I'm just not picking on something really defining from the statements to make me enjoy her presence as much as everyone else. I just found it boggling and a bit interesting.

Also, I was asking these questions not to refute them, but really to enjoy Teyla to the extent everyone else is as though she's a new and alluring character. I just saw a great story, good use of Teyla---but she wasn't a surprisingly dimensional character as some of the posters are making her out to be... But maybe I should stop before I snuff the light out, if I can, in new found excitement in Teyla. Backlash always seems imminent for this character. :S



I agree 100% with the above. It's good this episode turned out so well considering it's relative un-importance to the main plot. What I find a good move and helps this episode is that I find, which I mentioned before, the writers connected this to Doppelganger. So even though it was basically a 'filler' episode it connects through actions and moments to Doppelganger to balance out it's presence and not a one-drop. Plus, it could be used, as in the fears of the characters played out in the rest of the season.

Yes, I know. I liked those eps because of it. I just meant more of it.
Perhaps I should butt out until I see this ep, I was just going on what I've seen so far in the season. :D

FoolishPleasure
November 3rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
Why did Rodney put Teyla's pic on his computer instead of Ronon? Because Ronon had gone to the mainland and by that time, Rodney probably forgot he even existed, plus Teyla had been next to him the whole time - got chased by the soldiers and Rodney still remembered that she was important.

Why did I like Teyla here, but not previously? Probably because we've seen so much of Teyla just standing around as window dressing, or swinging sticks, or trying to be leaderly while wearing an "I Dream of Jeannie" outfit (like I'm going to take THAT seriously). Here we saw her in REAL clothing that looked nice on her, and we saw her treating an obviously confused Rodney with patience, respect, and maturity that we rarely see in her. We didn't need to see her sexy body, we finally got to see TEYLA and what is inside of her. I liked it, and I hope we see more of this side of her personality, and less the rescuing of "Mary Sue Teyla" with bugs crawling up her boobies.

Lord batchi ball
November 3rd, 2007, 02:14 PM
*screams* It´s ZELENKA! He is there for almost four years, so I think it´s enough time to remember his name. :rolleyes:

Take it down a noch.

Some of us are just very bad at spelling, especially foriegn names. And its just a show.

But spelling besides I thought It was a great episode the whole escape was great and Zelanka was IMO one the best in the episode and Rodney and Carter also did great.

morjana
November 3rd, 2007, 02:28 PM
I wondered why Sam wasn't in uniform at the beginning of the episode, too. She was obviously working, so it didn't make sense until the episode progressed. If she had been dressed as a soldier instead of in her civilian clothes then the soldiers might not have taken her to the mess hall. It was a necessary thing for this episode. Plus, she is in charge of Atlantis and Lorne would have potentially held on to that in his memory if she were dressed the part. We'd have missed that great scene between Lorne, John, and Ronan at the end of the episode.


Perhaps Sam was off-duty when the emergency began. Unlike General Hammond at the SGC, when she's "off-duty" her home (quarters) aren't off-base -- they're on Atlantis. And Sam didn't have the time, or want to take the time, to change clothing.

And we've seen through ten seasons of SG1 that Sam is not all that fashion concious when she's off duty. She dresses for comfort, not for style. IMO, the one outfit that Sam wore during SG1 that was a knockout was the sundress in season seven's "Chimera:"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/sundress.jpg

Morjana

hisg1fans
November 3rd, 2007, 02:47 PM
Perhaps Sam was off-duty when the emergency began. Unlike General Hammond at the SGC, when she's "off-duty" her home (quarters) aren't off-base -- they're on Atlantis. And Sam didn't have the time, or want to take the time, to change clothing.

And we've seen through ten seasons of SG1 that Sam is not all that fashion concious when she's off duty. She dresses for comfort, not for style. IMO, the one outfit that Sam wore during SG1 that was a knockout was the sundress in season seven's "Chimera:"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/sundress.jpg

Morjana

Gosh, I thought Sam was in uniform?!?!? I'll have to watch the episode again. I thought she had on the Atlantis pants and shirt, just not the jacket.

Oh well, twist my arm. I 'have' to watch it again. Twist, twist ;)

Platschu
November 3rd, 2007, 02:50 PM
I've read the episode guide on scifi.com and I've found this useful informations:

the name of the illness - Kirsan
the name of the herb - Enchuri

luvstarg8sg_1
November 3rd, 2007, 02:52 PM
I liked this episode but why do they always bring every storyline back to rodney? This could have been a perfect time to add some depth to teylas and Ronons characters. I love the show and will watch till the end but having rodney as the center of EVERY plot is frustrating.


CARTER IS SMARTER THAN RODNEY LET HER BE A SCIENTIST!!
Just because she is incharge doesnt mean she cant do anything!!




:sam:

Callie
November 3rd, 2007, 03:02 PM
Was that really a photo of Teal'c?! My (cough)<snip>(cough) wasn't very high quality this time but I didn't think it was him - I wondered if it was a young picture of Jacob Carter. But if she's got a photo of Daniel as well, perhaps it is Teal'c.

I must have been the only one who didn't for a moment think that Katie was dead at the end. Perhaps it was the very loud comforting beep coming from her heart monitor.

Nice episode, beautifully filmed, and sponsored by the “Well” people. By the end of typing the transcript (which I should be sending to Darren in a couple of hours after I've finished proof-reading it), I’d almost got the giggles at the number of times that people started a sentence with “Well ...”

The_Carpenter
November 3rd, 2007, 03:04 PM
Also Daniel's photo is in her office, its in the scene when Dr K. Tells Sam there is a quarantine situation in the infirmary, watch Sam's shot, his photo is on the right side ;)

Nice, theres also a picture of General Hammond on the same shelf as Teal'cs you can see it when the shot pans out from the ancient wall display.

Callie
November 3rd, 2007, 03:14 PM
Ooh, and thanks to Platschu for the correct spellings. I'll amend my best-but-wrong guesses!

Now, where's Klenotka with the Czech translations?!

Integrabyte
November 3rd, 2007, 03:15 PM
I guess SGA has jumped the shark a long time ago and we should stop fooling ourselves. I did not look forward to this episode, I did not read any spoilers, and I was rather disappointed. The highlight of the episode was at the end when Katie spoke to Rodney. I loved that scene. Keller is in another world when she plays. I have no idea why they chose her over Carson. I did not like Carson that much but Keller is simply inferior. Because of Keller,the whole med department in SGA blo*s for the lack of a better word. I should stop now, I do not want to start a revolution....

MediaSavant
November 3rd, 2007, 03:23 PM
Confession: I haven't seen any Atlantis episodes this year until this one. A few are on my Tivo queue, but I hadn't gotten around to it.

But, I was on a Jet Blue plane last night and I was able to watch Tabula Rasa on DirectTV.

It was pretty good. I liked the production values. The story was fairly engaging. I hadn't seen the show since the cast changes. The new doctor is fine and I didn't miss Weir.

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 03:25 PM
i thought the scene where sam told the guys to take the jumper and/or go through the gate, and then ronan and teyla told her that she'd prevented it - amanda did great with that confused 'i said what? i did?' look. :p
I loved that too.


on a cute sidenote, in my tv section of the newpaper, this is how they wrote up about tonight's ep: 'a virus-enducing amnesia has the whole cast forgetting their lines." :p



sally :D
:lol: That's too funny.

Agent_Dark
November 3rd, 2007, 03:27 PM
interesting, I think Teyla's been taking a few maths classes. She knew what Pi was and what it represented.

Oreo
November 3rd, 2007, 03:29 PM
I'll take bets on how long before Katie dies? I go within 10 episodes, most like episode 10 or 11 of this season.

I enjoyed this episode a lot, it was nicely done. Plus I'm finally, after 3 full seasons, feeling like this is a team and that they care about each other.

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 03:32 PM
I guess SGA has jumped the shark a long time ago and we should stop fooling ourselves. I did not look forward to this episode, I did not read any spoilers, and I was rather disappointed. The highlight of the episode was at the end when Katie spoke to Rodney. I loved that scene.
Wow I can't disagree more than I do with this statement. SGA has far from jumped the shark IMHO. I too loved the Katie Rodney scene but there are many more highlights. Carter really seems well adjusted now and it was greaet to see her both in and out of uniform as well as being the Carter we all know and love and then all of a sudden having no clue who she is or where she is. It had excellent team interaction and everyone shined in thie. Carter, Keller, Rodney, Teyla, Ronon, Maj Lorne, and even Zelenka. The scene at the end with Ronon, John and Lorne is priceless.



Keller is in another world when she plays. I have no idea why they chose her over Carson. I did not like Carson that much but Keller is simply inferior. Because of Keller,the whole med department in SGA blo*s for the lack of a better word. I should stop now, I do not want to start a revolution....

Guess I was wrong as I really disagree here. Keller was in top form in this one and Jewel did a great job. Keller is far from inferior she did a bang up job.

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 03:33 PM
interesting, I think Teyla's been taking a few maths classes. She knew what Pi was and what it represented.

Not really she just knew that Mckay would know it. All she said is "What's the circumfrance of a circle"

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 03:35 PM
I'll take bets on how long before Katie dies? I go within 10 episodes, most like episode 10 or 11 of this season.
They better not do that.


I enjoyed this episode a lot, it was nicely done. Plus I'm finally, after 3 full seasons, feeling like this is a team and that they care about each other.

I agree that the team really has grown into a family but they have cared about each other from day one.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 03:36 PM
Nice, theres also a picture of General Hammond on the same shelf as Teal'cs you can see it when the shot pans out from the ancient wall display.

It's not a picture of Gen.Hammond, it's a picture of her Dad, Jacob.

Left to right for the pics that I could see, were....

Teal'c, Daniel, Cassie, Sam and Jack fishing *squee* and Jacob :D

I'll take a few caps... unless someone beats me to it :D

The_Carpenter
November 3rd, 2007, 03:39 PM
It's not a picture of Gen.Hammond, it's a picture of her Dad, Jacob.

Left to right for the pics that I could see, were....

Teal'c, Daniel, Cassie, Sam and Jack fishing *squee* and Jacob :D

I'll take a few caps... unless someone beats me to it :D

Oppps right you are, probably means I should get to sleep lol

majorsal
November 3rd, 2007, 03:39 PM
How cute, Carter in civilian clothing however in my opinion she should wear military clothing maybe the standard blue SG team uniform or something cos it makes her look so unimportant, anyway not important!



i was thinking about this. while it doesn't seem 'wrong' for sam to wear non military *at atlantis* to me, i 'think' the reason the writers did this was so that when sam lost her memory, she wouldn't know she was military too. i think it was neat and interesting that it became the military vrs the scientists. sam's both. but i wonder... did sam go scientist *because* she didn't remember she was military as well, or because of instinct?




sally :D

The_Carpenter
November 3rd, 2007, 03:41 PM
i was thinking about this. while it doesn't seem 'wrong' for sam to wear non military *at atlantis* to me, i 'think' the reason the writers did this was so that when sam lost her memory, she wouldn't know she was military too. i think it was neat and interesting that it became the military vrs the scientists. sam's both. but i wonder... did sam go scientist *because* she didn't remember she was military as well, or because of instinct?




sally :D

Or the military treated her like a scientist and not their CO, so when she lost her memory she assumed she was a scientist and not military.

Beyonder
November 3rd, 2007, 03:43 PM
Keller is in another world when she plays. I have no idea why they chose her over Carson. I did not like Carson that much but Keller is simply inferior. Because of Keller,the whole med department in SGA blo*s for the lack of a better word.

I can't see why you'd think that Keller is inferior. She's been totally outstanding this season.

majorsal
November 3rd, 2007, 03:48 PM
I wondered why Sam wasn't in uniform at the beginning of the episode, too. She was obviously working, so it didn't make sense until the episode progressed. If she had been dressed as a soldier instead of in her civilian clothes then the soldiers might not have taken her to the mess hall. It was a necessary thing for this episode. Plus, she is in charge of Atlantis and Lorne would have potentially held on to that in his memory if she were dressed the part. We'd have missed that great scene between Lorne, John, and Ronan at the end of the episode.


hey, yeah, what she said. :p

i really wish this ep would have been a two-parter.



sally :D

CalmStorm
November 3rd, 2007, 03:59 PM
CARTER IS SMARTER THAN RODNEY LET HER BE A SCIENTIST!!
Just because she is incharge doesnt mean she cant do anything!!


LOL. Generally speaking, they didn't let Hammond do a whole bunch. They didn't let Weir do a whole bunch. When Jack took over, he didn't do that much either (of course part of that was his decision to reduce screen time). Landry didn't do all that much either. Why should it change for Carter?

To me, each "leader" is written basically the same. The only difference is the nuances that each actor has brought to the characters. So Carter's background is in science and military, Weir's background is in politics/diplomacy and language, and Hammond's and Landry's seemed to be strictly military. Every once in a while, you'll see the leader front and center, but for the most part the position is written the same, regardless of the character filling the role.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 04:03 PM
Oppps right you are, probably means I should get to sleep lol

:lol: Well if it makes you feel any better, i missed it completely the first time around. :o And the second time, I had to go find my glasses. :P

Here ya go

Spoiler space for those that are not interested in Sam or her office decor. :D
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/NDVD_091-1.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/NDVD_092.jpg


I can't find daniel, he's in hiding, :lol:

Leliana McKay
November 3rd, 2007, 04:05 PM
Ok, let me just... SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! and **happy sigh**

The episode was awesome. I just enjoyed myself way too much watching it. I have to give a 10/10 for it.

Excellent plot even if there were a few "too easy" solutions to some problems. Really enjoyed having (almost) everyone from Atlantis in this episode. Great performance for many actors. David is AMAZING and so cute in many scenes. Rachel and David Nykl were awesome too. However, Amanda or Carter I should say was not that great in this episode. She was boring and not looking that much affected by the memory loss.



I loved:

-The teaser was a total success. Rodney strapped to his desk. "Press here" to turn on the computer and...thevideo of himself telling him not to panick and complete his job, to find Teyla. Loved the kinda "wanted" picture of Teyla. The video of him giving the instruction to take the knife under the chair too free himself felt like a "mission impossible" movie.
The flashback were a great idea! It was unsettling at first but gave a real rythm to the episode.

-RODNEY AND KATIE!!!
I'm a romantic and a geek so, the scene in the botany labs was just so sweet. Rodney was just so lovable in this scene I wanted to hug him! and Katie naming a plant after Rodney just proves how deeply those two are smitten!!

-Funny Keller line.
"Doctor Brown. I see you brought my number one patient" LOL Rodney and his many allergies!!

-Rodney writing things on his arms it was totally cool. He looked like an insane genius, or a drug addict, lol.

-Rodney kinda being in command of the amnesic people. Rodney was more acting like a leader then Carter... well until she said "we need a plan."

-After they escape, Sam mentions they should start looking in every room and they come across a balcony and see the size of Atlantis. (yep, it's big. Loved the "oh crap" look on McKay's face).

-When they meet with Radek, and he is all impressed that Rodney turned on the computer screen (GEEKS!!)

-Rodney loses his memory a bit more and Teyla needs to tell him what he was doing (I'm impressed Teyla remembered all the info) Rodney starts freaking out and Teyla asks him what's the ratio of a circle circonference to it's diameter ( it sounds as painful in english as it is un french,lol) the answer is Pi and Rodney knows it!!! Teyla tells him he is a scientist and this is the stuff he cares about so that's what he will remember the longest. ( Teyla is just GREAT in this episode!! She knows how our Rodney is!) ( Oh and she touches is arm! This is for the shippers!) Rodney of course asks if that makes him a really bad person but Teyla tells him it makes him the type of person who is going to save all their lives ( Love the confidance in her voice!)

-John wakes in the infirmary. Teyla says some people died, John gets all worried about McKay (extrememly shippy for slashers!!)

- Rodney actually at Katie's bedside, holding her hand, sleepy. Keller tells him to go to sleep but he refuses. Katie wakes up and remembers Rodney. The hopefull look on Rodney's face and then Katie finally saying "Rodney?" almost made me cry.


Didn't like:
-that Rodney had the forceshield code written on his arm (this was way too easy, Rodney didn't know for certainTeyla had been taken to the brig in the first place so how come did he wrote the code on his arm??? that's one giant lucky guess).
-Sam's not so memory lost attitude.

Falcon Horus
November 3rd, 2007, 04:08 PM
Okay, I've just wached TR and here's my thought on it...

Never during the entire episode I had the feeling I was watching something exciting...never... I wasn't even interested in what had happened or what was going to happen. I had the feeling, it was a bad fanfic. I even had the feeling there was some serious plotholing going on... but I guess that was just part of the episode.

And I think I was kind of excited to watch it, though maybe I shouldn't have. It disappointed me.

I smiled/chuckled three times:
When Teyla is helping Rodney and she asks him the circle-diameter-thing. The second time when Rodney, Radek and Carter turn to her and wonder who she means by Colonel Sheppard. (see I chuckled with a scene that had Carter, I'm making progress) And the third time when Ronon and John are in the jumper bay with Lorne and his men.

I miss Kate beyond belief and to strenghten that missing, I told Rodney (yes, I talk to the screen, or yell depends on who's running across) to check in Kate's old quarters. Teyla might be there.

Anyway... poor Radek! With his Czech background, it's not difficult to imagine his paranoia towards soldiers.

The lack of Teyla starts to work on my nerves, and Ronon was pretty much forgotten as well. I hope this big Teyla-arc comes soon, cause Teyla is pretty much the only reason why I'm still watching this ship-wreck.
I liked her part in this episode, got whumper to which is always an added bonus, but for cryin' out loud stop forgetting about her until the very end.

Also annoying was the dreamlike effect when we're watching the 'present' scenes... It added a little extra yes but it got a bit annoying towards the end.

Katie and Rodney are cute, and it's funny she'd name a cactus after him. :D I'm glad Katie survived this episode.

Rodney scribblings on his arms, I wouldn't have expected anything else from him but just that.

Anything else to add... *wrecks brain*

Maybe one more thing... Please, dear goddesses watching over the good that is Atlantis, let next week's episode be as exciting as I hope it will be! please, just this once! :o

Edit: I knew I was forgetting something.... Why is Carter running around like a civilian? If she's supposed to be military, she should at least be wearing the right outfit, and please leave that cleavage at home... :S

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 04:09 PM
:lol: Well if it makes you feel any better, i missed it completely the first time around. :o And the second time, I had to go find my glasses. :P

Here ya go

Spoiler space for those that are not interested in Sam or her office decor. :D
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/NDVD_091-1.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/NDVD_092.jpg


I can't find daniel, he's in hiding, :lol:

I see Jacob and Teal'c but who's in the red frame? Daniel mabey?

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 04:11 PM
I can't see why you'd think that Keller is inferior. She's been totally outstanding this season.

Agreed she has more than made up for Carson not being there. *runs and hides*:tomato:

morjana
November 3rd, 2007, 04:15 PM
Cant say i bought teylas brainy moment, heres someone who by all accounts has spent her life crapping in a ditch and burying it with leaves. Mckay must have given her one hell of a tutoring over the last 4 yrs.

How rude! Geez...

Just because the Athosians are a nomadic people doesn't necessarily mean that their culture is NOT advanced and/or civilized - and/or uneducated.

That's merely an assumption on your part.

(PS - Please reconsider any plans of joining the US State Dept. as a diplomat. The US has enough problems in that area already.)

I've always thought of Teyla to the Atlantis team as similar to Sacajawea and the Lewis & Clark Expedition. Sacajawea came from a totally different background, education, culture -- yet it was Sacajawea who many times saved the Lewis & Clark Expedition from certain death with her knowledge of the indigenous peoples, the terrain, and the local customs.

Morjana

Beyonder
November 3rd, 2007, 04:17 PM
Agreed she has more than made up for Carson not being there. *runs and hides*:tomato:
I know. I almost cried when Carson died, especially the last scene with him and Rodney. Kellers filled his shoes pretty good, I've almost forgot Carson. Almost..

And I'm not ashamed of admitting that! :P

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 04:22 PM
How rude! Geez...

Just because the Athosians are a nomadic people doesn't necessarily mean that their culture is NOT advanced and/or civilized - and/or uneducated.

That's merely an assumption on your part.

(PS - Please reconsider any plans of joining the US State Dept. as a diplomat. The US has enough problems in that area already.)

I've always thought of Teyla to the Atlantis team as similar to Sacajawea and the Lewis & Clark Expedition. Sacajawea came from a totally different background, education, culture -- yet it was Sacajawea who many times saved the Lewis & Clark Expedition from certain death with her knowledge of the indigenous peoples, the terrain, and the local customs.

Morjana

THANK YOU! :D

fuchsia
November 3rd, 2007, 04:24 PM
I see Jacob and Teal'c but who's in the red frame? Daniel mabey?

I think it's Cassie in the red frame.

Melora
November 3rd, 2007, 04:29 PM
<snip>Edit: I knew I was forgetting something.... Why is Carter running around like a civilian? If she's supposed to be military, she should at least be wearing the right outfit, and please leave that cleavage at home... :S

I'm not sure why or even if Sam was wearing civvies. Perhaps, as someone already said, she was off duty when the situation was brought to her attention. Perhaps she was wearing the uniform pants and shirt, just not the jacket (as someone else mentioned). Weir often went around in just her uniform pants and shirt without the jacket and I don't recall anyone getting upset about it.

Sam is military, but she only wore a military uniform in the first three episodes. Since she took command of Atlantis, she has worn the Atlantis uniform. Therefore, I suspect she is following the dress code rules that apply to the international Atlantis team members, not the U.S. Military. As Atlantis is an international project, perhaps TPTB thought it would be best that Sam wasn't dressed in a uniform that represents one country's military. Just a guess.


I didn't even notice Sam's cleavage in this ep. But then again, I wasn't really looking in that general area. Did anyone else think it was too "in your face"? I also don't recall anyone complaining about Liz's cleavage in the past and her shirts were just as low cut as the one Sam wore in this ep. So I guess I'm confused as to why this is such an issue.

Anyways, I'm afraid she can't "leave [it] at home" b/c it's part of her body and I don't see her getting breast reduction surgery anytime soon. ;)

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 04:31 PM
I see Jacob and Teal'c but who's in the red frame? Daniel mabey?

The one in the red frame is Cassie, Janet's daughter. Daniel is to the lefte of her.. so to speak. :lol:


Okay, I've just wached TR and here's my thought on it...

Never during the entire episode I had the feeling I was watching something exciting...never... I wasn't even interested in what had happened or what was going to happen. I had the feeling, it was a bad fanfic. I even had the feeling there was some serious plotholing going on... but I guess that was just part of the episode.

What gaping plot holes? I wondered about the codes to the brig, and maybe leaving Lorne out in the open... but gaping?



And I think I was kind of excited to watch it, though maybe I shouldn't have. It disappointed me.

I smiled/chuckled three times:
When Teyla is helping Rodney and she asks him the circle-diameter-thing. The second time when Rodney, Radek and Carter turn to her and wonder who she means by Colonel Sheppard. (see I chuckled with a scene that had Carter, I'm making progress) And the third time when Ronon and John are in the jumper bay with Lorne and his men.


Well done FH. I'm proud of you that you didn't recall or FF! :P



The lack of Teyla starts to work on my nerves, and Ronon was pretty much forgotten as well. I hope this big Teyla-arc comes soon, cause Teyla is pretty much the only reason why I'm still watching this ship-wreck.
I liked her part in this episode, got whumper to which is always an added bonus, but for cryin' out loud stop forgetting about her until the very end.

Edit: I knew I was forgetting something.... Why is Carter running around like a civilian? If she's supposed to be military, she should at least be wearing the right outfit, and please leave that cleavage at home...



See, now I saw lots of Teyla stuff in this, she played an important part, giving info to Sam, helping Rodney, trying to convince Lorne who was good. Getting Rodney back on track, fighting with the guards.. so forgotten? Nope, not in this one. And Ronon was in lots of scenes, he mentioned about his childhood ailment went and helped get the medicines, offered his own blood, went back to check on Keller. ;) Contributed with the teams in rounding people up. Shot Shep, then did his runner bit, and convinced Shep not to shoot him. He had a great line of "That just never gets old!" :lol: So, again, sorry FH I don't think he was neglected at all
Also annoying was the dreamlike effect when we're watching the 'present' scenes... It added a little extra yes but it got a bit annoying towards the end.

FH you never mentioned anything about not enjoying the cleavage when it was on Teyla or Kate. ;)


How rude! Geez...

Just because the Athosians are a nomadic people doesn't necessarily mean that their culture is NOT advanced and/or civilized - and/or uneducated.

That's merely an assumption on your part.

(PS - Please reconsider any plans of joining the US State Dept. as a diplomat. The US has enough problems in that area already.)

I've always thought of Teyla to the Atlantis team as similar to Sacajawea and the Lewis & Clark Expedition. Sacajawea came from a totally different background, education, culture -- yet it was Sacajawea who many times saved the Lewis & Clark Expedition from certain death with her knowledge of the indigenous peoples, the terrain, and the local customs.

Morjana

Well said. Sometimes I think people who are not technicological advanced have nothing to offer. Given how long they've managed to survive in the PG, and the knowledge of the area, medicines, trading, friendship, honor, trust and integrity... hmmm maybe they were right and don't have anything to offer. :rolleyes:

majorsal
November 3rd, 2007, 04:48 PM
Gosh, I thought Sam was in uniform?!?!? I'll have to watch the episode again. I thought she had on the Atlantis pants and shirt, just not the jacket.


i actually thought that too. (strategically leaving off the jacket)



sally :)

Falcon Horus
November 3rd, 2007, 04:53 PM
Therefore, I suspect she is following the dress code rules that apply to the international Atlantis team members, not the U.S. Military. As Atlantis is an international project, perhaps TPTB thought it would be best that Sam wasn't dressed in a uniform that represents one country's military.

In that case she should stick to the Trek-uniform they're wearing these days.


I didn't even notice Sam's cleavage in this ep. But then again, I wasn't really looking in that general area. Did anyone else think it was too "in your face"? I also don't recall anyone complaining about Liz's cleavage in the past and her shirts were just as low cut as the one Sam wore in this ep.

On the first part... probably not since you all know I'm no Carter-fan so in my case it's probably 'in my face because it's Carter'...and the camera just happens to be on that particular level at the time. It'll probably be just me...

On the Weir-part...
Don't shoot me here... But as I recall correctly, there was only one time that Elizabeth's zipper went extremely low, and that was in Irresistable (the first of the two Irr-episodes).


Anyways, I'm afraid she can't "leave [it] at home" b/c it's part of her body and I don't see her getting breast reduction surgery anytime soon. ;)

That wasn't exactly what I meant, I meant it in the way as pull something on that doesn't show. If one could leave their assets at home on occasion, I know quite a few members of the female race who would be happy with that little less weight.


What gaping plot holes? I wondered about the codes to the brig, and maybe leaving Lorne out in the open... but gaping?

That's why I also mentioned that it could possibly be sorta part of the episode. I don't know. It was just a feeling...



Well done FH. I'm proud of you that you didn't recall or FF! :P

I FF through the intro, which doesn't always go well. And I edit Carter (and Keller) out, remember. Though I watch the entire episodes, and keep them too.


See, now I saw lots of Teyla stuff in this, she played an important part, giving info to Sam, helping Rodney, trying to convince Lorne who was good. Getting Rodney back on track, fighting with the guards.. so forgotten?

And I still felt it was not enough. She's a frakkin' main character with the amount of screentime reserved for secondaries such as Kate.


And Ronon was in lots of scenes, he mentioned about his childhood ailment went and helped get the medicines, offered his own blood, went back to check on Keller. ;) Contributed with the teams in rounding people up. Shot Shep, then did his runner bit, and convinced Shep not to shoot him. He had a great line of "That just never gets old!" :lol: So, again, sorry FH I don't think he was neglected at all

In the short amount of time they gave him time on screen, yes we did learn quite a bit. Yet, I still felt I was watching the Rodney McKay-show, with an added dose of Radek, a little bit Sheppard (he had to lay low after Travelers it seemed), some Keller and Carter to spice things up. And a pinch of Lorne.

Probably again just me...


FH you never mentioned anything about not enjoying the cleavage when it was on Teyla or Kate. ;)

Then you haven't been watching well. There was never any cleavage to be seen with Kate. And I do find Teyla's black T-shirt (which she wore in Sateda) one that she should toss out and never wear again...cause it's not doing her any good. Personally, I hope never to see that "thing" ever again. Not at all tasteful.

Also, I don't find AT to be particularly attractive, so maybe another reason why I find it to be ... in the way (can't think of another word for annoying).

Sarge300491
November 3rd, 2007, 04:55 PM
brilliant episode, i love the things their coming up with now, this just got you interested straight from the start, and i was worried katie was going to die at the end of the episode, although it was a bit odd how dr keller said she was fighting it, and like 2 seconds later katie wakes up and seems fine.

Yay4CarsonBeckett
November 3rd, 2007, 05:12 PM
Ok episode. This ep confirms it to me that I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO missing Beckett. Sorry, Keller's as charismatic as the fluff on the hospital beds.

I liked the story line and the dreamy like effect. Rodney, of course stole the show. I was a little bored in some places, probably muttering under my breath that the Carson/McKay banter was definitely needed.

Best line: Dex after shooting Sheppard ..he smiles and says "Never gets old".

I cracked up.

Oh and to add, congrats to Zach Selwyn. I guess doing a rap to get you on the show works!!! You did well ...now if only I could rap.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 05:14 PM
On the Weir-part...
Don't shoot me here... But as I recall correctly, there was only one time that Elizabeth's zipper went extremely low, and that was in Irresistable (the first of the two Irr-episodes).

I have to say it's not a thing I really notice to be honest. I know a few (if not all) of the women either have their jackets open or zipped just below bust level, but for me I think it's more to do with a comfort thing? *shrugs* Didn't Mr M say that it's up to the actors to decide about how far down the zips go... *tries not to think of Shep's flies being down*

Oh dear there really is no hope for me. :lol:





That wasn't exactly what I meant, I meant it in the way as pull something on that doesn't show. If one could leave their assets at home on occasion, I know quite a few members of the female race who would be happy with that little less weight.


How the heck do you leave your assets at home? Answers on a postcard please as I could do with the tips! Note I did say TIPS! The other I have plenty of thanks. :)




That's why I also mentioned that it could possibly be sorta part of the episode. I don't know. It was just a feeling...


Those two things were the only thing I spotted... well a friend spotted and I just went... "Oh yeah." :lol:



And I still felt it was not enough. She's a frakkin' main character with the amount of screentime reserved for secondaries such as Kate.

In the short amount of time they gave him time on screen, yes we did learn quite a bit. Yet, I still felt I was watching the Rodney McKay-show, with an added dose of Radek, a little bit Sheppard (he had to lay low after Travelers it seemed), some Keller and Carter to spice things up. And a pinch of Lorne.


I know, and a lot of people have said that she's been under utilised even TPTB have said (overtly or not I can't remember) But they have said certain characters need bringing to the foreground. I disagree that she wasn't used effectively in this, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. I know with Teyla's arc, there should be some really good stuff for her, which i'm looking forward to. I think this was very much a balanced ep, and I didn't think it was overtly heavy on McKay as some we've seen.




Then you haven't been watching well. There was never any cleavage to be seen with Kate. And I do find Teyla's black T-shirt (which she wore in Sateda) one that she should toss out and never wear again...cause it's not doing her any good. Personally, I hope never to see that "thing" ever again. Not at all tasteful.

Also, I don't find AT to be particularly attractive, so maybe another reason why I find it to be ... in the way (can't think of another word for annoying).

What?? No cleavage. FH have you not been paying close attention!

OT DG Pic - FH you might want to sit down before viewing. :lol:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/sga-4x04-1106.jpg

:P

Willow'sCat
November 3rd, 2007, 05:22 PM
*screams* It´s ZELENKA! He is there for almost four years, so I think it´s enough time to remember his name. :rolleyes:Aw, sweetie some folks don't care, can't spell or don't care to bother to check the spelling, it is nothing personal. ;)

I liked this episode, it did as Joe M referred to feel different from other SGA eps, which is a bit of a pity for Joe M because if this is a one off; then we go straight back to the "normal" SGA eps then what have they accomplished? :S They are just teasing us with how good the show could be only to throw up more mediocre eps in the remainder of the season. :cool: *shrugs*

Good things:

Keller was spot on, I was also glad Carter seemed (could be ATs acting) to almost doubt Keller when she praised her (in the scene with Sheppard) that to me rings true as Keller is not known to Carter the way she is to the rest of the TEAM and Keller still has to prove herself in many ways. But I think given what she was confronted with she did a great job, it was kind of sad to see her succumb to the virus by losing her memory like everyone else.

Carter was used well, she was not so front and centre, even when she was off finding Teyla with Rodney she still seemed to be somehow in the background. Understated. It was nice to see.

Sheppard, whom I have had loads of problems with was great here, LOL I really loved Ronon shooting him then tying him up. Been wanting to do that for ages myself! *ducks*

No he was good in this one.;)

Teyla, yay! She had a lot of dialogue, used it well and she saved the day in more ways then one. Honestly when was the last time Teyla really saved them? (yeah Ronon did the leg work but still...) And it was nice to see Ronon and Teyla talking/discussing things. So rare for that to happen on the show it stood out for me, even though it was very short. the same with the way Teyla talked with Rodney, although for me they have always had a good relationship. I think Rodney respects her even more then he is frightened of her. :D

Ronon. He was less moronic, I could actually understand him for a change. He also plays so well off Sheppard. They need more scenes where they talk to one and other instead of just shooting peeps. They have a unique friendship. ;)

Lorne was great! I do love Lorne, I think the whole military "them v us" wouldn't have worked without Lorne in this episode. As a viewer I trust Lorne so I knew it was the virus and not Lorne thinking those things, there were a few times when I really was suspending disbelief, no one was killed by the military? All the guns remained on stun? Yeah right that seems like the military I know and distrust in the RW. :cool::rolleyes: Whatever they are in space if I can buy that...

Radek ZELENKA, Dr :P was brilliantly used. He was just the right character to use in that situation and David N did a great job as usual.

Rodney McKAY, Dr :D what can I say, David Hewlett once again proved to me why I am still watching this show after 3 season of wasted opportunities. He is the only reason for me to watch, when the bad plots, the pathetic excuse for dialogue and some questionable development or lack thereof is all there seems to be to SGA now. Along comes Mr Hewlett *g* with his brilliant take on scenes, his ability to make drivel seem like Shakespeare... well Oscar Wilde anyway :D I just love this character to death!

Bad things: Katie Brown. *sigh* Back to the FF button. I was so hoping Weir leaving had ended that. :(

And the whole military thing of no shootings/deaths still seems unrealistic to me.

Falcon Horus
November 3rd, 2007, 05:27 PM
*tries not to think of Shep's flies being down*

Oh dear there really is no hope for me. :lol:

*snort* Knowing thyself is the beginning of all wisdom. :p


How the heck do you leave your assets at home? Answers on a postcard please as I could do with the tips! Note I did say TIPS! The other I have plenty of thanks. :)

How should I know? I don't have any issues with that particular part of my body. So, sorry, can't help you there.



Those two things were the only thing I spotted... well a friend spotted and I just went... "Oh yeah." :lol:

See, now you have me all confused... :S


I know with Teyla's arc, there should be some really good stuff for her, which i'm looking forward to.

It better happen sooner than later then...


What?? No cleavage. FH have you not been paying close attention!

OT DG Pic - FH you might want to sit down before viewing. :lol:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/sga-4x04-1106.jpg

:P

*muffled inward talking to self*

Yes, that... That was cleavage I guess.... And frak, that didn't go unnoticed on second viewing (not so much on first, which Carter's did) by yours truly. I'm probably a lost cause on that too... Don't even dare answer that!

But she never had shirt-cleavage. I wonder who choose that particular night outfit. *ponders*

beneaththeblue
November 3rd, 2007, 06:04 PM
After the preview of the new episode, it shows a pic of the shows and times. You can ask anyone here who watched the ep live, probably saw it also. :)

Thanks to you and Gate Gal for clearing that up. I actually watched it live twice, and just didn't catch that at all. Good news! I wonder what season they will be showing?

Briangate78
November 3rd, 2007, 06:13 PM
Thanks to you and Gate Gal for clearing that up. I actually watched it live twice, and just didn't catch that at all. Good news! I wonder what season they will be showing?

It would seem it is a reair of the previous Season 4 SGA ep. Which next week, the 9pm slot would be Tabula Rasa. Morjana posted that in this thread, it was listed on TV guide.

It's good because the show will make more money for the network hopefully, being in two time slots.

Melora
November 3rd, 2007, 06:23 PM
In that case she should stick to the Trek-uniform they're wearing these days.

Mystery solved. Sam was wearing her Atlantis uniform in the episode. She was just not wearing her jacket (something Weir often went without as well).

Doppelganger:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9027/sgadoppelganger221fq7.jpg

Doppelganger cap courtesy of Jenny J

Tabula Rasa:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8496/tabularasa2zw0.jpg


If you look carefully, you will see her grey pants are the same in both pictures, as is the shirt. The only difference is that she is not wearing the jacket in the picture from TR.

And frankly, Sam's shirt is not really much lower cut or tighter than some of the t-shirts Elizabeth wore in seasons 2+3. But I don't have a problem with cleavage or lack of cleavage in general. http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8951/return10034io9.jpg

Mack_1
November 3rd, 2007, 06:26 PM
The Carpenter
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Carpenter ?
Brillient, did anyone else spot the picture of Teal'c in Sam's office? thought it was a nice touch! Now where is she hiding that picture of Daniel?

Also Daniel's photo is in her office, its in the scene when Dr K. Tells Sam there is a quarantine situation in the infirmary, watch Sam's shot, his photo is on the right side ?
Jack’s photo is next to Tealc’s .

FoolishPleasure
Why did Rodney put Teyla's pic on his computer instead of Ronon? Because Ronon had gone to the mainland and by that time, Rodney probably forgot he even existed, plus Teyla had been next to him the whole time - got chased by the soldiers and Rodney still remembered that she was important.

Why did I like Teyla here, but not previously? Probably because we've seen so much of Teyla just standing around as window dressing, or swinging sticks, or trying to be leaderly while wearing an "I Dream of Jeannie" outfit (like I'm going to take THAT seriously). Here we saw her in REAL clothing that looked nice on her, and we saw her treating an obviously confused Rodney with patience, respect, and maturity that we rarely see in her.
Yeap! each of them took a roll on covering the other’s back, cause they were the only ones not forgetting what was happening to their fellow comrades.

Luvstarsg8sg 1
I liked this episode but why do they always bring every storyline back to rodney? This could have been a perfect time to add some depth to teylas and Ronons characters. I love the show and will watch till the end but having rodney as the center of EVERY plot is frustrating.

CARTER IS SMARTER THAN RODNEY LET HER BE A SCIENTIST!!
Just because she is incharge doesnt mean she cant do anything!!
Since Rodney is the far more scientist on the Atlantis expedition it’s on his hands to deal with this kind of situations, he got in charge of the project cause is his job to do, since Sheppard had to go to the mainland to find the plant, taking Ronon with him so Ronon could help him on remembering what he is doing. Same thing with Teyla and Rodney, he explain to her what was he going to do to distribute the “medicine” plant to all the ones affected by the illness, Carter can’t take Mckay’s place, she was dealing with what was going on in the city and her roll there is as a leader not scientist, but I would love to see her doing her old stuff.
IMO Carter and Rodney had strong "smarterness" in diferent ways, they both know what they are doing, only diference is Mckay some times gets anoying with his attitude.


Callie
Was that really a photo of Teal'c?! My (cough)<snip>(cough) wasn't very high quality this time but I didn't think it was him - I wondered if it was a young picture of Jacob Carter. But if she's got a photo of Daniel as well, perhaps it is Teal'c.

Yes it is but..Didn’t any body notice the one of Jack? It is next to Teal’c’s, he has a black suit and bow tie on.


Funnyquote
Ronon: You can fly this thing is in your blood…literally
Sheppard: Shepp looks at him like what?

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 06:27 PM
i would say, cleavage wise, take a look at the ladies in the sigs here. Heck, take a look at the cap of both vala and sam in melora's sig. It's not unreasonable, nor is it what i would personally consider unreasonable or unprofessional.

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 06:28 PM
I know. I almost cried when Carson died, especially the last scene with him and Rodney. Kellers filled his shoes pretty good, I've almost forgot Carson. Almost..

And I'm not ashamed of admitting that! :P

Me either mabey though we both now need to hide. ;)

majorsal
November 3rd, 2007, 06:29 PM
Tabula Rasa:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8496/tabularasa2zw0.jpg




thanks for solving the mystery, melora. :)

as for this lovely pic; what part of the ep was this from?




sally :D

Falcon Horus
November 3rd, 2007, 06:31 PM
Mystery solved. Sam was wearing her Atlantis uniform in the episode. She was just not wearing her jacket (something Weir often went without as well).

Yeah, if that's the case she's now wearing that ugly black T-shirt they had Teyla wearing in season 3... as I said, get rid of it...



And frankly, Sam's shirt is not really much lower cut or tighter than some of the t-shirts Elizabeth wore in seasons 2+3. But I don't have a problem with cleavage or lack of cleavage in general. http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8951/return10034io9.jpg

I don't exactly call that cleavage. And in comparison to that picture, yes Carter's is far lower. My view on cleavage is when it's low down below. Maybe I just have a problem with this sexing up... (also possible of course, I don't know) And then they will say... "Hey, but what about Teyla showing off her assets and whatnot!" ... Well, I find Rachel attractive, and Amanda by far not. See, it's taste... and I think we should leave it at.

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 06:31 PM
i think it's a behind the scenes photo

Skydiver
November 3rd, 2007, 06:34 PM
I really don't get the difference between a bit of cleavage and teyla's tummy hanging out in her tank tops.

Melora
November 3rd, 2007, 06:35 PM
thanks for solving the mystery, melora. :)

as for this lovely pic; what part of the ep was this from?




sally :D

It was one of the episode stills from MGM I believe, so I don't know exactly what part of the ep it comes from. It looks like it was taken in the mess hall after they have converted into the temporary infirmary. I don't have any screencaps of this ep yet.

WingedPegasus
November 3rd, 2007, 06:36 PM
And yea! lots of Teyla in this ep. Including one great little fight scene. BTW, who is RL's stunt double? that fall and slide across the corridor when Teyla is stunned by Lorne's men was wicked.


I'm a little late, but . . . Lani Gelera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1470339/) is Rachel's stunt double.

Mitchell82
November 3rd, 2007, 06:36 PM
The one in the red frame is Cassie, Janet's daughter. Daniel is to the lefte of her.. so to speak. :lol:
Ok so who's in the middle?




What gaping plot holes? I wondered about the codes to the brig, and maybe leaving Lorne out in the open... but gaping?
I didn't think that was a plot hole though. Mckay obviously thought he might need that bit of info, so he did what I did for my math tests. ;)








See, now I saw lots of Teyla stuff in this, she played an important part, giving info to Sam, helping Rodney, trying to convince Lorne who was good. Getting Rodney back on track, fighting with the guards.. so forgotten? Nope, not in this one.
Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if he just makes up stuff to complain about.

And Ronon was in lots of scenes, he mentioned about his childhood ailment went and helped get the medicines, offered his own blood, went back to check on Keller. ;) Contributed with the teams in rounding people up. Shot Shep, then did his runner bit, and convinced Shep not to shoot him. He had a great line of "That just never gets old!" :lol: So, again, sorry FH I don't think he was neglected at all
Agreed both Ronon and Teyla had signifigant roles in this one.

Also annoying was the dreamlike effect when we're watching the 'present' scenes... It added a little extra yes but it got a bit annoying towards the end.
Hmm I see your point but I disagree. It made sense and wasn't that hard to follow and I don't think it would have been as exciting if played straight through.


FH you never mentioned anything about not enjoying the cleavage when it was on Teyla or Kate. ;)
Probably because he didn't mind it like me.:o




Well said. Sometimes I think people who are not technicological advanced have nothing to offer. Given how long they've managed to survive in the PG, and the knowledge of the area, medicines, trading, friendship, honor, trust and integrity... hmmm maybe they were right and don't have anything to offer. :rolleyes:
Sarcasam? You? Well I never!;)

Falcon Horus
November 3rd, 2007, 06:36 PM
I really don't get the difference between a bit of cleavage and teyla's tummy hanging out in her tank tops.

Then I guess, there's no longer a problem... I already explained myself. I'm sure someone else can give you a better solution or idea.

I stick to what I see and like. And Carter's not it. Point finale!! (<- that's French for "final stop", the closest translation as I can get it)

Melora
November 3rd, 2007, 06:40 PM
Yeah, if that's the case she's now wearing that ugly black T-shirt they had Teyla wearing in season 3... as I said, get rid of it...

I don't exactly call that cleavage. And in comparison to that picture, yes Carter's is far lower. My view on cleavage is when it's low down below. Maybe I just have a problem with this sexing up... (also possible of course, I don't know) And then they will say... "Hey, but what about Teyla showing off her assets and whatnot!" ... Well, I find Rachel attractive, and Amanda by far not. See, it's taste... and I think we should leave it at.


So it is more the fact that you find Sam unattractive than the actual revealing of skin. Fair enough. I still don't see how Sam's shirt is much more revealing than Elizabeth's. To me, Liz's tight red t-shirt shows off a lot more than Sam's does. But I guess it is just a matter of perspective. As you say, perhaps we should leave it at that. :)

majorsal
November 3rd, 2007, 06:44 PM
I'm a little late, but . . . Lani Gelera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1470339/) is Rachel's stunt double.

that scene where teyla was shot (in the back! :() was very well done. her skidding to a stop was awesome and disburbing at the same time.



sally :)

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 06:58 PM
Mystery solved. Sam was wearing her Atlantis uniform in the episode. She was just not wearing her jacket (something Weir often went without as well).

Doppelganger:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9027/sgadoppelganger221fq7.jpg

Doppelganger cap courtesy of Jenny J

Tabula Rasa:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8496/tabularasa2zw0.jpg


If you look carefully, you will see her grey pants are the same in both pictures, as is the shirt. The only difference is that she is not wearing the jacket in the picture from TR.

And frankly, Sam's shirt is not really much lower cut or tighter than some of the t-shirts Elizabeth wore in seasons 2+3. But I don't have a problem with cleavage or lack of cleavage in general. http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8951/return10034io9.jpg
Certainly confirms my belief that those are horribly inefficient uniforms...and stupid looking too. If they are going to be stupid looking they could at least be functional.

AGateFan
November 3rd, 2007, 07:00 PM
I really don't get the difference between a bit of cleavage and teyla's tummy hanging out in her tank tops.
I think in this case its the same difference as being hit on by a good looking person and being hit on by a ugly person. Sometimes if people are hit on by a good looking person its a complement, if the same circumstances exist and its an ugly person the hit-on-ee could consider it "harrassment".

Atlantis1
November 3rd, 2007, 07:03 PM
CARTER IS SMARTER THAN RODNEY LET HER BE A SCIENTIST!!
Just because she is incharge doesnt mean she cant do anything!!
:sam:


The problem with this is Carter doesn't have time to be the scientist. She has the responsibility of the whole expedition to take care of.

I read in some posts she was being more like Weir. That is because she has those same responsibilities. A leader listens to those under them to figure what to do about a situation. I didn't want her on Atlantis but will admit she is fitting in nicely.

Jeyla4ever
November 3rd, 2007, 07:09 PM
I don't think it's the best of this season by far, but it was a good episode. For me, I thought it would go more fast paced, and have more suspense. It was a bit predictable, but it was still interesting. If it wasn't that I"m spoiled to death by this season, I thought that Katie had made it to the death roll as well..*wink*

Loooved Teyla, but then again, I think she's phenominal. Loved John in this one. At times he seemed really off, but I think that was the whole point! *duh*

Great, great acting by Joe Flanigan, again.

Ronon was interesting in this one as well and he got to do so much more than his usual sitting back cause he knows no science. Which was extremely pleasant to see.

John and Ronon's PJ moment, PRICELESS! True meaning of their friendship and I thought it was very well done.

Overall favorite...Teyla kicked some major military ass...woohooo! she got to keep Rodney level headed and she saved the day! WOHOOOO!

Very good episode. I still thought it would have more action ....I don't know..something was definetely missing. Still a good sign of what's yet to come!

prion
November 3rd, 2007, 07:26 PM
So it is more the fact that you find Sam unattractive than the actual revealing of skin. Fair enough. I still don't see how Sam's shirt is much more revealing than Elizabeth's. To me, Liz's tight red t-shirt shows off a lot more than Sam's does. But I guess it is just a matter of perspective. As you say, perhaps we should leave it at that. :)

Everybody's got different perception, but cleavage is basically 'out' if you're a professional in an office. In ohter words, the cut of the cloth should end before you start seeing the division, er, line, whatever. At one point Sam was in that territory. Weir did it once but that when she was with Lucius and hopped up on that herb ;)

Best line of dialogue: "This never gets old". Ronon, right after he stuns Sheppard.

Pegasus_SGA
November 3rd, 2007, 07:32 PM
Everybody's got different perception, but cleavage is basically 'out' if you're a professional in an office. In ohter words, the cut of the cloth should end before you start seeing the division, er, line, whatever. At one point Sam was in that territory. Weir did it once but that when she was with Lucius and hopped up on that herb ;)

Best line of dialogue: "This never gets old". Ronon, right after he stuns Sheppard.

Really? Cleavage is out if you're a professional? Are you pulling my leg again Prion? I don't know where you got that from, but the only time my cleavage gets covered up is if it's against the laws and customs of another country, so I totally disagree with you on that, and that's professionally speaking. :D Besides Trinny and Suzanne told me I should never cover them up, because i'd look like a hefalump! And I do a good enough job on my own without adding to that misfortune. :lol:

Anjirika
November 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM
I gotta say, next to lifeline this is my favorite episode by far. It was engaging and had twists and I loved the Rodney/Katie scenes. Espeically the last one in the infirmary. They are so sweet! ^_^ Now, if the rest of the episodes could be this good then I think that a season 5 is well deserved- provided of course that Weir and Beckett come back.

Mattathias2.0
November 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM
Hefalump = bad
Trinny and Suzanne = good

Melora
November 3rd, 2007, 08:19 PM
Everybody's got different perception, but cleavage is basically 'out' if you're a professional in an office. In ohter words, the cut of the cloth should end before you start seeing the division, er, line, whatever. At one point Sam was in that territory. Weir did it once but that when she was with Lucius and hopped up on that herb ;)

Best line of dialogue: "This never gets old". Ronon, right after he stuns Sheppard.


I consider myself a professional and I often wear tops that are lower than the one Sam wore in this ep. Does that make me unprofessional? If so, I know a lot of women out there violating this unspoken dress code you speak of.

I agree everyone has a different perception and some will not like what a character wears just b/c they dislike the character. That's fine. But their perception is based more on their personal feelings towards the character than on reality. I looked through a lot of screen caps from the episode just now, and I haven't seen one cap of Sam where the "division" is clearly apparent. But as you say, it was only at one point so I might have missed it. From the way some people are talking about this, you would think her breasts were hanging out of her blouse and she was shoving them in everyone's face. And I'm sorry, that is just not the case.

BTW - Liz has worn at least one other top that showed the "division" and it was in "Underground" not "Irresistible." So it seems to me the only time the "division" is a problem is when the fan who is being critical doesn't like the character in question.

cavalierlwt
November 3rd, 2007, 08:27 PM
Re-watched the episode. I have to agree with the other posters, it was good to see Ronon using his brain in a non-combat situation, and good to see Teyla being kind of scientific with Rodney--her question regarding pi and that he's a scientist, he'll remember his tech stuff the longest. She smartly stayed engaged with him through his thought processes rather than remaining out of the loop because she doesn't understand programming and such.
So including John having the foresight to take his own pic and give it lorne, we have:
Zelenka being crafty and evasive--even a little violent
Teyla, Ronon, John being smart, logical, clever
Rodney being romantic

Nice change of pace and showing other facets to the characters.

atlantis_babe34
November 3rd, 2007, 11:12 PM
Great Episode.

The start confused me a bit, but the Shep/Ronan parts were uber great!:D

The end scene was so cute!:D

morjana
November 3rd, 2007, 11:59 PM
Mystery solved. Sam was wearing her Atlantis uniform in the episode. She was just not wearing her jacket (something Weir often went without as well).



Thank you for that.

HOWEVER, I did notice on the fourth viewing of the episode, that Sam is not wearing her dogtags.

That's kind of...odd.

Also, in the temporary infirmary in the mess hall, there were Marines mixed in with the civilians. And when the civilians jumped Lorne at mess hall, Lorne and the boys had a female SF in custody they were bringing to the mess hall for holding, so it wasn't JUST civilians in the mess hall.

Morjana

morjana
November 4th, 2007, 12:17 AM
Certainly confirms my belief that those are horribly inefficient uniforms...and stupid looking too. If they are going to be stupid looking they could at least be functional.

Okay, I bite.

How are they not functional as uniforms?

Morjana