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October 15th, 2007, 05:04 PM
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With the "Nightmare Man" coming for him, Bob tells Parkman that he is the only one who can stop the enemy. In the near future, Peter and Caitlin discover that a virus has wiped out most of the world's population. West discovers that Claire's father is the one who abducted him, and Hiro has one final chance to set history right after his own hero betrays him.

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Xicer
November 5th, 2007, 07:07 PM
Kensei = Adam, saw that coming but its nice to finally know. And him with Peter? Hmm interesting. On the subject of Peter, does he have all of his memories back now? I wasn't sure.

Glad to see Hiro back in our regular time. So I guess DL is one of Nikki's personalities now or something? And yep, we were right again, Adam is controlling Matt's father. And now we know for sure that the virus that was spread was indeed the Shanti virus.

Good episode overall, this season seems to definitely be picking up more and more after each episode. Too bad it might be shortened due to the writer's strike.

the fifth man
November 5th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Kensei = Adam, saw that coming but its nice to finally know. And him with Peter? Hmm interesting. On the subject of Peter, does he have all of his memories back now? I wasn't sure.

Glad to see Hiro back in our regular time. So I guess DL is one of Nikki's personalities now or something? And yep, we were right again, Adam is controlling Matt's father. And now we know for sure that the virus that was spread was indeed the Shanti virus.

Good episode overall, this season seems to definitely be picking up more and more after each episode. Too bad it might be shortened due to the writer's strike.

I kind of saw the Adam thing coming too, but still, it was cool. Him with Peter should definitely be interesting.

Definitely nice to see Hiro back in our time. Especially now that he's back with his buddy Ando.:)

As for DL, I don't think he's one of her personalities. I think Matt's Dad was making her see DL, to turn her into a weapon for him.

Overall, a very strong episode. The pace has definitely picked up on the season now. As for the writer's strike, that does suck.:( Personally, I'm hoping for a quick resolution.

Ruined_puzzle
November 5th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Am I the only one thinking Adam=Claire's dad. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking in my part.

Lady Snow
November 5th, 2007, 08:03 PM
Am I the only one thinking Adam=Claire's dad. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking in my part.

No, I tossed it about for a little bit. The part that made me question it is Matt having Maury's power - maybe it runs in the family. But then I thought about Micah, Niki and DL and realized it doesn't necessarily run in the family. It'd be interesting but unlikely. Besides... I like Claire as Nathan's daughter better. :)

Matt was awesome, BTW. I love his character growth and the pace of it.

Iguana775
November 5th, 2007, 08:13 PM
Wow, I didnt really see Kensei=Adam. Guess I didnt really think about it much. At first, when I saw the burnt hand, I thought it might be Peter from the future.

I guess we now know why Adam is getting his revenge on the world.

So, I guess unless someone cuts Claire's head off, she'll live forever? Highlander anyone? lol.

Great episode though. the best of the year. I loved how Claire finally stepped up to her dad. I also liked that west left. man, his character was annoying.

I be the outbreak in the future is caused from the mutated virus. :D Saw that coming.

It will be interesting to see how the relationship between Peter and Adam is. Are they friends? Coworkers? enemies?

Also, not dissapointed we didnt see Sylar and the twins.

No Monica and Micah though. :(

Trek_Girl42
November 5th, 2007, 08:28 PM
Best of the season for sure. Saw Adam coming, but yay! The Hiro/Kensei story ties into the here and now! About time! I'm looking forward to seeing Kensei with the rest of our heroes.

Also, West. Claire. Please just forget about him. HRG is awesome, stick with him. Peter separated from irish girl- also awesome. More Matt! Yay!

Don't like Mohinder being turned against HRG so quickly though.

And as much as I like Monica and her power, this episode went a lot better without either of the storylines involving mostly new characters. :)

And the moment when Hiro was all happy to see Ando and put on his glasses and was all excited! Best moment of the season methinks. But then to hear his dad died.....Poor Hiro. :(

Want Elle back though. Soon.

Ace
November 5th, 2007, 08:50 PM
I think I prefer the good Kensei over the bad Kensei.... I guess we'll see where it takes the story. Overall I have enjoyed these past two episodes more than the previous... it's nice to finally start getting some of the bigger picture of what is going on "arc" wise.

Ace

SaberBlade
November 5th, 2007, 09:56 PM
I'm liking bad Kensei.

Unfortunately I did find this episode somewhat predictable. I figured Kensi would pull some sort of Wolverine and end up staying young because of his healing powers. I also figured out that he'd be Adam (which should be fun since Hiro returned and it sort of adds to this "i'll take everything you love" line since he's responsible for his father's death. I also figured out that Hiro would turn out to be Kensei.

Yet despite all this I liked the episode. Shame they left the irish lass to diesase infected future.

silence
November 5th, 2007, 09:59 PM
i really didn't see Adam=Kensei. When the camp blew, i thought they'll drag the ancient Japan story more and later i just didn't think about it much ... so i was really surprised when he showed in that warehouse ....

I love this season .... stories are coming together much sooner then last season and whole pace is much faster .... after 7 episodes we are deep into everything ... can't wait to see what direction will this take ... and reunion between Hiro and Kensei, that will be something ...

I also never expected that underlaying story for this season will be as epic as this, which brings up one interesting question -> How many kids did Adam/Kensei have over time? Are all heroes his lineage? He had time to do it .... 400 years?

Phenix
November 5th, 2007, 10:57 PM
I honeslty can not understand how you people did not see the Adam and Kensei connection. Kensei was even in the previews saying hello to somoene. I thought it was obvious.

My out on the limb guess is that the virus mutates again in Claire and becomes a pandemic.

Overall I think it was a great epsidode and I LOVED when Kensei called Hiro weak. Hiro is one of my least favorite characeters. I never really warmed up to him but I know that a TON of people disagree with me.

I'd like to know how Adam was controlling Matt's dad. You would think that Matt's dad would be nearly impossible to control by anyone who does not have his mental abilities.

Did anyone else love that they finally revealed a part of Mrs. Petrellii's power? I knew it was a mental gift but its great that Peter has his memory back or at least the parts that matter.

alaskannut
November 5th, 2007, 11:31 PM
OK, I admit this..I called the Kensei-as-murderer angle after the first episode, and I suspected that he would turn out to be Adam...but still, when he stepped out into the field of view and identified himself...*whew*...Sylar move over...the REAL bad*** has entered the building!:D

But I do have to say...I am getting tired of Claire...I mean, I know she is a blond teenaged girl and all, but COME ON now is NOT the time for a snit( especially when even she recognized that what they did was stupid and dangerous)

All in all though, 6/5....It is good to have the old Heroes back:D:D

IcyNeko
November 6th, 2007, 12:22 AM
i really didn't see Adam=Kensei. When the camp blew, i thought they'll drag the ancient Japan story more and later i just didn't think about it much ... so i was really surprised when he showed in that warehouse ....
I saw that one coming a mile away, but I was hoping that they'd do a better job and surprise me. Didn't take a writing strike to suck that hope right up.

If Adam is the progenitor of the heroes line... then I predict that Claire will solve Adam. And that Maya y Alejandro will cause the ratings to plummet into submission.

nekoi
November 6th, 2007, 01:12 AM
This episode was predictable for those who pay super close attention, but was probably by far the best episode of the season.

Hiro's storyline has gotten really epic and took a nice turn-- I can't wait to see what happens next.

Claire's plot is still dull, although I hope it goes somewhere good soon, since West is now freaked out. I still think he's a spy for the company, though. The best part about their scenes today was the Mr. Muggles cameo.

I'm glad they got the Matt-Daddy storyline pretty much done with-- they didn't stretch it out, so hopefully we can get onto the more interesting storylines.

Hypochondriac
November 6th, 2007, 06:15 AM
Nice episode, was right about the virus being the shanti strain. My bet it that Claire doesn't offer a cure. Cellular regeneration is a bit different from a strong immune system. What happens is she doesn't get sick. Her regeneration keeps her cells from dying but do nothing to kill the virus

My bet is that they will have to save Alejandro, syler wants to kill him. As much as I hate he Alejandro character I betting it's his power that will cure the mutated strain.

Adam is still evil?? Man can that guy hold a grudge. You would think after a few hundred years you would forgive.

To me it looked like bob already knew Surachi and HRG were together and was just suprised he admitted it.

s09119
November 6th, 2007, 06:16 AM
Positives:
+ Matt-Maury arc is wrapped up. Interesting as it was, I was ready for the showdown.
+ Claire and HRG finally break. I've been waiting for that for so long now, especially after the way he continually treats her like she's beneath him.
+ Molly's awake!
+ Both Peter and Hiro are back in the present, and Peter has at least some of his memories and abilities back (knows how to use them, anyway).
+ Adam=Kensei was cool, especially that scene of him catching Peter's lightning on his hand. For a second, I thought he was going to pull an "Attack of the Clones" Yoda and fling it back at him.
+ West and HRG come into contact. You could really see the terror in West's eyes, too. I honestly think this explains why he can act so obsessive towards Claire sometimes; he doesn't trust anyone after the whole HRG abduction, and he just wants to make sure he doesn't lose this one friend he really has.
+ Seeing Niki go psycho was pretty cool.
+ We saw 2 or 3 of the Series of Eight get resolved in one episode!
- And the big one: how on Earth are they gonna stop this new Dark Future?

Negatives:
- Niki might die, and now she's powerless.
- Mohinder turned on HRG that fast? Please...
- Caitlin is stuck in the Alternate Dark Future! I really liked her, and you could almost feel the despair rolling off Peter when he accidentally jumped back to 2007.
- No Sylar, Monica, or Micah...
- Some of the dialogue was a bit... bad.
- Maury had been built up into this terrifying bad guy, but he seemed pretty weak here.


Overall, an amazing episode, one of the best this season. And next week looks even better.

Archaeis
November 6th, 2007, 07:24 AM
At least now we finally know where the logo comes from for certain, too. Adam has been using it all along. I don't think that he has been holding a grudge all this time though. Bob seemed to think that Adam had good intentions at the beginning of the Company. And Kaito was involved without incident, even when Hiro was born. I think that after finding others with powers, Adam became drunk with power. Over the prior 400 years, he had probably cooled off from Hiro's whole betrayal.

I think it's odd that the virus exists in the future now, but there had been no mention of it in Five Years Gone. It's not like the New York incident and the development of a mutant virus would have any effect on each other.

Also curious, just how powerful could Adam really be? So he has a healing ability. Claire has it. Peter has it and a bunch more. Sylar (with power) could easily kill him. Unless he can control elements like Bob hinted at, Adam is not all that big of a threat.

s09119
November 6th, 2007, 07:39 AM
At least now we finally know where the logo comes from for certain, too. Adam has been using it all along. I don't think that he has been holding a grudge all this time though. Bob seemed to think that Adam had good intentions at the beginning of the Company. And Kaito was involved without incident, even when Hiro was born. I think that after finding others with powers, Adam became drunk with power. Over the prior 400 years, he had probably cooled off from Hiro's whole betrayal.

I think it's odd that the virus exists in the future now, but there had been no mention of it in Five Years Gone. It's not like the New York incident and the development of a mutant virus would have any effect on each other.

Also curious, just how powerful could Adam really be? So he has a healing ability. Claire has it. Peter has it and a bunch more. Sylar (with power) could easily kill him. Unless he can control elements like Bob hinted at, Adam is not all that big of a threat.

Has it occured to anyone that maybe Adam doesn't have cellular regeneration? Maybe he has empathic mimicry, which would explain why Bob showed Nathan an article on strange weather; Adam took regeneration from some evolved human in the past, gained weather manipulation sometime, and absorbed space-time manipulation from Hiro, allowing him to jump to the present (explaining his appearance).

And has anyone else noticed a small descrepency? The future guy said that the first outbreak of the Shanti Virus was reported on March 20, 2007, but not viral outbreak was reported last season (the only possibility would be Molly, but her case wasn't reported to anyone outside of the Company).

MarshAngel
November 6th, 2007, 07:51 AM
Also curious, just how powerful could Adam really be? So he has a healing ability. Claire has it. Peter has it and a bunch more. Sylar (with power) could easily kill him. Unless he can control elements like Bob hinted at, Adam is not all that big of a threat.

You mean he's not a big "physical" threat. Of all the people on the planet who are considered powerful, none of them are gifted with anything more than wits and cash. Adam has had time, lots of time, to get cash, to influence governments and build empires. He is one of the earliest known people with an ability, which gives him one up on every hero who only just discovered they were special.

If someone told me they were 200+ years old, I'd trust they knew a few things more than me. That combined with natural charisma gives you power to convince people do what you want. He doesn't need physical power really... just charm and money.

Archaeis
November 6th, 2007, 07:52 AM
So far, regeneration has been the only power that he has shown, so we have to assume that it's the only one he has until we know further. It's doubtful that he's been time travelling though, since he was involved continuously in the company for many years.

MmmmMcKAy
November 6th, 2007, 08:25 AM
Good episode. So many big things happened. The whole plague storyline was fleshed out quite a bit.
Of course, Kensei being Adam was the big "Whoa" moment.
Looks like it's Mohinder, not West, who's supposed to kill HRG.

I'm glad that Matt "took care" of his creepy father and Molly came out of everything okay.

Also glad that Nathan now knows that Peter is alive.

Poor Hiro getting the news of his father's death as soon as he gets back to the present.:( But at least he's back with Ando, his partner in crime.;):)

I actually didn't mind Niki too much for once.

IcyNeko
November 6th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Has it occured to anyone that maybe Adam doesn't have cellular regeneration? Maybe he has empathic mimicry, which would explain why Bob showed Nathan an article on strange weather; Adam took regeneration from some evolved human in the past, gained weather manipulation sometime, and absorbed space-time manipulation from Hiro, allowing him to jump to the present (explaining his appearance).

Good catch. This could very well be! Hence why Claude would refer to Peter as "another one of those". So now Adam has every power Peter has. Charming.

Wait.. given the inheritance factor... could this mean that Peter's father is really.... Adam? They were all part of the special team from before, and Angela has slept around quite a bit...

s09119
November 6th, 2007, 09:11 AM
Good catch. This could very well be! Hence why Claude would refer to Peter as "another one of those". So now Adam has every power Peter has. Charming.

Yeah, Claude was another reason that seems all the more plausible. He only said "another one of those" after Peter explained exactly what his power was, indicating another empath had crossed paths with him sometime.

If that empath was Adam, it would make perfect sense; Adam was a member of the Company in the past, probably around the time Claude himself was.


Wait.. given the inheritance factor... could this mean that Peter's father is really.... Adam? They were all part of the special team from before, and Angela has slept around quite a bit...

Now that would just be scary... Peter, meet your daddy; the man who wants to kill you all.

IcyNeko
November 6th, 2007, 11:07 AM
That battle would be truly epic. And.... what if it ended in Sylar taking his power back through Adam?

Oh crap, should I use spoiler tags? Because the series is just that predictable this season.

SaberBlade
November 6th, 2007, 12:09 PM
If Matt's powers could evolve, then who's to say Adam's powers couldn't as well. It's quite possible that Sylar is just small potatoes compared to Adam. I dont really see Sylar being all that bad, as he's not providing towards the big evil that seems to constantly happen in the future.

If anything Sylar should heal by killing Claire. Her make out seasons, wow exciting tv. If anything, HRG should tell her the truth about him being killed by West instead of forcing us to watch a teen drama.

Trek_Girl42
November 6th, 2007, 01:23 PM
OK, I admit this..I called the Kensei-as-murderer angle after the first episode, and I suspected that he would turn out to be Adam...but still, when he stepped out into the field of view and identified himself...*whew*...Sylar move over...the REAL bad*** has entered the building!:D
I absolutely agree. As predictable as it was, it was still a great moment- the execution was perfect. I was sure excited when he stepped out from behind that screen. :D

I sure hope this is a sign of the season picking up- we've got one less branched off storyline now, which is good and hopefully a few more will converge soon. We've had no Sylar + twins for a couple of weeks, so hopefully they've made it to New York in the interim. :) I'm also looking forward to lots of Hiro and Ando back together- hopefully they'll make it back to the U.S. soon. :D

tombombadil
November 6th, 2007, 01:34 PM
using process of elimination (assuming adam isn't an empath) we can deduce that angela's power is to manipulate the wheather, she seems like the type who would make it snow in miami

IcyNeko
November 6th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Or it could be power reversal. THe Haitian removed Peter's memories, and Angela reversed that. Considering Bob's comment that the tsunami could have been the result seems to indicate that Angela averted Adam's powers.

And since Adam's only shown power is healing, you can't cause weather anomalies by healing yourself. :P

The only process of elimination results in Adam being an empath.

s09119
November 6th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Or it could be power reversal. THe Haitian removed Peter's memories, and Angela reversed that. Considering Bob's comment that the tsunami could have been the result seems to indicate that Angela averted Adam's powers.

And since Adam's only shown power is healing, you can't cause weather anomalies by healing yourself. :P

The only process of elimination results in Adam being an empath.

So far, it really seems that way. Why else would Bob show Nathan that, coupled with a few lines about how dangerous and pwoerful Adam is, unless the two were connected? And then it only makes sense if Adam could actually carry out that tsunami thing in the first place, which implies a power greater than simple regeneration.

tombombadil
November 6th, 2007, 04:27 PM
i think icyneko might be on to something with the power reversal theory, good call.
oh and i really don't think this myself but i know there's been a lot of confusion about it, if mohinder's immunity to the virus is a power, and not just his father's doing, that would meen that peter (and possibly adam) are/is immune

IcyNeko
November 6th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Adam's power is to be a pain in the butt. :D

Agent_Dark
November 7th, 2007, 01:08 AM
What was up with the change in the title screen? It was a green flare instead of an orange one... Maybe since the threat is now a biological one and not a nuclear one?

SaberBlade
November 7th, 2007, 01:16 AM
Perhaps the timeline changes caused by Hiro caused the logo change, as everything is the same but slightly different than how it was supposed to be.

Or you could be right and the destruction method just changed.

Wyrminarrd
November 7th, 2007, 03:47 AM
So far, it really seems that way. Why else would Bob show Nathan that, coupled with a few lines about how dangerous and pwoerful Adam is, unless the two were connected? And then it only makes sense if Adam could actually carry out that tsunami thing in the first place, which implies a power greater than simple regeneration.

I actually took that to mean that Adam had organised the other people with powers in order to stop the zunami, thus saving Miami... Wasn´t Bob still talking about the golden age when Adam brought people together for the good of mankind?

Great episode on the whole, glad to see Peter starting to get more involved in everything that´s going on.

Peter´s mothers power seems to be memory retrival at the moment, that´s the only one we have seen. Then again it might be the reversal bit since she beat back nightmare mans powers.

jds1982
November 7th, 2007, 06:14 AM
I think it's odd that the virus exists in the future now, but there had been no mention of it in Five Years Gone. It's not like the New York incident and the development of a mutant virus would have any effect on each other.

Unless the explosion destroyed the lab where that virus was created, or because of the explosion they never released it. It's entirely plausible they never shipped out Molly's blood cultures when they had her in New York, which means all evidence of that virus would have been eliminated when Peter exploded.

Archaeis
November 7th, 2007, 09:12 AM
It existed before Molly though. It was in Shanti at the very least, though there were probably others. It's not as if were just contained in New York.

Night Marshal
November 7th, 2007, 10:20 AM
A show like heroes should be predictable to some degree better that than say JKR just holding back all the important details until the last book so no one can figure anything out. Its the Writes being fair with those who watch the show we build up to something then we pay it off. Would you rather it be WTF is this that came out of left field so to me being predictable isn't per say bad.

All that Said I really hoped that Adam was someone new to me making Adam and Kensei just isn't as cool to me but hey it might work as long as he has more to him than "I want the kill people Whahahahaaha"

The part of this one that was strongest for me was losing the Irish gal, I hope peter finds a way to get her back. Or will it be all back to the futurey(Marty leaving his girl friend on the poach in the bad neighborhood but when the fix history she is now i left in the good neighborhood), where he will stop the plague and a year from now we will just find her where he last saw her. And do we finally have a glimpse into what peter mama can do

Also on small beef Mohinder must have O negative blood because he is transfusing a lot of people of different back grounds and its unlikely they would all have the dame blood type has him.

smurf
November 7th, 2007, 12:12 PM
*sigh* Well, the plotline I was pretending for six and half episodes - since Adam/Kensei arrived and opened his mouth - wouldn't come to pass, has. Bad show, so cliche. Please try harder.
At least now, I hope, after 7 episodes of setup we might start to get some interest going. It's been such a slow start.

I'd love to believe the Kensei vs. the Dragon story is Kensei vs. Hiro in the tent where Adam/Kensei figuratively cuts out his heart/ability to love/be a hero, but I think that might be too clever.
So Hiro is the legendary Takenzo Kensei (rather than the actual one), and I'm going to keep rooting for Adam because currently he's more interesting than the rest of the cast (minus Ando, and possibly Monica) combined.

As to his power, I think it might be mainly regeneration. I don't know if his charm counts as an ability, since many people have it, and it's just an extension of what he was doing before Hiro turned up - charming and bribing people to do his work for him. Like Bob said; Maury is just a tool for Adam.
Of course, it depends on how he escaped...
He talked Peter into helping him?


The big question is;
Is this going to become The 4400 on a bigger budget?
Establishment organisation on one side, charismatic leader who believes he working for the good of the people on the other, and unsure heroes in the middle.

Dutch_Razor
November 7th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Wow, I didnt really see Kensei=Adam. Guess I didnt really think about it much. At first, when I saw the burnt hand, I thought it might be Peter from the future.

I guess we now know why Adam is getting his revenge on the world.

So, I guess unless someone cuts Claire's head off, she'll live forever? Highlander anyone? lol.

Great episode though. the best of the year. I loved how Claire finally stepped up to her dad. I also liked that west left. man, his character was annoying.

I be the outbreak in the future is caused from the mutated virus. :D Saw that coming.

It will be interesting to see how the relationship between Peter and Adam is. Are they friends? Coworkers? enemies?

Also, not dissapointed we didnt see Sylar and the twins.

No Monica and Micah though. :(

This brings all kinds of (kinda sick but hey) questions though, can Claire be cloned in a matter of minutes? Maybe she'll be Heroes' Ba'al :P

Ace
November 7th, 2007, 03:20 PM
What was up with the change in the title screen? It was a green flare instead of an orange one... Maybe since the threat is now a biological one and not a nuclear one?

That was part of NBC's "going green" theme for the night... it was more obvious in other shows. I'm glad they decided only to change the title screen rather than write "green" into the actual show as others did.

Ace

Agent_Dark
November 7th, 2007, 03:48 PM
That was part of NBC's "going green" theme for the night... it was more obvious in other shows. I'm glad they decided only to change the title screen rather than write "green" into the actual show as others did.

Ace

oh. that was rather lame then lol

s09119
November 7th, 2007, 06:54 PM
I think we now have confirmation of Angela Petrelli's power.

She says to Peter (talking about his ability), "You are the best of all of us." This proves that she is among the group of heroes, and therefore posesses an ability :)

Iguana775
November 7th, 2007, 06:59 PM
ok, I missed it...what was Mrs. P's power?

the fifth man
November 7th, 2007, 07:16 PM
ok, I missed it...what was Mrs. P's power?

We still have yet to see it. I'm really hoping they don't keep us in the dark forever.

jds1982
November 7th, 2007, 10:02 PM
It existed before Molly though. It was in Shanti at the very least, though there were probably others. It's not as if were just contained in New York.

Yes it did exist with Shanti, but the mutant strain that is so virulent in the future did not exist before Molly. Shanti's virus pretty much died with her, so there's no samples for the Company to experiment with from her. Then Molly developed the same virus, and became the second known case. This is where the company got the samples they experimented with, and produced the mutant strain. Last season Molly was cured of the virus, so she was no longer a carrier and couldn't spread it. At that point the Shanti virus only existed in the Company's labs, if those labs were destroyed, so was the virus.

SaberBlade
November 8th, 2007, 05:30 AM
I don't think that's necessarily true.

While the new mutant strain of the virus is being destroyed, and is currently known to be within Nikki only, this doesn't necessarily mean that the original Shanti virus itself is gone.

Shanti died from it, but the virus was still able to survive for 33 years (assuming that Mohinder is the same age as his actor) and infected several people from various parts around the world with nothing in common other than they've got an ability. I do believe that the original Shanti virus is what could mutate into the global pandemic that we see in the future.

If it could disappear for a few decades after Shanti, there is nothing to suggest that just because Molly, Monica and the Haitian were cured, I don't believe that we've seen the last of the virus.

That said, there is definitely going to be some sort of third party interferene with it. Unless it someone spreads from Nikki, I am not sure it would be her because they can easily stick her into quarantine for however long is needed until she's cured, and with the destruction of modified strain, it still comes back to the Shanti virus. It would explain why it never happened after the explosion, because Plan A was successful. It now failed so someone (I'd guess Adam) could have decided to use Plan B instead.

wwlh
November 8th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Unfortunately I did find this episode somewhat predictable. I figured Kensi would pull some sort of Wolverine and end up staying young because of his healing powers.

So my question is - if "regeneration" is your power...like it seems to be in Kensi and in Claire...do you become fixed in age depending on when your powers become active? Is Claire doomed to be a what....16? 17?...year old girl for all eternity?


My out on the limb guess is that the virus mutates again in Claire and becomes a pandemic.

I think it's going to become the pandemic due to Nikki/Jessica - isn't that what (the vision??) of DL said - "you're going to kill a lot of people"?



Did anyone else love that they finally revealed a part of Mrs. Petrellii's power? I knew it was a mental gift but its great that Peter has his memory back or at least the parts that matter.


Or it could be power reversal. THe Haitian removed Peter's memories, and Angela reversed that.

At first I thought it was simply that she was the "twin", if you will, of the Haitain. Like Alejandro can reverse Maya's power...Angela Petrelli can do the same to the Haitain. But after reading all these posts I'm leaning more toward her ability being some sort of power reversal....

Great ideas everyone!!!

IcyNeko
November 8th, 2007, 12:51 PM
Maya needs a twin who can cancel her power by punching her in the face. I volunteer to become this twin.

COMMANDER SIVOK
November 8th, 2007, 01:22 PM
I do not think Angela Petrelli's power was revealed in this episode. When I was watching the episode again last night I noticed that Peter punched the table then put his head down and I heard the sound Matt usually hears when he is trying to read someone's mind. I think Peter just read his mothers mind and did not relize he was doing it.

MarshAngel
November 8th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Maya needs a twin who can cancel her power by punching her in the face. I volunteer to become this twin.
Triplets? I volunteer as well.

nekoi
November 8th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Maya needs a twin who can cancel her power by punching her in the face. I volunteer to become this twin.

We should form a whole squadron that pools all of our resources into this.

And we shall not rest until her character becomes interesting!

badabing
November 8th, 2007, 09:04 PM
I really liked the whole thing with Peter gaining his memory and powers over the last 2 episodes. It was done very good. Felt like a powerful superhero finally accepting his fate and unleashing brutality on his enemies. I hope they keep up with this and potray Peter as one ass kicking hero near the end. Have him battle it out with Sylar or Kensei. Have a full out fight, like they do. Unleash Peter.

Hiro and Ando's meet was amazing. I loved it. Also Peter seeing his mother in the future and finally remembering was done great too. I just love that whole thing.

I hope we get to see more stuff like this episode. I am not into all those new characters just yet. its too much to handle and is deviating from the main storyline. But I think somehow they all fall in place very soon.

caskin
November 8th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I really liked the whole thing with Peter gaining his memory and powers over the last 2 episodes. It was done very good. Felt like a powerful superhero finally accepting his fate and unleashing brutality on his enemies. I hope they keep up with this and potray Peter as one ass kicking hero near the end. Have him battle it out with Sylar or Kensei. Have a full out fight, like they do. Unleash Peter.

YES!!! I have found someone who thinks like I do!! Unleashing Peter in the end would most definitely be the most coolest, kickass thing to happen to Heroes to date. Very epic, very awesome.
I reeeeeally hope they take Peter's character to it's full potential, there's so much too him, and so much they could do with him to make for an interesting story.

So yeah, I'm just agreeing with all you said. ;)

SaberBlade
November 8th, 2007, 10:45 PM
So my question is - if "regeneration" is your power...like it seems to be in Kensi and in Claire...do you become fixed in age depending on when your powers become active? Is Claire doomed to be a what....16? 17?...year old girl for all eternity?


I seriously doubt she'll be like that for eternity. Her powers probably haven't advanced to the point where they'll combat natural bodily functions such as aging. This could be a second stage of her powers.

It's easy for them to say that Kensi can't age because he's already an adult so they can at least work that aspect into his character for as long as he's in it. Claire however is only 18 (in real life) so they'll still have to work in how she's able to age. You'd end up having an 'Angel' complex, because after so many years of doing 'Angel' the whole vampire's don't age thing never made sense because David Boreanaz played the role from a young age. It's also one reason why Data was killed off.

Wyrminarrd
November 9th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Here is a cool if ironic way to solve the virus outbreak.

Peter arrives in New York when the outbreak is just beginning. It gets out of control and threatens to spread outside the city. Seeing this Peter realises that the only way to save 95% of the population of the world is to destroy New York and he then knowingly goes nuclear and annihilates the city :)

s09119
November 9th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Here is a cool if ironic way to solve the virus outbreak.

Peter arrives in New York when the outbreak is just beginning. It gets out of control and threatens to spread outside the city. Seeing this Peter realises that the only way to save 95% of the population of the world is to destroy New York and he then knowingly goes nuclear and annihilates the city :)

I like that idea. Maybe that's he ultimate choice the heroes will have to face; do they let the future happen as it was originally supposed to for the greater good, or do they risk it all on the hope that they can avert the pandemic?

Hypochondriac
November 9th, 2007, 01:15 PM
I think it's going to become the pandemic due to Nikki/Jessica - isn't that what (the vision??) of DL said - "you're going to kill a lot of people"?






That wasn't a vision. That was nightmare man screwing with Nikki's head.

I bet the virus mutates after coming in contact with Claire. I doubt advanced cellular regeneration would be able to combat a virus. It just might stalemate it.

Her regeneration keeps her alive because the cells keep regenerating instead of dying. So in essence she becomes a type of carrier until a real cure is developed. Which I believe will come from the illegal aliens

Darren
November 10th, 2007, 12:48 PM
And has anyone else noticed a small descrepency? The future guy said that the first outbreak of the Shanti Virus was reported on March 20, 2007, but not viral outbreak was reported last season (the only possibility would be Molly, but her case wasn't reported to anyone outside of the Company).
Regarding the timeline of the show: Remember that it's not taking place contemporary with air dates. Season One was very compressed, occuring over a span of about six weeks in October-November, 2006 (note the date on the newspaper coinciding with the election and the bomb detonation when Hiro first went to the future).

Season Two picks up four months later, or somewhere around March 2007. I'd guess that in these first seven episodes, only a few weeks have gone by (Claire's school year isn't over, for example).

Darren
November 10th, 2007, 12:55 PM
I suspect that Kensei/Adam is indeed some kind of sponge or mimic, like Peter -- mainly based on the way that Bob associated him with the weather disaster in the newspaper. The only people we've ever seen with more than one ability are Peter and Sylar.

If that's the case, it's entirely possible that Adam has also figured out time travel, and isn't really 400+ years old. So Claire's regeneration may not prevent her from aging (at least not until she reaches a certain point of maturity).

So, if Adam is the real new big-bad, how do you kill a guy like that? The whole challenge of Season One was to prevent Sylar from getting regeneration abilities; now Adam has started out with them! What to do, what to do ...

PREDICTIONS:
I predict that Maya will be the key to taking down Adam. Her black death power will be something that his cellular regeneration can't handle. But, of course, we need to complicate things -- so I predict that Sylar will figure out how to use his power again and will kill Alejandro and take his Wonder Twin power. Then Maya, when she finds out who and what Sylar really is, will have to rely on him.

Claire is now the target of the Company, for the sake of finding a new cure to the virus. I predict that late in the season she'll be the way we find out that Maya's ability can take out Adam. Claire will end up at the receiving end of the black death, and SYLAR will have to save the cheerleader!

smurf
November 10th, 2007, 05:38 PM
I don't think Adam has the ability to time travel. For someone with his world view it would be the ability he needs to change things the way he wants it, and if he already has it why would he need to gather other specials together to fix the world.
I think that's the reason he needs Peter because Peter can. I noticed his line to Peter at the end was "We're going to change history". He wants to save the world by carrying out a reset.
I foresee confusing timelines ahead.


I hope Adam doesn't have a sponge style ability of any sort. It would be too much like S1 all over again. I think it's interesting to watch him do more damage with his intelligence and charm, than going out solo with all the magic powers.

tombombadil
November 11th, 2007, 12:30 PM
What was up with the change in the title screen? It was a green flare instead of an orange one... Maybe since the threat is now a biological one and not a nuclear one?
i thought it was because it was green week on NBC.
Hey if they do change the future again, does that mean what's her face will just disappear because there will be no future for peter to go back to to get her? time travel gives me a headache

IcyNeko
November 11th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Or.. here's one for irony...

Maya can't be stopped by the virus, but when Sylar and team come in contact with the company, bob tries to shoot Sylar. Instead, the virus hits Maya (Sylar pulled her in the way). The virus mutates when it comes in contact with maya's emo-myspace-tears. Virus goes boom.

tombombadil
November 16th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Or.. here's one for irony...

Maya can't be stopped by the virus, but when Sylar and team come in contact with the company, bob tries to shoot Sylar. Instead, the virus hits Maya (Sylar pulled her in the way). The virus mutates when it comes in contact with maya's emo-myspace-tears. Virus goes boom.

that would be funny but i think her brother would be the one with the immunity, maya would just be able to spread it. but still "emo-myspace-tears" HILARIOUS!

Matt G
June 6th, 2008, 04:10 PM
1. Well that confirms who the main bad guy is this season!

2. They can't just leave Caitlin stuck in the future can they?

3. OK...Hiro's just learned his father died. Be prepared for payback, samurai style!

4. Peter is so badly going to get played by Adam!

Now we're talkng! :) And we have a prequel to fill in the gaps next week.

Major Clanger
June 7th, 2008, 10:02 AM
They can leave Caitlin where she is as far as I'm concerned. How whiny and irritating can one character be? And we don't just have her, we have Maya too. If this doesn't pick up soon I'm going to stop watching.

SgaIsBad
September 5th, 2008, 09:33 AM
Caitlin is definitely annoying

Harry456
September 8th, 2008, 03:40 AM
The characters deal with the consequences of their actions in "Genesis". Peter recovers from his fall, hero explores New York, Niki deals with the aftermath of Jessica's rage, and Mohinder continues to investigate his father's death................

garhkal
November 30th, 2015, 11:37 PM
Good episode overall, this season seems to definitely be picking up more and more after each episode. Too bad it might be shortened due to the writer's strike.

So that might explain why there is only 11 eps for this full season, while the others got the full 22 ep treatment..



As for DL, I don't think he's one of her personalities. I think Matt's Dad was making her see DL, to turn her into a weapon for him.

OR that was her true personality coming back to try and kick the new one out, by appealing to her love for DL..


So, I guess unless someone cuts Claire's head off, she'll live forever? Highlander anyone? lol.


THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!


Great episode though. the best of the year. I loved how Claire finally stepped up to her dad. I also liked that west left. man, his character was annoying.


I wonder though, how long it will last though.
As to west scarpering though, if someone you met who had kidnapped you and did what ever, suddenly showed up, would you get out of dodge?


I be the outbreak in the future is caused from the mutated virus. Saw that coming.


BUT it also makes sense. Look at how often IRL and in many other films, OUR tinkering with viruses to try and 'understand them' turns them killers!


Peter separated from irish girl- also awesome. More Matt! Yay!

That makes me wonder.. Is she gone for good?



Did anyone else love that they finally revealed a part of Mrs. Petrellii's power? I knew it was a mental gift but its great that Peter has his memory back or at least the parts that matter.

Pete's powers returned after he 'superhealed'.. NOT cause of Mama petrelli..



I think it's odd that the virus exists in the future now, but there had been no mention of it in Five Years Gone. It's not like the New York incident and the development of a mutant virus would have any effect on each other.

Maybe cause they STOPPED the 'bomb' exploding, it erased the events of "Five years gone".. so a new future was created (the virus strain).


So my question is - if "regeneration" is your power...like it seems to be in Kensi and in Claire...do you become fixed in age depending on when your powers become active? Is Claire doomed to be a what....16? 17?...year old girl for all eternity?


That depends if you stop aging period.. Or just age real slowly (like Logan). He is what 200+ and looks what 45?


I really liked the whole thing with Peter gaining his memory and powers over the last 2 episodes. It was done very good. Felt like a powerful superhero finally accepting his fate and unleashing brutality on his enemies. I hope they keep up with this and potray Peter as one ass kicking hero near the end. Have him battle it out with Sylar or Kensei. Have a full out fight, like they do. Unleash Peter.


I would be going "SQEEE" if we could see a full on Peter-Sylar smackdown.. Though where ever they are at better watch out!


Hiro and Ando's meet was amazing. I loved it. Also Peter seeing his mother in the future and finally remembering was done great too. I just love that whole thing.

Which makes me wonder how SHE survived??4



Here is a cool if ironic way to solve the virus outbreak.

Peter arrives in New York when the outbreak is just beginning. It gets out of control and threatens to spread outside the city. Seeing this Peter realises that the only way to save 95% of the population of the world is to destroy New York and he then knowingly goes nuclear and annihilates the city :)I like that idea. Maybe that's he ultimate choice the heroes will have to face; do they let the future happen as it was originally supposed to for the greater good, or do they risk it all on the hope that they can avert the pandemic?

So bad choice 1, where all Evo's are hunted down as in 'five years gone', or bad choice 2, where 97% of the world's population is dead.. Hmm..