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ShadowMaat
October 10th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Y'know, this is pure speculation on my part, but if we go along with the Evil Peter theme, isn't it possible that he's the one killing the others? After all, he has Hiro's teleportation/timebending ability, so he could easily be bopping around the US nixing the First Guard without his Irish mates knowing about it. Possibly even without himself knowing about it.

Of course, the downside is that I don't think either Peter has any way of knowing who's in the First Guard, but maybe that just means it's FUTURE Evil Peter jumping back in time. :D

Or we could go with the tamer possibility of it being the Flying Stalkerboy. I have an intense and unending dislike of him (even greater than my dislike of Peter) and despite what the actors are saying about their characters in interviews (talking about how "they're both falling in love for the first time) I don't entirely buy it. Maybe it was just his introduction, but I find West inherently creepy and I'd be surprised if he didn't have ulterior motives (beyond those of the normal horny teenage male) for getting involved with Claire.

Those are my top two candidates. Anyone else care to add? :)

Mattathias2.0
October 10th, 2007, 06:28 PM
I just saw the first 2 episodes, Four Months Later and Lizards today.

As of yet, I have no speculation on who the hooded man could be.

Phenix
October 10th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Y'know, this is pure speculation on my part, but if we go along with the Evil Peter theme, isn't it possible that he's the one killing the others? After all, he has Hiro's teleportation/timebending ability, so he could easily be bopping around the US nixing the First Guard without his Irish mates knowing about it. Possibly even without himself knowing about it.

Of course, the downside is that I don't think either Peter has any way of knowing who's in the First Guard, but maybe that just means it's FUTURE Evil Peter jumping back in time. :D

Or we could go with the tamer possibility of it being the Flying Stalkerboy. I have an intense and unending dislike of him (even greater than my dislike of Peter) and despite what the actors are saying about their characters in interviews (talking about how "they're both falling in love for the first time) I don't entirely buy it. Maybe it was just his introduction, but I find West inherently creepy and I'd be surprised if he didn't have ulterior motives (beyond those of the normal horny teenage male) for getting involved with Claire.

Those are my top two candidates. Anyone else care to add? :)

I vote for Kenzei.

ShadowMaat
October 10th, 2007, 08:05 PM
As I said in the other thread, I see him as being more of a behind-the-scenes guy than someone who's out and actually committing the deeds himself, but then again, am I mis-remembering or did Papa Nakamura recognize his attacker? That could lend weight to the possibility of it being Kensei since- close connection to the Petrelli family or not- I don't think Mr Nakamura is likely to know/recognize Peter.

Whoever it is has to be able to survive the drop to the ground- or be able to fly/teleport away.

Might be interesting if it was Nathan and he's gone all crazy darkside because of Peter.

Hmm... The more I think about it, though, the more I like the idea of it being Kensei. A lot of the pieces would fit, but then again, the easy fit almost makes it seem too easy.

Hope they don't keep us in suspense too long. ;)

Rosehawk
October 10th, 2007, 08:08 PM
Y'know, this is pure speculation on my part, but if we go along with the Evil Peter theme, isn't it possible that he's the one killing the others? After all, he has Hiro's teleportation/timebending ability, so he could easily be bopping around the US nixing the First Guard without his Irish mates knowing about it. Possibly even without himself knowing about it.

Of course, the downside is that I don't think either Peter has any way of knowing who's in the First Guard, but maybe that just means it's FUTURE Evil Peter jumping back in time. :D

Or we could go with the tamer possibility of it being the Flying Stalkerboy. I have an intense and unending dislike of him (even greater than my dislike of Peter) and despite what the actors are saying about their characters in interviews (talking about how "they're both falling in love for the first time) I don't entirely buy it. Maybe it was just his introduction, but I find West inherently creepy and I'd be surprised if he didn't have ulterior motives (beyond those of the normal horny teenage male) for getting involved with Claire.

Those are my top two candidates. Anyone else care to add? :)

My initial thoughts so far is that Peter, or a version of Peter, is the 'Hooded Man'. He could have absorbed Nicki's double killer personality, use Hiro's teleport abilities after reading his mother's mind prior to 'saving the world'. :cool:

I think Flying Stalkerboy is creepy too. He seems to be the type to gain her trust and then hurt her. At least that is my impression so far.

I want to watch that episode again. There just seemed to be alot of information in it.

ShadowMaat
October 10th, 2007, 08:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Flyboy was Midas's little toady. Unless there's another sinister group for him to toady up to.

Nathan
October 10th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Evil Peter? No, I think not Shadow person!

My theory. Oh and before I say it, I know you will scoff at me. Scoff a way my dear, I care not :P

So hooded man = Ando.

Now before you say "oh but he was there with the sword remember?" Yes yes, but he may have had help in going back in time .....

pbellosom
October 11th, 2007, 01:44 AM
I vote for Kenzei.

So do I. His healing ability would presumably stop him dieing from old age as well.

Darkstar 2.0
October 11th, 2007, 04:59 AM
West the flying skaterboy is a creep, I think he's screwing with her head, Trying to turn her against her surogate father Noah!

Thats the typical archetype though, Claire is indestructable, but her mind is not, her young mind is easily damaged, and does not repair as quick, if ever, we all know that in the 3rd episode, we see Noah presumably dead, with Claire and an unknown figure in sexual like emrace (not sex, but a loving type embrace like a kiss) maybe West has been planted there to draw her out of hiding, he was captured and works as an agent, a pair, so the other one may be a normal human, at the same school, or a freak just like him, that we have yet to see, or have yet to see what they can do!!?

IcyNeko
October 11th, 2007, 07:46 AM
Yeah, I have a sneaky suspicion that West is an agent of the company working to bring Claire to the dark side, and take out Bennet too. :(

Because Bennet is out to destroy teh company, and Bob. And Bob doesn't like that.

ShadowMaat
October 11th, 2007, 08:20 AM
Evil Peter? No, I think not Shadow person!

My theory. Oh and before I say it, I know you will scoff at me. Scoff a way my dear, I care not :P

So hooded man = Ando.

Now before you say "oh but he was there with the sword remember?" Yes yes, but he may have had help in going back in time .....

Ando?! http://www.pushupstairs.com/images/emoticon/neptune/Animated/Laughing/laugh009.gif My, my, my, you do tend towards the comical, don't you, Nathan?

I don't for a minute believe that it was Ando and I refuse to even consider the possibility unless I need a good laugh. :P

I know! Maybe it's Mr Muggles! Perhaps he has developed some untold power of body morphing and now he's sniffing out all the First Guard and doing away with them. Everyone would recognize him up close because he keeps his adorable doggy face and they all know him as the King of Best of Breed. ;)

Ando. Pfft! I laugh mockingly in your direction, sirrah.

Wass
October 11th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Beware some spoilers


Wow itís been such a long time since I have posted here I donít even recognise most of the people except Shadow (*?*) of course [how you doing shadow]. Ok been watching the show so far not bad.

This is just my take on hooded guy, Iím undecided at the moment between Kensei or the boggy Man I am leaning towards boggy Man who I believe is one of the old group of Heroes who may have disappeared and has now some how returned. My guess the in-fighting led older generation of heroes doing something very trouble and killing one of the heroes who did completely die and now wants revenge.

Remember we have only me met 7 of the older generation of heroes I believe their are 12 old together (Iím sure I read it was 12 somewhere).

ShadowMaat
October 11th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Well, we have yet to meet Uluru, who was featured in the Heroes Value Stamps last season. I still have hopes that he'll show up somewhere. I kinda figured that whoever the Hooded Man is, it's also the Bogeyman from Molly's nightmares, although that could be misdirection and the "bad guy" we're all focusing on is nothing compared to the BIG Bad the heroes will eventually be fighting.

*waves to Wass* ;)

Phantom Limb
October 11th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I vote for Kenzei.

yep, he gets my vote too, although it seems like they set it up to look like it was Nathan Petrelli, what with him bumping into Ando in the plaza and then being at his mums appartment when she found the picture perhaps he works for kensei or maybe its just a big red herring.

or he is evil Nathan from the mirror universe, the bigger the beard the more evil your alternate self is, so watch out!! and he trapped the real scarred Nathan in a mirror to taunt him for all time.......ive just figured it all out its so obvious!

the fifth man
October 11th, 2007, 06:46 PM
If it is Kensei, boy is he going to have some serious explaining to do to Hiro once he returns to our timeline.

Phenix
October 11th, 2007, 07:19 PM
yep, he gets my vote too, although it seems like they set it up to look like it was Nathan Petrelli, what with him bumping into Ando in the plaza and then being at his mums appartment when she found the picture perhaps he works for kensei or maybe its just a big red herring.

or he is evil Nathan from the mirror universe, the bigger the beard the more evil your alternate self is, so watch out!! and he trapped the real scarred Nathan in a mirror to taunt him for all time.......ive just figured it all out its so obvious!

It could be an evil Nathan but then how would he know the inner circle. It would be rather annoying for them to make Nathan into this villian if there is no known way of him knowing who was all involved. The same goes for Peter or any known character in the series so far. If they just say o, between the start of the seasons Peter and Nathan learned about the inner circle then I'll use my remote to change the channel then just download them when the season is over.

So I still say Kensei. He is most likely immortal and well he is probably in a direct line with the Petrilli's and maybe even Hiro. It would be hilarious if he wants to 'date' his great great great great great Grand Mother.

Nathan
October 12th, 2007, 01:22 AM
My theory on Kenzei is that he marrys the swordsmiths daughter and through generation after generation Kenzei's great, great, great, great grandchild is born. His parents name this child Hiro.

Phenix
October 12th, 2007, 05:36 PM
My theory on Kenzei is that he marrys the swordsmiths daughter and through generation after generation Kenzei's great, great, great, great grandchild is born. His parents name this child Hiro.

You are forgetting the Petrilli family. His great great great geat great grand daughter is most likely Claire. AT least that is my speculation. I am also alright with Hiro in the mix. The whole falling in love with his Great Great Great grandmother is kinda hilarious.

ShadowMaat
October 12th, 2007, 06:05 PM
If a woman with a superstrength split personality and a man who can phase through solid objects can produce a kid who's good with machines, I dunno if you can necessarily connect Kensei to Claire based on Talent alone.

Heck, put like that Hana should be connected to Micah because they both understand machines. ;)

It's possible, of course, but personally I'd be a bit disappointed. Especially since, if Kensei figures out the connection and assuming he does go darkside, it'd likely mean that we'd have another Save the Cheerleader theme going on and we've already been there, done that, AND got the t-shirt. :P

Or hey, maybe Kensei is Patient Zero, the one to whom ALL Heroes can trace their origin. ;)

Esquin
October 13th, 2007, 03:09 AM
It's not West. I know the character archtype. he's a lsot and alone kid who found something that makes him different. my guess, before he found his powers he was the nerdy outcast kid. But when he got his power he found something that put him above the others so he jsut doesn't let them touch him anymore. He doesn't care because he has something they don't.

He's deffinently not evil, and I don't really think its him thats standing with Claire in the painting. I think it's Sylar actually but tahts a whole other theory spin.

Kensei has to be the hooded man. Or someone we havn't met yet. It could be Kane, but it's entierly possible that Kane and Kensei are one in the same.

Nathan
October 13th, 2007, 03:20 AM
Interestingly if you look at Kane .. or Cain from the bible... (note the bold bit)

"The elder son of Adam and Eve, Cain was a farmer and his brother Abel a shepherd. When they brought their offerings to the Lord, Abel's offering was accepted but Cain's was not. In anger Cain killed his brother. God asked Cain where Abel was, but Cain denied knowing Abel's whereabouts, saying "Am I my brother's keeper?" God replied that Abel's blood cried out from the ground against Cain, and God condemned Cain's deed. Yet God allowed him to live, placing a special mark on his head so that no one would kill him as he wandered the earth."

Source (http://demo.lutherproductions.com/bibletutor/level1/program/start/people/cain.htm)

Now I know the bible version is that the mark meant he was "protected" by God or whatever, but look at the world of Heroes, especially this character, and how the marks and symbolism have meaning.

Esquin
October 13th, 2007, 04:58 AM
According to Hiro the Symbol means godsend yeah?

The eyes Molly see's have the Symbol betwen them, so yeah I think thats a pretty deffinative answer right there. The killer, the man worse then sylar. They're Kane the immortal.

Darkstar 2.0
October 13th, 2007, 10:17 AM
well if it it is west in that painting, then It would be a good bet, that Sylar grabs hold of another ability or regains the ability to shapeshift, just like when he killed the woman in season 2, the fat bird with a nasty case of bed sores lol!!

If it is Sylar, then he could mimic the persona of west, and then fool Claire into killing her dad, or turning her, hell!!! if he gains the ability of time travel in a later episode or in season 3 that we don't known of, it could mean that he has come back in the guise of west, and is playing her from day one, meaning, there are two Sylar's in season 2, the one we see trying to regain powers, and perhaps the one, who can come back and figures the key to it all is claire, rather than facing everybody in the square to make sure PEter explodes, where ultimately, he would or could be killed too, end of!!

Hmmm, when you incorporate Time Travel into any series, it does beg the question, if at one point any bad guy or gal, can gain the powers of a person with the ability to bend space and time, or even Hiro maybe!? then at one point, for their devious requirements, could use that to come back to a present episode, or season and we as a the fns or audience, would be unaware since he may have the shape shifting abilities.

We all saw 5 Years Later, and look what he became there!!!!

Duh Duh Duuuh!!!!! AHHH!!! LOL :D

Commander Jumper
October 13th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Ando?! http://www.pushupstairs.com/images/emoticon/neptune/Animated/Laughing/laugh009.gif My, my, my, you do tend towards the comical, don't you, Nathan?

I don't for a minute believe that it was Ando and I refuse to even consider the possibility unless I need a good laugh. :P

I know! Maybe it's Mr Muggles! Perhaps he has developed some untold power of body morphing and now he's sniffing out all the First Guard and doing away with them. Everyone would recognize him up close because he keeps his adorable doggy face and they all know him as the King of Best of Breed. ;)

Ando. Pfft! I laugh mockingly in your direction, sirrah.

:( I was gonna suggest Muggles :p


sokay where do I start....

I have three words for ya...

Copy Kingdom Manager....

need I say more?

SYLAR/MUGGLES FOREVER!!! OMG BRILL IDEA.... so....

In teh future.... Sylar steals Hiro's powers.... sokay...and erm... he and Muggles mutant dog human children go back in time to cause havoc...because.. they are children of evil.... that would explain the hood... don't want people going Kagome on the ears (if you don't get the Kagome joke..my heart cries)

Lord Iceman
October 14th, 2007, 08:28 AM
I'm guessing that its someone we don't know yet. Maybe the "Peter" of the previous generation. One thing is clear though. That person has to be able to fly or heal (or both), so my guess is another empath.

ShadowMaat
October 14th, 2007, 08:36 AM
Fly, heal, or teleport away. But if it's a power we haven't seen yet, there are more possibilities. Maybe he morphed into a bird and flew away. Or changed density so he was rubberized and bounced away. Created a force shield around himself to absorb the impact. Cast a projection/duplicate of himself to do the killing while he was safely ensconced elsewhere. It depends on what the commercials mean when they say "The killer is one of them." Is it one of them as in someone we've met, or one of them as in having a special ability?

Guess we'll have to wait and find out. ;)

eri-chan
October 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM
i agree with the kensei argument. ive been thinking its kensei myself. build wise, it looked about right imo. but if not... that cain theory looked pretty interesting. so i might go with that if it doesnt turn out to be kensei.

Schmengie
October 14th, 2007, 03:22 PM
:( I was gonna suggest Muggles :p

As was I.

At any rate, whatever it is can't be as disturbing as Lauter's perpetually open mouthed look.

Phenix
October 15th, 2007, 01:36 PM
well if it it is west in that painting, then It would be a good bet, that Sylar grabs hold of another ability or regains the ability to shapeshift, just like when he killed the woman in season 2, the fat bird with a nasty case of bed sores lol!!

If it is Sylar, then he could mimic the persona of west, and then fool Claire into killing her dad, or turning her, hell!!! if he gains the ability of time travel in a later episode or in season 3 that we don't known of, it could mean that he has come back in the guise of west, and is playing her from day one, meaning, there are two Sylar's in season 2, the one we see trying to regain powers, and perhaps the one, who can come back and figures the key to it all is claire, rather than facing everybody in the square to make sure PEter explodes, where ultimately, he would or could be killed too, end of!!

Hmmm, when you incorporate Time Travel into any series, it does beg the question, if at one point any bad guy or gal, can gain the powers of a person with the ability to bend space and time, or even Hiro maybe!? then at one point, for their devious requirements, could use that to come back to a present episode, or season and we as a the fns or audience, would be unaware since he may have the shape shifting abilities.

We all saw 5 Years Later, and look what he became there!!!!

Duh Duh Duuuh!!!!! AHHH!!! LOL :D

Please, for your own safety stop thinking. You might burst a blood vessel.

Phenix
October 15th, 2007, 01:52 PM
i agree with the kensei argument. ive been thinking its kensei myself. build wise, it looked about right imo. but if not... that cain theory looked pretty interesting. so i might go with that if it doesnt turn out to be kensei.

The Cain analogy does still apply to Kensei. The Godsend symbol is Kensei's symbol and it is likely that Kensei is an immortal.

eri-chan
October 15th, 2007, 05:26 PM
thats true but the mark being on the forehead/in between eyes part doesnt really sit with kensei. unless he changes in the future and ends up with some mark on his head. so far all we know is that he can heal himself like claire. we havent seen any other powers and usually all the heroes have just one specific inherent power.

MarshAngel
October 16th, 2007, 08:05 AM
Y'know, this is pure speculation on my part, but if we go along with the Evil Peter theme, isn't it possible that he's the one killing the others? After all, he has Hiro's teleportation/timebending ability, so he could easily be bopping around the US nixing the First Guard without his Irish mates knowing about it. Possibly even without himself knowing about it.

Of course, the downside is that I don't think either Peter has any way of knowing who's in the First Guard, but maybe that just means it's FUTURE Evil Peter jumping back in time. :D


I'm sticking with your theory. We have no clue what happened in the past four months. He could have learned a lot about the company in that time....or at least, an alter ego of his could have. Methinks he may have been working with a certain short blond. But that's just a wild guess.

Nathan
October 19th, 2007, 02:51 AM
OK so I was thinking about this.

I'm not convinced the hooded man is Kensei. The reason is they obviously want us to not know who it is at this stage and well just about everyone thinks it's him ... it's too obvious, so I'm thinking they are having us think that to reveal the true person later.

Just thinking

eri-chan
October 19th, 2007, 04:29 AM
but while heroes has a lot of twists and turns, it's still predictable most of the time :P

Nathan
October 19th, 2007, 04:54 AM
Yeah but I'm hoping for the "oh wow I totally didn't see THAT coming" moment.

Perhaps nothing more than wishful thinking

Chokito
October 24th, 2007, 11:06 PM
yeah i think Kenzei too

the fifth man
October 27th, 2007, 06:42 PM
OK so I was thinking about this.

I'm not convinced the hooded man is Kensei. The reason is they obviously want us to not know who it is at this stage and well just about everyone thinks it's him ... it's too obvious, so I'm thinking they are having us think that to reveal the true person later.

Just thinking

Whether he's the hooded man or not, I still think that Kensei is involved in what is happening somehow. And sadly, not in a good way.

Nathan
October 31st, 2007, 03:20 PM
So how about this.

Kensei is bad.
Hiro travels back to the moment his father is about to be killed. Ando comes in with the sword and instead of it playing out how we have seen it. Hiro grabs the sword from Ando and Kensei and Hiro have a big old fight, saving Hiro's dad's life.

eri-chan
October 31st, 2007, 05:04 PM
hmmm but why would kensei still be in his samurai armour in the painting???

Nathan
October 31st, 2007, 05:56 PM
I haven't seen the latest episode. I'm watching it on 7 so I don't know to what painting you are referring. Sorry. I'm trying to remain relatively spoiler free.

IcyNeko
October 31st, 2007, 07:23 PM
hmmm but why would kensei still be in his samurai armour in the painting???

"For Old time's sake"?

YodaMate
October 31st, 2007, 07:27 PM
Or Kensei tackles Hiro just as he's about to time travel and he gets dragged to the future as well. Just a thought :)

ShadowMaat
October 31st, 2007, 09:22 PM
Or Kensei tackles Hiro just as he's about to time travel and he gets dragged to the future as well. Just a thought :)

Nah. Imagine how much angrier and more bitter Kensei would be if he had centuries to brood over how Hiro betrayed him. Although it might explain why he didn't kill Hiro at some point prior to his traveling back to feudal Japan. ;) Unless he wanted that to happen just so he could experience even those fleeting moments of happiness and love with the Swordsmith's daughter (Yaeko?).

Chokito
November 1st, 2007, 04:43 AM
i think it matt dad now

why did he have the pick of bob with the red helix on it,
if he's not the one doing it