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    Why steal ZPM's from...? Spoilers for Adrift

    If they can rig a Puddle Jumper for one or two hyperspace jumps, why not go to a local Stargate, then use that Stargate to dial the midway station, then from there, get Earth to send him two ZPM's (Earth's and the Odyssey's) through the Stargate, fly back to the Pegasus Galaxy, then make that second hyperspace jump back to Atlantis?

    #2
    That's assuming Earth still has two ZPM's, they could get used up in the movies...

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      #3
      This is entirely possible, but the movies aren't out yet, so we're left to assume the other two ZPM's are still usefull unless an Atlantis episode says otherwise.

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        #4
        Problem being though that supposedly Ark of Truth AND Continuum have happened already so if they had Atlantis showing them getting one of the ZPMs and the movies show them used up then we have have one big continuity foul up.


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          #5
          The problem with that is The Ark of Truth won't be out until Season 4 is either ending or over. Continuum won't come out until just before or after Season 5 begins. If the two ZPM's that Earth got from Atlantis "The Return, Part 2" have been used up, then they need to say so in one of these episodes, otherwise it makes the Atlantis Expedition look incompetent.

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            #6
            Because those gates would not be connected to the Intergalatic Bridge. It's specifically pointed out in 4x02 "Lifeline" that the connection had to be re-astablished, even though the Lantean gate had once been connected, which means that even after re-calibrating the gate, they had to do it all over again.

            Most probably, there are strenous fail-safes and firewalls and what-nots in place to prevent others from just hacking their way in front other gates. Most probably, the gates have to be synchronized from both sides, the Bridge and the gate in question.



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              Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
              Because those gates would not be connected to the Intergalatic Bridge. It's specifically pointed out in 4x02 "Lifeline" that...
              I stopped reading since "Lifeline" hasn't aired yet.

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                #8
                Why steal from the Asurans when it can be done easier? Simple, it doesn't require much continuity or, God forbid, thinking up a credible storyline by TPTB.

                There are legio alternatives: Why don't they place McKay in that evolution machine and use him in that state to develop ZPMs for them? Or what about searching in the database for ZPMs? Or even hooking up all the puddlejumpers to the main power grid to keep them shield running while they perform repairs on the power conduits? Let alone they try to put everyone in puddlejumpers, shut down the shield and then use their EVA suits to repair the damage done to the power conduits?

                Basically the asnwer to those questions is the same as the one to yours: It requires thinking critical about plotholes and the plot of an episode, it requires thinking in general by TPTB. And since that is much harder than creating a simple plot they'll always go with a simple plot like stealing.
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                  Originally posted by Daniel Jackson View Post
                  The problem with that is The Ark of Truth won't be out until Season 4 is either ending or over. Continuum won't come out until just before or after Season 5 begins. If the two ZPM's that Earth got from Atlantis "The Return, Part 2" have been used up, then they need to say so in one of these episodes, otherwise it makes the Atlantis Expedition look incompetent.
                  The problem with that is that both movies already happened before S4 began. This has already been coinfirmed by both AT & JM.

                  So if the events happened after 'First Strike' & before 'Adrift', then how exactly are they supposed to put it in?

                  Fact is it was already said in 'Echoes' where they were going, we've saw Odyssey get pounded in 'Unending', as well as it'll also take a sure beating in the movies. There is no need to put in every little detail of it's use. Why didn't SG-1 put in a reference as to how Atlantis was using the ZPM that they received from Egypt in S2. Especially since the Ori quickly became a threat soon after. So those ZPM's are now in Atlantis history, most likely never to be heard of ever again. Not to mention Apollo knew they had serious power problems. Therdfore if either of the ZPM's were still available, then Ellis had every opportunity to contact the SGC via Midway & get it sent through. The fact they didn't should show that those ZPM's are gone.

                  As for the whole incompetence thing you refer to, I'm sorry to say that that happened in the very first few eps. In 'Suspicion' we see them take tazers with a limited one shot capacity & 20ft range over to use on Wraith. Yet never even think of taking along Zat's with them. Extended range & pretty much unlimited shot capacity. That's only a few of the things they've done wrongly since the beginning.

                  As to the original question, the PJ had a range of only around 2000ly's. There was only a limited number of planets in which they could have jumped to. Presumably all of them were previously checked or still remained explored. Those planets would be useless because they wouldn't have found anything worthwhile to help them in the matter of power capabilities. Not to mentiopn what happened if they jumped in, then found the Stargate was gone or not working any longer. Asuras was the only surefire choice in which they knew 100% about the place. While also had Weir as their inside mole. However in reality, I'm sure 2 would have been made. 1 to jump to another planet, so that they could gate to a Stargate, then use the gate to contact Apollo with the new coordinates of Atlantis rather than risking everything on the outcome of their dangerous heist to the Asuran homeworld. They the 304 could deal directly with the SGC to see if any ZPM's or whatever would be available to use. If so, the intergalactic bridge would be used to transport it thropugh to Pegasus & onto Atlantis. While the other went ahead with the heist on Asuras.

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                    Originally posted by Gregorius View Post
                    Why steal from the Asurans when it can be done easier? Simple, it doesn't require much continuity or, God forbid, thinking up a credible storyline by TPTB.
                    It seems to me that they're trying to force a conflict between Atlantis and Asuras instead of letting the story naturally flow wherever.

                    There are legio alternatives: Why don't they place McKay in that evolution machine and use him in that state to develop ZPMs for them? Or what about searching in the database for ZPMs? Or even hooking up all the puddlejumpers to the main power grid to keep them shield running while they perform repairs on the power conduits? Let alone they try to put everyone in puddlejumpers, shut down the shield and then use their EVA suits to repair the damage done to the power conduits?
                    All interesting possibilities, but contacting Earth and telling them to send them the other two ZPM's seems like the simplest sollution. In the mean time, they could fit as many people into the remaining Puddle Jumpers as possible just in case the shield fails.

                    Basically the asnwer to those questions is the same as the one to yours: It requires thinking critical about plotholes and the plot of an episode, it requires thinking in general by TPTB. And since that is much harder than creating a simple plot they'll always go with a simple plot like stealing.
                    Don't be too harsh. I suspect a big part of this irritating confussion comes from the fact that the SG-1 movies were suppose to have premiered on DVD before "Adrift" aired which may also be why Season 4 started so late.

                    [QUOTE=Wraith_Boy;7167033]The problem with that is that both movies already happened before S4 began. This has already been coinfirmed by both AT & JM.[QUOTE]
                    I understand this, but since the movies got delayed, the Atlantis episodes should have been reworked to explain these things to the audience instead of leaving us thinking the show is being poorly written.

                    Fact is it was already said in 'Echoes' where they were going, we've saw Odyssey get pounded in 'Unending', as well as it'll also take a sure beating in the movies. There is no need to put in every little detail of it's use.
                    At the end of "Adrift," how about a very simple bit of dialogue. Someone like Teyla or Ronan suggests going to Earth to retrieve the other two ZPM's, Sheppard mentions they were used up in Earth's war with the Ori, then McKay suggests the raid on Asuras. I mean, come on, see how easy that is?

                    Why didn't SG-1 put in a reference as to how Atlantis was using the ZPM that they received from Egypt in S2.
                    They did. It was stated in the "Moebius" two-parter that they were retrieving the ZPM specifically for Atlantis.

                    So those ZPM's are now in Atlantis history, most likely never to be heard of ever again. Not to mention Apollo knew they had serious power problems. Therdfore if either of the ZPM's were still available, then Ellis had every opportunity to contact the SGC via Midway & get it sent through. The fact they didn't should show that those ZPM's are gone.
                    Speculation. I seem to recall numerous times where Atlantis needed the other two ZPM's, and Earth wouldn't give them up. However, this time Atlantis is on the verge of destruction, so... that's a different matter.

                    As for the whole incompetence thing you refer to, I'm sorry to say that that happened in the very first few eps. In 'Suspicion' we see them take tazers with a limited one shot capacity & 20ft range over to use on Wraith. Yet never even think of taking along Zat's with them. Extended range & pretty much unlimited shot capacity. That's only a few of the things they've done wrongly since the beginning.
                    Tazers can be repaired and recharged. If a zat breaks or runs out of power, that's that. The main reason why zats aren't used (beyond episodes featuring the SGC) is to keep the shows separate to some extent.

                    As to the original question, the PJ had a range of only around 2000ly's. There was only a limited number of planets in which they could have jumped to. Presumably all of them were previously checked or still remained explored. Those planets would be useless because they wouldn't have found anything worthwhile to help them in the matter of power capabilities. Not to mentiopn what happened if they jumped in, then found the Stargate was gone or not working any longer. Asuras was the only surefire choice in which they knew 100% about the place.
                    That's the first good reason I've seen for going to Asuras, thanks.

                    However in reality, I'm sure 2 would have been made. 1 to jump to another planet, so that they could gate to a Stargate, then use the gate to contact Apollo with the new coordinates of Atlantis rather than risking everything on the outcome of their dangerous heist to the Asuran homeworld. They the 304 could deal directly with the SGC to see if any ZPM's or whatever would be available to use. If so, the intergalactic bridge would be used to transport it thropugh to Pegasus & onto Atlantis. While the other went ahead with the heist on Asuras.
                    Most likely, they only have time to rig one Puddle Jumper.

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                      Originally posted by Daniel Jackson View Post
                      [COLOR="Blue"]It seems to me that they're trying to force a conflict between Atlantis and Asuras instead of letting the story naturally flow wherever.
                      Which is a symptom of, guess what, bad writing.

                      All interesting possibilities, but contacting Earth and telling them to send them the other two ZPM's seems like the simplest sollution. In the mean time, they could fit as many people into the remaining Puddle Jumpers as possible just in case the shield fails.
                      Again, the lack of this what does it return to? Bad writing.

                      Don't be too harsh. I suspect a big part of this irritating confussion comes from the fact that the SG-1 movies were suppose to have premiered on DVD before "Adrift" aired which may also be why Season 4 started so late.
                      I am not being harsh. These are people that have written and led a show for 10 years, they should be able to write decent storylines and overall storyarcs. It's not like we're talking about an upstarting show, no we're talking about a spin-off from another show with the same PTB that had already ran for 7 years. If anything I'm being mild.

                      Compare it to teaching: You will forgive a beginning teacher for making mistakes, but the longer a person has been teaching the less forgiving you'll be because you expect them to be capable. And if they are not capable they should be fired and replaced with people who are capable, at least that's how it works in most buisnesses.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gregorius View Post
                        Why steal from the Asurans when it can be done easier? Simple, it doesn't require much continuity or, God forbid, thinking up a credible storyline by TPTB.

                        There are legio alternatives: Why don't they place McKay in that evolution machine and use him in that state to develop ZPMs for them? Or what about searching in the database for ZPMs? Or even hooking up all the puddlejumpers to the main power grid to keep them shield running while they perform repairs on the power conduits? Let alone they try to put everyone in puddlejumpers, shut down the shield and then use their EVA suits to repair the damage done to the power conduits?
                        Well the evolution machine is a simple answer. First I have no idea where it was so it could have been in a depressurised part of the city. Second of all the effect is random. We could have had blobby McKay. Also, the machine's effect was gradual.l He wouldn't have been able to create a ZPM in time and we have no clue what constituent materials a ZPM is made of. Using project Acturas would have been an infinitly beter idea than that. The puddlejumper suggestion is another no go. People were seriously injured and the only place where they could receive treatment is in the tower. Shutting down the shield for the tower is essentially cripiling any medical services.
                        Speculation. I seem to recall numerous times where Atlantis needed the other two ZPM's, and Earth wouldn't give them up. However, this time Atlantis is on the verge of destruction, so... that's a different matter.
                        Once and not only that they would have gotten the two zpms but there wasn't enough time. Remember in that episode there was no reason to have the ZPMs until Rodney discovered the solar burst which was too late to recall both the ZPMs.
                        Most likely, they only have time to rig one Puddle Jumper.
                        McKay only rigged one Puddle Jumper and he wasn't even sure if it was going to work.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by technoextreme View Post
                          Well the evolution machine is a simple answer. First I have no idea where it was so it could have been in a depressurised part of the city. Second of all the effect is random. We could have had blobby McKay. Also, the machine's effect was gradual.l He wouldn't have been able to create a ZPM in time and we have no clue what constituent materials a ZPM is made of.
                          It's effects differ per person, since I distinctly recall being stated in the "Tao of Rodney" that it maps out the best evolutionary path for an individual based on his or her genetics. And since Rodney's genetics hasn't changed one bit since that episode it's safe to assume the effects would be the same every time you put him in it.

                          Also, it doesn't matter if the effects are gradual. They had time and since his intelligence increases exponentially he probably would've figured out a new way to reroute power before he reached near Ascended levels.

                          The puddlejumper suggestion is another no go. People were seriously injured and the only place where they could receive treatment is in the tower. Shutting down the shield for the tower is essentially cripiling any medical services.
                          Then use a puddlejumper shield to hold atmosphere inside the medical facilities and the control room and use another jumper or even a naquada generator to power the equipment. If a jumper's shield can hold back an ocean for some time before it gives out it should easily be capable of holding in the air for a long period of time until it gives out and by that time you already have a second jumper in place.
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                            Originally posted by Gregorius View Post
                            It's effects differ per person, since I distinctly recall being stated in the "Tao of Rodney" that it maps out the best evolutionary path for an individual based on his or her genetics. And since Rodney's genetics hasn't changed one bit since that episode it's safe to assume the effects would be the same every time you put him in it.

                            Also, it doesn't matter if the effects are gradual. They had time and since his intelligence increases exponentially he probably would've figured out a new way to reroute power before he reached near Ascended levels.



                            Then use a puddlejumper shield to hold atmosphere inside the medical facilities and the control room and use another jumper or even a naquada generator to power the equipment. If a jumper's shield can hold back an ocean for some time before it gives out it should easily be capable of holding in the air for a long period of time until it gives out and by that time you already have a second jumper in place.
                            ...but that would make for a rather boring and un-interesting plot, as they just wait to be rescued...
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                              Wow, hey, way to put a spoiler in teh title! A+

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