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GateWorld
September 26th, 2007, 05:48 PM
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Adrift in deep space with the city's protective shield failing, Dr. McKay and the team must do all they can to keep Atlantis alive. A radical injury threatens Dr. Weir's life.

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Lt.Colonel John Sheppard
September 28th, 2007, 07:01 PM
damn that was a bad ass premiere rodney called sheppard "john" they thinking about stealing a zpm bad ass.

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:03 PM
damn that was a bad ass premiere rodney called sheppard "john" they thinking about stealing a zpm bad ass.
True. I also like how Atlantis didn't make it through the asteroid belt unscathed. The city's been flooded, pelted with rocks, and hit with energy beams so far.

Mattathias2.0
September 28th, 2007, 07:03 PM
1. Like the new credits. Slightly altered with a couple clips of S3 in it :)

2. So sad about Dr. Weir until the end, but then I was happy to see her up at the end. I am so iffy about activating those Replicator nanites.

3. Loved the Jumper scene, and Radek & John's scene.

4. They are still screwed, and talk about an audicious plan. Should be interesting.

I currently have no rating because of "To be continued."

Ruffles
September 28th, 2007, 07:04 PM
That was AWESOME! Fabulous CGI (that jump across by Zelenka and Sheppard was unbelievable!). Great conflict between Sheppard and McKay. Incredibly sweet scene between Ronon and Weir.

I can't wait for next week!

Major_Griff
September 28th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Yeah awesome opener! I can't wait for the next ep! As soon as they started to talk about getting the ZPMs I was like "Awe yeah!" I can't wait for next week!

Sweetsong
September 28th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Ok you guys are on the ball, lol! Awesome episode, obviously the juicy parts are being left for part 2, but it was a nice season opener none the less.

I liked getting to see the softer side of Ronan, as he visisted Weir while she was in the hospital bed etc.

There were a few things I was confused about though. I really thought the minute the shield contracted that those exposed areas would sort of break apart. At the very least if their plan to jump to hyperspace had suceeded then that would have torn the city appart but that didn't seem to be an issue until the power outputs had dropped too low.

I was surpised to see Sam in the new credits already, even though they advertised it like crazy that she was joining the show I thought they would at least still wait a couple episodes before putting her there. Anyways, it was great overall. 9/10

IWantToBelieve
September 28th, 2007, 07:04 PM
It was very good, there was a great deal to love about it.

-- Sheppard having to remind Rodney "Hey, I need to know what's going on."

-- "If you dumb this down any more I'm gonna hit you."

-- How every time they surmounted one hurdle, it was, "Colonel Sheppard and Dr. McKay, report to the control center, please."

-- John and Rodney confrontation then getting over it.

-- John learning about Elizabeth's condition.

-- Ronon saying thank you.

-- FX, the asteroid shoot-out, the micro-astroids.

-- Midway Station, very cool.

-- the ending, a heist!

Ltcolshepjumper
September 28th, 2007, 07:08 PM
It was definitely much better with music and sfx. Lifeline will be better, though. Can't wait!

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:10 PM
Ok you guys are on the ball, lol! Awesome episode, obviously the juicy parts are being left for part 2, but it was a nice season opener none the less.

I liked getting to see the softer side of Ronan, as he visisted Weir while she was in the hospital bed etc.

There were a few things I was confused about though. I really thought the minute the shield contracted that those exposed areas would sort of break apart. At the very least if their plan to jump to hyperspace had suceeded then that would have torn the city appart but that didn't seem to be an issue until the power outputs had dropped too low.

I don't think that would make much sense for a safety protocol. Contracting the shields and destroy the city? It was also shown in the first episode Atlantis as a whole was very robust to extreme conditions like the high pressures and conditions of the ocean.

Briangate78
September 28th, 2007, 07:10 PM
One of the best season openers. The season is on it's way to being one of the best seasons to date.

smushybird
September 28th, 2007, 07:12 PM
This was a good start to the new season.

It was wonderful to see Sheppard and McKay going a little deeper than the usual banter. McKay's apology was sweet. I got a real sense of their friendship and I liked that. I was a little disappointed that our first "John" from Rodney was thrown in as if he's been saying it the past four years. That was a bit of a missed opportunity...not to mention a cop-out on the part of the writers, if you ask me.
But I was still glad to see and feel the deepening friendship, so I forgive the writers for being big chickens this time. :D

Teyla and Ronon and Zelenka were all excellent, too. Maybe it's just me, but I got a feeling of more maturity in the dialogue, something more solid and real about it than in seasons past. Everyone was working together so smartly and so determinedly. It came across well. I hope the writers continue in that style, strengthening and deepening character bonds.

It was great to see Sam and I'm looking forward to having her in Atlantis. Good to see her prominently in the credits, where she belongs.

creed462
September 28th, 2007, 07:12 PM
this season is getting good, but I hope they don't turn Weir evil, it has been done to often

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Definitely didn't live up to the hype they were promising. Predictable moves ... rehashed stories. No different outcome.

Hope Lifeline is better.

Xicer
September 28th, 2007, 07:13 PM
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

Definitely like the new opening credits, even though they are similar to season 2/3.

The Rodney/Sheppard tension was nicely done.

Loved the asteroids part! Great CGI!

Zelenka getting hit by a mini-asteroid was something I didn't expect.

Ronon's scene with Weir was really good too.

Liked the Carter/Lee banter.

RepliWeir. 'Nuff said.

A heist! On the replicator homeworld! w00t!

lol wow, there are already 39 people viewing this thread.

the fifth man
September 28th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Definitely not a let down, not one bit. This premiere was great from start to finish, with some really great computer graphics thrown in as well. I too can't wait to see what happens next week, along with more of Sam.:)

Sweetsong
September 28th, 2007, 07:16 PM
I don't think that would make much sense for a safety protocol. Contracting the shields and destroy the city? It was also shown in the first episode Atlantis as a whole was very robust to extreme conditions like the high pressures and conditions of the ocean.

This was taken from season 1's "The Storm" according to Mckay...

McKAY: The people who built this city knew they had a forcefield capable of holding back anything Mother Nature or, for that matter, the Wraith could throw at them. Without that protection, Atlantis is remarkably fragile.

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Definitely didn't live up to the hype they were promising. Predictable moves ... rehashed stories. No different outcome.

Hope Lifeline is better.
How is that rehashed? There certainly was parts that I wasn't expecting like having parts of the city essentially gone.

This was taken from season 1's "The Storm" according to Mckay...

McKAY: The people who built this city knew they had a forcefield capable of holding back anything Mother Nature or, for that matter, the Wraith could throw at them. Without that protection, Atlantis is remarkably fragile.
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The problem with that logic is that the city experience the most significant amount of forces in the first episode. Not only that but there are no forces to rip the city apart in space. Projectiles? Yes.

Darth kat
September 28th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Great season opener! I've been telling all my sci-fi/geek friends that I have a feeling that season will be great and it definitely started out great.

Loved the Ronon/Weir "Thank you" scene. Very impressed with the CGI scene when Shep and Radek jumped the gap.

10/10!

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:18 PM
How is that rehashed? There certainly was parts that I wasn't expecting like having parts of the city essentially gone.

Sorry should rephrase that -- taken from other shows. Yes they didn't have a city -- they had ships.

Anyway -- waiting for next one before I make up my mind. Dialogs seemed strained. John was too tanned ... and I am a HUGE JS fan. Very orangey.

BigPharaoh
September 28th, 2007, 07:19 PM
Hmmm, I hate to be the 'negative' person here, but did anyone else think the jeopardy was a little contrived? It was like they solved a problem, and then "DANGER DANGER" all over again a zillion and one times, to the point where it felt kinda forced. And all the scenes with Carter and Dr. Lee had a very inserted feel to them, they didn't seem flow with the rest of the episode and were pretty obvious introduction pieces for Carter.

the fifth man
September 28th, 2007, 07:20 PM
I have to admit, I was very concerned about Zelenka when he got struck by that asteroid fragment. Very glad to see he ended up ok.:)

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:21 PM
Hmmm, I hate to be the 'negative' person here, but did anyone else think the jeopardy was a little contrived? It was like they solved a problem, and then "DANGER DANGER" all over again a zillion and one times, to the point where it felt kinda forced. And all the scenes with Carter and Dr. Lee had a very inserted feel to them, they didn't seem flow with the rest of the episode and were pretty obvious introduction pieces for Carter.

No you're not the only one. There's me too. So out of place! Again, waiting for the next one to make a decision.

Dromag67
September 28th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Definitely didn't live up to the hype they were promising. Predictable moves ... rehashed stories. No different outcome.

Hope Lifeline is better.

When was the last time a wave of puddle jumpers shot through an asteroid field to clear a path for Atlantis?

I'm glad I don't read spoilers or watch unfinished episodes.

It usually takes the predictability out of it.

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Hmmm, I hate to be the 'negative' person here, but did anyone else think the jeopardy was a little contrived? It was like they solved a problem, and then "DANGER DANGER" all over again a zillion and one times, to the point where it felt kinda forced. And all the scenes with Carter and Dr. Lee had a very inserted feel to them, they didn't seem flow with the rest of the episode and were pretty obvious introduction pieces for Carter.
Ehhh.. I don't think it was contrived just simply what happens when you face a major problem. A thousand other ones pop up to hamper your progress.

Xicer
September 28th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Well I suppose I have to agree a little bit that the Carter/Lee scenes seemed a bit out of place, but I still liked them. ;) From what I've been hearing about Lifeline, it seems like Adrift and Lifeline are pretty much like a two-parter so it's very likely that the Carter/Lee scenes will play an important role in the next episode.

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:24 PM
When was the last time a wave of puddle jumpers shot through an asteroid field to clear a path for Atlantis?

I'm glad I don't read spoilers or watch unfinished episodes.

It usually takes the predictability out of it.
Maybe no puddle jumper, but I can probably think of 10 Startrek episodes shooting through an astoroid field. Was that part even necessary? Why not just go back to when they repli's were shooting and parts of city was destroyed then? It was stretched out almost. I did not watch the epi prior to tonight -- was waiting to see the big deal.

smushybird
September 28th, 2007, 07:25 PM
-- "If you dumb this down any more I'm gonna hit you."


At least Sheppard warned him this time, instead of just giving him the head-smack. :)

Iguana775
September 28th, 2007, 07:25 PM
I guess I didnt think it was that great. It was a good opener with a few cool parts but nothing that made me say "WOW, that's pretty sweet!!" 4-02 sounds like it will be a lot cooler and a lot more action packed.

So, is Carter's 'new ship' supposed to show up in 4-02?

Jackie
September 28th, 2007, 07:26 PM
Yep, SGA has resurfaced with a fresh breath of air. Beginning to feel more like a classic Stargate ep. Looking forward to next weeks episode.

I will miss Dr. Weir but I am glad she is getting a really good send off. I was afraid it would be another "sunday" type ep.

lirenel
September 28th, 2007, 07:27 PM
So great! I loved the puddlejumper fleet, especially all the nervous scientists who, nevermind how terrified they were, still braved the asteroid belt.

Other things I liked:

- Rodney and John arguing over Weir. One wanting desperately to save Elizabeth no matter what, the other wanting to do what Elizabeth would want.

- Rodney encouraging Radek before the spacewalk. I think we saw a lot more of the caring Rodney this episode. Maybe he hit his head harder than we thought. :D

- Ronon saying thanks to Elizabeth.

Things that made me go "eh?":

- Weir's hair was shaved off. Apparently the nanites replaced it. Was there any particular reason that Rodney/Keller/the nanites thought that replacing Weir's hair was a priority?

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:27 PM
Maybe no puddle jumper, but I can probably think of 10 Startrek episodes shooting through an astoroid field. Was that part even necessary? Why not just go back to when they repli's were shooting and parts of city was destroyed then? It was stretched out almost. I did not watch the epi prior to tonight -- was waiting to see the big deal.
You can't really make the comparison though. I don't think there ever was an Star Trek episode where the ship had to basically fight it's way out of an asteroid field or basically have the ship destroyed. Even then the outcome probably wasn't like Atlantis' where it was a mixed bag.

Briangate78
September 28th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Definitely didn't live up to the hype they were promising. Predictable moves ... rehashed stories. No different outcome.

Hope Lifeline is better.

Are you sure you weren't watching Flash Gordon again? :p Because this ep was one of the best season openers to date, imo

Sweetsong
September 28th, 2007, 07:28 PM
The problem with that logic is that the city experience the most significant amount of forces in the first episode. Not only that but there are no forces to rip the city apart in space. Projectiles? Yes.

If they jumped to hyperspeed with only the control tower shielded, maybe I don't understand space physics that much but wouldn't velocity physics demand that the unprotected areas be torn apart? Given that traveling at light speed is as fast as we understand it to be?

ann_sgcfan
September 28th, 2007, 07:30 PM
Good premiere! I liked how in the writers integrated the dangers of the City and the condition of Dr. Weir at the same time in the beginning. Really felt for Weir and the reaction from the other characters. I liked how Ronon went into visit her. I Liked Keller's idea of using the nanites, brings another level of intensity wondering what will happen to Weir.

Sheppard and Zelenka space jump was pretty cool! Loved the view from above them and then came back in to a closeup on the other side! poor Zelenka getting shot... ouch. Glad he is ok

I liked seeing Carter and Dr. Lee hashing out a way to find Atlantis...Their floating around in the space station was pretty cool too... wonder how they did that.

I'm wondering how they will get out of this one! Loved the interaction between all the characters... Next week looks intense looking forward to it. :D

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:30 PM
Are you sure you weren't watching Flash Gordon again? :p Because this ep was one of the best season openers to date, imo

It is possible I fell asleep :) Seeing John's orange tan made me blind? ;)

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:31 PM
If they jumped to hyperspeed with only the control tower shielded, maybe I don't understand space physics that much but wouldn't velocity physics demand that the unprotected areas be torn apart? Given that traveling at light speed is as fast as we understand it to be?
Not really. I only go by what the characters say and if they had enough power they could have jumped to hyperspace. Zelenka said it was a crap shot with low power levels.

prion
September 28th, 2007, 07:31 PM
I put my review/comments up at my LJ at

http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/119315.html

only cuz it's too much work to copy it here as it also contains 22 screencaps of my favorite bits and pieces from the episode (so, lots of Shep and McKay and Zelenka).

Very good episode, and wait till you see next week's!! :)

er, someone said

- Weir's hair was shaved off. Apparently the nanites replaced it. Was there any particular reason that Rodney/Keller/the nanites thought that replacing Weir's hair was a priority?

Hell yes! Hair is a priority! ;)

Briangate78
September 28th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Well i think it's very dark what they are doing to Weir. I kinda like it. Should be very interesting how it plays out. Next week's ep I think is going to be even better.

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:33 PM
- Weir's hair was shaved off. Apparently the nanites replaced it. Was there any particular reason that Rodney/Keller/the nanites thought that replacing Weir's hair was a priority
Maybe it wasn't a priority but the nanites are just that dam good at getting the job done.

Ruined_puzzle
September 28th, 2007, 07:36 PM
It is possible I fell asleep :) Seeing John's orange tan made me blind? ;)

LMAO. Ilu.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
September 28th, 2007, 07:37 PM
Good premiere. Can't wait for the heist next week. Loved the visual effects, I'm glad I didn't watch it (aka download the leaked episode) before the premiere, it was more enjoyable with the sound effects and the music. It wasn't the best episode, I guess the set my standards too high because I thought it was going to be a lot better. I blame Joe for setting my standards too high for the premiere.

Only one episode has aired this season, I just hope it as good as Joe says it's going to be.

Xicer
September 28th, 2007, 07:37 PM
lol well what I thought was funny was that Weir's hair looked exactly the same as it did before it was shaved off. I dunno, I guess maybe when the nanites were reactivated they tried to return her to the same state she was in the last time they were active?

prion
September 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM
You can't really make the comparison though. I don't think there ever was an Star Trek episode where the ship had to basically fight it's way out of an asteroid field or basically have the ship destroyed. Even then the outcome probably wasn't like Atlantis' where it was a mixed bag.

Think the only situation I can equate to a dangerous asteroid field is too much clumped kitty litter, and well, hmm, that might be more dangerous and definitely noxious, that's for sure! *cough*

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM
I put my review/comments up at my LJ at

http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/119315.html

only cuz it's too much work to copy it here as it also contains 22 screencaps of my favorite bits and pieces from the episode (so, lots of Shep and McKay and Zelenka).

Very good episode, and wait till you see next week's!! :)

er, someone said


Hell yes! Hair is a priority! ;)
Specially when it has to battle for prominence over John's :P

the fifth man
September 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM
Maybe it wasn't a priority but the nanites are just that dam good at getting the job done.

Hell yeah, they are.:) They couldn't have her walking around all bald and stuff.;)

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Hell yeah, they are.:) They couldn't have her walking around all bald and stuff.;)
Or you know the hole in her skull.:)

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:44 PM
Or you know the hole in her skull.:)

Everyone must be perfectly coiffed even in battle. Nanites know that.

luvmac
September 28th, 2007, 07:46 PM
It wasn't the best episode, I guess the set my standards too high because I thought it was going to be a lot better. I blame Joe for setting my standards too high for the premiere.

Only one episode has aired this season, I just hope it as good as Joe says it's going to be.

I was slightly disappointed too. Tonight was my first time seeing the episode but I think with all the talk surrounding the episode I thought it would be so much more than what I saw. It definately wasn't on par with Rising 1 & 2 nor Siege III.

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 07:47 PM
I was slightly disappointed too. Tonight was my first time seeing the episode but I think with all the talk surrounding the episode I thought it would be so much more than what I saw. It definately wasn't on par with Rising 1 & 2 nor Siege III.

I agree with you. After ALL that hype, and waiting patiently to watch the episode, it was truly like a soft let down. EH .. haven't given up completely yet -- let's see what next week brings.

luvmac
September 28th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I agree with you. After ALL that hype, and waiting patiently to watch the episode, it was truly like a soft let down. EH .. haven't given up completely yet -- let's see what next week brings.

Yeah, I'm hoping next week will be a vast improvement The vibe I get from most people that's already seen it is that it's a lot better episode. If I get a lot of action I can get past a show not having a lot of story but I didn't really think that this epi. had much of either. With a potential raid on the Asuran homeworld at least next week holds the promise of a lot of action (and hopeful more story).

Mitchell82
September 28th, 2007, 07:56 PM
WOW! Very glad I didn't see the unfinished ep. This was a great ep from start to finish. I loved all the drama, sudden danger Zelenka getting injured John being very concerned over Rodney healing Weir. Loved the conflict between the two. Definatly love Keller. Jewel did a great job and really made me love her character. Loved the Carter/Lee scenes. I was wondering how that would play out it was done superbly well. Excellent visuals, music the whole nine yards. Very well could be the best season opener ever. 10/10 from me and can't wait till next week.

Deejay435
September 28th, 2007, 07:59 PM
I liked this episode very much.

I can't decide if my favorite part was John's reaction to Rodney activating Elizabeth's nanite's, or Rodney's comparison of the jumper strategy to playing Asteroids. (That's the sentimental favorite, I think, because I was really bad at that game too!)

I liked that John had such a strong reaction to Rodney turning on the nanites. I liked Rodney's decision, storyline-wise, don't get me wrong. It showed such a deep side of him, and his ability to really connect with people these days. But it was a huge risk, that he shouldn't have taken. It was a dangerous act of desperation. But I was so glad that John didn't approve. The fact that it was a risk needed to be brought out. I liked that John was willing to use an EM pulse to turn them off again. I liked that Elizabeth herself said it was a bad idea. I'm glad there was conflict over it, because it was such a risky thing to do. That was a great scene.

Then again, so was Sheppard hurling poor Radek across space!

For me the episode was very intense, it really had me empathizing with the crew.

I enjoyed the Sam and Doctor Lee moments too.

technoextreme
September 28th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I'm hoping next week will be a vast improvement The vibe I get from most people that's already seen it is that it's a lot better episode. If I get a lot of action I can get past a show not having a lot of story but I didn't really think that this epi. had much of either. With a potential raid on the Asuran homeworld at least next week holds the promise of a lot of action (and hopeful more story).
I don't quite get what you mean by story unless you mean plot but then it wouldn't make any sense.

Captain-Peregrine
September 28th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Whoo-hoo! I have to say, I LOVED this opening episode. It was so weird seeing the new credits--no Beckett AND no Weir--and I am still a bit apprehensive to see this new season, but so far I am really looking forward to it. I am really happy they didn't just kill Elizabeth off--though it sounded like they weren't doing it anyway--and I am actually interested to see how they take this new replicator-Weir story arch (just can't do the same thing with Weir that you can with Carter, lol).

The special effects were AWESOME! The whole thing with the astroids and the puddlejumpers--neat! And though it is so sad when Atlantis gets the crap beaten out of it, it is nice to know that our fair city is not invincible. Seeing Zelenka and Sheppard jump across that gap was awesome, though I so saw the hole-through-the-space-suit thing. But, still, never a bad move. Always a jaw-clencher!

I loved that McKay fought to save Elizabeth's life with the replicators and that Sheppard actually paid attention when Rodney apologized--and how often do we hear THAT?

Seeing the city fly is always cool and Carter with long hair--super cute. And what a plan--right into the enemy's lair to get ZPM's. I hope they pull that off. How freaking cool would that be?

The thing in the beginning with the shrinking shield and the people trapped outside it was so sad.

And Chuck officially has a name! Whoo-hoo!

All in all this episode was AMAZING! If they keep up like this, I AM looking forward to season four.

KnightCrusader
September 28th, 2007, 08:04 PM
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

Definitely like the new opening credits, even though they are similar to season 2/3.

The Rodney/Sheppard tension was nicely done.

Loved the asteroids part! Great CGI!

Zelenka getting hit by a mini-asteroid was something I didn't expect.

Ronon's scene with Weir was really good too.

Liked the Carter/Lee banter.

RepliWeir. 'Nuff said.

A heist! On the replicator homeworld! w00t!

lol wow, there are already 39 people viewing this thread.

Crap... someone beat me to the 'RepliWeir' comment! Oh well, at least it answers my question of where Weir is going to be in Season 4. I wonder if this would do anything to bridge the Asurans and the Humans point of view on each other... probably not though...

Oranos
September 28th, 2007, 08:05 PM
I must say that I was almost hesitant about watching "Adrift". Wasn't thrilled with Seasons 2 and 3, there were some good episodes in each, but not many, IMO. In the end, though, I found the episode to be quite good; especially liked the whole Sheppard/McKay conflict scene over the nanites. In terms of rankings, I'd probably give it an 8/10; on the right track. Next week looks to be good too, so I'm actually getting excited about Atlantis again.

LoneStar1836
September 28th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Not bad. Decided to go with the flow and try not to prejudge this season as my overall enjoyment of SGA has wained the last two years...thus I have pretty much abandoned reading/posting in the Stargate folders/sections on GW. While I still have some quibbles with this episode, I thought it was pretty well done for SGA standards and am looking forward to the next episode. Too bad they couldn't have had a two hour season opener.

Enjoyed most of the characters in this ep. though I'm still peeved about Carson and will probably never like this new doctor. I thought JF and DH did a nice job, and I didn't find McKay obnoxious and over the top in this one. Carter's introduction (and scenes) seemed unneeded in this ep but I am looking forward to her being on SGA.

I wish Skiffy would have done a season 3 marathon instead of showing random season 1 episodes today because I hardly remember what happened last season, especially in the season finally.

ToasterOnFire
September 28th, 2007, 08:08 PM
I thought it was more of an average ep than a highly touted season premiere. Not bad, but not excellent either.

Tons of Shep and McKay doing stuff while Ronon and Teyla largely sit around or react, much like a typical SGA ep. Keller didn't do much to grab my interest one way or the other. No real sense of danger since I knew they weren't going to lose the city. Carter and Lee felt thrown into the ep and didn't serve much of a purpose. The fact that the closest world with a ZPM happened to be the Asuran one, and right after Weir was nanited again, felt like extreme plot convenience to set up next week's ep.

I thought they could have gone 2 eps before dumping TH from the credits. :rolleyes:

I liked the CGI with Shep and Zelenka and Ronon's scene with Weir. I liked seeing Ellis again.

I miss having some guy in the background going "BOOM!" :D

vaberella
September 28th, 2007, 08:08 PM
9.5/10

Well upon viewing I thought it was an overall fantastic ep, although it ended making feel as though things are unfnished. But I guess that was the point. I really liked the story and the characters were totally believable in the situation.

:sheppard: I have to start off with Shep. He was fantastic. Now I liked JF like the next girl. But I have to say I never felt he was given anything to really shine when you see him in Adrift. The character is raw, John's face literally made me cry. He didn't need too many words to give us the emotion that was needed. Just the look on his face when Keller said what would happen to Weir. It spoke volumes. JF had tears in his eyes. It was..."wow."

:mckay::sheppard: In response to McShep. I felt this was a perfect moment to show that McShep has reached a certain level of maturity. They took this far more seriously than we've seen between them. And the moments were intense and driving. I really got that John would hit McKay. Finally the growth needed, hopefully this is sustained throughout the season. What was good, is that they also maintained a bit of normal McShep sarcastic humor. But overall, the moments were intense between them.

:weir: Meh...not much to say here. She was right...and I agree with John, McKay should never have reactivated the nanites. I am trying to figure out how she went from bald to head full of hair, and yet she looked aged and old. I'm trying to figure out how that worked out.

:mckay: Belligerent and rather annoying for me. He saw no real level of reason from what John said; but on another note I find this is realistic to McKay. He has proven time and time again to go to far ends to in protection and defense of Weir. Again, I loved her moments with John they were just great. Plus, my man rocked the PJ. Wicked! :D

:teyla: Ten sentences that's about it. But I can see this since in this scenario she's watching over the personnel as John is all over the base and Rodney is busy with the many disatrous and broken parts of Atlantis. Ronon and Weir were incapcitated so this works. It was good they had her talk to Weir, for whatever 30 seconds we saw that and the moment was a bit rough and far from happy.

:ronan: The Ronon/Weir moment may keep Ronon/Weir shippers happy for a small period of time. :D Although I found it weird, it was sweet and endearing. Ronon was great, and this is just another aspect to his many personalities. This character so bloody well developed, it's just impressive. He didn't seem out of character, even if it was interesting.

Keller: Okay, small problem. I kept having a problem with her delivery, but I think it's because I kept comparing her to Carson. The sensitivity and urgency I'm used to with Carson, I'm missing here. But overall I realize that Keller doesn't have the same relationship with Weir that Carson had, so I guess taht's normal. But still the delivery wasn't what I expected.

Other than the actor perfomances the cgi's were cool, the cool PJ usage was wicked. Great opener. Absolutely best opener I've seen yet for SGA in my opinion...yes I think it was better than Rising.


**By the way I want to send some props to JM for adding the lady of African Descent that I had specifically asked for back around February/March. It could have been coincidence..but darnit I was shocked. Pleasantly!! :D



9.5/10

prion
September 28th, 2007, 08:09 PM
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Weir discovers the day spa at Atlantis isn't what it's cracked up to be

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Not bad. Decided to go with the flow and try not to prejudge this season as my overall enjoyment of SGA has wained the last two years...thus I have pretty much abandoned reading/posting in the Stargate folders/sections on GW. While I still have some quibbles with this episode, I thought it was pretty well done for SGA standards and am looking forward to the next episode. Too bad they couldn't have had a two hour season opener.

Enjoyed most of the characters in this ep. though I'm still peeved about Carson and will probably never like this new doctor. I thought JF and DH did a nice job, and I didn't find McKay obnoxious and over the top in this one. Carter's introduction (and scenes) seemed unneeded in this ep but I am looking forward to her being on SGA.

I wish Skiffy would have done a season 3 marathon instead of showing random season 1 episodes today because I hardly remember what happened last season, especially in the season finally.

I really think that would've been a good move - but they aren't the sharpest bunch some days. So who knows.

luvmac
September 28th, 2007, 08:11 PM
I don't quite get what you mean by story unless you mean plot but then it wouldn't make any sense.

Plot/story. I guess the whole "city in danger floating aimlessly in space" story/plot didn't really get my interest. The whole time I didn't get the sense of suspense of "what's going to happen/how are they going to get out of it" that I did with episodes like Rising and Siege II/III. There were a lot of elements of surprise and/or suspense like the failsafe mechanism saving Atlantis from being destroyed in Rising or the Daedalus beaming Shepard out of the jumper when it looked like he would be toast. I don't know I just didn't feel that watching this episode. There was a problem and they pretty much just explained what they were going to do to solve it, solved it, then okay time for next problem to pop up. Wash, rinse, repeat. Like I said, I'm hoping that Lifeline is going to be so much better.

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 08:12 PM
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Weir discovers the day spa at Atlantis isn't what it's cracked up to be

:lol: I wish I had nanites to gimme a facial.

Jackie
September 28th, 2007, 08:13 PM
My only complaint is the time slot. 10 pm is too late. Should be on at 9 instead of flashy.

vaberella
September 28th, 2007, 08:15 PM
:lol: I wish I had nanites to gimme a facial.

I would want my money back. They didn't do a good job. And I find Weir/TH the actress, no matter my problems with the character, to be an extremely beautiful lady. But the lighting in that room. It just wasn't good for her. :( I was pretty peeved by that because I expected the nanites to make her look like she did at the end of The Real World.

prion
September 28th, 2007, 08:16 PM
lol well what I thought was funny was that Weir's hair looked exactly the same as it did before it was shaved off. I dunno, I guess maybe when the nanites were reactivated they tried to return her to the same state she was in the last time they were active?

If you could just market nanites for hair styling, you'd be wealthier than Oprah.... ;) Yeah, I guess the nanites have a memory. WOuld make it tough to change your hairstyle though, I suppose, but you wouldn't ahve to worry about it going gray or falling out.

meredithchandler73
September 28th, 2007, 08:16 PM
I am in the camp that says, "AWESOME season premiere!" Several people have already listed all the stuff I really loved about this episode, so I won't repeat. I'll just say that it was exciting and intense (I have been carefully trying to stay away from spoilers).

Looking forward to more Carter.

suse
September 28th, 2007, 08:21 PM
I loved the special effect of the shield shrinking past all those closing doors. :( Those poor technicians!

That was a nice bit with Ronon talking to an unconscious Elizabeth.

Rodney: I once scored zero on Astroids. :lol:


Overall I liked this ep.

Color me shocked that some actors/extras were actually of Asian and African descent. Finally.

suse

rarocks24
September 28th, 2007, 08:23 PM
It was epic. However,

Lifeline is going to beat out Adrift in terms of uberness. It will be one of the most epic episodes ever produced....EVER

Mattathias2.0
September 28th, 2007, 08:23 PM
I was fine with Weir having all her hair.

Basically, this episode is not really different from No Man's Land in terms of TBC. I remember folks also said that episode seemed rushed, among other things - but it's a three-parter (obviously). The story isn't finished yet. This is also why I won't rate it until Lifeline airs.

I don't mind how Carter was reintroduced.

I'm really looking forward to Lifeline and Reunion!

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 08:26 PM
[QUOTE=vaberella]

Well upon viewing I thought it was an overall fantastic ep, although it ended making feel as though things are unfnished. But I guess that was the point. I really liked the story and the characters were totally believable in the situation.


:sheppard: I have to start off with Shep. He was fantastic. Now I liked JF like the next girl. But I have to say I never felt he was given anything to really shine when you see him in Adrift. The character is raw, John's face literally made me cry. He didn't need too many words to give us the emotion that was needed. Just the look on his face when Keller said what would happen to Weir. It spoke volumes. JF had tears in his eyes. It was..."wow."

I loved how he delivered it. As a Shep/Weir shipper I was happy.


:mckay::sheppard: In response to McShep. I felt this was a perfect moment to show that McShep has reached a certain level of maturity. They took this far more seriously than we've seen between them. And the moments were intense and driving. I really got that John would hit McKay. Finally the growth needed, hopefully this is sustained throughout the season. What was good, is that they also maintained a bit of normal McShep sarcastic humor. But overall, the moments were intense between them.

Definite maturity in how they handled each other here. After the initial comment from John, they were in sync, well other than how to handle Weir.


:weir: Meh...not much to say here. She was right...and I agree with John, McKay should never have reactivated the nanites. I am trying to figure out how she went from bald to head full of hair, and yet she looked aged and old. I'm trying to figure out how that worked out.

She didn't look old to me, but the hair freaked me out a bit.


:mckay: Belligerent and rather annoying for me. He saw no real level of reason from what John said; but on another note I find this is realistic to McKay. He has proven time and time again to go to far ends to in protection and defense of Weir. Again, I loved her moments with John they were just great. Plus, my man rocked the PJ. Wicked! :D

McKay was McKay.


:teyla: Ten sentences that's about it. But I can see this since in this scenario she's watching over the personnel as John is all over the base and Rodney is busy with the many disatrous and broken parts of Atlantis. Ronon and Weir were incapcitated so this works. It was good they had her talk to Weir, for whatever 30 seconds we saw that and the moment was a bit rough and far from happy.

Again, was she really in this episode?


:ronan: The Ronon/Weir moment may keep Ronon/Weir shippers happy for a small period of time. :D Although I found it weird, it was sweet and endearing. Ronon was great, and this is just another aspect to his many personalities. This character so bloody well developed, it's just impressive. He didn't seem out of character, even if it was interesting.

So awakard! Specially him bending down to tell her thanks. It felt strange. I dunno.


Keller: Okay, small problem. I kept having a problem with her delivery, but I think it's because I kept comparing her to Carson. The sensitivity and urgency I'm used to with Carson, I'm missing here. But overall I realize that Keller doesn't have the same relationship with Weir that Carson had, so I guess taht's normal. But still the delivery wasn't what I expected.

WOW. And I thought I was projecting my feelings about Carson's departure on the whole line delivery thing. Hope it gets better as the season progress.

<snip>

justhere1971
September 28th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I would want my money back. They didn't do a good job. And I find Weir/TH the actress, no matter my problems with the character, to be an extremely beautiful lady. But the lighting in that room. It just wasn't good for her. :( I was pretty peeved by that because I expected the nanites to make her look like she did at the end of The Real World.

That would have made too much sense.

zuz
September 28th, 2007, 08:33 PM
I loved Zelenka in this episode so much.

LOLed at Rodney's shocked expression when he realized that Zelenka and his team had found out the solution to their problem without his input. :lol:

Zelenka's and Shep's spacewalk and "spacetoss"...just awesome.

Zelenka insisting on staying and finishing the repairs after he was hit by the mini-asteroid... :zelenka: so rocks

Irish Eyes
September 28th, 2007, 08:49 PM
I thought it was obvious why Elizabeth's hair looked the same. That's how Rodney likes it! He did re-program the nanites after all... ;)

vaberella
September 28th, 2007, 08:59 PM
I loved how he delivered it. As a Shep/Weir shipper I was happy.
Dunno, didn't see it shippery. I'm sure Teyla would cry as well if Weir were to die/ or react similarly if in the same position as John...but then there are Teyla/Weir shippers. So...meh. I thought the intensity was great, and realistic especially after dealing with the still sudden death of Carson, then John watching 3 of his men die, and then having the weight of all of Atlantis. Seeing your friend in bad shape and near death like that...that's raw. John must have felt totally pwned!! :S


Definite maturity in how they handled each other here. After the initial comment from John, they were in sync, well other than how to handle Weir.
Yup, one of my key moments in seeing the transition of the McShep relationship. Stupidity and comedy only work so far, it's better when in a serious life or death situation to have serious reactions. Thank you JM and PM and the writers for writing it down and the great acting from DH/JF for carrying that across to the aduience.


She didn't look old to me, but the hair freaked me out a bit.
She looked bad. I wasn't pleased. Again, as I said TH is uber gorgeous. But she looked awful after that nanite thing, which didn't make sense...as I said she looked good after the whole nanite thing in TRW. Whatever though...


McKay was McKay.
Maybe so.


Again, was she really in this episode?
But the same could be said about Ronon. In those instances those characters can't give much to the storyline. Seriously, I'm not here to watch them throw characters in a scene and hope they fit. They did that many times to Weir and Carson...when they were not necessary. If you don't need them, don't use them. And they didn't need her as much since the situations didn't call from her line of expertise. When they do, I'm sure we'll see Teyla. We are after all expect to see an entire seasonal arc. So again, despite her tiny bit of lines, I thought she had a lot of camera air (just not saying much); anyway I trust JM and PM and the writers to give us more of her later on. So I found her presence again realistic in respect to the situation.


So awakard! Specially him bending down to tell her thanks. It felt strange. I dunno.
Agreed, I did find it awkward as well. But, I just didn't see it as OOC or OTT for Ronon. That's why I gave him so much kudos.


WOW. And I thought I was projecting my feelings about Carson's departure on the whole line delivery thing. Hope it gets better as the season progress.

Well I think it started off great and with an amazing bang. But as I said, I found her delivery weak, but that's on my own expectations and a bit of bias.

**Well I'm off to sip some soju before bed. :S

Sweetsong
September 28th, 2007, 09:05 PM
Correct me if I"m wrong, but judging from the adds I've seen for BSG they are going to show 2 episodes one right after the other for their season premiere. Why did they not do this with SGA? I think the response would have been much better had they tied Adrift and Lifeline together.

beneaththeblue
September 28th, 2007, 09:06 PM
I thought it was a very good episode. But once again I'm wondering-why is Dr. Lee still employed by the SGC? Has he ever come up with a good idea? Other than the "twilight bark"? :)

Weir is history, I'm afraid, no matter what vague comments TPTB may make about her possibly returning in Season 5. First they Wraithify Ford, now they Replify Weir, and I'm betting the outcome will be the same, which makes me sad.

Vala_M
September 28th, 2007, 09:15 PM
Loved every minute! The jumper scene was great, the CG was much better than in the "leaked" episodes.

Except who is going to fix that broken tower in Atlantis now? Or is it going to stay broken?

Vala,

Mattathias2.0
September 28th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Loved every minute! The jumper scene was great, the CG was much better than in the "leaked" episodes.

Except who is going to fix that broken tower in Atlantis now? Or is it going to stay broken?

Vala,

The Replicators? That's how they solved it the last time, lol.


I thought it was a very good episode. But once again I'm wondering-why is Dr. Lee still employed by the SGC? Has he ever come up with a good idea? Other than the "twilight bark"? :)

Weir is history, I'm afraid, no matter what vague comments TPTB may make about her possibly returning in Season 5. First they Wraithify Ford, now they Replify Weir, and I'm betting the outcome will be the same, which makes me sad.

I never stopped wondering... What else comes to mind that questions that? Hmmmm, how about The Scorge, Arthur's Mantle, The Return Part 1?

I hope not. I like weir better than Ford.

tsaxlady
September 28th, 2007, 09:17 PM
Over all I enjoyed tonights episode. Loved the Sheperd/Zelenka scene.

The episode did leave me wanting to tune in next week to see what happens.

I just really want to see more of Teyla and Ronon and less of the Sheperd/Rodney show this season.

darman
September 28th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Great ep.

Seems like producers watched season 3 and are trying to stay away from the holes they were constantly falling into last season.

One little nitpick: McKay just figuring out how to program a piece of advanced alien technology to repair human flesh is a bit of a reach.

angrytoe
September 28th, 2007, 09:25 PM
did anyone else watch on direct tv on the west coast at 9pm? i thought it was weird that it aired an hour early. I turned on the tv and there was only 10 mins left. Was it just me? Was anyone else watching on direct tv satellite?

Heaven
September 28th, 2007, 09:33 PM
weak. very weak.

Sheppard was like a moron
Teyla was as annoying as ever
Carter and Lee, what the hell was that? they felt like a commercial break
the CGI felt so fake
the midway set and CGI were horrendous
are McKey and Zalenka the only two competent people in the city?

on the bright side Ronon was great

hope Lifeline is (a lot) better

tsaxlady
September 28th, 2007, 09:41 PM
did anyone else watch on direct tv on the west coast at 9pm? i thought it was weird that it aired an hour early. I turned on the tv and there was only 10 mins left. Was it just me? Was anyone else watching on direct tv satellite?

I did but I watched the 7:00 pm feed, which is one of the things I like about having Direct and living on the West Coast. We get the East Coast feeds so you can watch the 10:00 pm EST showing at 7:00 PM :)

ColCaldwell
September 28th, 2007, 09:53 PM
And with the addition of Carter, the downfall of the Stargate franchise continues.

Freekzilla
September 28th, 2007, 10:02 PM
Eh, I was hoping for something more. It was better than I expected, but not as good as I had hoped. But I would certainly take any episode like this over one like Irresistable. I'm a little suprized that this in only a part two of three. I would have thought that this episode would have resolved the cliff hanger from last season. They seem to be doing more two and three part episodes than they used to in the franchise.

It was good to see Zelenka do something rather than being yelled at or complained about by Rodney. I just got so sick of that happening all the time.

The Carter-Lee scenes did feel a bit disconnected and rushed. I would have thought that there would be more people there, not just two people. There may have been more, it just seemed that there was only 2 people there. The one thing I did not like is, Carter can now modify Asgard technology too? Let's see, she's mastered Goa'uld, Ancient, and now Asgard technologies? Give me a break! Not believable at all. of all the SG characters, the Earth ones, it seems that 99% of all advancements have come from 2 people, Carter and McKay. Give someone else a chance for cryin out loud! Jeez!

Ronon was done well, if a bit sparce. It was nice to see his softer side, and the reason and motivations for being so intense and loyal to Weir, Shepard and the expedition. As he said it himself, he knows that he may not have been alive now if it hadn't of been for them. Although, I would have liked to see a little more emotion from him, and then snapping back to tough guy machismo when someone was around.

Sheppard and McKay were ok. It was great to see Sheppard tell Rodney that if he dumbed it down any further he hit him. I guess Sheppard got tired of Rodney patronizing him finally. I personally would have shot Rodney by now. I suspect the fact that they couldn't remotely shut down the systems is in large part due to Rodney's modifications from "The Tao of Rodney". Smooth move ex-lax. For being so brilliant, he's not to smart. There needs to be some repurcusions from Rodney disobeying Sheppard's orders. Shep said no, but Rodney did it anyways. Come on Shep, I wanna see you slap Rodney around a bit. The one good part to Carter coming in, is that she'll have to deal with Rodney and hopefully Shep will get a little vacation from Rodney's over bearing arrogance and disrespect.

Keller was dreadfull. She just seemed so awkward in her scenes. Her dialogue relied to heavily on big fancy words. She still seems waaay tooo young to be good enough to be on the expedition, let alone a doctor at all. And what happened to the old infirmery? This one was different. Was the old one blown up in Sunday? They didn't explain this at all. Also, she had the same facial expression the entire episode, this dumb blank look on her face.

Teyla's part was, like Ronon's, a bit on the lite side. But atleast they had her doing something. Better than just standing there like a statue like they normally have her.

The jumper scene was good. A bunch of those things can do quite a bit of damage.

Now, here are my nit picks:

1.) Why wasn't the Apollo tracking the city the whole time? They should have been right behind them the whole way. They could have stayed out of range of the Sat weapon yet followed the city as it went into hyperspace. They knew that the city was tight on energy, so they should have stayed close by just in case. Even if they couldn't be within sight, they could have been within sensor range. That would have helped narrow down the range that they would have had to search. This just points to bad tactical and military planning.

2.) Even if they couldn't use the star gate to get people off once they found out where they were, there are still other options they could have used. They could have dialed the gate that was near the black hole. The fact that they were moving would have disconnected the gate after a period of time. This would have protected them not being able to shut the gate off. Then, while the gate was active they could drawn power from the black hole, even if the gate was only active for seconds at a time, they still could have drawn tons of power, thus reducing the strain on the ZPM and buying more time. If they calculated their path of travel and speed, they could do this several times and maybe get some more systems repaired so they could do one last hyperspace jump. Once they got to their rendezvous point, on the very edge of it, they could do it one last time to get down to the planet surface. If they did it right, they could move just out of range, enough to deactivate the gate, while on the decent and get safely down to their new home.

All in all, I'm mostly satisfied. It was darker and more dramatic, which is good. But it is still missing a certain feel that the first season had, and a lot of the science. I'd like to see more of the process of how things are getting done, the actual steps, not just the end product. Take the Gatebridge for example. Couldn't they have shown more of it's construction? In the end, it was a good episode.

h4mx0r
September 28th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Oh man, I thought this episode was quite eh... intriguing. Loved it in almost every aspect!

lord-anubis
September 28th, 2007, 10:08 PM
ok ep it was good to see cater again i didet think she be on so soon. i liked the sceen with the jumpers. i don't really have any complants about the ep next weeks ep looks better

MOOMUR
September 28th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Well i think it's very dark what they are doing to Weir. I kinda like it. Should be very interesting how it plays out. Next week's ep I think is going to be even better.


Me too! I can hardly wait to see how the season plays out.

tagger
September 28th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Loved it.

Can't wait for next week!

:):)

Hehe - pretty gutsy - rob the replicators. :cool:

I loved the CGI shot wide and around the Sheppard and Zelenka space jump. Loved all the CGI space shots.

Nice - Ronon thanking Weir.

Dr. Keller was very believable.

Everyone did a good job. :)


*I'd have a really hard time not playing and goofing around in a weightless environment.*

idlewild202
September 28th, 2007, 10:23 PM
Alright, I was being very careful about spoilers, so going into this episode I knew NOTHING about it, other than a hunch about the repliweir and um, oh, the thing with shrinking the shield.

So, I was pretty much blow away!! I loved it, I liked how they threw in some humor with the whole get happy from figuring something about but then another problem rising up and "Colonel Sheppard and Dr. McKay to the control room please" being repeated.

I really really REALLY liked the asteroid scene, I have no idea they had that many jumpers!! That was sooo cool! :D
And the fact that the city isn't entirely invincible was a nice touch and made for a great Radek/John scene.

As for the whole thing with Weir, I think it is a MUCH more fitting way to write out a character than just a freakin exploding tumor that happened once upon a time *mutters*. At least here we get some good character development IMO and someone who could become a very interesting part of the show later on down the road (and I really had hoped they'd put her in more than 4 episodes, heres to hoping that she'll get a better in future seasons).

Overall, I'm pleased! And I can not wait till next week. I am very curious to see how it all plays out :)

(lol.... kinda OT, but I'm trying to do a million things on GW at once and my computer is moving in slo-mo. Guess I need to calm down ;) )

FoolishPleasure
September 28th, 2007, 10:38 PM
It was an "okay" episode for me - not the best, not the worst. I did get tired of all the Rodney/Shep scenes that seemed to go on and on and on.

Have to agree with some of the other folks that "dumbed down" Shep just isn't very interesting. I didn't like it when the writers created Dumb O'Neill in the last few SG1 seasons, but they didn't have to do it to Shep too. I'd also like to see Sheppard show emotion in a different way other than licking or chewing his lip. Its starting to grate.

The puddlejumper vs. asteroid scene was silly. Atlantis already has its leader in a coma and its current leaders are BOTH in danger. What if they had been killed? Who would have been in charge? Chuck? That whole piece was written just so Rodney could make an "Asteroids" funny. Dumb. Just dumb.

Carter and Lee. Sigh. Those scenes just seemed like filler, like the episode came in too short and they needed to stretch it out.

Weir. Poor Torri. They could have at least done something different with the hair. When she pulled that wrap off her head and her hair fell down, I laughed out loud, and not in a good way. It looked like something from a shampoo commercial.

Keller. Sorry, Jewell is cute, but every scene she was in just showed what a huge hole was left when the idjits TPTB decided to dump Carson. I always felt there was a nice warm friendship between Elizabeth and Carson, and for Carson to face her death and be forced to use the nanites on her would have been much more personal and emotional. Jewell was just a robot in comparison. There was no emotional pull to tie the viewer to the decisions that had to me made.

Worst of the night was yanking Torri Higginson out of the credits before she is even gone. Horrible decision. Just outright cold.

I'll watch next week, but I'm not overjoyed with what I saw tonight. I'd give it a 5 out of 10.

majorsal
September 28th, 2007, 10:39 PM
i watched my first ever atlantis ep! it was great! :D

because it was my first, i was a bit slow on some things, but i was able to follow nonetheless. ;)

i really like the characters. i didn't get to learn a lot about teyla, but i liked the ronan/weir scene. ronan was very sweet. (is that normal for him?)

mckay rocks! i think i have a soft spot for him just because i like david's personality and interviews so much. (the recent amanda/david interview is wonderful and made me :D and :p a lot)

the special effects were awesome!

poor weir... but i'm glad mckay did it anyways. (i would have to save someone i cared about)

and seeing as i'm starting atlantis because of sam/amanda, it was WONDERFUL to see her!! :D

so all in all, a great way to start my atlantis viewing. ;) i'm giving it a 8.5/10.




sally :D

GateTrek2004
September 28th, 2007, 10:52 PM
I just have to say... W.O.W!!! It was so amaizing!!! The special Effects for this episode were fantactic!! Seeing Atlantis in space is always cool! The scene with 20 PJ's shooting out asteroids was great!!! I was just so glad to see Carter! Even though she was light, she had to start somewhere and the Midway station looks great! I'm guessing that with the Budget Slightly more this year they can do more this season! I was shocked about the nanites being reactivated in Weir. I think that will bite them in the a** later. I can see shy they did that. If you knew someone; a parent, a husband , wife or just anyone that was going to die and you KNEW a way to save them, wouldn't you??? I know i would do ANYTHING i could to keep my mom alive. I read a post that said that Weir was bald then magically had hair and her face was much better, well thank those nanites for regenerating her!!! Weir bald is NOT a good look. Reminds me of Britney! the ending was shocking! I did not think they would try to steal Zpm's. ARE THEY CRAZY????? We'll just wait and see what happens.

GateTrek2004
September 28th, 2007, 10:55 PM
It was an "okay" episode for me - not the best, not the worst. I did get tired of all the Rodney/Shep scenes that seemed to go on and on and on.

Have to agree with some of the other folks that "dumbed down" Shep just isn't very interesting. I didn't like it when the writers created Dumb O'Neill in the last few SG1 seasons, but they didn't have to do it to Shep too. I'd also like to see Sheppard show emotion in a different way other than licking or chewing his lip. Its starting to grate.

The puddlejumper vs. asteroid scene was silly. Atlantis already has its leader in a coma and its current leaders are BOTH in danger. What if they had been killed? Who would have been in charge? Chuck? That whole piece was written just so Rodney could make an "Asteroids" funny. Dumb. Just dumb.

Carter and Lee. Sigh. Those scenes just seemed like filler, like the episode came in too short and they needed to stretch it out.

Weir. Poor Torri. They could have at least done something different with the hair. When she pulled that wrap off her head and her hair fell down, I laughed out loud, and not in a good way. It looked like something from a shampoo commercial.

Keller. Sorry, Jewell is cute, but every scene she was in just showed what a huge hole was left when the idjits TPTB decided to dump Carson. I always felt there was a nice warm friendship between Elizabeth and Carson, and for Carson to face her death and be forced to use the nanites on her would have been much more personal and emotional. Jewell was just a robot in comparison. There was no emotional pull to tie the viewer to the decisions that had to me made.

Worst of the night was yanking Torri Higginson out of the credits before she is even gone. Horrible decision. Just outright cold.

I'll watch next week, but I'm not overjoyed with what I saw tonight. I'd give it a 5 out of 10.

WOW so much negativity!!! you must not be a SGA lover!!!

majorsal
September 28th, 2007, 10:58 PM
Too bad they couldn't have had a two hour season opener.

that's exactly what i said to my mom! this ep went waaaay too fast! i really got involved in the storyline and then wham, it was over. that's a *good* thing. :D



sally :D

FoolishPleasure
September 28th, 2007, 11:05 PM
WOW so much negativity!!! you must not be a SGA lover!!!

I actually love this show and have watched it from day one. I was a bit negative. I did love Ronon's scenes. He is a character who has developed multiple layers that range from angry caveman to soft sensitive guy, and Jason pulls it off well.

Teyla didn't do anything, but I didn't mention her because she will have more to do down the road.

Zelenka is always nice to see.

Overall the episode was just "off" for me. Some felt out of character and Keller will never fill Beckett's shoes.

The special effects were well done, but lots of TV shows and movies have "way super cool effects", but that doesn't mean the writing is good. In a funny way, even though a lot of "stuff" was happening, it felt like the writers kept stretching things - adding scenes willy-nilly to fill the time.

Hopefully next week will be better for me.

idlewild202
September 28th, 2007, 11:23 PM
that's exactly what i said to my mom! this ep went waaaay too fast! i really got involved in the storyline and then wham, it was over. that's a *good* thing. :D

Oh I know, me too!!
I was just settling in going "alright, assuran home world, here we come" and then TO BE CONTINUED ....... WTH???!!? Not cool, lol, *pouts* :p



Worst of the night was yanking Torri Higginson out of the credits before she is even gone. Horrible decision. Just outright cold.
I do have to agree with this, I was really miffed that Elizabeth got yanked so quickly, I thought that was very uncool. Hey, at least they left Carson in last season's credits for the end of the season after he was most obviously GONE. They could have shown weir a little dignity by keeping her in the credits for at least the first two episodes.

Leliana McKay
September 28th, 2007, 11:25 PM
Ok I already saw the episode weeks ago but I have to admit. Watching it live with music and special sounds effects was AWESOME!!!
The greatest thing???
John and Rodney's interaction throughout the episode.


Yes, Joe and David did a marvelous job. I loved the who's in charge, keep me posted scene... and the "If you dumb this down any more I'm gonna hit you."
The whole nanite argument was the BEST SHEP/MCKAY scene EVER!!! Rodney finally calls Sheppard John, I smiled a lot during that. lol (I think some people fainted during the scene)
The "flight" in spacesuit, got me laughing, Zelenka's awe expression after landing... a must.
Then Radek gets microasteroidized (new word in my dictionnary), ouch that hurt like hell to watch, but not as much as Weir's head shaving (my personal nightmare.. yeah I'm a girl!)
Second BEST SHEP/MCKAY scene EVER, the I ACTIVATED THE NANITES scene. Ronon tells John, McKay is in "there" (infirmary), you can sense the... I'm gonna kill you Rodney stare. Then Rodney and Keller come out and guilt look on both their faces (awsome).
John is soooooo pissed at Rodney and Rodney is soooo desperate to save Elizabeth.
Rodney refuses a direct order from Sheppard, he will not shut down the nanites because it wil kill Elisabeth, "No, no, I won't do it!" (I so wanted to hug Rodney for his bravour)
Big tension in the room, when suddenly Lizzie wakes up, with her HAIR intact (big sigh of relieve from me... I so want nanites too now, just in case!). Then the most amazing thing happens Rodney make the first step to reconciliation. When he said the BETWEEN US line, I felt like "is this a slash fanfic??" than he said he was sorry and John quickly accepted I felt a weight lift for my shoulder and breathed again. whaou. Pretty intense.
Obviously Elizabeth is not happy camper about being half cylon ..euh I mean replicator, lol (crossover with BSG and Laura Roslin mysterious cancer cure with half cylon blood!).
Anyhow, those were the best scenes in the episode. I thought the Carter/Lee scenes were too slow and not that interesting (looking forward to see actually Carter as the leader in Reunion).
Teyla was a bit left out and I felt Elizabeth's near death was not touching that many people (Ronon was the only one to go see and talk to Lizzie, John was shocked and teary eyed, Rodney was baffled and I expected more yelling/screaming however HE DID SAVE HER in the end! and... well that's it.)

9/10 and BEST SEASON OPENER for Adrift.

AutumnDream
September 28th, 2007, 11:45 PM
+ Ronon and Weir scene. Best scene in the episode.

+ Actual character conflict on Atlantis! A-amazing!
- Sheppard and McKay made up four seconds later. Typical.

+ Something interesting happening with Weir!
- It'll be so cool when they don't follow through with it in an engaging way! (If at all.)

- Action scenes facilitated by events of questionable likelihood. mguys nthier i s asteorieds fields happuen to enter oure pathg they will nbe destrouy

+ Radek is the man

+ I thought John was gonna shed a tear or two after Keller told him about Weir. Aww!

- Carter/Lee scenes + stupid SG1 humor. Yeah, Atlantis is supposed to be a dark(ish?) show. The tone of the show was dark. We don't need that goofy crap in the season premiere. Scoring it with the pizzicato strings "funny theme" does not make it humorous. Sorry, sound editor guy, that is just not cool. Either the scene is funny or it isn't. Man, I remember in classic SG1, O'Neill would say or do something hilarious, and the scene would speak for itself. It didn't need musical support to let the audience know HEY WERE MAKIGN JOESK NOW OK, it was just genuinely amusing. I think the next Carter + Lee scene should have a laugh track.

+ Nice to see Sheppard making ballsy command decisions, particularly on Weir. Although, they could have played John the opposite way regarding her, and I still would have liked it. I could see him vouching to save her, after all.

- Yeah, uh... infiltrate the home world of the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, steal a number of valuable, heavily guarded (I should hope) items, and make a clean getaway! The fact that the characters even consider this possibility is not the saddest part. What really pains me is that I can see this plan succeeding flawlessly, given absurdities we've been subjected to in Stargate history. Please, writers - if you are going to have your characters do something this stupid, make sure there are heavy, heavy consequences. (Like a major character's death.) The integrity of the writing is not worth whatever RAD ACTION SHOTS you get out of these heists. I really hope this only works because they just got hit by a bunch of nukes, and even then, it had better not work very well.

- On this note, I'll quote Toasteronfire;


The fact that the closest world with a ZPM happened to be the Asuran one, and right after Weir was nanited again, felt like extreme plot convenience to set up next week's ep.

Writers, do you know how large space is? Like I said - events of questionable likelihood.

+ Jewel was good. I like her character so far. Her scenes don't make me conscious of Beckett's sacking or anything.

- Could have been structured somewhat more effectively. The "sequential progression of life-threatening issues" approach lacks finesse.

+ Better than whatever the Season 3 opening was. I can't even remember it.
- Not as good as Siege III or Rising.

+ Oh right, Teyla was in this episode! Yeah, she is cool. Have a +, Teyla. I sure hope they write something for you soon!

Overall: The characters were good, the plot was okay. I'm glad Atlantis is on again. Did anyone else note a certain similarity to a a certain other show's season 2 premiere, Scattered?

morjana
September 29th, 2007, 12:22 AM
I wish Skiffy would have done a season 3 marathon instead of showing random season 1 episodes today because I hardly remember what happened last season, especially in the season finally.

Season Three is currently airing in syndication in the US (began the weekend of 9-22/23-07), so the SciFi Channel couldn't air a season three marathon. SciFi Channel won't be able to show season 3 again until it's finished its syndicaton run in 2008.

Morjana

Herb
September 29th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Wonderful episode! I think season 4 is going to absolutely ROCK! I just finished a quick stint on Episode 19 "Outcast" and from what I gathered (I couldn't get anyone to get me a full script, and nobody would give up their secrets for the season finale) it looks great. I saw Amanda zipping around Bridge Studios in a golf cart with a camera following her (perhaps for the DVD release). Anyways, I look forward to "Lifeline".

Kliggins
September 29th, 2007, 12:32 AM
Just so-so episode for me. I guess I was expecting a little more with a lighter workload this year. I did think the Carter scenes were unnecessary and sort of lame, but hopefully they will tie into next week's episode.

Thought Radek was great.

Applauds Jewell for getting out all the medical jargon she had to say.

Kind of hard to see that both John and Rodney had to leave the station to deal with the asteroids, leaving nobody in command.

Tacky, unprofessional, disrespectful and premature with the new credits.

elbo
September 29th, 2007, 12:35 AM
I love how the SGA story twisted, because in my opinion it was going nowhere, just waiting for what new ideeas Michael or the Oberoths came up with to destroy the city or the atlanteans. All this new stuff, from building the Midway Station, Apollo, the first time when we launch a spatial attack on one of our enemy homeplanet, changing leadership, leaving Lantea are like some electric shokcs applied on the show. The show is definatively improved and how someone already stated, gained maturity. The character scenes/relations are more deep and expressive, the conflicts and drama are more realistics, the suspance is more intense, the events per episode have been incresed in number and dinamic.

Rodney took the right decision to reactivate the nanites, for how long he programmed them to do just a specific task there is no point in wasting a life because of other people's fears and prejudicies. But, this was still a medical decision, unfortunately Dr. Keller seem to lack a clear opinion in this situation and leave the decison entirely to Rodney and choses to not intervine later in Shepp/McKay dialog. Not very promising for her.

A slight exageration is in my opinion, Sheppard doing all the action stuff and i mean everything, ideas and execution. For example the science stuff is more and more split between Rodney and Zelenka. They should have developed someone, second in command type, with a lot more screen time and contributions than Lorne. I guess they will do a better development job for Ronon, but i still don't see him "generating ideeas" other than "Let's blow them all".

Overhall a excelent episode; along with 'First Strike' and especially "Lifeline" they are "Creme de la Creme" of SGA. Sam is too little present to comment, but it cannot be worst ...

I personally have 2 main problems with SG series, but nothing is perfect:

1. They have a small main cast. This could be bigger, more characters, not-uber characters.
2. Extremly few scenes with the 'enemy', their society, their plan, their philosophy. Let's better understand the opposite side.

metabog
September 29th, 2007, 02:54 AM
- Yeah, uh... infiltrate the home world of the most technologically advanced race in the galaxy, steal a number of valuable, heavily guarded (I should hope) items, and make a clean getaway! The fact that the characters even consider this possibility is not the saddest part. What really pains me is that I can see this plan succeeding flawlessly, given absurdities we've been subjected to in Stargate history. Please, writers - if you are going to have your characters do something this stupid, make sure there are heavy, heavy consequences. (Like a major character's death.) The integrity of the writing is not worth whatever RAD ACTION SHOTS you get out of these heists. I really hope this only works because they just got hit by a bunch of nukes, and even then, it had better not work very well.




Looks like you haven't seen Lifeline yet. :D

AutumnDream
September 29th, 2007, 03:07 AM
I am hoping it will be executed tastefully. The first escape from Asurania or whatever was goofy enough. :/



Tacky, unprofessional, disrespectful and premature with the new credits.

Agreed.

Easter Lily
September 29th, 2007, 03:18 AM
I really enjoyed that... I'm so glad I haven't read any spoilers or titbits... so I was pretty much on the edge of my seat trying to work out what was going to happen next.
I thought it was a strong opener... although I was surprised to see Carter already.
What I really liked:

Ronon thanking the comatosed Weir was really touching.
Sheppard and Rodney conflict was pretty good. I liked that Sheppard took a hard line about activating the nanites.
I didn't realise the city could compress itself... that was interesting.
Kaylee, er I mean Keller playing Simon doctor
That nothing was that easily resolved.

I'm really looking forward to next week's "heist" episode. I'm such a sucker for heist stories.

Psyku
September 29th, 2007, 03:31 AM
i really really liked this episode. and hoping it's goin to be better then season 3.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 03:44 AM
I absolutely loved this season premiere. I liked it more than Siege III personally, and certainly more than NML.

What I loved.

The characters.

For me, the show is about many things, but how these people interact with each other is vital.

Sheppard was wonderful here for me. He stepped up to take over the leadership role at a time when he was incredibly upset at what had happened to Weir. His scenes with Keller, where she explained Weir's condition, had me having tears in my eyes! Kudos to Joe for conveying the withheld, yet barely contained emotions Sheppard had. He definitely had tears in his eyes, and the way he could barely look Keller in the eye in case his control slipped was so powerful. It was wonderful to see how much he cared about his friend, and a realistic reaction to the severity of her situation.

Sheppard's scenes with McKay were some of the best I've seen. From him reminding Rodney, albeit reluctantly, that he needed to be kept in the loop, and Rodney acknowleding that apologetically, to the tense scenes where they butted heads, to the sweet and heartfelt apology, and Sheppard's gracious acceptance of that. These were wonderful scenes to me, and shows how much these two characters and their relationship has grown and matured.

I liked how Sheppard was professional here, not letting his personal feelings get in the way of difficult decisions. I also liked that Rodney was the one who had the emotional response and was a little reckless reactivating Weir's nanites out of the desperate need to save her. Sheppard and McKay's responses changed here from the norm. Usually McKay is the logical one and Sheppard is driven by his emotions and desire to save everyone, but here he became a leader and thought of the city first, and Rodney let his emotions rule his judgement. I like that development for both characters.

McKay was excellent here. As mentioned in the scenes above, but I can't forget him flying the PJ in the asteroid field! How nice to see him doing a little heroic flying for a change, albeit reluctantly! :)

Teyla wasn't around that much, but when she was she was a calm and strong influence, taking control of things in Sheppard's and McKay's absence.

Ronon's scene with Weir was so sweet and heartfelt, and felt very emotional.

Carter's introduction was subtle and worked well for me. Though having seen Lifeline, I will comment more on her in that thread at a later time, because we didn't really see that much of her here. What I saw I enjoyed, however. Same for Dr. Lee.

Dr. Keller was good in the scenes she was in. Calm but professional at all times. I have high hopes for her, despite her obvious youth.

I also love Zelenka here, especially in his scenes with Sheppard. The two have a great chemistry and it was wonderful to see them share tense and rather spectacular scenes. Good old Dr Z, battling on with his wounded leg!

There isn't much to say about Weir here. Again, I'll save my thoughts for Lifeline.

The special effects were outstanding in this episode. The PJ scene had me having my heart beating wildly with wonder and excitement, and visually it was the real cherry on the top of the cake for me! I loved, loved it! Blowing away those asteroids was just a marvellous idea and the scenes worked so well for me!!!!

The space walk was terrific and the views we saw as the shot drew away from Shep and Radek and then swung round was breathtaking.

I liked the pace of the episode, enjoyed the drama of one disaster striking after another, and just felt this was the perfect continuation from FS.

It not only didn't disappoint, I thought it was a better episode that FS and was a wonderful start to the season. Well done to everyone involved in its making. I think you did yourselves proud. :)

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 03:53 AM
<snip>

Tacky, unprofessional, disrespectful and premature with the new credits.
Agree with you 100% there. Professionalism it was not.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Agree with you 100% there. Professionalism it was not.
I'd disagree there. Everything is signed and sealed before the season starts as far as opening credit status/guest star status is concerned. So I don't see it as unprofessional at all. All the actors will know what they signed on the dotted line for. If you're a recurring character, you're not in the credits. I think the situation with Ford was different, because they didn't want JM appearing in the credits before he'd been introduced to the Atlantis audience, whereas AT has appeared on the show before and is known to us. That's my take on the situation, anyway. :)

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 04:04 AM
I'd disagree there. Everything is signed and sealed before the season starts as far as opening credit status/guest star status is concerned. So I don't see it as unprofessional at all. All the actors will know what they signed on the dotted line for. If you're a recurring character, you're not in the credits. I think the situation with Ford was different, because they didn't want JM appearing in the credits before he'd been introduced to the Atlantis audience, whereas AT has appeared on the show before and is known to us. That's my take on the situation, anyway. :)

I'd agree with you if they had done the same with Paul. Paul was there.

Weir is in these two episodes, at least leave her in until the 2nd episode and then by all means have Carter there. For as long as Carter was in this episode she was more like a guest actor. Also if Carter's role is more supporting, then shouldn't she be after Teyla? Before Ronon definitely.

prion
September 29th, 2007, 04:06 AM
I thought it was a very good episode. But once again I'm wondering-why is Dr. Lee still employed by the SGC? Has he ever come up with a good idea? Other than the "twilight bark"? :)

Weir is history, I'm afraid, no matter what vague comments TPTB may make about her possibly returning in Season 5. First they Wraithify Ford, now they Replify Weir, and I'm betting the outcome will be the same, which makes me sad.

Unfortunately Dr. Lee has been turned into comic relief, but at least we're not stuck with Felger (phew). I suspect after Weir's fourth appearance (which hopefully won't be as brief as the one in "Adrift") she'll be gone, even if there is a fifth season.



One little nitpick: McKay just figuring out how to program a piece of advanced alien technology to repair human flesh is a bit of a reach.

Probably no more different than Carter assisting in medical procedures in SG1, which was patently absurd... she has no medical background at all.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 04:08 AM
I'd agree with you if they had done the same with Paul. Paul was there.

Weir is in these two episodes, at least leave her in until the 2nd episode and then by all means have Carter there. For as long as Carter was in this episode she was more like a guest actor. Also if Carter's role is more supporting, then shouldn't she be after Teyla? Before Ronon definitely.
Yes, but don't forget that Carson went during the season and that contracts had already been signed, thus he was contracted to appear in the opening credits. Torri wouldn't have been because it was a new season.

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 04:09 AM
Yes, but don't forget that Carson went during the season and that contracts had already been signed, thus he was contracted to appear in the opening credits. Torri wouldn't have been because it was a new season.

Good point. You're right. On a personal level though, it just felt a little insulting to the actress. Anyway, it's just business.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 04:11 AM
Good point. You're right. On a personal level though, it just felt a little insulting to the actress. Anyway, it's just business.
Yes, I see your point there. Personally you thought it was not acceptable, but business wise it's how things are done, I think. :)

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 04:12 AM
Unfortunately Dr. Lee has been turned into comic relief, but at least we're not stuck with Felger (phew). I suspect after Weir's fourth appearance (which hopefully won't be as brief as the one in "Adrift") she'll be gone, even if there is a fifth season.

Probably no more different than Carter assisting in medical procedures in SG1, which was patently absurd... she has no medical background at all.

I agree that I really don't see her reappearing in season 5 anymore. Not unless they bring her back as evil and then work something out. Which would be unfortunate for the character.

I agree w/ the McKay able to program the nanites all of a sudden. If he's able to do it now, why not back in TRW? Just seemed like a HUGE jump.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 04:16 AM
I agree that I really don't see her reappearing in season 5 anymore. Not unless they bring her back as evil and then work something out. Which would be unfortunate for the character.

I agree w/ the McKay able to program the nanites all of a sudden. If he's able to do it now, why not back in TRW? Just seemed like a HUGE jump.
I think if there's a season 5, whether Weir comes back is up to how the storyline progresses and whether Torri is able to or wants to come back. I hope whatever happens Weir doesn't go evil in the future. That's just me though. :o

As for McKay's ability to re-rogramme the nanites...hmmm, well he is a genius ;) Lots of things are beyond belief in scifi, so I just smile and think okaaaaay. :)

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 04:19 AM
I think if there's a season 5, whether Weir comes back is up to how the storyline progresses and whether Torri is able to or wants to come back. I hope whatever happens Weir doesn't go evil in the future. That's just me though. :o

As for McKay's ability to re-rogramme the nanites...hmmm, well he is a genius ;) Lots of things are beyond belief in scifi, so I just smile and think okaaaaay. :)

Agreed & agreed. I suppose that's why it's called scifi. :D

g.o.d
September 29th, 2007, 04:23 AM
weak. very weak.

Sheppard was like a moron
Teyla was as annoying as ever
Carter and Lee, what the hell was that? they felt like a commercial break
the CGI felt so fake
the midway set and CGI were horrendous
are McKey and Zalenka the only two competent people in the city?

on the bright side Ronon was great

hope Lifeline is (a lot) better

I agree with you. It was boring too. But don't worry, Lifeline is much better than this crap

iolanda
September 29th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Awesome. Just awesome. I SO loved it!

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 04:25 AM
Agreed & agreed. I suppose that's why it's called scifi. :D
I guess so! I mean many times things that some characters pull off or perform are ridiculously unrealistic, and certainly some of the medical scenes are, er, well, put it this way, half the characters in the TV world would be dead by now if resus scenes in real life were carried out the way some have been on fictional TV.! :lol: I guess it is fiction so we have to suspend disbelief at times. :)

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 04:31 AM
weak. very weak.

In your opinion.


Sheppard was like a moron

Right, because he planned a course of action that saved the city from imminent disaster several times? Because he put the life of the expedition before the life of Dr. Weir after objecting to Rodney's use of the nanites?


Teyla was as annoying as ever

She had about ten lines. I fail to see how that was annoying.


Carter and Lee, what the hell was that? they felt like a commercial break

Actually, I kind of liked the banter. Too bad you didn't.


the CGI felt so fake

Because they have the money to blow up tons of asteroids, get every bit of the city right (by the way, most of the lights were turned off to conserve power), and show shots of the city we've never seen before?


the midway set and CGI were horrendous

What were you expecting, DS9?


are McKey and Zalenka the only two competent people in the city?

No.


on the bright side Ronon was great

Ronon had like, 3 minutes of total screen time. Hell, Jason didn't even have to act in order to pull that off.


hope Lifeline is (a lot) better

Oh it is.

My pet peeves with the episode was poor writing. It was like they tried to come up with forced events after forced events. If it wasn't an asteroid field, its the hyperdrive being damaged, if it wasn't the hyperdrive, its the power conduits. It didn't live up to the finale. Character interaction was at best forced. And that hispanic (I'm assuming he is) guy that was operating on Ronon and was flying the jumper, ugh, they could have found someone better.

Zelenka gets pelted in the leg by a micro asteroid and he's back and up on his feet in no time (albeit on crutches)?

Arlessiar
September 29th, 2007, 05:55 AM
Except who is going to fix that broken tower in Atlantis now? Or is it going to stay broken? I'm curious about that too. Without any replicators it could take a while to repair this. But my guess is that it will fix itself magically and when we next see an extreme long shot of the city after 'Lifeline' the city will look fine again. Say no to continuity, but hello to the miracles of SciFi/CGI. ;)


Rodney took the right decision to reactivate the nanites, for how long he programmed them to do just a specific task there is no point in wasting a life because of other people's fears and prejudicies. But, this was still a medical decision, unfortunately Dr. Keller seem to lack a clear opinion in this situation and leave the decison entirely to Rodney and choses to not intervine later in Shepp/McKay dialog. Not very promising for her. This was one of the things I really disliked about this episode. The whole nanite thing was basically Keller's idea. But when John yells at Rodney, does she even say a word? No, she keeps out of this rather cowardly. Yes, Rodney was the one who actually did reactivate the nanites, but she was the person who had the idea, so she's responsible for this too. But she stays silent when John gives Rodney a dressing down. That's not fair.

Bye, A.

Wraith_Boy
September 29th, 2007, 06:09 AM
A competent season opener but definitely not fantastic (6/10). Rather than focusing on the writing to make the eps better, it seems to be just bigger special effects that's being put in it's place.

The biggest problem I had with this ep is that the city isn't in jeopardy for too long. It's in danger in 'First Strike', then bang, a couple of eps in & it'll all be solved. Just like previous eps beforehand where the city is in danger of destruction, or has major power problems. Then wallop, an ep or 2 down the line, they magically have power & everything is rosy again. To put them in real peril & add more danger to every decision they make, they should have put the city in space for a few eps. Have Atlantis all beat up, with no power whatsoever. Then around 4/5, do a crazy idea that gets them to the new planet. However when they arrive, they still don't have any ZPM's or anything.

Have watched Kaylee, oops, I mean Keller in 'FS' & now 'Adrift' but have to say she really doesn't belong. Her overall performance was too plastic for my liking, think she should be operating on barbie dolls instead of on people. Really made a mistake by needlessly getting rid of Beckett.

Carter is my fave member of SG-1, so am happy she's coming over to Atlantis. However hope that Weir gets to come back in some capacity just like Beckett in S5.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:16 AM
A competent season opener but definitely not fantastic (6/10). Rather than focusing on the writing to make the eps better, it seems to be just bigger special effects that's being put in it's place.

The biggest problem I had with this ep is that the city isn't in jeopardy for too long. It's in danger in 'First Strike', then bang, a couple of eps in & it'll all be solved. Just like previous eps beforehand where the city is in danger of destruction, or has major power problems. Then wallop, an ep or 2 down the line, they magically have power & everything is rosy again. To put them in real peril & add more danger to every decision they make, they should have put the city in space for a few eps. Have Atlantis all beat up, with no power whatsoever. Then around 4/5, do a crazy idea that gets them to the new planet. However when they arrive, they still don't have any ZPM's or anything.

Have watched Kaylee, oops, I mean Keller in 'FS' & now 'Adrift' but have to say she really doesn't belong. Her overall performance was too plastic for my liking, think she should be operating on barbie dolls instead of on people. Really made a mistake by needlessly getting rid of Beckett.

Carter is my fave member of SG-1, so am happy she's coming over to Atlantis. However hope that Weir gets to come back in some capacity just like Beckett in S5.

She's going to be in This Mortal Coil.

chocdoc
September 29th, 2007, 06:16 AM
I thought this was a great season opener and I can't wait to see next week's episode! Great suspense, great fun wondering what was going to happen next, and I thought the visual effects were excellent. I thought the acting was strong by all the cast. Can't wait to see what happens with Weir. I usually get tired of Sheppard/McKay banter, but it was excellent in this fast paced episode. The conflict between them over Elizabeth's life was fantastic. And I like the introduction of Carter so far.

If this is the tone of season 4 in general, I think we are in for a great ride!

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:20 AM
Loved every minute! The jumper scene was great, the CG was much better than in the "leaked" episodes.

Except who is going to fix that broken tower in Atlantis now? Or is it going to stay broken?

Vala,

It's possible that the buildings will be repaired with cranes and Earth crews. :P It will be the most Daedalus looking portion of the city.

Some contractors will be VERY happy. Besides, the only critical system in that area was apparently not destroyed, and was repaired.

MartianManhunter
September 29th, 2007, 06:31 AM
The biggest problem I had with this ep is that the city isn't in jeopardy for too long. It's in danger in 'First Strike', then bang, a couple of eps in & it'll all be solved. Just like previous eps beforehand where the city is in danger of destruction, or has major power problems. Then wallop, an ep or 2 down the line, they magically have power & everything is rosy again. To put them in real peril & add more danger to every decision they make, they should have put the city in space for a few eps. Have Atlantis all beat up, with no power whatsoever. Then around 4/5, do a crazy idea that gets them to the new planet. However when they arrive, they still don't have any ZPM's or anything.

How would they breathe? If they had no power whatsoever there wouldnt be a shield and that means we wouldnt have air to breathe.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:34 AM
How would they breathe? If they had no power whatsoever there wouldnt be a shield and that means we wouldnt have air to breathe.

Not to mention re-entry. I guess they could have found a black hole to draw power from...

Sweetsong
September 29th, 2007, 06:39 AM
Can someone direct me to the thread or site where is explains the timeline? We know Adrift didn't occur directly after Unending did, the movies still have to take place first. To me it just seems kind of odd that SGA is premiering with a character (Carter) that still has unfinished business that no one as yet has seen completed.

Even Amanda herself seemed surprised during the fan faire interview when they revealed that the movies don't come out 'til Early next year and late in the fall of 08. Apparently both are already completed they are just what? Searching for strategic release times when they are continuing the storyline with one of those characters in the unreleased movies on television?

ToasterOnFire
September 29th, 2007, 06:42 AM
My pet peeves with the episode was poor writing. It was like they tried to come up with forced events after forced events. If it wasn't an asteroid field, its the hyperdrive being damaged, if it wasn't the hyperdrive, its the power conduits. It didn't live up to the finale. Character interaction was at best forced.
I agree. It felt like they had to fill those 43 minutes so they stuck in problem after problem after problem for Atlantis. And it wasn't like TPTB were going to destroy the city, so no real tension there. The only really interesting plotline was what happened to Weir, IMO.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:48 AM
Can someone direct me to the thread or site where is explains the timeline? We know Adrift didn't occur directly after Unending did, the movies still have to take place first. To me it just seems kind of odd that SGA is premiering with a character (Carter) that still has unfinished business that no one as yet has seen completed.

Even Amanda herself seemed surprised during the fan faire interview when they revealed that the movies don't come out 'til Early next year and late in the fall of 08. Apparently both are already completed they are just what? Searching for strategic release times when they are continuing the storyline with one of those characters in the unreleased movies on television?

Actually, Adrift took place after Unending. There's no Asgard anymore, per Carter.

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 06:51 AM
It's possible that the buildings will be repaired with cranes and Earth crews. :P It will be the most Daedalus looking portion of the city.

Some contractors will be VERY happy. Besides, the only critical system in that area was apparently not destroyed, and was repaired.
What's the point though? If the building housed research laboratories it's all gone.

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 06:52 AM
Actually, Adrift took place after Unending. There's no Asgard anymore, per Carter.

Was it that Asgards are no more, or that they aren't on the Apollo? The exact line was "they don't have an Asgard on board" -- which could be interpreted many different ways IMO.
Time line is hazy to me also.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:53 AM
What's the point though? If the building housed research laboratories it's all gone.

Cosmetic purposes maybe? Not to mention the fact that numerous systems could be running through there that need repair. Just because something minor is broken doesn't mean you don't repair it.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:54 AM
Was it that Asgards are no more, or that they aren't on the Apollo? The exact line was "they don't have an Asgard on board" -- which could be interpreted many different ways IMO.
Time line is hazy to me also.

Hmm, I thought the exact line was "It's not like they have an Asgard."

I'll rewatch when it's loaded onto Itunes. If it is. Kind of pissed off the Office hasn't been loaded up yet.

Sweetsong
September 29th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Actually, Adrift took place after Unending. There's no Asgard anymore, per Carter.

Correct it had to have. What I meant to say was that Unending and First Strike no way could have occured simultaneously.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 06:58 AM
Correct it had to have. What I meant to say was that Unending and First Strike no way could have occured simultaneously.

That would be correct. I'm pretty sure that Atlantis has always been a bit ahead of SG1 in terms of the timeline.

Arlessiar
September 29th, 2007, 07:01 AM
So, the episode really IS better with music and sound effects... :D

I liked Adrift, there were better eps, but also many eps that were worse, so all in all I think it was a good season opener. A few things I disliked nonetheless:

The credits. Seriously, they waited quite a few eps until they cut out PM, couldn't they have waited a bit until they cut out TH?

Carter. Well, I know many people like seeing her on Atlantis. I belong to those who don't for many reasons I won't go into here now as this is not the thread for this. Fact is, seeing her on the show makes me sad, and hence it spoilt my happy mood a bit. Especially as there really was no need to have her in this ep. Ok, I get it, her scenes were an introduction, but they were also absolutely unnecessary, boring and distracting. And of course golden girl is already right about everything. She, unlike everybody else, suspects that they dropped out of hyperspace too early, and of course she's right... And she says that Rodney probably made a mistake. Yeah, sure, how is that supposed to make me happy that she shows up on Atlantis?

McKay-Sheppard banter. I usually love this. I'm one of those who'd pay money to watch the McShep show (in the platonic and in the slashy sense). But this time it was a bit weird.
I won't say much here about Sheppard as a leader. Basically he did good, I think. But I could have done without this "keep me in the loop" stuff. Guess the purpose of the scene was to show the viewer that Sheppard is in charge now, I can accept it that way. But Rodney was busy trying to save this damn city, how are long explanations that keep him from working helpful in this situation?
And the apology scene? Not that the apology itself was wrong. I think it was rather thoughtful that Rodney saw how stupid it is to argue for hours when they need to work together to solve the bigger problems. And yes, he was disobeying John's order, I get that, and an apology was ok. But I'm proud that he dared to defend his opinion and what he did, and John made a really big fuss about it (maybe because he's not used to Rodney disobeying him like that?). I didn't like it so much that Rodney apologised and all that Sheppard did was was to accept it, he could have said something else. The scene simply seemed a bit off to me.

"John" - a dream came true, Rodney finally called Sheppard by his first name! I squeed about that, but I was surprised that he said it in such a casual way, as if he already said it for a long time. I really wished there would have a more meaningful scene for that.

Keller. Well, she didn't really convince me yet. Yes, I loved Carson, and somehow I still expect him to show up when someone yells for a doctor, so to speak. But ok, there's Keller now, I have to accept that. Still, I don't think her first real appearance was that good. It was rather dull. She's also still too young for me to take her serious as a doctor. And I already said in another post what I thought about her not saying a word when John yells at Rodney for the whole nanites thing, although it was her idea in the first place and she was involved in what had happened, too.

(Is it just me or does the infirmary look completely different again?)

And one thing I really loved about this ep? That Sheppad finally praised Rodney for something. He said to him that he did good after they came back from playing Asteroids (I for my part was rather good at that game ;)). Usually people just expect Rodney to come up with a last minute miracle, and if it doesn't work they're angry at him, and if it does work they take it for granted, because hey, it could be dangerous to praise someone with an ego like McKay's, no matter if he deserves praise or not. They rarely get that Rodney does crave serious praise from those people that are really important to him and mean something to him. He rarely gets it, so he tries to force people to praise him when he acts like an arrogant prick - which doesn't work. So he's often genuinely surprised if someone really does praise him. You can see that he didn't expect that then and is happy like a five-yearl-old then. Unfortunately he doesn't really know how to deal with honest praise and usually says something idiotic "like of course, I'm a genius after all!" then - and this doesn't sit well with those who don't get why he reacts that way. I hope those who call themselves his friends now him better by now. Long story short, I'm glad John praised him this time.

Oh, and before I forget it - CHUCK! :D

Bye, A.

justhere1971
September 29th, 2007, 07:01 AM
Hmm, I thought the exact line was "It's not like they have an Asgard."

I'll rewatch when it's loaded onto Itunes. If it is. Kind of pissed off the Office hasn't been loaded up yet.

I think you're right. I have mine dvr'd - I will watch again tonight.

ChopinGal
September 29th, 2007, 07:11 AM
Everyone must be perfectly coiffed even in battle. Nanites know that.

It's a girl thing. :D

Sicktem
September 29th, 2007, 07:15 AM
And she says that Rodney probably made a mistake. Yeah, sure, how is that supposed to make me happy that she shows up on Atlantis?

If it makes you feel better, she was wrong. Screw up though he may be, their power problems weren't at all his fault (this time).

Sweetsong
September 29th, 2007, 07:15 AM
That would be correct. I'm pretty sure that Atlantis has always been a bit ahead of SG1 in terms of the timeline.

I don't know about always. Take the season finales of season 8 SG1 and season 1 SGA for example. Moebuis part 2 took place before the Seige part two. We know this because SG1 acquired the ZPM in Moebius 2 which helped save Atlantis in the Seige 2.

For the sake of argument, say Moebius took place a long time before the Seige, then why would they have waited so long to contact Atlantis? They had to have occured right after the other.

poundpuppy29
September 29th, 2007, 07:17 AM
Thank you all I can't watch it until it goes in syndication or DVDs what ever comes first but you all have kept me up to date. Was there any scenes between Weir and Teyla like Ronon and Weir?

ChopinGal
September 29th, 2007, 07:20 AM
I thought this was a great season opener and I can't wait to see next week's episode! Great suspense, great fun wondering what was going to happen next, and I thought the visual effects were excellent. I thought the acting was strong by all the cast. Can't wait to see what happens with Weir. I usually get tired of Sheppard/McKay banter, but it was excellent in this fast paced episode. The conflict between them over Elizabeth's life was fantastic. And I like the introduction of Carter so far.

If this is the tone of season 4 in general, I think we are in for a great ride!

Haven't seen it yet but sounds like it had something in it for everyone. I think old and new cast members will blend well. I don't think Carter will be so sure of herself once she assumes command and, from what JM and others have implied, there will be more in-depth characterization for all the cast. New layers will be revealed. Probably hinted at already with Ronon's scene at Elizabeth's bedside and McKay's empathic use of the name "John". ;)

Sweetsong
September 29th, 2007, 07:21 AM
Was there any scenes between Weir and Teyla like Ronon and Weir?

There was just one, when Teyla was in Weirs medical room in a hasmat suit telling her they did the right thing reactivating the nannites in order to save Weirs life.

kymeric
September 29th, 2007, 07:30 AM
If they jumped to hyperspeed with only the control tower shielded, maybe I don't understand space physics that much but wouldn't velocity physics demand that the unprotected areas be torn apart? Given that traveling at light speed is as fast as we understand it to be?

Wraith ships travel in hyperspace and they clearly dont have shields.

I think as long as there is no intertia force acting on one part more than another it wont shred the vehicle.

Deejay435
September 29th, 2007, 07:36 AM
I agree that I really don't see her reappearing in season 5 anymore. Not unless they bring her back as evil and then work something out. Which would be unfortunate for the character.

I agree w/ the McKay able to program the nanites all of a sudden. If he's able to do it now, why not back in TRW? Just seemed like a HUGE jump.

I'm totally unspoiled for the season, so this is just guesswork on my part. But I would imagine that McKay wasn't able to reprogram the nanites. He may think he was able to-or maybe that was just wishful thinking on his part. But I think we'll find that the nanites are just as take-controlly (new word ;) ) as ever they were before.

Scarym1
September 29th, 2007, 07:39 AM
That was an exceptionally awesome ep. :D :D :D

Please pop over here and rate it.

http://www.heynielsen.com/rankings/


Atlantis is currently #5. I think it should be number ONE!!!!


Ronan telling Weir thank you for letting him stay on Atlantis. That made me teary eyed. He is such a sweety. :)

McKay and Sheppard were brilliant. Love how Sheppard tells McKay that he is now in charge and needs to be updated on their situation. McKay refusing to stop the replicators from saving Weir. Sheppard was so intense. I believe he really would have let Weir die in order to protect them all. Then Rodney being the first to apologize was suprising. He really has learn a few social skills over the past couple of years. ;) He was even nice to Radek when he told him that he would fine out there on his spacewalk. But then we have typical Rodney being all doom and gloom by telling all the pilots that they would be dead if they didn't succeed. His comments that he once scorerd 0 at ASTERIODS was hilarious.

I am going to have to watch it again when I get home from grocery shopping.

Sweetsong
September 29th, 2007, 07:48 AM
Wraith ships travel in hyperspace and they clearly dont have shields.

I think as long as there is no intertia force acting on one part more than another it wont shred the vehicle.


I hadn't thought of that, then again the wraith ships are more streamlined while Atlantis is a round circle. Again I suppose that wouldn't matter.

I know the wraith ships travel considerably slower than the Ancient ships which is why they had their hyperdrive altered in "Allies" so they could attempt to reach earth. But yet again I suppose that doesn't matter.

SGFerrit
September 29th, 2007, 08:01 AM
Especially as there really was no need to have her in this ep. Ok, I get it, her scenes were an introduction, but they were also absolutely unnecessary, boring and distracting.

This argument is pretty silly, but I guess you haven't seen the next episode. Lets just say, if these scenes weren't in Adrift, then a major plot point of Lifeline would make no sense.

Great season opener, which you will all see next week is followed by an even better episode. If this is any indication of the quality of this season, then it is going to be the best yet easily.

Oka
September 29th, 2007, 08:02 AM
Great Atlantis episode. <mod snip. Stop taking digs at those with other opinions.> Did it have flaws? Yes, of course, but no major ones. Stop nitpicking and enjoy the ride.


8/10.

McKayManiacs92
September 29th, 2007, 08:09 AM
Ronan telling Weir thank you for letting him stay on Atlantis. That made me teary eyed. He is such a sweety. :)

I totally agree! I was just like "awwww"...it was so sweet.


There was another moment when Keller was telling Sheppard about lossing Weir, I kind of felt like that was the first time Sheppard was the closest to actually possibly crying? In "Sunday", he didn't have any real time to get hit my losing Carson, but in this episode with having to basically know Weir was possibly being lost, it looked like he was which kind of made it for me a touching moment...it shows how much he cares for all of his team like family...

keshou
September 29th, 2007, 08:10 AM
Darn, I wish I hadn't fallen asleep halfway through the thing. :weiranime22:

I was excited to rush home after work and see the premiere. I turned on the TV at 8:00 only to find Flash Gordon coming on instead of Atlantis. I was so bored/tired by the time Atlantis came on that I fell asleep halfway thru the episode. Hope that's not a bad sign. :S

{alas, I've been mostly AWOL from Gateworld and fandom in general for several months so as to avoid spoilers and the fandom crappola that had been putting me in a bad mood and didn't know Atlantis wasn't coming on until 9:00 CT. Wasn't it on at 8:00 CT last season?!!? Guess I should have checked the TV schedule :o }

Anyway, my opinions on the part I saw:

* Liked Ronon a lot in the bits I saw
* Shep/McKay bickering grew a little tiresome in the part I saw. McKay in general was annoying me in this one. Ironic, since he's usually one of my favorite characters on the show. ;)
* New doctor was okay - not too impressed one way or the other. I'll reserve judgement until I see more.
* Teyla. Did she have scenes in the first half of the episode? Don't remember her.
* Special effects were great for the part I saw.
* I was engaged by Shep's worrying about his people escaping as the city shut down and by his general angsting over Weir and being in charge
* Sam/Dr Lee was fine but pretty much a non-event. I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Sam in future episodes

Sounds like I missed some awesome stuff in the last half. They infected Weir with nanites??? Wow - I'm going to have to go read a recap. ;):)

Is this episode repeating this week anytime??? Nevermind, I'll check Scifi's schedulebot.

Overall, I wasn't as impressed as I was hoping for the part I saw, but sounds like I may have missed some good stuff in the last half of the episode.

So no rating from me on this one! I'll wait for the next episode.

Edited to add my opinion on the credits since I actually saw those:
*Joel's music is still great
*the scenes they show of the city rising are still great
*TH being bumped out of the opening credits = no surprise
*AT being in 2nd in the credits = no surprise.
* Jewell not being in opening credits = somewhat surprised. I thought she was a regular now? Guess she's only recurring.

Gee, I'm really out of the loop for a Stargate fan, aren't I. ;)

lunchbox
September 29th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Good episode but I wasn't feelin' it, y'know? Just people scurrying around fixing stuff and there has to be those moments where when they fix something, something else goes wrong.

and nanites can regrow hair that's been shaved off back to its original length? Neat!

7/10

vaberella
September 29th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Was there any scenes between Weir and Teyla like Ronon and Weir?
:teyla::weir: scene was not that interesting and not much going on there. I never saw them as having a real relationship anyway, no matter how much I wanted one. Weir was having issues with the nanites...yes, it brought her back but she saw them as the enemy. Teyla was trying to be comforting which was worthless in the situation. Actually Teyla saying as few words as possible in that scene would make her more viable because she's the only one in with a brain half the time, to see her willing to dispel so many of the problems with the situation to be comforting made no sense.

:ronan::weir: just an uber weird scene. It's not to say it's good or bad. But Ronon was characterisitically Ronon, it was just something really interesting to see on screen. It was one of the best moments on screen. I also count when Ronon enters the sick bay on the stretcher and Ronon is already there talking to the other doctor a Ronon/Weir sort of scene. Ronon was cool.

He was so cool he did a whole Napolean Dynamite quote..."Lucky" when John and Radek came back from their stint in space. <---It was quite entertaining for me. I got the feeling the Napolean Dynamite was Chuck or Lorne's DVD. :S :D

funks
September 29th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Loved every minute! The jumper scene was great, the CG was much better than in the "leaked" episodes.

Except who is going to fix that broken tower in Atlantis now? Or is it going to stay broken?

Vala,

They should be able to fix it. Then can pretty much build anything they want now due to the asgard technology.

kymeric
September 29th, 2007, 08:33 AM
Just so-so episode for me. I guess I was expecting a little more with a lighter workload this year. I did think the Carter scenes were unnecessary and sort of lame, but hopefully they will tie into next week's episode.

Thought Radek was great.

Applauds Jewell for getting out all the medical jargon she had to say.

Kind of hard to see that both John and Rodney had to leave the station to deal with the asteroids, leaving nobody in command.

Tacky, unprofessional, disrespectful and premature with the new credits.

All you guys complaining about the credits need to realize that they are hammered out beforehand for the entire season. Actors name placement in the credits is a huge thing. Thats why carson was in the credits after he died. Season thing. So stop ure *****in people!

jenks
September 29th, 2007, 08:37 AM
I see they fixed the shield CGI, it never used to surround the entire city...

poundpuppy29
September 29th, 2007, 08:40 AM
:teyla::weir: scene was not that interesting and not much going on there. I never saw them as having a real relationship anyway, no matter how much I wanted one. Weir was having issues with the nanites...yes, it brought her back but she saw them as the enemy. Teyla was trying to be comforting which was worthless in the situation. Actually Teyla saying as few words as possible in that scene would make her more viable because she's the only one in with a brain half the time, to see her willing to dispel so many of the problems with the situation to be comforting made no sense.

:ronan::weir: just an uber weird scene. It's not to say it's good or bad. But Ronon was characterisitically Ronon, it was just something really interesting to see on screen. It was one of the best moments on screen. I also count when Ronon enters the sick bay on the stretcher and Ronon is already there talking to the other doctor a Ronon/Weir sort of scene. Ronon was cool.

He was so cool he did a whole Napolean Dynamite quote..."Lucky" when John and Radek came back from their stint in space. <---It was quite entertaining for me. I got the feeling the Napolean Dynamite was Chuck or Lorne's DVD. :S :D
Thank you for answering my ? I gave you green I do think Weir and Teyla have a good friendship and respect each other so something is better than nothing.

ann_sgcfan
September 29th, 2007, 08:46 AM
I have already posted my comments last night about the episode... I really enjoyed it! I just wanted to add to my comments in lieu of other comments... I liked the way Carter was introduced.... I thought it was setting up for the next epsiode which I haven't seen yet. I would have been much more surprised if no one was looking for Atlantis. The entire city is missing. They missed their rendezvous point. They are pretty sure the city escaped the Replicators, but where are they? What's going on? I think it's a very legitimate question that someone has to ask. Looking forward to next week! :D

Cautious Explorer
September 29th, 2007, 08:53 AM
I have already posted my comments last night about the episode... I really enjoyed it! I just wanted to add to my comments in lieu of other comments... I liked the way Carter was introduced.... I thought it was setting up for the next epsiode which I haven't seen yet. I would have been much more surprised if no one was looking for Atlantis. The entire city is missing. They missed their rendezvous point. They are pretty sure the city escaped the Replicators, but where are they? What's going on? I think it's a very legitimate question that someone has to ask. Looking forward to next week! :D

Ellis was looking for Atlantis. We knew that. A quick communication from Ellis to Carter or whoever he could reach would have sufficed. We hardly needed the Carter/Lee comedy routine. It didn't fit with the drama of the show. Slow, boring and useless.

The_Carpenter
September 29th, 2007, 09:14 AM
I don't know about always. Take the season finales of season 8 SG1 and season 1 SGA for example. Moebuis part 2 took place before the Seige part two. We know this because SG1 acquired the ZPM in Moebius 2 which helped save Atlantis in the Seige 2.

For the sake of argument, say Moebius took place a long time before the Seige, then why would they have waited so long to contact Atlantis? They had to have occured right after the other.

Though the Atlantis team was on Earth for 6 months in the Return part 1 after the Ancients evicted them, along with the fact that there could be a unspecified length of time between stories.

Adrift was awesome but Lifeline is even better :sheppard:

ann_sgcfan
September 29th, 2007, 09:29 AM
Ellis was looking for Atlantis. We knew that. A quick communication from Ellis to Carter or whoever he could reach would have sufficed. We hardly needed the Carter/Lee comedy routine. It didn't fit with the drama of the show. Slow, boring and useless.

lol well that's why there are so many fandoms we all view the episodes in our on way and have our on opinions on things. :D Yes Ellis contacted Carter to see if she had heard from Atlantis and Carter and Lee did some brainstorming... I thought it fit nicely and setup next weeks episode and only time will tell if that is the case... but to each their own :D

VSS
September 29th, 2007, 09:37 AM
Correct it had to have. What I meant to say was that Unending and First Strike no way could have occured simultaneously.

Absolutely, because Carter became a full-bird colonel somewhere in there. Plus, rumor has it that the movies were set between Unending and Adrift, which occurs on essentially the same day as First Strike.

I'm thinking they're weeks, if not months apart.

Wilson3Girl
September 29th, 2007, 09:39 AM
I loved the shorthand between McKay-Zelenka and McKay-Sheppard.
I've missed seeing that between McKay-Zelenka as it hasn't been shown in awhile. "We could.........no......but.......yeah, that's an idea!" and Sheppard saying "Would someone include me in this conversation?!"
Later, Shep and Rodney did the same thing when Shep was thinking out loud about his asteroid idea.

I am a huge fan of the Sheppard-McKay banter, but I must say that I am very much enjoying this new level of friendship that the viewer is being allowed to see.......of course Rodney calling Shep "John" was a highlight.
Although some people think a bigger deal should've been made over it, I think it was a big deal the way Rodney said it. The way he said John for the first time was very moving. He desperately wanted to save Elizabeth and he wanted Shep to go along with the nanite plan. When Shep forbade him, Rodney couldn't even answer. He made a sound as if he was about to cry or something. I thought that was a wonderful scene between the two of them.
As someone else said earlier, they got to switch roles a bit----with Shep being more logical and McKay being the emotional one. Kudos to JF/DH. Great stuff. :)

Briangate78
September 29th, 2007, 09:39 AM
Well from looking at multiple forums, sites, and reviews. This episode has gotten a lot of great feedback. More of an A episode than a B+ episode in fact. This show is on it's way to be amazing.

Listy
September 29th, 2007, 09:51 AM
I thought this episode was a very good season opener.

Sheppard took on the role of leader in a difficult situation with impossible decisions to make and I really felt the angst and emotion. The discussion with Keller explaining Weirs injuries, had such great emotion and Sheppard had tears in his eyes, which was very well acted by JF.

The interactions between Sheppard and McKay were brilliant. Rodney accepted that Sheppard was in control and needed to be kept informed of what was happening. Also some nice moments between them.

The Asteroids scene was brilliant, Sheppard taking charge with al of those jumpers, clearing a path, fantastic


I liked how Sheppard was professional here, not letting his personal feelings get in the way of difficult decisions. I also liked that Rodney was the one who had the emotional response and was a little reckless reactivating Weir's nanites out of the desperate need to save her. Sheppard and McKay's responses changed here from the norm. Usually McKay is the logical one and Sheppard is driven by his emotions and desire to save everyone, but here he became a leader and thought of the city first, and Rodney let his emotions rule his judgement. I like that development for both characters.

I completely agree it was an interesting reaction from both of them and I liked the changes in response to a difficult situation.

Ronon's scene with Weir was very emotional and a nice moment, I thought it was nice for him to feel the need to thank her. I enjoyed the scene with Zelenka and Sheppard in space with the mini asteroids. I also thought the scenes with Carter and Dr Lee, where nice and their banter was enjoyable.

Rodney finally called Sheppard "John" I know its only small but hey its the first time!!! and I was impressed.

I thought this was a fantastic episode and I enjoyed every minute of it, if this is any indication of S4 its going to be brilliant.


I guess so! I mean many times things that some characters pull off or perform are ridiculously unrealistic, and certainly some of the medical scenes are, er, well, put it this way, half the characters in the TV world would be dead by now if resus scenes in real life were carried out the way some have been on fictional TV.! :lol: I guess it is fiction so we have to suspend disbelief at times. :)

:lol: very true!!

Callie
September 29th, 2007, 09:52 AM
Transcript is done:

http://www.brundlequotes.com/page10.htm

metabog
September 29th, 2007, 09:56 AM
I don't get why they didn't use the city's Stargate to leave. We've seen that using a Stargate to go to a planet in the same galaxy doesn't need that much power (the one on Earth is run with either normal everyday power or Naquadah Generators, which are nothing compared to ZPMs)

Second of all...

Seeing the episode with all sound effects, I realized that the no-sfx screeners were actually pretty interesting. Atlantis just has too much stupid beeping from all the devices. At the end of the episode, McKay is working on his laptop and you can hear beep beep beep trllllll every time he types something or does anything, it's just... stupid and outdated for things to beep. And in the Zelenka + Shepperd space activity part, it's annoying how you can hear them stepping on the floor, and other sounds. The screener, with no sounds in space was way more realistic and awesome. And I can name other parts where I realize they could have gone without some SFX.

Otherwise, the episode was AWESOME.

edit: Oh, and in the part with Sam and Bill in the Midway Station, they were in weightlessness but Sam's hair wasn't drifting away as in real space, and there were many things that gave it off as a cheap effect, but doing it realistically is really HARD so they can get away with that :p.

I think the character of that medic who was trying to remove Ronon's glass should be recurring, he's got something going for him.

jannagalaxy
September 29th, 2007, 09:56 AM
I thought it wasn't too bad but, I'm going miss Elizabeth (Torri) as much as I am for Carson and Aiden.

The first half seemed like it was just John and Rodney. I thought that was totally boring. But I got interested when Radek and John did the space walk :)

Also the line "If you dumb it down I'm going to it hit you." Had me in total giggles.

I couldn't believe Rodney's suggestion at the end of the episode about where to get the ZPMs. :) Wow! Has he changed in the past few years. So different from the person who said Teal'c was dead.

The tension between John and Rodney was amazing.

As much as I like AT, I thought the bit with Lee and Carter was just silly. I'm still trying to work out what the IOA will think of military in charge of Atlantis? I'm thinking it might be because of the threat of the ausrans and the wraith....but I suppose I'll have to wait and see.

I think I'll give this episode 8/10

FoolishPleasure
September 29th, 2007, 10:05 AM
I don't get why they didn't use the city's Stargate to leave.

The stargates need a point of origin to function - based on a planet's gravitational field. Floating in space renders the gates useless. Same holds for ships like the Deddy and Apollo.

The gates we've seen in space are all anchored to a planet which provides the PoO.

wolverine_nl
September 29th, 2007, 10:11 AM
cant wait for next week, for a season opener 8/10

jenks
September 29th, 2007, 10:15 AM
The stargates need a point of origin to function - based on a planet's gravitational field. Floating in space renders the gates useless. Same holds for ships like the Deddy and Apollo.

The gates we've seen in space are all anchored to a planet which provides the PoO.

You don't need to be on a planet to have a point of origin, gravity has nothing to do with it. The reason they couldn't use the Stargate was that Atlantis was moving too fast and the sub light engines weren't operational to slow it down, they couldn't keep a wormhole open because their point of origin was changing.

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 10:18 AM
The stargates need a point of origin to function - based on a planet's gravitational field. Floating in space renders the gates useless. Same holds for ships like the Deddy and Apollo.

The gates we've seen in space are all anchored to a planet which provides the PoO.
Actually McKay said they could have used the gate if they could stop the city which they couldn't.

And in the Zelenka + Shepperd space activity part, it's annoying how you can hear them stepping on the floor, and other sounds. The screener, with no sounds in space was way more realistic and awesome. And I can name other parts where I realize they could have gone without some SFX.

Technically speaking Zelenka and Shepperd would have heard the sounds. In fact I'd have to rewatch the episode but Im fairly certain the sound effects do match what they would you would really hear in space.

Integrabyte
September 29th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Actually McKay said they could have used the gate if they could stop the city which they couldn't.

Technically speaking Zelenka and Shepperd would have heard the sounds. In fact I'd have to rewatch the episode but Im fairly certain the sound effects do match what they would you would really ehar.


Where? Did I miss that?

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 10:33 AM
Where? Did I miss that?
Towards the beginning of the episode. McKay did say in order to bring the gate back online they would have to stop the ship.

MartianManhunter
September 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM
and nanites can regrow hair that's been shaved off back to its original length? Neat!

7/10

LOL! I liked that to.

metabog
September 29th, 2007, 11:06 AM
The stargates need a point of origin to function - based on a planet's gravitational field. Floating in space renders the gates useless. Same holds for ships like the Deddy and Apollo.

The gates we've seen in space are all anchored to a planet which provides the PoO.

Good point.

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 11:19 AM
IMO, this episode was completely pointless. Everything was too dragged out, and as said before, the scenes with Carter and Lee seemed too forced. The writers should have trimmed all of the events down (or cut some out) and combined this episode with the next one.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 11:34 AM
IMO, this episode was completely pointless. Everything was too dragged out, and as said before, the scenes with Carter and Lee seemed too forced. The writers should have trimmed all of the events down (or cut some out) and combined this episode with the next one.
I disagree here. I feel there is far too much in the first two episodes to squeeze into one. It'd seem rushed if TPTB had done that, in my opinion.

nlgatefan
September 29th, 2007, 11:48 AM
Overall, I was very pleased with "Adrift". Among the things that stood out for me:

John's reaction when told of the gravity of Weir's injuries -- this was as desolate as we've ever seen Sheppard -- perhaps because he saw it as losing a good friend, perhaps because he realized the load of bricks that running an operation the size and complexity that Atlantis is had just been dropped on him, more likely a combination of the two. In any case, Joe F did an amazing job with this.

That Zelenka had a bit more to do in this episode -- more ideas, and, of course, the spacewalk. Not sure about how realistic it was to have Z wounded by a bit of space shrapnel though -- I was under the impression that those suits were pressurized, and if they developed a hole, what's inside would explode -- I'm just glad that the tough little Czech wasn't splattered all over, and that he was up and around by episode's end, making his contribution to solving the myriad problems at hand.

Rodney -- he really has changed since the series started. That he admitted that there was a problem, and actually apologized to John -- this was a huge step, as the McKay we've seen before would never, ever have apologized at all. I think it's interesting what someone said about John's and Rodney's roles being somewhat reversed in this ep, with John being the more cautious and Rodney being the "go-for-broke" guy. I didn't find it surprising at all that Rodney actually defied John and reactivated the nanites to save Elizabeth's life -- he's known her longer than anyone else on the expedition, and after losing Carson, I think it's totally realistic that he would move heaven and earth to keep her alive.

Ronon's little speech to Elizabeth -- since Ronon is usually so taciturn, and never really seemed to say more than one or two words to Weir, this was a big move forward for him as well. I think Ronon, too, is probably feeling the loss of Carson, who had freed him of the Wraith tracking device, and feared losing Weir, who, although it was quite apparent had some reservations about doing so, allowed him to stay on Atlantis. Ronon, I think, is a much deeper individual than we have seen thus far.

Clearing the path through the asteroid belt -- Sheppard seems like the kind of guy who, under the circumstances, would use not only his trained pilots, but anyone and everyone who had the gene and had been given basic instruction in flyinig a jumper flying the mission to make way for the city. This gave us one of the nicest bits of business in the whole ep -- showing scientists and medical personnel, men and women of every race and nationality -- just dutifully climbing into the jumpers and doing what needed to be done. John's little pep talk to the troops before the mission was a nice touch. Rodney's little rant about being terrible at "Asteroids" was cute; his maneuver to avoid crashing into a part of the city while getting his portion of the job done shows he has gained much better control of a jumper than the guy who couldn't fly in a straight line we saw in S1. All in all, this was a great scene.

Although Teyla didn't really have much to do in this ep, I think this was possibly because of the technical and medical nature of the problems presented. Teyla would realize that her role in such a situation would be to stay out of the way and let others do their work, appearing only to "hold down the fort" while the others were out in the jumpers, and to reassure Elizabeth that Keller and Rodney had made the right decision to save her life. This, again, seems perfectly in-character Teyla to me.

Although Keller had an important part in this ep, I don't think we've seen enough of her to make a judgement. She's clearly not Carson, but she knows that (as demonstrated by her comments to Elizabeth in "First Strike"). I think she'll be just fine, given a fair chance.

Finally, as to Sam and Dr. Lee at the Midway station -- although these bits might have seemed a jarring change of pace to some, I think they reflected exactly what you'd expect -- two scientists going about their work. I don't think Carterr would be unduly concerned about not being able to communicate with the city -- she would have faith that Rodney, Z and the rest of the scientists would be able to handle whatever problems arose unless and until she was informed otherwise, as they had, after all, succeeded in keeping the city going for a whole year without interference or contact with Stargate Command during S1.

Again, this seemed to me a fine start to the fourth season -- an engaging plot, good, solid characterizations, and a ton of great SFX. It looks like the next ep will be even better, with more action. I'll be tuning in for sure!

P-90_177
September 29th, 2007, 11:54 AM
IMO, this episode was completely pointless. Everything was too dragged out, and as said before, the scenes with Carter and Lee seemed too forced. The writers should have trimmed all of the events down (or cut some out) and combined this episode with the next one.

well let's face it the team didn't have much time themselves.

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 11:58 AM
That Zelenka had a bit more to do in this episode -- more ideas, and, of course, the spacewalk. Not sure about how realistic it was to have Z wounded by a bit of space shrapnel though -- I was under the impression that those suits were pressurized, and if they developed a hole, what's inside would explode -- I'm just glad that the tough little Czech wasn't splattered all over, and that he was up and around by episode's end, making his contribution to solving the myriad problems at hand.

That's a common myth. Explosive decompression doesn't work like that.

Cautious Explorer
September 29th, 2007, 12:03 PM
IMO, this episode was completely pointless. Everything was too dragged out, and as said before, the scenes with Carter and Lee seemed too forced. The writers should have trimmed all of the events down (or cut some out) and combined this episode with the next one.

I actually thought they may have been trying to squeeze in too much rather than dragging things out. For instance, I think the asteroid sequence could have been more suspenseful if we had had time to see the reactions of more of the inexperienced pilots, some near misses. The problems kept coming up and being solved in such quick succession that the solutions almost seemed too easy.

1138
September 29th, 2007, 12:05 PM
The reason they couldn't use the Stargate was that Atlantis was moving too fast and the sub light engines weren't operational to slow it down, they couldn't keep a wormhole open because their point of origin was changing.

I wonder why they couldn't just tow the stargate off the city with a jumper and use the jumper's drive to stop the gate's motion relative to the galactic coordinate system. Then, they could dial the gate and ferry everyone off the city using the rest of the jumpers through the gate.

s09119
September 29th, 2007, 12:25 PM
I wonder why they couldn't just tow the stargate off the city with a jumper and use the jumper's drive to stop the gate's motion relative to the galactic coordinate system. Then, they could dial the gate and ferry everyone off the city using the rest of the jumpers through the gate.

Because by the time they established a wormhole and ferried the first group through, Atlantis (moving VERY fast), would've flown to far away to reach.

Skydiver
September 29th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Folks, GROW UP.

This is an open discussion thread. That means that ALL opinions are welcome, be they in liking the show or be they not liking the show.

ALL opinions are valid too.

If you see an opinion you don't agree with, get over it and move on.

Stop taking swipes at those you don't agree with or folks are gonna find themselves on moderation and gagged and be unable to express their own opinions for a while.

And this applies to EVERYONE.

Express your own opinion, don't belittle or mock others for thiers.

Ruined_puzzle
September 29th, 2007, 12:54 PM
It sucked. The only good thing was the Ronon/Weir scene and Shep almost crying. Was that emotion out of Sheppard. OMG. LOL.

Also Shep should be the leader of Atlantis if Elizabeth can't. He was actually really good at it.

rpmguitar
September 29th, 2007, 01:10 PM
I had some very high expectations for this episode, and they were actually exceeded. One of my favorite episodes of the series, and this is one of my favorite shows on TV. I can't wait for next week.

Integrabyte
September 29th, 2007, 01:10 PM
It sucked. The only good thing was the Ronon/Weir scene and Shep almost crying. Was that emotion out of Sheppard. OMG. LOL.

Also Shep should be the leader of Atlantis if Elizabeth can't. He was actually really good at it.


...and who will stick it to the man? He put Lizzie in bad situations several times ....

luvmac
September 29th, 2007, 01:16 PM
I actually thought they may have been trying to squeeze in too much rather than dragging things out. For instance, I think the asteroid sequence could have been more suspenseful if we had had time to see the reactions of more of the inexperienced pilots, some near misses. The problems kept coming up and being solved in such quick succession that the solutions almost seemed too easy.

That was my impressions also. They had so much jammed into the episode that they didn't leave any suspense about what was going to happen next. They had a problem and the solution almost at the same time so there wasn't any "what will they do to get out of it".

I also thought that the asteroid and the Shepperd/Zelenka spacewalk scenes (even though wonderful) were much too short. Like you said I would have loved to see some of the more inexperienced pilots' reactions to what was going on around them. I also thought (like someone else mentioned) that it was a little unrealistic that all those unexperience people and everyone made it through the asteroids unscathed.

s09119
September 29th, 2007, 01:19 PM
That was my impressions also. They had so much jammed into the episode that they didn't leave any suspense about what was going to happen next. They had a problem and the solution almost at the same time so there wasn't any "what will they do to get out of it".

I also thought that the asteroid and the Shepperd/Zelenka spacewalk scenes (even though wonderful) were much too short. Like you said I would have loved to see some of the more inexperienced pilots' reactions to what was going on around them. I also thought (like someone else mentioned) that it was a little unrealistic that all those unexperience people and everyone made it through the asteroids unscathed.

You gotta remember, though, that jumpers respond to a pilot's thoughts: if the pilot thought "OMG! An asteroid is hurtling toward me! I need to move!", it would probably move by itself.

TMM
September 29th, 2007, 01:29 PM
Well first time poster here, but not a first time viewer and have been watching religiously for about four years (saw one random episode of SG-1, bought season one, fell in love!).

Just finished watching the Adrift, and I have to say I'm very happy with it. Season openers for any series are always going to be very interesting as they could just ruin the cliff-hanging ending of last season, completely change the direction of the series as a whole or just be damn good. This was the third of those options.

Everyone has an opinion on Carter joining Atlantis, and I'm one of those who like the idea. Personally mid-season would've made more sense, what with the whole Ori war going on, it's a bit of curious timing. I like Weir, but I don't have the "attachment" that I do to great characters like Jack O'Neill, Daniel Jackson, Rodney McKay or John Shepherd for example. With Weir I've always found her to be a good character who isn't irreplaceable. So with her being nearly killed I wasn't, "oh I hope she doesn't die" I was more like "oh, she might die...hmmmm." She's like Ford who seemed to be just "there" a lot of the time. She had/has some very good moments, but isn't particularly integral to anything, and Carter can come in and replace her and, in my view, better her.

One of my favourite moments in the episode was when Weir was sitting up and pulled off the bandages and her hair had miraculously been restored by the nanites. It's just a big "something isn't quiter ight" moment for the episode, and kind of sums up the direction Weir's character 'might' take during the season. For such a small moment to be one of my favourites...random huh? :)
The jumpers shooting the asteroids made sense to me. However, the fact they had about twenty jumpers when I do NOT remember them having a seemingly unlimited supply of them was probably my only disappointing moment of the episode.

The Carter and Lee scenes did seem a little tacked on at times, but you do need lighter, slower moments in shows otherwise this episode would've been "problem, solved, new problem, solved" and those scenes served to break the episode up and give people a big of a proverbial 'breather', and hey, they introduce Carter to new fans, and let them know she's a genius, so they serve their purpose.

Anyway, enough of my incesent waffling about Adrift. Just wanted to post my thoughts in here and read others.

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 01:31 PM
I disagree here. I feel there is far too much in the first two episodes to squeeze into one. It'd seem rushed if TPTB had done that, in my opinion.

They could have easily removed scenes such as the asteroid belt and the spacewalk, explaining the problem as something more easily solved. Weir's surgery could have been completely cut out, explaining that her injuries were something that couldn't be solved by Atlantis' medical team. The scenes with Carter and Lee could also be removed, as they serve no purpose. The removal of those scenes probably cuts more than half the episode.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 01:36 PM
They could have easily removed scenes such as the asteroid belt and the spacewalk, explaining the problem as something more easily solved. Weir's surgery could have been completely cut out, explaining that her injuries were something that couldn't be solved by Atlantis' medical team. The scenes with Carter and Lee could also be removed, as they serve no purpose. The removal of those scenes probably cuts more than half the episode.
I personally enjoyed all of those scenes, especially the asteroid field one. So, for me, the episode wouldn't have been as good without that particular visually thrilling scene. I love asteroids, and not just the game! Twenty odd jumpers zapping them was a thrilling moment as far as I'm concerned. I adored the spacewalk too! I'd have hated to have not seen that :)

IWantToBelieve
September 29th, 2007, 01:40 PM
They could have easily removed scenes such as the asteroid belt and the spacewalk, explaining the problem as something more easily solved. Weir's surgery could have been completely cut out, explaining that her injuries were something that couldn't be solved by Atlantis' medical team. The scenes with Carter and Lee could also be removed, as they serve no purpose. The removal of those scenes probably cuts more than half the episode.

You can remove a lot of scenes from a lot of different tv programs and books, that doesn't mean taking them out makes it better.

DONNA BOOTH
September 29th, 2007, 01:40 PM
I actually think there was some really good scenes in it overall i like the scene between Rodney and John that was excellently done and i really like seeing a bit more of Keller

Trek_Girl42
September 29th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Loved it! Great character stuff, great story. I love that basically the vacuum of space is the enemy in this and not evil bad guys. The fleet of puddle jumpers was pretty sweet. :D

And how after every problem was fixed it was "Doctor Mckay and Colonal Sheppard to the control room". :P And you know how dire the situation is when Mckay isn't constantly insulting Zelenka. I kept expecting Mckay to deliver barbs and he mostly didn't.

Also really liked the Sam/Doctor Lee side of things, Midway is looking pretty good. And I actually quite like where the Weir story is going. When she pulled off her bandages.....that gave me shivers. :S

And the ending......wow, next week sounds like it's gonna be good. :D

My favourite season opener yet. :D

Ruined_puzzle
September 29th, 2007, 01:41 PM
...and who will stick it to the man? He put Lizzie in bad situations several times ....

Why does he have to? It's not like can do that with Carter. Doesn't he have to be a good little puppy and do whatever she says since she is military.

I just thought it would have been interesting to see John in command of Atlantis for at least half a season. Seen how he deals with it, instead of the norm of him going offworld. But then I guess zomg the team would be destroyed. :rolleyes: and we can't have that. :rolleyes:

luvmac
September 29th, 2007, 01:44 PM
You gotta remember, though, that jumpers respond to a pilot's thoughts: if the pilot thought "OMG! An asteroid is hurtling toward me! I need to move!", it would probably move by itself.

Is that really true? I know that the HUD and drones and such as activated by the thoughts of the pilot but isn't the puddlejumper itself flown by the control sticks (except if it's on autopilot and it more than likely just flies on a set course like in an airplane). In the Defiant Ones John snapped at Rodney for taking his hands off the control sticks. Also, when Rodney shot the asteroid that was going to hit one of the towers on Atlantis he had to quickly grab the stick and pull up or he would have run into the tower.

It's the reason why I thought at least a few of the pilots wouldn't have made it. You would have to have some really quick reflexes to be able to navigate something like an asteroid field, especially when things are blowing up all around you. From some of the statements made there were people in the group that had never flown an actual puddlejumper, their only experience was in simulators.

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 01:44 PM
I personally enjoyed all of those scenes, especially the asteroid field one. So, for me, the episode wouldn't have been as good without that particular visually thrilling scene. I love asteroids, and not just the game! Twenty odd jumpers zapping them was a thrilling moment as far as I'm concerned. I adored the spacewalk too! I'd have hated to have not seen that :)

They may have been good scenes, but none of them furthered the plot. All they were were problem after problem after problem, and even more problems left at the end of the episode.

jckfan55
September 29th, 2007, 01:45 PM
I thought it was pretty good. They did surprise me about the nanites for Weir. And the low key introduction of Carter made some sense as a setup for future episodes.

kirmit
September 29th, 2007, 02:04 PM
IMO it was a mediocre episode at best, no where near the level a season opener should be. Through lack of a better word, it was quite boring, the plot went stale after about 5 minutes and it just turned into problem after problem after problem, it got quite tiresome. IMO TPTB tried to cover up a weak plot with lots of 'cool CGI' which unfortunately seems to be a theme with Atlantis. One thing I always loved about sg-1 was that in even the most dire situations there was still room for a bit of humour, even if it was just a quick bit. Now I know Atlantis is supposed to be alot darker but the humour was definately missed. They had the part with Dr. Lee and even though I love the guy I just didn't find it funny, didn't even bring a smile to my face. Overall I'd give it 6/10 but I know for sure the next episode will be better.

s09119
September 29th, 2007, 02:21 PM
IMO it was a mediocre episode at best, no where near the level a season opener should be. Through lack of a better word, it was quite boring, the plot went stale after about 5 minutes and it just turned into problem after problem after problem, it got quite tiresome. IMO TPTB tried to cover up a weak plot with lots of 'cool CGI' which unfortunately seems to be a theme with Atlantis. One thing I always loved about sg-1 was that in even the most dire situations there was still room for a bit of humour, even if it was just a quick bit. Now I know Atlantis is supposed to be alot darker but the humour was definately missed. They had the part with Dr. Lee and even though I love the guy I just didn't find it funny, didn't even bring a smile to my face. Overall I'd give it 6/10 but I know for sure the next episode will be better.

Complete disagreement here. I've heard a lot of "it was boring" coming from people, and I have to say;

This was not meant to be an action-packed thrillride. Adrift was, in every way, meant to be a very dramatic and serious episode. No, there should NOT be an abundance of humor, joking, or snark, because this is a life-or-death situation kind of episode. They all came very close to dying, I think some people are forgetting that.

Humor is a good thing, but it would have been so unrealistic here, it would have ruined the entire feel of the episode, which was one of fear, confusion, and panic.

That said, I agree with you on one point; it seems likely that TPTB added the jumper/asteroid scene merely as a way to use flashy effects to cover a few of their weak plotlines, but I don't think it destroyed the episode. I'd give it an 8 or 9 out of 10.

monkey_man132
September 29th, 2007, 02:23 PM
I loved "Adrift". It was well done with great special effects. The part with McKay babbling and not telling everyone whats going on was lame, he wasted more time not telling it straight forward. I loved the micro asteroids it was great! puddle jumpers pwned big asteroids, what else do you want! ;)

I would love to see Weir go evil(if its done well)

and stealing from replicators :eek:

definetly tuneing in for "Lifeline" (i would even if "Adrift" stink'd :o )

MitchellSG1
September 29th, 2007, 02:25 PM
I enjoyed this episode and can't wait to see how it concludes next week. I have a good feeling about season 4.

Nice character moments between John and Rodney, Ronon and Elizabeth. I was surprised that the only scene between Teyla and Elizabeth was after Elizabeth had woken up.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Keller as the season progresses, it was a good introduction for the character.

Carter's introduction was nicely balanced and it felt like her scenes were a build up to next week.

Overall I would give it an 8/10

taenhago
September 29th, 2007, 02:33 PM
Definitely didn't live up to the hype they were promising. Predictable moves ... rehashed stories. No different outcome.

Hope Lifeline is better.


I agree, a real bore, been there, done that, a couple of nice bits, but most of the charterters seemed to be seaching for their "character"!

Trek_Girl42
September 29th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Complete disagreement here. I've heard a lot of "it was boring" coming from people, and I have to say;

This was not meant to be an action-packed thrillride. Adrift was, in every way, meant to be a very dramatic and serious episode. No, there should NOT be an abundance of humor, joking, or snark, because this is a life-or-death situation kind of episode. They all came very close to dying, I think some people are forgetting that.

Humor is a good thing, but it would have been so unrealistic here, it would have ruined the entire feel of the episode, which was one of fear, confusion, and panic.

I heartily agree- and the little bits of humour that were there were nicely played. Anything more would have ruined the seriousness. I was very pleased with what they did will all the characters: the scene with Ronon visiting Weir, the scene with Teyla and Weir, Mckay disobeying Sheppard's orders, Mckay not bagging on Zelenka in the usual way, the minimal introduction of Sam. Excellent stuff. :jack_new_anime07:

kirmit
September 29th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Complete disagreement here. I've heard a lot of "it was boring" coming from people, and I have to say;

This was not meant to be an action-packed thrillride. Adrift was, in every way, meant to be a very dramatic and serious episode. No, there should NOT be an abundance of humor, joking, or snark, because this is a life-or-death situation kind of episode. They all came very close to dying, I think some people are forgetting that.

Humor is a good thing, but it would have been so unrealistic here, it would have ruined the entire feel of the episode, which was one of fear, confusion, and panic.

That said, I agree with you on one point; it seems likely that TPTB added the jumper/asteroid scene merely as a way to use flashy effects to cover a few of their weak plotlines, but I don't think it destroyed the episode. I'd give it an 8 or 9 out of 10.

I wasn't expecting an action packed episode but to me they just did nothing and that's what made it boring, they had the opportunity for nice character moments but missed them. The part with ronon talking to weir was nice but too short, I thought it could've helped given us more of the character but it was made short and really didn't show much of his personality.

the humour as I said could've been short and sweet, just a tiny bit. It would not of been unrealistic for stargate, how times in the past have they been facing 'certain death' and still had time for a joke? About a million times. I agree there was a state of confusion and panic that took lead role which shoved humour out of the picture but it didn't even have the come from the Atlantis crew. The scene with Carter and Dr. Lee could've been funnier, we know the guy has it in him (Shrinking comes to mind :P) and the scenes were shown to be brighter and more relaxed, perfect timing for a quick laugh.

I get the feeling this will be like 'Avalon 1&2' and 'Origin', the episodes on their own aren't that interesting to watch but watched together make brilliant viewing. I think watching 'First Strike', 'Adrift' and 'Lifeline' together will be brilliant viewing.

ColCaldwell
September 29th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I hope they get smart this season and finally court marshall Sheppard.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 02:48 PM
I hope they get smart this season and finally court marshall Sheppard.
Okaaaay ...... ;)

kymeric
September 29th, 2007, 02:52 PM
The stargates need a point of origin to function - based on a planet's gravitational field. Floating in space renders the gates useless. Same holds for ships like the Deddy and Apollo.

The gates we've seen in space are all anchored to a planet which provides the PoO.

Mckay said they were moving too fast to use a POO. You got to be relatively motionless to dial out, or your POO is different than what u punched in.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 02:55 PM
Mckay said they were moving too fast to use a POO. You got to be relatively motionless to dial out, or your POO is different than what u punched in.


I'm so sorry, but I really chuckled at the hilighted bit above! :lol:

ColCaldwell
September 29th, 2007, 02:58 PM
Okaaaay ...... ;)

He's put the expedition in danger way too many times. He needs to be demoted to Janitor Sheppard.

Shipperahoy
September 29th, 2007, 02:58 PM
I'm writing this without having read through the thread first so I apologize if I'm going over the same things that others have.

First off, overall I really enjoyed the episode. It was intense and dramatic, real edge of your seat nail-biter. and I love seeing Atlantis in space. I had a few minor niggles as far as character interaction go though. The team was split up most of the time with Shep off with Zelenka, Ronan injured, Weir dying for most of it, Rodney doing his science thing, and Teyla...actually I'm not quite sure what Teyla was doing. I did like that when it came to Weir that the usually logic-minded Rodney was the one who was thinking with his heart while Shep was thinking with his head although, I do think that Sheppard was a little more cold than I thought he'd be. It's not that I don't think that his decision not to activate the nanites was not in keeping with his military training but more that he showed almost no emotion at the thought of Elizabeth dying.

My second quibble was the nanite storyline. Yeah it was a quick fix easy out type of thing but that wasn't my issue. It's just that the foreshadowing, what with her being "part replicator for the rest of her life", makes it seems as though she may go darkside and that to closely resembles the Ford storyline for me. He gets some Wraith DNA or whatever and goes all Phantom of the Opera faced quasi bad guy. I hope they don't go there with Weir. Still, it's just a feeling so maybe they won't go in that direction at all.

Pegasus_SGA
September 29th, 2007, 02:59 PM
I hope they get smart this season and finally court marshall Sheppard.

On what basis?


Mckay said they were moving too fast to use a POO. You got to be relatively motionless to dial out, or your POO is different than what u punched in.

:lol: I know i'm being childish, but, ROFL :D

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 03:00 PM
He's put the expedition in danger way too many times. He needs to be demoted to Janitor Sheppard.
Er, I don't see what this has to do with the Adrift discussion? I can't see anything Sheppard did in Adrift to be unprofessional, and this discussion is about Adrift? Unless there are some actions Sheppard took that were unprofessional or negligent in Adrift that I missed?

ColCaldwell
September 29th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Er, I don't see what this has to do with the Adrift discussion? I can't see anything Sheppard did in Adrift to be unprofessional, and this discussion is about Adrift? Unless there are some actions Sheppard took that were unprofessional or negligent in Adrift that I missed?

Easy him just being there.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 03:04 PM
Easy him just being there.
Sheppard being in Adrift makes him unprofessional or a janitor? I see. I'm obviously not quite seeing your point here. Time to move on. :)

Trek_Girl42
September 29th, 2007, 03:06 PM
Easy him just being there.
That's not a reason. :rolleyes:

Shipperahoy: I agree- I really hope Elizabeth doesn't go all Ford either. I don't want dark side Elizabeth, I think her being ousted by the military/IOA/however she doesn't end up in charge anymore is enough. She needs to go back to Earth to recover, and not be sorta-evil. :P

Pegasus_SGA
September 29th, 2007, 03:15 PM
He's put the expedition in danger way too many times. He needs to be demoted to Janitor Sheppard.

Ah, I get ya! That makes lots of sense now, thanks for clearing that up... ooh Col Caldwell maybe it's you who should do the janitoring? ;)


I'm writing this without having read through the thread first so I apologize if I'm going over the same things that others have.

First off, overall I really enjoyed the episode. It was intense and dramatic, real edge of your seat nail-biter. and I love seeing Atlantis in space. I had a few minor niggles as far as character interaction go though. The team was split up most of the time with Shep off with Zelenka, Ronan injured, Weir dying for most of it, Rodney doing his science thing, and Teyla...actually I'm not quite sure what Teyla was doing. I did like that when it came to Weir that the usually logic-minded Rodney was the one who was thinking with his heart while Shep was thinking with his head although, I do think that Sheppard was a little more cold than I thought he'd be. It's not that I don't think that his decision not to activate the nanites was not in keeping with his military training but more that he showed almost no emotion at the thought of Elizabeth dying.

I loved the episode to, the drama, the emotions, the storyline, quite a twist there with the nanites, which I enjoyed thoroughly. I loved that everyone was working together, it felt very team-esque (that's my new word btw), and although they were working seperately as you said Shipper, it still felt they were together... if that makes sense. I liked that slight role reversal, it made a nice change. The only thing I felt was a bit off, was McKay's reaction to Weir's near dying, it felt a bit blaze when in comparison his and Shep's scene felt extremely heartfelt. I have to disagree with you on the no emotion bit from Shep. I think he say's it more with his eyes than the words. For me though, I felt it was very military, in that he kew she wouldn't want Weir to risk the city, if there was even the smallest chance the nanites could call to the others.


My second quibble was the nanite storyline. Yeah it was a quick fix easy out type of thing but that wasn't my issue. It's just that the foreshadowing, what with her being "part replicator for the rest of her life", makes it seems as though she may go darkside and that to closely resembles the Ford storyline for me. He gets some Wraith DNA or whatever and goes all Phantom of the Opera faced quasi bad guy. I hope they don't go there with Weir. Still, it's just a feeling so maybe they won't go in that direction at all.

I know what you mean, but I see it from a different perspective. I love that she got this storyline. Not necessarily her recurring status, but the chance to go outside her normal character, and for her to go 'darkside' could be interesting.

Linzi
September 29th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Ah, I get ya! That makes lots of sense now, thanks for clearing that up... ooh Col Caldwell maybe it's you who should do the janitoring? ;)



I loved the episode to, the drama, the emotions, the storyline, quite a twist there with the nanites, which I enjoyed thoroughly. I loved that everyone was working together, it felt very team-esque (that's my new word btw), and although they were working seperately as you said Shipper, it still felt they were together... if that makes sense. I liked that slight role reversal, it made a nice change. The only thing I felt was a bit off, was McKay's reaction to Weir's near dying, it felt a bit blaze when in comparison his and Shep's scene felt extremely heartfelt. I have to disagree with you on the no emotion bit from Shep. I think he say's it more with his eyes than the words. For me though, I felt it was very military, in that he kew she wouldn't want Weir to risk the city, if there was even the smallest chance the nanites could call to the others.



I know what you mean, but I see it from a different perspective. I love that she got this storyline. Not necessarily her recurring status, but the chance to go outside her normal character, and for her to go 'darkside' could be interesting.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about Weir going bad. Part of me would hate it, but then again I'm open to all possibilities. I think because of the Ford storyline we're thinking Weir will go dark like he did, but I wonder if TPTB just meant that Weir will be 'out there' somewhere and her exact whereabouts not known? I'm reserving judgement on this until I see how it's executed. :)

Redhooks
September 29th, 2007, 03:37 PM
I was a little disappointed with this episode because the storyline seemed too predictable to me. If you take out the very good special effects, it was a bland episode that makes me wonder where is the tension of The Siege, Pt. 3? (a much better season opener imo) The acting was good, but the story, not so much. Of course, I have never liked the whole Replicator storyline and I am starting to really wonder about when we will see some originality in the plots from these writers? It sort of reminds me why I got bored with this show back in mid to late season 2. Seeing the leaked unfinished episode after watching the premiere, I really noticed how much sound does add to an episode, but it highlighted even more to me the predictablity of the plot. I hope that, as someone else has already mentioned, this episode really cannot be seen alone and needs to be viewed with First Strike and Lifeline.

I give it a 6.5/10.

Alipeeps
September 29th, 2007, 03:42 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. Possibly the best season opener yet. There was a great sense of tension and almost despair that they're ever going to get through this because the problems are so insurmountable and the city is so damaged that they keep finding more problems as fast as they find solutions. The episode was also very character focused and I really enjoyed that. Seeing Sheppard being in command was interesting.. and seeing how that affected his friendship with Rodney was interesting too. I like that he took him aside to quietly point out that he needed to be kept in the loop and that McKay couldn't just make decisions without him. The conflict between then over the nanites was incredible - first time we've really seen that and a very powerful scene. I alo enjoyed the apology.. the fact that McKay took that first step to say I know you're mad at me and with some reason but we've got to work together. Wonderful. Oh and what else can I possibly say about Sheppard's reaction to the news about Weir... without speaking a word Joe F conveyed such incredible emotion. Just wow.

I enjoyed McKay in this episode and did feel that he has matured a little... in his dealings with Zelenka etc., we got to see more of their friendship and the years they have spent working together. We saw a hint of that in First Strike and it's nice to see it continued here. When you compare that scene to e.g. the scene in The Siege Part I where under similar dire circumstances Zelenka tries to be serious/supportive and McKay responds with sarcasm, you can see how their relationship has grown.

I loved the scene with Ronon and Weir.. nice to see Jason Momoa given a little more emotional range to work with rather than Ronon just being the strong silent type all the time. It was a good scene.

I also loved the effects and the CGI - from the jumpers flight to the space walk.. wonderful, grand-scale stuff.

There's probably lots more I could say but there's so much I enjoyed that that I can't even think where to start. Can't wait for LIfeline...


One little nitpick: McKay just figuring out how to program a piece of advanced alien technology to repair human flesh is a bit of a reach.

Well he does already have experience of reprogramming the replicators...


I suspect the fact that they couldn't remotely shut down the systems is in large part due to Rodney's modifications from "The Tao of Rodney". Smooth move ex-lax. For being so brilliant, he's not to smart.

No, they couldn't shut down the systems remotely because of the damage the beam caused to the city.


McKAY: Nothing! Well, the control grid’s all out of whack. I can’t shut the systems down from here. We’re bleeding out!



2.) Even if they couldn't use the star gate to get people off once they found out where they were, there are still other options they could have used. They could have dialed the gate that was near the black hole. The fact that they were moving would have disconnected the gate after a period of time. This would have protected them not being able to shut the gate off. Then, while the gate was active they could drawn power from the black hole, even if the gate was only active for seconds at a time, they still could have drawn tons of power, thus reducing the strain on the ZPM and buying more time. If they calculated their path of travel and speed, they could do this several times and maybe get some more systems repaired so they could do one last hyperspace jump. Once they got to their rendezvous point, on the very edge of it, they could do it one last time to get down to the planet surface. If they did it right, they could move just out of range, enough to deactivate the gate, while on the decent and get safely down to their new home.



The reason they couldn't use the Stargate was that Atlantis was moving too fast and the sub light engines weren't operational to slow it down, they couldn't keep a wormhole open because their point of origin was changing.

^What he said..

To quote from the episode:

McKAY: Sadly, no. To activate the Gate, we require that we stay within a fairly small area of space. We’re moving too fast to use it.


Technically speaking Zelenka and Shepperd would have heard the sounds. In fact I'd have to rewatch the episode but Im fairly certain the sound effects do match what they would you would really hear in space.

Ummm... no they wouldn't. There is no sound in space... because there is no atmosphere to convey sound. Sound is essentially made by vibration passing through particles in the atmosphere.. without atmosphere there is nothing to pass the sound along.


I agree w/ the McKay able to program the nanites all of a sudden. If he's able to do it now, why not back in TRW? Just seemed like a HUGE jump.

Perhaps he could only reprogram them because they were inactive? Changing their programming before activating them is likely a very different thing from trying to connect to them and change their programming whilst they are actively carrying out their original programming?

Gate Geek
September 29th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I have never been this excited to see a season opener and Adrift failed to disappoint my excitement. There was great special effects, a solid story line and the seriousness of the situation was nailed perfectly by the actors. I have not encountered an episode where so much emotion was conveyed with so little words.

I also loved this episode because they didn't downplay the seriousness of the situation with a lot of comedy. There were a few moments - Shep telling McKay if he dumb things down any further he was going to get hit - comments like this are just enough to offer a lighthearted moment in an otherwise tense situation as believeable and true to life. These moments were very well done.

I had to watch this episode three times to get where Rodney actually says 'John'. It was so subtle and easy to miss that it was seemed quite normal and something Rodney has been doing these last three plus years.Yet, this is the first time that I actually heard it in an episode.

Oh boy, the nanites....can't say this is one of my favorite story plots, but I'll reserve judgement to see where they are taking this angle. Although Shep reaching for his sidearm when they go in to see Elizabeth after being treated with them was reassuring.

There was so much more to this episode that I absolutely loved. It was great to see Shep really stand up in his leadership role and do it very well - making the hard decisions and the reactions of those around him as he makes them. Absolutely great to see.

I can't say there was much in this episode to disappoint. If this is any indication of what to expect from S4, we are in for a kick-arse season.

Rating: 8/10

Lord batchi ball
September 29th, 2007, 04:12 PM
I think them not being able to use the Stargate was because they were not near any planet, also because they were moving to fast and it would drain lots of power.

And about the nanites, it doesn't seem that impractical that the nanites could cure Wier, since all they did was replace the damaged cells with replicator cells and not create or mend human cells.

I really enjoyed the conversation between Rodney and Sheppard and I am glad to see that Rodney stood up to Sheppard and stuck to his decision.

stargate barbie
September 29th, 2007, 04:30 PM
overall i liked the ep, but i really do wish they had aired adrift and lifeline back to back, because adrift felt like a teaser sequence. a good teaser sequence, but still.

nearly everything in this first part, as with a lot of SG two parters was a set up for the second part. had they been back to back, i think it would have made people more excited for the season to come. it would have felt more epic. thats just from a marketing standpoint though i guess.

i loved ronons scene with weir. i think it was important for him to have something like that with her. i just hope teyla gets something substantial with her in the second part.

enjoyed carter and lee's intro to the show. works for those who are familiar with her and for those who aren't IMO. (someone mentioned the lack of gravity not having an effect on her hair. my excuse? hairspray and plenty of it!... um, same goes for lee's hair.)

enjoyed the asteroid scene too. funny and pretty cool lookin'. although i do find it a little difficult to believe that those with very limited experience flying the PJs, and who weren't pilots before, would have the kind of skill required to kick giant space rock ass.

shep and mckay arguing over the nanites was kinda cool. nice tension.

i do think they pushed the point of shep not being all that comfortable in command a bit hard. i kind of feel that it was to appease those who think he should get command of the city. logically, as a lt. col, he can't take command of it, and i think most people who think about it get that. also, anyone who knows the character would realise that he wants to be out in the front lines rather than behind the desk sending others out there.

the weir surgery bit was pretty cool too, and a bit unexpected for me. wasn't expecting them to show it.

teyla really didn't get much to do unfortunately.


some people were talking about weir being taken out of the credits so suddenly, and about carter being put in (and where she was put in). well, unfortunately the credits are taken care of for an entire season (unless a major change happens and they have to change them midway through a season).

beckett was left in for the last few eps last year, because there were only a few left, and it would have cost money to take him out. it wasn't out of any real loyalty to the character.

similarly, they won't have one set of credits for the first two eps, and then change them for the rest of the season. i'm sure they would have liked to, but unfortunately a producer has to think of the cost and not the sentimentality. its not an expense they have to make. even if they were heartless jerks with no respect of remaining loyalty to the weir character, i'm sure they would have liked to keep her in, and not introduce carter as a regular just to keep the audience guessing, but one trip to the producers accountancy office and they would have been told NO. its an unneccessary expense.

seems harsh, but thats producing for you.

as for ATs placing in the credits. i'm ok with her being second, and directly replacing TH. i think in one way, maybe she should have gone after RL, but in another it makes sense for her to be where she is. i know i wasn't pleased in sg1 when the new guy got top billing, so i'm also glad they didn't do that with AT. although i did always think that torri should have been first in the credits, what with her being the boss and all, even had that been the case, i still think it wouldn't be the place for AT as a newbie.

anyway, CGI looked pretty good. better than in previous seasons for either show.

looking forward to the next ep. i give this one and 8/10, but that may go up depending on the next ep.

Arlessiar
September 29th, 2007, 04:56 PM
This argument is pretty silly, but I guess you haven't seen the next episode. Lets just say, if these scenes weren't in Adrift, then a major plot point of Lifeline would make no sense. It's not silly, it's my opinion, and that's as valid as yours. I know the next episode, and while the L/C scenes in Adrift might not have been 100% unnecessary, I still think they were boring and too long. And distracting.

Stop nitpicking and enjoy the ride So criticism isn't allowed anymore? :mckay: This is a discussion thread, it's there for discussion. And people have different opinions and are allowed to voice them (here). If everyone just loved the ep we'd all just go "that was great, keep it coming" and follow the show blindly and silently no matter what happens, but where's the sense in that in such a thread? If people dislike sth. about their fav show, why shouldn't they be allowed to say that? It doesn't mean they don't like the show, quite the opposite I think, and otherwise they wouldn't care about it at all and wouldn't watch/want to talk about it. I'm happy that you are able to enjoy the show the way it is, but that doesn't mean everyone has to do that. And some enjoy the nitpicking, too. :)

I did like that when it came to Weir that the usually logic-minded Rodney was the one who was thinking with his heart while Shep was thinking with his head although, I do think that Sheppard was a little more cold than I thought he'd be. I see it like that, too. It was interesting to see the roles reversed, Sheppard was acting very rationally and McKay rather emotionally. And I do think that Sheppard over-reacted a bit. In the beginning I agree with him, the whole plan sounded too risky at first, and he's in charge and he has to protect the city and the people in it and has to think of that first. But then he also didn't trust Rodney when Rodney finally said that he was absolutely sure that the nanites are harmless now, and he was so very angry, that was rather unusual. It was clear that he didn't want to lose Weir, but then he acted rather cold when he basically told Rodney to shut off the nanites and kill Elizabeth.

Bye, A.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 04:58 PM
I don't know about always. Take the season finales of season 8 SG1 and season 1 SGA for example. Moebuis part 2 took place before the Seige part two. We know this because SG1 acquired the ZPM in Moebius 2 which helped save Atlantis in the Seige 2.

For the sake of argument, say Moebius took place a long time before the Seige, then why would they have waited so long to contact Atlantis? They had to have occured right after the other.

But I didn't say Atlantis was far ahead of SG-1 in terms of the timeline. What I said was "a bit". :P

That's a good question. If they had a ZPM, why didn't they themselves ring up Atlantis?

Skydiver
September 29th, 2007, 05:03 PM
FOlks, let's NOT take others to task for their opinions. I don't care if the only reason they watch the show is so they can rave about the gorgous stained glass windows, they have just as much right ot express their opinion as you do.

jz9
September 29th, 2007, 05:07 PM
Great episode! Very intense. Loved the scene between Weir and Ronan. Dr Keller was good. Liked Carter’s intro – brief but to the point. Look forward to Lifeline.

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Holy Joehosaphat!!! :O

For those that have iTunes, Stargate Atlantis S.4 is up. Adrift. And just to let yall know, it's the wrong eppy. So, if you want to see the episode Reunion, well, nows the time.

Alipeeps
September 29th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Holy Joehosaphat!!! :O

For those that have iTunes, Stargate Atlantis S.4 is up. Adrift. And just to let yall know, it's the wrong eppy. So, if you want to see the episode Reunion, well, nows the time.

Uhhh.. I thought someone said the ep they'd gotten sent was Doppelganger? Don't tell me iTunes have fixed that mistake only to load up *another* incorrect ep?!!

rarocks24
September 29th, 2007, 05:15 PM
Uhhh.. I thought someone said the ep they'd gotten sent was Doppelganger? Don't tell me iTunes have fixed that mistake only to load up *another* incorrect ep?!!

No, it's Doppelganger. Just thought it was Reunion. :S

LoneStar1836
September 29th, 2007, 05:16 PM
Season Three is currently airing in syndication in the US (began the weekend of 9-22/23-07), so the SciFi Channel couldn't air a season three marathon. SciFi Channel won't be able to show season 3 again until it's finished its syndication run in 2008.

Morjana
I figured that was the problem, but that doesn't help me. Season 3 is pretty much a blank for me. Heck all I could remember from the S3 finale were replicators and Atlantis flying off into space. Totally forgot about Weir getting hurt. I saw all episodes once when they originally aired and that was it. It would have been nice to have had a refresher on Skiffy...at least before S3 started syndication. Surely they could have done that. :mckay:

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 05:17 PM
Ummm... no they wouldn't. There is no sound in space... because there is no atmosphere to convey sound. Sound is essentially made by vibration passing through particles in the atmosphere.. without atmosphere there is nothing to pass the sound along.

Yes they would. You don't need air. You just need a medium which would be the spacesuits. Sound can travel through a solid, liquid or a gas. Hence Zelenka and Shepard could hear the sound of their foot steps. Same reason why the Telya heard the comments hitting the city. The sound traveled through the metal.

Alipeeps
September 29th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Yes they would. You don't need air. You just need a medium which would be the spacesuits. Sound can travel through a solid, liquid or a gas. Hence Zelenka and Shepard could hear the sound of their foot steps. Same reason why the Telya heard the comments hitting the city. The sound traveled through the metal.

True, they would hear their footsteps etc... I was thinking more in terms of things like the whizzing/pinging sounds of the microasteroids shooting by and punching through metal walls...

technoextreme
September 29th, 2007, 05:36 PM
True, they would hear their footsteps etc... I was thinking more in terms of things like the whizzing/pinging sounds of the microasteroids shooting by and punching through metal walls...
True. You are right about the whizzing. I completely forgot about that. They might have heard the pinging sound if only because once again there is a medium for the sound to traveling through (the wall).

AutumnDream
September 29th, 2007, 05:51 PM
For those of you altercating with Col. Caldwell, please note that the poster is roleplaying as the character for which his account is named. He is posting in-character. The taken aback reactions are funny, but probably not necessary.

Alipeeps
September 29th, 2007, 05:52 PM
For those of you altercating with Col. Caldwell, please note that the poster is roleplaying as the character for which his account is named. He is posting in-character. The taken aback reactions are funny, but probably not necessary.

As this isn't a roleplaying thread.. if that is the case, then his behaviour is not relevant/appropriate to this thread.

PG15
September 29th, 2007, 05:58 PM
*Cracks knuckles*

Gee whiz, is it that time already? Hmmm, that wait didn't seem as long as I thought it'd be waiting...er...uh...ok, let's start over.

Soooooo, Adrift, the season premier. Well, simply put, I loved it. The tension, expecially in the teaser, was just cranked up to 11 and never put down. I stared at the screen with my mouth hanging open for all of those 4, 5 minutes straight, and it was just incredible. Very nice job opening with a BANG!

Once again, I felt that Martin Gero and Martin Wood his this out of the park. The tension did slip a little bit after the initial brunt, but then, I think it's hard to keep that up for 40+ minutes. Of course, I was a little more spoiled than usual with this episode, so I think that's just an aftereffect of that. I knew there was going to be an astroid field, which unfortunately took up a good half of the episode, which meant that I basically knew how the plot was going to go, for the most part. I also knows what the main plot of Lifeline was, so that sort of spoiled the end...

DAMMIT SPOILERS!!! WHY WON'T YOU LEAVE ME BE?!?!?!

Alright, back to the episode. As I said, the beginning was pure awesome. The music really helped (see? told ya) making the scenes go faster than they really are and really keeps the pace moving. The constant cutting between Keller and McKay also helped in this respect.

Right off the bat, you can see what TPTB has said about the changes. The sets are indeed darker and, dare I say it...greener. I don't know what it is, but everything just seems that much colder. The reds, oranges, yellows seem to fade into the background, and the cooler colors were brought out, along with the darkness. It definitely helped in keeping a shadow over this episode, so that you don't get too comfortable...but then, something else did that job too.

A few minutes in, and we get a truly heart-breaking sequence of Shep's men dying on him because the city's a robot. I pretty much knew that they were done for, even if they had names. Still, I rooted for him, and cringed (in a good way) as the shield got closer and closer. My skin crawled when, well, when it finally happened. Poor...Mathews, was it? I think so.

Let me just take this chance to touch upon Carter's presence in this episode, as a whole. Overall, I wasn't blown away. But then, I don't expect to. This is a setup episode, pure and simple. Dr. Lee's antics were fun, but we have yet to see Carter interact with the Atlantis team, and really, that's when it starts getting interesting. Still, I loved the CGI of the Midway station.

Alright, back to Atlantis. I just need to touch upon the nervous guy, aka. Ronon's doctor. I thought he was just hilarious. Good thing too, since humor wasn't very plentiful in this episode. There were truly a few moments that made me laugh out loud, and I appreciated them, but overall, this episode was very dark indeed.

Speaking of dark...I loved the dark parts. Specifically, the few times when Shep and McKay clashed, especially at the end. It was an intense scene, that's for sure. It was VERY nice seeing McKay stand up to Shep at the end there. I was so proud of him. :D

Oh yeah, and then there was Zelenka! Great to see him getting an extensive role in this episode, and most of his interaction wasn't even with McKay! Very noble men, trying to fix the relays despite a hole in his suit...AND in his legs.

And then we had Teyla, Ronon, and Weir. Overall, I think they were trying really hard to give Teyla lines, and I admire their efforts. Still, I think it's very naive thinking that this episode would be a Teyla smorgasbord (we'll get that later). I was pleasantly surprise to hear and see so much from her, in fact, and I thought it was great. Ronon? What can I say, not many scenes, but as usual, his few scenes were great. From the interaction with the nervous doctor, to his "manly" thank you to Liz. For a moment I thought he was going to kiss her! Very nice. Finally, we have Weir. Now, obviously we didn't see much of her, but I thought it was nice that she acted exactly as Shep predicted. I think there will be a big section of my next review devoted to her.

Alright, I think that's everything...right? Well, let's say it is. Good, now let's move on to the CGI! Holy crap it was AWESOME. The shots of the city were great, I LOVED the part where Shep and Radek jumped the "gorge", and of course, the real life game of asteroids was truly exciting. I grit my teeth and actually shouted at McKay when he was getting so damn close to that building. Very edge-of-seat-thing.

Phew, that was a lot, but I think it was needed for Episode 1 of Season 4.

Score: 9/10

atlantis_babe34
September 29th, 2007, 06:21 PM
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i loved ronons scene with weir. i think it was important for him to have something like that with her. i just hope teyla gets something substantial with her in the second part.

I thought that scene was mega cute. Everyone knew that he had great respect for her, but that scene jsut showed how much he really did think of her and respect her. naww *huggles ronan*


the weir surgery bit was pretty cool too, and a bit unexpected for me. wasn't expecting them to show it.

This scene freaked me out a little. I mean tv surguary yeah sure I can hadle that, but it was just really weird to see lizzy with basically no hair. I think that was the part that freaked me out the most.

as for ATs placing in the credits. i'm ok with her being second, and directly replacing TH. i think in one way, maybe she should have gone after RL, but in another it makes sense for her to be where she is. i know i wasn't pleased in sg1 when the new guy got top billing, so i'm also glad they didn't do that with AT. although i did always think that torri should have been first in the credits, what with her being the boss and all, even had that been the case, i still think it wouldn't be the place for AT as a newbie.

This sparked a big debate between me and my brother. We were watching it and I was so angry that they placed Amanda in Torri's spot, and I know that Torri is reoccuring now and I knew she wouldn't be in the credits, but Amanda isn't in all of them as well.

I was assumeing they would take Torri's credit out and just bump everyone up and have at the end "With Amanda Tapping as Col. Samantha Carter". Putting her in "torri's credit place" was just screaming at me with the denied rumor by the producers "Amanda is not replacing Torri.

With amanda in that spot that, was the first thing that came to my mind, and it just screamed replacement to me.

looking forward to the next ep. i give this one and 8/10, but that may go up depending on the next ep.


overall I thought the episode was very slow, were really nothing that important happened, besides the reactivting nanites and the callasing sheild. I'd rate it 7/10. not the best premire they have had, but still enjoyable.

p-pos
September 29th, 2007, 06:27 PM
i really enjoyed this season opener and agree with all of the positive post in here. ronon and weir touch me the most because i wasn't expecting it. wasn't expecting much of teyla and what they gave her was well done. i love the more serious john, he is forming attachments and things are matter more to him now same for rodney less science and more emotions.

i see this season becoming one of my favorites, a lot of drama, action and the right amount of humor. the team really sees each other as family and it shows.

PG15
September 29th, 2007, 06:41 PM
And now, to answer a few grievances, in my own special little way:


Maybe no puddle jumper, but I can probably think of 10 Startrek episodes shooting through an astoroid field.

Name them.


The fact that the closest world with a ZPM happened to be the Asuran one, and right after Weir was nanited again, felt like extreme plot convenience to set up next week's ep.


Do we know ANY OTHER planets in Pegasus that has a ZPM that we can use for a prolonged period of time (i.e. Childhood's End planet don't count)?

Believe me, it'll be a lot more lame if it just happens that one of the random nearby planets had ZPMs on it.




The puddlejumper vs. asteroid scene was silly. Atlantis already has its leader in a coma and its current leaders are BOTH in danger. What if they had been killed? Who would have been in charge? Chuck? That whole piece was written just so Rodney could make an "Asteroids" funny. Dumb. Just dumb.



Well, they needed everyone with the Ancient gene so they can do their best job of protecting the city. Otherwise, they all die. Besides, Rodney saved the city from that particular hunk of rock, remember?




Also Shep should be the leader of Atlantis if Elizabeth can't. He was actually really good at it.

So you want to see Shep behind a desk for the next 20 episodes?


They could have easily removed scenes such as the asteroid belt and the spacewalk, explaining the problem as something more easily solved. Weir's surgery could have been completely cut out, explaining that her injuries were something that couldn't be solved by Atlantis' medical team. The scenes with Carter and Lee could also be removed, as they serve no purpose. The removal of those scenes probably cuts more than half the episode.

How can you say that certain scenes in the 2nd part of a 3-parter are worthless until you see the entire trilogy?

Of course, you could've already seen Lifeline. I don't know.


For those of you altercating with Col. Caldwell, please note that the poster is roleplaying as the character for which his account is named. He is posting in-character. The taken aback reactions are funny, but probably not necessary.

Please. The real Caldwell is a lot more dignified and rational.

the fifth man
September 29th, 2007, 06:58 PM
I watched this episode again today (since I recorded it last night). And the second time around, I enjoyed it even more. Definitely a great way to kick off Season 4 IMO. Next Friday can't come soon enough.:)

Sarge300491
September 29th, 2007, 07:02 PM
awesome season opener, typical mckay complaining the whole time again :D

4/5

Jeffer
September 29th, 2007, 07:18 PM
awesome ep as soon as he said a place with zpm's to spare i was getting excited i can't wait for ep 2