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GateWorld
September 26th, 2007, 06:16 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 201</FONT>
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Four months after the confrontation with Sylar, the Bennet family tries to start anew in a new city, while the Petrellis recover from a devastating loss. Hiro meets his boyhood hero in feudal Japan, and a brother and sister try to make it north to America.

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the fifth man
September 26th, 2007, 08:23 PM
IMO, definitely a great start to what I think will be one hell of a season. I just can't wait to see what happens next.:)

MB.Eddie
September 27th, 2007, 12:28 AM
Was a pretty good ep to start the season. Nice to see all the regulars still around. Would have liked to see a couple more new heroes though...

Really liked the surprise with Takezo Kensei. I rekon that could turn out to be a good arc over the season. Really like David Anders as an actor too :cool:

Easter Lily
September 27th, 2007, 12:37 AM
Yay! Heroes is back! And how!

Takezo Sensei... a gaijin... (LOL) was a lovely touch. I did get an inkling when I heard his rather heavy accented Japanese but it was a great notion. An English man to boot. I wonder if someone's been watching Samurai Champloo. ;)

Conspirators, conspiracies and counter-conspiracies... S2 does look to be chock full of intrigue.
Nathan looks like a sad shell of his former self. When he looked briefly into the mirror, there was an image of a man with a burnt face. Was that him in a flash back... or was that what he thought Peter had become?
So Mama Petrelli is Angela...

For a moment I wondered why Mohinder was going public but apparently there's method to his madness. I liked the way they started S2 in a similar fashion to S1... with Mohinder giving a lecture. Very effective... I thought.
The Stephen Tobolowsky character is an interesting addition... having the midas touch apparently.

Ep 1 was pretty good... can't wait for the rest of the season.

knowsfords
September 27th, 2007, 12:41 AM
This is so perfect, its proof of my theory that Hiro was/is Takezo Kensei all along.

Easter Lily
September 27th, 2007, 02:59 AM
Oh yeah... Peter does look good for someone who's exploded. ;)

isabelqc
September 27th, 2007, 03:51 AM
Very drool worthy!

ToasterOnFire
September 27th, 2007, 05:48 AM
A great start! Loved seeing almost all the regulars again, loved seeing Mohinder and Matt taking care of Molly, loved seeing HRG putting the smack down on the paper manager. I'm intrigued by the new mysteries surrounding the parents, the symbol, the eyes, Peter, and the two smuggling their way into the US. And it was the return of Mr. Muggles! Hooray! :D

Could do without that fellow student constantly bugging and stalking Claire though. The stalker-turned-bf storyline has always eeked me out. :S

justhere1971
September 27th, 2007, 08:03 AM
A great start! Loved seeing almost all the regulars again, loved seeing Mohinder and Matt taking care of Molly, loved seeing HRG putting the smack down on the paper manager. I'm intrigued by the new mysteries surrounding the parents, the symbol, the eyes, Peter, and the two smuggling their way into the US. And it was the return of Mr. Muggles! Hooray! :D

Could do without that fellow student constantly bugging and stalking Claire though. The stalker-turned-bf storyline has always eeked me out.
:S


I agree.. this bothered me, even though he started out very cute.
The two runners there looks very intriguing - who are they looking for in the US?
How did Peter end up in that storage? Oh and the guy who "discovered" him, is he the lead in JourneyMan?

Trek_Girl42
September 27th, 2007, 12:21 PM
Oh yeah... Peter does look good for someone who's exploded. ;)
He does look very good for someone who's exploded. :P


Was that Dominic Keating, the Irish guy with the hat pulled low?

IcyNeko
September 27th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Well, Peter has Claire's powers, so he's able to regenerate. Future Peter, on the other hand, didn't, so he had scars. :|

stargate barbie
September 27th, 2007, 05:24 PM
He does look very good for someone who's exploded. :P


Was that Dominic Keating, the Irish guy with the hat pulled low?
i believe it was dominick keating, and can i just say;

awful awful awful awful awful irish accent on him. just... just bad. are we gonna have to listen to that all season? lets just hope they hired a coach after the first ep.

aside from that a pretty good episode. lots to look forward to.

just not that accent. worse than richard gere in the jackal. not as bad as the guy from charlies angels 2.

Thunderstorm
September 27th, 2007, 05:41 PM
And it was the return of Mr. Muggles! Hooray! :D

Could do without that fellow student constantly bugging and stalking Claire though. The stalker-turned-bf storyline has always eeked me out. :S

Well, I could have lived without Mr. Muggles, but it did add to the strangeness of that dinner.

ShadowMaat
September 27th, 2007, 07:38 PM
You wanna hear an awful accent, check out Matt Frewer murdering the Aussie accent. It's so bad that even I as an American can tell it's awful and for the longest time I thought he had to be doing it deliberately, but now I have this horrible suspicion that it really is meant to be real.

The Irish accents sounded weird to me, but I figured it was just my untrained Yankee ear. Good to note that it isn't just me. ;)

Mattathias2.0
September 27th, 2007, 10:03 PM
This is so perfect, its proof of my theory that Hiro was/is Takezo Kensei all along.

Isn't that a bit B5-ish?

MarshAngel
September 28th, 2007, 08:47 AM
The Irish accents sounded weird to me, but I figured it was just my untrained Yankee ear. Good to note that it isn't just me. ;)

Well one of the voices actually sounded English and the other two were maybe supposed to be from different parts of Ireland? I only thought one was truly awful and I can't put a face to the voice.... it was the one that sounded like a Leprechaun.

ShadowMaat
September 28th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Well one of the voices actually sounded English and the other two were maybe supposed to be from different parts of Ireland?
Yeah, that's what I wondered.

stargate barbie
September 28th, 2007, 02:58 PM
Well one of the voices actually sounded English and the other two were maybe supposed to be from different parts of Ireland? I only thought one was truly awful and I can't put a face to the voice.... it was the one that sounded like a Leprechaun.
well i assumed the other one was supposed to be english. sounded a bit dick van dyke to me, so not a great english accent either.

but yeah, the leprachaun was keating. the first guy had sort of a dublin accent, but maybe a little inconsistant. keatings was just... painful to listen to.

jenks
September 29th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Decent ep, although the writing for Kensei was dire.

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 08:29 PM
This is so perfect, its proof of my theory that Hiro was/is Takezo Kensei all along.

How is it proof that Hiro is Kensei...?

Changes to the timeline only occur after Hiro has done so, so he isn't Kensei. Besides, Hiro interefered with the timeline by stopping the arrows. If he hadn't, Kensei would have killed the people and saved the day (as the stories told).

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 08:31 PM
Well, Peter has Claire's powers, so he's able to regenerate. Future Peter, on the other hand, didn't, so he had scars. :|

Future Peter did have had Claire's power.

knowsfords
September 29th, 2007, 09:30 PM
How is it proof that Hiro is Kensei...?

Changes to the timeline only occur after Hiro has done so, so he isn't Kensei. Besides, Hiro interefered with the timeline by stopping the arrows. If he hadn't, Kensei would have killed the people and saved the day (as the stories told).

It alone is not proof, it and the proof that a painting of takezo kensei is an asian man who has a chinlipbeard thing like future hiro.

http://heroeswiki.com/images/9/92/Takezo_Kensei.jpg
http://heroeswiki.com/images/0/0e/Samurai.jpg

TheUnknown
September 29th, 2007, 09:48 PM
It alone is not proof, it and the proof that a painting of takezo kensei is an asian man who has a chinlipbeard thing like future hiro.

http://heroeswiki.com/images/9/92/Takezo_Kensei.jpg
http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Samurai.jpg

Or perhaps Future Hiro grew a soul patch because Kensei had one in the pictures?

Anyways, that Kensei looks more like David Anders in the face than Masi Oka. I can't remember where, but in some interview where the writers were asked about Anders playing Kensei, they spoke about pictures of Kensei looking more like a white guy than a Japanese guy.

Besides, Kensei has the power of immortality and will probably show up in the current timeline, while Hiro's not going to stick around in the past, so even though Hiro may be the one who ends up defeating the dragon guy, Kensei is still Kensei.

And as I said before, the timeline only changes after Hiro does something, so he can't have already gone back and done stuff (unless the writers messed up).

isabelqc
September 30th, 2007, 05:21 AM
Future Peter did have had Claire's power.

I hate to disagree, but he didn't. At least I'm 90% positive he didn't. I might have to watch s1 and "Five Years Gone" again. Future Peter never met Claire, because if he had met her and absorbed her power he wouldn't have the scar he got from Hiro's sword. I think the reason he was alive after he blew up in the future was because the power did not kill him, it just exploded from him, much like a volcano - the volcano is still intact after the explosion. Like Ted, who doesn't die after he lets out his power, Peter didn't die either. But slashing him did stop him, like shooting Ted stopped him.

Now considering that Future Claire seemed to know Nathan, he might have met Claire and then gleaned the power after the explosion, but I don't think he had the power during the initial bomb.

Anyhoos, I still so want for Hiro to bring Kensei to the future with him. Probably won't happen, but still David Anders is too cool not be on the show for the long run :D

keshou
September 30th, 2007, 07:29 AM
I caught a few episodes of S1 and was determined to try and watch this show in S2.

I'm *so* lost. I really need to get the S1 DVD's and catch up. That was Peter at the end (with no memory), right??

I did really like Hiro and his interaction with the Kensei. That was my favorite part. I couldn't place the actor playing Kensei - that was David Anders?

And I liked the blond cheerleader stuff - although I did find myself rolling my eyes when her new "friend" was flying around outside her window. I'm afraid this show may stretch my limits of buying into the fantasy element. :S

Still, I'm going to try and keep watching - if only for Hiro.

TheUnknown
September 30th, 2007, 08:59 AM
I hate to disagree, but he didn't. At least I'm 90% positive he didn't. I might have to watch s1 and "Five Years Gone" again. Future Peter never met Claire, because if he had met her and absorbed her power he wouldn't have the scar he got from Hiro's sword. I think the reason he was alive after he blew up in the future was because the power did not kill him, it just exploded from him, much like a volcano - the volcano is still intact after the explosion. Like Ted, who doesn't die after he lets out his power, Peter didn't die either. But slashing him did stop him, like shooting Ted stopped him.

Now considering that Future Claire seemed to know Nathan, he might have met Claire and then gleaned the power after the explosion, but I don't think he had the power during the initial bomb.

Anyhoos, I still so want for Hiro to bring Kensei to the future with him. Probably won't happen, but still David Anders is too cool not be on the show for the long run :D

He did have Claire's power. "Five Years Gone" is what would have happened had Peter exploded. Everything leading up to the point of Hiro's time jump happened the same as it did in the series' main timeline. Peter saved Claire (which is why she's still alive). He has her power, which is how he survived exploding (as explained by Angela Patrelli). The scar is a mystery, though, but one of my friends told me that he read that it will be explained this season.

YodaMate
September 30th, 2007, 09:12 AM
Future Peter does have Claire's power. He doesn't use it on reflex like Claire does because it's one of his many powers, he has to choose to 'turn it on'. Peter may want to keep the scar, as a reminder. He may even be able to pick which parts of himself to heal.

The way i think time travel works in Heroes is presented in Future Hiro's work in Isaac's apartment ; there is no alternate universe and there's not one big timeline that gets replaced every time Hiro does something (which would create multiple versions of himself) but rather many different linking threads and big events. You can change the individual threads but overall big events remain the same (in Future Hiro's case, the world was the same as before, only when he returned Claire was still alive).

This helps explain that Ando seems to remember Hiro meeting Charli for the first time in October but the smaller threads that are affected do change (e.g. the photo from six months ago now has Hiro in it)

I'm not been very clear, so i'll try another approach. Time proceeds first normally (without any time travel) until it reaches the point where the traveller (Hiro) departs. If he goes forward, time goes on without Hiro, if he goes back, he appears in the past and time essentially happens again.

The first time we saw Hiro time travel, it was forward. He just vanished in October, everyone thought he'd disappeared, then he appeared in November and saw the Bomb explode for the first time. He and Ando hadn't gone on their quest, Ando was still in Japan.

Hiro jumped back to October, with Isaac's comic in hand. The second time around happens mostly offscreen ; Hiro and Ando go on their quest, they steal Kensei's sword but they fail to stop the Bomb. Future Hiro never appeared and they probably didn't even meet Peter til later (perhaps not til after the Bomb, possibly not meeting Charli either). Claire is killed by Sylar. At some point, Hiro stabs Sylar but Sylar regenerates. Ando is killed in the Bomb, which was Peter but the world (including Hiro) is lead to believe it was Sylar. Five years pass and Hiro becomes the Future Hiro we love and adore.

In 2012, Future Hiro departs for the past, certain that a meeting with Peter will change everything.

Future Hiro arrives in 2007, now occurring for the third time, as depicted in Season 1. He delivers the message to Peter and departs for 2012, vanishing into thin air. Things proceed up to about Episode 18, when Hiro and Ando vanish from Linderman's art collection into thin air. Now offscreen, 2007 continues. Despite the best efforts of Peter, Claire and co. (but without Hiro), the Bomb goes off.

In 2012, Hiro, Ando and Future Hiro arrive to discover nothing significant has changed, the world sucks and Hiro is still a wanted man although Claire is alive. Hijinks that is Five Years Gone occur, Future Hiro dies and Hiro and Ando depart for 2007.

Hiro and Ando arrive before the election, and those days occur for the fourth time, this time playing out as seen in the season finale.

TheUnknown
September 30th, 2007, 09:25 AM
Good explanation, although Sylar was the bomb in the original timeline.

isabelqc
September 30th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Oh, that's a good explanation. I like it, it makes sense especially for this show. And thanks for correcting me on the power thing. I think it was mainly the scar that threw me off, but I hope it does get explained in this season.

YodaMate
October 1st, 2007, 02:22 AM
No worries, Isabelqc ! :)

TheUnknown : i've heard that Sylar was originally the Bomb, i've seen people refer to some scene where Hiro stabs Sylar and Sylar regenerates and proceeds to explode. However, that's not in the tv series and i've *cough* acquired the comics but i saw no sign of this supposed scene in them either (maybe i just read them too quick).

I can see how that would make sense : if Sylar was the Bomb and Future Hiro changed things to kill Sylar, but then Peter got a burst of Sylar's powers and became Bomb potential. But there are also problems with it (why would Sylar blow up ?).

The fact that Future Peter was the Bomb is his great secret (the Petrelli's secret as well), even Future Niki didn't know it was Peter. So unless Future Hiro was at Ground Zero then we can't assume that Future Hiro necessarily knows the truth.

TheUnknown
October 1st, 2007, 06:37 AM
No worries, Isabelqc ! :)

TheUnknown : i've heard that Sylar was originally the Bomb, i've seen people refer to some scene where Hiro stabs Sylar and Sylar regenerates and proceeds to explode. However, that's not in the tv series and i've *cough* acquired the comics but i saw no sign of this supposed scene in them either (maybe i just read them too quick).

I can see how that would make sense : if Sylar was the Bomb and Future Hiro changed things to kill Sylar, but then Peter got a burst of Sylar's powers and became Bomb potential. But there are also problems with it (why would Sylar blow up ?).

The fact that Future Peter was the Bomb is his great secret (the Petrelli's secret as well), even Future Niki didn't know it was Peter. So unless Future Hiro was at Ground Zero then we can't assume that Future Hiro necessarily knows the truth.

"Five Years Gone" is a timeline different than that of Future Hiro's original timeline. Future Hiro himself said that he tried to kill Sylar, but Sylar regenerated and exploded.
Besides, in the original timeline, Peter never got Claire's power, so he would have died if he had exploded (but he's still alive, as shown in the comic "Walls"), so he wasn't the original bomb.

nekoi
October 2nd, 2007, 01:03 AM
Awesome episode. :D

It really started things out well, although the Maya storyline started out way too vague for my tastes. :\

ShadowMaat
October 2nd, 2007, 06:56 AM
Having all the answers immediately would be dull as hell.

nekoi
October 2nd, 2007, 02:01 PM
There's a difference between having all the answers and having two people randomly show up for random intervals of time in the episode, discussing an event we have no clue about who, as far as we can see so far, aren't affecting the story.

knowsfords
October 3rd, 2007, 04:30 AM
Okay, so I was sort of right... looks like
Hiro will do all the things that takezo kensai gets credit for, as he is trying to preserve the timeline... but I still think that if hiro didn't go back in time then the legend of takezo kensai would not have happened anyway

Xicer
October 8th, 2007, 07:32 AM
Loved this ep! New Heroes fan here, I recently saw all of season one and caught this episode on NBC's website. Will watch episode two before tonights episode.


The two runners there looks very intriguing - who are they looking for in the US?

I would think they would be looking for Chandra Suresh, considering the fact that they were reading his book and referred to the person they were looking for as "doctor"

Matt G
April 26th, 2008, 02:42 PM
1. What the hell does West make of Claire. And why is Noah not practicing what he's preaching?

2. The Honduran siblings. Looks like another split personality but word from the US is it's more of a case of the siblings are a double act. She needs him or else she goes mental

3. Interesting stunts that Mohinder is pulling.

4. How the hell does Peter wind up in a crate in Cork?

5. Scratch Nakmura senior, looks like the company is going to rip itself apart!

SgaIsBad
September 5th, 2008, 09:30 AM
Really confused about future Peter after watching this...

garhkal
November 30th, 2015, 09:48 PM
Was a pretty good ep to start the season. Nice to see all the regulars still around. Would have liked to see a couple more new heroes though...

Really liked the surprise with Takezo Kensei. I rekon that could turn out to be a good arc over the season. Really like David Anders as an actor too :cool:

It would be nice to see more new faces with powers.

As to Takezo.. What a twist (a brit!!).. YAY.


A great start! Loved seeing almost all the regulars again, loved seeing Mohinder and Matt taking care of Molly, loved seeing HRG putting the smack down on the paper manager. I'm intrigued by the new mysteries surrounding the parents, the symbol, the eyes, Peter, and the two smuggling their way into the US. And it was the return of Mr. Muggles! Hooray! :D

I really wish someone would burn that scruffball up.. I think the dog's annoying.
But i loved Mohinder and Matt being dads to molly.

One thing though.. WHERE did HRG get all the doe for the relocation and new IDs?



And I liked the blond cheerleader stuff - although I did find myself rolling my eyes when her new "friend" was flying around outside her window. I'm afraid this show may stretch my limits of buying into the fantasy element. :S

The part that made me scratch my head with that (and later eps showing him flying around, is why is it no one else ever saw??


Okay, so I was sort of right... looks like
Hiro will do all the things that takezo kensai gets credit for, as he is trying to preserve the timeline... but I still think that if hiro didn't go back in time then the legend of takezo kensai would not have happened anyway

Which kind of makes me think he was always fated to GO back to that time and 'step in' for Takezo..

All in all a solid start for a 2nd season..
THOUGH why was it only 11 episodes when both S3 and 4 were 22 full eps???