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corey2002
September 23rd, 2007, 09:12 PM
spoilers!!! for 4x01 adrift
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in adrift, McKay shrunk the shield to just around the main tower to conserve power while floating in space. does anyone know why he couldnt have done this in 3x20 when they were being attacked by the laser? sure its risky that it might move, but the laser was only aiming at the main tower and it probably would have saved them alot of energy
any theories?

Nylon
September 23rd, 2007, 09:21 PM
It may have been because it would have taken too long to reconfigure the shield to shrink it, shutting it off completely is faster and simpler. Either that or the shield just around the tower was still sucking too much power.

corey2002
September 23rd, 2007, 09:43 PM
but it would have been better than the full thing and it didnt seem to take mckay too long to do-especialy compared to all the time they spent under the laser before going to hyperspace

An-Alteran
September 23rd, 2007, 09:46 PM
The Asurans were controlling it.
If they had done that... the Asurans would have shot the unshielded parts.

Aldo, we don't know what effect the energy beam would have on shields that are changing their configuration.

corey2002
September 23rd, 2007, 10:01 PM
as the shield shrunk, it could only get stronger-if they used the same amount of energy to power it over the smaller space that is

Integrabyte
September 23rd, 2007, 11:40 PM
as the shield shrunk, it could only get stronger-if they used the same amount of energy to power it over the smaller space that is

We know from The Rising that vital parts in Atlantis are shielded better, therefore, the tower with the main ZPM conduits has, probably, the best shielding.

Voila ...

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7272/vlcsnap3724015ng1.png
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5808/vlcsnap3724496bn9.png
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Prior_of_the_Ori
September 24th, 2007, 02:23 AM
Problem with using a limited shielding against the laser was that it was a controlled weapon as already mentioned and the Asurans would have redirected the beam to the unshielded parts thus destroying the city piece by piece. Plus, remember that the Expedition didnt know what they were about to face....

Wraith_Boy
September 24th, 2007, 06:31 AM
but it would have been better than the full thing and it didnt seem to take mckay too long to do-especialy compared to all the time they spent under the laser before going to hyperspace

Short answer - It's a plot point. They do what they need for the particular ep, even if it screws up something that they should have done previously but didn't.

If you asked JM this, then I beleive his answer would be that the ZPM didn't have enough power to raise it at all for that minute, even around the central tower itself.

IcyNeko
September 24th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Let me make this painfully clear for you.

Shrinking the shield is not only dangerous, but haphazard. They shrunk the shield out of necessity, and it's not something the shield was designed to do. If McKay had shrunk it earlier, and say.. the beam twirled around, they wouldn't have been able to expand it fast enough to not get damaged/destroyed. Also, escape would have been impossible since exist velocity/friction would have torn atlantis apart WITHOUT THE SHIELD fully aorund the city.

Vala_M
September 24th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Is it just me or are the CG models of Atlantis getting cheap? Those pics of the shield shrunk look like the city is just a plastic model, no lights, no colors or textures, the model at the end of "Adrift" was the same way, just made the city glow yellow instead of the individual lights inside the buildings like in "Progeny".

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/305/html/progeny436.html
That looks very realisitic and well done

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s3/320/html/firststrike1102.html
That looks totally fake by comparison

Vala,

Integrabyte
September 24th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Vala I must agree with you :) Sorry for the bad quality :)

Pics with Atlantis before S4:


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6893/vlcsnap4168444lu9.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1875/vlcsnap4168496ky0.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4071/vlcsnap4170194lc1.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1408/vlcsnap313540wy9.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3522/vlcsnap313194en1.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7668/vlcsnap4172239dc6.png

No comparison to S4 Atlantis. Dunno whats going on but its not good!

IWKYZerocool
September 24th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Vala I must agree with you :) Sorry for the bad quality :)

Pics with Atlantis before S4:


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6893/vlcsnap4168444lu9.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1875/vlcsnap4168496ky0.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4071/vlcsnap4170194lc1.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1408/vlcsnap313540wy9.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3522/vlcsnap313194en1.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7668/vlcsnap4172239dc6.png

No comparison to S4 Atlantis. Dunno whats going on but its not good!

the answer is simple, the version most people have seen so far has not got all the cgi detail yet, wait until Adrift comes out on Friday and i bet that Atlantis looks as good as the ones in ur message.

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2007, 02:04 PM
the answer is simple, the version most people have seen so far has not got all the cgi detail yet, wait until Adrift comes out on Friday and i bet that Atlantis looks as good as the ones in ur message.

Exactly I mean come on we now know the episodes that were leaked were unfinished that means the visual effects were also uncomplete. Scifi would never let visuals like that as the final product. It's obviously test visuals which is something done during production just to get a feel as to how the episode flows then finished in post. As to the shield I agree with what most have siad it was too dangerous and risky to do something it wasn't designed to in that situation. The Asurans would have simply rotated the device and destroyed parts of the city making it impossible for us to fly it out of there.

corey2002
September 24th, 2007, 03:11 PM
the answer is simple, the version most people have seen so far has not got all the cgi detail yet, wait until Adrift comes out on Friday and i bet that Atlantis looks as good as the ones in ur message.
that and all lights and power was off to the entire city except for the shielded area

another question i just thought of is: where r the shield generators-normaly the shield emanates from the edges of the city and works its way to the top of the tower, but for only the tower to be shielded, wouldnt the generators have to be at its base? wouldnt the generators have to be at the edges of where the shield starts? generators at he edges of the city can not "send" the shield to the tower, they would have to be connected to it. right?

Pegasus_SGA
September 24th, 2007, 03:36 PM
Vala I must agree with you :) Sorry for the bad quality :)

Pics with Atlantis before S4:


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6893/vlcsnap4168444lu9.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1875/vlcsnap4168496ky0.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4071/vlcsnap4170194lc1.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1408/vlcsnap313540wy9.png
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3522/vlcsnap313194en1.png
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7668/vlcsnap4172239dc6.png

No comparison to S4 Atlantis. Dunno whats going on but its not good!

Don't forget my cynical friend :P that, that may not be the finished quality. The ep released was unfinished, so may not be the finished product. I'm assuming it is, but you know what i'm like with assumptions. :P But I agree, not one of their best shots. But as per usual i'll reserve judgement until the end result and see what it's like. I loved the shots from Progeny, but Adrift shots of the city, did look a bit off.

Mitchell82
September 24th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Don't forget my cynical friend :P that, that may not be the finished quality. The ep released was unfinished, so may not be the finished product. I'm assuming it is, but you know what i'm like with assumptions. :P But I agree, not one of their best shots. But as per usual i'll reserve judgement until the end result and see what it's like. I loved the shots from Progeny, but Adrift shots of the city, did look a bit off.
I seriously doubt those images are the final images. They look more like matte patings. The quality of visuals have never been bad on Atlantis and with more money there is no reason they would be now. I really doubt those are final images.

Lorr
September 24th, 2007, 08:27 PM
that and all lights and power was off to the entire city except for the shielded area

another question i just thought of is: where r the shield generators-normaly the shield emanates from the edges of the city and works its way to the top of the tower, but for only the tower to be shielded, wouldnt the generators have to be at its base? wouldnt the generators have to be at the edges of where the shield starts? generators at he edges of the city can not "send" the shield to the tower, they would have to be connected to it. right?
Exactly. The shield emitters were all over the city - see the Return II - not just in the central tower. Reducing the shield to protect just the tower would have exposed the whole city to destruction. If any of the 10 emitters was hit, the shield would have lost strength and intergrity. Also, having mere seconds to set it up would have made it impossible.

The quality will be there on Friday. JM and Co. know that a S5 hinges on the viewership for the first few eps. Does anyone think they'd risk that with poor quality CGI?

talyn2k1
September 25th, 2007, 04:01 AM
spoilers!!! for 4x01 adrift
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in adrift, McKay shrunk the shield to just around the main tower to conserve power while floating in space. does anyone know why he couldnt have done this in 3x20 when they were being attacked by the laser? sure its risky that it might move, but the laser was only aiming at the main tower and it probably would have saved them alot of energy
any theories?

Because the writers didn't think of it until part 2...


And MAGNETS! :D

ablevins425
September 25th, 2007, 04:17 AM
spoilers!!! for 4x01 adrift
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in adrift, McKay shrunk the shield to just around the main tower to conserve power while floating in space. does anyone know why he couldnt have done this in 3x20 when they were being attacked by the laser? sure its risky that it might move, but the laser was only aiming at the main tower and it probably would have saved them alot of energy
any theories?


Sorry but I thought that this was a last second effort from the city itself not Mckay's doing. Someone correct me if I am wrong though.

Cycrow
September 25th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Sorry but I thought that this was a last second effort from the city itself not Mckay's doing. Someone correct me if I am wrong though.

no, the city started the process by shrinking the shield, but it was Mckay that forced it just around the tower.

most likly he go the idea from the city itself which he didn't know previously

wise one
September 25th, 2007, 07:28 AM
it probaly would of put alot of strain on the shield and would collapsesince the beam was already fixed onto the city already and shrinking the shield enough so that the beam doesnt hit the city would of complicated things more.

Ravroz
September 25th, 2007, 03:33 PM
I agree. The reason he likely didn't think of it in the first place was that it would be far too dangerous to shut it down while it was under such an incredible strain. when they were drifting in space the city started doing the shrinking for him so it made it easier for him to reconfigure the shield to do that.

Vala_M
September 25th, 2007, 04:18 PM
I didn't think that those might be unfinished shots but after Atlantis at the end of "First Strike" just lit up yellow instead of how it normally looks, I feared that they were going cheap. My personal feeling is that they have gotten cheaper but we'll have to wait and see how it actually looks.

And is that rock music during the Asteriod and Jumpers part just test music or what? I really hope that's not going to stay in the episode.

Vala,

IcyNeko
September 26th, 2007, 07:08 AM
.... everything in that was rather unfinished. Although the CG looked pretty close to complete, and it seems like the CG may very well cheaped up. But in the version that most people have, they replaced sound effects with poor sounding verbal cues.

Integrabyte
September 26th, 2007, 07:17 AM
.... everything in that was rather unfinished. Although the CG looked pretty close to complete, and it seems like the CG may very well cheaped up. But in the version that most people have, they replaced sound effects with poor sounding verbal cues.

I had them a couple hours after they leaked out. As I previously mentioned I thought it was a joke. About this whole thing not being finished...I hope you are right. Bear in mind they have to work on other episodes at the same time...

Mister Oragahn
September 26th, 2007, 08:41 AM
as the shield shrunk, it could only get stronger-if they used the same amount of energy to power it over the smaller space that is

It would not get stronger if you're trying to save energy. They had no other solution.

Safe hyperspace away without waiting to be in orbit of the planet... but that would have been too easy, wouldn't it?

Integrabyte
September 29th, 2007, 05:57 AM
This looks much better ;). It seems they spent so time with this episode :)


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corey2002
September 30th, 2007, 09:24 PM
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9682/vlcsnap650442ti6.png
why leave the lights on tho? with the push of a button they can turn off every light in atlantis(siege2). isnt leaving them on just a waste of power??

Vala_M
September 30th, 2007, 09:36 PM
I'm glad to see that the effects were much better in the actual version than the "leaked" version.

Vala,

IWKYZerocool
October 3rd, 2007, 12:42 AM
why leave the lights on tho? with the push of a button they can turn off every light in atlantis(siege2). isnt leaving them on just a waste of power??

The reason the lights are still on outside the shield is Mckay could not turn off power from the tower as there was to much damage. he would have had to gone to the area and turned it off manually.

Integrabyte
October 3rd, 2007, 01:59 AM
Good question. The blast grazed the tower and the conduits. Asteroids did not hit the light switch :D. If the city is so smart, why keep the lights on? I mean the city was always a step ahead everyone every time. Why have the lights on in decompressed areas with no shield? Damn TPTB made the whole city dumb this time....

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4281/vlcsnap14069zj5.png
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3249/vlcsnap14312qj3.png

Defiant
October 3rd, 2007, 06:31 AM
The Asurans were controlling it.
If they had done that... the Asurans would have shot the unshielded parts.


Thought they said it had used up all it's power getting their which is why it's first shot was against the apollo before moving into position (@ Atlantis)

garhkal
October 3rd, 2007, 01:11 PM
Good question. The blast grazed the tower and the conduits. Asteroids did not hit the light switch :D. If the city is so smart, why keep the lights on? I mean the city was always a step ahead everyone every time. Why have the lights on in decompressed areas with no shield? Damn TPTB made the whole city dumb this time....


That does make me wonder... Though perhaps the city had too much damge in the central spire area to do it's normal shutting down..

Mitchell82
October 3rd, 2007, 01:12 PM
I'm glad to see that the effects were much better in the actual version than the "leaked" version.

Vala,

Me too. I saw the screen shots these are much better.