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Ripple in Space
July 28th, 2007, 11:34 AM
The instant that a ZPM is activated, it would do one of two things:
A. Destroy the Universe.
B. Disprove the Laws of Thermodynamics and every field of science on Earth.

Although, I believe the Tollan said that Quantum Mechanics is wrong....

./freelancer
July 28th, 2007, 11:48 AM
The instant that a ZPM is activated, it would do one of two things:
A. Destroy the Universe.
B. Disprove the Laws of Thermodynamics and every field of science on Earth.

Although, I believe the Tollan said that Quantum Mechanics is wrong....
Would you care to elaborate?

Ripple in Space
July 28th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Would you care to elaborate?

Well, the basic principle of most every field of science is that the energy in our Universe remains constant. That the amount of energy present in the Universe is the same now as it was in the beginning.

A ZPM harvests energy from a pocket Universe. Based on our laws of science, the introduction of ANY amount of energy (or loss for that matter) from outside of our Universe would throw off the balance, and lead to great damage or complete destruction of everything. We're talking 1kJ, 1 kcal, etc. it would ruin the balance of nature.

A better concept the writers could've come up with would be to say that the ZPM somehow converts our Universe's entropic energy back into a usable form.

Project Acturus (if it worked) would be the realization of Einstein's hypothesis about Zero Point Energy. It would use our Universe's Zero Point Energy, therefore harvesting the free energy within it, and not from an artificial pocket Universe.

Battera
July 28th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Two words for you:

Sci, and Fi. Put them together, you get 'Sci-Fi'!

They do call it "Science Fiction" for a reason. If you over-analyze everything then it will ruin the viewing experience.

./freelancer
July 28th, 2007, 12:47 PM
Maybe the pocket universe could be considered a sub-universe of our own? Besides, the conservation of energy principle doesn't take into consideration multiple universes, does it? So maybe it should rather be interpreted as "the amount of energy must remain constant throughout every universe", instead of "in our universe".

Atlanis
July 28th, 2007, 12:52 PM
And only birds can fly oh yea an airoplaine can too!

Jarnin
July 28th, 2007, 02:04 PM
Well, the basic principle of most every field of science is that the energy in our Universe remains constant. That the amount of energy present in the Universe is the same now as it was in the beginning.
Correct.


A ZPM harvests energy from a pocket Universe.
Correct.


Based on our laws of science, the introduction of ANY amount of energy (or loss for that matter) from outside of our Universe would throw off the balance, and lead to great damage or complete destruction of everything. We're talking 1kJ, 1 kcal, etc. it would ruin the balance of nature.
Not quite. In Stargate subspace is part of our universe, so any energy derived from the subspace region contained in a ZPM would be from our universe.


A better concept the writers could've come up with would be to say that the ZPM somehow converts our Universe's entropic energy back into a usable form.
That's not possible according to the second law of thermodynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics).


Project Acturus (if it worked) would be the realization of Einstein's hypothesis about Zero Point Energy. It would use our Universe's Zero Point Energy, therefore harvesting the free energy within it, and not from an artificial pocket Universe.
It just goes to show you, if they ancients can't get it to work, then it can't work.

2ndgenerationalteran
July 28th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Why can we use ZPMs in hyperspace? We are traveling through subspace, which is where they derive all their energy from?

Jarnin
July 28th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Why can we use ZPMs in hyperspace? We are traveling through subspace, which is where they derive all their energy from?
ZPMs have a self-contained region of subspace inside them, which is where they derive all their energy.

It's like bringing a bottle of water with you in a submarine.

K-9
July 28th, 2007, 05:48 PM
To elaborate on the above poster, an artificial region of subspace-time. And if it's created from things in the universe, it can't be adding any additional energy to the universe.