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Xicer
July 21st, 2007, 04:11 PM
Title courtesy of PG15. :D I know this isn't officially a script yet as they are still throwing out ideas but I think it needs it's own thread.

Looks like a new story dealing with Sheppard and Earth seems to be in the works:


We spent the better part of the morning spinning Joe F.’s notion into the actual beginnings of a story. Due to a schedule sleight-of-hand, Marty G. will be taking a break from that troubled trio script to tackle this one. We discussed the basic premise, the type of story to tell, and also started hashing out some of the Sheppard backstory. What brings Sheppard back to Earth? Who goes with him? Which individuals from his past will put in an appearance? What’s at issue? How will the action progress? Although we didn’t get around to actually breaking the story, we’re all pretty happy with the direction we’ve taken.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/07/july-21-2007.html

Another Sheppard-centric episode isn't a bad idea, and more backstory is always good. So it looks like he goes back to Earth and others might go with him. Sounding good so far.

UPDATE thanks to PG15


Anonymous #1 writes: “ I'm very excited about the Joe Flanigan pitched script. So when he comes to you with one, is it just a vague idea that all the writers hash out or does he have a more developed plot ?”

Answer: In this case, it was a very vague idea that we are hashing out.

Anonymous #3 writes: “On the Shep back story and going to earth, very cool. Its got to be pretty drastic, we're talking about a guy who didn't feel the need to send a message home to anyone with everyone else, nor has shown to have any links back on Earth that he wishes to keep.”

Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/07/july-22-2007.html

UPDATE 2 again from PG15 :D and thanks to prion as well for transcribing it for everyone!


Question: I know that Joe Flanigan wanted to do more Sheppard backstory, but will fans really see it?

Joe Mallozzi: In fact, actually, that’s what we were talking about on Friday. We’re spinning Sheppard’s backstory, specifically the fact that in “Letters from Pegasus,” he didn’t really seem to have anyone out there and the question is sort of ‘why?’ and it’s something we discussed on Friday and we’ve got something really cool planned which I’m not at liberty to reveal right now, but Joe [Flanigan] came up with a great springboard for a story. We’re going back to Earth-

Joe Flanigan: Was that the one that’s not scrapped? I just wanted..

Joe Mallozzi: You’ll love it, trust me, you’ll love it.

http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/85558.html

UPDATE 3


Finally, we will get around to breaking that Sheppard on Earth story next week along with what we hope will be the season finale.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-2-2007.html

UPDATE 4 thanks to PG15 yet again ;):


PG-15 writes: ...2. You mentioned breaking the Shep-on-Earth story next week, but I thought you guys have already spun it out, or at least broken it already? 3. So, Martin Gero is doing "Harmony"? Wow, so he's writing his "Three's Company" episode, the JF-pitched story, AND Harmony? He's going to be busy.”

Answers: ...2. We started spinning the story but took a break to work on Harmony, then will switch gears again to work on the Sheppard on Earth story next week. 3. Martin was writing the Sheppard on Earth story but, having finished Trio (formerly Three’s Company), he will start on Harmony while Alan McCullough assumes writing duties on the JF-inspired eppy.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-3-2007.html

UPDATE 5 Looks like they finally broke the story:


Back in the office today and we broke the JF story today. More on it, some snaps from Kindred II, and the mailbag tomorrow.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-7-2007.html

UPDATE 6 thanks to watcher652 and PG15


Still looking for a title for the Sheppard on Earth story we finished breaking yesterday. To those of you who are using the bio on the Sci Fi website as a guide, stand advised - the reference to his father being a Cold War Colonel is not canon. I’m not even sure where it came from. So, expect some insight into Shep’s past relationships late in season four.


Anonymous #1 writes: “It does make me wonder if he had not approached you with this plot, would we have gotten any Sheppard back story at all this season?”

Answer: Delving into Sheppard’s backstory was one of the things on our To-Do list at the beginning of the season, and Joe’s idea gives us the perfect scenario in which to do it.

Grey writes: “On the SciFi website, for Sheppard's character it describes him as "the son of a respected Cold War colonel". In the upcoming Sheppard-on-Earth storyline, might we learn anything about said father (ie: dead, alive, disowned) or is that something initially thought of that doesn't fit the character anymore?”

Answer: That didn’t come from us.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-8-2007.html

UPDATE 7 from JM's blog thanks to, you guessed it, PG15


Anonymous #1 writes: “Will Shep's ex wife be mentioned in the backstory?”

Answer: She will be making an appearance.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-9-2007.html

UPDATE 8 thanks to Redhooks!


PG15 also writes: “…mind telling us the episode order for the second half of Season 4?”

Answer: Be All My Sins Remember’d, Spoils of War, Quarantine, Outcast, Trio, Midway, Harmony, Kindred I, Kindred II, Finale.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-13-2007.html

UPDATE 9 Just some confirmation on the episode title:


Yet Another Flanigan Fan writes: “Is "Outcast" the Sheppard backstory episode proposed by Joe Flanigan and written by Alan McCullough?”

Answer: Yep.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-14-2007.html

UPDATE 10 Hm...I wonder who...



Marty G. pitched out a special guest star for Outcast, a character we haven’t seen since his debilitating injury in season. Won’t the fans be surprised. Well, probably not as I’m sure you’ve figured it out.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-15-2007.html

UPDATE 11



O1 writes: “Can you give us a hint about outcast and whether it is going to be an action episode, a character driven episode or an angsty episode?”

Answer: Hopefully, all of the above.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-16-2007.html

UPDATE 12


On the work front: shooting continues on the big team-up eppy, finished the polish on Harmony, almost finished my producer's cut of Kindred I as I await the completion of the Previously On sequence, an exhausted Martin completed his latest (and last) rewrite of Trio, read the first draft of Outcast, and watched the episode with the engagement scene (I have a feeling the fans will love it).

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-23-2007.html

UPDATE 13 Looks like we may learn more about Sheppard's parents in this episode:


Linzi writes: “Will we learn about Sheppard's parents? That is to say, will we find out if they're dead or alive?”

Answer: We will.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-27-2007.html

UPDATE 14 Finally a new update


PG15 writes: “Which episodes have yet to be filmed? Are all of the episodes being written/finished being written?”

Answer: Outcast is being re-written as we speak and there’s a first draft out of the season finale, The Last Man. We are partway through filming Harmony and will be moving on to Trio next. Outcast will follow Trio and then we’ll be finishing up with season finale.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-2-2007.html

UPDATE 15 A little more from JM's today:


Jedi writes: “Will we find out if Sheppard has any siblings in S4?”

Answer: We will in Outcast.


Redtwin writes: “Why is "Outcast" being rewritten?”

Answer: No script is perfect in its first draft so, yes, all scripts are rewritten to various degrees

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-3-2007.html

UPDATE 16


Paul is now doing is pass on Outcast.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-4-2007.html

UPDATE 17 Here's one for the whumpers! Courtesy of PG15 ;)


PG15 writes: “1) Can we expect some major Emotional Shep Whump (ESW) in Outcast? 2) In fact, would you say that season four has more Shep whumping than the other seasons?..."

Answers: 1) There will be definitely be some emotional shep whump in Outcast. 2) Yes.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-5-2007.html

UPDATE 18 Just a little one


And while they were shooting, I was in the office reading Paul’s pass on Outcast (offering up a more vulnerable side of Sheppard),

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-6-2007.html

UPDATE 19 Again, nothing huge


Susan the Turtle writes: “Does this mean your big trip to the great outdoors is at an end?”

Answer: Yup. Trio will take place on our standing set while Outcast will take me out and about again, but to heavily forested surroundings.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-8-2007.html

UPDATE 20 Hehe just some clarification....


Ruffles writes: “ Since the shoot of Harmony seems to have been in heavily forested surroundings, did you mean to say that Outcast would NOT take you there?”

Answer: Oops. Yes, that’s what I meant.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-9-2007.html

UPDATE 21 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7093630&postcount=229) MASSIVE update from the Gateworld main page concerning the main plot points of the episode.
UPDATE 22 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7095337&postcount=256) Bates is back!!!! Thank you to TheWarrior for the heads up.
UPDATE 23 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7101348&postcount=265) Art Department stuff
UPDATE 24 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7104924&postcount=279) Thank you prion
UPDATE 25 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7126996&postcount=299) Park scene!
UPDATE 26 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7130364&postcount=309) HUUUUUGE Update, Ex-Wife scene and more!
UPDATE 27 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7137352&postcount=328) More Updates
UPDATE 28 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=7145563&postcount=345) More pics

PG15
July 21st, 2007, 04:14 PM
Hehe, I was just starting a thread on this when I thought to myself, "Xicer is probably a step ahead of me at this point" and viewed the forum again, just in case. Sure enough, there you are. :p

I was gonna call it "Untitled JF Pitch" though, just to change it up a little. ;)

Xicer
July 21st, 2007, 04:16 PM
That's probably a better title, should make it so it's not so similar to the other thread. I'll see if I can get the mods to change the thread name. ;)

Steve_the_Wraith
July 21st, 2007, 05:55 PM
Sounds good

However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)

Killdeer
July 21st, 2007, 08:11 PM
Definitely sounds interesting! :) Looking forward to more details. And yes, I hope it doesn't turn out like Epiphany did. :S

Sheppard's Delight
July 21st, 2007, 11:55 PM
Sounds good

However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)

Oh I really do hope that we end up with an epsiode that JF is happy with and they dont mess his idea around too much.

I am looking forward to this one very much - I cant wait to get hold of some more spoilers.

Pegasus_SGA
July 22nd, 2007, 01:51 AM
Oh I really do hope that we end up with an epsiode that JF is happy with and they dont mess his idea around too much.

I am looking forward to this one very much - I cant wait to get hold of some more spoilers.

*cough*

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/faith.jpg

:P

I'm really looking forward to this, and it sounds as if it's weaved into a story rather than it being the story. So i'm looking forward to some nice heartfelt emotional scenes ala Sateda. And even if we only get to learn a couple of things why his character is like he is, then i'd be content. :D

Mitchell82
July 22nd, 2007, 09:24 AM
Sounds good

However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)
I remember though I loved that ep. I hope this turns out well.

scifi_lemon
July 22nd, 2007, 02:11 PM
*cough*

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/faith.jpg

:P

I'm really looking forward to this, and it sounds as if it's weaved into a story rather than it being the story. So i'm looking forward to some nice heartfelt emotional scenes ala Sateda. And even if we only get to learn a couple of things why his character is like he is, then i'd be content. :D

ITA. But what do you think will bring him to Earth? I have a feeling McKay will be going with him, but that's just a hunch. Do you think he'll have charges brought against him for what happened in Return I?

Killdeer
July 22nd, 2007, 02:22 PM
ITA. But what do you think will bring him to Earth? I have a feeling McKay will be going with him, but that's just a hunch. Do you think he'll have charges brought against him for what happened in Return I?

After more than a year? Why would they do that? Wouldn't they have relieved him of duty immediately if that was the case? :confused:

But I hope you're right about Rodney being the one who goes back with him.

PG15
July 22nd, 2007, 05:56 PM
Some stuff about the ep from Joe today:


Anonymous #1 writes: “ I'm very excited about the Joe Flanigan pitched script. So when he comes to you with one, is it just a vague idea that all the writers hash out or does he have a more developed plot ?”

Answer: In this case, it was a very vague idea that we are hashing out.

Anonymous #3 writes: “On the Shep back story and going to earth, very cool. Its got to be pretty drastic, we're talking about a guy who didn't feel the need to send a message home to anyone with everyone else, nor has shown to have any links back on Earth that he wishes to keep.”

Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/07/july-22-2007.html

Xicer
July 22nd, 2007, 06:01 PM
Yeah just read them. Sounding more interesting even though it is still in its very early stages.

Killdeer
July 22nd, 2007, 06:55 PM
Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?

Very odd! And Yay!!!!! I'm getting more and more hopeful that we'll actually get some answers about Shep's past here. :)

scifi_lemon
July 23rd, 2007, 12:25 AM
Very odd! And Yay!!!!! I'm getting more and more hopeful that we'll actually get some answers about Shep's past here. :)

ITA. It's about time! ;) Can't wait!

Alipeeps
July 23rd, 2007, 02:26 AM
His little comment about "Odd, no?" really fills me with hope - it suggests that a) they are aware that this is an issue - one that needs answering, not glossing over - and b) they intend to reference it/deal with it in this ep!

Woot! :D :D :D

pilgrim soul
July 23rd, 2007, 02:37 AM
His little comment about "Odd, no?" really fills me with hope - it suggests that a) they are aware that this is an issue - one that needs answering, not glossing over - and b) they intend to reference it/deal with it in this ep!

Woot! :D :D :D

Well over in the whump thread Kristen, whose post he was replying to, said that it wasn't actually a direct question to him and that he had cropped her comments from a much larger post. So the fact that he chose to comment on her remarks is very positive imo, why would he single that part of her post out if those issues weren't going to be addressed?

I'm now even more excited by this episode. :)

prion
July 23rd, 2007, 04:58 AM
It sounds intriguing *if* they pull it off right. I'd love to see backstory on Sheppard, but we keep getting promises that simply tank, so I'll wait and see. ;)

Elinor
July 23rd, 2007, 07:05 AM
Well over in the whump thread Kristen, whose post he was replying to, said that it wasn't actually a direct question to him and that he had cropped her comments from a much larger post. So the fact that he chose to comment on her remarks is very positive imo, why would he single that part of her post out if those issues weren't going to be addressed?

I'm now even more excited by this episode. :)

Me too!!

:)

Linzi
July 23rd, 2007, 07:36 AM
Oh I really do hope that we end up with an epsiode that JF is happy with and they dont mess his idea around too much.

I am looking forward to this one very much - I cant wait to get hold of some more spoilers.
Me too! It sounds fantastic to me. Most promising, and about damn time too! ;)

*cough*

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q119/Scully_album/faith.jpg

:P

I'm really looking forward to this, and it sounds as if it's weaved into a story rather than it being the story. So i'm looking forward to some nice heartfelt emotional scenes ala Sateda. And even if we only get to learn a couple of things why his character is like he is, then i'd be content. :D

Indeed! :)

Mitchell82
July 23rd, 2007, 04:39 PM
ITA. It's about time! ;) Can't wait!

Agreed it sounds great.

scifi_lemon
July 23rd, 2007, 04:45 PM
It sounds intriguing *if* they pull it off right. I'd love to see backstory on Sheppard, but we keep getting promises that simply tank, so I'll wait and see. ;)

Agreed. I think the motto for this forum should be "Cautiously Optimistic". Still be hopeful, but not getting your hopes up. :)

EdenSG
July 23rd, 2007, 04:59 PM
I really hope this story becomes a reality and they reveal and do a good back story for Sheppard - heck at this point I would even be happy (not satisfied but happy) with even a little backstory.

I know one could make a case for many of the characters not getting enough development, but pretty much all the cast except Sheppard has had some degree of personal backstory introduced into an episode.

Weir in Intruder & The Real World
Teyla in Rising and Critical Mass
Rodney in McKay & Mrs. Miller
and even a little bit with Ronan in Sateda & Trinity.

Sheppard backstory is long overdo.

Killdeer
July 23rd, 2007, 06:16 PM
I do understand the cautious optimism, but this is one episode I'm unreservedly excited about. :) Only a couple of things could tank my interest in this episode, and I'm not going to mention them for fear I'll jinx it. :D Yay for Shep backstory! :D :D :D

Mitchell82
July 24th, 2007, 11:59 AM
Agreed. I think the motto for this forum should be "Cautiously Optimistic". Still be hopeful, but not getting your hopes up. :)

Indeed but my hopes are high simply because I have faith in TPTB.

pisces27
July 24th, 2007, 12:05 PM
*does cautious optimistic happy dance* :sheppard:

starfox
July 26th, 2007, 03:25 PM
So, reasons for him returning to Earth? My money's on death in the family. Just because he didn't feel the need to visit them or send them a message doesn't mean they don't exist.

pilgrim soul
July 27th, 2007, 01:22 AM
The thing is that the backstory has to be woven into a Stargate story if that makes sense. There has to be a twist, it can't be just Sheppard going back to Earth to face his past, there has to be something at stake, some jeopardy, a sci-fi twist on the whole thing and I'm really curious how they are going to fit the backstory into Atlantis.

It was easier on SG1 to a certain extent because they were based on Earth and a certain amount of the action was taking place there but Atlantis is a galaxy away and it's far more difficult for what's happening there to have a direct effect on Earth beyond the SGC.

I wonder if the reason for him going back has more to do with Sheppard himself than anybody back on Earth.

starfox
July 27th, 2007, 12:18 PM
Well, it's entirely possible that we get a problem on the Atlantis end as another part of the plot. Sheppard goes home to deal with something that's only supposed to take a couple of days, Atlantis faces a situation or the Gate diagnostic shows a problem, and he's stuck on Earth because transport to Atlantis just became impossible.

or

I don't think it's been mentioned on the show, but it's commonly assumed that Sheppard's father is a military bigwig and that's why Shep was sent to Antartica instead of discharged. If this turns out to be true, could Shep Sr. be getting clearance to learn about the Stargate program? It would be dealing with SGC politics, possibly Atlantis politics if he's important enough to have a say in how the expedition is run. And yeah, so we did the Daddy issues with Carter, but we can do it again with Sheppard. Dysfunctional/non-existent families are practically a pre-req for SG teams.

expendable_crewman
July 28th, 2007, 09:19 AM
The thing is that the backstory has to be woven into a Stargate story if that makes sense. There has to be a twist, it can't be just Sheppard going back to Earth to face his past, there has to be something at stake, some jeopardy, a sci-fi twist on the whole thing and I'm really curious how they are going to fit the backstory into Atlantis.

It was easier on SG1 to a certain extent because they were based on Earth and a certain amount of the action was taking place there but Atlantis is a galaxy away and it's far more difficult for what's happening there to have a direct effect on Earth beyond the SGC.

I wonder if the reason for him going back has more to do with Sheppard himself than anybody back on Earth.Good point. I wonder, too, how he could have any family back home if the only message he wanted to tape in LFP was to Sumner's. I saw the reason (big time) for the Sumner message, but considering the fact that impending death / disaster / doom is a wonderful antidote in terms of lingering family issues, him not saying "boo" (or bye) to flesh and blood would ring funny, especially if we (the audience) get hit with it this far into the series.

I saw JM's response on his blog to a question about LFP, so I'm really curious now.

After LFP, I assumed the only relatives he'd have on Earth would be folks who wouldn't keel over if somehow they were able to find out he could have passed on his last thoughts but refused. In my mind, that goes beyond holding a grudge, but okay. ... Yeah, I know the family wouldn't find out ... unless, as Starfox mentions, Sheppard has a living relative who is a military bigwig with some sort of interest in shielding his career ...

No ideas. Hmm, speculation.

scifi_lemon
July 28th, 2007, 10:26 PM
Good point. I wonder, too, how he could have any family back home if the only message he wanted to tape in LFP was to Sumner's. I saw the reason (big time) for the Sumner message, but considering the fact that impending death / disaster / doom is a wonderful antidote in terms of lingering family issues, him not saying "boo" (or bye) to flesh and blood would ring funny, especially if we (the audience) get hit with it this far into the series.

I saw JM's response on his blog to a question about LFP, so I'm really curious now.

After LFP, I assumed the only relatives he'd have on Earth would be folks who wouldn't keel over if somehow they were able to find out he could have passed on his last thoughts but refused. In my mind, that goes beyond holding a grudge, but okay. ... Yeah, I know the family wouldn't find out ... unless, as Starfox mentions, Sheppard has a living relative who is a military bigwig with some sort of interest in shielding his career ...

No ideas. Hmm, speculation.

LFP was one of the reasons I thought all of John's family was dead. Even if his father disowned him or something, you'd think that he'd at least want to say, "So long" but I guess they could still be alive. Who knows?

PG15
July 29th, 2007, 12:01 AM
This is from the Comic Con SGA panel:


Question: I know that Joe Flanigan wanted to do more Sheppard backstory, but will fans really see it?

Joe Mallozzi: In fact, actually, that’s what we were talking about on Friday. We’re spinning Sheppard’s backstory, specifically the fact that in “Letters from Pegasus,” he didn’t really seem to have anyone out there and the question is sort of ‘why?’ and it’s something we discussed on Friday and we’ve got something really cool planned which I’m not at liberty to reveal right now, but Joe [Flanigan] came up with a great springboard for a story. We’re going back to Earth-

Joe Flanigan: Was that the one that’s not scrapped? I just wanted..

Joe Mallozzi: You’ll love it, trust me, you’ll love it.



http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/85558.html

Special thanks to prion for transcribing it for those of us outside the USA. Remember to green her lots! :D

Alipeeps
July 29th, 2007, 05:15 AM
*runs around squeeeing madly*

What I love about the comment above is that it not only confirms that the ep will include the backstory and exactly what parts of his backstory (i.e. his family - or lack of?) but it very much sounds like thie ep centers around the backstory - that that is the focus or impetus of the story - which means that, hopefully, we won't end up with another Epiphany where the backstory elements got cut.

scifi_lemon
July 29th, 2007, 09:27 AM
This is from the Comic Con SGA panel:

http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/85558.html

Special thanks to prion for transcribing it for those of us outside the USA. Remember to green her lots! :D


*runs around squeeeing madly*

What I love about the comment above is that it not only confirms that the ep will include the backstory and exactly what parts of his backstory (i.e. his family - or lack of?) but it very much sounds like thie ep centers around the backstory - that that is the focus or impetus of the story - which means that, hopefully, we won't end up with another Epiphany where the backstory elements got cut.

http://i14.tinypic.com/5ytc6c2.gif*does squee! dance* Eek! This ep sounds awesome! I totally agree with you Alipeeps, it sounds like backstory is going to be the main focus. Squee! At last we'll get some real backstory for Shep!!

Xicer
August 2nd, 2007, 03:59 PM
Update:


Finally, we will get around to breaking that Sheppard on Earth story next week along with what we hope will be the season finale.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-2-2007.html

PG15
August 2nd, 2007, 04:19 PM
Now this is odd, since Joe has mentioned a few times in the past (and at Comic Con) how they've already at the spinning stage of this story.

I've got to ask him a few questions...

Alipeeps
August 2nd, 2007, 04:26 PM
Now this is odd, since Joe has mentioned a few times in the past (and at Comic Con) how they've already at the spinning stage of this story.

I've got to ask him a few questions...

Um.. I think the difference is between spinning and breaking. From my understanding, spinning is them sitting around discussing the story idea and what to do with it and developing it into a plot (which they've already done on this ep) and then breaking it (which they are planning to now do) is actually sitting down and writing the basic plot/storyboard for the episode and actually breaking it down scene by scene as to what will happen and how.

PG15
August 2nd, 2007, 04:43 PM
Hmmm...you might be right there. I just searched Joe's blog and came up with this:


And it turned out to be a good call. We needed the energy as we finally finished breaking Rise of the Googlions Part I today. I’ll be doing the honors, which means I get to work on the outline this weekend.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/06/june-8-2007.html

So breaking comes right before Outline-making? Crap...did I just show utter ignorance in front of Joe?! Oh, how can I live with myself now?!

Alipeeps
August 2nd, 2007, 04:47 PM
So breaking comes right before Outline-making? Crap...did I just show utter ignorance in front of Joe?! Oh, how can I live with myself now?!

My understanding of the process is:

1. Spinning the story (getting the general idea of setting, events, outcome etc)
2. Breaking the story (really taking it apart and breaking it into acts and what will happen when and how)
3. Outline (putting together an outline of the story, how it will break down scene by scene with what happens where and when in the story etc)
4. Writing the damn script! :D

P.S. Worry not... compared to half the posters on Joe's blog, you are a shining beacon of intellectual excellence, wit and poise... :D :D :lol:

PG15
August 2nd, 2007, 04:49 PM
I rather like that description. ;)

Thanks!

scifi_lemon
August 3rd, 2007, 12:25 AM
My understanding of the process is:

1. Spinning the story (getting the general idea of setting, events, outcome etc)
2. Breaking the story (really taking it apart and breaking it into acts and what will happen when and how)
3. Outline (putting together an outline of the story, how it will break down scene by scene with what happens where and when in the story etc)
4. Writing the damn script! :D

P.S. Worry not... compared to half the posters on Joe's blog, you are a shining beacon of intellectual excellence, wit and poise... :D :D :lol:

See, what I'm most curious about this ep (besides the fact that we get to learn more about Shep's backstory! squee!) is how they're going to still make it cool and scifi-y. What do you think brings him to Earth? We've mentioned family issues, but what about something to do with his gene? Thoughts?


I rather like that description. ;)

Thanks!

It's sad but true. :P

starfox
August 3rd, 2007, 01:41 AM
See, what I'm most curious about this ep (besides the fact that we get to learn more about Shep's backstory! squee!) is how they're going to still make it cool and scifi-y. What do you think brings him to Earth? We've mentioned family issues, but what about something to do with his gene? Thoughts?




For some reason, I think the sci-fi elements will be a bigger part of the B-plot in this ep. Or maybe there will be issues on the Daedalus, a la "Intruders". Or maybe Shep attempts to hide from his family by hanging out in the SGC labs, helping them with the Ancient tech.

And then his estranged father/mother/sister/brother/cousin/gerbil comes on base to talk to him, and in the middle of an awkward conversation, something he activated goes wonky, and he has to save the day.
"You wanted to know about my life? Well this is it!" (attempts to do something heroic and falls flat on his behind. Achieves heroism on second go-round)

PG15
August 3rd, 2007, 03:35 PM
News from JM:


PG-15 writes: ...2. You mentioned breaking the Shep-on-Earth story next week, but I thought you guys have already spun it out, or at least broken it already? 3. So, Martin Gero is doing "Harmony"? Wow, so he's writing his "Three's Company" episode, the JF-pitched story, AND Harmony? He's going to be busy.”

Answers: ...2. We started spinning the story but took a break to work on Harmony, then will switch gears again to work on the Sheppard on Earth story next week. 3. Martin was writing the Sheppard on Earth story but, having finished Trio (formerly Three’s Company), he will start on Harmony while Alan McCullough assumes writing duties on the JF-inspired eppy.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-3-2007.html

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 03:38 PM
News from JM:


<snip>while Alan McCullough assumes writing duties on the JF-inspired eppy.



Oh drat. :( And I was so excited about this one too. Maybe I jinxed it. I know MG can't write everything, but..... *sigh* This is a major disappointment. Gero's done so well with McKay backstory. I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do with Shep backstory.

scifi_lemon
August 3rd, 2007, 04:38 PM
For some reason, I think the sci-fi elements will be a bigger part of the B-plot in this ep. Or maybe there will be issues on the Daedalus, a la "Intruders". Or maybe Shep attempts to hide from his family by hanging out in the SGC labs, helping them with the Ancient tech.

And then his estranged father/mother/sister/brother/cousin/gerbil comes on base to talk to him, and in the middle of an awkward conversation, something he activated goes wonky, and he has to save the day.
"You wanted to know about my life? Well this is it!" (attempts to do something heroic and falls flat on his behind. Achieves heroism on second go-round)

*snort* :lol: That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while ;) It's totally something I could see happening.


Oh drat. :( And I was so excited about this one too. Maybe I jinxed it. I know MG can't write everything, but..... *sigh* This is a major disappointment. Gero's done so well with McKay backstory. I was really looking forward to seeing what he could do with Shep backstory.

*joins in the dissapointment* What has Allan written? Just so we can get an idea of what we can expect.

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 04:52 PM
*joins in the dissapointment* What has Allan written? Just so we can get an idea of what we can expect.

I'm thinking PG15 will get this answered before I get it posted :D but....

Prototype
Stronghold
Off The Grid
Arthur's Mantle
Insiders :(
Company of Thieves
Line in the Sand
The Road Not Taken

I think he's also doing Tabula Rasa and The Seer.

I can't say I've been particularly taken with anything he's done so far. I don't hate them (except for Insiders), but they'll probably never go on a favorites list. Arthur's Mantle is probably the one I like the best of the bunch.

Alipeeps
August 3rd, 2007, 04:55 PM
I wouldn't gove up hope just yet (please excuse my awful spelling/typing.. Fridayb night... lots of whiskey! :lol:)

So far we know Alan has written The Seer, Spoils of War and The Kindred Part II....

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 04:57 PM
I'm not completely giving up hope, it's just....a lot of my hopes were pinned on this being an MG episode. And now it's not.

Gate Geek
August 3rd, 2007, 05:01 PM
I'm looking forward to this ep as long as it doesn't turn out to be cheesy or heaven forbid, something reminiscent of Phantoms......promise of a backstory that ended in utter disappointment for me.

I find it intriguing that it will take place on Earth. Does he screw something up in atlantis and being sent back to Earth? Is there problems at "home" that need to be dealt with? some Long overdue fallout from Afghanistan? The Antarctic post? What? What??????? i'm gonna go nuts now.

PG15
August 3rd, 2007, 05:08 PM
I'm thinking PG15 will get this answered before I get it posted :D but....



Am I that predictable? ;)

I actually was going to post a list but sort of got lazy half-way through and just stopped. :D

I knew somebody was going to post a list anyway. ;)

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 05:20 PM
I'm looking forward to this ep as long as it doesn't turn out to be cheesy or heaven forbid, something reminiscent of Phantoms......promise of a backstory that ended in utter disappointment for me.

I find it intriguing that it will take place on Earth. Does he screw something up in atlantis and being sent back to Earth? Is there problems at "home" that need to be dealt with? some Long overdue fallout from Afghanistan? The Antarctic post? What? What??????? i'm gonna go nuts now.

I'm hoping it has something to do with family. Someone asked JM why Shep didn't seem to have anyone to send a message to in LFP, and his response seemed to indicate that was an issue that would be addressed in this episode. I'm hoping for some good angst (that's why I was hoping for Gero), and maybe some good Sheppard/McKay friendship moments (I'm still crossing my fingers that it's Rodney that goes back with him).

I'm just hoping they don't make it a farce like Vala's backstory in Family Ties.

scifi_lemon
August 3rd, 2007, 07:27 PM
I'm thinking PG15 will get this answered before I get it posted :D but....

Prototype
Stronghold
Off The Grid
Arthur's Mantle
Insiders :(
Company of Thieves
Line in the Sand
The Road Not Taken

I think he's also doing Tabula Rasa and The Seer.

I can't say I've been particularly taken with anything he's done so far. I don't hate them (except for Insiders), but they'll probably never go on a favorites list. Arthur's Mantle is probably the one I like the best of the bunch.

Huh. I only remember one or two of those eps. That doesn't bode well for this Shep backstory ep.


I'm hoping it has something to do with family. Someone asked JM why Shep didn't seem to have anyone to send a message to in LFP, and his response seemed to indicate that was an issue that would be addressed in this episode. I'm hoping for some good angst (that's why I was hoping for Gero), and maybe some good Sheppard/McKay friendship moments (I'm still crossing my fingers that it's Rodney that goes back with him).

I'm just hoping they don't make it a farce like Vala's backstory in Family Ties.

ITA. I was really looking forward to Gero writing this. But then again....

Those eps were all pretty serious eps. Gero tends to write eps with a lot of humor. I can imagine SHep's backstory having any humor, so perhaps this might be a good thing.

Or not...;)

PG15
August 3rd, 2007, 07:32 PM
Alan McCullough also wrote "Dominion", by the way. I thought that one was pretty good.

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 07:46 PM
Huh. I only remember one or two of those eps. That doesn't bode well for this Shep backstory ep.

ITA. I was really looking forward to Gero writing this. But then again....

Those eps were all pretty serious eps. Gero tends to write eps with a lot of humor. I can imagine SHep's backstory having any humor, so perhaps this might be a good thing.

Or not...;)

They're serious, but if I remember correctly, they're pretty much all action episodes. No real angst/character episodes in the bunch, except for LitS, which did have some angst but....didn't really grab me. I don't know. I'll have to wait and see how he handles the Atlantis characters vs the SG-1 characters.


Alan McCulloughalso wrote "Dominion", by the way. I thought that one was pretty good.

Actually, Alex Levine is credited with the story and AM with the teleplay, which is why I didn't list it. Maybe I should have? But again, Dominion was an action episode. And...I didn't hate it, really...but it seemed too rushed I think. They were trying to cram too much story into that episode, and it suffered for it IMO.

PG15
August 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM
Well, this wouldn't be that different, since JF came up with the basic story.

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 08:06 PM
Well, this wouldn't be that different, since JF came up with the basic story.

Yes, but he did with Epiphany as well, and look how that went....:S

*sighs* *throws up hands*

Who knows? Guess we'll see. It may turn out to be the best episode ever!!! :D Anything's possible. I guess my bubble of optimism has just been burst though. I'm still hopeful...just not bouncing up and down anymore.

ETA: Although scifi_lemon is right though about the humor - it's doubtful it will be a humor episode with AM writing it, just going off this history.

starfox
August 3rd, 2007, 09:24 PM
I'm not too worried. "Prototype" was an episode I enjoyed, both for showing a darker side of Daniel and some interesting (if a bit predictable) politics. I also enjoyed his interpretation of McKay in "The Road Not Taken".


Spoilers from "The Road Not Taken"
His McKay is both believable as a possible Rodney, and noticably different from ours in a way that suits the story. Also, it is possible to infer from one line in that episode that AU!McKay got fed up with AU!Carter and was the one to file for divorce. He gets points in my book for that, showing a new aspect of an old relationship.


From what I can remember of the episodes he's written, they were fairly good. I think all of the problems I had were with the larger arcs. He seemed to have a good grasp of the characters and gave a view of their personal relationships that showed depth and emotion without getting cheesy or weepy.

This is all IMO, of course, but I think his style will suit a Sheppard story.

scifi_lemon
August 3rd, 2007, 09:30 PM
Well, this wouldn't be that different, since JF came up with the basic story.

*points to Epiphany* Let's just hope that it'll be better because they won't be working on two shows.


*sighs* *throws up hands*

Who knows? Guess we'll see. It may turn out to be the best episode ever!!! :D Anything's possible. I guess my bubble of optimism has just been burst though. I'm still hopeful...just not bouncing up and down anymore.

ETA: Although scifi_lemon is right though about the humor - it's doubtful it will be a humor episode with AM writing it, just going off this history.

ITA. We're just going to have to wait and see. I hope everything works out though. :S

Killdeer
August 3rd, 2007, 09:34 PM
I'm not too worried. "Prototype" was an episode I enjoyed, both for showing a darker side of Daniel and some interesting (if a bit predictable) politics. I also enjoyed his interpretation of McKay in "The Road Not Taken".


Spoilers from "The Road Not Taken"
His McKay is both believable as a possible Rodney, and noticably different from ours in a way that suits the story. Also, it is possible to infer from one line in that episode that AU!McKay got fed up with AU!Carter and was the one to file for divorce. He gets points in my book for that, showing a new aspect of an old relationship.


From what I can remember of the episodes he's written, they were fairly good. I think all of the problems I had were with the larger arcs. He seemed to have a good grasp of the characters and gave a view of their personal relationships that showed depth and emotion without getting cheesy or weepy.

This is all IMO, of course, but I think his style will suit a Sheppard story.

You know, I had forgotten about his AU!Rodney. I did like him. :) Hmmm. That's kind of encouraging. Thanks. :)

Yeah, I thought Prototype was fine, and Arthur's Mantle. Wasn't so crazy about some of the others. Insiders had major problems (IMO) and Stronghold was when they started trying to introduce the more reckless version of Cam, which I wasn't wild about. Have to confess I don't really remember Off the Grid and Company of Thieves that well, except they both had to do with the Lucian Alliance and the crazy corn. :D

ETA: Just checked GW episode summaries and I remember them now. Off the Grid is the Team in Leather episode, and Company of Thieves was where the Odyssey (with Carter on board) got taken over by the Lucian Alliance and Cam went undercover. Hmmm. :S

Gate Geek
August 4th, 2007, 10:35 AM
I'm hoping it has something to do with family. Someone asked JM why Shep didn't seem to have anyone to send a message to in LFP, and his response seemed to indicate that was an issue that would be addressed in this episode. I'm hoping for some good angst (that's why I was hoping for Gero), and maybe some good Sheppard/McKay friendship moments (I'm still crossing my fingers that it's Rodney that goes back with him).

I'm just hoping they don't make it a farce like Vala's backstory in Family Ties.


I agree, family would be good. I want some real backstory in this ep..not hints of it, not skirting around, not touching on what we already know, and please for the love of Satrgate NOTHING like that horrible Vala family episode that you mentioned. :S

It will be interesting to see how they go with this one. Until I see it, I will reserve judgement.

Xicer
August 7th, 2007, 03:55 PM
Update from JM's blog:


Back in the office today and we broke the JF story today. More on it, some snaps from Kindred II, and the mailbag tomorrow.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-7-2007.html

watcher652
August 8th, 2007, 04:31 PM
More on this episode on Mallozzi's Aug 8 blog: (http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-8-2007.html)

Still looking for a title for the Sheppard on Earth story we finished breaking yesterday. To those of you who are using the bio on the Sci Fi website as a guide, stand advised - the reference to his father being a Cold War Colonel is not canon. I’m not even sure where it came from. So, expect some insight into Shep’s past relationships late in season four.
I always wondered about that when it was first posted about his father before the show even aired.

PG15
August 8th, 2007, 04:35 PM
There's also this bit:


Anonymous #1 writes: “It does make me wonder if he had not approached you with this plot, would we have gotten any Sheppard back story at all this season?”

Answer: Delving into Sheppard’s backstory was one of the things on our To-Do list at the beginning of the season, and Joe’s idea gives us the perfect scenario in which to do it.

Grey writes: “On the SciFi website, for Sheppard's character it describes him as "the son of a respected Cold War colonel". In the upcoming Sheppard-on-Earth storyline, might we learn anything about said father (ie: dead, alive, disowned) or is that something initially thought of that doesn't fit the character anymore?”

Answer: That didn’t come from us.



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-8-2007.html

scifi_lemon
August 8th, 2007, 07:25 PM
Hmmm....well that throws a lot of fanfics about Shep's childhood as an Army brat out the window ;)

Killdeer
August 8th, 2007, 07:27 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing. :) One of the perils of writing fanfiction for an ongoing series.

scifi_lemon
August 8th, 2007, 07:41 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing. :) One of the perils of writing fanfiction for an ongoing series.

LOL. I wouldn't know, though, because I'm not stupid enough to write a background story without all the facts *tries to cover-up fic about Rodney building the nuke in 6th grade behind her back* Nope. Never. *averts eyes guiltly*

I'm so weird. ;)

Killdeer
August 8th, 2007, 07:51 PM
LOL. I wouldn't know, though, because I'm not stupid enough to write a background story without all the facts *tries to cover-up fic about Rodney building the nuke in 6th grade behind her back* Nope. Never. *averts eyes guiltly*

I'm so weird. ;)

:lol: Isn't that where the term "getting jossed" came from?

scifi_lemon
August 8th, 2007, 07:54 PM
:lol: Isn't that where the term "getting jossed" came from?

*snort* LOL! Here's some mental GREEN for you! :D:D

pilgrim soul
August 9th, 2007, 03:16 AM
Hmmm....well that throws a lot of fanfics about Shep's childhood as an Army brat out the window ;)


A couple of my fics are now "wrong" because what's happened on screen contradicts stuff I've written but it's just fanfic. All fan fiction is essentially one big AU anyway.

I'm now really excited about this episode because it's suddenly become far less predictable and far more fascinating. I never believed the bios were canon anyway so it's nice that we really don't know anything about Sheppard's past going into this episode.

Alipeeps
August 9th, 2007, 04:48 AM
it's nice that we really don't know anything about Sheppard's past going into this episode.

Exciting, isn't it? :D

Gate Geek
August 9th, 2007, 05:03 AM
A couple of my fics are now "wrong" because what's happened on screen contradicts stuff I've written but it's just fanfic. All fan fiction is essentially one big AU anyway.

I'm now really excited about this episode because it's suddenly become far less predictable and far more fascinating. I never believed the bios were canon anyway so it's nice that we really don't know anything about Sheppard's past going into this episode.


Not having that bio as canon certainly leaves things a lot more open in what angles they are going to go with this story. Just not knowing how this one is going to be spun..well...SQUEE!! It's going to be great to have an actual surprise episode!

Xicer
August 9th, 2007, 05:09 AM
It'd be interesting if Sheppard came from a smart family where his parents always wanted him to go to a good college and become a doctor or something, but instead joined the Air Force. Talk about a twist lol.

pilgrim soul
August 9th, 2007, 05:31 AM
^Well I've always said he's more like McKay than he's prepared to admit. :lol:

vaberella
August 9th, 2007, 05:56 AM
I've complained before that next to Teyla, John has the least development. He may have tons of screen time but he's closed off, except for the times he's been unguarded with Teyla (predominantly) and Ronon. The man is a mystery; and I don't know about you all, but I've gotten tired of the enigmatic hero. I need more from him, to understand his recklessness, to understand why he's so guarded, to understand why he became a soldier. The daddy idea gave me one aspect, but since that's been tossed I need something more. I want to know what shaped the man. I may not have watched a lot of SG1, but I did see a few eps in S1 and I learned a lot about Jack. For the last 3 years with John---I've learned the most miniscule amount. It's a bit distressing...I like the character more so because I feel he has a lot to offer, hence the reason I adore Teyla and Ronon so much.

It's unfortunate though that I have not heard much on John's backstory for this season and that's a bit worrisome. Maybe what they're doing is dropping a few hints (facts) here and there during the season to develop John rather than one straight backstory. I do think that Doppelganger will surface a few frightening truths for John that I'll be able to eat up. Unfortunately I don't find that to be the same with "Travelers" <--- could be the reason I'm not too excited about the ep overall.


It'd be interesting if Sheppard came from a smart family where his parents always wanted him to go to a good college and become a doctor or something, but instead joined the Air Force. Talk about a twist lol.

It would be nice but I don't think that's likely. I think he was raised on the wrong part of the tracks and probably an orphan (probably his mother or father gave him over to the state). He seems to have "abandonment issues"---gives me the impression that he's been left behind and so it's become a motto he doesn't release especially when he's become close to people who are family. Then there's his attitude dating back to LFP when he was a bit, dare I say, "shame-faced" when Weir mentioned family. He shook his head in the negative. A man with a family, even one that he broke ties with would still something back if it proved his demise (ie. McKay's video to his sister). So that solidified the fact he has no one for me.

I get the feeling that after the state knocked him out he joined the military and made his career and life with the military. Developing some friendships that he recognized as family although he's not one to speak on how much they mean to him. Or it could be some guilt because of some accident that happened that took his family away and he lived. Some people act as though they were left behind based on the massive guilt they carry with them, but I don't think that's the case with John---although it might be an alternative.

Killdeer
August 9th, 2007, 08:18 AM
^Well I've always said he's more like McKay than he's prepared to admit. :lol:

:lol: That's probably true. :) Remember his look in M&MM when Rod said that his Sheppard made our Rodney look modest? :D

PG15
August 9th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Big hint from JM:


Anonymous #1 writes: “Will Shep's ex wife be mentioned in the backstory?”

Answer: She will be making an appearance.


http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-9-2007.html

Xicer
August 9th, 2007, 04:37 PM
Hm...interesting.

Alipeeps
August 9th, 2007, 04:38 PM
Indeed. This could be very interesting indeed.... :)

vaberella
August 9th, 2007, 06:33 PM
I was hoping she'd show up. I think I had asked that question a while while back. Either here or on JM's blog. Good to know that I'd get to see her. I think I was hoping JF's "real life" wife would play the role as I heard she was an actress. But I can't wait to see her and get an idea on the kind of person she is, maybe she's something like a Peg Bundy (I always pegged that she was of that persona when I heard him mention her in Sunday; blame it on my Bush moments) :D---that would just be utter class. Big hair and hot pants/spandex, no wonder John wasn't too upset when she walked out. :D

Xicer
August 9th, 2007, 06:50 PM
I was thinking of more of a Lwaxana Troi, lol

Oh, the horror...

pilgrim soul
August 10th, 2007, 01:07 AM
You know I really hope she's just nice. Just a nice woman and it didn't work out. At the end of the day that's far more interesting than her being a 2-dimensional *****.

Alipeeps
August 10th, 2007, 01:35 AM
You know I really hope she's just nice. Just a nice woman and it didn't work out. At the end of the day that's far more interesting than her being a 2-dimensional *****.

Completely agree. She should just be a normal person. I don't see Shep's failed marriage as being some horrendous, angsty trauma... he seemed quite accepting of it in Sunday and it's not like it's an uncommon, tragic occurence for a marriage to end these days...

His past marriage is and should be an interesting facet to his character and I'm certainly interested to find out more about it but I don't think it necessarily needs to be, or should be, some clichéd tragedy or angry, hateful break-up...?

vaberella
August 10th, 2007, 01:53 AM
I don't think anyone thought the ending of his marriage was angst-filled. On the contrary, when I saw Sunday and his flippancy towards his failed marriage---I was like "Okay then, whatever" came to mind. I think they were uber-young and she was probably was happy to marry a military man and had high dreams in being a military wife. He loved his job and probably periodically forgot he had a wife based on his tendency to be reckless. As such, marriage was over just because they had different priorities and from each other that couldn't be worked out for different reasons. All in all, it seemed to be an amiable break up or if anything it has been years and he's moved on quite well and probably just considered it something in his youth.

But clearly John took some blame for it's failure but it wasn't something horribly heartbreaking. His "issues" stem from something deeper rooted. She might have had an affect, but very limited. His "issues" could have been another nail to the coffin though.

pilgrim soul
August 10th, 2007, 02:00 AM
^ You see I've never brought that whole "it was all some kind of mistake because they were too young when they got married". I'd much prefer it to be something more recent and more meaningful - Sheppard being flippant about it is just Sheppard being Sheppard, if he was serious he might actually have to discuss emotions.

I think a lot of people want him too have been very young because they think it puts him in a better light but sometimes people get married for all the right reasons and it just doesn't work out - it doesn't make either of them bad people.

Sheppard's in his late 30's early 40's it would be far more odd for him not to have had a serious relationship in his adult life.

vaberella
August 10th, 2007, 02:24 AM
See that's the thing. The writers have made a point in S3 to make John more emotional about things. And from the posts made by JM on his blog they are far from backpedaling on John's emotion.

Sure John used to be flippant that doesn't seem the case if it's something that matters. Look at Phantoms, he wasn't flippant about his people and what he went through in the military before Antartica---he was just taciturn. But he didn't ignore it or marginalize the emotion as he did with the comment on his ex. That being said, it is assumptions I'm making but I am looking at the episodes and how they've evolved in S3 and the comments made by JM for S4.

Sheppard was being Sheppard in S1 and S2, but Sheppard has changed as he should especially taking into consideration S3 and eps like Sateda and Ronon willing to oust himself for the others. Episodes like Phantoms that made him face some demons, eps like The Return and Sunday. John went from one dimensional to being two-dismensional and with the added emotion within him, things we'll be seeing him face (based on JM's statements) I would expect Shep to be more than just Shep. To be moving more into the direction that we've seen so far in S3.

I put it as something young, but it's not because in anyway shape or form I assumed it would put him in a better light. I just put it as that because well, I just did. One though that crossed my mind was after he lost his people in Iraq---it probably took a toll on his relationship. But I put that to an aside because I figured it ended way before then.

Maybe he was serious and maybe he omitted from committed relationship based on the failure of his marriage long before (and that's the side I'm on). <---But I could be wrong, I don't deny that.

scifi_lemon
August 10th, 2007, 11:01 PM
^ You see I've never brought that whole "it was all some kind of mistake because they were too young when they got married". I'd much prefer it to be something more recent and more meaningful - Sheppard being flippant about it is just Sheppard being Sheppard, if he was serious he might actually have to discuss emotions.

I think a lot of people want him too have been very young because they think it puts him in a better light but sometimes people get married for all the right reasons and it just doesn't work out - it doesn't make either of them bad people.

Sheppard's in his late 30's early 40's it would be far more odd for him not to have had a serious relationship in his adult life.

ITA. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind if it was an "angsty" break up. I don't want it to just be, "yeah, were married for a couple years but, ya know, we just spilt up." I'd like it to be more meaningful and have more impact than that.

And I think it was a big event in Shep's life, or we wouldn't be seeing his ex at all. Because if nothing interesting happened, then there'd be no reason to bring it up at all.

starfox
August 10th, 2007, 11:33 PM
It would be interesting in John's ex had a kid. There's been mention of jealousy from John regarding Teyla's pregnancy, and this could tie into that. Someone he was once in love with, was once married to, having moved on and started a completely new family. It could either be really, really, angsty - ZOMG!!!!!! She's got teh baybeez and all I've got is this puddlejumper (I'd prefer the jumper) - or make John realise that he doesn't actually have any desire to be a father.

For some reason, I view John (especially John of Seasons 1 and 2) as the type of person who's bad at relationships. Not a jerk or anything, he's just got trust issues and sucks at commitment. I feel like seeing his ex-wife and finding out what went wrong there will either confirm that or joss me completely - we discover that Shep's actually a closet romantic who often brought home flowers and celebrated anniversaries with roses and chocolate and champagne and wanted kids immediately and made his wife the center of his universe and she just didn't appreciate him. Actually, a revelation like that would rock my socks just as much as Commitmentphobic!John would. At this point I just want to know something about him.

pilgrim soul
August 11th, 2007, 01:04 AM
ITA. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind if it was an "angsty" break up. I don't want it to just be, "yeah, were married for a couple years but, ya know, we just spilt up." I'd like it to be more meaningful and have more impact than that.

And I think it was a big event in Shep's life, or we wouldn't be seeing his ex at all. Because if nothing interesting happened, then there'd be no reason to bring it up at all.

All divorces/break ups are angsty. I guess what I mean is that I want it to be dealt with in a grown up and realistic way. I don't think Shep would ever marry a ***** and I don't think he would intentionally treat a woman badly he's just emotionally dysfunctional.


It would be interesting in John's ex had a kid. There's been mention of jealousy from John regarding Teyla's pregnancy, and this could tie into that. Someone he was once in love with, was once married to, having moved on and started a completely new family. It could either be really, really, angsty - ZOMG!!!!!! She's got teh baybeez and all I've got is this puddlejumper (I'd prefer the jumper) - or make John realise that he doesn't actually have any desire to be a father.


I think that's an interesting possibility. That he sees her in a happy relationship with kids and thinks "that could have been me", there's the potential for a little bit of angst there. I think despite what a lot of people say deep down he's a romantic and he does want to find someone to settle down with, hence him being married in the first place, he just doesn't know how to do that on an emotional level.

Of course we don't know how much of the episode will dwell on this particular relationship. When JM talked about this episode he implied more than one person from Sheppard's past would be putting in an appearance.

Cautious Explorer
August 11th, 2007, 07:03 AM
Of course we don't know how much of the episode will dwell on this particular relationship. When JM talked about this episode he implied more than one person from Sheppard's past would be putting in an appearance.

True. I don't think the ex will be a large part of the story. They weren't even going to do anything with Sheppard backstory until JF came up with something they liked and thought they could work off of. So it's not like the reference to the ex in Sunday was a big a hint to lead to this season 4 story. I think it's more likely that several people from Sheppard's past will be involved and someone remembered that there was mention of an ex wife and threw her in as well.

PG15
August 11th, 2007, 04:17 PM
More on that wife:


Zoey Flannigan writes: “Do you think that you could do a episode where shepherd is reunited with a love intrest from his past?”

Answer: We are working on a late-season episode in which he is reunited with his ex-wife.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-11-2007.html

vaberella
August 11th, 2007, 05:55 PM
^^ Not much more, but I can't wait to see that in action and on screen. I wonder what her name is, and if she still carries the last name Sheppard.

Mitchell82
August 12th, 2007, 12:54 PM
ITA. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind if it was an "angsty" break up. I don't want it to just be, "yeah, were married for a couple years but, ya know, we just spilt up." I'd like it to be more meaningful and have more impact than that.

And I think it was a big event in Shep's life, or we wouldn't be seeing his ex at all. Because if nothing interesting happened, then there'd be no reason to bring it up at all.

Agreed. Alot of time relationships with someone in the service doesn't last and I would like it to be more of a angsty break up other than just spliting up.

Redhooks
August 13th, 2007, 04:28 PM
From JM's blog answer to episode order, the title for this episode is "Outcast." It is to air right after Quarantine.

PG15 also writes: “…mind telling us the episode order for the second half of Season 4?”

Answer: Be All My Sins Remember’d, Spoils of War, Quarantine, Outcast, Trio, Midway, Harmony, Kindred I, Kindred II, Finale.

vaberella
August 13th, 2007, 04:32 PM
^^ Wow, what a gutting title. :( I can't wait to see it. Poor Shep. He's no longer an outcast in the human race. Now he's a significant player in the PG. Maybe that's why he's so reckless and seems to have a need to prove himself and his self worth, by taking extremely risky heroic leeps.

VB--spec'ing out!!

scifi_lemon
August 13th, 2007, 04:43 PM
From JM's blog answer to episode order, the title for this episode is "Outcast." It is to air right after Quarantine.

'Outcast'. That word has so many connotations. Is it just figurative for Shep being a loner? Was he cast out by his family (which would explain a lot)? Is Shep really an outcast Ancient (I don't think so but I'm just throwing it out there)? Or is it totally OT that we can't even think of it right now?

PG15
August 13th, 2007, 04:54 PM
Well hey, I didn't know you were updating the first post all this time Xicer! Geez, so many "you're welcome's" I forgot to say. ;)

vaberella
August 13th, 2007, 05:11 PM
'Outcast'. That word has so many connotations. Is it just figurative for Shep being a loner? Was he cast out by his family (which would explain a lot)? Is Shep really an outcast Ancient (I don't think so but I'm just throwing it out there)? Or is it totally OT that we can't even think of it right now?

This makes it more clear to me that he might have been in foster care in his life. What do you mean by outcast Ancient, was there talk of that before? Or are you referring to things like in Epiphany.

scifi_lemon
August 13th, 2007, 05:16 PM
This makes it more clear to me that he might have been in foster care in his life. What do you mean by outcast Ancient, was there talk of that before? Or are you referring to things like in Epiphany.

No. A popular theory in fanfiction is that the reason Shep's gene is so strong, that he apparently has no family, and the fact that Ancient women are so attracted to him is that he is a descended Ancient that was sent back to Earth.

It's HIGHLY unlikely, but sorta fun to play around with. ;)

vaberella
August 13th, 2007, 05:41 PM
^^ Got you, the hornball theory. :D

Pegasus_SGA
August 13th, 2007, 06:00 PM
'Outcast'. That word has so many connotations. Is it just figurative for Shep being a loner? Was he cast out by his family (which would explain a lot)? Is Shep really an outcast Ancient (I don't think so but I'm just throwing it out there)? Or is it totally OT that we can't even think of it right now?

I agree with you and Josie, he's just emotionally dysfunctional. Bless him. I love the title as it opens up quite a few possibilites. It could be him feeling like an outcast? His self imposed isolation in the Antarctic and the flipping of the coin in Rising, certainly suggests that he has felt like that for a while, or he grew up feeling that way? Or it could be that he's become an outcast from Atlantis?

Given it's a backstory, i'm going with him feeling like an outcast. Maybe time has moved on while he's been away and now feels (if there is any family left) like an outcast?

pilgrim soul
August 13th, 2007, 11:50 PM
I agree with you and Josie, he's just emotionally dysfunctional. Bless him. I love the title as it opens up quite a few possibilites. It could be him feeling like an outcast? His self imposed isolation in the Antarctic and the flipping of the coin in Rising, certainly suggests that he has felt like that for a while, or he grew up feeling that way? Or it could be that he's become an outcast from Atlantis?

Given it's a backstory, i'm going with him feeling like an outcast. Maybe time has moved on while he's been away and now feels (if there is any family left) like an outcast?

Outcast is a pretty evocative word isn't it? I just got even more excited about this episode. Please, please, please PTB let me have my Sheppy angst - I promise to be a good girl. :D

Linzi
August 14th, 2007, 12:00 AM
I love the title. The word 'outcast' is so emotive. I look forward to this episode EVEN more now! In fact, I feel like having a good sniff! ;)

pilgrim soul
August 14th, 2007, 12:05 AM
Also for all those people worried that this episode was going to be about the ex and too cliched I don't think we are going to see that now - the title just doesn't fit.

What if it's a case of him being an Outcast from his old life, by which I mean his old unit/squadron (whatever it would be called) and his old friends etc, the ex could figure into that. Perhaps something happened that made him an outcast within the AF and that is why he was happy to go to Antarctica.

Linzi
August 14th, 2007, 12:06 AM
Also for all those people worried that this episode was going to be about the ex and too cliched I don't think we are going to see that now - the title just doesn't fit.

What if it's a case of him being an Outcast from his old life, by which I mean his old unit/squadron (whatever it would be called) and his old friends etc, the ex could figure into that. Perhaps something happened that made him an outcast within the AF and that is why he was happy to go to Antarctica.
His black mark in Afghanistan?

pilgrim soul
August 14th, 2007, 12:18 AM
His black mark in Afghanistan?

But why would that make him an Outcast? Sure his commanding officers would be angry but why would everyone else turn against him. Unless he was in someway blamed for the deaths of Holland and his crew.

You see I'm arguing against my own ideas now. I'd really like it if everything didn't come down to Afghanistan - I'd like it to be deeper than that.

Maybe he is just the black sheep of the family. Perhaps there is a Mummy and Daddy Sheppard out there but he has no contact with them. But then why would he go back and why would he take anyone else with him? Where is the sci-fi element?

With SG1 being based on Earth it was easy for them to write Earth based episodes but with Atlantis it isn't the same, if something stargate related happens on Earth why would they call in someone from another galaxy to deal with it? Something stargate related happening to his family/ex doesn't seem likely which is why I keep coming back to the idea of it being related to his former career.

Perhaps I'm coming at this from the wrong angle, what if the catalyst for him going back is something that happens to him in Pegasus rather than something that happens to anyone else back on Earth.

Linzi
August 14th, 2007, 01:09 AM
But why would that make him an Outcast? Sure his commanding officers would be angry but why would everyone else turn against him. Unless he was in someway blamed for the deaths of Holland and his crew.

You see I'm arguing against my own ideas now. I'd really like it if everything didn't come down to Afghanistan - I'd like it to be deeper than that.

Maybe he is just the black sheep of the family. Perhaps there is a Mummy and Daddy Sheppard out there but he has no contact with them. But then why would he go back and why would he take anyone else with him? Where is the sci-fi element?

With SG1 being based on Earth it was easy for them to write Earth based episodes but with Atlantis it isn't the same, if something stargate related happens on Earth why would they call in someone from another galaxy to deal with it? Something stargate related happening to his family/ex doesn't seem likely which is why I keep coming back to the idea of it being related to his former career.

Perhaps I'm coming at this from the wrong angle, what if the catalyst for him going back is something that happens to him in Pegasus rather than something that happens to anyone else back on Earth.
Well, the black mark nearly ruined his career, and maybe it affected him and his family too? The military bosses certainly don't seem to like Sheppard's record and are wary of him.

Maybe his family were upset by his black mark, or maybe it has nothing to do with it? Possibly Sheppard isolated himself from everyone because he blamed himself for not saving Holland et al?

The possibilities are endless. I just have a feeling the situation in Afghanistan must have a role here somewhere, just because it's been mentioned so much already.

Pegasus_SGA
August 14th, 2007, 01:11 AM
Also for all those people worried that this episode was going to be about the ex and too cliched I don't think we are going to see that now - the title just doesn't fit.

What if it's a case of him being an Outcast from his old life, by which I mean his old unit/squadron (whatever it would be called) and his old friends etc, the ex could figure into that. Perhaps something happened that made him an outcast within the AF and that is why he was happy to go to Antarctica.

I wouldn't say I was worried, the news was a bit groan worthy for me. I'm not a fan of ex's showing up... i've got issues there. :lol: And i'd rather just blot that spoiler out of my mind for now, lol. What I don't know, can't make me go meh. :lol: So for now if someone mentions it, i'll just go, "Ex wife? What ex wife?" Hehehe.

I'm not sure if his unit would have made him an outcast as he risked his life and court martial to go and get his team mats. But i think it's more to do with his perception of feeling like an outcast, cut off from anyone and everything because of choices made. Maybe he felt like he let the team down when Holland didn't make it out alive? And that act brought on feelings of being an outcast, so he secluded himself from others. Consequently the more he shied away (in Antarctica) they saw him as a bit of a misfit and of someoneone to be avoided, which only heightened his feelings of not being wanted? Feelings aren't always rational, but by avoiding people and hiding out in the remotest part of our world, ;) his peers could potentially look to him as being an outcast.

Oh man it's too early for deep and meaningful's :lol:

blue-skyz
August 14th, 2007, 04:04 AM
I think you can forget about Afghanistan. They’ve done it to death and I’m sick of it.

Go back before then.
Maybe to what he was involved in before he became just another chopper pilot in Afghanistan.

Obviously, it wasn’t SGC related, but the SGC can’t be the only interesting organization that the Air Force supports. Ummmmmm…

Xicer
August 14th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Sorry I haven't been updating the first post lately, I've been busy with moving from Michigan to my new house in Connecticut. :)

EDIT: Some confirmation on the episode title:


Yet Another Flanigan Fan writes: “Is "Outcast" the Sheppard backstory episode proposed by Joe Flanigan and written by Alan McCullough?”

Answer: Yep.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-14-2007.html

Xicer
August 15th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Hm...


Marty G. pitched out a special guest star for Outcast, a character we haven’t seen since his debilitating injury in season. Won’t the fans be surprised. Well, probably not as I’m sure you’ve figured it out.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-15-2007.html

PG15
August 15th, 2007, 04:32 PM
Bates.

Has to be Bates.

It better be Bates.

It's Bates.

Xicer
August 15th, 2007, 04:33 PM
If it's Bates, I'm gonna be soooooooo happy. He was such a great character but we didn't really see him past season 1.

prion
August 15th, 2007, 04:35 PM
Hm...

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-15-2007.html


Bates.

Has to be Bates.

It better be Bates.

It's Bates.

Oh, Bates. Hadn't thought of him, but did think of Colonel Everett... I'd be happy with either one, but maybe a bit more with Everett as it would be interesting to have Sheppard run into him. In fact, if it's Everett, I wonder if Shep isn't going back to earth for some kind of hearing - then it would make sense that Everett might be there for the proceedings.

vaberella
August 15th, 2007, 05:01 PM
Wow Bates back?! Crazy.

SFL----where's are pro smilies?! Huh? I'm loving it. So I get a notice to come and see and I get this news. Wicked stuff peeps. I think I'm going into coma from excitement.

Ltcolshepjumper
August 15th, 2007, 05:19 PM
I think it's Everett. Bates did not have a debilitating injury ( if you want to call a coma debilitating). Everett, on the other hand, had his life taken from him, which could have caused all sorts of problems later on after his recovery.

prion
August 15th, 2007, 05:21 PM
Wow Bates back?! Crazy.

SFL----where's are pro smilies?! Huh? I'm loving it. So I get a notice to come and see and I get this news. Wicked stuff peeps. I think I'm going into coma from excitement.

Well, we don't know YET. Bates, Everett, I'm game for either but would prefer Everett... since JM wrote "Marty G. pitched out a special guest star for Outcast", it also depends on the availability of the actor..

Hmm, Dean Marshall (Bates) is in the middle of a movie (if IMDB is right) while Clayton Landry (Everett) finished one.

PG15
August 15th, 2007, 05:22 PM
Uh, yeah I would call a coma debilitating, considering that he wouldn't be able to, you know, move.

prion
August 15th, 2007, 05:24 PM
I think it's Everett. Bates did not have a debilitating injury ( if you want to call a coma debilitating). Everett, on the other hand, had his life taken from him, which could have caused all sorts of problems later on after his recovery.

Well, Bates was in a coma due to a subdural hematoma, which if not treated correctly, could result in brain damage.

scifi_lemon
August 15th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Hm...
http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-15-2007.html


Bates.

Has to be Bates.

It better be Bates.

It's Bates.

I don't think it's Bates. JM mentioned: "after his dibilitating injury". I don't think Bates was ever seriously injured. When I first read it, my first thought was Halling, but that doesn't make sense.


Oh, Bates. Hadn't thought of him, but did think of Colonel Everett... I'd be happy with either one, but maybe a bit more with Everett as it would be interesting to have Sheppard run into him. In fact, if it's Everett, I wonder if Shep isn't going back to earth for some kind of hearing - then it would make sense that Everett might be there for the proceedings.

I think that makes sense. Perhaps we meet up with him on Earth. For some reason, I have a feelin that it's not going to be a hearing. But maybe that's just me. *shrug*

PG15
August 15th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Here's what happened to Bates:


INFIRMARY. DAWN. John and Carson walk over to Bates’ bed to join Aiden who is standing at the bedside. Bates is unconscious and has a breathing tube in his mouth.
SHEPPARD: Is he gonna be OK?
BECKETT: It’s still hard to tell. He’s got five broken ribs, a fractured collarbone, and the concussion was quite severe.
SHEPPARD: When can we talk to him?
BECKETT: We can’t. I put him in a medically induced coma until the subdural haematoma can be dealt with. We won’t be finding out what happened from him any time soon.
FORD (to John): Teyla and Bates got into it pretty badly yesterday, sir.
SHEPPARD: A fistfight and a beating like this are a long drive apart, Ford.
FORD: I understand that, sir, but they were in a fight; they were both looking to continue it.
(John looks at Carson.)
SHEPPARD: Anything pointing to who did this?
BECKETT: I’m having a forensic exam of both his body and clothing performed right now.
SHEPPARD: Let us know what you find out. (To Ford) Let’s go get her side of the story.



http://www.moon-catchin.net/gatenoise/sgatranscripts/s1/119seigept1.htm

prion
August 15th, 2007, 05:47 PM
See, told ya he had a subdural hematoma. Also....

Anybody noticed JM changed his blog entry? It now reads

"Marty G. pitched out a special guest star for Outcast, a character we haven’t seen since his debilitating injury in season one."

He added in the season #.

So, could conceivably be Bates. Hmm, not fair giving us Everett fans hope! ANd if that subdural hematoma gave him a delibilitating injury, he's probably no longer in the military. He'd be on permanent disability, or whatever. Fractured ribs and collarbone are probably easily healed. Traumatic brain injury isn't.(Well, JM did say injury, which is singular, which is why I thought Everett, and Bates had injuries (plural) which is why, well, you get my drift. Hmm, if Bates recovered from the subdural hematoma... he could still be in the military, come to think of it. JM, you gotta be more precise in your hints!)

scifi_lemon
August 15th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Here's what happened to Bates:


http://www.moon-catchin.net/gatenoise/sgatranscripts/s1/119seigept1.htm

Ah. So, Bates is a possiblity. Gotcha.

Jenner8675309
August 15th, 2007, 05:54 PM
Well if its people from his past, and possibly flashbacks (I assume, who knows!) maybe its Col. Sumner???? I know they say they hated to kill him, he was too good, maybe its there way of bringing him back for an ep.

prion
August 15th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Well if its people from his past, and possibly flashbacks (I assume, who knows!) maybe its Col. Sumner???? I know they say they hated to kill him, he was too good, maybe its there way of bringing him back for an ep.

Oh, answered this on the JM blog thread, but being sucked dry and shot dead is past 'injury' ;)

Jenner8675309
August 15th, 2007, 06:04 PM
Oh, answered this on the JM blog thread, but being sucked dry and shot dead is past 'injury' ;)

But dead people come back in flashbacks, if the ep has any. Thats all I'm saying :)

prion
August 15th, 2007, 06:19 PM
But dead people come back in flashbacks, if the ep has any. Thats all I'm saying :)

Very true. It's scifi, nobody ever remains dead ;) I'm hoping we'll get some flashbacks, or better yet, people from his past showing up. I'd rather having living folk going "Sheppard?You're a colonel? who'd you blackmail!" ;)

Wow, wonder how Bates would react to the promotion, come to think of it.....

scifi_lemon
August 15th, 2007, 07:06 PM
Well if its people from his past, and possibly flashbacks (I assume, who knows!) maybe its Col. Sumner???? I know they say they hated to kill him, he was too good, maybe its there way of bringing him back for an ep.

I was thinking that they might do flashbacks. If it's a hearing (which I'm thinking is more and more likely), they'll probably be reviewing his record and then we'll get some flashbacks of the big events of his military career. Well, we hope so, anyways. :S


Very true. It's scifi, nobody ever remains dead ;) I'm hoping we'll get some flashbacks, or better yet, people from his past showing up. I'd rather having living folk going "Sheppard?You're a colonel? who'd you blackmail!" ;)

Wow, wonder how Bates would react to the promotion, come to think of it.....

I'd like to see some people in the present react to Shep. I wonder how his ex will get involved?

*snort* I've never thought of that. He'd pbe thinking "Wahhh?" but he'd say, "Congradulations, sir." with as much contempt as he could muster without being insubordinate ;)

Ripple in Space
August 15th, 2007, 07:42 PM
It sounds a lot more like Everett to me.

While Bates will please us longtime fans with questions, Everett could actually impart some wisdom on Shepp, one Colonel to another.

Killdeer
August 15th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I noticed that Quarantine is right before this episode in the airing order. Does anyone think maybe something happens to Shep in Quarantine and that's why he goes back to earth in Outcast?

pilgrim soul
August 16th, 2007, 12:03 AM
My first thoughts were Everett too, I think that could be interesting. If Everett is still alive then he could actually prove an ally to Sheppard. That would be my preferred scenario.

Gate Geek
August 16th, 2007, 04:51 AM
I was thinking that they might do flashbacks. If it's a hearing (which I'm thinking is more and more likely), they'll probably be reviewing his record and then we'll get some flashbacks of the big events of his military career. Well, we hope so, anyways. :S


I'd like to see some people in the present react to Shep. I wonder how his ex will get involved?

*snort* I've never thought of that. He'd pbe thinking "Wahhh?" but he'd say, "Congradulations, sir." with as much contempt as he could muster without being insubordinate ;)


*sigh* I'm really hoping this ep has no flashbacks or at the very least, has very limited flashbacks. Maybe I'm tainted and sour from the letdown of Phantoms, but unless its done really well, those type of episodes just don't do it for me. I'm not keen on the idea of Shep going back for a hearing either. Once again, just too cliche.

Aw hell, maybe I was beginning to expect too much from this ep. Time to leave and not think about it until it airs. Don't need to be disappointed once again.

pilgrim soul
August 16th, 2007, 05:01 AM
I have to agree with you GG, I hate the idea of flashbacks too. As for the reason he goes back, so far every scenario I've come up with has a major flaw. I just can't reconcile the sci-fi aspect, that must be there, with the backstory we are supposed to be getting.

I'm hoping that as JM said this episode will explain why he had no one to send a message home to and that he mentioned it would deal with his previous "relationships" plural we are going to see more than just his ex-wife. Surely we must finally find out if he has any parents/siblings back on Earth, even if it's just a mention that they are all dead or whatever.

As for this old character coming back I think the fact that MG has only just thrown this idea into the hat means that it is not going to be a major plot element. I expect something more of a cameo appearance.

bluealien
August 16th, 2007, 05:09 AM
I was also thinking that we may get some flashbacks from Sheps past. They may be shown through a series of events that expalin how Sheppard came to be the way he is today. Otherwise how are we going to get any insight into his past if everything takes place in the present. I can't see Shep sitting down with various people from his past and discussing what may have happened on these occasions.

I was wondering about the reason John goes back... I was thinking that maybe he is seriously injured and that no one can help him on Atlantis and therefore he is sent back to earth. If he is seriously ill or injured this would be the perfect opportunity for various people from his past to come and visit him including Bates.. Why would his ex wife come into the picture unless John's life is in some kind of danger. Maybe upon seeing these people from his past they conjur up past experiences that give us more insight into the man himself. I think if they are flashbacks they will go into more detail than from what we saw in Phantoms. It will probably cover more areas of his past as well, both his military and his personal background.

pilgrim soul
August 16th, 2007, 05:25 AM
I was also thinking that we may get some flashbacks from Sheps past. They may be shown through a series of events that expalin how Sheppard came to be the way he is today. Otherwise how are we going to get any insight into his past if everything takes place in the present. I can't see Shep sitting down with various people from his past and discussing what may have happened on these occasions.

I was wondering about the reason John goes back... I was thinking that maybe he is seriously injured and that no one can help him on Atlantis and therefore he is sent back to earth. If he is seriously ill or injured this would be the perfect opportunity for various people from his past to come and visit him including Bates.. Why would his ex wife come into the picture unless John's life is in some kind of danger. Maybe upon seeing these people from his past they conjur up past experiences that give us more insight into the man himself. I think if they are flashbacks they will go into more detail than from what we saw in Phantoms. It will probably cover more areas of his past as well, both his military and his personal background.

^No offense intended but I really hope we get something different to that. That's really not the episode I want to see it just sounds bland a cliched and I don't want to see flashbacks, it's just lazy storytelling.

I'm not expecting him to sit around having deep and meaningful discussions with everyone, you don't have to spell everything out to the audience. What's isn't said can often be more telling than what is said.

Besides I'd like a little mystery to remain, where's the fun in knowing everything?

Gate Geek
August 16th, 2007, 06:13 AM
^No offense intended but I really hope we get something different to that. That's really not the episode I want to see it just sounds bland a cliched and I don't want to see flashbacks, it's just lazy storytelling.

I'm not expecting him to sit around having deep and meaningful discussions with everyone, you don't have to spell everything out to the audience. What's isn't said can often be more telling than what is said.

Besides I'd like a little mystery to remain, where's the fun in knowing everything?


I agree with ya Josie. I don't want to know everything about Shep. Shep would never sit around having deep meaningful discussions - that would be out of character.

I'm not sure where they are going with this ep. I just hope they avoid the cliched approaches and come up with something intriguing.

blue-skyz
August 16th, 2007, 06:31 AM
I was also thinking that we may get some flashbacks from Sheps past. They may be shown through a series of events that expalin how Sheppard came to be the way he is today. Otherwise how are we going to get any insight into his past if everything takes place in the present. I can't see Shep sitting down with various people from his past and discussing what may have happened on these occasions.

I was wondering about the reason John goes back... I was thinking that maybe he is seriously injured and that no one can help him on Atlantis and therefore he is sent back to earth. If he is seriously ill or injured this would be the perfect opportunity for various people from his past to come and visit him. Why would his ex wife come into the picture unless John's life is in some kind of danger. Maybe upon seeing these people from his past they conjure up past experiences that give us more insight into the man himself. I think if they are flashbacks they will go into more detail than from what we saw in Phantoms. It will probably cover more areas of his past as well, both his military and his personal background.

I could see this happening. No scifi unless he has some weird reaction to whatever the quarantine was for or some organization is after him for some reason (the gene?). (I hope the past is not shown through fevered eyes or other impairment. In Phantoms none of the flashbacks can be taken as real because of how they were generated.) But injury would provide a platform for the past. Maybe visitors are telling Ronon stories about Sheppard.
Ronon must be going if he is going to Earth three times in S4 (one would be Miller’s Crossing, the other?). The ex may not be there, she may appear in another story.

I also think a hearing could work, similarly. In one of the promos, Sam say something like, ‘Colonel, I’m relieving you of duty.’ Anyone have any idea what that is about, or is it just another Doppelganger misdirection? :rolleyes:

They could also be thinking about promoting him, reviewing his past. At the end of S4 he will have been a Lt. Col. for three years, the required time. Hopefully the show will last long enough that they do.

I prefer that he go back because of something in his past before Afghanistan. I just can’t seem to add any significant scifi into any of the scenarios, except for someone, e.g. the Trust, who finds out he is on Earth and is after him for the gene or …?

And I agree he should still be a mystery, so they can tell us more in S5. ;)

bluealien
August 16th, 2007, 06:38 AM
I don't think we are going to get to know everything about John, possibly only snippets. I've never really been all that bothered about knowing about John's background. I'm really not sure what it will achieve. For me its enough to know that whatever happened in his past made him the man he is today. I'd like to see more insight into the Sheppard we have now, and what's behind the cool flyboy facade (which Sateda did quite well) rather than having huge chunks of his past life revealed. But having said that as we are having an episode that will concentrate on Sheps past how are we going to get this insight if

1) Shep doesn't really discuss anything with the people from his past... ie ex wife or whoever. What can we learn about him if he reveals nothing about himself.
2) If we don't get any flashbacks at all then again how can we get details of what happened to him in the past.

JM has said it will give us Shep backstory so I'm wondering how that can play out. Firstly what has brought John back to earth ? ... this has to play a major role in how the story unfolds... I thought we may have gotten some flash backs as this would be the easiest way of showing us if Shep has a history of not fitting in ... and WHY. ... therefore emphasising the title "Outcast". Again I would think that the title has to be of some significance.. I thought we may get a fleeting glimpse of Shep through flashbacks which would account for why he is closed off emotionally, disobys orders , estranged from his family etc. It doesn't have to go into detail as I also much prefer the man to be mysterious but the tptb have been asked for backstory so I can't think how else they can give us this without delving somewhat into Sheps past..

blue-skyz
August 16th, 2007, 06:59 AM
Here’s a possibility: They found some Ancient something-or-other on Earth and no one can get it to activate. Sheppard is brought to Earth to give it a try. Then Postulate any kind of weird Ancient Technology and the story can become anything you can dream, complete with scifi. ;)

I like this idea better than any others that I have imagined.

Linzi
August 16th, 2007, 07:38 AM
I was also thinking that we may get some flashbacks from Sheps past. They may be shown through a series of events that expalin how Sheppard came to be the way he is today. Otherwise how are we going to get any insight into his past if everything takes place in the present. I can't see Shep sitting down with various people from his past and discussing what may have happened on these occasions.

I was wondering about the reason John goes back... I was thinking that maybe he is seriously injured and that no one can help him on Atlantis and therefore he is sent back to earth. If he is seriously ill or injured this would be the perfect opportunity for various people from his past to come and visit him including Bates.. Why would his ex wife come into the picture unless John's life is in some kind of danger. Maybe upon seeing these people from his past they conjur up past experiences that give us more insight into the man himself. I think if they are flashbacks they will go into more detail than from what we saw in Phantoms. It will probably cover more areas of his past as well, both his military and his personal background.
Now I like this idea very much! No surprises there! ;)

What this thread has shown me, is that there are so many fantastic ideas fans have for this episode. In fact, you could probably make about three different episodes out of the material here. I hope TPTB can live up to the hype we're all imagining. It's a tall order.

I don't want to know everything about Sheppard either. I am curious about his ex-wife. Was he married young, or quite recently?

I'm also interested in his family. Does he have any, or doesn't he? Whatever else is in the episode I'm interesed to see. But I would like just really that one question answered. Are his family, ie, parents, alive? I'm presuming he has no siblings? Whatever else the writers want to let me know about Shep I'm happy to see.

Atlanis
August 16th, 2007, 07:43 AM
There is a return in outcast of a person who has had a "debilitating injury"
It's a Ford at least that's what I think

1. we know it's a guy
2. a "debilitating injury" a pushment beating isn't a debilitating injury it's sore (Bates)
3. geting souped up on wrath go go juice and becoming domented enough to take on a hive ship with nothing but a p90 a bunch of wanna be thugs and some nicked C4 now that's a debilitating injury to your brain

It's Ford on wrath Lucozade to me

Who do you think?

AvatarIII
August 16th, 2007, 07:58 AM
i heard it was

beckett

Almighty_Wookie
August 16th, 2007, 08:05 AM
i heard it was

beckett

That does seem to be the general opinion of a lot of people at the moment, although I'm not sure what episode he's supposed to be in first, but this sounds like it could be the one.

As for Ford I know it has been confirmed by Joe Mallozzi that he won't return in Season Four.

s09119
August 16th, 2007, 08:06 AM
That does seem to be the general opinion of a lot of people at the moment, although I'm not sure what episode he's supposed to be in first, but this sounds like it could be the one.

As for Ford I know it has been confirmed by Joe Mallozzi that he won't return in Season Four.

Or EVER, at this rate...

Anywho, I like the idea of Bates or Everett coming back.

redfox000
August 16th, 2007, 08:08 AM
There is a return in outcast of a person who has had a "debilitating injury"
It's a Ford at least that's what I think

1. we know it's a guy
2. a "debilitating injury" a pushment beating isn't a debilitating injury it's sore (Bates)
3. geting souped up on wrath go go juice and becoming domented enough to take on a hive ship with nothing but a p90 a bunch of wanna be thugs and some nicked C4 now that's a debilitating injury to your brain

It's Ford on wrath Lucozade to me

Who do you think?

Joe Mallozzi stated that we last saw this particular character in SEASON 1.

Atlanis
August 16th, 2007, 08:14 AM
Beckett is comming back in "The kindrid" i think
Evrett was in "The seige" pt 3.

Gate Geek
August 16th, 2007, 08:25 AM
There is a return in outcast of a person who has had a "debilitating injury"
It's a Ford at least that's what I think

1. we know it's a guy
2. a "debilitating injury" a pushment beating isn't a debilitating injury it's sore (Bates)
3. geting souped up on wrath go go juice and becoming domented enough to take on a hive ship with nothing but a p90 a bunch of wanna be thugs and some nicked C4 now that's a debilitating injury to your brain

It's Ford on wrath Lucozade to me

Who do you think?


Wasn't Bates was injured by the wraith who beamed in to Atlantis. It was set up to look like he might have been beaten up by Teyla - but later revealed that wasn't the case.

Considering JM said it was someone from S1 my money is on Bates. Although it could be Everett. I think he was life sucked in the Seige 2 which was part of Season 1.........

I thought I remembered that ford would not be making an appearance in S4. So that would exclude him.

Just my thoughts. Now I'm going back to the Outcast speculation thread.

Ripple in Space
August 16th, 2007, 08:26 AM
redfox posted this in another thread:


Joe Mallozzi stated that we last saw this particular character in SEASON 1.

If it's true it can't be Everett...

I don't see Bates adding much to Shepp's character, which is what it sounds like this person will be doing.

Mallozzi also said that Ford will not appear in S4 at all. So who else is left?

Could it be Grodin (scientist that died on the Ancient Satellite in Siege pt. 1)? I found him quite likable, but last we knew, he had died.

Sumner is also dead based on what we know, but he probably would be the most interesting choice. Now that we know the enzyme gives people superpowers while being fed on, maybe those bullet wounds didn't kill him? Sumner and Caldwell also have a history together ;)

Wraith_Boy
August 16th, 2007, 08:33 AM
There is a return in outcast of a person who has had a "debilitating injury"
It's a Ford at least that's what I think

1. we know it's a guy
2. a "debilitating injury" a pushment beating isn't a debilitating injury it's sore (Bates)
3. geting souped up on wrath go go juice and becoming domented enough to take on a hive ship with nothing but a p90 a bunch of wanna be thugs and some nicked C4 now that's a debilitating injury to your brain

It's Ford on wrath Lucozade to me

Who do you think?

The only proper character that went out after S1 with an injury was Bates!

Everett is now an old man & would not be in the military after what happened to him. He's probably in a nursing home or whatever at this point if not a goner. Not to mention was only brought in for the events of 'The Siege', that was resolvedf. So need to see him again.

Ford was gone in S2 & JM has already stated he won't be back in S4. Beckett will be back for two eps (Kindred 1 & 2') so it's not him either.

Therefore it's Bates who will return! The only bad part about it was he was a good character, so it will be sad to see him just back for a single ep. Wit luck he'll be in more if they get a S5.

Cautious Explorer
August 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM
Here’s a possibility: They found some Ancient something-or-other on Earth and no one can get it to activate. Sheppard is brought to Earth to give it a try. Then Postulate any kind of weird Ancient Technology and the story can become anything you can dream, complete with scifi. ;)

I like this idea better than any others that I have imagined.

I like that idea too. That way you can have a typical SGA story that just happens to take place on Earth and possibly allows Sheppard to come in contact with important people from his past.

I don't think we need flashbacks to get backstory. We learned about Rodney from his interaction with his sister. Technically we got backstory (a very small amount) in Sunday when Sheppard and Ronon were talking.

blue-skyz
August 16th, 2007, 09:19 AM
I don't see Bates adding much to Shepp's character, which is what it sounds like this person will be doing.
I think Bates could tell a lot about Sheppard’s character, good and bad.

I do think Bates came to respect Sheppard, at least, grudgingly, even though the last time we see him up, he and Sheppard have had a disagreement about Teyla, then Sheppard is breaking up a fight between he and Teyla. In Hot Zone, I think Bates unlocks the Gym, at least in part, because he believes Sheppard is right to defy Weir and try to stop Peterson. So what he might say about Sheppard would be interesting. :rolleyes:

And Bates has availability, he could easily be in the SGC (recovered from his ‘disability.’)

blue-skyz
August 16th, 2007, 09:44 AM
I don't think we need flashbacks to get backstory. We learned about Rodney from his interaction with his sister. Technically we got backstory (a very small amount) in Sunday when Sheppard and Ronon were talking.
I don’t think there has to be flashbacks, either. All we really need is casual discussion and some banter to reveal quite a bit. I don’t need my nose rubbed in the backstory, just the general idea of his family and what he was doing all those years before Afghanistan.

The ex wife actually appearing is more problematic. Maybe he takes Ronon to where he grew up or goes to visit a member of his family(gasp!) or a mentor, and runs into the ex. Or she’s in the Air Force and he runs into her. Or she’s a scientist and McKay drags him to see her without realizing she’s his ex. That is my most interesting scenario: she turns out to be a female McKay with better looks and better social skills and plenty of sass. And none of it requires flashbacks.

Oh, the possibilities!

Mitchell82
August 16th, 2007, 09:48 AM
I know some are concerned but this seems like to be a great ep from what I've read so lets hope I'm right.

vaberella
August 16th, 2007, 10:06 AM
My care is that we get a really well presented backstory for Shep. I don't care if it's flashback or not, because that's just technical stuff and visual. A good backstory no matter how executed will be interesting in it's own right. The visual display is not the end all and be all, paticularly over a character who should have had a back story several seasons ago. So I'm just more excited by learning something new about him and the developments that lead up to the man we have now, than really about if it's "flashback" or "present action".

Mitchell82
August 16th, 2007, 10:09 AM
My care is that we get a really well presented backstory for Shep. I don't care if it's flashback or not, because that's just technical stuff and visual. A good backstory no matter how executed will be interesting in it's own right. The visual display is not the end all and be all, paticularly over a character who should have had a back story several seasons ago. So I'm just more excited by learning something new about him and the developments that lead up to the man we have now, than really about if it's "flashback" or "present action".

Exactly. We are finally getting some long overdue backstory for Shep and so far it sounds like quite an ep.

Ripple in Space
August 16th, 2007, 11:27 AM
I think Bates could tell a lot about Sheppard’s character, good and bad.

I do think Bates came to respect Sheppard, at least, grudgingly, even though the last time we see him up, he and Sheppard have had a disagreement about Teyla, then Sheppard is breaking up a fight between he and Teyla. In Hot Zone, I think Bates unlocks the Gym, at least in part, because he believes Sheppard is right to defy Weir and try to stop Peterson. So what he might say about Sheppard would be interesting. :rolleyes:

And Bates has availability, he could easily be in the SGC (recovered from his ‘disability.’)

Well you're right, but the thing is, we already know all of that. Say what you will about the writers, but they have a knack for writing likable S.O.B.s, like Mayborne. Letters From Pegasus showed us that Bates is truly a good guy, and certainly a patriot, and while his calls were always proper and by-the-book, in a leadership role in Atlantis you had to know to bend the rules.

What I'm saying is we already know where Bates stands, and it's not like this guy has a wealth of seasoned military knowledge, he's clearly damned good, being the third highest ranking officer on the Expedition, but at the end of the day, he's still a young guy.

Colonel Sumner or Everett on the other hand could truly advise Shepp on being the leader of a Special Ops team.

Lord batchi ball
August 16th, 2007, 11:52 AM
I don't think it would be Bates.

It very well could be Everett I mean they could have given him back his life and questioned him for along time
And it is not Ford.

Gate Geek
August 16th, 2007, 11:58 AM
I don’t think there has to be flashbacks, either. All we really need is casual discussion and some banter to reveal quite a bit. I don’t need my nose rubbed in the backstory, just the general idea of his family and what he was doing all those years before Afghanistan.

The ex wife actually appearing is more problematic. Maybe he takes Ronon to where he grew up or goes to visit a member of his family(gasp!) or a mentor, and runs into the ex. Or she’s in the Air Force and he runs into her. Or she’s a scientist and McKay drags him to see her without realizing she’s his ex. That is my most interesting scenario: she turns out to be a female McKay with better looks and better social skills and plenty of sass. And none of it requires flashbacks.

Oh, the possibilities!

I'm in total agreement. I want a backstory, but don't need my nose rubbed in it either. I think having lots thrown at us would actually be too much.

As for Shep going back to Earth....maybe he's taking a mandatory R&R and something happens while he's on Earth? Or maybe his ATA gene makes things go hokey and there are major problems for him and Atlantis and is forced to leave and go back to Earth. I know, grasping at straws here, but just don't want to accept or entertain the idea of discplinary hearings, investagations etc as his reason for going back.

WraithSlayer25
August 16th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Although I'd like it to be Ford (unless JM was pulling our legs saying we won't be seeing Ford in S4), its probably Bates.

Pegasus_SGA
August 16th, 2007, 02:12 PM
I posted this on JM's blog, so thought i'd post my speculation here. :D

I was thinking about the "Outcast" ep and on going back through your blog I saw this question from 6th August.

"Anonymous #3 writes: "Any plans for an ice planet for our Atlantis expedition members this year? Or any other really different sort of planet environment?"

"Answer: Hmmmmmmmmmmm..."

So, I was wondering. By the Antarctic, there's a couple of islands, called 'Outcast' and as it's set on Earth, and with you Hmmmmming about an Ice planet.

Outcast islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_Islands)

Not sure where the mystery guest comes into it though :lol:

*hopes it's Bates* :D

scififreak23
August 16th, 2007, 03:13 PM
Finally. Some good sheppard backstory and we get it on earth! Even better. I can't wait to meet sheppards ex- wife.I honestly don't think the reason why it didn't work was because of sheppard's kirking.I think it was because sheppard has a hard time opening up to people and letting them in and the reason why the marriage failed was due to failure to communicate. I also have a strong feeling that sheppard's family is the reason why he has trouble doing some of those things.

sherryw
August 16th, 2007, 04:07 PM
I posted this on JM's blog, so thought i'd post my speculation here. :D

I was thinking about the "Outcast" ep and on going back through your blog I saw this question from 6th August.

"Anonymous #3 writes: "Any plans for an ice planet for our Atlantis expedition members this year? Or any other really different sort of planet environment?"

"Answer: Hmmmmmmmmmmm..."

So, I was wondering. By the Antarctic, there's a couple of islands, called 'Outcast' and as it's set on Earth, and with you Hmmmmming about an Ice planet.

Outcast islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_Islands)

Not sure where the mystery guest comes into it though :lol:

*hopes it's Bates* :D

Wow Peggy that's a great idea. Hmmm indeed.

Xicer
August 16th, 2007, 04:18 PM
From Joes blog today:


O1 writes: “Can you give us a hint about outcast and whether it is going to be an action episode, a character driven episode or an angsty episode?”

Answer: Hopefully, all of the above.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-16-2007.html

This episode is sounding better and better...

Sheppard's Delight
August 17th, 2007, 01:51 AM
I was also thinking that we may get some flashbacks from Sheps past. They may be shown through a series of events that expalin how Sheppard came to be the way he is today. Otherwise how are we going to get any insight into his past if everything takes place in the present. I can't see Shep sitting down with various people from his past and discussing what may have happened on these occasions.

I was wondering about the reason John goes back... I was thinking that maybe he is seriously injured and that no one can help him on Atlantis and therefore he is sent back to earth. If he is seriously ill or injured this would be the perfect opportunity for various people from his past to come and visit him including Bates.. Why would his ex wife come into the picture unless John's life is in some kind of danger. Maybe upon seeing these people from his past they conjur up past experiences that give us more insight into the man himself. I think if they are flashbacks they will go into more detail than from what we saw in Phantoms. It will probably cover more areas of his past as well, both his military and his personal background.




Seriously ill or injured......yep that idea sounds awesome!!!:)

Love all the speculation.

pilgrim soul
August 17th, 2007, 02:13 AM
I really am vehemently against the idea of flashbacks. In Phantoms it worked because they were blended into the story in the form of hallucinations and it worked well but on the whole flashbacks are lazy story telling. If it's well written we will be able to read between the lines and know what has happened in the past without being shown it.

Besides which there may not be any one event in his past that is referenced, if the episode is going to have an action element then I would guess it is dealing with a current issue and that the backstory will simply come from the inclusion of people from his past. Shep isn't the kind of guy to bare his soul but the people who knew him before Atlantis might be more forthcoming and we can learn a lot just from the conversations he has with his ex and whoever else we get to meet. Just by seeing their interaction we will get to see what kind of relationship they have/had and if you meet someone from your past it is only natural that you would talk about things that happened during the time you knew them.

I just don't see that we need any kind of flashbacks to tell a story about his past and I'll be bitterly disappointed if the writers fall back on such a cliché.

Linzi
August 17th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Seriously ill or injured......yep that idea sounds awesome!!!:)

Love all the speculation.
Me too. All this speculation is so much fun...I wonder why you like the idea of seriously ill or injured? You're not one of those whumpers, are you? :eek:

jenks
August 17th, 2007, 04:57 AM
I hope it's Bates that we see, hopefully they can get him back on Atlantis and rattle some cages :)

prion
August 17th, 2007, 05:08 AM
I posted this on JM's blog, so thought i'd post my speculation here. :D

I was thinking about the "Outcast" ep and on going back through your blog I saw this question from 6th August.

"Anonymous #3 writes: "Any plans for an ice planet for our Atlantis expedition members this year? Or any other really different sort of planet environment?"

"Answer: Hmmmmmmmmmmm..."

So, I was wondering. By the Antarctic, there's a couple of islands, called 'Outcast' and as it's set on Earth, and with you Hmmmmming about an Ice planet.

Outcast islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_Islands)

Not sure where the mystery guest comes into it though :lol:

*hopes it's Bates* :D

Hmmm, interesting thought, but if that's it, hope it's not done in vein of that SG1 episode where Sam and Jack got stuck in the Antarctic.... (in other words, been there, done that) and don't know how ex-wife and 'special guest star' would fit in. Well, we have a long time to speculate, no doubt.

blue-skyz
August 17th, 2007, 06:12 AM
By the Antarctic, there's a couple of islands, called 'Outcast' and as it's set on Earth, and with you Hmmmmming about an Ice planet.
Great find. There could something special about one of these islands or something on one of them. Ancient something! Sheppard comes to Earth to help figure out what it is. Start with the scifi, and develop story from there. I do so hope this backstory is not told in visions ala Phantoms.

It would be interesting, after all the speculation, if ‘outcast’ does not refer to Sheppard at all (or not only to him).

Platschu
August 17th, 2007, 07:07 AM
I hope the returning character will be Bates. :)

But there are other possibilities:

1. Weir : They cure her in 4x11 and they will send Elizabeth back to Earth. But JM menioned that she will be only in three episode (4x01, 4x02 and 4x11)
2. Kolya : He survived John's shots, but they postponed his return to season 5. ;)
3. Ford : He escaped from the Wraith Hive, but JM mentioned that we won't see him.
4. Bates : He worked in SGC at Landry after the long recoving. He hates Teyla so much, that he would like to no return to Atlantis. :o
5. Kavanaugh : John will meet with him at Earth.

starfox
August 17th, 2007, 07:34 AM
I hope the returning character will be Bates. :)

But there are other possibilities:

1. Weir : They cure her in 4x11 and they will send Elizabeth back to Earth. But JM menioned that she will be only in three episode (4x01, 4x02 and 4x11)
2. Kolya : He survived John's shots, but they postponed his return to season 5. ;)
3. Ford : He escaped from the Wraith Hive, but JM mentioned that we won't see him.
4. Bates : He worked in SGC at Landry after the long recoving. He hates Teyla so much, that he would like to no return to Atlantis. :o
5. Kavanaugh : John will meet with him at Earth.


Out of all of those, it could only be Bates. JM specifically said that the returning character is someone we haven't seen since Season 1. We saw Weir & Kolya in Season 3 and Ford & Kavanaugh in Season 2.

Unless we're counting The Siege 3 as part of Season 1 which would make Everett a possibility, my money is on the character being Bates.

JM even said we would probably be able to guess who the guest character is. Seeing as off the top of my head I can think of only one character who suffered serious and debilitating injury in Season 1 and whom we have not seen since Season 1, it's an easy guess.

SGFerrit
August 17th, 2007, 07:44 AM
1. Weir : They cure her in 4x11 and they will send Elizabeth back to Earth. But JM menioned that she will be only in three episode (4x01, 4x02 and 4x11)


Weir is in 4 episodes of the first half of the season, we just don't know the 4th one yet. Also, we don't know if she is in 4x11, we do know that she is in 4x10 though:)

Platschu
August 17th, 2007, 07:47 AM
Oops. I wrote a wrong episode number. Weir will be in 4x10. :o But if I remember well, JM mentioned somewhere that her 4 episodes will be only 3. :(

SGFerrit
August 17th, 2007, 07:57 AM
Oops. I wrote a wrong episode number. Weir will be in 4x10. :o But if I remember well, JM mentioned somewhere that her 4 episodes will be only 3. :(

Hm, I don't remember him saying that? Ah well, I guess we will know soon enough.

I was thinking, because TMC, BAMSR, and TSOW episodes are in essence a three parter, and Weir will be in TMC, does it not make sense that she will be in BAMSR and possibly even TSOW as well?

prion
August 17th, 2007, 08:06 AM
I hope the returning character will be Bates. :)

But there are other possibilities:

1. Weir : They cure her in 4x11 and they will send Elizabeth back to Earth. But JM menioned that she will be only in three episode (4x01, 4x02 and 4x11)
2. Kolya : He survived John's shots, but they postponed his return to season 5. ;)
3. Ford : He escaped from the Wraith Hive, but JM mentioned that we won't see him.
4. Bates : He worked in SGC at Landry after the long recoving. He hates Teyla so much, that he would like to no return to Atlantis. :o
5. Kavanaugh : John will meet with him at Earth.

Actually, we can rule out almost everyone...
JM said the character was left with a delibitating injury (now what he means by that is... the last time we saw the character? or actually did get left with a debilitating, non-fixable injury??) in season one.
Anyway, it narrows down to Bates. They've said Ford won't be in season 4.

Platschu
August 17th, 2007, 08:17 AM
Anonymous #1 writes: “For the rest of us, can you tell us if the four episodes Torri will be in are all in the first half of season four? Is there a chance Torri could appear in more episodes in the back of the season (hopefully a lot more)?”

Answer: Yes and yes.
http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/04/april-12-2007.html

* * *

Anonymous #4 writes: “Gives us the update, Joe. How many episodes will Torri be in?”

Answer: Four.
http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/05/may-4-2007.html

* * *


Anonymous #1 writes: “Someone who was at a recent con said that Torri's been in five of the first ten episodes, not four. Is that correct??”

Answer: That is incorrect.

Anonymous #1 also writes: “Is there a chance for her to be in more in the second half of the season?”

Answer: It’s possible.
http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/05/may-24-2007.html

So, you were right, I remembered wrong. 4 episodes in the first half! They have to be 4x01-4x02 and 4x10-4x11. But I hope for Outcast too. ;)

SGFerrit
August 17th, 2007, 08:23 AM
So, you were right, I remembered wrong. 4 episodes in the first half! They have to be 4x01-4x02 and 4x10-4x11. But I hope for Outcast too. ;)

But 4x11 isn't in the first half, that means there is an episode we do not know she is in between 4x03 and 4x09:)

Ah I think we are going a bit too off topic now though.

Pegasus_SGA
August 17th, 2007, 10:14 AM
From Joes blog today:


http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-16-2007.html

This episode is sounding better and better...

I'm feeling a lot better about this ep now. I was a bit worried at the beginning, only because I prefer lots of action, to mushy stuff :lol: Lots of gunfire, lots of blood, lots of fights and great team moments...
Still ignoring the whole ex-wife thing. ) :P


Seriously ill or injured......yep that idea sounds awesome!!!:)

Love all the speculation.

:lol: Spoken like a true whumper! ;)


I really am vehemently against the idea of flashbacks. In Phantoms it worked because they were blended into the story in the form of hallucinations and it worked well but on the whole flashbacks are lazy story telling. If it's well written we will be able to read between the lines and know what has happened in the past without being shown it.

How do you know the similar sort of technique won't be used here if they use flashbacks? They may prefer to do it in a current storyline telling to give us the backstory. Have someone (in the current timeframe) telling the story about what happened? I love reading between the lines and letting my imagination run wild when it comes to backstories and trying to decipher why people are like they are, and I don't really mind how they go about doing it, be it through flashbacks or through others. I can't really see Sheppard spilling his guts... although that last bit sounds extremely appealing... I really don't know why though... :P



Besides which there may not be any one event in his past that is referenced, if the episode is going to have an action element then I would guess it is dealing with a current issue and that the backstory will simply come from the inclusion of people from his past. Shep isn't the kind of guy to bare his soul but the people who knew him before Atlantis might be more forthcoming and we can learn a lot just from the conversations he has with his ex and whoever else we get to meet. Just by seeing their interaction we will get to see what kind of relationship they have/had and if you meet someone from your past it is only natural that you would talk about things that happened during the time you knew them.

I just don't see that we need any kind of flashbacks to tell a story about his past and I'll be bitterly disappointed if the writers fall back on such a cliché.

I agree, I like seeing people's reactions. And it sure will be interesting to hear what the mystery guest has to do with it. Although we're calling it a backstory, I doubt 45 minutes of it will be devoted to Shep and his past. I hope to get lots of interaction from the team, and how they react to what they hear. But it's not a need though Josie, it's a want, people have been wanting and pestering TPTB for a backstory on Shep and at last we're getting it. And I for one am looking forward to the ep, more so know I know it's going to be angsty and actionary... ok i just made that word up :lol:


I hope it's Bates that we see, hopefully they can get him back on Atlantis and rattle some cages :)

Woohoo! I loved all the antagonists on SGA :lol: I wonder how it all fits into the grand scheme though. :D


Hmmm, interesting thought, but if that's it, hope it's not done in vein of that SG1 episode where Sam and Jack got stuck in the Antarctic.... (in other words, been there, done that) and don't know how ex-wife and 'special guest star' would fit in. Well, we have a long time to speculate, no doubt.

I liked that ep :lol: I wondered if maybe they found something else in those islands, maybe some other ancient device and it needs two genes to activate it... I know it's highly unlikely given that O'Neill's not gonna be in it, unless something happened on those islands before he went to Atlantis, something we don't know about... Straws = clutching? The islands probably have nothing to do with it, but it was an interesting leap while it lasted. :D


Great find. There could something special about one of these islands or something on one of them. Ancient something! Sheppard comes to Earth to help figure out what it is. Start with the scifi, and develop story from there. I do so hope this backstory is not told in visions ala Phantoms.

It would be interesting, after all the speculation, if ‘outcast’ does not refer to Sheppard at all (or not only to him).

Yep, that was my thought to, maybe O'Neill's gene and Shep's are different in some way? it'll be interesting to see where/if the scifi connection comes into play :D

Xicer
August 22nd, 2007, 04:20 PM
Not sure if this has already been said, but Bates is out of his coma...


Paula writes: “Bates: Still in a coma?”

Answer: Nope.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-22-2007.html

scifi_lemon
August 22nd, 2007, 07:54 PM
Not sure if this has already been said, but Bates is out of his coma...



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-22-2007.html

so we're back to square one: Bates or Everett could appear in this ep.

Linzi
August 23rd, 2007, 02:15 AM
so we're back to square one: Bates or Everett could appear in this ep.
I'm thinking it's Bates :)

jenks
August 23rd, 2007, 03:14 AM
Me too, or at least I hope :)

scififreak23
August 23rd, 2007, 12:14 PM
I'm kind of stuck.I loved bates's character so I hope that it's him, but if it were everett we'd probably get alot more angst from sheppard because of how much it resembled sumner.

prion
August 23rd, 2007, 03:46 PM
from the 8/23 entry of JM's blog

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-23-2007.html

On the work front: shooting continues on the big team-up eppy, finished the polish on Harmony, almost finished my producer's cut of KindredI as I await the completion of the Previously On sequence, an exhausted Martin completed his latest (and last) rewrite of Trio, read the first draft of Outcast, and watched the episode with the engagement scene (I have a feeling the fans will love it).

Mitchell82
August 24th, 2007, 09:40 AM
Not sure if this has already been said, but Bates is out of his coma...



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-22-2007.html

When was bates in a coma?

Platschu
August 24th, 2007, 09:43 AM
I think we will see engagement flashbacks about Sheppard and his girlfriend, who later became his wife, but they divorced.

Mitchell82
August 24th, 2007, 09:45 AM
I think we will see engagement flashbacks about Sheppard and his girlfriend, who later became his wife, but they divorced.

Hmm possible neat idea if so.

Xicer
August 27th, 2007, 04:13 PM
A little bit more news:


Linzi writes: “Will we learn about Sheppard's parents? That is to say, will we find out if they're dead or alive?”

Answer: We will.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-27-2007.html

Mitchell82
August 27th, 2007, 06:31 PM
A little bit more news:



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-27-2007.html

Agh! These itsy bitsy bits of information are killing me!

scifi_lemon
August 27th, 2007, 08:54 PM
When was bates in a coma?

When the Wraith beat the snot out of him in Siege I. Or was it Siege II? I can't remember the ep, but he was definitely in a coma because of his injuries.

PG15
August 27th, 2007, 11:04 PM
It was Siege 1.

And I like the usage of "beat the snot out of him" there; made me chuckle. :D

I need to go to bed, I think. ;)

Atlantis1
August 28th, 2007, 10:18 AM
When was bates in a coma?

In Seige I, this is what Beckett told Ford: "I put him in a medically induced coma until the subdural haematoma can be dealt with."

Mitchell82
August 28th, 2007, 10:57 AM
In Seige I, this is what Beckett told Ford: "I put him in a medically induced coma until the subdural haematoma can be dealt with."

That's right I forgot about that. I guess it's because I loved seeing him getting the snot beat out of him.

Alipeeps
August 29th, 2007, 04:14 AM
Soooo... JM said recently in his blog that Ronon will be making three trips to Earth in Season 4. We know one is in Miller's Crossing. From the photos on JM's blog today, it looks like another is in Midway.

Which leaves me thinkging... will Ronon's third trip to Earth be with Sheppard in Outcast? :D

*Erika*
August 29th, 2007, 04:51 AM
Soooo... JM said recently in his blog that Ronon will be making three trips to Earth in Season 4. We know one is in Miller's Crossing. From the photos on JM's blog today, it looks like another is in Midway.

Which leaves me thinkging... will Ronon's third trip to Earth be with Sheppard in Outcast? :D
Heeee!:D

Mitchell82
August 30th, 2007, 05:00 PM
Heeee!:D

I hope so if so "joins Erika in a manish squee*;)

PG15
September 2nd, 2007, 03:40 PM
Tiny snippet from JM:


PG15 writes: "...Are all of the episodes being written/finished being written?”

Answer: Outcast is being re-written as we speak...

EDIT: A little more...


PG15 writes: “Which episodes have yet to be filmed?..."

Answer: We are partway through filming Harmony and will be moving on to Trio next. Outcast will follow Trio and then we’ll be finishing up with season finale.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-2-2007.html

EdenSG
September 2nd, 2007, 04:38 PM
Mmmmmm....

I wonder what he means by rewritten?

A total rewrite - new story - new direction?

Or just from writer to writer for a "polish" or suggestions?

Sounds like something major though - I wonder why?
I hope someone on his blog asks.

Alipeeps
September 2nd, 2007, 04:49 PM
Mmmmmm....

I wonder what he means by rewritten?

A total rewrite - new story - new direction?

Or just from writer to writer for a "polish" or suggestions?

Sounds like something major though - I wonder why?
I hope someone on his blog asks.

I would think he meant simply the next stage in the writing process... he mentioned not too long ago having read the first draft so they will be re-working it following everyone's notes on the first draft etc.. from my understanding, each script goes through several stages of being written, read and commented on, and amended etc before being the final version...

EdenSG
September 2nd, 2007, 05:12 PM
I would think he meant simply the next stage in the writing process... he mentioned not too long ago having read the first draft so they will be re-working it following everyone's notes on the first draft etc.. from my understanding, each script goes through several stages of being written, read and commented on, and amended etc before being the final version...



This is the wording that I was looking for when I said "polish".

Yes, hopefully/most likely he is referring to the logical sequence of script writing that he has described in various posts.

Thank you!

Alipeeps
September 3rd, 2007, 03:42 PM
News from JM's blog:


Jedi writes: “Will we find out if Sheppard has any siblings in S4?”

Answer: We will in Outcast.

Can you say..... squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!? :D

Xicer
September 3rd, 2007, 04:01 PM
And for those of you still conused about the "re-written" thing...


Redtwin writes: “Why is "Outcast" being rewritten?”

Answer: No script is perfect in its first draft so, yes, all scripts are rewritten to various degrees

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-3-2007.html

Mitchell82
September 3rd, 2007, 05:06 PM
And for those of you still conused about the "re-written" thing...



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-3-2007.html

All ready knew that. Nothing is ever etched in stone.

Xicer
September 4th, 2007, 04:43 PM
News:


Paul is now doing is pass on Outcast.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-4-2007.html

PG15
September 4th, 2007, 05:06 PM
That'd be "his pass" instead of "is pass", I'm pretty certain.

Xicer
September 5th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Yep that's what I thought.

PG15
September 5th, 2007, 09:48 PM
Prepare those drool buckets, Whumpers...


PG15 writes: “1) Can we expect some major Emotional Shep Whump (ESW) in Outcast? 2) In fact, would you say that season four has more Shep whumping than the other seasons?..."

Answers: 1) There will be definitely be some emotional shep whump in Outcast. 2) Yes.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-5-2007.html

Linzi
September 5th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Prepare those drool buckets, Whumpers...



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-5-2007.html




THUD!!!!!


I love you PG!!!!!:o

Alipeeps
September 5th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Prepare those drool buckets, Whumpers...


PG15 writes: “1) Can we expect some major Emotional Shep Whump (ESW) in Outcast? 2) In fact, would you say that season four has more Shep whumping than the other seasons?..."

Answers: 1) There will be definitely be some emotional shep whump in Outcast. 2) Yes.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-5-2007.html

And PG15 earns the undying gratitude of Shep whumpers everywhere! :D

*Erika*
September 6th, 2007, 02:16 AM
I would green you PG, but apparently I need to spread around...

Here, some mental green all from the botton of my heart:

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

PG15
September 6th, 2007, 01:51 PM
Thanks guys! It was a pleasure. Like you, I love seeing my characters suffer...emotionally, anyway. :D

*Erika*
September 6th, 2007, 02:12 PM
Thanks guys! It was a pleasure. Like you, I love seeing my characters suffer...emotionally, anyway. :D
I live to see Shep suffer... *sighs*

scififreak23
September 6th, 2007, 02:28 PM
thanks for asking those questions PG15.from all the spoilers that i read about for season 4 i pretty much figured out that this season was going to be the season of shep whump.However, it's nice to get it confirmed.:sheppard::D

prion
September 6th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Today, main unit was in the FX Stage, shooting the Harmony tease. And while they were shooting, I was in the office reading Paul’s pass on Outcast (offering up a more vulnerable side of Sheppard), watching a day #1 mix of Quarantine (a lot of terrific little character moments), eating pizza (Yes! Pizza!) for lunch, and composing a response to one of the many email scammers I‘ve taken to baiting of late.

Source: http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-6-2007.html

Uber
September 6th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Prepare those drool buckets, Whumpers...



http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-5-2007.htmlYAY!

Mitchell82
September 7th, 2007, 03:35 PM
Today, main unit was in the FX Stage, shooting the Harmony tease. And while they were shooting, I was in the office reading Paul’s pass on Outcast (offering up a more vulnerable side of Sheppard), watching a day #1 mix of Quarantine (a lot of terrific little character moments), eating pizza (Yes! Pizza!) for lunch, and composing a response to one of the many email scammers I‘ve taken to baiting of late.

Source: http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-6-2007.html

The more I hear the more I want season 4. Is it Sept 28th yet?!!

Xicer
September 8th, 2007, 04:51 PM
Yay for more outdoorsiness


Susan the Turtle writes: “Does this mean your big trip to the great outdoors is at an end?”

Answer: Yup. Trio will take place on our standing set while Outcast will take me out and about again, but to heavily forested surroundings.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-8-2007.html

PG15
September 8th, 2007, 05:15 PM
Hmmm...why would a Shep-goes-to-Earth-to-face-angst involve outdoors stuff? The plot thickens...

Xicer
September 8th, 2007, 05:17 PM
Yeah I would think most of it would take place in some city or town or something. Strange indeed.

Mitchell82
September 8th, 2007, 05:24 PM
Yeah I would think most of it would take place in some city or town or something. Strange indeed.

"Next week on Stargate Atlantis The team returns to Earth to face perils of angry monsters in Yellowstone NationalPark";)

Xicer
September 9th, 2007, 03:55 PM
Hehe whoops...


Ruffles writes: “ Since the shoot of Harmony seems to have been in heavily forested surroundings, did you mean to say that Outcast would NOT take you there?”

Answer: Oops. Yes, that’s what I meant.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-9-2007.html

PG15
September 9th, 2007, 04:04 PM
I knew it! :D

Mitchell82
September 9th, 2007, 05:05 PM
I knew it! :D

*wipes brow* phew!

scifi_lemon
September 9th, 2007, 06:00 PM
"Next week on Stargate Atlantis The team returns to Earth to face perils of angry monsters in Yellowstone NationalPark";)

*snort* :lol: Mental green for you!


Hehe whoops...

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/09/september-9-2007.html

That's what I thought. I guess you were right about the city/building angle. I can't wait to find out the premise!

Mitchell82
September 10th, 2007, 12:16 PM
*snort* :lol: Mental green for you!



That's what I thought. I guess you were right about the city/building angle. I can't wait to find out the premise!

Me too, man this is going to be a long wait. Still Ihave my SG-1 dvds which I am on "Road Not Taken" now I'll have my season 3 dvds to keep me busy. After I watch Allies of course.;)

PG15
September 11th, 2007, 10:12 AM
For those who are willing to uber-spoil yourselves (and I'm NOT one of them, so I haven't read this), here is a detailed spoiler synopsis of "Outcast" (courtesy of morjana of SG1-Spoilergate):

This is a SG1-Spoilergate exclusive!

Ronon and Shep are on Earth this episode, to attend Shep's father's
funeral. And, Shep's ex-wife, Nancy, stops by the Sheppard home to
pay her respects to his father at his wake (with an open bar), as he
was always good to Nancy.

Shep had problems with getting his father's approval. Marrying Nancy
was "one of the few things he ever did right."

There is also a character named Ava Granger in this episode, who used
to work for Henry Wallace. (From the 4th season episode, "Miller's
Crossing.")

And Graham, Shep's brother, is also in this episode.

Another character, Richard Poole is a scientist, who worked with Ava
Granger on a project (code names Archetype) that involved ... nanite
technology. They worked at Stanton Research, a division of Devlin
Medical Technologies.

Oopps...they've invented a human form replicator!

And...the IOA is investigating...

Yikes!

The human form replicator has escaped the laboratory...and is loose
on Earth! It escaped three weeks prior to Shep and Ronon coming to
Earth.

Double Yikes!

The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!

Morjana

SGFerrit
September 11th, 2007, 10:18 AM
Cool! Sounds action and emotion packed! LOTS of Shep backstory, as expected!

vaberella
September 11th, 2007, 11:04 AM
For those who are willing to uber-spoil yourselves (and I'm NOT one of them, so I haven't read this), here is a detailed spoiler synopsis of "Outcast" (courtesy of morjana of SG1-Spoilergate):

This is a SG1-Spoilergate exclusive!

Ronon and Shep are on Earth this episode, to attend Shep's father's
funeral. And, Shep's ex-wife, Nancy, stops by the Sheppard home to
pay her respects to his father at his wake (with an open bar), as he
was always good to Nancy.

Shep had problems with getting his father's approval. Marrying Nancy
was "one of the few things he ever did right."

There is also a character named Ava Granger in this episode, who used
to work for Henry Wallace. (From the 4th season episode, "Miller's
Crossing.")

And Graham, Shep's brother, is also in this episode.

Another character, Richard Poole is a scientist, who worked with Ava
Granger on a project (code names Archetype) that involved ... nanite
technology. They worked at Stanton Research, a division of Devlin
Medical Technologies.

Oopps...they've invented a human form replicator!

And...the IOA is investigating...

Yikes!

The human form replicator has escaped the laboratory...and is loose
on Earth! It escaped three weeks prior to Shep and Ronon coming to
Earth.

Double Yikes!

The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!

Morjana






Okay now...I like what I read but one thing popped out at me, which I'll talk about. Lately, from the spoilers about Ronon and this is he small stuff like him saying "damn" in that promo spoiler, and then the suit thing, and now the statement in the above. I'm going to throw a spec out there: I'm thinking Jason Momoa wants a hair cut.

Yup, I said, I think he's getting a hair cut, and to make it feasiable they will slowly Shepify him. More time spent with John, his speach altering because of John, the suit thing, going to Earth for what?! Possibly third time?! I think JM is tired of the locs and wants them off.


The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!

Morjana
This quote is my last straw with the changes to Ronon.

Pegasus_SGA
September 11th, 2007, 11:15 AM
For those who are willing to uber-spoil yourselves (and I'm NOT one of them, so I haven't read this), here is a detailed spoiler synopsis of "Outcast" (courtesy of morjana of SG1-Spoilergate):

This is a SG1-Spoilergate exclusive!

Ronon and Shep are on Earth this episode, to attend Shep's father's
funeral. And, Shep's ex-wife, Nancy, stops by the Sheppard home to
pay her respects to his father at his wake (with an open bar), as he
was always good to Nancy.

Shep had problems with getting his father's approval. Marrying Nancy
was "one of the few things he ever did right."

There is also a character named Ava Granger in this episode, who used
to work for Henry Wallace. (From the 4th season episode, "Miller's
Crossing.")

And Graham, Shep's brother, is also in this episode.

Another character, Richard Poole is a scientist, who worked with Ava
Granger on a project (code names Archetype) that involved ... nanite
technology. They worked at Stanton Research, a division of Devlin
Medical Technologies.

Oopps...they've invented a human form replicator!

And...the IOA is investigating...

Yikes!

The human form replicator has escaped the laboratory...and is loose
on Earth! It escaped three weeks prior to Shep and Ronon coming to
Earth.

Double Yikes!

The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!

Morjana





:lol: did you close your eyes when you were copying and pasting this? :P


Cool! Sounds action and emotion packed! LOTS of Shep backstory, as expected!

I'm looking forward more to this now, I can see where things are starting to fit, especially if the ex is a bit pissy, hehehe.


Okay now...I like what I read but one thing popped out at me, which I'll talk about. Lately, from the spoilers about Ronon and this is he small stuff like him saying "damn" in that promo spoiler, and then the suit thing, and now the statement in the above. I'm going to throw a spec out there: I'm thinking Jason Momoa wants a hair cut.

Yup, I said, I think he's getting a hair cut, and to make it feasiable they will slowly Shepify him. More time spent with John, his speach altering because of John, the suit thing, going to Earth for what?! Possibly third time?! I think JM is tired of the locs and wants them off.


This quote is my last straw with the changes to Ronon.

The only way I can see Jason losing his trademark locks is if he wants it, if he does, that's his choice. What makes you think he's cloning Ronon into Shep? It'll never happen, they're like chalk and cheese. Everyone irrespective or who you are or where you're from picks up mannerisms or certain words from those that they spend close quarters with, it's natural, it doesn't mean that he's being cloned though.

Alipeeps
September 11th, 2007, 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by Morjana
The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!


This quote is my last straw with the changes to Ronon.

To clarify this point - Shep tosses the car keys to Ronon and tells him to take Ava to the car (because Shep needs to talk to his brother).. it's not an indication that Ronon can, or is expected to, drive!

Xicer
September 11th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Major update from Gateworld!


John Sheppard returns home to Earth upon the news of his father's death, and brings along his friend Ronon to accompany him. They attend a wake for John's father, with whom the Colonel had a rocky relationship. There John tells his ex-wife, Nancy, that his dad had thought marrying her was one of the few things he did right. But Graham (apparently John's brother) tells him that their father regretted what had happened between them.

Sheppard and Ronon are surprised when a woman approaches them at the wake and knows much more than she should. She introduces herself as Ava Granger, a research scientist who worked for Henry Wallace -- the man who recently kidnapped Rodney McKay and his sister (Season Four's "Miller's Crossing"). Wallace's company was used by the U.S. government to develop technologies acquired off-world, including nanite technology.

The two men quietly excuse themselves and take Granger to debrief her at a quiet cafe. She explains that she and her colleague, Dr. Richard Poole, were working on a secret project code-named "Archetype," which sought to develop nanite technology and increase the nanites' level of interaction with each other. Instead of being injected into a biological organism for medical purposes, they created an artificial organism using nanites as building blocks.

Humans have engineered their very own human-form Replicator.

Ava explains that, though she trusted her superiors, she soon learned that what they were doing was not legal and not being funded by the government. The I.O.A. was investigating the research company and closing in on them fast. Dr. Poole had attempted to destroy the Replicator in the lab -- but it revolved, threw him across the room, and broke out of the high-security facility.

There is a Replicator loose on Earth. And it has been on the move for three weeks.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/09/sheppard_and_ronon_chase_an_outc.shtml

This ep sounds AWESOME!

DONNA BOOTH
September 11th, 2007, 12:50 PM
i dont know if anyone has posted this link yet its from gateworldhttp://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/09/sheppard_and_ronon_chase_an_outc.shtml

Platschu
September 11th, 2007, 01:03 PM
The story can be good or bad too. I think they will remake "Covenant", but now with a Replicator instead of an Asgard. :(

I don't like Earth-based stories. NID, Trust, Henry Wallace, Adrian Conrad, Baal, secret government projects... It is a bit similar to X-Files and an easy way to make cheap episodes. I prefer the off-world episodes. :o

Gate Geek
September 11th, 2007, 01:14 PM
For those who are willing to uber-spoil yourselves (and I'm NOT one of them, so I haven't read this), here is a detailed spoiler synopsis of "Outcast" (courtesy of morjana of SG1-Spoilergate):

This is a SG1-Spoilergate exclusive!

Ronon and Shep are on Earth this episode, to attend Shep's father's
funeral. And, Shep's ex-wife, Nancy, stops by the Sheppard home to
pay her respects to his father at his wake (with an open bar), as he
was always good to Nancy.

Shep had problems with getting his father's approval. Marrying Nancy
was "one of the few things he ever did right."

There is also a character named Ava Granger in this episode, who used
to work for Henry Wallace. (From the 4th season episode, "Miller's
Crossing.")

And Graham, Shep's brother, is also in this episode.

Another character, Richard Poole is a scientist, who worked with Ava
Granger on a project (code names Archetype) that involved ... nanite
technology. They worked at Stanton Research, a division of Devlin
Medical Technologies.

Oopps...they've invented a human form replicator!

And...the IOA is investigating...

Yikes!

The human form replicator has escaped the laboratory...and is loose
on Earth! It escaped three weeks prior to Shep and Ronon coming to
Earth.

Double Yikes!

The only thing that is more terrifying...is that Shep tosses Ronon
his car keys!

Morjana





Well, the spoiler started off as I expected and sounded interesting. Then I read "loose replicator on Earth, a possible shady company, blah blah blah".....SNORE!!!!

Yeah, just when I was beginning to get somewhat excited about this episode too.......

bluealien
September 11th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I have to say I prefer off world eps as well. I hope it doesn't lose it's scifi feel to it being based on earth. I'm a bit surprised that Shep has all this family, but has made no effort to contact them. Rocky terms with his father doesn't sound bad enough to sever all contact with him... and why not ever mention a brother before. I really thought his friendship with Rodney and even Ronan was more likening to the brother he never had.

This is why I was never fussed about backstory.. it takes all the mystery away from the man... so he came from a dysfunctional family just like a lot of others. Doesn't really explain his guarded emotions or his overwhelming loyalty to those he cares about.. though it doesn't really seem to apply to his own family which is strange, especially since he has vowed to give up his life for his new family in the PG galaxy. I hope we get to see why Shep is so estranged from his family and what caused him to sever all contact with his father and brother.

The part about the missing repilcator sounds exciting and it will be nice to get some good Shep/Ronan interaction.

s09119
September 11th, 2007, 01:26 PM
The story can be good or bad too. I think they will remake "Covenant", but now with a Replicator instead of an Asgard. :(

I don't like Earth-based stories. NID, Trust, Henry Wallace, Adrian Conrad, Baal, secret government projects... It is a bit similar to X-Files and an easy way to make cheap episodes. I prefer the off-world episodes. :o

I liked Covenant lol, but I agree on the remaking point.

However, I find Earth-based episodes interesting. They give us a look at how our world is being subtly shaped by the events offworld.

Alipeeps
September 11th, 2007, 01:32 PM
I quite like earth-based eps as a break from the norm - particularly with SGA where they are not based on earth and going on off-world missions but are permanently off-world. And I love the idea of seeing any of the Pegasus galaxy natives actually visit/experience Earth.... in 3 seasons we've still never really seen that... Teyla's experience was all a hallucination in Home and we know Ronon went back with Carson in Sunday but we never saw anything of that. It's a fascinating concept that I'd love to see explored further... the reactions of Pegasus galaxy natives to the advanced - and conflicted - society and culture that humans have created away from the influence of the Wraith.

The backstory stuff... yeah, I have a few reservations about but I honestly think that is more to do with natural resistance to change than anything... we've had three years to get to know John Sheppard as an enigma with no backstory and to a certain extent we have created our own expectations and backstory for him in our imagination and it's going to feel... odd.. to find out actual incontrivertable facts about his history and family. I do find the concept of the brother a little challenging but, if anything, that makes me all the more intruiged to know just how Sheppard ended up so ostracised from everyone that he didn't want to contact anyone in Letters from Pegasus. An estranged father is one thing but an extended "family" of father, brother and ex-wife and he had nothing to say to *any* of them?!

I'm also liking the fact that it's Ronon that Sheppard takes home with him to his father's wake (maybe because he knows Ronon will give him space and do the whole strong silent type thing/leave John to brood in peace whereas e.g. Rodney wouldn't! :lol:). I like seeing evidence of their friendship. Ronon can still be an underused character and I like the thought of seeing him interacting on a personal level with Sheppard...

And Ronon and Sheppard on a replicator hunt on Earth? Sounds interesting to me! :D

Kristen999
September 11th, 2007, 01:43 PM
I quite like earth-based eps as a break from the norm - particularly with SGA where they are not based on earth and going on off-world missions but are permanently off-world. And I love the idea of seeing any of the Pegasus galaxy natives actually visit/experience Earth.... in 3 seasons we've still never really seen that... Teyla's experience was all a hallucination in Home and we know Ronon went back with Carson in Sunday but we never saw anything of that. It's a fascinating concept that I'd love to see explored further... the reactions of Pegasus galaxy natives to the advanced - and conflicted - society and culture that humans have created away from the influence of the Wraith.

The backstory stuff... yeah, I have a few reservations about but I honestly think that is more to do with natural resistance to change than anything... we've had three years to get to know John Sheppard as an enigma with no backstory and to a certain extent we have created our own expectations and backstory for him in our imagination and it's going to feel... odd.. to find out actual incontrivertable facts about his history and family. I do find the concept of the brother a little challenging but, if anything, that makes me all the more intruiged to know just how Sheppard ended up so ostracised from everyone that he didn't want to contact anyone in Letters from Pegasus. An estranged father is one thing but an extended "family" of father, brother and ex-wife and he had nothing to say to *any* of them?!

I'm also liking the fact that it's Ronon that Sheppard takes home with him to his father's wake (maybe because he knows Ronon will give him space and do the whole strong silent type thing/leave John to brood in peace whereas e.g. Rodney wouldn't! :lol:). I like seeing evidence of their friendship. Ronon can still be an underused character and I like the thought of seeing him interacting on a personal level with Sheppard...

And Ronon and Sheppard on a replicator hunt on Earth? Sounds interesting to me! :D

You summed things up perfectly, wish such a lack of backstory before, anything plot they come up with someone's not going to be happy...we're strip a layer off of what is the mystery of Sheppard. They HAD to tie in some sci-fi thing into it, and while that aspect doesn't seem too original, it DOES seem more action aimed and for once we get to see a Ronon and John adventure which is about time I say!

The only part that stands out as you mentioned is the brother.....would never guessed he had one to begin with and hope we're given a reason why things were so bad off, that there was no reason for John to talk to any of them and that if he died off somewhere, it just seems like in his mind, Shep's family wouldn't care.

Cautious Explorer
September 11th, 2007, 02:01 PM
I've been looking forward to this episode, and I still am, but the Replicator part worries me. We already have Miller's Crossing set on Earth and involving nanites. Now Sheppard's backstory episode is also Earth-based and focused on the Replicator theme.

Why do they feel the need to tie this in with Miller's Crossing? The action even has to be initiated by someone within the same group of scientists?

I just don't understand the fascination with the Replicators. :(

prion
September 11th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Well, the spoiler started off as I expected and sounded interesting. Then I read "loose replicator on Earth, a possible shady company, blah blah blah".....SNORE!!!!

Yeah, just when I was beginning to get somewhat excited about this episode too.......

Slightly different spoilers at http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/110727.html

It has good potential if the rpelicator storyline doesn't take over. I really do hope that by the end of season 4, we never hear the word again. Let's get back to the wraith....

prion
September 11th, 2007, 02:10 PM
To clarify this point - Shep tosses the car keys to Ronon and tells him to take Ava to the car (because Shep needs to talk to his brother).. it's not an indication that Ronon can, or is expected to, drive!

spoiler response: correct
Not sure what the driving remark was about...

PatK
September 11th, 2007, 03:57 PM
This is why I was never fussed about backstory.. it takes all the mystery away from the man... so he came from a dysfunctional family just like a lot of others. Doesn't really explain his guarded emotions or his overwhelming loyalty to those he cares about.. though it doesn't really seem to apply to his own family which is strange, especially since he has vowed to give up his life for his new family in the PG galaxy. I hope we get to see why Shep is so estranged from his family and what caused him to sever all contact with his father and brother.

Actually, I almost wish we *don't* get to the the reason for this. Hey, this way I can always pretend that Sheppard was a foster child that was taken in by the Sheppard family but never felt really at home with them. Keeps the mystery. ;)

PatK

prion
September 11th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Actually, I almost wish we *don't* get to the the reason for this. Hey, this way I can always pretend that Sheppard was a foster child that was taken in by the Sheppard family but never felt really at home with them. Keeps the mystery. ;)

PatK

I don't think we're going to get everything on Sheppard. However, it would be interesting to see what drove him and his father apart, and a 10 second piece of dialogue isn't going to explain it all, so I wouldn't worry. But whatever did occur, he felt no need to contact his family while in Atlantis, so I think that the division between Shep and dad encompassed other family member(s) as well, which is known to happen.

Mitchell82
September 11th, 2007, 04:21 PM
I understand why some don't like the new spoilers but it still sounds like a great epsiode to me. As another poster said the Earth based eps are a break from the norm and one reason why I like this. It sounds very good.

Killdeer
September 11th, 2007, 04:23 PM
Hmmm. It seems like there's always an up and down with Stargate spoilers, at least for me. Get some awesome news, get some not so great news. Get some awesome spoilers....

The Adrift spoilers I've seen last night and earlier today were super exciting. This - not so much.

One - it just doesn't make sense really for Shep to have all this family, like someone said earlier. Even Rodney, with all his alleged self-centeredness, tried to make things right with his sister when he thought he was going to die. Now we find out Shep had a father, and has a brother, and he wasn't going to say a thing? That's....just bizarre. They're really going to have to do some careful writing to have that make sense.

The other thing that bugs me about this episode, and I know I'm in the minority here, is that I'm not a big fan of Shep and Ronon. I love Ronon and Rodney, and Ronon and Teyla, and Teyla and Rodney, and of course everyone knows I love Shep and Rodney, and Shep and Teyla (platonic, just for clarification). But Ronon and Shep....just doesn't do anything for me, except in the context of all the team together. I don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. Sorry. I know the Shep/Ronon scenes in Sunday were some of the less interesting for me. So that's kind of a downer. I knew Ronon was going with him, but I was hoping that he wouldn't be the only one going. And I guess they haven't sold me enough on the Ronon and Shep friendship for me to believe he would take Ronon back with him for something like this. *shrugs* It would actually be far more believable IMO for him to go back by himself.

Anyway, so there's my unpopular opinion. :D And maybe I'm just bitter because it's not Rodney. :lol: I was really hoping for some Shep and Rodney angst it's true. Shep always seems to support Rodney in his trouble (M&MM, ToR) - I was hoping for a situation where the tables would be turned. But 'tis not to be. :D

prion
September 11th, 2007, 04:25 PM
I've been looking forward to this episode, and I still am, but the Replicator part worries me. We already have Miller's Crossing set on Earth and involving nanites. Now Sheppard's backstory episode is also Earth-based and focused on the Replicator theme.

Why do they feel the need to tie this in with Miller's Crossing? The action even has to be initiated by someone within the same group of scientists?

I just don't understand the fascination with the Replicators. :(

Boys and their toys??

Mitchell82
September 11th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Hmmm. It seems like there's always an up and down with Stargate spoilers, at least for me. Get some awesome news, get some not so great news. Get some awesome spoilers....

The Adrift spoilers I've seen last night and earlier today were super exciting. This - not so much.

One - it just doesn't make sense really for Shep to have all this family, like someone said earlier. Even Rodney, with all his alleged self-centeredness, tried to make things right with his sister when he thought he was going to die. Now we find out Shep had a father, and has a brother, and he wasn't going to say a thing? That's....just bizarre. They're really going to have to do some careful writing to have that make sense.

The other thing that bugs me about this episode, and I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm not a big fan of Shep and Ronon. I love Ronon and Rodney, and Ronon and Teyla, and Teyla and Rodney, and of course everyone knows I love Shep and Rodney, and Shep and Teyla (platonic, just for clarification). But Ronon and Shep....just doesn't really do a lot for me, except in the context of all the team together. I don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. Sorry. I know the Shep/Ronon scenes in Sunday were some of the less interesting (dare I say boring?) for me. So that's kind of a downer. I knew Ronon was going with him, but I was hoping that he wouldn't be the only one going. And I guess they haven't sold me enough on the Ronon and Shep friendship for me to believe he would take Ronon back with him for something like this. *shrugs*

Anyway, so there's my unpopular opinion. :D

Hmm I see your point but it is highly possible (trust me) for a military man to be distant from his family. I love John and Ronon so I guess thats why I like these spoilers.

prion
September 11th, 2007, 04:33 PM
One - it just doesn't make sense really for Shep to have all this family, like someone said earlier. Even Rodney, with all his alleged self-centeredness, tried to make things right with his sister when he thought he was going to die. Now we find out Shep had a father, and has a brother, and he wasn't going to say a thing? That's....just bizarre. They're really going to have to do some careful writing to have that make sense.


No, not really bizarre. I mean, I have no idea if coworkers have brothers or sisters, etc. Unless it comes up in a conversation... and Sheppard is a private person. I can see him being estranged from his family due to what happened (whatever that was) between him and his father.

prion
September 11th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Hmm I see your point but it is highly possible (trust me) for a militart man to be distant from his family. I love John and Ronon so I guess thats why I like these spoilers.

Er, militart?? ;)

Mitchell82
September 11th, 2007, 04:38 PM
Er, militart?? ;)

Uh I....Uh...meant... oops.:danielanime05::replicatoranime01:

Killdeer
September 11th, 2007, 04:39 PM
No, not really bizarre. I mean, I have no idea if coworkers have brothers or sisters, etc. Unless it comes up in a conversation... and Sheppard is a private person. I can see him being estranged from his family due to what happened (whatever that was) between him and his father.

Estranged yes. That wasn't what I meant. What I meant was, even if you're estranged, wouldn't you want to try to send some sort of last message if you thought there was a good chance you were going to die? Unless it was something really really major....I guess I just have a hard time understanding that.

Killdeer
September 11th, 2007, 04:42 PM
I just don't understand the fascination with the Replicators. :(

I agree. I liked the old bug-form replicators, but I've never ever liked the human-form replicators, not in the Milky Way, and not in Pegasus (Asurans).