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Icedragon
June 21st, 2007, 10:33 PM
I have two questions on the ancients and the stargates.

1) We know that they built them, so is it likely they could activate them without the kawoosh (like the Nox, Asgard and future Earth - i read somewhere that when the ancients died out/ ascended they gave most of there tech to the asgard) so i think they could have. So if they could why don't all gates activate like that? Even if they did it after the system was built id think ones such as the one in Atlantis would.

2) What did they call them? Ive always presumed that Chappa'ai was a goa'uld name and Stargate a Tau'ri name. So am i wrong and its one of the above or did they have there own name for them?

Nylon
June 21st, 2007, 10:49 PM
I have two questions on the ancients and the stargates.

1) We know that they built them, so is it likely they could activate them without the kawoosh (like the Nox, Asgard and future Earth - i read somewhere that when the ancients died out/ ascended they gave most of there tech to the asgard) so i think they could have. So if they could why don't all gates activate like that? Even if they did it after the system was built id think ones such as the one in Atlantis would.


Not entirely sure how things carry over from sg-1 to atlantis but in atlantis 1x15 Before I Sleep when the ancients activate the stargate they still got the Kawoosh bit.

talyn2k1
June 21st, 2007, 11:44 PM
Maybe they just couldn't be bothered!

It doesn't make any great difference whether the gate has the kawoosh or not, other than activation is a little quicker, but the Ancients weren't exactly an impatient race so I don't think this would really bother them.

Also, there is no evidence that the Ancients gave their tech to Asgard and Nox, this is purely fan speculation. We know the Asgard have a copy of the Ancient Repository so it might be that they found the way to activate the gate sans kawoosh in there and then they shared that info with the Nox before the Alliance completely broke and they got all isolationist.

It is also possible that, as we have never seen the Ancients use the gate sans kawoosh, that it was not them that developed the technology, but the Asgard or the Nox who then shared the technology with each other. The Ancients may have nothing to do with it at all.

Until there is any evidence to the contrary, I would go with the latter statement that the technology isn't Ancient. This explains why they didn't implement it on the Pegasus network, and why we have never found an Ancient device that does it.

Sauron18
June 22nd, 2007, 12:00 AM
It seems only the Asgard fixed the Kawoosh thing, the Ancients probably didn't see it as a problem.

As for the name, they called them "Astria Porta".

Nylon
June 22nd, 2007, 12:22 AM
Atlantis Ancients and Asurans both just call it the stargate as we do.

.jolinar.
June 22nd, 2007, 01:58 AM
Atlantis Ancients and Asurans both just call it the stargate as we do.

They do in the shows at present because we can then understand what they mean. It's easier. But the ancient name for the stargates was 'Astria Porta'

MechaThor
June 22nd, 2007, 02:13 AM
It is also possible that, as we have never seen the Ancients use the gate sans kawoosh, that it was not them that developed the technology, but the Asgard or the Nox who then shared the technology with each other. The Ancients may have nothing to do with it at all.

Until there is any evidence to the contrary, I would go with the latter statement that the technology isn't Ancient. This explains why they didn't implement it on the Pegasus network, and why we have never found an Ancient device that does it.

I like that idea. As there has been alot of time for races that still live on after the ancients to play with the gates. Hell even the Goa'uld worked out how to active them all at once!
There4 i would agree that both the Nox and the Agard developed that technology in a post ancient universe. As not even the still active Ori seem to do it! Even on the newly built supergates.

Mister Oragahn
June 22nd, 2007, 03:01 AM
The Goa'uld even found a way to use the intergate update software's communications to use a large communication sphere placed inside a stargate to talk over vast distances, without engagin a wormhole.
Stargates seem to have a few more things to offer with a couple of tweaks.

I just hope that the writers won't rely too much on such exceptions and new functions...

Sauron18
June 22nd, 2007, 10:10 AM
The Goa'uld even found a way to use the intergate update software's communications to use a large communication sphere placed inside a stargate to talk over vast distances, without engagin a wormhole.
Stargates seem to have a few more things to offer with a couple of tweaks.

I just hope that the writers won't rely too much on such exceptions and new functions...

Well, I actually like it when things like these are used, especially by the Ori, because it just goes to show you how someone who knows how to use them well can use them in many creative ways.

chilapox3
June 22nd, 2007, 10:40 AM
How do you know the stargate had anything to do with the communications device?
I'm pretty sure they didn't mention anything about it in the show.
I think the only connection between the two was that they were in the same room.

talyn2k1
June 22nd, 2007, 11:33 AM
How do you know the stargate had anything to do with the communications device?
I'm pretty sure they didn't mention anything about it in the show.
I think the only connection between the two was that they were in the same room.

I agree. I don't think Apophis' Comm Sphere interacted with the gate at all, it just happened to be in the same room.

Its a shame we don't know how to activate all gates at once as it would give us a few more options.

1. Plan a strategic strike against all Priors and Ori forces that are on the ground. When ready to strike, activate all gates to prevent them from receiving reinforcements.
2. If its possible to not activate all gates at once but to dial selected gates from the same source gate then we could use a gate near a black hole to cut off all worlds that have fallen to the Ori from the rest of the Gate network so that the Ori could not travel to those planets by gate, thus making it more difficult to recruit soldiers from these worlds.

Does anyone have any other thoughts on how we could use multi-gate dialling against the Ori?

garhkal
June 22nd, 2007, 08:56 PM
Get a ZPM powered prior inhibitor and turn them on while radiating into the gate, so priors on the planets we are gated into cannot use their powers..

marty2006
June 23rd, 2007, 04:54 AM
Why did it float in the middle of the stargate then ??

garhkal
June 23rd, 2007, 09:13 AM
Perhaps it was made to use a stargate to give it equal anchoring on all sides..

Icedragon
June 23rd, 2007, 08:13 PM
Thanks for the thoughts, and I doubt the comm device used the gate because none of the hand held ones we see do so, id imagine they'd work the same way. Also what would happen if you stepped through the gate while it was all connected. Will you be duplicated to all gates (like the wave seemed to do), will you come out one random one, or will simply not come out? I'm guessing you wouldn't come out.

Mister Oragahn
June 24th, 2007, 06:09 AM
How do you know the stargate had anything to do with the communications device?
I'm pretty sure they didn't mention anything about it in the show.
I think the only connection between the two was that they were in the same room.

The communication sphere hovered itself to "lock" inside the stargate. Then, there, a kind of semi transparent field of energy connected to the sphere.

The stargate was used to boost the range of the communication device.

fred19
June 24th, 2007, 07:21 AM
The communication sphere hovered itself to "lock" inside the stargate. Then, there, a kind of semi transparent field of energy connected to the sphere.

The stargate was used to boost the range of the communication device.

I originally thought, too, that the sphere used the gate, and I've just watched it again and there's definately an energy field between the sphere and the gate, the sphere could be using power from the gate or could be using it to stay afloat, but I doubt it's using it for range because when they use it they are travelling in hyperspace (no fixed position), and are allongside the ship they are comunicating with. Could be though, there's probably no real answer it's just a cool affect they stuck in for season one before a lot of the rules had be establshed.

To answer the initial questions asked by the thread starter (so as not to stray off topic)

1) Though It's true that they probably would have been able to activate them eventually without whoooshing it may be that the stargates need to be built with the whooosh built in and you need to use different technology to establish a wormhole and force two ends to conect without the woooosh, since the gate system is more than just wormholes but is also a matter modem and a pone directory there's little to no point in building a new system that does the matter modeming and remembers the addresses of other gates but uses different technology to actually establish the wormholes, and they'd want to keep the system compatible with other places anyway, so why not keep with the old (well redesign them to look cooler obviously)

2) People are saying that the ancients called the gates Astria Porta and others that they called them Stargates well really they are both right because they mean the same thing just in 2 different languages.

Evil_Genius_McKay
June 24th, 2007, 08:18 AM
Chaya activates the gate and goes through it without dialing or anything but she is ascended so I wouldn't use this as a good example of how the stargate works.

Jimbo-DR
June 24th, 2007, 12:08 PM
The communication sphere hovered itself to "lock" inside the stargate. Then, there, a kind of semi transparent field of energy connected to the sphere.

The stargate was used to boost the range of the communication device.

I agree. we know that the Stargate uses subspace for what it does, and we know subspace is the preferred form of communication for most of the advanced Races in Stargate. Whats confusing is how the NID managed to use the device to communicate with their jerk friends offworld in "Shades of Grey".

Tanith
June 24th, 2007, 01:11 PM
I agree. we know that the Stargate uses subspace for what it does, and we know subspace is the preferred form of communication for most of the advanced Races in Stargate. Whats confusing is how the NID managed to use the device to communicate with their jerk friends offworld in "Shades of Grey".
I think the spheres have the capability to access subspace on their own. My guess is that Klorel stuck his giant one in the gate to show off. The Goa'uld used the gate to show off their power (even though they didn't build them) and sticking a ball in the middle of it and having Apophis's head appear would have looked magical to the Jaffa.

I doubt they needed to boost the range of it since Apophis's ship was flying behind Klorel's and we've seen the smaller ones work across large distances without a gate. I put the gate thing down to showing off.

fred19
June 24th, 2007, 01:24 PM
Yeah the comunication devices definately don't need the gate to work in later episodes, however since that was the first appearance of the spere it could be that it was intended to be the case that they used the gates subspace abbilities to comunicate and later just changed their minds, so I'd say that whatever was happening the writers'll probably say: "it was using the gates power" or "he was trying to be impressive" or something else to that affect, the truth is that the stargate rules wern't that well established back then so we just don't know.