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Suzotchka
June 20th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Let's face it, Teyla hasn't exactly played a huge role in Atlantis recently IMO she is mostly there as a guide for John's team since she is from the Pegasus Galaxy.

She's been taken over by a Wraith in The Gift and Submersion.

And now with her pregnancy in S4, I'm wondering how she's even going to be able to go on missions.

I think she coud be putting her team in jeopardy.

Please keep in mind that this is a *discussion* thread so both pro and con are welcome. But no bashing of fans, actresses or characters - okay?

So let's discuss Teyla in S4.

Arica12
June 20th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Unfortunately I think the latest 'development' will not help the character. I think it's fantastic that TPTB are supporting the actress this way however as a storyline I don't think it can work. It's been done to death in Sci-Fi - not the least in Stargate if my understanding of SG-1 Seasons 9 and 10 is correct - and frankly in every show I've ever watched it really doesn't work.

I am slightly more hopeful with regards to the early season 4 stuff regarding Teyla but in general I don't think the character has ever lived up to her early potential - or to the very talented actress playing her.

Steve_the_Wraith
June 20th, 2007, 02:34 PM
According to Joe Mallozzi, Teyla might be taking a less active role later in the season (as the actress gets closer to her due date). However I think that since 12 episodes have been filmed already Teyla won't be held back too much, especially early in the season.

The real question is will the writing be up to scratch

marty2006
June 20th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah no, not another thread about teyla.

jenks
June 20th, 2007, 03:10 PM
RL said this season has been by far her most physical, the upcoming season also seems to be a bit more character driven than previous ones, hopefully the pregnancy will help with this, because in this respect I don't think Teyla has 'earned her keep' in the series yet.








p.s I'm sure this thread is in no way a response to vaberella's comments about Weir :rolleyes:

Suzotchka
June 20th, 2007, 04:23 PM
Unfortunately I think the latest 'development' will not help the character. I think it's fantastic that TPTB are supporting the actress this way however as a storyline I don't think it can work. It's been done to death in Sci-Fi - not the least in Stargate if my understanding of SG-1 Seasons 9 and 10 is correct - and frankly in every show I've ever watched it really doesn't work.

I am slightly more hopeful with regards to the early season 4 stuff regarding Teyla but in general I don't think the character has ever lived up to her early potential - or to the very talented actress playing her.

I don't think it will help the character either. For me, Teyla has always been the weakest link. And I can't see this storyline changing that.

MrsB108
June 20th, 2007, 05:26 PM
I think Sheppard will realize how he feels too late about Teyla and Teyla hooks up with another guy oblivious to how he feels, Sheppard gets jealous and spends most of the season pining after her without anyones knowledge but the viewers, she gets pregnant, then after awhile they have her lose the baby or something and he's there to help her get through it in the end

vaberella
June 20th, 2007, 06:54 PM
Let's face it, Teyla hasn't exactly played a huge role in Atlantis recently IMO she is mostly there as a guide for John's team since she is from the Pegasus Galaxy.
She's been taken over by a Wraith in The Gift and Submersion.

And now with her pregnancy in S4, I'm wondering how she's even going to be able to go on missions.
I think she coud be putting her team in jeopardy.

Please keep in mind that this is a *discussion* thread so both pro and con are welcome. But no bashing of fans, actresses or characters - okay?

So let's discuss Teyla in S4.

Basically if you've read the interview of RL, as I'm assuming you have since in another thread you mentioned it. Then you would know they filmed most of her scenes in advance...and they'll cut it into the filming of the eps with the other characters. JM also made mention of this in his blog.

Further more, there is nothing to say that she's even going to have a kid on the show. It's just part of a story arc to fit in Ms. Luttrell's pregnancy...which we're aware of.

Comment for red...She's probably not going to put her team in jeopardy, unlike other characters, she can dial a gate and also knows how to use a P90 and stick-fighting. Plus she can if she wants kick Ronon's arse. They have already filmed the first 12 eps with Teyla in them, they just haven't done the last 8, but that doesn't mean they won't include her, considering as we go back to RL's comment they filmed her scenes early on, one after the other. Plus JM made mention to an ep they're adding to it. So there's plenty going on which will include her and probably and most likely not make her a liability.

Comment for blue...She was taken over in The Gift, because she was first introduced to having the bloody ability. Did you expect her to be able to use it on the first go?! I think that's rather unrealistic.

And if you look at The Siege III, you'd know there wouldn't be Atlantis left if Teyla didn't send the Wraith a message, which caused them to end the attack. So clearly her ability has SAVED the Atlantis Ex.

As for Submersion she's strengthened her ability from Michael and was able to defeat the Queen. I'm sure it was difficult for her, since let's again be realistic, it's not like she had live WRaith to practice on regularly. Wouldn't you say?! Again because she defeated a Queen, albeit said Queen was weakeend, she's getting stronger in her ability and tapping into it. So her ability is actually becoming more of added bonus than a problem. Remember if you go back to The Gift, it was stated quite clearly that people like her were rumored to be able to defeat the Wraith.

Give Teyla a little more practice and she'll be bloody invincible. Plus if you've read JM's blog or RL's interview, we'll learn about her ability and probably we'll get an expansion on her physiology touched on in Rising and The Gift, and probably how seh can use them. Probably meeting others of her own kind (ie, those who have the wraith gene, as mentioned in Lost Boys).

So she's going to be far from a liability and the RL's interviews and JM's blog has said as much. So I don't understand the concern here?!

For the comment in Indigo...She is a guide for Sheps Team. ie that's why she's the diplomatic voice of the Peggy on Atlantis and for Shep when he goes off world. They have touched on her other roles, the writers just have not extended on this until this season.

I'm not worried in the least, JM has mentioned this, Paul Mullie has mentioned this, Martin Gero has mentioned this, Brad Wright/Robert Cooper....this season is a focus on Teyla's arc!! Even RL has added to it. So if anything she'll be earning her keep.



Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah no, not another thread about teyla.

I know what you mean.
People, we need to learn how to use the search engine. There's always a thread like this:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=40974 :ronan:

But I'm sure if the mods don't close this thread like they did a few other, they'll merge it.


RL said this season has been by far her most physical, the upcoming season also seems to be a bit more character driven than previous ones, hopefully the pregnancy will help with this, because in this respect I don't think Teyla has 'earned her keep' in the series yet.








p.s I'm sure this thread is in no way a response to vaberella's comments about Weir :rolleyes:

You know it is...:lol: I'm that darn special. :lol:


In response to what you're saying. I agree to an extent. The writer's haven't used her to their potential. They started off alright in S1, if one watches the first season it's a dynamic use of Teyla in basically every episode, the people she knows as in The Underground and Letters from Pegasus, her ability as in The Gift and The Siege 3. So They tried, and then in S2, they dropped the ball on basically everyone and focused a great deal of time on the Wraith and Ancients...and basically the stupidity of the Atlantis ex (although it is definitely my fave season for Ford and the Wraith (<--I like those guys). Not only that in S2, there was also the fact they introduced the new character of Ronon who changes the dynamic of things considerably and they really had to build up on him, Sateda, and Runners (they really need to pick up on that (the Runners would be a great addition to the fight against the wraith and add a necessary militia within the Peggy that Weir never created)).

In S3, she was ridiculously underused for the push on Weir, as was mentioned in S2 when they were aiming to make Weir "darker", but really it pushed back everyone, well everyone except Ronon and McKay. Well that didn't pan out well throughout. So poor Teyla was thrown to the background.

I think this is a great move and there's talk of her arc moving into S5. As I've said before and what most people don't seem to realize is that there are only 2 characters, three if they bring him back. But two characters on the team who can create an unlimited storyline and really Teyla is the biggest and then we follow through with Ronon. These two characters are from the Peggy and they have connections that we have no idea about and histories we have no nothing about.

John, Weir, Beckett, McKay they are from Earth and there are so much storylines based on highjinx stupidity the Earth people get themselves into and bring in the Peggy people along for the ride.

But the real issue is the WRaith, the Ancients and their connection in the Peggy and the people affected by all this. Meaning storylines come from the Peggy people on Atlantis. We know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Teyla's past.

She is the ultimate ENIGMA, with John coming in second. We havent' met with the hundreds of planets her people have traded with. We don't know about her mother, her father (his role), if she had brothers or sisters---family who might be else where. With Charin she said in Critical Mass, TEyla said Charin was all that was left. But we don't know that for sure. We don't know how she was leader, we don't know why simple farmers know stick fighting and knife play. We dont' know if she was betrothed or married. We don't know if she had kids before or even Athosian customs and rituals.

Basically we know NOTHING. That being said, there is much that can be learned about her and hence I can see why the sudden focus on her. There are three to four stories going on here in her arc. She has a possilbe love interst who could be from her past, we have a crush, we have a pregnancy that could be related to her physiology and really we have her people gone which will connect us with a whole slew of possibly new enemies and reasons and what not.

So this arc is needed and there's plenty here. Not to mention the writers have said basically that Teyla will be used and even as she gets closer in her pregnancy it doesn't seem that's deterred some of the writing, since they pre-filmed all the physical scenes which we'll see and also her majorly emotional scenes and I'm sure she'll be in quite a bit of S4 second half...I believe there is only 8 eps to film, so not much more to go. So I think she'll eventually earn her keep.

Basically her presence and Ronon's presence is enough to keep around if only for future storyline. Oh and that third person I was speaking of was Ford, because now he has a history that could endanger or help the Atlantis Ex.

Good stuff!



I don't think it will help the character either. For me, Teyla has always been the weakest link. And I can't see this storyline changing that.

Not to be funny in respect to the recent changes...I'm sure the writers felt they got rid of the weakest links. That being said, I'll miss you Carson. RIP :(

Suzotchka
June 20th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Basically if you've read the interview of RL, as I'm assuming you have since in another thread you mentioned it. Then you would know they filmed most of her scenes in advance...and they'll cut it into the filming of the eps with the other characters. JM also made mention of this in his blog.

Further more, there is nothing to say that she's even going to have a kid on the show. It's just part of a story arc to fit in Ms. Luttrell's pregnancy...which we're aware of.

Yes, I did read the article as you well know. And I do know that she filmed most of her episodes in advance. What I'm trying to say is that if she (Teyla) knows she is pregnant and is going on missions, whether they are dangerous or not and whether she means it or not, she may, inadvertantly, put her team at risk. Would she try to stay out of the line of fire? Would she be more aware of her surroundings so she wouldn't fall and injure herself or the child? Would she be too careful on missions? That's sort of what I'm trying to say.



She's probably not going to put her team in jeopardy, unlike other characters, she can dial a gate and also knows how to use a P90 and stick-fighting. Plus she can if she wants kick Ronon's arse. They have already filmed the first 12 eps with Teyla in them, they just haven't done the last 8, but that doesn't mean they won't include her, considering as we go back to RL's comment they filmed her scenes early on, one after the other. Plus JM made mention to an ep they're adding to it. So there's plenty going on which will include her and probably and most likely not make her a liability.

I'm not saying they won't include her. It all depends on how they use the pregnancy in the story line and how far along she is.


She was taken over in The Gift, because she was first introduced to having the bloody ability. Did you expect her to be able to use it on the first go?! I think that's rather unrealistic.

And if you look at The Siege III, you'd know there wouldn't be Atlantis left if Teyla didn't send the Wraith a message, which caused them to end the attack. So clearly her ability has SAVED the Atlantis Ex.


As for Submersion she's strengthened her ability from Michael and was able to defeat the Queen. I'm sure it was difficult for her, since let's again be realistic, it's not like she had live WRaith to practice on regularly. Wouldn't you say?! Again because she defeated a Queen, albeit said Queen was weakeend, she's getting stronger in her ability and tapping into it. So her ability is actually becoming more of added bonus than a problem. Remember if you go back to The Gift, it was stated quite clearly that people like her were rumored to be able to defeat the Wraith.

The fact that she is able to communicate with the Wraith and possibly be taken over by one *is* a liability. I never said she had to learn how to control it right away. If her ability was discovered in S1, I would expect her to have better control of it by now. Let's hope that's the case.


I'm not worried in the least, JM has mentioned this, Paul Mullie has mentioned this, Martin Gero has mentioned this, Brad Wright/Robert Cooper....this season is a focus on Teyla's arc!! Even RL has added to it. So if anything she'll be earning her keep.

Finally she'll be earning her keep. It took Weir to be recurring and for Carter to come over for Teyla to get a story. She's really had nothing to do for the last 2 seasons. So I guess we'll see how her arc plays out. But lets face it, Teyla and her development has fallen short.


I know what you mean. People, we need to learn how to use the search engine.[/COLOR] There's always a thread like this:
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=40974 :ronan:
But I'm sure if the mods don't close this thread like they did a few other, they'll merge it.[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]

Actually, I can read, unlike some other fans. If the mods want to merge it then they will, I'll just continue the discussion elsewhere. But this is not a case of "There had better be more Teyla episodes". I'd be happy with *less* episodes. But I'd be happy to start a "There had better be less Teyla episodes" thread if you'd like???


I think this is a great move and there's talk of her arc moving into S5. As I've said before and what most people don't seem to realize is that there are only 2 characters, three if they bring him back. But two characters on the team who can create an unlimited storyline and really Teyla is the biggest and then we follow through with Ronon. These two characters are from the Peggy and they have connections that we have no idea about and histories we have no nothing about.

Ronon I agree with you about. I don't think that Teyla has anymore connections she could really use. We're going into season 4. The Athosians didn't have any advanced technology so how could they really lead us to any? Trading for food sources, yes. But I would think that all of that would have been explored back in the early seasons.


She is the ultimate ENIGMA, with John coming in second. We havent' met with the hundreds of planets her people have traded with. We don't know about her mother, her father (his role), if she had brothers or sisters---family who might be else where. With Charin she said in Critical Mass, TEyla said Charin was all that was left. But we don't know that for sure. We don't know how she was leader, we don't know why simple farmers know stick fighting and knife play. We dont' know if she was betrothed or married. We don't know if she had kids before or even Athosian customs and rituals.

Basically we know NOTHING. That being said, there is much that can be learned about her and hence I can see why the sudden focus on her. There are three to four stories going on here in her arc. She has a possilbe love interst who could be from her past, we have a crush, we have a pregnancy that could be related to her physiology and really we have her people gone which will connect us with a whole slew of possibly new enemies and reasons and what not.

So this arc is needed and there's plenty here. Not to mention the writers have said basically that Teyla will be used and even as she gets closer in her pregnancy it doesn't seem that's deterred some of the writing, since they pre-filmed all the physical scenes which we'll see and also her majorly emotional scenes and I'm sure she'll be in quite a bit of S4 second half...I believe there is only 8 eps to film, so not much more to go. So I think she'll eventually earn her keep.

Well I agree that she needed to be developed. It would've been interesting to see just where they would've taken Teyla if the pregnancy issue hadn't cropped up.

vaberella
June 20th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Yes, I did read the article as you well know. And I do know that she filmed most of her episodes in advance. What I'm trying to say is that if she (Teyla) knows she is pregnant and is going on missions, whether they are dangerous or not and whether she means it or not, she may, inadvertantly, put her team at risk. Would she try to stay out of the line of fire? Would she be more aware of her surroundings so she wouldn't fall and injure herself or the child? Would she be too careful on missions? That's sort of what I'm trying to say.

She seems very proactive to me. We'll have to wait and see on that. I'm sure John and Carter wouldn't put Teyla on a mission if they thought she was a liability. Sure she could keep it a secret, but then Teyla would be willing to put the parasite at risk, more so than a team member. That being said, she wouldn't want the parasite---which I find unlikely.



I'm not saying they won't include her. It all depends on how they use the pregnancy in the story line and how far along she is.

From what I can see she's aware of her pregnancy in The Seer, it takes a normal human birth around 9 months right? Teyla would be flat, since RL would ahve filmed her scenes earlier on and later added. That being said, for the first hmmm....12 or 13 eps maybe longer, she won't be showing so her pregnancy won't be liability. Or they could get rid of it in Be All My Sins Remember'd.


The fact that she is able to communicate with the Wraith and possibly be taken over by one *is* a liability. I never said she had to learn how to control it right away. If her ability was discovered in S1, I would expect her to have better control of it by now. Let's hope that's the case.

To the comment in red...Okay you've got to be kidding me. You said you "never said she had to learn how to control it right away" but she should have better control of it by now, right? I have to ask you, do the Atlantis Ex have a pet Wraith in hiding that Teyla can do mental sparring with? Because otherwise, I don't expect her to have better control. In the past 3 seasons she's used her mental ability against a wraith about 5 times, and 2 of them without mental battle.

The Gift, The Siege III, Instinct, Michael, and Submersion. Definitely not enough practice to have better control of it by now. Especially considering we and she doesn't know the extent of it. It's not like she was given a manual. This actually opens the door for the writers to bring an experienced person with Teyla's ability to train her if possible...that would be a great added dynamic to her arc.


Finally she'll be earning her keep. It took Weir to be recurring and for Carter to come over for Teyla to get a story. She's really had nothing to do for the last 2 seasons. So I guess we'll see how her arc plays out.
Actually it took the writers getting rid of what they felt was dead weight and taking the show to another avenue with the changes and the change in showrunners for Teyla to get an arc.


Actually, I can read, unlike some other fans. If the mods want to merge it then they will, I'll just continue the discussion elsewhere. But this is not a case of "There had better be more Teyla episodes". I'd be happy with *less* episodes. But I'd be happy to start a "There had better be less Teyla episodes" thread if you'd like???
Actually if you read the direction of the thread it is of the same elk. Teyla's arc, her episodes and direction, and what people hope for and what some people have disliked. Hence the reason.

Sure you can start that thread, what ever floats your boat.




Ronon I agree with you about. I don't think that Teyla has anymore connections she could really use. We're going into season 4. The Athosians didn't have any advanced technology so how could they really lead us to any? Trading for food sources, yes. But I would think that all of that would have been explored back in the early seasons.

To the comment in red...How do you know? We don't really know anything about Teyla. What do you know of her? Besides her wraith ability, she's leader of the Athosian, and what you basically learned in S1. She's basically an empty canvas. Saying what you just said, can also be wholeheartedly applied to Shep.

To the comment in blue...That's technically incorrect. The Wraith destroyed all nations that posed a threat and had advancement, if you look at Rising, the ruined buildings looked similar to a sister ship to me. And you saw she mastered the art of fire. At one point the Athosians were fairly advanced, and we have no idea what secret they may hold. Again keep in mind that Paul Mullie said there maybe a soft reset. But agin from S1, they left plenty open to be interpreted and built on in regards to Teyla and the Athosians. We again have little to nothing on Teyla.

To the comment in Indigo...They could have explored that in S1, but again they were introducing all the characters and trying to develop around 7 cast members, a few enemies like Kolya and of course the Wraith, and introducing the people to the dangers and exploration of the City. When do you think they'd have time to address all things related to the Athosians? or even Teyla?! They haven't even addressed everything to John yet. We know nothing on John.


Well I agree that she needed to be developed. It would've been interesting to see just where they would've taken Teyla if the pregnancy issue hadn't cropped up.

Sure thing, but we won't since again the actresses personal life had to deter that. We go with what they could work with.

Celcool
June 20th, 2007, 11:42 PM
Totally agree about the reasons the show jumping the shark. :)



Teyla pregnant (I mean really... please.. what's she going to be doing? Taking the sprog on missions? Leaving it for Zelenka to babysit??)

And we know how much Zelenka loves the kids. LOL

I don't really have that much to say about Teyla, the character never seemed important to me, hasn't impressed me in any way, she's just... there...and that's all there is from her, apart from the occasional fight scenes. It's like she's in the show but I don't notice her much. It's the writers, I know. The actress does the best of what she can do. I won't say that I hate her because I don't really, she's too bland for me to have any strong feelings about her.

And now to finally give her a real story and it involves pregnancy, bad luck for the character. But happiness for the actress of course. :)

vaberella
June 21st, 2007, 12:41 AM
How is her pregnancy bad luck? I mean you have no clue in which direction the writers are taking her and how it's done. I personally have no problems with the pregnancy. I want to see the actress emotionally driven, I want to see her action driven, I want to see her physically driven, I want to see her mentally driven and so far nothing the writers have said is leading me to believe they won't be doing that. She's getting an entire seasonal arc. That's a serious move and we'll have to see how that goes.

A story is only really as good as it's executed. I've seen similar stories on similar places, some fall short, other's aren't so bad. Other's have been done very well. Plus, from what I can gather her pregnancy does not dominate the form of the character or her presence on the show.

At this moment I'm getting the feeling that many of you just want to harp on it. Like, she gets a love interest (oh she's defined by a man rather than on her own)---Weir got a love interest for a day. When Weir got one, she wasn't defined by a man. Oh, Teyla has a kid, she must have been sleeping with someone...the writers haven't even defined if the baby is human or if it's some sort of entity. Really what is so inherently wrong if the character is pregnant if no one knows where the writers are taking the story?

I think people are whinging, and really it's by majority of the same anti's from the anti thread in this section. So I guess no matter what's done, without even seeing the episode/s, you're willing to condemn it. Whenever I do my complaints on Weir it's on episodes past----not on those not even aired or on rumors that have been yet to be confirmed by the showrunner (this in regards to possible love interest).

We know absolutely nothing really on Teyla to build a idea on her. I think the character has a lot of potential and hence the reason I actually like her, based on the fact that I know she opens doors to some interesting stories. Sure some of what I've heard has given me room for doubt or pause, but again I'm not about to knock anything until I really see it in action.

Unlike some of the other characters they've given the forefront too who just bore the daylights out of an ep. Teyla is a character so underused, you can't really be bored, since besides in S1 and maybe Submersion (which got decent ratings), we haven't seen her really getting out there.

Anyway the writers are doing what they can under the circumstances and the fact there is such mystery around her role in S4, because if you sit there and think about it, no one knows a damn thing about what's going on with Teyla in S4, but she's getting seasonal arc. All you know is Athosians are missing, wraith ability tested (using warrior skills), a crush, a pregnancy, and a possible love interest. <-----Besides these 5 things no one knows a darned thing to even elaborate on what to expect on Teyla.

Her character is the mystery of S4, and it might lead into a continued extention into S5. I'm guessing, the writers are banking on her past and self to bring in a lot of storylines which make sense. Between Ronon and Teyla---they could bring in storylines and highjinxes for several seasons to come.

DONNA BOOTH
June 21st, 2007, 04:25 AM
i don't think its a bad idea about another thread about Teyla it might just get her some more fans and if you notice it says her role in season 4 and this is the season 4 thread:sheppard::teyla:

Skydiver
June 21st, 2007, 04:44 AM
ok guys, this is a DISCUSSSION thread.

which means that all points of view are welcome.

which also means...in the spirit of discussion, is it really wise to be making derogatory and inflammatory comments that you yourself wouldn't tolerate about your favorite character???

How about a little adult behavior, adult sensibilities and consideration for others??

Unless of course you're just in the mood to have this thread descend into a slanging match, further proving the opinoin many fans have of atlantis fans and giving us a really good and easy excuse to shut down this thread since i really don't see ANYTHING in there that hasn't already been 'discussed' in numerous other threads

Celcool
June 21st, 2007, 08:32 AM
How is her pregnancy bad luck? I mean you have no clue in which direction the writers are taking her and how it's done. I personally have no problems with the pregnancy.
Good for you. I wouldn't wish my favorite character such a development on a scifi show with the genius writers like you know who.


Teyla is a character so underused, you can't really be bored, since besides in S1 and maybe Submersion (which got decent ratings), we haven't seen her really getting out there.
That's why you get bored (if you actually pay attention to the character) because she's not doing anything.

Southern Red
June 21st, 2007, 09:11 AM
Good for you. I wouldn't wish my favorite character such a development on a scifi show with the genius writers like you know who.


That's why you get bored (if you actually pay attention to the character) because she's not doing anything.

Or you get bored because she keeps doing the same things over and over, which you could also say about Weir. So, in the long run, it's the fault of the writers for not making both of them more interesting. It sounds like they were intending to try and do that with Teyla in S4, but the pregnancy of RL caused them to change their minds. Now we end up with yet another lame SciFi cliche. I would rather they have concealed the pregnancy and kept to their original plans.

vaberella
June 21st, 2007, 11:21 AM
Good for you. I wouldn't wish my favorite character such a development on a scifi show with the genius writers like you know who.
Well, we know you have nothing to worry about there.

Again, I have nothing against how a story is executed BEFORE I see the ep, thank you very much. I'm not about to pass negative judgement and see "DOOM" in the horizon. I respect the decisions of the writers and really I'm waiting for a bloody fantastic time.

But you're a regular poster on the anti-thread right? You wouldn't like anywhere it's going anyway, right? So my point is moot to you. ~shrugs~


That's why you get bored (if you actually pay attention to the character) because she's not doing anything.
That's basically untrue. When I said the character hasn't been given a chance to really get out there, doesn't mean the moments SHE has had on screen hasn't been important. Basically I said that in S1, it was a Teyla arc, stories were pretty much built around the character and her relations within the PG and then our people's responses to those relations. Looking from that perspective, apparently for many that was the "SGA they remember" :rolleyes:; but also what's interesting it was considered the best season SGA ever had.

S2, which I really bloody well liked, wasn't very much liked. I don't knock people for that, it was geared more so toward Wraith lovers and what not. In any event, even in S2 there were things the writers tapped into but never fulfilled, such as these connections Teyla had on offworld planets searching for Ford. Why was Teyla given leadership when Weir and all the other head leaders were away, which was seen in Intruder and No Man's Land? To really what extent is Teyla able to sense other non-wraith entities--ie Epiphany? <---Something of which I'd like to learn more about.

But I guess if one doesn't pay much attention to the character, one won't see these aspects of the characer. Can Wraith's sense other Wraith non-entities? If she can they must?! Aspects of her physiology as mentioned and portrayed in Rising or even in Suspicion. What about her past people? Where are they? How did she become leader?

I mean I already put this out there. The writers, although they haven't followed through, have laid the groundwork to get the people interested in what Teyla "could" do...some people either want to see it, and some people don't. There's nothing else to say there.

Cautious Explorer
June 21st, 2007, 04:13 PM
Yes, I did read the article as you well know. And I do know that she filmed most of her episodes in advance. What I'm trying to say is that if she (Teyla) knows she is pregnant and is going on missions, whether they are dangerous or not and whether she means it or not, she may, inadvertantly, put her team at risk. Would she try to stay out of the line of fire? Would she be more aware of her surroundings so she wouldn't fall and injure herself or the child? Would she be too careful on missions? That's sort of what I'm trying to say.

There's always that possibility, but I think Teyla has been presented as a very responsible person. I think she would be aware and know when it was time to call it quits and pull herself off the team. From what we've seen of Athosian society, moving around to avoid the Wraith, a subsistence livelihood, I think they would have very firm ideas on what a pregnant woman was and wasn't capable of. They're survival might depend on it.



The fact that she is able to communicate with the Wraith and possibly be taken over by one *is* a liability. I never said she had to learn how to control it right away. If her ability was discovered in S1, I would expect her to have better control of it by now. Let's hope that's the case.

Mostly she uses her ability to warn her team of a Wraith presence. That's hardly a liability.



Finally she'll be earning her keep. It took Weir to be recurring and for Carter to come over for Teyla to get a story. She's really had nothing to do for the last 2 seasons. So I guess we'll see how her arc plays out. But lets face it, Teyla and her development has fallen short.

Weir's cut to recurring coincides with Teyla getting a story arc in season 4, but I wouldn't say that was the cause of it. And it's about time Teyla got more screen time. I've always liked the character. I don't think her benefit is based on Weir's loss.

And what does that say about viewers that we have to blame Carter because Weir is recurring, failing that we'll blame Teyla. There are a few male characters that take up screen time. Is anyone bitter about that?


Well I agree that she needed to be developed. It would've been interesting to see just where they would've taken Teyla if the pregnancy issue hadn't cropped up.

I totally agree with you here. I was very disappointed when I heard of the pregnancy arc. Real life has a way of interfering, and I guess they felt there was no way to work around it.


If people have to write ESSAYS to defend a character being there, there's something wrong.Either the character isn't that great and desperately NEEDS defending, or the person has too much time on their hands.

Personally, to me, Teyla is the weakest link. She's been (in my opinion) background noise at best. That's not to insult Rachel. She's just been given nothing exciting to do most of the time.

I feel the same about Ronon. Boring.

On another note, all this talk we had early on about how fabulous S4 was going to be, and how they had a specific direction they were taking it in, etc. Obviously there was no room in their oh so specific plans for Beckett and Weir. However, Rachel tells them she's pregnant, and instead of continuing with their oh so important plans and shooting around it, they make Teyla pregnant? If the show jumps the shark (and I think it might just be doing that) it'll be down to four things IMO:

Beckett gone
Weir gone
Teyla pregnant (I mean really... please.. what's she going to be doing? Taking the sprog on missions? Leaving it for Zelenka to babysit??)
Carter coming in.

I would have left Teyla out of my reasons season 4 was going to suck if they hadn't gone along with this pregnancy storyline.

There's probably something wrong if you need an essays to say why they shouldn't be there too. Too much time on your hands? :)


Or you get bored because she keeps doing the same things over and over, which you could also say about Weir. So, in the long run, it's the fault of the writers for not making both of them more interesting. It sounds like they were intending to try and do that with Teyla in S4, but the pregnancy of RL caused them to change their minds. Now we end up with yet another lame SciFi cliche. I would rather they have concealed the pregnancy and kept to their original plans.

You're so right.

Celcool
June 21st, 2007, 10:44 PM
Or you get bored because she keeps doing the same things over and over, which you could also say about Weir.
I didn't see it that way, that wasn't the reason I got bored and btw. this isn't a discussion thread for Weir.


Well, we know you have nothing to worry about there.
Yes and I'm happy about that, I still prefer anything else no matter how it ends than being pregnant.


But you're a regular poster on the anti-thread right? You wouldn't like anywhere it's going anyway, right? So my point is moot to you. ~shrugs~
Always.


Basically I said that in S1, it was a Teyla arc, stories were pretty much built around the character and her relations within the PG and then our people's responses to those relations.
Maybe because back then she was the only native alien and they needed a guide but that's not the case anymore, S1 is long time ago. After that I didn't notice her much, not talking much anyway.


But I guess if one doesn't pay much attention to the character, one won't see these aspects of the characer.
Not that I don't pay attention, I do when they actually give her something to do, that's actually it, they didn't do that.

Good luck with finding out more about all the fascinating things Teyla could be according to you because according to the spoilers I've read, the characters most mentioned are Carter, Mckay and John. Teyla and Ronon are still in the background, each will get their centric episodes, yes, but how much they'll be part of all the other plots is another story. Teyla is hardly mentioned in the plot summaries.

DONNA BOOTH
June 22nd, 2007, 01:18 AM
how can Teyla be in the background when she has got an whole season arc:sheppard::teyla:

jenks
June 22nd, 2007, 09:55 AM
The characters I seem to be hearing most about are Carter and Teyla, and to a lesser extent Keller.

GhostPoet
June 22nd, 2007, 10:52 AM
Teyla is an interesting character to me in that the writers really haven't done a whole lot with her...and yet I still like her.

I just wish they would really build the character more...

DONNA BOOTH
June 22nd, 2007, 12:21 PM
so do i:sheppard::teyla:

MacgyverFan
July 11th, 2007, 07:01 PM
In the article on the main Gateworld.net page, "Carter will have her hands full" it says Rachel Luttrell's real life pregnancy is being written into the show as Teyla's pregnancy.

I think that's a great story arc to introduce because it's something you'd never expect from Teyla. The big question on my mind: Who is the lucky guy? WHO IS THE FATHER OF TEYLA'S BABY?

Sheppard is too easy, although it would make for a great storyline IMO. It would be kind of the opposite of the Sam/Jack storyline because instead of dancing around their romantic relationship like Sam and Jack, Teyla and Sheppard just went for it. Might be kind of fun.

Ronon would be a fun storyline because he's not the sensitive type and probably wouldn't be good with a baby.

Rodney would be an awesome choice because of how hilarious it would be. The only way Teyla would sleep with Rodney is if........I don't actually don't know in what situation that would happen.

It could be the reason Carson Beckett is coming back. Kind of flashback sequence where Teyla realizes when and how it happened.

Could be when Wraith Michael captured her, he impregnated her with a Wraith/Iratus monster embryo. That would make a weird storyline.

I really don't want it to be some random Athosian that we have yet to meet. That would downplay the whole thing IMO.

I don't know, who do you all think it is?

Nikki
July 11th, 2007, 07:27 PM
This should be in the Atlantis section of the forum and I think your title is kind of a major spoiler it self. As for the father of Teyla's baby, I'm hoping it's Ronan. They've had chemistry since day one and so belong together, esp after all the development in season 3. Shep belongs to Weir. :) I'd be nice to have a nice normal baby in Stargate for once, with a nice normal couple. :ronan::teyla:

Sha're's baby - Harsesus
Vala's baby - Adria (leader of Ori army)
Teyla's baby - here's hoping for normal with Ronan as the father.

I know, probably never going to happen. It's probably some mutant creature or something. How could anything be that normal and easy in the gate world? :rolleyes:

MacgyverFan
July 11th, 2007, 07:54 PM
I didn't mean for the title to be a big spoiler, I just figured most already knew this was going to happen since it's on the main Gateworld page and on wikipedia.

I'm new so I don't know what qualifies as General Stargate Discussion or Atlantis Discussion. I just figured it was all the same.

Ruffles
July 11th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Welcome to the forum. For future reference, there is a search feature you can use. There are already at least 2 threads in the Atlantis Season 4 section on this topic.

Daniel Jackson
July 11th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Ya know... Teyla having a baby is a spoiler. Could ya change the thread title? Thanks.

rlr149
July 11th, 2007, 08:18 PM
1 name = Lucius Lavin

Starxgate
July 11th, 2007, 09:12 PM
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Locutus_Of_Borg
July 11th, 2007, 11:02 PM
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I'm hoping it is Shep, but I have this feeling it's going to be some weird...type of baby that isn't actually hers (possibly similar to Vala)...but who knows, I really hope it's Shep that sly dog :P

jenks
July 12th, 2007, 04:18 AM
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Killdeer
July 12th, 2007, 04:25 AM
I think the father of the baby is

the love interest that RL talked about in the SciFi Wire interview.

Atlantis embraces Luttrell's Pregnancy (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=41951&type=0)

To me, it makes no sense that they would introduce a pregnancy and a love interest in the same season without them being connected. If they did, that would give Teyla a 3rd arc for Season 4, the first two being her pregnancy and her missing people. I know she's been underdeveloped but I don't think they'll go so far as to give her three completely separate arcs.

I think they'll establish this guy's existance pretty early in Season 4, but he won't actually appear onscreen until the later part of the season, since RL said the part hadn't been cast yet.

maxbo
July 13th, 2007, 05:54 AM
I see the missing Athosians, the love interest and the pregnancy storylines more as layers of Teyla's life rather than as separate, all encompassing arcs. So, if TPTB handles this well (*crosses fingers*), then Season 4 could be a good Teyla season without it appearing to be all about Teyla.

FoolishPleasure
July 13th, 2007, 07:10 AM
I feel the whole Athosian culture should have been explored back in season 1, which would have done wonders to establish Teyla as a leader. At least TPTB are talking about doing it, even though it may be too late to generate a lot of interest.

I don't think the pregnancy thing will cover many episodes, especially when Rachel says they have filmed fight scenes out of sequence, which means Teyla will be back to normal later in the season. I'm pretty sure I read something on JM's blog that said none of the regs were involved in the pregnancy (but I can't swear to that - it may have been wishful thinking). Its probably of alien origin and will disappear like Sha're's harcisis child on SG1. If the Ancients swoop in to take it for protection, I'm gonna start screaming about stealing SG1 eppys again. ;)

ToasterOnFire
July 13th, 2007, 08:26 AM
I feel the whole Athosian culture should have been explored back in season 1, which would have done wonders to establish Teyla as a leader. At least TPTB are talking about doing it, even though it may be too late to generate a lot of interest.
Agreed. TPTB either has little interest in exploring the Athosians or can't figure out how to write them in, outside of the occasional "Oh noes, impending doom - we must save the Athosians!!" scenario. And Teyla, who is the leader of the Athosians, is diminished because of it. They could have developed her by developing the Athosian culture or put in a major storyline for her about being torn between her Athosian leadership and Atlantis, the Ancients, and the Earther team. As it stands, we have no idea about the hierarchy with Athosian leadership - is there anyone on the Athosian settlement who is acting as leader there? Were they appointed by Teyla or appointed by the Athosians? Are there Athosians who are upset that Teyla is with the Atlantis team instead of being with her people? So many missed opportunities...

Teyla's pregnancy storyline is one of my major worries for s4. :mckay:

the dancer of spaz
July 13th, 2007, 08:37 AM
Oh boy... :S I don't think this thread has a very long future ahead of it, but I'll bite (or ramble).

I don't think the writers needed a pregnancy to develop Teyla further. They already said that they were in the middle of taking her in another direction when RL found out she was pregnant. However, because of real life situations and them writing the pregnancy in, I do think we'll see another side of Teyla that gives her more depth.

The writers (hopefully) won't take anymore cliched routes with this storyline. Hopefully Teyla has the kid with another Athosian - an old flame, perhaps - who is abducted in "Missing" with the others.

However, because they'll essentially be bringing this character out of nowhere, I hope they don't make it like some cheap, lame one-night stand where Teyla never sees the guy again because he's a moron. That would be too much.

I hope to see more development between Teyla and Rodney... Just because Rachel Luttrell and David Hewlett seem like such good friends, and I'd like to see that play out in their characters. I'd also like to see some Teyla/Zelenka moments, and I wouldn't be wholly opposed to Teyla/Keller.

I know RL and AT are friends in real life, but I'd actually like to see some trepidation on Teyla's part when it comes to Carter coming in and taking over. I hope Ronon is skeptical, and I think Teyla should be as well, because she was just starting to get close to Liz.

Most of all, I think this would be a good time to get away from any "shippy" stuff. I know that's like heresy in some parts, but I'd much rather see Teyla get away from potential shippy moments with Ronon and Sheppard, and develop a very clear, very obvious platonic relationship with them. We don't need her kid calling either one of them "Dad" in a couple years, or anything. :S

maxbo
July 13th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Yep, TPTB should have explored the Athosians more in Season 1, and also in Seasons 2 and 3, however, that didn't happen because like too many of their ideas, they didn't have any plans for the Athosians beyond using them to move the plots along. And, I suspect that we won't see much of the Athosians in an episode entitled Missing, so TPTB's track record of using them as plot devices will likely remain unbroken.

Although I understand, and appreciate, that the pregnancy storyline arose due to real life circumstances, I remain concerned about how this storyline will play out. Whatever happens, I don't want to see a baby on board for the long-term and at this point, I'm hoping for some good Teyla moments even if I'm disappointed in the overall storyline.

As for ship, I would be surprised if TPTB tried to overtly tie ship to this storyline because JM had already said that because they didn't want two main characters to be involved with a pregnancy storyline, Rodney's pregnancy storyline (with Katie Brown?) was scraped.

the dancer of spaz
July 13th, 2007, 09:46 AM
I was actually shocked to hear that they were going to make a pregnancy storyline for Rodney and Katie. :S I would think that they avoid pregnancies if they can help it.

maxbo
July 13th, 2007, 09:50 AM
I was actually shocked to hear that they were going to make a pregnancy storyline for Rodney and Katie. :S I would think that they avoid pregnancies if they can help it.

I know, that's a scary thought, isn't it? Why would they plan for a pregnancy storyline? Perhaps it was only planned to be a pregnancy scare (rather than an actual pregnancy) and just last one episode - as the B storyline, but still... :S

the dancer of spaz
July 13th, 2007, 09:57 AM
I know, that's a scary thought, isn't it? Why would they plan for a pregnancy storyline? Perhaps it was only planned to be a pregnancy scare (rather than an actual pregnancy) and just last one episode - as the B storyline, but still... :S

Yeah... Even as a one-episode scare as a B-plot, I would've been cringing.

Celcool
July 13th, 2007, 09:59 AM
I was actually shocked to hear that they were going to make a pregnancy storyline for Rodney and Katie. :S I would think that they avoid pregnancies if they can help it.
I would think so too, it's a scifi show not a soap. I can't imagine watching the show and hearing a crying baby. :S So knowing they wanted to go that road before, that argument of theirs, that this would happen on the show only because of the real life pregnany of an actress, doesn't exactly hold water.

Killdeer
July 13th, 2007, 11:46 AM
I see the missing Athosians, the love interest and the pregnancy storylines more as layers of Teyla's life rather than as separate, all encompassing arcs. So, if TPTB handles this well (*crosses fingers*), then Season 4 could be a good Teyla season without it appearing to be all about Teyla.

That's probably a better way to put it - you're right. And I hope it really doesn't become all about Teyla. I like Teyla right now, and I hope they don't ruin the character for me. I still think, though, that they wouldn't go to the trouble of introducing a love interest with everything else Teyla's got going this season unless he was tied to the pregnancy somehow. I could be wrong. :D


Agreed. TPTB either has little interest in exploring the Athosians or can't figure out how to write them in, outside of the occasional "Oh noes, impending doom - we must save the Athosians!!" scenario. And Teyla, who is the leader of the Athosians, is diminished because of it. They could have developed her by developing the Athosian culture or put in a major storyline for her about being torn between her Athosian leadership and Atlantis, the Ancients, and the Earther team. As it stands, we have no idea about the hierarchy with Athosian leadership - is there anyone on the Athosian settlement who is acting as leader there? Were they appointed by Teyla or appointed by the Athosians? Are there Athosians who are upset that Teyla is with the Atlantis team instead of being with her people? So many missed opportunities...

I agree. All of these would have been great ideas. Just as comparison, we knew quite a bit more about Jaffa culture by S4 of SG-1. That's to be expected I suppose, since they were directly tied in with the enemy that the SGC was fighting, but.....


Teyla's pregnancy storyline is one of my major worries for s4. :mckay:

Mine as well. I was looking forward to an arc emphasizing her role as leader and warrior. The pregnancy storyline was a huge disappointment, although I understand them trying to accomodate RL's pregnancy. Hopefully we'll still get to see a stronger side of her.


I don't think the writers needed a pregnancy to develop Teyla further. They already said that they were in the middle of taking her in another direction when RL found out she was pregnant. However, because of real life situations and them writing the pregnancy in, I do think we'll see another side of Teyla that gives her more depth.

The writers (hopefully) won't take anymore cliched routes with this storyline. Hopefully Teyla has the kid with another Athosian - an old flame, perhaps - who is abducted in "Missing" with the others.

However, because they'll essentially be bringing this character out of nowhere, I hope they don't make it like some cheap, lame one-night stand where Teyla never sees the guy again because he's a moron. That would be too much.

I agree.


I hope to see more development between Teyla and Rodney... Just because Rachel Luttrell and David Hewlett seem like such good friends, and I'd like to see that play out in their characters. I'd also like to see some Teyla/Zelenka moments, and I wouldn't be wholly opposed to Teyla/Keller.

I know RL and AT are friends in real life, but I'd actually like to see some trepidation on Teyla's part when it comes to Carter coming in and taking over. I hope Ronon is skeptical, and I think Teyla should be as well, because she was just starting to get close to Liz.

More Teyla/Rodney friendship moments would be wonderful. I think we'll get Teyla/Keller. Spoilers make it sound as if they go off world together looking for the Athosians in Missing. Teyla/Zelenka - never thought about that, but I'm sure it would be good.

Teyla/Carter - I completely agree with you on. I don't know how much we'll even see them together though. It sounded like the writers were going the route of having Keller be Carter's friend. Teyla wasn't mentioned (that I've seen). Although that doesn't rule anything out I suppose.


Most of all, I think this would be a good time to get away from any "shippy" stuff. I know that's like heresy in some parts, but I'd much rather see Teyla get away from potential shippy moments with Ronon and Sheppard, and develop a very clear, very obvious platonic relationship with them. We don't need her kid calling either one of them "Dad" in a couple years, or anything. :S

It's not heresy to me! :D I completely agree!

starfox
July 26th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Anyone else assuming that Teyla's not keeping the baby?

My bet is that it's either a freaky alien kid like Adria or the Harcesis. Or, if it is a normal healthy human baby and she doesn't miscarry (which would be a great storyline in itself), that the father chooses to raise it or she gives it to some Athosian family. I can't see Teyla being happy at home with a kid. She already made the decision to leave her people on the mainland and live the the Atlanteans because she thought that was best for them; it's more likely that we'll see her struggling with her place once more - especially with Carter replacing Weir - than it is that we'll hear the pitter-patter of little feet.


But yeah, I'm still leaning towards alien baby. In the world of sci-fi, it's probably a good bet that kid ain't yours.

maxbo
July 27th, 2007, 08:28 AM
I'm assuming that there won't be a baby in Atlantis at the end of Season 4. Although it's been done in SG-1 recently, I'm leaning more toward the alien baby possibility rather than a miscarriage or baby off-screen possibilities.

I have yet to see a series that successfully added a baby/child without ruining what I enjoyed about the show/characters so I hope that's not how they plan to resolve this arc.

DONNA BOOTH
July 28th, 2007, 07:26 AM
i am absolutley certain that the baby is alien so i dont think they will keep it on the base long

masterblaster
July 29th, 2007, 07:26 AM
This will be a little long but.
I am not a shipper being a 66 year old retired USAF bomb disposal tech, but.
Now is the chance for the writers to break out of the "comic book mould" that so much sci-fi TV is in. Some of the most vocal fans seem to think the show is a 1930's B western; the hero kisses his horse instead of the girl and his only job is to kick alien butt and do other manly pursuits.
As i see it, there is several ways teyls's pregnancy could be treated.

A. She was inseminated by some horrible alien race and the child will be a monster who grows up in 3 days and tries to take over the universe. God I hope not, every sci-fi TV show has done it at least once, so been there-done that. This option justs says that the writers can't use of a new idea when it drops in their laps.

B. The kid is the result of a marriage/relationship with someone in her tribe. she is the heireditary leader and her duty is to wed/get pregnant so the tribes future is assured. The writers have her birth the kid who immediately gets handed to some "wise village elder" for rearing and she immediately gets back to kicking alien butt. Both of these options say that a woman getting pregnant is strange and unnatural and the kid is something to be gotton rid of ASAP.

Third possibility, and the one I think the writers are taking; The daddy is one of the guys on the show. After her upcoming birth was announced, I started looking for clues. My guess; the candidate for upcoming daddydom is Shepard. Ronon has taken himself out of the race, Rodney has a personality that no woman could take for long,the doc is dead and the writers have been dropping subtle hints lately about Shep/tyela.

a few random thouights; Teyla, Ronon, Teal'c are not true aliens; mearely h. sapiens that have been outside the main evolutionary line for many thousands of years. Thor was an alien, not our girl.
A military/civilian outpost with hundreds of citizens with no sex, marrage, "relationships", babies,:very unlikely. I spent 28 years in the USAF and, regulations notwithstanding, when you put hundreds of young healthy testorone laden men together with loads of young nubile maidens, nature is going to take the same course that nature has always taken.

What is your idea? Are the writters going to take the easy, already done that route or do something novel?

FoolishPleasure
July 29th, 2007, 08:38 AM
Third possibility, and the one I think the writers are taking; The daddy is one of the guys on the show. . . . .Ronon has taken himself out of the race. . .
He did? Must have missed that episode. ;)


What is your idea? Are the writters going to take the easy, already done that route or do something novel?

Actually, Mallozzi already said "daddy" won't be any of the regular guys.

starfox
July 29th, 2007, 09:17 AM
My guess; the candidate for upcoming daddydom is Shepard. Ronon has taken himself out of the race, Rodney has a personality that no woman could take for long,the doc is dead and the writers have been dropping subtle hints lately about Shep/tyela.



"Rodney has a personality that no woman could take for long" - and Shep is better? This is a man who has proven repeatedly that his team, the expedition, and the random puppy he saw in the market on P3X-what-the-hell-ever are all more important to him than his own life. And you want to give him a kid, so he'll have someone else to leave behind next time he makes a suicide run? I saw a lot of people speculating that Sheppard was the father before Mallozzi told us it wasn't going to be one of the main team, and I just couldn't understand it. Sheppard would have to go through a huge personality change were he to become a father, which might be interesting for an episode or two, but would destroy the character we all know and love in the long run. Who's going to be making reckless decisions and nearly getting himself killed if Sheppard's become responsible family man? No kids for Shep - the hero types make for great lays, but sucky relationships.


And back to Teyla and how this affects her.


Do you really see Teyla as the type to stop going out with the team to raise a kid? I don't. Teyla has more or less given up her role as Athosian leader to stand with the Atlanteans because she believes that to be the best way to fight the Wraith. She's walked away from lifelong relationships with her people to do this. I have a really hard time believing she would go back on that life-altering decision because the birth-control failed. And yes, I do think this pregnancy is an accident, simply because she's keeping it quiet, and she's far too responsible a person to hide it and try and keep fighting if this is something she planned. If this is a normal human baby and she doesn't miscarry, I think she'll give it up. It's more in line with her character than Teyla-the-mom. Babies are great for those who want to/are in a place to raise them. I don't see Teyla at this point right now. Having kids may be natural, but having Teyla give it up is more in character, and shows that there's more than one choice a woman can make.


Teyla hinted at an unrequited crush in the beginning of "Sunday." I'm leaning towards that guy being the father, or else it's someone in Teyla's little black book. I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the writers shelved a pregnancy/pregnancy scare storyline with another character because they didn't want two main characters facing parenthood in the same season. That was a good choice. It keeps the idea of parenthood from overwhelming the show. It also means that the writers can concentrate on how this affects Teyla, and the emotional effects on everyone else can be secondary to other, more important plot points.


All that said, I'm still leaning towards alien baby/alien complications, even if the conception was completely normal. It's more in keeping with what we've seen of Stargate so far, and it's easier to sweep under the rug at the end of the day (also in keeping with Stargate tradition).

Cautious Explorer
July 29th, 2007, 01:09 PM
This will be a little long but.
I am not a shipper being a 66 year old retired USAF bomb disposal tech, but.
Now is the chance for the writers to break out of the "comic book mould" that so much sci-fi TV is in. Some of the most vocal fans seem to think the show is a 1930's B western; the hero kisses his horse instead of the girl and his only job is to kick alien butt and do other manly pursuits.
I agree with you. It seems unnatural. A romantic relationship, as long as it's kept subtle, often makes for a more interesting story and helps develop the characters. It works in the movies, so why not on television?


As i see it, there is several ways teyls's pregnancy could be treated.

A. She was inseminated by some horrible alien race and the child will be a monster who grows up in 3 days and tries to take over the universe. God I hope not, every sci-fi TV show has done it at least once, so been there-done that. This option justs says that the writers can't use of a new idea when it drops in their laps.
I hope the pregnancy doesn't result in a wonder child or monster baby. Besides being overdone, these types of plots alway make me wonder why an alien race would require beings of a totally different race to play a part in their reproductive process. And why would they single out Teyla in particular. If all they need is a random human, there are many populated planets in Pegasus.


B. The kid is the result of a marriage/relationship with someone in her tribe. she is the heireditary leader and her duty is to wed/get pregnant so the tribes future is assured. The writers have her birth the kid who immediately gets handed to some "wise village elder" for rearing and she immediately gets back to kicking alien butt. Both of these options say that a woman getting pregnant is strange and unnatural and the kid is something to be gotton rid of ASAP.
I agree with you. Even if Teyla did feel required to have a child as part of her duty as an Athosian, I can't see her letting go of her child so easily. This would probably mean her leaving the team and Atlantis. Since, she seems to feel that Atlantis is the best hope for her people right now, I don't think it would be her choice. I think she would put it on hold until she felt she'd accomplished all she could on Atlantis.


Third possibility, and the one I think the writers are taking; The daddy is one of the guys on the show. After her upcoming birth was announced, I started looking for clues. My guess; the candidate for upcoming daddydom is Shepard. Ronon has taken himself out of the race, Rodney has a personality that no woman could take for long,the doc is dead and the writers have been dropping subtle hints lately about Shep/tyela.

a few random thouights; Teyla, Ronon, Teal'c are not true aliens; mearely h. sapiens that have been outside the main evolutionary line for many thousands of years. Thor was an alien, not our girl.
A military/civilian outpost with hundreds of citizens with no sex, marrage, "relationships", babies,:very unlikely. I spent 28 years in the USAF and, regulations notwithstanding, when you put hundreds of young healthy testorone laden men together with loads of young nubile maidens, nature is going to take the same course that nature has always taken.

What is your idea? Are the writters going to take the easy, already done that route or do something novel?

I don't think the writers would take this route. They've said that only one of the team will face parenthood this season. Even if they did go the route of it being a natural pregnancy with someone on the expedition being the father, I think that would just make Teyla look irresponsible. With the Wraith and Asurans threatening Atlantis, it's a less than ideal time to decide to have a child. And if it's an accident, she looks even more irresponsible.

I'm hoping that whatever the source of the pregnancy, it ends up in a miscarriage. Atlantis is no place for a child and it's too awkward to write a child into an action series.



He did? Must have missed that episode. ;)
I think masterbalster meant Sunday when Ronon asked John if he was interested in Teyla. I should hope if Ronon was sleeping with Teyla he wouldn't be suspicious that she was also sleeping with John. :(



"Rodney has a personality that no woman could take for long" - and Shep is better? This is a man who has proven repeatedly that his team, the expedition, and the random puppy he saw in the market on P3X-what-the-hell-ever are all more important to him than his own life. And you want to give him a kid, so he'll have someone else to leave behind next time he makes a suicide run? I saw a lot of people speculating that Sheppard was the father before Mallozzi told us it wasn't going to be one of the main team, and I just couldn't understand it. Sheppard would have to go through a huge personality change were he to become a father, which might be interesting for an episode or two, but would destroy the character we all know and love in the long run. Who's going to be making reckless decisions and nearly getting himself killed if Sheppard's become responsible family man? No kids for Shep - the hero types make for great lays, but sucky relationships.
I think if you use this logic, you have to rule out everyone on the expedition as parent material. They're all taking a great risk just by being there. Some may take more risks than others, but no one there is safe.


And back to Teyla and how this affects her.


Do you really see Teyla as the type to stop going out with the team to raise a kid? I don't. Teyla has more or less given up her role as Athosian leader to stand with the Atlanteans because she believes that to be the best way to fight the Wraith. She's walked away from lifelong relationships with her people to do this. I have a really hard time believing she would go back on that life-altering decision because the birth-control failed. And yes, I do think this pregnancy is an accident, simply because she's keeping it quiet, and she's far too responsible a person to hide it and try and keep fighting if this is something she planned. If this is a normal human baby and she doesn't miscarry, I think she'll give it up. It's more in line with her character than Teyla-the-mom. Babies are great for those who want to/are in a place to raise them. I don't see Teyla at this point right now. Having kids may be natural, but having Teyla give it up is more in character, and shows that there's more than one choice a woman can make.

I totally agree with you here except for Teyla giving up the child. I don't think she would be able to do that. I guess we see her differently.



Teyla hinted at an unrequited crush in the beginning of "Sunday." I'm leaning towards that guy being the father, or else it's someone in Teyla's little black book. I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the writers shelved a pregnancy/pregnancy scare storyline with another character because they didn't want two main characters facing parenthood in the same season. That was a good choice. It keeps the idea of parenthood from overwhelming the show. It also means that the writers can concentrate on how this affects Teyla, and the emotional effects on everyone else can be secondary to other, more important plot points.

I thought the crush in Sunday was referring to John. But that was before there was a need to have Teyla be pregnant. So it's possible the writers could use that as a convenient explanation. That was fast work though, if Teyla wasn't even sure her unkown crush was interested and now they've progressed far enough that he's going to father her baby.



All that said, I'm still leaning towards alien baby/alien complications, even if the conception was completely normal. It's more in keeping with what we've seen of Stargate so far, and it's easier to sweep under the rug at the end of the day (also in keeping with Stargate tradition).

I think you're right.

starfox
July 29th, 2007, 04:35 PM
I think if you use this logic, you have to rule out everyone on the expedition as parent material. They're all taking a great risk just by being there. Some may take more risks than others, but no one there is safe.

It's less that it's not safe and more that he routinely disregards his own safety and goes into situations that he only survives because he's the hero and we need him to live until the next episode. Take "The Ark" for example. There was no way in hell his plan should have worked. It didn't work. Sheer luck was the only thing that saved his (and by default, everyone else's) life in that episode. He got in that shuttle not because he thought it would work, but because he couldn't do nothing. He's the type of character who takes the risk himself instead of letting other people take it, and I can't see him have an easy time sending someone else off to a suicide mission because he's got a woman and kid counting on him and therefore can't take it himself. Sheppard's ready to die for the people under his command; I think he might have more of a problem living for them.

That is, of course, just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. I also think Sheppard as written is incapable of having a functional long-term romantic relationship at this point in the show. If you can't tell, I like my John happy and single.


I totally agree with you here except for Teyla giving up the child. I don't think she would be able to do that. I guess we see her differently.


Teyla's pretty strong; I think if she had a child then she would be determined to do the right thing for said child in regards to how he/she/it/the-tentacle-baby-from-the-deep were raised. She gave up a life among her people to live with a bunch of strangers. Compared to that, giving her child to a family she trusts so that it may be raised in safety while she continues to fight the good fight with her friends seems a much simpler choice.



I thought the crush in Sunday was referring to John. But that was before there was a need to have Teyla be pregnant. So it's possible the writers could use that as a convenient explanation. That was fast work though, if Teyla wasn't even sure her unkown crush was interested and now they've progressed far enough that he's going to father her baby.




The crush in "Sunday" was ambiguous enough that we all used it as evidence of our favorite Teyla ships.

And it's not necessarily moving that fast. We don't know exactly how much time is passing between the episodes in Season 4 or between the episodes at the end of the third season. And besides, if all the necessary bits and bobbles are working, it only takes one time (and one faulty condom and/or skipped pill) to make a baby.

masterblaster
July 29th, 2007, 08:47 PM
a few other thoughts
Doc mac could be the father but he is dead and that would be in keeping with the writers never taking a chance. But I still think it is Shep. He has been changing lately but who knows. Remember the eppy where She was fed into a computer on a alien ship along with everyone else in this race. Remember the look she gave hime when he risked his life to save her. Teyla is the product of a small barbarian agricultural tribe. She is conditioned to look for the hero type. On the surface, she may seem a modern woman but, subconsciencly, she is preprogramned to think of the military hero as the proper husband type. Ronon is the same, but when she asked him, he said that he was still not over his wife. Rodney would be the last type of man she would pick for a life mate.
Of course, Sci-fi channel writers are widely know for having the spine of a ce of a-dente pasta. Logic notwithstanding, the daddy will be a nobody with the life expectancy of Ensign Jones beaming down to a new planet with Kirk, Bones, and Spock. The kid will disappear quicker than a supreme pizza at a frat house.
There seems to be a group of fans who are against any form of relationships on sci-fi shows and I wonder why.
Remember the last few eppys of "Farscape" when Claudia Black's character finally admitted that she was in love with Ben. The show much improoved. It was a blast to see how the two had became one and worked together much closer than before. If you own the shows on disc, watch them again and you will see what I mean. But I keep forgetting that Farscape had award winning writers.
I keep forgetting that the characters are not real and will do whatever the writers tell them to. If the script says so; John retires and starts flying for Jet blue, Rodney gets a teaching job for a community college, and Teyla, Sam and Elizabeth start a 3 girl pole dancing act. Humm, not a bad idea, I think I could come up with a few 20's to stuff in Sams g string. LOL

starfox
July 29th, 2007, 10:25 PM
The Athosians are not barbarians and we've seen no evidence that Teyla is "conditioned" to want what you say, or if she's even the marrying type at all. With her background it's hardly likely she's looking for a big, strong man to protect her. It's okay for the woman to be the physically superior one in the relationship, you know. As Teyla would be in a relationship with any of the main characters (with the exception of Ronon). She's shown herself to be a superior fighter; I think the only times we've seen her bested by one of her teammates were when Sheppard was infected with the mutant Iratus virus and when she and Ronon were hopped up on Wraith enzyme.

Not that it matters, because we've already been told that the father is not one of the main team.


And a quick question: How does a reluctance to turn a strong alien character into a baby-making poster child for the heteronormative reproduction-centric aspects of society show a lack of spine on the part of the writers? If this were Katie Brown, maybe I'd buy the husband and kid and Ancient crystal picket fence around the living quarters, but none of this rings true for Teyla. So why would it be a good move to give her that?

masterblaster
July 30th, 2007, 08:51 AM
But the athosians are barbarians, by our standards. They lived in a pre-industrial agricultrial society. Sure, once they had a higher society but that was pre-culling which forced them into earlier tribal culture.
I find it very hard to understand some of the fans who seem to think that, just because this is sci-fi, that all human values and needs do not exist. Humans have kids, atosians have kids, hell, for all I know, wraith get married and have kids. Why should Teyla, Shep, or any other of the denisons of Atlantis be different. Just because they are Sci-Fi TV heros, must Teyla live a sexless monastic life. Do you want her to be a fully rounded human woman who happens to be a hero or a 2 demensional cardboard cut-out comic book character who happens to be female?
If sci-fi books have human characters, if sci-fi movies have human characters, why should sci-fi TV be different?
P.S. You say Teyla is not conditioned, Wrong we are all conditioned at a very early age You may be a hard core feninist but , give me your kids to raise for two generations and I will give you a happy dutifull housewife.

Ruffles
July 30th, 2007, 11:38 AM
a few other thoughts
Doc mac could be the father but he is dead and that would be in keeping with the writers never taking a chance. But I still think it is Shep. He has been changing lately but who knows. Remember the eppy where She was fed into a computer on a alien ship along with everyone else in this race. Remember the look she gave hime when he risked his life to save her. Teyla is the product of a small barbarian agricultural tribe. She is conditioned to look for the hero type. On the surface, she may seem a modern woman but, subconsciencly, she is preprogramned to think of the military hero as the proper husband type. Ronon is the same, but when she asked him, he said that he was still not over his wife. Rodney would be the last type of man she would pick for a life mate.
Of course, Sci-fi channel writers are widely know for having the spine of a ce of a-dente pasta. Logic notwithstanding, the daddy will be a nobody with the life expectancy of Ensign Jones beaming down to a new planet with Kirk, Bones, and Spock. The kid will disappear quicker than a supreme pizza at a frat house.
There seems to be a group of fans who are against any form of relationships on sci-fi shows and I wonder why.
Remember the last few eppys of "Farscape" when Claudia Black's character finally admitted that she was in love with Ben. The show much improoved. It was a blast to see how the two had became one and worked together much closer than before. If you own the shows on disc, watch them again and you will see what I mean. But I keep forgetting that Farscape had award winning writers.
I keep forgetting that the characters are not real and will do whatever the writers tell them to. If the script says so; John retires and starts flying for Jet blue, Rodney gets a teaching job for a community college, and Teyla, Sam and Elizabeth start a 3 girl pole dancing act. Humm, not a bad idea, I think I could come up with a few 20's to stuff in Sams g string. LOL

I believe that RL said in an interview that they had not yet cast the man that was to be her love interest. It's not one of the already established characters.

To the bolded statements:
*I believe Shep would have flown that craft in The Ark if it had been Ronon, Rodney, Lorne, Beckett, or any of his people in there. He said in Sateda that he would do anything for his "family".
*I don't recall Teyla asking Ronon. What ep was that? I know he and Shep had a conversation in Sunday.


But the athosians are barbarians, by our standards. They lived in a pre-industrial agricultrial society. Sure, once they had a higher society but that was pre-culling which forced them into earlier tribal culture.
I find it very hard to understand some of the fans who seem to think that, just because this is sci-fi, that all human values and needs do not exist. Humans have kids, atosians have kids, hell, for all I know, wraith get married and have kids. Why should Teyla, Shep, or any other of the denisons of Atlantis be different. Just because they are Sci-Fi TV heros, must Teyla live a sexless monastic life. Do you want her to be a fully rounded human woman who happens to be a hero or a 2 demensional cardboard cut-out comic book character who happens to be female?
If sci-fi books have human characters, if sci-fi movies have human characters, why should sci-fi TV be different?
P.S. You say Teyla is not conditioned, Wrong we are all conditioned at a very early age You may be a hard core feninist but , give me your kids to raise for two generations and I will give you a happy dutifull housewife.

I disagree that the Athosians are barbarians. Being a pre-industrial society does not make you barbarian. I would not consider life in the US or Europe in the late 1800s as barbaric. These people are not neanderthals. They simply have not had the opportunity to progress at the same pace as Earth.

I also don't think Teyla is looking for a he-man to fulfill her. She is completely capable on her own. She stated in Sunday that the ways of her people were different so she wasn't going to approach "the crush". I'm not advocating any ship, but I could easily see Teyla with a man like Beckett or Zelenka - quiet, sensitive souls. Just as easily as I could see her with a man like Sheppard or Ronon - valiant and heroic. I personally don't see her with any of them, but I don't think you can box her in.

I don't think the baby will be anything other than a product of a relationship that she has with a man whose identity has yet to be revealed. I'm not sure what will happen to the child. I can't quite imagine her just handing the baby over to someone to raise (and we don't know the fate of the Athosians anyway - Missing is where she discovers she is pregnant I think). The child might not even be born this season. The dad may be on Atlantis and raising the baby who gets an occasional mention.

starfox
July 30th, 2007, 12:03 PM
But the athosians are barbarians, by our standards. They lived in a pre-industrial agricultrial society. Sure, once they had a higher society but that was pre-culling which forced them into earlier tribal culture.
I find it very hard to understand some of the fans who seem to think that, just because this is sci-fi, that all human values and needs do not exist. Humans have kids, atosians have kids, hell, for all I know, wraith get married and have kids. Why should Teyla, Shep, or any other of the denisons of Atlantis be different. Just because they are Sci-Fi TV heros, must Teyla live a sexless monastic life. Do you want her to be a fully rounded human woman who happens to be a hero or a 2 demensional cardboard cut-out comic book character who happens to be female?
If sci-fi books have human characters, if sci-fi movies have human characters, why should sci-fi TV be different?
P.S. You say Teyla is not conditioned, Wrong we are all conditioned at a very early age You may be a hard core feninist but , give me your kids to raise for two generations and I will give you a happy dutifull housewife.


I didn't say Teyla wasn't conditioned, I said we've seen no evidence to support that she's been conditioned the way you say. All evidence points to Teyla being trained as a leader to her people. Anything else is pure speculation, and in this case unfounded speculation.

Secondly, you say humans have kids. Not all humans do. There are plenty of people who have no desire to have children. Maybe they find other things more important, maybe they don't have the patience for parenthood, maybe they just don't like kids. I'm not saying that Teyla has to fall into any of these categories, but I'm saying that just because humans as a species reproduce to create the next generation doesn't mean that each individual person has the same desire to do so.

I also disagree with/take mild offence to the idea that a woman has to be a mother to be considered fully rounded. And this isn't anything against motherhood, either. There's more to a person than what they do with their reproductive bits. Teyla has friendships and arguments and conflicts and crushes and is a strong fighter and in one episode was interim leader of the city. Exploring any of these things would help to flesh her out as a well-rounded character. As I said earlier, there are plenty of people who don't have to make babies to feel fulfilled.

And as for the barbarian comment, the definition of barbarian given by Merriam-Webster is as follows -

1 : of or relating to a land, culture, or people alien and usually believed to be inferior to another land, culture, or people
2 : lacking refinement, learning, or artistic or literary culture

(http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/barbarian)


The Athosians do not lack refinement or learning, as at least some of them are able to read Ancient (as demonstrated by Teyla in "Epiphany", they have traditional stories, and from what we've seen of Teyla's quarters, they are able to blend form and function in their craft-work, showing that they are capable of producing works of art, even if their lifestyle means that such things must be practical rather than just pretty. Furthermore, while the Tau'ri and the Ancients may have been superior to the Athosians in terms of technology, the Athosians kick Atlantean behind when it comes to farming and trade. Agricultural society does not make one barbarian. Lack of industry does not make one barbarian. It simply means that we're looking at a society with a different focus than our own.


Also, I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but correct spelling and punctuation would encourage me to take you more seriously.

masterblaster
July 30th, 2007, 12:43 PM
sorry about the barbarian arguement but, if there is one thing I hate, it is political correctness. I know thaat many people today hold that all cultures are equal, be they H. erectus or a harvard graduate but i can't buy that. There probably hasn't been an advance in intellegance in the last 50 KY but our culture is an accumulation and sum of all the citizens.
You are right, all woman, and men, do not have children, but the big part of the bell curve says that women as a whole do have children. Ruling familys like teyla's are especially prone to this. you only have to look at European history to see rulers that were homo-sexual but had the duty to continue their line by marrying and having children even though marriage and hetrosexual sex must have been a mental hell.
Sorry about the spelling. I freely admit that i have several Olympic gold medals in the bad spelling catagory.

starfox
July 30th, 2007, 12:52 PM
sorry about the barbarian arguement but, if there is one thing I hate, it is political correctness. I know thaat many people today hold that all cultures are equal, be they H. erectus or a harvard graduate but i can't buy that. There probably hasn't been an advance in intellegance in the last 50 KY but our culture is an accumulation and sum of all the citizens.
You are right, all woman, and men, do not have children, but the big part of the bell curve says that women as a whole do have children. Ruling familys like teyla's are especially prone to this. you only have to look at European history to see rulers that were homo-sexual but had the duty to continue their line by marrying and having children even though marriage and hetrosexual sex must have been a mental hell.
Sorry about the spelling. I freely admit that i have several Olympic gold medals in the bad spelling catagory.

Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of being PC, but the word "barbarian" is usally used for societies that have barely advanced at all since the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens, and I think we can agree that the Athosians don't fit into that category.

And I think we're getting closer to agreeing on the Teyla wanting babies thing. Judging by some of the spoilers I've seen for "The Seer", Teyla will probably feel obligated to keep/raise the child if it turns out that it's a normal human pregnancy, but I think that would be more because of a sense of obligation to the Athosians than because she's actually ready to settle down and be a mom. We'll just have to wait and see, though.

FoolishPleasure
July 30th, 2007, 01:07 PM
Teyla is the product of a small barbarian agricultural tribe. She is conditioned to look for the hero type. On the surface, she may seem a modern woman but, subconsciencly, she is preprogramned to think of the military hero as the proper husband type.

Teyla isn't out to grab herself a hot, hero husband. Give her some credit. As a leader, she will always put her people ahead of herself.

*Hell hath frozen over. . . I'm defending Teyla* ;)


There seems to be a group of fans who are against any form of relationships on sci-fi shows and I wonder why.

No one is against "friendship", but outright romance between two regs causes the arcs to revolve around them at the expense of other characters, and because it turns scifi into soap. This isn't "As The Stargate Turns".


Remember the last few eppys of "Farscape" when Claudia Black's character finally admitted that she was in love with Ben. The show much improoved.

Part of the fun of Farscape was knowing John and Aeryn were in love, but too stubborn to admit it. When they did, I lost interest because the fire between them was gone for me.


If the script says so; John retires and starts flying for Jet blue, Rodney gets a teaching job for a community college, and Teyla, Sam and Elizabeth start a 3 girl pole dancing act. Humm, not a bad idea, I think I could come up with a few 20's to stuff in Sams g string. LOL

Sort of a disrespectful way to look at these characters, especially the women.

Ruffles
July 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of being PC, but the word "barbarian" is usally used for societies that have barely advanced at all since the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens, and I think we can agree that the Athosians don't fit into that category.

And I think we're getting closer to agreeing on the Teyla wanting babies thing. Judging by some of the spoilers I've seen for "The Seer", Teyla will probably feel obligated to keep/raise the child if it turns out that it's a normal human pregnancy, but I think that would be more because of a sense of obligation to the Athosians than because she's actually ready to settle down and be a mom. We'll just have to wait and see, though.

I see Teyla a little differently. I don't think she would view a baby as an obligation to the Athosians. Life is a precious commodity in the Pegasus Galaxy. The Wraith threat hangs over their heads constantly. I think she (and the Athosians) would celebrate a new life the same way they cherished Charin's natural death in Critical Mass. I'm not sure it would occur to her to not have the baby. It will be very interesting to see how this is handled, and it may give us a great look at Athosian culture and traditions.

the dancer of spaz
July 30th, 2007, 02:30 PM
I see Teyla a little differently. I don't think she would view a baby as an obligation to the Athosians. Life is a precious commodity in the Pegasus Galaxy. The Wraith threat hangs over their heads constantly. I think she (and the Athosians) would celebrate a new life the same way they cherished Charin's natural death in Critical Mass. I'm not sure it would occur to her to not have the baby. It will be very interesting to see how this is handled, and it may give us a great look at Athosian culture and traditions.

That's true. Teyla has been somewhat of a weak link in part because of the Athosians' lack of development. Her reaction to having a child and the way she handles it could give us some insight into the Athosians, while also further developing her character.

masterblaster
July 30th, 2007, 04:58 PM
Teyla isn't out to grab herself a hot, hero husband. Give her some credit. As a leader, she will always put her people ahead of herself.

*Hell hath frozen over. . . I'm defending Teyla* ;)



No one is against "friendship", but outright romance between two regs causes the arcs to revolve around them at the expense of other characters, and because it turns scifi into soap. This isn't "As The Stargate Turns".

What i have said that it is un natural for hundreds of humans in their prime to be living in close quarters in 'friendship". I hate soaps too. I used to make my wife and mother-in-law mad by laughing in all the wrong spots but stargate has gone back to the 1920's western days.



Part of the fun of Farscape was knowing John and Aeryn were in love, but too stubborn to admit it. When they did, I lost interest because the fire between them was gone for me.
i was just the opposite. You must have been the kid who kept his nose pressed against the candy store window but would never go in and plunk your money down. With me, it is not the chase but the kill. In my opinion, the Sam/jack ship was fine for a year or so. But when the writers just kept them sniffing around each other for ten years; I just said, who cares and forgot about it. John always knew Aeryn was for him, when she realized this too, the show gained a new deminsion. I always though that that farscape was a more adult show.



Sort of a disrespectful way to look at these characters, especially the women.

Why, why would a woman who has an IQ of 150 and a PHD refuse to believe that she could be beautiful and sexy also. The one does not preclude the other. In fact, it would be easier for an educated woman to project sexuality that a stupid one. They could be but why would the shape of a woman's have anything to wo with the shape of her body.
Sorry for the fatal dose of philosophy.

Princess Awinita
July 30th, 2007, 05:14 PM
I for one, like Teyla for who she is, not just the way she looks, oh and one small bit of info that I know right now.

Teyla is from a pre INDUSTRYIAL group of people, not barbarians! I should know because she is my owner.... ahem sorry I tend to get a little stuck as my OC in my story that i'm working on.

anyhow

I just hope Teyla does not leave or die off or gets written out, she is my fav character!

starfox
July 30th, 2007, 05:36 PM
Why, why would a woman who has an IQ of 150 and a PHD refuse to believe that she could be beautiful and sexy also. The one does not preclude the other. In fact, it would be easier for an educated woman to project sexuality that a stupid one. They could be but why would the shape of a woman's have anything to wo with the shape of her body.
Sorry for the fatal dose of philosophy.

What in the post you are quoting leads you to this debate on intelligence vs. sexuality?

FoolishPleasure
July 30th, 2007, 06:46 PM
Why, why would a woman who has an IQ of 150 and a PHD refuse to believe that she could be beautiful and sexy also. The one does not preclude the other. In fact, it would be easier for an educated woman to project sexuality that a stupid one. They could be but why would the shape of a woman's have anything to wo with the shape of her body.
Sorry for the fatal dose of philosophy.

What in the world are you talking about? You just insinuated that Teyla is only out to find herself a man, and that Teyla, Carter, and Weir should be pole dancers? :S

*slight aroma of troll doo-doo in here*

firefly30
July 30th, 2007, 11:56 PM
I recently re-watched season 1 and just like the first time, it bothers me that Teyla becomes part of the team with no explanation at all. I always felt that if she's the leader of her people she should have stayed with them and sent a trusted right hand man/woman on missions. It's odd that the writers never addressed the issue of her being trusted enough to join Shep's team, she's just suddenly there.

That said, after I got over that I really enjoyed her character. I do hope she'll have a bit more to do in season 4 than in season 3 though.

Cautious Explorer
July 31st, 2007, 08:57 AM
I recently re-watched season 1 and just like the first time, it bothers me that Teyla becomes part of the team with no explanation at all. I always felt that if she's the leader of her people she should have stayed with them and sent a trusted right hand man/woman on missions. It's odd that the writers never addressed the issue of her being trusted enough to join Shep's team, she's just suddenly there.

That said, after I got over that I really enjoyed her character. I do hope she'll have a bit more to do in season 4 than in season 3 though.

I think Sheppard trusted Teyla from the beginning. I guess escaping from a hive ship can be a bonding experience. :) It was up to him to choose his team and he wanted someone familiar to Pegasus to act as a guide. Maybe they should have had Dr Weir be more questioning of Teyla though.
She certainly seemed to have her doubts about the Athosians in general in the early episodes.

As to leaving her people, it was my impression that Teyla felt she could be most useful to the Athosians by assuring that the Atlantis expedition was successful. Until Return, they were always nearby on the mainland and we have no idea how often Teyla visited. It just wasn't part of the story that we saw.

I'm glad she didn't send a representative to be on the team. Then we'd probably be watching John, Rodney, Ronon and Halling every week. ;)

kingdom
July 31st, 2007, 07:49 PM
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I'm glad she didn't send a representative to be on the team. Then we'd probably be watching John, Rodney, Ronon and Halling every week. ;)

That's funny....I wouldn't watch.:teyla:

PG15
August 7th, 2007, 03:50 PM
A bit about Teyla's arc this year from the new Martin Gero interview:


MG: Just a guest star. And "Missing" is maybe one of my favorite episodes I've ever read, written by Carl Binder, directed by Andy Mikita. Andy is so perfect for it. It's going to be a really great episode for Jewel and Rachel. When we sat down at the end of Season Three, one of the big things that Paul, especially, wanted to take point on when he came on as show-runner with Joe, is to bring Teyla to the forefront a little bit more. She has oft been the forgotten character in Atlantis. Not anybody's fault.

I wrote a scene in "First Strike." [It does] show things that are going around on the base. There's not much for Ronon and Teyla to do. I'm just writing another scene right now for my untitled episode which takes place on Earth. They're figuring out corporate structures and Ronon's just surfing the Net. They're like, "What are you doing?" He's like, "You want my help researching corporate structures? Tell me when you have someone to point a gun at, and then I'm useful." That's Ronon.

But Teyla is more of a dignitary and leader. It was really important to for us -- for whatever reason -- those stories weren't getting told. This year it was a priority and we have a really exciting arc for her this year that hopefully no one will see coming. Some really nice twists throughout the entire season over the course of three or four episodes. Yeah, it'll be nice. It's a different type of arc for us because it doesn't happen over the course of four episodes. It'll happen throughout the entire season an episode here, an episode there. It'll be mentioned an episode here, an episode there. It's good.



http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/gero_to_infinity.shtml

vaberella
August 7th, 2007, 05:39 PM
^^ http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/iloveu2.gif PG15 <--Marry me?! http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/ballet.gif

Great post, and this is why I'm so pro S4 and why I can't wait. No more backpedaling it's al forward from here on out and it seems to me the writers are aware of their deficiences. Further more they've already proven with the changes they made in S2 that they are looking for the best in the show and no one (okay a few can and probaly will :D) can deny that Ronon wasn't a fun addition (even though I love Ford). So I know the changes made now will be all for the good of the show and finally some consideration to a character that has considerable clout for storyline and the growth of the show and other characters. Ditto for Ronon.


I for one, like Teyla for who she is, not just the way she looks, oh and one small bit of info that I know right now.

Teyla is from a pre INDUSTRYIAL group of people, not barbarians! I should know because she is my owner.... ahem sorry I tend to get a little stuck as my OC in my story that i'm working on.

anyhow

I just hope Teyla does not leave or die off or gets written out, she is my fav character!

Pre-Industrial is way to lenient for Teyla's people (she doesn't even come near to looking like the heirarchal system of the Feudal Era). We had the printing press and the steam engine in America, not to mention Ford (the car guy) coming around the end of the Industrial Age.

Depending on who's listed as barbaric (like the idiots on the Discovery or History channel---who incorrectly labeled these great warriors as Barbarians), some text books listed the Gual's and Vikings as barbaric, they did live during a Barbaric Age (in the sense of conquering lands and people (rape and pillaging and what not)---I adore the Guals (I'm not a fan of the Saxon or Anglo's---but whatever :D).

In any event, because it was a barbaric age those people were classed as such and therefore I would have to agree that Teyla's people have fallen in to that group. For all intents and purposes the Vikings, Anglos, Saxons, and Gauls (plus many more) were rather civilized people some with primitive levels of a established heirarchy (they had councils as most tribes do, with maybe one leader and one medicine man). When I speak of established heirarchy I speak of a king, lord, knights, peasants (as commonly seen during the feudal era).

So, sorry to say Teyla's people are basically tribal people who by poor western terminology barbarians (again incorrectly named). And they have a bloody great mastery of fire, much like the Vikings had of the sea and the Chinese and Africans had of everything else. :D

The idiot Ancient Greeks (I look at them as racists really *edited since people were apparently offended*)named most those from African and Asian continents as barbarians, and even Romans. They used it the way we use it to denote people who are not as "technologically advanced" as we are---instead we call them "primitive".

the fifth man
August 7th, 2007, 06:06 PM
I am definitely hopeful for Teyla this season. IMO, it's now or never for her character.

bluealien
August 7th, 2007, 10:56 PM
Season four sounds extremely exciting for Teyla and I'm certaintly looking forward to it. She has always been one of my favourite characters and I've loved everything about her so far. She may not have always had as much screentime as I would have liked but I still always found her to one of the most interesting characters. So it's great news that she will be in the forefront in season four.

Skydiver
August 8th, 2007, 05:02 AM
^^
The idiot Greeks (I look at them as racists really; prejudice little pricks) named most those from African and Asian continents as barbarians, and even Romans. They used it the way we use it to denote people who are not as "technologically advanced" as we are---instead we call them "primitive".

You are, of course, speaking of ANCIENT greeks. Folks that lived thousands of years ago. You're not speaking of current day greeks...at least i hope you're not. Because if i happened to be of greek descent, i'd be pretty offended to be called a racist prick.

Then again, i'd be pretty offended to have my ancestors called racist pricks.

I dare you to find a race/persons that haven't been racist and narrow minded and petty in their history.

It's human nature to find a reason, any reason, to belive that oneself is 'better' than someone...anyone else.

Perhaps there is a better way to phrase the tendancy of one group to interpret tehmselves as better than others...even if they have to make up reasons for it.

FireCat
August 8th, 2007, 05:17 AM
The idiot Greeks (I look at them as racists really; prejudice little pricks) named most those from African and Asian continents as barbarians, and even Romans. They used it the way we use it to denote people who are not as "technologically advanced" as we are---instead we call them "primitive".

Slightly OT, but the word "barbarian" is derived from a word was used by the Greeks (who explored extensively) to describe someone who was not Greek. That was all.

The Romans used the word to describe some of the Germanic peoples who continued to protest Roman rule, which changed over time to mean less civilized and ultimately uneducated peoples (because those silly Germans just wouldn't do what they were told to do).

The Gauls (which had Celtic bloodlines) are the modern day French, and the Romans never referred to them as "barbaric".

The Saxons were northern Germanic - becoming modern day Dutch peoples, but settled throughout England.

As for the "Anglos", I think you meant to say "Angles" who were of Germanic descent from the Baltic region who also settled in England and inter-married with the Saxon peoples, hence the phrase "Anglo-Saxon"

Referring to the ancient Greeks as you did, was rather uncalled for, and saying you don't like Saxons or Angles can be taken you don't like English peoples, or maybe white (anglo) people in general.

Be more careful how you word things. :)

the dancer of spaz
August 8th, 2007, 07:22 AM
You are, of course, speaking of ANCIENT greeks. Folks that lived thousands of years ago. You're not speaking of current day greeks...at least i hope you're not. Because if i happened to be of greek descent, i'd be pretty offended to be called a racist prick.

Then again, i'd be pretty offended to have my ancestors called racist pricks.

I dare you to find a race/persons that haven't been racist and narrow minded and petty in their history.

It's human nature to find a reason, any reason, to belive that oneself is 'better' than someone...anyone else.

Perhaps there is a better way to phrase the tendancy of one group to interpret tehmselves as better than others...even if they have to make up reasons for it.

Now I don't agree with vaberella's uber-intense tone when addressing this issue, but I think it's fairly obvious she was talking about Ancient Greeks. The past tense and the mention of Romans tipped me off at least, but I could be wrong.

At any rate, I think the little keywords like "primitive" and "barbarians" (something that I believe westerners used to describe Mexicans and American Indians in the 1800s because of their wildly different cultural lifestyles) are used in a more classist manner, and probably have less to do with race - even if minimally so. It's definitely been a way of differentiating which group of people has more access to education, technology, etc. That's how I relate it to the Stargate universe anyway.

Southern Red
August 8th, 2007, 07:35 AM
You are, of course, speaking of ANCIENT greeks. Folks that lived thousands of years ago. You're not speaking of current day greeks...at least i hope you're not. Because if i happened to be of greek descent, i'd be pretty offended to be called a racist <snip>.

Then again, i'd be pretty offended to have my ancestors called racist <snip>.

I dare you to find a race/persons that haven't been racist and narrow minded and petty in their history.

It's human nature to find a reason, any reason, to belive that oneself is 'better' than someone...anyone else.

Perhaps there is a better way to phrase the tendancy of one group to interpret tehmselves as better than others...even if they have to make up reasons for it.

Since Joe Flanigan's wife is of Greek ancestry, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that this would offend him. ;)

I, for one, am immensely proud of my barbaric Celtic ancestors. *runs off to paint face blue*

vaberella
August 8th, 2007, 07:55 AM
You are, of course, speaking of ANCIENT greeks. Folks that lived thousands of years ago. You're not speaking of current day greeks...at least i hope you're not. Because if i happened to be of greek descent, i'd be pretty offended to be called a racist prick.

Then again, i'd be pretty offended to have my ancestors called racist pricks.

Not to stem this OT, why would you be offended by some of your ancestors called racist pricks. Bloody hell, it was a common stage in our history...300 (The Movie) is a good modern depiction of conquering and slavery---to an extent. We're speaking of past history...not that past, if you consider that America really didn't give blacks citizenship until 1960 (but that's up for interpretation). In any event, I wouldnt' be offended because I can attest and admit that I have racist ancestry <---being of mixed african slave lineage (I'm Haitian)---I can't deny it, wouldn't want to anyway.

Now as for whom I'm speaking about, of course it would be Ancient Greeks. The direction of my post and in regards to what I was speaking about--would say the Ancient Greeks. But then for those who probably don't know history (which I find unlikely if they have a computer) would probably not know...I guess the same could be said about terminology though, not many people know the difference in a few eras. But overall yes, Ancient Greeks are likely----the Roman's don't happen to exist today just their descendants. :S



I dare you to find a race/persons that haven't been racist and narrow minded and petty in their history.

I won't deny that. But then, why would you be offended by someone calling your ancestors "racist pricks"?


It's human nature to find a reason, any reason, to belive that oneself is 'better' than someone...anyone else.
That I wholeheartedly disagree with and find absolutely ridiculous on so many levels. It's human nature to probably be wary if not scared, of those who are physically different from you----that I won't deny. But for people to believe themselves "superior" to other's is something else entirely. Many of the civilizations that had to endure pillaging and conquering ---after a period of cultural interpolation there was then convergence. Hence the reason many people associate China as a country through it's history of conquering and being conquered ingests cultural views and ideology into it's own.

Not to mention the dynasties and tribes that lived in peace and tranquility despite they're different religions and views. Not to mention the dynamics of slavery inherently changed in regards to the US and the Islands surrounding. Slavery in ancient times, let's say paticularly Africa was following the canon version of servitude until the people were integrated into the culture. Even in Ancient Greece and (including the period after Romans took over) there was stable intermingling of cultures and races.

Conquering much of the time wasn't about superiority, it was much more about gaining land mass and becoming a viable power. The US and Carribean history perpetrated primarily by the Spanish (speaking of Columbus and his mass murdering rampage) and the English/French changed the entire dynamic of "slavery" especially after the US gained it's independence---humans were property, slaves were basically always property in the Carribean, until Haiti gained it's independence---and it became the first successful slave revolt. But that didn't mean slavery wasn't dominant in other parts of the Carribean. The US unfortunately did turn it into a travesty---and probably made it seem as though this is an aspect of human nature. It's far that from what I've read of history---which is quite a bit; but that's not denying it's not out there. It just wasn't the focus.


Perhaps there is a better way to phrase the tendancy of one group to interpret tehmselves as better than others...even if they have to make up reasons for it.

Racist was the term I was told it was. How can you make it nicer? :S There's nothing nice about it.


Slightly OT, but the word "barbarian" is derived from a word was used by the Greeks (who explored extensively) to describe someone who was not Greek. That was all.

The Romans used the word to describe some of the Germanic peoples who continued to protest Roman rule, which changed over time to mean less civilized and ultimately uneducated peoples (because those silly Germans just wouldn't do what they were told to do).

The Gauls (which had Celtic bloodlines) are the modern day French, and the Romans never referred to them as "barbaric".

The Saxons were northern Germanic - becoming modern day Dutch peoples, but settled throughout England.

As for the "Anglos", I think you meant to say "Angles" who were of Germanic descent from the Baltic region who also settled in England and inter-married with the Saxon peoples, hence the phrase "Anglo-Saxon"

Referring to the ancient Greeks as you did, was rather uncalled for, and saying you don't like Saxons or Angles can be taken you don't like English peoples, or maybe white (anglo) people in general.

Be more careful how you word things. :)

First off you misquoted me several times. Secondly, I think I saw this written in wikipedia, you could just have easily just posted the link. I don't bother too much with wiki, I have texts at home on the subject. :S

Just to clarify fyi...because I just hate being misquoted. I never said the Roman's referred to the Guals as barbarians. You even quoted me and there was no mention of that. So what were you talking about in bold? I know quite well who the Gauls are...my lineage is testament to that.

As for Anglo's, I know they are Angle's...I just like Anglo (cool word) and easier for those who know Anglo-Saxon; a lot of people don't know them as Angles. Further more to the statement in blue, which shows to me you didn't read my post...when did I say I didn't like the Anglo-Saxon's? I said I wasn't a fan. I read history, I have my favorite conquerers, pirates, dictators, Queens, Kings, history makers in essence...and the list goes on---I like the Mongols and the Chinese, not much of a fan of the Japanese (although they had their moments), Romans and a few African groups. But that's me...what is your deal?! Plus how can I hate the English...rubbish!!! I think your statement was utter nonsense in reflection of my post.

As for the rest of your statement in red and what I stated "as uncalled for." I have a right to it. If you looked up the term barbaric it's a crude term to denote uncivlized and it was a prejudice term created by the Ancient Greeks for those outsiders...since I saw you quoted wiki---it's stated in wiki too. So in essence I was right to say they were racist pricks. I have problems with racist---no matter if they were in the past; that's just me. You might be okay by the term they used on people's different from them to show how superior and perfect they (Ancient Greeks) were. :S So no, I won't choose my words more carefully, because they were chosen for a specific reason.


Now I don't agree with vaberella's uber-intense tone when addressing this issue, but I think it's fairly obvious she was talking about Ancient Greeks. The past tense and the mention of Romans tipped me off at least, but I could be wrong.
You found me uber-intense? Racism and prejudice paticularly annoy me by those who consider themselves civilized and cultured...as the Ancient Greeks. But talking about History/Politics/Religion gets me all excited. :D


At any rate, I think the little keywords like "primitive" and "barbarians" (something that I believe westerners used to describe Mexicans and American Indians in the 1800s because of their wildly different cultural lifestyles) are used in a more classist manner, and probably have less to do with race - even if minimally so. It's definitely been a way of differentiating which group of people has more access to education, technology, etc. That's how I relate it to the Stargate universe anyway.

True, but I thought the term was mainly "Savages" to refer to the Mexicans and American Indians and Blacks (sometimes)? That's why there is talk of the "Noble Savage" <---utter non-sense. So now, I'm all intense again. :(

the dancer of spaz
August 8th, 2007, 08:06 AM
You found me uber-intense? Racism and prejudice paticularly annoy me by those who consider themselves civilized and cultured...as the Ancient Greeks. But talking about History/Politics/Religion gets me all excited. :D

Yeah, I found it uber-intense. :) Not enough to raise my blood pressure or lose sleep at night. More of a, "Whoa, OK," sort of thing. You're clearly passionate about the issue, but I can assure you that I can relate.


True, I thought the term was mainly "Savages" to refer to the Mexicans and American Indians and Blacks (sometimes)? That's why there is talk of the "Noble Savage" <---utter non-sense. So now, I'm all intense again. :(

I've heard "barbarians" and "savages." Both were applied because the men hunted for their food, the women were allowed to leave their house, and *gasp* were considered to be just as integral to the family's survival as the men. The Athosians strike me as having the same sort of nomadic, gender-neutral cultural practices.

ETA: As for Teyla's character development, as she awaits motherhood, it'd be cool if we heard more about her mother, and about her relationship with both of her parents.

vaberella
August 8th, 2007, 08:48 AM
Yeah, I found it uber-intense. :) Not enough to raise my blood pressure or lose sleep at night. More of a, "Whoa, OK," sort of thing. You're clearly passionate about the issue, but I can assure you that I can relate.

It's history. I love it. You should have know me in school (working on my masters and a few more bachelors----I'm crazy in my classes). We had this wicked class where I was Russia...
You had to choose a country and you can make alliances and create wars. It was a cool class. Of course I took China as an alliance and we went to war with Europe and America...I won (I could say "we" but China was reluctant---chicken, we still won)). It just needed reorganization. We had a small problem with what langauge would dominate. I allowed Chinese--I have a thing about the culture. :D

We had to follow the Vabby world order. It was fantastic.

***I know, I know...I spat on the Peace of Westphalia, but me don't care!!! :D



I've heard "barbarians" and "savages." Both were applied because the men hunted for their food, the women were allowed to leave their house, and *gasp* were considered to be just as integral to the family's survival as the men. The Athosians strike me as having the same sort of nomadic, gender-neutral cultural practices.

ETA: As for Teyla's character development, as she awaits motherhood, it'd be cool if we heard more about her mother, and about her relationship with both of her parents.

See I heard more so "savages" in relation to the natives of America. But I can see "barbarian" being used. I do agree with you in regards to the barbarian term for those who hunted. Yes the treatment of women is amazing, isn't it? I would have loved to be a Sioux or Aztec woman, they just had coolness. Of all the women Ethiopian----bloody hell to be Makeda...just for a day (the night she scored with Solomon) :D Oooh, to be one of the Aka Pygmy people---it would be wicked. The women are the hunterers and gatherers and the men stay home and breastfeed. Wicked isn't it?! Maybe for my anthropology thesis, I'll do an ethnography of them. :D

In relation to Teyla I fully agree. This is why I had to disagree with Teyilia's point. I don't want to relate the crude terminology of "barbarian" to her people, but her people do live as those of "barbarian" tribe. Much like Sioux people. They are nomadic, they live in tipis and using viking terminology, after watching Rising seem to have a Longhouse (or a Yurt-style) home; with the tipis for the families surrounding. Basically Teyla's people are a good melding of many hunter-gatherer cultures and their basic (nicer word for "primitive") living structure.

GateLadyM
August 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Just for fun - I looked up "Barbarian" in the Dictionary:

(In ancient and medieval periods) a. a non-Greek.
b. a person living outside, esp. north of, the Roman Empire. (Among Italians during the Renaissance) a person of non-Italian origin. (Loosely) a foreigner.

Barbarian - A Greek word used to denote one of another nation. The word more definitely designates those nations of the Roman empire that did not speak Greek. It simply refers to one speaking a different language. This word does not bear the meaning it does in modern times.

Modern barbarians would be bloodly and murderous. I wouldn't apply the word to Teyla's people. I would consider them as a "farming community". Since they had once been highly advanced (as the remnants of their city suggests), I would think it wouldn't take much for them to pick up technology.

Skydiver
August 8th, 2007, 09:44 AM
I won't deny that. But then, why would you be offended by someone calling your ancestors "racist <snip>"?

I haven't been, but some have been.

My ancestry is a soup of
dutch, french, indian, swedish and who knows what else. I'm sure at some point in my ancestry one 'side' of the family would have happily murdered the other side.

Still, that phrase (racist pricks) HAS offended people on this very thread.





That I wholeheartedly disagree with and find absolutely ridiculous on so many levels. It's human nature to probably be wary if not scared, of those who are physically different from you----that I won't deny. But for people to believe themselves "superior" to other's is something else entirely. (

They do it all the time. Minimizing one 'race' to promote one's own.

the europeans saw the native americans as 'primitives' to justify subjugating them. the romans did the same with anyone and everyone they invaded. One indian tribe would believe itself 'better' than those they are attacking and killing.

However...i do think that we are dramatically veering off the topic of teyla and season four. So let's get back to the speculation please, and leave the sociology for another thread

vaberella
August 8th, 2007, 09:46 AM
Just for fun - I looked up "Barbarian" in the Dictionary:

(In ancient and medieval periods) a. a non-Greek.
b. a person living outside, esp. north of, the Roman Empire. (Among Italians during the Renaissance) a person of non-Italian origin. (Loosely) a foreigner.

Barbarian - A Greek word used to denote one of another nation. The word more definitely designates those nations of the Roman empire that did not speak Greek. It simply refers to one speaking a different language. This word does not bear the meaning it does in modern times.

Modern barbarians would be bloodly and murderous. I wouldn't apply the word to Teyla's people. I would consider them as a "farming community". Since they had once been highly advanced (as the remnants of their city suggests), I would think it wouldn't take much for them to pick up technology.


Where are there modern "barbarians" to mean the above? Do you mean the modern terminology of "barbarians"? I will say, as I stated earlier the Barbarian Age/era/period (this is speaking in context to the European tribes ---described as barbarians in some history books) was pretty bloody, in effect murderous. But when you break them down to communities (because they were communities of people), and from what we know of the Vikings, Anglo (Angles), Gauls and so on and so forth---because there were many of them. They had farming communities and were established albeit "primitive" civilizations, some of which were also nomadic. Teyla's people therefore most likely fall into that category.

Lastly, the "barbarian" definition you have and it's origin is pretty clean for something that has an extremely negative connation. But it does mean those outside Greece, but from all the texts I've read it wasn't "only" in relation to language. It's like the n word for those of african descent, it's like "mudblood" for humans in HP (:D). It's interesting how different books, different writers write aspects of history. Well what can one say, people are taught in some schools that the Statue of Liberty was painted green. :S


I haven't been, but some have been.

My ancestry is a soup of
dutch, french, indian, swedish and who knows what else. I'm sure at some point in my ancestry one 'side' of the family would have happily murdered the other side.

Still, that phrase (racist pricks) HAS offended people on this very thread.

Probably offensive in the sense crude. But I don't see offensive in the sense of personal affront to one's ancestry. I can totally relate to mixed ancestry, of the ones I know, I have German, French, Spanish and african slave of probably many countries---but 100% Haitian. It's cool, but my whole happy claim to fame is the fact that several of my great to the 6th or 7th power family members were participants in the 13 year Haitian Revolution. I know several of one side murdered the other. :( It was in the midst of guerilla warfare...what can be done. :S


They do it all the time. Minimizing one 'race' to promote one's own.

the europeans saw the native americans as 'primitives' to justify subjugating them. the romans did the same with anyone and everyone they invaded. One indian tribe would believe itself 'better' than those they are attacking and killing.

However...i do think that we are dramatically veering off the topic of teyla and season four. So let's get back to the speculation please, and leave the sociology for another thread


You're not entirely correct in regards to the Romans. It's not full proof in regards to the Indian tribe, because many of them lived quite well for centuries within Americas (their fights were mainly territorial; again the dominance is less towards race and more about war then) until the Europeans came along. As for the Europeans and American Indians, Africans, and basically everyone else---you're correct.

But sure, back to Teyla. :D I shall omitt from the history tirades. :D

PG15
August 9th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Here (http://www.scifiquest.com/stargateatlantis/culttimesaug2007-stargateatlantis.php)'s an interview of Rachel Luttrell from ScifiQuest. Special thanks to morjana of SG1-Spoilergate for the heads up.

Some spoilerish highlights:


Indeed, the writers jumped at the chance to incorporate Luttrell's little bundle of joy into Teyla's arc.

"I'm so glad they did because it has given them these wonderful storylines and given me interesting shades to portray as an actor," says Luttrell. "Yeah, this will be one of the most colourful years for my character."

Usually the tough and determined warrior, could any maternal or nurturing instincts mean a softer Teyla?

"It is interesting you should say that because in my initial meetings with our producers, Brad Wright and Paul Mullie, they had said prior to finding out the news, the direction they wanted to take the character was quite dark and this season would be much weightier,"reveals Luttrell. "Teyla was not necessarily going to be vengeful and angry but those layers that are not light are going to start to play out. That is something they really wanted to work on and they haven't fully abandoned that. It has been something that has
been a threat throughout the first episodes, certainly in regard to the storyline in which she finds herself. This other layer, which is quite a huge one, of motherhood, is now adding an antithesis to the weight of that dark side. It is giving me a lot of interesting things to play with. So at the moment, no, we are not really playing with that lighter side. She is still
edging her way through the whole realization. "

With the father's identity unknown, could those Wraith genes affect her unborn baby?

"Well it will. In the episode we are shooting right now, it plays in quite a bit."

In addition, Teyla and Sheppard have undeniably shared a special bond, perhaps even bordering on romantic feelings, and her circumstances will only strengthen that relationship..

"We shot a scene a couple of days ago and Joe [Flanigan] and I were talking about the whole pregnancy. He said, 'You know what I think is going on is there is a lot of jealousy in terms of my own character and what that means for the two of them and their relationship. It is going to be interesting.'"

In Weirs absence, Colonel Samantha Carter has left Stargates military base on Earth to help run Atlantis. As the only two females on the core team, Teyla and Weir became fast friends so it becomes almost like starting over with Carter.

" Teyla and Carter are kind of on wobbly legs in terms of their relationship. In my mind, because Teyla had really grown to trust Dr Weir, they had a very trustful and respectful relationship as two strong women. Now that Carter has come in, there is a little bit of uncertainty. But we haven't had an opportunity to explore that. I hope that we do. I get along so wonderfully with Amanda and our characters could have a very cool dynamic."

Besides any personal and internal adjustments, Atlantis will find itself under attack by some familiar enemies and new space menaces.

"Oh gosh, the new villains. We encounter one in particular in Missing and they are called the Bola Kai.And you know what I like in them? I don't know if you watched Serenity, but they are sort of a tamed down version of the Reavers with a little more humanity. At least in their mythology. It is the same kind of brutality, it is the potential cannabilism. So we encounter that. They are the ones I fight, so it is pretty intense and great. Then the Replicators are a big force thus far. They are tying into Torri's storyline and how she is kind of potentially being taken over by that, so a great ally and friend may be shifting into something quite different. That is an interesting enemy. We'll see."

vaberella
August 9th, 2007, 06:11 PM
^^ Thanks again PG.

Now I'll give my input on a few points. Well as a JTer I am excited by this. I'm borderline feeling vindicated and uber excited over the future "jealousy" since I think the kid isn't human, he'd be jealous of a wraith baby. But if Teyla is not talking he's going to want to know and probably be jealous assuming it's a guy. Good to know we'll be touching a bit on that.

I love her answer in regards to Weir. RL basically confirmed what I always expected. Weir and Teyla are far from friends and chummy. They respect and trust each other, that's undeniable, but for them to have a friendship. Unrealistic as that has never been shown on screen. The writers have tried to elude to it on screen but unfortunately it never came across for me. They were just not friends. I would have loved to see them as such, but 3 years way too late. But the respect is there...even if Weir disregards 99.9% of everything Teyla has ever said or warned against. ~sigh~

All in all, great looking out. I'm really looking forward to what's ahead, although except for the John stuff, I was aware of everything else. I hope the writers bother to develop a friendship at least between Sam and Teyla. Since after previewing missing I get the impression that Teyla will become quite close to Keller (facing deaths door together does that to a person.

As for the baby thing... RUFS pay up!!! I think my theory on Teyla's the daddy too might be true. Her DNA plays a part. I was right, I was right, I was right. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/woohoo.gifhttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/ballet.gif


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Landers
August 10th, 2007, 07:08 AM
The whole "jealousy" thing is a big turn-off for me. I was looking forward to Teyla having new experiences and growing as a character, but now all this Sheppard is jealous and this pregnancy will drive them together ruins everything I was looking forward to. It just proves that the writers only know how to work with Teyla by making her someone's love interest.

I just want Teyla to be strong and stand up on her own and grow as a person.

the dancer of spaz
August 10th, 2007, 07:26 AM
All in all, great looking out. I'm really looking forward to what's ahead, although except for the John stuff, I was aware of everything else. I hope the writers bother to develop a friendship at least between Sam and Teyla. Since after previewing missing I get the impression that Teyla will become quite close to Keller (facing deaths door together does that to a person.


I was actually hoping for that uncertainty between Sam and Teyla, so I'm glad. :) It took Liz and Teyla a while to get close, and then all of a sudden Liz is displaced... Had Sam and Teyla automatically been friends or friendly (as are the actors in real life), it would've come off as a bit fake and OTT.

I seems like Keller will be the driving force for new friendships, though. I can see her and Teyla bonding over the ordeal in "Missing," and it's been said that she and Sam will become friends.

Perhaps towards the end of the season Sam will have proven herself to Teyla, and Teyla can then open up to Sam a bit more. :)

And Landers, I know what you mean by it seeming childish. But I think there are moments in relationships between expecting couples when some guys get a bit childishly jealous over the possibilities of losing that one-on-one attention. It's realistic, even if it is a bit immature on Sheppard's part.

In this case, I don't think it's necessarily the romantic one-on-one attention that Sheppard will miss out on, but the very personal, very connected relationship they've always had will have to take a backseat.

Shippers can have a blast with that statement though, I'm sure. :P

Ruffles
August 10th, 2007, 08:19 AM
RUFS[/size] pay up!!! I think my theory on Teyla's the daddy too might be true. Her DNA plays a part. I was right, I was right, I was right. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/woohoo.gifhttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/vaberella/ballet.gif



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*snorts* Not yet. It's TEYLA's Wraith gene they are referencing. I'm still going with human dad. I didn't hear anything in there about George.

Does anyone know what ep they were filming when she did this interview?


In this case, I don't think it's necessarily the romantic one-on-one attention that Sheppard will miss out on, but the very personal, very connected relationship they've always had will have to take a backseat.

That's the way I see it too. Kinda like your best friend getting married. Priorities will shift, and the team dynamic will change.

the dancer of spaz
August 10th, 2007, 08:26 AM
That's the way I see it too. Kinda like your best friend getting married. Priorities will shift, and the team dynamic will change.

Yep. And if you're of the belief that they're all one big family, the best friend/sibling-esque relationships that all the characters have could play a role as well. I wonder how Ronon will handle the news.

For Sheppard, I think Teyla is a grounding force, an anchor. He always has to coddle Rodney, keep an eye on Ronon, and support Elizabeth in her command. Of all the characters, Teyla's friendship doesn't require a whole lot of energy.

He doesn't have to worry about propriety and professionalism like he does with Elizabeth. He doesn't have to keep up the witty banter like he does with Rodney. He doesn't have to keep her in line like he does Ronon.

It's just there. Simple, sometimes understated. And now her attention will forever be focused elsewhere, on another little person who will more than likely be in danger a lot of time. I personally think it's interesting that JF chose to go that route. It's a very human approach to the characters' situation.

Ruffles
August 10th, 2007, 08:39 AM
Yep. And if you're of the belief that they're all one big family, the best friend/sibling-esque relationships that all the characters have could play a role as well. I wonder how Ronon will handle the news.

For Sheppard, I think Teyla is a grounding force, an anchor. He always has to coddle Rodney, keep an eye on Ronon, and support Elizabeth in her command. Of all the characters, Teyla's friendship doesn't require a whole lot of energy.

He doesn't have to worry about propriety and professionalism like he does with Elizabeth. He doesn't have to keep up the witty banter like he does with Rodney. He doesn't have to keep her in line like he does Ronon.

It's just there. Simple, sometimes understated. And now her attention will forever be focused elsewhere, on another little person who will more than likely be in danger a lot of time. I personally think it's interesting that JF chose to go that route. It's a very human approach to the characters' situation.

Get out of my brain! That's exactly how I see them, all of them (oooo, sibling-esque! - good word). Many times she is the voice of reason (Irresponsible), the calm in the storm that is her team. Someone like that is easy to take for granted. I suspect their world (especially Shep's and Ronon's) will be turned upside down.

Killdeer
August 10th, 2007, 08:40 AM
Yep. And if you're of the belief that they're all one big family, the best friend/sibling-esque relationships that all the characters have could play a role as well. I wonder how Ronon will handle the news.

For Sheppard, I think Teyla is a grounding force, an anchor. He always has to coddle Rodney, keep an eye on Ronon, and support Elizabeth in her command. Of all the characters, Teyla's friendship doesn't require a whole lot of energy.

He doesn't have to worry about propriety and professionalism like he does with Elizabeth. He doesn't have to keep up the witty banter like he does with Rodney. He doesn't have to keep her in line like he does Ronon.

It's just there. Simple, sometimes understated. And now her attention will forever be focused elsewhere, on another little person who will more than likely be in danger a lot of time. I personally think it's interesting that JF chose to go that route. It's a very human approach to the characters' situation.

I could happily handle it if that is the road they took, because I do see Shep and Teyla as being very close friends, and I agree - he depends on her a lot. I just don't see it as romantic, and I'll have a hard time if they go down that road. After all this time, it will feel rather forced. I see them more as maybe a Buffy & Xander thing, if you'll forgive the comparison.

the dancer of spaz
August 10th, 2007, 08:48 AM
I do disagree a little on one point - I don't really see his friendship with Rodney being a hardship for him. I doubt they'd spend so much time together in their off time if Shep was only tolerating him. Shep does do a lot of supporting of Rodney, though, I agree on that. I'd like to see that reversed a little - Rodney supporting Shep. That's why I'm hoping Rodney is the one to go back with Shep in the earth based episode. But that's getting off track for this thread. :)

ETA: I don't think the OT stuff is that big of a deal!

Oh, I know what you mean. :) And I don't think it's necessarily a hardship. But it does seem, at least in my opinion, to be very much a brotherhood dynamic. Sheppard, to me, is like the older brother who has to keep the brother he loves out of trouble, encouraging him to be a better person, to do the right thing, etc. McKay's kinda needy, and sometimes he needs a kick in the rear. :P

But I totally agree about the earth-based episode. That'll be a great opportunity for Rodney to reciprocate and be John's support, considering we've never really seen John open up about that before. I'm really looking forward to an episode where the two characters can be serious about their twu feewings, without the protective wall of sarcasm and banter. Should be pretty good.

Killdeer
August 10th, 2007, 08:54 AM
ETA: I don't think the OT stuff is that big of a deal!

Oh, I know what you mean. :) And I don't think it's necessarily a hardship. But it does seem, at least in my opinion, to be very much a brotherhood dynamic. Sheppard, to me, is like the older brother who has to keep the brother he loves out of trouble, encouraging him to be a better person, to do the right thing, etc. McKay's kinda needy, and sometimes he needs a kick in the rear. :P

I'd agree on that. Totally a brothers dynamic. :)


But I totally agree about the earth-based episode. That'll be a great opportunity for Rodney to reciprocate and be John's support, considering we've never really seen John open up about that before. I'm really looking forward to an episode where the two characters can be serious about their twu feewings, without the protective wall of sarcasm and banter. Should be pretty good.

It would be awesome to see that. *crossing fingers*

Ruffles
August 10th, 2007, 08:56 AM
ETA: I don't think the OT stuff is that big of a deal!

Oh, I know what you mean. :) And I don't think it's necessarily a hardship. But it does seem, at least in my opinion, to be very much a brotherhood dynamic. Sheppard, to me, is like the older brother who has to keep the brother he loves out of trouble, encouraging him to be a better person, to do the right thing, etc. McKay's kinda needy, and sometimes he needs a kick in the rear. :P

But I totally agree about the earth-based episode. That'll be a great opportunity for Rodney to reciprocate and be John's support, considering we've never really seen John open up about that before. I'm really looking forward to an episode where the two characters can be serious about their twu feewings, without the protective wall of sarcasm and banter. Should be pretty good.

Still in my brain I see. ;)

the dancer of spaz
August 10th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Still in my brain I see. ;)

Sorry!

*packs up suitcase and heads to the door*

:P

vaberella
August 10th, 2007, 09:01 AM
The whole "jealousy" thing is a big turn-off for me. I was looking forward to Teyla having new experiences and growing as a character, but now all this Sheppard is jealous and this pregnancy will drive them together ruins everything I was looking forward to. It just proves that the writers only know how to work with Teyla by making her someone's love interest.

I just want Teyla to be strong and stand up on her own and grow as a person.

As both a shipper and an objective viewer, since I can do both quite well. I think the term "jealousy" is a misnomer first off. Secondly, you're jumping to some crazy conclusions. "Jealousy" is not written into the script, this JF's interpretation of certain aspects of the storyline and how that would be with their relationship. I have stated this in another thread, but I'll state it again here. We know from The Seer spoilers that Teyla hasn't told anyone for a while about the pregnancy. John could feel a sense of jealousy by the fact that she didn't trust him enough to confide in him...that has nothing to do with romantic intentions, that's just friendship.

Secondly, where have you seen that the only way they could write Teyla is as someone's love interest?! You basically have proven you may not be paying attention to the character. The character on countless occasions and in the past three seasons has proven that she is extremely independent, a strong sense of compassion and justice, intelligent, powerful, and on some level a growth. Especially when comparing Teyla from S1 to S3---Teyla who were two different people. There was no talk of love interest or romantic intentions here. I have been jealous of my friends who have shown attention to someone else. Shoot sometimes I get jealous of my sisters friends and the amount of attention she gives them, but I don't think I want to marry my sister. The point being that friends could feel just the same sort of emotion especially when some secrets aren't shared or there seems a breaking of a bond.

I don't see how this is a problem and in some way undermines Teyla's character. In any event, as I stated I find it to be a misnomer.


I was actually hoping for that uncertainty between Sam and Teyla, so I'm glad. :) It took Liz and Teyla a while to get close, and then all of a sudden Liz is displaced... Had Sam and Teyla automatically been friends or friendly (as are the actors in real life), it would've come off as a bit fake and OTT.
That was a definite gimme though. We knew John/Ronon/McKay would have a problem with Carter----Teyla would definitely be on the list. We saw how she was in S1 with the Atlantis team, I'm sure we'll be seeing a revisit of that Teyla in regards to Carter...which should be fun.


I seems like Keller will be the driving force for new friendships, though. I can see her and Teyla bonding over the ordeal in "Missing," and it's been said that she and Sam will become friends.

Perhaps towards the end of the season Sam will have proven herself to Teyla, and Teyla can then open up to Sam a bit more. :)

That will be interesting to see, and I hope they do a much better job with Teyla/Sam than they ever did with Teyla/Weir. The women need to be bonded more. I adore the Keller character, she's a good fixture on the SGA Ex.


And Landers, I know what you mean by it seeming childish. But I think there are moments in relationships between expecting couples when some guys get a bit childishly jealous over the possibilities of losing that one-on-one attention. It's realistic, even if it is a bit immature on Sheppard's part.

In this case, I don't think it's necessarily the romantic one-on-one attention that Sheppard will miss out on, but the very personal, very connected relationship they've always had will have to take a backseat.

Shippers can have a blast with that statement though, I'm sure. :P

Exactly, that we can. But realisticaly and you've stated something similar to what I've stated in the Pro JT thread. This is just an extention of an established connection perpetuated since S1. I don't see why there should even be a response in the negative. Teyla and John were amazing in Sateda, end of story. They were great in Phantoms, great in Sunday. It has nothing to do with romance on that end but just a really close bond built on blood and life altering experiences and plus he may find it easier to confide in her as he has in the past. I think again some people are jumping to conclusions.

Although I won't deny that some shippers are a bit loony about things, I like a nice level of realism. What some people may not get is that some of us shippers (I count myself in this) see the relationship as the most viable romantic relationship in the far distant future. I don't need a single bit of immediate gratification, actually I would hate it. I like long developed and sincere relationships----examples of this are like Harm/Mac--JAG and Scully/Mulder--X-Files. There are moments though that I just think add proof to the pudding. S1 - S3 had many moments of that, I think S4 will provide the same. :)

RUFS!!! Admit it...you're quaking in your boots. :D

Ruffles
August 10th, 2007, 10:05 AM
As both a shipper and an objective viewer, since I can do both quite well. I think the term "jealousy" is a misnomer first off. Secondly, you're jumping to some crazy conclusions. "Jealousy" is not written into the script, this JF's interpretation of certain aspects of the storyline and how that would be with their relationship. I have stated this in another thread, but I'll state it again here. We know from The Seer spoilers that Teyla hasn't told anyone for a while about the pregnancy. John could feel a sense of jealousy by the fact that she didn't trust him enough to confide in him...that has nothing to do with romantic intentions, that's just friendship.

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Exactly, that we can. But realisticaly and you've stated something similar to what I've stated in the Pro JT thread. This is just an extention of an established connection perpetuated since S1. I don't see why there should even be a response in the negative. Teyla and John were amazing in Sateda, end of story. They were great in Phantoms, great in Sunday. It has nothing to do with romance on that end but just a really close bond built on blood and life altering experiences and plus he may find it easier to confide in her as he has in the past. I think again some people are jumping to conclusions.

RUFS!!! Admit it...you're quaking in your boots. :D

You wish! *hugs Vabi* I stand firm in my belief that Unknown Guy is the dad. Maybe UG has the ATA gene and it reacts badly to her Wraith DNA.... Ooooo, a part Wraith, part Ancient baby....

I do agree with the bolded statements above. Shep's admitted (in the fabulous Sateda) that they are his family. They've been to hell and back together, and I think Teyla holds a special place in his heart (and I don't mean in a romantic way).

Princess Awinita
August 10th, 2007, 04:38 PM
can I do a little bit of venting here, thankyou....

ahem....

I saw the ad off the front page of gateworld and something caught my eyes, what I mean is, Teyla in black leather?

my thought, black leather = waitaminute!

that does not look like Teyla at all, to me the ideal outfit for going offworld for Teyla is that blue(or the leopard print) tanktop from S2 & S3, why did they put her in black leather? It doesn't look like her.

I base this on my own life as Teyla over here does not even LIKE black leather, and John and Ronon both say then if she ever wears the stuff she looks more like a Setadan then a Athosian.

I am thinking they are right.

Now I have a little bit of a contest, the first person to tell me the name of the episode that has Teyla in black leather(at all) gets a green and a big hug from me

that is all from me

vaberella
August 10th, 2007, 05:32 PM
can I do a little bit of venting here, thankyou....

ahem....

I saw the ad off the front page of gateworld and something caught my eyes, what I mean is, Teyla in black leather?

my thought, black leather = waitaminute!

that does not look like Teyla at all, to me the ideal outfit for going offworld for Teyla is that blue(or the leopard print) tanktop from S2 & S3, why did they put her in black leather? It doesn't look like her.

I base this on my own life as Teyla over here does not even LIKE black leather, and John and Ronon both say then if she ever wears the stuff she looks more like a Setadan then a Athosian.

I am thinking they are right.

What are you talking about? You totally lost me with this whole "Ronon and John would say...".

She would look great in black leather. The groups of people are not "color coated". Excuse the pun. In any event, she looks fine and looks like Teyla and since I know she's an Athosian, then I associate her, no matter her garb as one.


Now I have a little bit of a contest, the first person to tell me the name of the episode that has Teyla in black leather(at all) gets a green and a big hug from me

that is all from me

It's Kindred I.

The links for pics:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_bu0vVgPPyEs/RrusDO6m_cI/AAAAAAAAEUk/W97ssK5Gf1o/s1600-h/DSC07989.JPG

http://bp2.blogger.com/_bu0vVgPPyEs/RrurB-6m_bI/AAAAAAAAEUc/7GbucrCtw44/s1600-h/DSC07984.JPG

The link of the date of the paticular post:
http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-9-2007.html

What makes it dynamic and sets it apart from Satedan, to make you feel better is that it's black leather and lace. Satedan's don't wear lace from what I saw. Teyla always has to add that extra spice to play up her feminity but show her strength with the leather and knife. That's just the way she rolls!!! :D

Princess Awinita
August 10th, 2007, 05:48 PM
well blame the Quantum Mirror its busted and I can't go back now! hehe, and it is Kindred I? and that is the first time we see Teyla offworld in black leather? yay thanks!

it was also just a little vent I had to let out, I guess being without Teyla for a few days is starting to get to me... :eek: anyway thanks and gree nfor you Vab!!

Ruffles
August 10th, 2007, 07:23 PM
A kind whumper (no, that isn't an oxymoron) has capped the ComicCon vid. I post the first link (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6982331&postcount=90298) here to direct you to the first photo. It's not black, but it looks like leather. Must have gone shopping.

seldear
August 10th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Shep's admitted (in the fabulous Sateda) that they are his family. They've been to hell and back together, and I think Teyla holds a special place in his heart (and I don't mean in a romantic way).*g* See, I do mean in a romantic way. Or I might. Sometimes. Occasionally. :)

But on a non-shippy level, yes, I think that the team is very much family, and that Teyla would still be considered "different" and "special" to the guys because she's female (and because she's Teyla).

So, yes, I'm interested in how the guys are going to respond to the news of her pregnancy; and I'd love to see their attitude towards a guy who showed a romantic interest. Rodney particularly, because you know John will be civil but slightly suspicious (and, in my shippy books, a little emotionally jealous), Ronon will be uncivil and protective...but Rodney could be anywhere between, "Uhuh. Look, can you stop bothering me and let me finish these computations? This is very delicate work!" and "Teyla? In love? Really? With whom?"

I think there's a lot more to Teyla than merely being John's romantic interest (which, granted, he's shown more emotional openness to her than anyone else, but that only tells us that he entrusts her with the parts of him that he doesn't entrust to Rodney, Ronon, Elizabeth, Carson, or anyone else in the show - which is more about Teyla as a trustworthy friend).

Sure, the pregnancy is going to be significant, but so, I gather, is her Wraithgene, and her people's disappearance. I've heard rumours that she's really going to get to display the technical side that was touched on in Phantoms and hopefully they reiterate on her leadership of the city when the usual Earth authorities are absent.

Sel.

Princess Awinita
August 10th, 2007, 08:10 PM
A kind whumper (no, that isn't an oxymoron) has capped the ComicCon vid. I post the first link (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=6982331&postcount=90298) here to direct you to the first photo. It's not black, but it looks like leather. Must have gone shopping.

thankyou for the link, it really helps, fact is that IS leather but not black, and thanks again Vasberella for the clearing up of thwe first ep when she is in black.

Mitchell82
August 12th, 2007, 12:34 PM
*g* See, I do mean in a romantic way. Or I might. Sometimes. Occasionally. :)

But on a non-shippy level, yes, I think that the team is very much family, and that Teyla would still be considered "different" and "special" to the guys because she's female (and because she's Teyla).

So, yes, I'm interested in how the guys are going to respond to the news of her pregnancy; and I'd love to see their attitude towards a guy who showed a romantic interest. Rodney particularly, because you know John will be civil but slightly suspicious (and, in my shippy books, a little emotionally jealous), Ronon will be uncivil and protective...but Rodney could be anywhere between, "Uhuh. Look, can you stop bothering me and let me finish these computations? This is very delicate work!" and "Teyla? In love? Really? With whom?"

I think there's a lot more to Teyla than merely being John's romantic interest (which, granted, he's shown more emotional openness to her than anyone else, but that only tells us that he entrusts her with the parts of him that he doesn't entrust to Rodney, Ronon, Elizabeth, Carson, or anyone else in the show - which is more about Teyla as a trustworthy friend).

Sure, the pregnancy is going to be significant, but so, I gather, is her Wraithgene, and her people's disappearance. I've heard rumours that she's really going to get to display the technical side that was touched on in Phantoms and hopefully they reiterate on her leadership of the city when the usual Earth authorities are absent.

Sel.

Agreed. Teyla is really shaping up and this season proves to be very good for her.

Linda06
August 13th, 2007, 10:07 AM
Looks like this is gonna be such a good season for Teyla,i for 1 am very happy about that and leather too......mmmmmmmmmmmmm leather *drools*

You can never have too much leather!

seldear
August 13th, 2007, 06:26 PM
Okay, so which episodes are slated to have significant amounts of Teyla?

I know that Missing features Teyla and Keller, and that The Seer involves acknowledgement of Teyla's pregnancy...

What about episodes that involve Teyla but aren't about her being pregnant? Episodes about her people? Episodes in which she plays a significant part?

Are there any of those? All I know is the most general of details: that there'll be more Teyla in this season than last season. But, right now, I'm thinking that's not too difficult - all Teyla has to do is appear in every episode and that's still going to be "more Teyla" than there was in Season Three!

Other than the two episodes I've mentioned above, which episodes are slated to have Teyla play a major role? Are there any episodes other than those two?

Sel.

Princess Awinita
August 13th, 2007, 06:47 PM
I'm assuming she plays a good part in Doppleganger, as well as Lifeline, Travelers(possibly), as well as Adrift for all I know, and Seer is after Missing, but when does the whole Alien spoof happen?

seldear
August 13th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Well, I actually mailed JM my inquiry, and he said that while the 2nd half of Season Four will be team-centric episodes, Teyla has a major arc in it.

I suspect it will mostly be pertaining to her pregnancy, though...

Sel.

vaberella
August 14th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Well, I actually mailed JM my inquiry, and he said that while the 2nd half of Season Four will be team-centric episodes, Teyla has a major arc in it.

I suspect it will mostly be pertaining to her pregnancy, though...

Sel.

Actually I believe you're incorrect there Sel, in your suspicions that is.

**I know I've been pulled back in, but I can't leave my fellow shipper and Teyla lover in the dark. :D

The Teyla, parasite-daddy (it's Teyla or a parasite though) and everyone knowing about her pregnancy is basically rectified in the first half of the season. JM has said they're uncertain where they will go with Teyla's pregnancy and by the end of the season there's no talk on that.


Ruffles writes: “Do you have any guest star casting news that you can share? Will the origins of Teyla's pregnancy be hinted at in early S4 or will The Seer be the first reveal? And will we actually find out the origins or will you keep us guessing? Any other instances of Shep Whump you can share?”

Answers: Nope. Hinted, yes. We’ll find out almost immediately.
May 27, 2007


Iamza writes: “May I take this to mean that the wraith will also be making more of an appearance in season 4? Also, are there more stories in the works about the Athosians?”

Answer: Yes on both counts.
March 2, 2007

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Now the posts above are to show that the baby situation to me will be taken care of early on. We'll know why she got pregnant and who (which I doubt there is--except for George), if there is one,----those are the main questions of the fans anyway, besides if the kid will go through term. What more could they do with the storyline this season besides giving us those two answers. Not much more. We'd just have to wait until she gives birth and JM has said that Teyla will be pregnant throughout...


Anonymous #1 writes: “Is Teyla's pregnancy a season long thing, or will she be back to her wraith-kicking self before the end of season 4?”

Answer: Since Rachel will be pregnant throughout the shooting of season four, the Teyla character will also be pregnant through most of the season.

Again, what more in storyline can they give us for her pregnancy if she's pregnant throughout and we know why and who the daddy is...she's not going to give birth so we won't know if it's human or not---maybe the (father) might be playing a role in knowing whether it's human or not. Then again...all we'd have to see if she carries it to term. Again, as of early on in the season, possibly the first half (as we'll find out "almost immediately") there's nothing left along those lines. All that is left is her abilities, her past experiences and her people who can introduce the team to many things in the PG.

Remember compared to the first half of the season, the second half is an enigma. We know a few things and have a few hints here or there. So we don't know what storylines are out there where she's a major component except I know she plays a major part in Kindred I, since JM posted clips of her in her leather and lace outfit.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/08/august-9-2007.html

But really, we just got the order of the eps yesterday, but basically we've only had a little bit here and there. There has been no talk on Spoils of War--last thing mentioned was in June (and we know Lorne's name but nothing else), no talk on Harmony--still in the writing process, not much on Midway--nothing definite just a set has been built but no talk on the storyline, snippets of Quarantine--ugh, Katie Brown is a alive and spending it with McKay (poor choice in my book---McKay and her ficus' would make for better conversation) [and various members stuck together but nothing else], no name for the Finale...

I mean it's a bit early to even be asking about those eps since JM hasn't spoken about them at all. I think their still working on the filming of these eps to tell you the truth. Nothing is complete yet. So everything is still open. Really the most we know is for Trio and Outcast and maybe Quarantine but everything else is a mystery and we don't know what other storylines are waiting out there for the other characters.

In any event, I don't think the second half will be dominated by the pregnancy or have even a big focus. I'm still trying to figure how important the kid is if Teyla is in the line of fire (she gets hit by a wraith gun---wonder what that does to a baby). Plus, with the lack of information on the second half of the seasons shows, and basically many of them not even filmed yet (if even written :D)---I'd say we'd have to wait and see what they come up with and if JM will be giving us some more info.

What I do for my fellow JT fans and buddies...~sigh~

seldear
August 15th, 2007, 01:26 AM
VB, if I wasn't already snowed under on the writing front, I'd offer to write you your Teyla or John/Teyla fic of choice.

*smooches*

Thanks hon!

Sel.

DONNA BOOTH
August 15th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Thanks Vabs for explaining that as i was beginning to get a little confused about all of the diffrent spoilers and speculations

gaterider
August 24th, 2007, 12:31 PM
:cameron:I am going for sheppard or maybe ronan.

butt who do you guys think knocked up teyla?

and more importantent when did it happen?

and may be depending if there is a father involved how (in case we get another vala thing going on)?

IcyNeko
August 24th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Spoilers Ya Think? Maybe? Jesus.

vaberella
August 24th, 2007, 12:40 PM
There are four threads discussing this man. Come on...search engine. Search engine.

Oh wait..newbie!! :rolleyes: There's a search engine on the top right hand..find it and use it, please.

the dancer of spaz
August 24th, 2007, 01:02 PM
Spoilers Ya Think? Maybe? Jesus.

LOL. If someone hasn't heard this news yet, I really want to see the size and density of the rock they've been living under.

Mitchell82
August 24th, 2007, 04:32 PM
LOL. If someone hasn't heard this news yet, I really want to see the size and density of the rock they've been living under.

No kidding. It'd need to be the "Avalon" cave.

Princess Awinita
August 24th, 2007, 04:38 PM
currently there are two possiblites that I remember reading about.

1 The first being most likely DP Shep during Teyla dream in that episode, it might just be me so I'm just saying what is on my mind here

2 the other possiblity is Michael, though he does not appear until the latter half of the season, so for as we know now,...

we know next to nothing of whdunit to Teyla

I'm done, and again worried that they might write her out of the series, if they do that i'm not watching the series anymore, Teyla is my fav character! it is not Atlantis without her, heck i have yet to watch Grace Under Pressure and it has been what three years now since that episode aired?

anyway there are my thought and I will now back out of the talks, though I will watch this thread, everyone has very good thoughts to voice

Linda06
August 25th, 2007, 06:26 AM
currently there are two possiblites that I remember reading about.

1 The first being most likely DP Shep during Teyla dream in that episode, it might just be me so I'm just saying what is on my mind here

2 the other possiblity is Michael, though he does not appear until the latter half of the season, so for as we know now,...

we know next to nothing of whdunit to Teyla

I'm done, and again worried that they might write her out of the series, if they do that i'm not watching the series anymore, Teyla is my fav character! it is not Atlantis without her, heck i have yet to watch Grace Under Pressure and it has been what three years now since that episode aired?

anyway there are my thought and I will now back out of the talks, though I will watch this thread, everyone has very good thoughts to voice

I don't think have anything to worry about Kitty,i can't see them writing her out of the show,if they did there would be an awful lot of VERY unhappy campers out there!

Mitchell82
August 25th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I don't think have anything to worry about Kitty,i can't see them writing her out of the show,if they did there would be an awful lot of VERY unhappy campers out there!

Yeah and enough to doom the show IMO.

seldear
August 25th, 2007, 07:43 PM
I don't think have anything to worry about Kitty,i can't see them writing her out of the show,if they did there would be an awful lot of VERY unhappy campers out there!On top of all the OTHER very unhappy campers, you mean?

No, I'm quite sure there are no plans to write Teyla/Rachel out of the show. They've found their "team" - now they're going to develop it, and Teyla. Thank heavens.

Sel.

Linda06
August 26th, 2007, 09:37 AM
On top of all the OTHER very unhappy campers, you mean?

No, I'm quite sure there are no plans to write Teyla/Rachel out of the show. They've found their "team" - now they're going to develop it, and Teyla. Thank heavens.

Sel.


YES,thank goodness they're finally goin to develop Teyla more...Not before timehttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n153/Linda0606/Atlantis%20Smileys/Teyla%20smileys/teyla_cheerful.gif

seldear
August 31st, 2007, 02:31 AM
YES,thank goodness they're finally goin to develop Teyla more...Not before timehttp://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n153/Linda0606/Atlantis%20Smileys/Teyla%20smileys/teyla_cheerful.gifAll righty, experimental question for the masses.

How would all the Teyla-fans out there have developed Teyla in Seasons One-to-Three if you'd been the writers/PTB?

I'm asking without reference to contracts or storylines, actor availability, production limitations, budget, anything.

What would you have done with Teyla before this? You can keep as much or as little of the current storyline of Atlantis as you like!

Sel.

vaberella
August 31st, 2007, 03:37 AM
Well S1, would remain as is. This is her introduction and it worked well. They were introducing a lot of characters and trying to flesh them out and I think when it came to Teyla they really gave her a good intro. I felt she was to do more in episodes like The Storm/The Eye, but it gave a really good fleshing out of Shep/Ford/McKay so I wasn't too worried about that. S1 was from what I saw of many of the eps a Teyla season. So S1 was good for her.

S4, from what I'm hearing of it, should have been the S2 of the season, but with episodes like Runner added to it. The reason I say this is because Teyla and Ronon would provide the storyline. You can't make a PG storyline with the SGA Ex. They provide nothing except in the sense of the fumbling idiot who causes more problems than they fix. It would lead to a better fleshing out of characters. Weir's role would then be minimized, John would be given more story as would McKay through the mishaps and or adventures that are induced through Teyla and Ronon's relationships in the PG. Now, I'm not saying that Teyla would be developed through a man, because I see none of that although I've heard that non-sense. I just get the feeling it's funs who want to marginalize the character so they can feel better about the changes.

I find that Teyla and Ronon provide storyline because we are in the PG and as such makes them mediators between the PG and the SGA Ex, without them they don't have an "in" to many societies. If S4 concept was put in the S2 bracket, we wouldn't have the Teyla pregnancy so that storyline wouldn't play a role.

S2 would come later, but it's hard as to what I would change in that seasons. So I'd say S3 would be great after S4 put as S2. I'm not a writer so it's hard to really give a blow by blow. I think there was a lot of episodes in which the writers dropped, but keep in mind the show runners who will be in charge of S4 are NOT the ones in charge during S1-S3. I think a lot of people just seem to think that their the same people and they do this and that, far from it. Two different perspectives are here from the first three seasons. In any event S3 would be next and I would roughly keep it the same, since it opens a few doors but I would have made the first Ep Michael from S2. To give us a real good make up of Michael and it would lead to S4 where Teyla would then be pregnant because of RL's conditioning. Actually it would work with minimizing Teyla to an extent and S2 is not really kown for having too much Teyla. But then I don't think S2 had anything to do with the characters, of the SGA Ex but the Wraith primarily. So I felt in S2 which was my favorite season, that the characters were undermined to focus on the fleshing out of the Wraith and I had no problem with it, but it would also work as a later season in many ways.

All in all, there's not much else, except the order of the seasons and the switching of some eps to make the continuity flow better with a deep focus on the characterizations in the first 3 seasons sas I think that was a must. While by 4 they can flesh out all other supporting elements as they were given an in in S1-S3. I do think Teyla has interesting development already, she's just not a force like McKay or one like Shep, but also it's her lack of history which might not be providng the depth we need. She's much like Ronon in that way, who I think is the fully developed character in the entire show.

Ruffles
August 31st, 2007, 04:17 AM
I agree with Vabi's comments on most of S1. Teyla had good things to say and do in most eps. There were a few (The Storm/The Eye, The Defiant One) where she and Ford are stuck somewhere, waiting. I can appreciate the difficulty in writing a full story that gives each character lots to do, but in cases like that, just give them the day off.

Without completely redoing what we saw for most of S2 or 3, it's hard to do much. She went from being a strong, fiesty leader in S1 to the almost silent member of the team. A lot of time in S2 was spent developing Ronon (whom I love).

One thing that might have helped would have been to show the difference in the Satedan worldview and the Athosian one. Teyla and Ronon are constantly paired off and always seem to have a similar outlook on things (the Pegasus Galaxy native look). They are both warriors from PG, but otherwise are very different people, as different as Sumner and Sheppard or Kavanaugh and Zelenka.

Teyla is always portrayed as the voice of reason (well, I guess someone has to be on that team), but this is the woman that decked Bates in The Siege for insulting her. Where did that Teyla go?

seldear
August 31st, 2007, 05:50 AM
this is the woman that decked Bates in The Siege for insulting her. Where did that Teyla go?I saw that as an extreme situation for Teyla. Control seems to be a large part of her life - as you pointed out, she's always so cool and calm - the voice of reason.

In the circumstances leading up to her hitting Bates, he did provide extreme provocation towards her. Given her people's history with the Wraith and her own state of mind regarding the new discovery of her abilities and what the Wraith could use her for, it would be like saying that a Jew was spying on the Americans for the Arabs.

So I wouldn't say that woman has "gone" anywhere - just that no-one's provided the same degree of personal provocation towards Teyla since.

Sel.

vaberella
August 31st, 2007, 06:58 AM
Check out Misbegotten, Teyla twists the neck of a wraith with her bare hands. Wicked stuff!! :D

Mitchell82
August 31st, 2007, 10:08 AM
Check out Misbegotten, Teyla twists the neck of a wraith with her bare hands. Wicked stuff!! :D

I love that scene. I never want to get on her bad side.

Ruffles
August 31st, 2007, 10:15 AM
I saw that as an extreme situation for Teyla. Control seems to be a large part of her life - as you pointed out, she's always so cool and calm - the voice of reason.

In the circumstances leading up to her hitting Bates, he did provide extreme provocation towards her. Given her people's history with the Wraith and her own state of mind regarding the new discovery of her abilities and what the Wraith could use her for, it would be like saying that a Jew was spying on the Americans for the Arabs.

So I wouldn't say that woman has "gone" anywhere - just that no-one's provided the same degree of personal provocation towards Teyla since.

Sel.

I'll admit that the insult Bates tossed her way was the highest insult he could give, but I still think the woman that we saw (mostly) in S2 & 3 was a bland version of S1 Teyla.


Check out Misbegotten, Teyla twists the neck of a wraith with her bare hands. Wicked stuff!! :D

I'd forgotten about that. *makes note to rewatch Misbegotten*

seldear
August 31st, 2007, 01:19 PM
I tend to disagree that people who maintain self-control are bland. If anything, I've found they're even more complex than the people who project their emotions all over the place. It takes more to discover what they're thinking or feeling, to determine their thought processes behind their eyes, but it's definitely not bland or boring.

No, Teyla doesn't have the conflicts in S2 and S3 that were produced in S1, but S2 and S3 were a different expedition in nature, and Teyla was no longer filling the "Alien" role by being different. Her role in S2 was integration and support.

Did TPTB miss opportunities to show more conflicts between Teyla and others - in the last couple of seasons - of course! They've been too busy retreading the same-old Stargate, same-old Universe to look at the possibilities that the Pegasus Galaxy really presented.

VB, I like your thoughts on the layout of seasons. They definitely should have focused more on the Pegasus Galaxy and the expedition's "in" to it before now; that they didn't seems more to do with lazy writing and earth/american egocentricism than the characters they passed over. ("Earth is cool! Earth is the greatest! We must focus on the Earth people, because no alien culture has ever been independantly capable of fighting back against their oppressors!" Honestly, at times, the Atlantis Universe reads like the television version of "white leader goes into coloured community and Shows Them The Way To Freedom".)

I'd have looked more at how the Wraith were plaguing the galaxy - more at how the Pegasus natives looked at the expedition in their midst. Touch on the displeasure Halling showed in The Siege and billow it out. Then plant Teyla in the middle of it - caught between her committment to the expedition (whatever it takes) and her own people (harm minimisation). Ronon adds a conflict: he's definitely not about the harm minimisation angle - the worst has already happened to Sateda - he wants the Wraith gone.

An alternative that I discussed with a friend was hitting a kind of "reset" button at S3 after they return to Atlantis from Earth. Landry isn't happy with them, Jack's given them the city back, but other brass aren't happy and the expedition gets the basics of supplies, but no encouragement. They want Atlantis held because it's a connection to Earth, but beyond that, the expedition is pretty much on it's own.

Which means the expedition has to go out among the cultures it blithely dismissed for the last couple of years and say, "okay, we're back, we screwed up, woke up both the Wraith and the Asurans, and we've finally matured enough to go into partnership with you instead of playing separatist and superior in Atlantis."

I find it ironic that BSG is heralded as the "groundbreaking television drama series commenting on the war in Iraq" when SGA seems to portray the core American foreign policy far more accurately: "We are the only ones that count, the only ones who fight, the only ones whose struggles and problems matter in the Grand Scheme Of The Universe."

Sel.

Ruffles
August 31st, 2007, 03:14 PM
I tend to disagree that people who maintain self-control are bland. If anything, I've found they're even more complex than the people who project their emotions all over the place. It takes more to discover what they're thinking or feeling, to determine their thought processes behind their eyes, but it's definitely not bland or boring.

No, Teyla doesn't have the conflicts in S2 and S3 that were produced in S1, but S2 and S3 were a different expedition in nature, and Teyla was no longer filling the "Alien" role by being different. Her role in S2 was integration and support.

Did TPTB miss opportunities to show more conflicts between Teyla and others - in the last couple of seasons - of course! They've been too busy retreading the same-old Stargate, same-old Universe to look at the possibilities that the Pegasus Galaxy really presented.

I don't find self-control to be bland either. I don't find Teyla herself to be bland. I guess a better way for me to put it would be the situations that Teyla faced (for the most part) in S2 & 3 were bland. There were a few exceptions (Trinity, Michael, Vengeance, etc), but for the most part she was just there. IMHO.

DONNA BOOTH
September 1st, 2007, 08:46 AM
even though i know they are finally going to develop Teylas Character more at last i still think if we get a season 5 there will still more room for her characters development in that season as well

vaberella
September 1st, 2007, 09:12 AM
even though i know they are finally going to develop Teylas Character more at last i still think if we get a season 5 there will still more room for her characters development in that season as well

Of course. What is undeniable is that Teyla and Ronon will always be able to provide storyline for further development and developmen of more adventures. They are limitless for storyline.

Princess Awinita
September 1st, 2007, 09:18 AM
yes yes limitless story ideas for those two, though why the "not normal baby" storyline AGAIN? I mean, they already did that twice in SG-1 one of the babies being the son of what's-his-face, Apophis I think it was? and the the other was Adra (who in one of my stories bit the dust thanks to Teyla) and now over in Atlantis we got a not normal baby making it the THIRD not normal baby storyline!

*is confused now* why can't they just up and have a NORMAL baby storyline for once? or maybe have something not so normal happen to the baby after it is born? (IE one of the Ancients come and take the baby within minutes of the little one being born, baby gets stuck in a Time Dilation Field like in Epiphany) *is still confused*

vaberella
September 1st, 2007, 06:00 PM
Teyla is not a normal human to have a normal baby, period.

Further more, the baby storyline is an added storyline not the focus of the Teyla arc. The writers don't know what to do with it as of yet, but it's unlikely to go to fruition. The point was to create a situation on screen that allows for RL's condition as the Teyla character, nothing more. From what I read the writers seem to be working around it, but that doesn't mean they'll really go far with the storyline since the Vala story is still so fresh.

Mitchell82
September 2nd, 2007, 03:24 PM
Teyla is not a normal human to have a normal baby, period.

Further more, the baby storyline is an added storyline not the focus of the Teyla arc. The writers don't know what to do with it as of yet, but it's unlikely to go to fruition. The point was to create a situation on screen that allows for RL's condition as the Teyla character, nothing more. From what I read the writers seem to be working around it, but that doesn't mean they'll really go far with the storyline since the Vala story is still so fresh.

Despite how scifi treated Claudia,(making her work while pregnant wasn't the producers decision) the story was done well so I have faith they will do the same here.

seldear
September 6th, 2007, 02:34 AM
Despite how scifi treated Claudia,(making her work while pregnant wasn't the producers decision) the story was done well so I have faith they will do the same here.I guess it was a contractual thing?

You know, if AT hadn't been lucky that her pregnancy fell across the hiatus between S8 and S9, they'd have had three baby-storylines to deal with.

Must be something in the water at Bridge Studios! :D

Sel.

vaberella
September 6th, 2007, 06:49 AM
I guess it was a contractual thing?

You know, if AT hadn't been lucky that her pregnancy fell across the hiatus between S8 and S9, they'd have had three baby-storylines to deal with.

Must be something in the water at Bridge Studios! :D

Sel.

Note to self: Don't drink water within a 200 mile radius or at Bridge Studios if you happen to find yourself lost in the frozen tundra known as Canada. :S

Mitchell82
September 7th, 2007, 09:26 AM
I'm really glad Teyla is getting more development this season. She has developed as a chracter over the years but definatly needs more. One of my favorite Teyla eps is Critical Mass. Her character reallly devloped in that one and I loved the "funeral" scene. Personally I'd love to have her in a situatin where she could sing again.

Princess Awinita
September 7th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Must be something in the water at Bridge Studios!


Note to self: Don't drink water within a 200 mile radius or at Bridge Studios if you happen to find yourself lost in the frozen tundra known as Canada. :S

hahahahaha very funny! somehow this is VERY funny when my Owner read it, she was like "what is Canada?" it was cute when she asked that question


I'm really glad Teyla is getting more development this season. She has developed as a chracter over the years but definatly needs more. One of my favorite Teyla eps is Critical Mass. Her character reallly devloped in that one and I loved the "funeral" scene. Personally I'd love to have her in a situatin where she could sing again.

I personally have the FIrst Revcording of that song sung by Teyla, heck i even have the WORDS to it in one of my stories! that song is so dang wonderful to listen to, I wonder if someone had said song sung at their funeral?

Mitchell82
September 7th, 2007, 03:46 PM
hahahahaha very funny! somehow this is VERY funny when my Owner read it, she was like "what is Canada?" it was cute when she asked that question



I personally have the FIrst Revcording of that song sung by Teyla, heck i even have the WORDS to it in one of my stories! that song is so dang wonderful to listen to, I wonder if someone had said song sung at their funeral?

I don't know but it could be. It was an excellent song and for some reason it really adds aot of emotion to the show. I think I even shed a tear the first time.

expendable_crewman
September 8th, 2007, 04:01 AM
why can't they just up and have a NORMAL baby storyline for once?
I agree with you. After being much spoiled and especially with the season air date coming up, I'm at the place where I'm asking the same question. In the sense that Teyla is normal, why not a normal baby? One of Teyla's parents had the hyped Wraith genetic package and passed it on. That was great. Teyla herself is an example of how an Athosian child can be born, grow, and thrive with the Wraith gene and be essentially "normal." So all by itself, the fact that Teyla is able to do the things she can due to the gene does not put her at risk for producing abnormal (whatever that means) offspring.

As for the storyline, I think the father or whatever the contributor / instigator will be, is 50% responsible for the results and IMO more a factor (from a story standpoint) in what Teyla produces (as far as the baby being normal or sci-fi abnormal goes), not Teyla herself.

My vote is for normal. I don't doubt the story can go to extraordinarily horrific heights, science fiction-wise, or land in the broad span somewhere in between. I don't doubt a hybrid / infant-add-water-stir-becomes grown up story for dramatic purposes could be interesting. In terms of what I've already seen from Stargate, the abnormal conception, abnormally wise / powerful / etc. child has already been done.

I can handle a re-tread, or a variation thereof, because I'm sure Rachel Luttrell and her cast-mates will pull it off with vigor and style. I'd just don't want one.

vaberella
September 8th, 2007, 05:38 AM
I agree with you. After being much spoiled and especially with the season air date coming up, I'm at the place where I'm asking the same question. In the sense that Teyla is normal, why not a normal baby? One of Teyla's parents had the hyped Wraith genetic package and passed it on. That was great. Teyla herself is an example of how an Athosian child can be born, grow, and thrive with the Wraith gene and be essentially "normal." So all by itself, the fact that Teyla is able to do the things she can due to the gene does not put her at risk for producing abnormal (whatever that means) offspring.
Uh, Teyla is not biologically normal. Although she was raised by people she was raised amongst "humans" with an ability and that is one of the things that made her special and creating a bit of separation when she was an Athosian. She could sense them. How then was she ever "normal"?

Further more, I don't understand your statement "at risk"---that would imply let's say the kid had a human father, and let's say one of Teyla's parents had it--- Teyla was a some sort of risk herself. It's a bit boggling. The wraith gene is a gene that obviously cannot be diluted the way the Wraith scientist/s (if that idea is to believed) thought it would be. That being said in genetics there are a lot of things that would happen, and one of them is definitely not a biologically wraith gene free parasite. I could accept that some family members had the genetics stronger than others, and Teyla being an extremely strong example if my theory of genetic dormancy is probable. Then her kid could have it as strong---because Teyla has tapped into some serious powers that her closest ascendents could not or did not. The idea of normal is a bit off, because there's no aspect of Teyla the character that I see as normal especially in reference to people like Weir, or Zelenka, or Keller. They are "essentially normal".

Plus she was leader of her people, she is a female and extremely young leader in comparison to those Teyla has traded with and know personally as seen in The Underground, Letters from Pegasus, and Trinity.


As for the storyline, I think the father or whatever the contributor / instigator will be, is 50% responsible for the results and IMO more a factor (from a story standpoint) in what Teyla produces (as far as the baby being normal or sci-fi abnormal goes), not Teyla herself.
I answered that above. If it was passed down to Teyla from an ascendent far before and Teyla has said in The Gift that those of her lineage have the wraith gene, it doesn't give me the impression this skips a generation. Plus for her father and Charin (as seen in The Gift) to keep it a secret from Teyla and possibly the Athosian people, I get the strong impression that Teyla's dad knows Teyla's mum had the powers (probably driven mad from it, which would be cool) or Teyla's dad is not Teyla's biological dad (ie LFP) and more of an adoptive father or Teyla's dad had the gene to know it's history as he did and Charin's chagrin at Teyla's questions. Too bad Charin can't tell us for sure. So it wouldn't matter the other 50% contribution the wraith gene seems to be a dominant and unremovable player in any future descendents.

Plus, I still stand by the idea that Teyla could be her own kids father...asexuality is found in many species paticularly insects.


My vote is for normal. I don't doubt the story can go to extraordinarily horrific heights, science fiction-wise, or land in the broad span somewhere in between. I don't doubt a hybrid / infant-add-water-stir-becomes grown up story for dramatic purposes could be interesting. In terms of what I've already seen from Stargate, the abnormal conception, abnormally wise / powerful / etc. child has already been done.

I can handle a re-tread, or a variation thereof, because I'm sure Rachel Luttrell and her cast-mates will pull it off with vigor and style. I'd just don't want one.
Meh, well since I see this story line as an aside which JM has said he's not sure how far they will go with it; I think it's something they're adding as filler and pulling a few other storylines connected to it, but nothing to get bent out of shape over. That's why I don't get fandom's fascination. I feel awful that the Athosian's who were supposed to be front and center have taken a backseat because fandom can't seem to get beyond this pregnancy. In any event the parasite means nothing to me except as a good addition but not something I care about in regards to Teyla. I'm more concerned about her people and care about that.

That is really the defining aspect of who Teyla is and has been all her life and the reason she's even with the SGA Ex, she loses her people and she turns vigilante. That's what really brings forth her other storylines, her past, her father, her connections, her angst, and fleshes her out. And in the process we see more use of her ability's and more historical evidence as to it's reason for being (which could be and may not be connected to her pregnancy---I think not since JM said they had an arc in mind and her wraith dna would play a part before the pregnancy thing came out). I don't see the parasite doing all that much---so it's wanting or not wanting this storyline really means nothing. It's not the real point of her storyline, just an addition to flesh out the character and keep RL as the actress playing the character within the grand scheme of things.

DONNA BOOTH
September 8th, 2007, 07:01 AM
I think that season 1 was good for her character Development and there was also key episodes in season 2 like Critical Mass which revealed a bit about the way her people conduct a ceromony to honour the dead and as it confirmed not many of the Athosions die of old age and natural causes so the ones that do they have something called a (correct me someone if im wrong)ringing ceremony to help the loved ones on the way to the afterlife and there was also Micheal that was interesting episode in her Development as well as she wasnt accustomed to lying but for the sake of the safety of Atlantis she did but she also raised her concerns about it as well and i guess in Season 3 the only Episodes i can think of Sateda and Sunday Sateda where she Thanked Colonol Shepard for going out of his way to save Ronan and tha she too sometimes felt like an outsider among them and as i observed over the past 3 seasons Teyla is not so forthcoming about revealing her feelings and thoughts to anyone so i think it was a big step for her to come out and admit how she felt and in Sunday it was first revealed she has a crush on some one and in the previous seasons nothing had been revealed abouther having a private life before
so in season 4 im really looking forward to see which direction her character is going and to more development of her Character

expendable_crewman
September 8th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Uh, Teyla is not biologically normal. Although she was raised by people she was raised amongst "humans" with an ability and that is one of the things that made her special and creating a bit of separation when she was an Athosian. She could sense them. How then was she ever "normal"?
I agree with you, the pregnancy storyline is a retcon. It's not the main focus, it's a write-fit to make a change in the actress' appearance make sense story-wise.

I am almost certain (not 100%) JM said in his blog that scripts had to be changed to accomodate the subplot. Subplot being the operative word.

Oh man I didn't mean to get into a debate on "what's normal, what's not normal." So I'll try to explain.

I see Teyla as being normal for her. She's not an Earther, I can't compare her to Zelenka. She's a PG native and she has Wraith DNA. To be fair, I'd call a MW human with psychic powers normal. It's who that particular person-- in this case, Teyla -- is. Teyla could bend steel with her bare hands and I'd say that's normal for her.

I want to see her offspring turn out just like her, whether one fan calls it normal or another fan calls it abnormal. Whatever we or someone wants to call it, that's what my fingers are crossed for.

Asexual reproduction, genetic transfer from a crystal entity, implantation from Michael of some hybrid embryo, I don't want any of that.

I want what's normal for Teyla, whatever that is ... short of, of course, some internal insect-like reproductive trigger. I want her to reproduce the same way her mother and father did it, and with as much joy, and at the end of the process I want to see a little Teyla.

That's what I mean when I say I'd prefer to avoid a foray in the typical Stargate whack-a-do pregancy.

I know they can do *crazy* and I know they can do *monster*. That's the easy way out. I'd like to see them try to do it the hard way. Do normal. Because that means they'd have to write complex feelings and dialogue (no matter who the daddy is) for two characters against a backdrop of "normal" Stargate mayhem and murder, action, conflict, you name it, and not have it turn in to camp, soap, or melodrama. That is NOT easy to write but I'd pay to watch.

Princess Awinita
September 8th, 2007, 05:40 PM
I agree with you, the pregnancy storyline is a retcon. It's not the main focus, it's a write-fit to make a change in the actress' appearance make sense story-wise.

I am almost certain (not 100%) JM said in his blog that scripts had to be changed to accomodate the subplot. Subplot being the operative word.

Oh man I didn't mean to get into a debate on "what's normal, what's not normal." So I'll try to explain.

I see Teyla as being normal for her. She's not an Earther, I can't compare her to Zelenka. She's a PG native and she has Wraith DNA. To be fair, I'd call a MW human with psychic powers normal. It's who that particular person-- in this case, Teyla -- is. Teyla could bend steel with her bare hands and I'd say that's normal for her.

I want to see her offspring turn out just like her, whether one fan calls it normal or another fan calls it abnormal. Whatever we or someone wants to call it, that's what my fingers are crossed for.

Asexual reproduction, genetic transfer from a crystal entity, implantation from Michael of some hybrid embryo, I don't want any of that.

I want what's normal for Teyla, whatever that is ... short of, of course, some internal insect-like reproductive trigger. I want her to reproduce the same way her mother and father did it, and with as much joy, and at the end of the process I want to see a little Teyla.

That's what I mean when I say I'd prefer to avoid a foray in the typical Stargate whack-a-do pregancy.

I know they can do *crazy* and I know they can do *monster*. That's the easy way out. I'd like to see them try to do it the hard way. Do normal. Because that means they'd have to write complex feelings and dialogue (no matter who the daddy is) for two characters against a backdrop of "normal" Stargate mayhem and murder, action, conflict, you name it. That is NOT easy to write but I'd pay to watch.

1) I agree

2) major nono I don't want this to happen!

3) I agree, I want a NO(RMAL baby not some type of child that grows up within two episodes and goes off killing Wriath! I just want a little infant that can either just disappear from the show after one episode, or better yet dies off in a episode!

vaberella
September 8th, 2007, 06:06 PM
I agree with you, the pregnancy storyline is a retcon. It's not the main focus, it's a write-fit to make a change in the actress' appearance make sense story-wise.

I am almost certain (not 100%) JM said in his blog that scripts had to be changed to accomodate the subplot. Subplot being the operative word.

Oh man I didn't mean to get into a debate on "what's normal, what's not normal." So I'll try to explain.

I see Teyla as being normal for her. She's not an Earther, I can't compare her to Zelenka. She's a PG native and she has Wraith DNA. To be fair, I'd call a MW human with psychic powers normal. It's who that particular person-- in this case, Teyla -- is. Teyla could bend steel with her bare hands and I'd say that's normal for her.

I want to see her offspring turn out just like her, whether one fan calls it normal or another fan calls it abnormal. Whatever we or someone wants to call it, that's what my fingers are crossed for.

Asexual reproduction, genetic transfer from a crystal entity, implantation from Michael of some hybrid embryo, I don't want any of that.

I want what's normal for Teyla, whatever that is ... short of, of course, some internal insect-like reproductive trigger. I want her to reproduce the same way her mother and father did it, and with as much joy, and at the end of the process I want to see a little Teyla.

That's what I mean when I say I'd prefer to avoid a foray in the typical Stargate whack-a-do pregancy.

I know they can do *crazy* and I know they can do *monster*. That's the easy way out. I'd like to see them try to do it the hard way. Do normal. Because that means they'd have to write complex feelings and dialogue (no matter who the daddy is) for two characters against a backdrop of "normal" Stargate mayhem and murder, action, conflict, you name it, and not have it turn in to camp, soap, or melodrama. That is NOT easy to write but I'd pay to watch.

Just a question, let's say if Wraith Queens were able to reproduce Asexually and Teyla has the Wraith gene and she could do it, wouldn't asexual reproduction be "normal" for Teyla?! We know nothing really about her lineage, you do know that. We know nothing about her father, just that she has one. But she could easily have been adopted as we saw in LFP, or she could have been the product of something else totally without our knowledge. We know Charin and her father were not beyond keeping things from Teyla as seen in The Gift. So asexual reproduction could be quite possible and very "normal" for Teyla.

In regards to the storyline you proposed, I'm in the camp who is so not interested in that kind of storyline. I find parasites a pervasive storyline (no matter how hard one tries to avoid it. Look at what it's done to fandom now when it was just an add-in) and I can honestly say I would be pissed beyond belief if I see Teyla just pass the kid along to some group or family because she can't care for it. If she doesn't do that, they'd have to incorporate the kid and her and the rest of the gang...and I'm like come on, maybe when the show is about to be cancelled, that would work in well, but since there is a chance of an S5 and beyond, let's not go there. I don't find the show to be Full House or Growing Pains, this is scifi, it's a scifi based show. If maybe it was something like JAG where kids were brought in, but that show had quite a bit of soapishness to it, and I find a normal baby would actually reinforce a soap aspect more so than your scifi type of kid---which can go any which way.

Ruffles
September 8th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I know they can do *crazy* and I know they can do *monster*. That's the easy way out. I'd like to see them try to do it the hard way. Do normal. Because that means they'd have to write complex feelings and dialogue (no matter who the daddy is) for two characters against a backdrop of "normal" Stargate mayhem and murder, action, conflict, you name it, and not have it turn in to camp, soap, or melodrama. That is NOT easy to write but I'd pay to watch.

Agreeing with you here.


Just a question, let's say if Wraith Queens were able to reproduce Asexually and Teyla has the Wraith gene and she could do it, wouldn't asexual reproduction be "normal" for Teyla?! We know nothing really about her lineage, you do know that. We know nothing about her father, just that she has one. But she could easily have been adopted as we saw in LFP, or she could have been the product of something else totally without our knowledge. We know Charin and her father were not beyond keeping things from Teyla as seen in The Gift. So asexual reproduction could be quite possible and very "normal" for Teyla.

Still holding out hope I see. *bear hug*

Weir mentions in The Gift that Teyla's Wraith gene makes her about as different from the rest of them as John's ATA gene. I can't quite see John's children being radically different (conception-wise or any other way) from him so I wouldn't see Teyla's as either. It was such a tiny bit of her genetic make-up that Carson couldn't even identify that she had it at first.

While I am not discounting the idea that Michael could have something to do with her pregnancy (PLEASE don't let that be the case), I'm still holding out for Unknown Guy. :D

bluealien
September 9th, 2007, 01:02 AM
Agreeing with you here.




Weir mentions in The Gift that Teyla's Wraith gene makes her about as different from the rest of them as John's ATA gene. I can't quite see John's children being radically different (conception-wise or any other way) from him so I wouldn't see Teyla's as either. It was such a tiny bit of her genetic make-up that Carson couldn't even identify that she had it at first.

While I am not discounting the idea that Michael could have something to do with her pregnancy (PLEASE don't let that be the case), I'm still holding out for Unknown Guy. :D


I agree with this ... I see Teyla as normal as any of the rest of them. Having a wraith gene.. which only seems to allow her to sense the wraith, wouldn't make her any different to Sheppard who can use his gene to operate ancient technology. I don't think we would class Sheppard as not being normal because of his gene. I don't believe that this tiny quirk in her genetic make up is going to cause biological differences in her.

I still think this baby will be the result of some abnomal occurance though. I don't see it resulting from Teyla having a fling with some secret lover.. I would find that very out of chararcter for Teyla. I still think the possibilities are either Michael, Doppelganger John or top of my list is the Asurans.

expendable_crewman
September 9th, 2007, 01:44 AM
Just a question, let's say if Wraith Queens were able to reproduce Asexually and Teyla has the Wraith gene and she could do it, wouldn't asexual reproduction be "normal" for Teyla?!
If Teyla was a Wraith queen and this is how Wraith queens reproduce, then asexual reproduction would be normal for Teyla.

We know nothing really about her lineage, you do know that. We know nothing about her father, just that she has one. But she could easily have been adopted as we saw in LFP, or she could have been the product of something else totally without our knowledge. We know Charin and her father were not beyond keeping things from Teyla as seen in The Gift. So asexual reproduction could be quite possible and very "normal" for Teyla.
Agreed. But check out this earlier comment from me: "I want what's normal for Teyla, whatever that is ... short of, of course, some internal insect-like reproductive trigger." Meaning the writers can and already have (season four is pretty much done) taken it wheresoever they like, right down to turning Teyla's gifts into some kind of DNA time bomb that impels reproduction. I would prefer they don't-- didn't. I like whump, don't get me wrong, but having your body turn against you ... I was hoping for a Teyla arc in which she *doesn't* lose control of her body.


In regards to the storyline you proposed, I'm in the camp who is so not interested in that kind of storyline.

You are not alone.


I find parasites a pervasive storyline (no matter how hard one tries to avoid it. Look at what it's done to fandom now when it was just an add-in) and I can honestly say I would be pissed beyond belief if I see Teyla just pass the kid along to some group or family because she can't care for it.

See, that's what I mean by "hard," as in normal is hard to write. Passing the kid along is silly but it's what I've seen other shows do so the parent can resume battling the forces of evil unimpeded by a feeding schedule. Wouldn't it be a welcomed surprise if the writers came up with a tale and a twist none of us have thought of or expect?


If she doesn't do that, they'd have to incorporate the kid and her and the rest of the gang...and I'm like come on, maybe when the show is about to be cancelled, that would work in well, but since there is a chance of an S5 and beyond, let's not go there.

You are only giving light to all our fears, which can be summed up, am I wrong, by this: whatever the writers do, please please don't screw this up!

There are so many ways to blow it, and very few ways to nail this story as compelling, original and credible drama.

I don't find the show to be Full House or Growing Pains, this is scifi, it's a scifi based show. If maybe it was something like JAG where kids were brought in, but that show had quite a bit of soapishness to it, and I find a normal baby would actually reinforce a soap aspect more so than your scifi type of kid---which can go any which way.
I read this all over the board. Nobody wants Stargate to become another show, I get that. And those of us who openly (or secretly, for that matter) want to see the show do a "normal" pregnancy aren't advocating Full House or Growing Pains. It's not an either / or, IMO: as in, either Teyla's pregnancy is an aberration and her offsping a monster ** or ** the pregnancy is normal and the result will suck the sci-fi right out of Stargate. A good writer could do it. Doesn't mean the writers are bad if they didn't do it. I'm just saying this isn't / wasn't rocket science-- I'm not a big fan of BSG comparisons, because in many ways BSG is the kind of soap I'm loathe to see repeated on Stargate, BSG's success aside. But take a look at Hera. She's not normal, I grant you, but right now she looks and acts normal. She's around but you hardly see her. You can feel her presence but her parents are warriors, and they take care of business. Hera's so far in the background now that you, the viewer, can choose to forget her if you want, but when you remember her, you know where she is.

Sci-fi television as a genre has done a lot of things Stargate hasn't, and that may remain true past seasons four, five, or six. I'm just saying it would have been a bigger challenge, writing-wise, to make Teyla's baby normal than to make her pregnancy and baby phenomenon, and if I get my wish in season four, I will be thrilled.

expendable_crewman
September 9th, 2007, 01:55 AM
... Teyla having a fling with some secret lover.. I would find that very out of chararcter for Teyla.
Blue, I can't argue with you here. I still fall out of my chair when I see that scene in Sunday with Teyla in full hearing of any passer-by chatting lightly about her crush. My conclusion: she has one, and he's her secret, meaning he may not even know he's the object her interest.

Here's to hoping he finds out the right way!

Oops, I almost forgot this part: when the writers created Sunday, they didn't know they were going to be doing a pregnancy storyline in season four. Here's where retroactive continuity plays havoc with our speculations. How can Sunday have anything to do with Teyla's pregnancy? It may very well have nothing to do with it, and then it may have everything to do with it in the form of a retcon, meaning the crush from Sunday goes to a whole new level for the simple reason that it must in order to serve the need of the story.

Who knows? Well, everyone at Bridge knows. But I don't. I'm daydreaming with a keyboard.

Three weeks, minus a few days, until we get some real clues. I am excited.

vaberella
September 9th, 2007, 05:03 AM
Still holding out hope I see. *bear hug*

Weir mentions in The Gift that Teyla's Wraith gene makes her about as different from the rest of them as John's ATA gene. I can't quite see John's children being radically different (conception-wise or any other way) from him so I wouldn't see Teyla's as either. It was such a tiny bit of her genetic make-up that Carson couldn't even identify that she had it at first.

While I am not discounting the idea that Michael could have something to do with her pregnancy (PLEASE don't let that be the case), I'm still holding out for Unknown Guy. :D


*huggies Rufs*

Okay now to respond. Actually there are several problems with what Weir says and I'll explain my point. But first I want to make a general statement. We really know nothing specific about Teyla and over the last 3 seasons her wraith gene has played more and more and more a role in aspects of the show and her "abilities" have made her appear stronger; "abilities" that might not have been believed to be that great in the beginning.

When relating John to Teyla as in "power-wise" I haven't seen a change in John's power, he's just basically been unsure of himself and most of the time it's been the same. He does a bit of pyro-technics (:S) and he can raise the ship without too much effort with his mind. I think that's due to him being able to see his rather outlandish idea coming to fruition than any movement and growth in his powers. Teyla on the other hand is another cookie all together and I find that to be undeniable.

The Wraith gene however tiny has proved to be something more in regards to who she is. Now I won't bother refuting much of Weir's claims in regards to the creation of people like Teyla although I always found it questionable when a woman who cannot speak ancient, but Latin, can successfully derive another language which is probably a far derivative of another root language. It's always been strange to me; now I won't go into scemantics of why this is, but I speak creole as a Haitian and Martiniqans speaks their version of creole...relatively similar language but there are several words found in both langauges but when put in a sentence completely and utterly shifts the direction. So can I feel Weir's ideas, not really but I just accept them for the show. But Carson's I will say something about.

Yes, Carson did say in the beginning that he couldn't do anything about Teyla's powers until he had samples of her DNA from other family members and some more sophisticated machines. Also keep in mind that Carson wasn't too certain what he was looking for in the beginning he even said so when Weir told Teyla of their deductions At the time in S1 it was believed that she had a few little powers like running, fast healing abilities, her sensing of the wraith...then it comes to pass that she could enter their mind later on.

To connect this to Teyla's power it would seem over the seasons that her "powers" are far more reaching than just sensing the wraith. In Epiphany, we come to see that Teyla can sense other entities and what they are like and come to her own conclusions about them. This is again seen in Instinct and how she was able to relate and define Elia as wraith but different. Then we see an expansion of her abilities in S3 when she was able to defeat the wraith mentally---yes she was a mentally and physically weak wraith but strong enough to take out Teyla and manipulate John as any other Wraith Queen. That would only be explained as a huge expansion on her power and I'm starting to doubt more and more that Teyla's powers are a small part of her, which would marginalize all the abilities previously seen.

In regards to Teyla's offspring, I won't say the kid is different from Teyla that was never my implication. But until I can see a normal human birthing for Teyla I'd have to take a backseat on that and almost any outlandish idea is plausible. There have been humans made out of test tubes in our world...so Teyla could have easily been the same with far more advanced tech on the outside. Again we don't kow that much about her parenthood. Her children could easily take from her and the Wraith gene has already been said to play a signficant role.

Now RL and JM have both said that her wraith Gene are extremely important in this season and in relation to her pregnancy, so then explain to me how this would be in any way "normal" or there's hope in marginalizing something that has significant importance in relation to the character.

expendable_crewman
September 9th, 2007, 05:12 AM
But until I can see a normal human birthing for Teyla I'd have to take a backseat on that and almost any outlandish idea is plausible.
Fair enough. Hey, we're all in the back seat. Some guy(s) who work at a place called Bridge Studios is/are driving.

But it's fun to talk ... extensively ... about which route we'd prefer they follow.

vaberella
September 9th, 2007, 05:50 AM
If Teyla was a Wraith queen and this is how Wraith queens reproduce, then asexual reproduction would be normal for Teyla.
But Teyla's Wraith DNA plays a significant role and we have no idea the extent of her Wraith power and what it could mean in later episodes as we see a growth in her powers from S1 to S3, which would say that Teyla would have more than just a few abilities that are comparable to wraith.
1) She runs faster than most humans and able to leap pretty high in the air. (The Rising II)
2) She's apparently a bit stronger than your average lady, can sense the wraith, currently communicate and enter their head. (Suspicion, The Gift, The Seige II or III).
3) She has been able to sense other beings that are not Wraith and differentiate from them. Plus she seems to be able to tell the slight nuances in wraith. (Epiphany and Instinct)
4) Lastly we've seen her take on a Wraith Queen (a decidedly far stronger opponent than the males as they can't even be physically changed by the retro-virus) in a mental match (admittedly Queen was weak but proved moment of strength)---which would sort of disprove the previous ideas on what was Teyla's abilities if one only based them on S1 and S2.


Epiphany was just a perfect example of an ability I wouldn't have thought she would have had, but she does and that is definitely somethign part of her. So basically the point is that any idea so far is something that would be "normal" for Teyla when it's made canon.



Agreed. But check out this earlier comment from me: "I want what's normal for Teyla, whatever that is ... short of, of course, some internal insect-like reproductive trigger." Meaning the writers can and already have (season four is pretty much done) taken it wheresoever they like, right down to turning Teyla's gifts into some kind of DNA time bomb that impels reproduction. I would prefer they don't-- didn't. I like whump, don't get me wrong, but having your body turn against you ... I was hoping for a Teyla arc in which she *doesn't* lose control of her body.
If it's something that has always been waiting to happen there is nothing that can be done about that--it is normal for her. It's part of who she is and actually both RL and JM have laid claim that her DNA play a significant if not major role in her pregnancy and also within all of the arc...so I don't know what to tell you, I get the impression you might just hate the arc in general since the DNA is important even if we look at it separate from the pregnancy.



See, that's what I mean by "hard," as in normal is hard to write. Passing the kid along is silly but it's what I've seen other shows do so the parent can resume battling the forces of evil unimpeded by a feeding schedule. Wouldn't it be a welcomed surprise if the writers came up with a tale and a twist none of us have thought of or expect?
No. First off, I don't like kids (unless I could return them back to their parents when I've been around them for 10 minutes---their noisy, smelly, sticky, and annoying---which is novel in the first 5 minutes, then drains you in the next 5). Second, it's just not functional in a life and death situation that you continously put yourself in. If there were no Wraith and maybe if Atlantis didn't have so many damn enemies (with zero allies), I'd agree with you and skip down the yellow brick road. But in the situation that the SGA Ex finds themselves it's just not a go and really just not right in that setting. We don't have one bloody ally, but we have a slew of people who want us eradicated and then want to go to Earth....there's no way in hell I want a kid on the Ex. The fact remains that it's not functional in this setting and if the SGA Ex can't bloody take care of themselves which they're doing by a thread, find themselves utterly dependent on Earth and it's technology and armed forces----the SGA is not even safe for these adults let alone safe for a kid. It's not a cute story, it takes away from the show (becuase that opens doors for mini mistakes on using the kid) and really very "ugh" for me.




You are only giving light to all our fears, which can be summed up, am I wrong, by this: whatever the writers do, please please don't screw this up!

There are so many ways to blow it, and very few ways to nail this story as compelling, original and credible drama.
That could be true, but I'm pro so I don't think they'll screw it up. But it depends on how they go with it. They could make the kid go through fruition or they could have Teyla lose the kid. I'm betting on losing.


I read this all over the board. Nobody wants Stargate to become another show, I get that.
Uh, they're speaking in terms of SGA turning into SG1, and some soaps if there is John/Teyla. Not in regards to Teyla's pregnancy much.


And those of us who openly (or secretly, for that matter) want to see the show do a "normal" pregnancy aren't advocating Full House or Growing Pains. It's not an either / or, IMO: as in, either Teyla's pregnancy is an aberration and her offsping a monster ** or ** the pregnancy is normal and the result will suck the sci-fi right out of Stargate. A good writer could do it. Doesn't mean the writers are bad if they didn't do it. I'm just saying this isn't / wasn't rocket science-- I'm not a big fan of BSG comparisons, because in many ways BSG is the kind of soap I'm loathe to see repeated on Stargate, BSG's success aside. But take a look at Hera. She's not normal, I grant you, but right now she looks and acts normal. She's around but you hardly see her. You can feel her presence but her parents are warriors, and they take care of business. Hera's so far in the background now that you, the viewer, can choose to forget her if you want, but when you remember her, you know where she is.

See that's my problem and really just another aspect of a soap life. Baby is in the background and makes special appearances. No thank you. You bring in the brat at least make her a significant player---as she was when she was in the womb. Plus I would "loathe" to use BSG in comparison, cause it's cancelled for a reason. And you see what I mean....cancelled can do this, a show that hopefully won't be cancelled since scifi got rid of so many of it's shows. It's all dependent on Eureka and SGA currently.

Baby in cancelled show versus possible baby in not cancelled show could cancel the show for possible baby. Besides having a crap storyline (I know some liked it, I didn't.), they weren't doing to well in their execution either.

Note: I am aware that the baby is not the reason for cancellation, hence my last statement.



Sci-fi television as a genre has done a lot of things Stargate hasn't, and that may remain true past seasons four, five, or six. I'm just saying it would have been a bigger challenge, writing-wise, to make Teyla's baby normal than to make her pregnancy and baby phenomenon, and if I get my wish in season four, I will be thrilled.
But you're acting like this was a focus of the writers from the get-go. It was not. It wasn't something they were planning or wanting to do, they did it really to accomodate RL's condition as the Teyla character. So you would then have preferred Teyla take a background and play a similar role she played in S2 when it came to light that RL was pregnant since you feel the execution of the storyline might be boring and cliche?! I happen to really like Teyla and I respect the writers ability in actually still wanting to persue developing Teyla in light of the news. That being said, I also respect that they didn't have much going for them in really defining what they could do, in the limited time they were given and had at hand. So if the baby thing falls through it won't bug me in the least because the fleshing wasn't given the real time that it probably needed. Further more, from what i'm hearing what they're doing is just fine and I'll wait until I see before I'm disappointed and anti-scifi pregnancy versus normal. Lastly as I've said before, I don't care about the pregnancy much at all. My care is about Teyla as a whole, I only care about the pregnancy in relation to Teyla but I find that I'm more interested her past, how she handles the loss of her people and her relationships with her cast members. Sure I'd have a few problems if it was human and crawling all over the place, but I'm more interested in Teyla as a person.This baby thing means so little to me that either way they go with it I don't really care---I just find a baby a hindrance if it's normal, it's easier to get rid of if it's not human. <---and that's the crutch of the matter for me.


Fair enough. Hey, we're all in the back seat. Some guy(s) who work at a place called Bridge Studios is/are driving.

But it's fun to talk ... extensively ... about which route we'd prefer they follow.

Agreed. Already wrote my post before I saw this. You can ignore it.

expendable_crewman
September 9th, 2007, 11:56 AM
...so I don't know what to tell you, I get the impression you might just hate the arc in general since the DNA is important even if we look at it separate from the pregnancy.

No worries there. Teyla is my favorite character, followed by Sheppard. Whatever her character is going to do or go through this season, I'm there. As for the writers and their ideas, crazy or not, they have kept me glued to my TV prime time on Fridays for a bit over ten years. The only thing spoilers do is let me go on about what I wish would happen in advance. It's up to me to stay open-minded and I've learned what works best for me is let the story take me where it wants. The stuff I do on-line with you guys is just shaking the juice in my brain cells, and in my heart. As I said, I'm not driving the bus, nor do I want to. That's what fanfiction is for.

Long story short, we're just talking.


First off, I don't like kids
Ah, here we're different. On another note, you can't smell TV kids.


Second, it's just not functional in a life and death situation that you continously put yourself in.


If there were no Wraith and maybe if Atlantis didn't have so many damn enemies (with zero allies), I'd agree with you and skip down the yellow brick road.

It's not necessary that anyone agrees with me for me to wish for what I wish for. Just sayin'. I'd like to add the yellow brick road scenario is not mine. I'll also add that in theory whenever Teyla gives birth to her successor, as her father's wife did before her, she (and for that matter every single human female in the PG) does it in a setting plagued by Wraith, at risk for cullings, under constant threat of annhilation. There are no yellow brick roads in the PG, no safe zones, no "perfect" times. Waiting until life allows for a child is a Milky Way concept, and only in certain places of the world.


It's not a cute story, it takes away from the show (becuase that opens doors for mini mistakes on using the kid) and really very "ugh" for me.

Sounds like you'll be very disappointed if they go that route.


That could be true, but I'm pro so I don't think they'll screw it up.

You can be pro (as in supportive of season four and positive about the stories and show's direction?) and worry they'll screw it up, but on this one, I agree with you.

If they go with an aberration or monster, their course is easy. It's not a very complicated story. Hero gets wickedly abused or tricked, there is a consequence followed by much angst and concern, discussions of ifs by friends and doctors and scientists and fellow Athosians followed by nail-biting and finally a birth. Options after birth: keep it, kill it, or give it away. Not rocket science, as I said. It's straight sci-fi. Crap, I'm yawning already.

For me to sit on the edge of my seat over the Teyla pregnancy subplot, yadda, yadda, it would have to be something besides the above.

I don't expect that's going to be true for every viewer, but it is true for me.


Uh, they're speaking in terms of SGA turning into SG1, and some soaps if there is John/Teyla. Not in regards to Teyla's pregnancy much.

I don't think we play on the same threads, VB.


But you're acting like this was a focus of the writers from the get-go. It was not. It wasn't something they were planning or wanting to do, they did it really to accomodate RL's condition as the Teyla character. So you would then have preferred Teyla take a background and play a similar role she played in S2 when it came to light that RL was pregnant since you feel the execution of the storyline might be boring and cliche?! I happen to really like Teyla and I respect the writers ability in actually still wanting to persue developing Teyla in light of the news.

Wow, we're going all sorts of places. Nice leaps and pretty big bounds. Maybe we should wrap up this convo and leave it at that.


Agreed. Already wrote my post before I saw this. You can ignore it.

Already wrote my post before I saw this. You can ignore mine too.

seldear
September 10th, 2007, 12:28 AM
No worries there. Teyla is my favorite character, followed by Sheppard. Whatever her character is going to do or go through this season, I'm there.That certainly sounds like something I can get behind. :)

Sel.

HaHaHeHe
September 10th, 2007, 03:56 AM
What the HELLis an arc??:S

jenks
September 10th, 2007, 04:51 AM
What the HELLis an arc??:S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_arc

suse
September 10th, 2007, 06:17 AM
I'm really looking forward to Teyla getting a more meaty role. What I've seen of her history is fascinating. :)

I *am* a bit concerned about the baby storyline (Adria comes to mind as does the Starchild (rough pregnancy and all) on V :eek:) but really hope they have something more interesting - and original - in mind.

::fingers crossed::

suse

Princess Awinita
September 10th, 2007, 03:11 PM
I'm really looking forward to Teyla getting a more meaty role. What I've seen of her history is fascinating. :)

I *am* a bit concerned about the baby storyline (Adria comes to mind as does the Starchild (rough pregnancy and all) on V :eek:) but really hope they have something more interesting - and original - in mind.

::fingers crossed::

suse

this brings me to thinking that this whole infant storyline will be the THIRD one actually, the first being that everyone knows off the bat as Adra, the second being the son of Apophis, then Teylas baby, I'm just hoping TPTB know what they are doing and just have a "baby's born two scenes/episodes later baby dies/kidnapped/whatever" though i'm leaning for a Baby kidnapped scenario myself... possibly a baby daies off or is born dead... but then that would be a bit too cruel to do to Teyla I think

vaberella
September 10th, 2007, 06:38 PM
No worries there. Teyla is my favorite character, followed by Sheppard. Whatever her character is going to do or go through this season, I'm there. As for the writers and their ideas, crazy or not, they have kept me glued to my TV prime time on Fridays for a bit over ten years. The only thing spoilers do is let me go on about what I wish would happen in advance. It's up to me to stay open-minded and I've learned what works best for me is let the story take me where it wants. The stuff I do on-line with you guys is just shaking the juice in my brain cells, and in my heart. As I said, I'm not driving the bus, nor do I want to. That's what fanfiction is for.

Long story short, we're just talking.
Understood.


Ah, here we're different. On another note, you can't smell TV kids.
My power of smell is unbelievable. :D Much like Teyla's Wraith abilities, I developed this ability of sensing all aspects of parasites after my stint as an elementary school professor. ~sigh~ Best contraceptive on Earth. :P


It's not necessary that anyone agrees with me for me to wish for what I wish for. Just sayin'. I'd like to add the yellow brick road scenario is not mine. I'll also add that in theory whenever Teyla gives birth to her successor, as her father's wife did before her, she (and for that matter every single human female in the PG) does it in a setting plagued by Wraith, at risk for cullings, under constant threat of annhilation. There are no yellow brick roads in the PG, no safe zones, no "perfect" times. Waiting until life allows for a child is a Milky Way concept, and only in certain places of the world.
That's true, but from what I've seen of Teyla her focus is ridding the PG of the wraith before any child. It doesn't look welcome and especially after being lost adrift, it would be something she'd hold back from. I would see her getting pregnant intentionally or unintentionally within a logical relationship after Missing, but she's obviously pregnant before to find it out after the ep (if the rumor is true).


Sounds like you'll be very disappointed if they go that route.
Yeah, I probably would. I mind starts ranging on how much time Teyla is or not spending with the child. Who is the kid spending time with? Is there a facility for babysitting? What kind of precautions are on site to protect the kid? Will I hear baby crying? How problematic will this be for a group of scientists, it's not like we're on Earth and you can drop the kid off at daycare? I just find baby stories pervasive. I was telling Suz the same thing if Katie got pregnant for McKay (we were talking about the comment JM had in his blog). I just think a baby, a live one and not one in the womb---just is rarely executed properly. It's like watching a rape story on a soap opera---it's never true to form and very wishy washy. I'd rather never have it happen to be safe. So if Teyla is pregnant my recommendation is it doesn't go to fruition.

I won't hate the show, but I'd probably jump over it. I don't care what the parasite is...human or not, I wouldn't be too keen on it crawling around.


You can be pro (as in supportive of season four and positive about the stories and show's direction?) and worry they'll screw it up, but on this one, I agree with you.
I agree with you there, I have a few of my own concerns which I've shared before.


If they go with an aberration or monster, their course is easy. It's not a very complicated story. Hero gets wickedly abused or tricked, there is a consequence followed by much angst and concern, discussions of ifs by friends and doctors and scientists and fellow Athosians followed by nail-biting and finally a birth. Options after birth: keep it, kill it, or give it away. Not rocket science, as I said. It's straight sci-fi. Crap, I'm yawning already.
No probs for me, I'm more into the Athosian problem and any angst she might have towards the SGA ex for some weird feeling of guilt and betrayal---oh yeah. <---That's what I want to see. :)


For me to sit on the edge of my seat over the Teyla pregnancy subplot, yadda, yadda, it would have to be something besides the above.

I don't expect that's going to be true for every viewer, but it is true for me.
I don't think the writers are expecting people sitting at the edge of their seat over it. That's why they don't talk too much about it...the focus for them if you see the previews or interviews is always about the interrelationship of the crew and their relationship with their allies and enemies. I think fandom has definitely went into a different direction that may not have been the intention of the writers. My focus is not on the parasite. I'm more concerned about the other 5 or so subplots in regards to Teyla.


I don't think we play on the same threads, VB.[/qoute]
Agreed, beyond the JT thread I begged Suz for and maybe sporadically on the Teyla appreciation. We most definitely do not share much.

[QUOTE=expendable_crewman;7086850]Wow, we're going all sorts of places. Nice leaps and pretty big bounds. Maybe we should wrap up this convo and leave it at that.
Most likely since I definitely not getting your point. Currently, the season is almost around the corner anyway, and all speculations and conjecture will be confirmed or claims in the wind. Either way in the end, none of the concerns matter since when it comes to what we have to expect on Teyla this season...they've been written and filmed. We just have to wait and see what is presented to us on screen and just deal which ever way it goes; and whinge (or jump for joy) on the ep commentary thread.


Already wrote my post before I saw this. You can ignore mine too.

Meh, felt like responding. :S

Ruffles
September 10th, 2007, 07:05 PM
My power of smell is unbelievable. :D Much like Teyla's Wraith abilities, I developed this ability of sensing all aspects of parasites after my stint as an elementary school professor. ~sigh~ Best contraceptive on Earth. :P

ROFL!! Seriously? *tries to get mental image of that* Nope. Can't see it. Got any pics?



Yeah, I probably would. I mind starts ranging on how much time Teyla is or not spending with the child. Who is the kid spending time with? Is there a facility for babysitting? What kind of precautions are on site to protect the kid? Will I hear baby crying? How problematic will this be for a group of scientists, it's not like we're on Earth and you can drop the kid off at daycare? I just find baby stories pervasive. I was telling Suz the same thing if Katie got pregnant for McKay (we were talking about the comment JM had in his blog). I just think a baby, a live one and not one in the womb---just is rarely executed properly. It's like watching a rape story on a soap opera---it's never true to form and very wishy washy. I'd rather never have it happen to be safe. So if Teyla is pregnant my recommendation is it doesn't go to fruition.

Those pesky Ancients had to have kids somewhere on Atlantis (even though we've had very few hints of it - the explanation of the holo Daniel uses in Pegasus Project comes to mind) so there must be a nursery/school area. But you're right - having a child around creates all sorts of story complications. Right now I wonder if it will even be resolved in S4.

vaberella
September 11th, 2007, 06:28 AM
ROFL!! Seriously? *tries to get mental image of that* Nope. Can't see it. Got any pics?
For Rufs!!! :D Fortunately I don't. I will tell you the story of what happened to me on my first day with first graders. Now first graders are demonic beings with unlimited amount of energy. This was a catholic school...so of course that means their energy was leashed, until apparently I came along.

So one of them says to me, I want to go to the bathroom. And I'm like whatever, go to the toilet---yes, I said whatever. Then another one is like I need to use the bathroom. And I'm like okay, then about 3 more, at this point say who else needs the bathroom. They knew me as Ms. B. :S It's difficult having a french name, little kids can't pronounce it. Anyway most of the class raises their hands.

And me, I don't know if it's because I forgot what it was like being a kid (I wasn't like that as a kid, so I couldn't relate)---I opened my big mouth and said anyone who needs to use the bathroom can---and for that instance I understood how the Pharoah of Egypt felt when he let the Jews free...:S

So I did what any great Pharoah would do, I ran after them like a headless chicken all over the school, scrambling to get the roaches back to their desks without the principal killing me. :S Now I was always luke-warm about kids, after that it was a definite dislike for them, their parents, and I wanted to get my tubes tied and what not.

In regards to the tube tied thing, it's utter non-sense Rufs. So my friend right, she's like she got a new parasite. And I'm like thanks, infesting the world more and more. :rolleyes: She's so cool, she was like "somebody's got to do the job.." Anyway I'm like I'm so getting my tubes tied, and she says to me...hers were tied. I almost died Rufs. I almost shut down and died. So my decision was made for me----I'm done with the opposite sex in fear that even smelling them might get me in a predicament. [<----said in total jest :D] Anyway it's true she still got pregnant besides the tube---that's the power of super sperm. :S

Anyway, I'm going on about how he's almost an immaculate conception and she's like we named him Gabriel. Gabriel, Rufs?! I couldn't believe it...God's hitman. She named him after God's hitman, so I tell her that and she's like she knows and that's why they named him Gabriel. I loved it. Okay total OT.





Those pesky Ancients had to have kids somewhere on Atlantis (even though we've had very few hints of it - the explanation of the holo Daniel uses in Pegasus Project comes to mind) so there must be a nursery/school area. But you're right - having a child around creates all sorts of story complications. Right now I wonder if it will even be resolved in S4.

Yeah, you're right, although I have to ask do the Ancients look like they were ever kids?! They look like they were born Taltos style... But you might be right. It does, I just think of the every day things that would just annoy me...it actually might make me dislike Teyla rather than liking her. I might find her a totally unfit mother because of the way that storyline is executed. And it's not really her fault, it's just writing just never flows well. I mean if you're not the Cosby show with some older siblings and a Dad and Mom who seem to be able to make their family time. Or at least a nanny around for 100% of the time, I always get the feeling there's some sort of neglect especially in a place that has tons of military and scientists. It's just not functional right now at least to have something like that on the show. Not until I start seeing Atlantis truly a city/city and not a base, if you get my meaning. Because when that's been established then you can bring in other cats.

Plus, with SGA ex's problem with getting and maintaining friends, which they have none of...but pissing everyone off---which they do with an uncanny ability. <----Sounds like me---almost, I have some, tiny limited amount of friends. It's just not kosher. That parasite no matter if it's human or not, would barely be able to survive and would be an awful hindrance to Teyla. ~sigh~

It's up in the air I think right now whether the kid will be resolved this issue. JM did confirm that in S5, if there is one they will be maintain the rough storyline they have going on here...so I think that means more John and Teyla story arc (respective of each other; since I find them the most lacking). And whatever else, but the baby could be taken out in S4, or resolved and dealt with in early S5, if there is one. Or for those who might be hoping on the parasitic development who knows maybe in S5, they really work it out or something.

Erised
September 11th, 2007, 08:17 AM
They should have done what they did with AT.. Have Teyla leave to another planet for awhile to help someone.
Babies and SciFi don't mix...p

PG15
September 11th, 2007, 06:18 PM
The problem is though, that RL is going to be pregnant for most of Season 4. If you don't talk about the reason why her belly is getting huge, you'll probably had to write her out by midway through the season.

seldear
September 12th, 2007, 11:47 PM
The problem is though, that RL is going to be pregnant for most of Season 4. If you don't talk about the reason why her belly is getting huge, you'll probably had to write her out by midway through the season.And since they'd already ignored RL and Teyla for the last two seasons and had promised RL a story arc for Teyla in S4...

Without consideration for the fact that RL has a real life beyond the show, it was unfortunate that she had to get pregnant just as the writers started to pay attention to the character.

With consideration that the show is only part of her life, it's good that the writers think enough of her to write her pregnancy in, rather than banishing her character to character limbo for yet another year.

I wouldn't have stood for it.

I might have sat for it, though!

Sel.

Killdeer
October 1st, 2007, 02:00 PM
And another interview with Rachel Luttrell. I've posted this in several places, and I think it should also go here. Spoilers for Season 4, especially one big one in particular. This is for Ruffles, since she said:


I'm still holding out for Unknown Guy. :D



And just which character on 'Stargate: Atlantis' was it that got Teyla in this 'motherly way'?! "Well, you haven't met him. I will say though that he's part of her childhood. He's a part of how she was raised and reflective of her principles and how she grew up."

Stop beating about the bush ... what's this character's name?! "The character's name is 'Kanan,' how's that," she laughs. "That is the father-to-be. There you go, that tidbit's for free," she laughs heartily again.

Come on now, just throw me one other small bone of exclusive insider knowledge! "OK, I will also say that the actor also has a rather pivotal role in '300'," she laughs.

Source: http://www.annecarlini.com/ex_interviews.php?id=816

expendable_crewman
October 1st, 2007, 03:00 PM
And another interview with Rachel Luttrell. I've posted this in several places, and I think it should also go here. Spoilers for Season 4, especially one big one in particular. This is for Ruffles, since she said:






Source: http://www.annecarlini.com/ex_interviews.php?id=816

As a fan of Sheppard and Teyla, I say ...

... Thank God for fanfiction.

As a fan who was cringing ...

... from a monster storyline, I say okay, bring it on. Hmm. 300, as in 300 the movie? There were some forms in that film that played easy on the eye.

Killdeer
December 26th, 2007, 05:52 PM
OK. I dug this thread up specifically to throw something out for discussion. I don't think we'll have long to wait to find the answer, since I'm betting that the pregnancy reveal comes in BAMSR.

But here's what I was thinking about. Does anyone else think that there might be a good chance that Ronon knows Teyla is pregnant? I was just rewatching some episodes, and it struck me that he's been awfully protective of her lately, and I'm not meaning that in a shippy way. I'm wondering if Ronon might not have some medical knowledge? In Tabula Rasa, he was the first one to clue in that the fact that he and Teyla were not sick was significant. And I think Ronon probably knows Teyla better than anyone else on the base (again meaning that in a non-ship way). If anyone were to notice it, it would be him IMO. My theory, which I would love to turn out to be true, but it probably won't :), is that Ronon knows Teyla is pregnant, but he's just waiting for her to tell everyone when she's ready.

He seemed concerned for her in Tabula Rasa. In Missing, he was the one that noticed that they hadn't checked in, and got the ball rolling to rescue them.

But in The Seer (this is the one that got my attention and really made me sit up and start thinking about this), when the team goes through the gate to the Seer's planet and is met at the gate, Ronon is on the opposite side of the team from Teyla. When the people approach, he turns and walks behind John and Rodney over to stand behind Teyla. I mean - he's not just standing a little closer to her. He deliberately crossed over to where she was. That's...kind of odd, don't you think? Unless he really does know that she's pregnant and is watching out for her.

Just some thoughts! :) I'm not sure what needs to go in spoiler tags here. :S

Also, second question for discussion, which episode do you think the team will find out in? As I've already said, my vote is for BAMSR. The scenario I'm envisioning has something happen on the mission where she is helping John and Ronon evacuate people, and she ends up having to tell them before she's ready.

ladyjanus
December 26th, 2007, 08:22 PM
I really hope the preganacy reveal comes soon. With the emotional punch of the Altantis team being told that Elizabeth is dead (is she, really? or were the replicators lying?) it would be a powerful counterpoint for the characters and the fans alike to come to terms one way or another with another major change in the team dynamic.

My worst fear is that the writers and producers drop the ball, somehow, and we end up with nothing more than an aside in the story line, an asterick in the plot synopsis, rather than an integral part of Teyla's character development and the plot line.

ladyjanus

seldear
December 29th, 2007, 02:19 PM
My worst fear is that the writers and producers drop the ball, somehow, and we end up with nothing more than an aside in the story line, an asterick in the plot synopsis, rather than an integral part of Teyla's character development and the plot line.

ladyjanusYep, that terrifies me as well. But there's nothing to be done for it but hope and pray.

And write in to them telling them that we want more Teyla next year.

Sel.

ladyjanus
December 29th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Yup, I definitely want more Teyla than we've been getting. More ferocious, mama-lioness Teyla, kickin' butt and doing what it takes to save her people, her team, her young'un, maybe even her man, whoever that turns out to be.

You know, although I am an unrepentant shipper — and I do definitely ship Shepherd/Teyla — I would just about settle for any of the characters to get a storyline that involves a mature romantic/sexual/emotional relationship of some sort. One of the things I have always loved about the Stargate universe is that it is rooted in reality, set in a world that's just one step removed from the one we really live in, the here and now. And in the real world, stuff like love and sex and marriage and breakups happen. And they do not HAVE to detract from the action/adventure parts of the stories. Not if they are handled with even a little bit of effort and committment on the part of not just the writers and producers but the audiences as well.

Besides, don't the actors deserve some material they can sink their teeth into? Something really emotional?

ladyjanus

PG15
December 29th, 2007, 09:44 PM
Some bits from a recent JM interview:


SoSF: Speaking of character development, which character do you think really shined this season and which one has changed the most?

JM: Well, second question first. “Teyla” for obvious reasons The character is pregnant and I mentioned in other interviews we had originally set out to do a dark “Teyla” turn, the mystery of the missing “Athosians” kicks off, I guess sort of a decent for her character with more of an edge. We saw a bit of it in “Missing”, but ultimately wouldn’t be able to pursue because of the pregnancy and the fact that the pregnancy story took precedence, so that played through Season 4 with the missing “Athosians” and the mystery with what’s up with “Teyla”, then we find out in the back half, or the team finds out, she’s pregnant and they all react somewhat differently to the news and as the back half of the season progresses, this pregnancy actually dove tails into a couple of story lines. Teyla’s’ story and pregnancy take a bit of a dark turn at the end of Season 4, then ultimately have the baby and that will impact the character and is something for Season 5. So with reference to which character changes, she is definitely the character that changes the most in Season 4 and sorry the first half of the question was which character…



EDIT: An addition:


SoSF: Every fan of SGA wants to know if you guys plan to further develop the relationship between Shepard and Teyla beyond [a platonic] friendship?

JM: I can answer that one directly. There are no plans to pursue either a Teyla/Sheppard or a Teyla/Ronon romantic relationship. We find that very early on that the father of Teyla’s baby is neither of them. Teyla will be attached, shall we say.

SoSF: Oh, ok.

JM: Sorry about that.

SoSF: We know in ‘Missing’ she makes mention of a new beau but we also know from the prior three seasons there’s been this teasing between Shepard and Teyla.

JM: True. I would say for the time being, she will be attached in Season 4, obviously her beau is in absentia. One thing the fans might be interested in seeing or read into it…what they will…what is Shepard’s reaction to the news she’s pregnant?





Well, there are always fanfics.

http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2007/12/30/a-slice-of-scifi-interview-with-sgas-joe-mallozzi/

vaberella
December 29th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Thanks for the update PG15.

And that's why I'm such an aggressive multi-shipper...I've become borderline non-shipper since I think everyone should mack everyone at this point. Hopefully, we'll get some intense scenes between Teyla and her Kanan (300 hottie), I hope he's my fave, then I can live vicariously through her.


Michael Fassbender
(Azazeal), let it be you, please, please!!! :) Oh, please, oh please, I can't beg enough!!! Michael Fassbender in a loin cloth and oil. ~sigh~ With Teyla oiled...wow~~ Almost as good as the kiss below.

I still find Teyla/John a viable ship, but all ships on tv, let alone scifi are a based on a roll of a die. They really shouldn't exist but they keep the ladies happy and/or love sick saps who like scifi. :D

PG15
December 29th, 2007, 10:35 PM
You know, if a ship actually existed for sure on Atlantis (that it was obvious it was going to get development), then I'll probably be shipping it. That's the thing I discovered from loving another show, Avatar: The Last Airbender, which turned me into a fullfledged shipper for that series.

I'm just a romantic at heart. ;)

Killdeer
December 29th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Thanks for the link to the interview PG15! Great information about Teyla - looks like her arc will continue on into S5 - that's good news!

There was something else buried in that article - did you notice? I posted over in the S5 thread....

vaberella
December 29th, 2007, 11:54 PM
You know, if a ship actually existed for sure on Atlantis (that it was obvious it was going to get development), then I'll probably be shipping it. That's the thing I discovered from loving another show, Avatar: The Last Airbender, which turned me into a fullfledged shipper for that series.

I'm just a romantic at heart. ;)

Scifi men, what saps!!! :lol:

Thanks for the link to the interview PG15! Great information about Teyla - looks like her arc will continue on into S5 - that's good news!
JM had already stated her arc would go onto S5 if there was one around July of his blog--give or take a month.

Falcon Horus
December 30th, 2007, 08:55 AM
*dies of an underdose of Teyla*

It seems my interpretation of character development and JM's is quite different. 4.5 will have to make a 180° turn concerning Teyla.

And oh yeah, not every fan cares about shipping Teyla and Sheppard. My ship, of course, sank in Doppelganger (not in my verse though).

jelgate
December 30th, 2007, 09:01 AM
*dies of an underdose of Teyla*

It seems my interpretation of character development and JM's is quite different. 4.5 will have to make a 180° turn concerning Teyla.

And oh yeah, not every fan cares about shipping Teyla and Sheppard. My ship, of course, sank in Doppelganger (not in my verse though).

But FH you can't battle a underdoes (S2 and S3) with an overdose. I like Teyla and am satisified with the amount of development we have had for her. In Missing, we had character development for both Keller and Teyla. I guess my point is that you can't expect several episodes that are only about Teyla. I sure do love her arc.

*waits for FH's retaliation*

Falcon Horus
December 30th, 2007, 09:56 AM
But FH you can't battle a underdoes (S2 and S3) with an overdose. I like Teyla and am satisified with the amount of development we have had for her. In Missing, we had character development for both Keller and Teyla. I guess my point is that you can't expect several episodes that are only about Teyla. I sure do love her arc.

*waits for FH's retaliation*

Sorry, no retaliation... It appears that having Sheppard and McKay rule Atlantis is enough. And Teyla having her token-episode as well. I have yet to see anything new about her that we didn't know yet... so far, nothing.

vaberella
December 30th, 2007, 12:44 PM
But FH you can't battle a underdoes (S2 and S3) with an overdose. I like Teyla and am satisified with the amount of development we have had for her. In Missing, we had character development for both Keller and Teyla. I guess my point is that you can't expect several episodes that are only about Teyla. I sure do love her arc.

*waits for FH's retaliation*

As unfortunate as it is for me to agree with Falcon Horus, I have to say that I didn't find Teyla with development in Missing. Except for several minute eps throughout S2/S3 after her introduction in S1. Beyond that, she's had nothing of serious quality just more confirmation on assumptions rather than development of mysterious things or a complex identity we didnt know about (Ronon as per example). I've tolerated and liked Teyla for the last few seasons. I don't agree with the people who make it seem as though she's in need of rescuing and there's nothing to garner from the character.

I think the above assumptions are completely incorrect and really are a testimony to people's favoritism sensibilities. But I won't deny that many times over that it's not that Teyla gets character development, it's mainly confirmation on who Teyla is based on assumptions fans have made on the past or can assume because of a generic and ultimately weak understanding of characters of the same elk.

For example, Teyla has been compared to Teyla on many an occasion and on some level sure. There are times like I see Teyla and I think she can be easily a hybrid of Xena/Gabrielle had sex with Storm---there's Teyla. Unforunately, altough I like her she's fairly generic.

But then I feel that way about all the women of SGA. There's sort of revolutionary Step-ford wifish aspect to them. Like if you had created this ideal strong woman who can do almost everything---on many levels you'd have the ladies of SGA in different degrees. Excluding Carter from SG, the ladies of SGA have been carbon copies of something and clearly under utilized compared to the men and especially compared to great characters like Ronon--who came in so late while the women were there from the beginning.

This is unfortunately the crutch of the matter. Sure, I have hope there may be something juicy and I have hope in S5, but really the facts are plain to see. There have been several episodes that have fallen down the drain that have had Teyla and I just saw nothing, while people thought Teyla was Godlike and made me go, "huh". Missing wasn't really development in my book, but more so a history lesson. Something that was needed on Teyla back in Season 2. S4 was just too late to bring that in, in my estimation.

expendable_crewman
December 31st, 2007, 01:04 PM
... Except for several minute eps throughout S2/S3 after her introduction in S1. Beyond that, she's had nothing of serious quality just more confirmation on assumptions rather than development of mysterious things or a complex identity we didnt know about (Ronon as per example). I've tolerated and liked Teyla for the last few seasons. I don't agree with the people who make it seem as though she's in need of rescuing and there's nothing to garner from the character.

I think the above assumptions are completely incorrect and really are a testimony to people's favoritism sensibilities.

I think you're right about assumptions going to show the viewer's interests. I think, too, you may be right to a certain extent about Missing.

"Development" comes from relevant interaction, new choices, growth, and Teyla, apparently, arrived on the show fully grown.

Your comparison to Ronon has a ring of truth. He arrived with no use for (or memory of) eating utensils (which was a bit over the top, but okay), let alone companions, and **grew** to an attachment to Atlantis and its people that was so profound the writers used loss of both ...

Doppleganger spoiler:
... as one of his worst nightmares.
The (reluctant) connections to others and to a place, at least from Ronon's POV, were grown in increments, over many episodes.

Even that awkward period in season one between Teyla and Bates can't compare to the Ronon saga because Teyla's character (and Bates') stayed unchanged, and because Bates didn't represent Atlantis per se or the expedition collectively.

Me, I am going to like a character who's been given a load of adversity but doesn't cart it around like a badge. Yeah sure, it's always a mixed bag. Ronon was too surly in the beginning for me to really like him, but I felt sorry for him and I liked to watch him fight. He's also easy on the eyes.

Teyla's strength appeals to me in symbolic terms (in a heroic way) far more than Sheppard's, and when I say that, I mean that Sheppard is the "type" of warrior that arrives on the scene bruised. He's brusque and adamant, typically a loner.

Teyla is soft-spoken, she likes others, she's generous when she has every reason to be (instead) wary, surly, cynical, etc. She could be an archetype for the noble warrior-- but not the road-weary or scarred type we see in what's called modernized warrior tales. Not Xena or Gabrielle. Not even Storm, who has been around a long time. Xena and Gabrielle brood. Teyla does what she has to, but she doesn't angst in the "what's it all for?" manner.

Makes me wonder if the Teyla character expanded or grew, would she do it by learning to brood in just the way Ronon learned to stop brooding.

Erase gender from the equation, and Teyla can be an archetype for an old-style western sheriff or marshal, an even-tempered widower with a kid and ties to a town that fuel his determination to protect it at all costs. The bad guys come, and he shoots ... he shoots effectively but with innate understanding that he has taken human life. Then he goes on with his simple, pleasant life, tipping his hat to his fellow townees, never boastful, trying to be a positive example for his son.


But then I feel that way about all the women of SGA. There's sort of revolutionary Step-ford wifish aspect to them. Like if you had created this ideal strong woman who can do almost everything---on many levels you'd have the ladies of SGA in different degrees. Excluding Carter from SG, the ladies of SGA have been carbon copies of something and clearly under utilized compared to the men and especially compared to great characters like Ronon--who came in so late while the women were there from the beginning.

Erase gender and the same can be said about all the characters ... except the Stepford-ish part, which I don't see at all.

Most of the regular faces represent a "type", and if they got no development they stayed part of that "ideal" set, and then we the viewers fleshed them out.

Weir could have been a man, Teyla could have been a man, and McKay (in the beginning) could have been a woman.

Ronon passed everyone but McKay in development, and so they aren't types anymore.

Although Sheppard has shifted in several ways, he still has the core traits that make him a "type" and I'm almost afraid the writers like it that way. If they don't break the mold and turn him one way, but not another, essentially let him break out, then viewers can continue to fill in the gaps with the things they like (or don't like) and there's no risk-taking.

I wish I knew what made Ronon and McKay so interesting to their writers. To me, Teyla was by far the most interesting of the "types," with Sheppard coming in second. Maybe that's why they were pretty much left alone, who knows?