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Reefgirl
June 10th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Not sure if this is the place to put this (although I'm sure it'll be moved if it isn't) but do they have guest writer's on the show. After last seasons poor writing from the regulars this may be an idea, how about importing Stephen Moffat, Paul Cornell and Mark Gatiss?

PG15
June 10th, 2007, 01:26 PM
Nope.

Due to SG1 being cancelled, the writing staff for Atlantis is quite full.

Reefgirl
June 10th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Damn the crap goes on :( these guys are brilliant at proper, scary Sci Fi

PG15
June 10th, 2007, 01:34 PM
But do they know how to write for the Atlantis characters?

Reefgirl
June 10th, 2007, 01:38 PM
They can't be any worse than the regular writers, they have done other things, Mark Gatiss was in the League of Gentlemen and writes books, Paul Cornell writes books as well as scripts, Stephen Moffat used to write romantic stuff

Steve_the_Wraith
June 10th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Who knows maybe the writing will improve, I think it will. When season 3 was airing the writers were working flat out to meet deadlines, writing 40 episodes.

Nowadays they're only trying to write 20 episodes so they have alot ore time to devote to the scripts, which I hope will result in better writings

PG15
June 10th, 2007, 02:21 PM
They can't be any worse than the regular writers, they have done other things, Mark Gatiss was in the League of Gentlemen and writes books, Paul Cornell writes books as well as scripts, Stephen Moffat used to write romantic stuff

No...I'm pretty sure they can, if they don't know the "voices" of the characters.

Wraith_Boy
June 10th, 2007, 03:43 PM
They can't be any worse than the regular writers, they have done other things, Mark Gatiss was in the League of Gentlemen and writes books, Paul Cornell writes books as well as scripts, Stephen Moffat used to write romantic stuff

If I were in charge of MGM or had a say, then I honestly would move the new 3rd series & everything new in future away from Bridge to another studio.

What I think is lacking isn't necessarily down to the writers, I think all they need is a new strong showrunner that is distant from the other writers. Meaning someone who hasn't worked with them for many years, doesn't consider them to be buddies & so won't have anything to distract them from making the correct choices for the good of series. Whereas someone who's been there for 10 years like BW or RC may have problems telling someone like JM that they want the show to go this way, even though he wants to take it in another direction.

To me that's the most important part of it all, they have someone strong in charge that has their vision for how the show will play out. If they get some that doesn't seem right, then they'll have no qualms in hurting anyone by telling so. Had this been the case, then I'm sure Lucius may not have made an appearance never mind 2. While people like Ford are running in limbo, where he can't even get a single ep to give the fans a proper resolution to the character's fate etc.

I think it would be best for Stargate to take a new direction after Atlantis, if Stargate were my franchise, then after SG-1 was cancelled, Atlantis (if it goes after S4). I honestly wouldn't put the continued future of the entire franshise in the hands of a bunch of people that got the only 2 previous shows canned within a year or 2 of each other.

While it's in the hands of 'Bridge Studios', especially now SG-1 is gone from the air every week, they probably won't ever need or acept any outside stories from anyone besides their writing team. Whether that's for the good of Atlantis or not, only time will tell!

prion
June 10th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Not sure if this is the place to put this (although I'm sure it'll be moved if it isn't) but do they have guest writer's on the show. After last seasons poor writing from the regulars this may be an idea, how about importing Stephen Moffat, Paul Cornell and Mark Gatiss?

It's unfortunate but they consolidated staff, so last in, first out. No more guest writers, which is a shame, as the writer for "Common ground" (a VERY popular Sheppard episode) was penned by a freelance/new writer, who is now no longer with the show.

Mitchell82
June 10th, 2007, 07:40 PM
They can't be any worse than the regular writers, they have done other things, Mark Gatiss was in the League of Gentlemen and writes books, Paul Cornell writes books as well as scripts, Stephen Moffat used to write romantic stuff

Oh yes they can. First they don't know the characters at all and if the writing needed help, which I don't think it does, all adding more writers would do is hurt the writing not improve it. Still I think the writing is fine IMO.

scifi_lemon
June 10th, 2007, 08:16 PM
Oh yes they can. First they don't know the characters at all and if the writing needed help, which I don't think it does, all adding more writers would do is hurt the writing not improve it. Still I think the writing is fine IMO.

Ditto.

Redhooks
June 10th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Oh yes they can. First they don't know the characters at all and if the writing needed help, which I don't think it does, all adding more writers would do is hurt the writing not improve it. Still I think the writing is fine IMO.

No...I'm pretty sure they can, if they don't know the "voices" of the characters.

But do they know how to write for the Atlantis characters?
If you are a good writer, you can look back at the first couple of seasons and understand the characters, IMHO. Most, if not all, of the stories are read through by the showrunners and other writers for any minor mistakes in characters or continuity anyway. I think this is wrong time anyway for more writers. They should have divided up the writing and showrunner duties between the shows with maybe one or two crossovers a year when SGA started. Then maybe it would have gelled by now instead of Paul Mullie having to say it hasn't yet and Joe Mallozzi saying things they could explore now that the couldn't before.

It's unfortunate but they consolidated staff, so last in, first out. No more guest writers, which is a shame, as the writer for "Common ground" (a VERY popular Sheppard episode) was penned by a freelance/new writer, who is now no longer with the show.

I missed "Common Ground" so I can't comment on that, but didn't Ken Cuperis (sp?) also write "The Ark?" I like the story concept, just not the execution in the final act. You had to suspend disbelieve too much with Sheppard being able to fly "anything", IMO.


Who knows maybe the writing will improve, I think it will. When season 3 was airing the writers were working flat out to meet deadlines, writing 40 episodes.

Nowadays they're only trying to write 20 episodes so they have alot ore time to devote to the scripts, which I hope will result in better writings

I agree. Having to lay out only one show's season plotline and write only 20 scripts is "the last, best hope" for the show to paraphrase a Sci-Fi writer/showrunner who wrote some of the best Sci-Fi TV shows in the last 20 years IMO.

Alipeeps
June 10th, 2007, 11:53 PM
I missed "Common Ground" so I can't comment on that, but didn't Ken Cuperis (sp?) also write "The Ark?" I like the story concept, just not the execution in the final act. You had to suspend disbelieve too much with Sheppard being able to fly "anything", IMO.


Ken Cuperus did indeed write The Ark and also last Friday's Submersion. And he used to come and chat with us here on GW and was a sweetie... :D

Reefgirl
June 11th, 2007, 12:48 AM
If they used Dr Who's Chief Writer Russell T Davis for an episode the Slasher's would be turning cartwheels ;)

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2007, 10:12 AM
Ken Cuperus did indeed write The Ark and also last Friday's Submersion. And he used to come and chat with us here on GW and was a sweetie... :D

I too liked that and hope he comes back, as to the eps IMO he does a good job.

StanTheAncient
June 11th, 2007, 06:12 PM
You know ive noticed a weird trend for these shows the past few years. Regardless of who is writing- it seems that episodes that contribute to the overall storyline of the show are of much higher quality than the bottle eps. And that is usually due to them having great character moments in them. I like bottle eps to some extent but it seems weird that their are many more bottle shows than the other. I have watched many scifi programs and it seems like the fans always appreciate more arc heavy storylines. I know that scifi channel tends to like bottle shows to encourage casual veiwing but it seems that this strategy only serves to drive away loyal fans and not bring in new ones due to the decreased character exploration and interaction. Why wouldnt the writers concentrate on the style that consistly earns higher marks?

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2007, 07:35 PM
You know ive noticed a weird trend for these shows the past few years. Regardless of who is writing- it seems that episodes that contribute to the overall storyline of the show are of much higher quality than the bottle eps. And that is usually due to them having great character moments in them. I like bottle eps to some extent but it seems weird that their are many more bottle shows than the other. I have watched many scifi programs and it seems like the fans always appreciate more arc heavy storylines. I know that scifi channel tends to like bottle shows to encourage casual veiwing but it seems that this strategy only serves to drive away loyal fans and not bring in new ones due to the decreased character exploration and interaction. Why wouldnt the writers concentrate on the style that consistly earns higher marks?
It depends on what you consider a "bottle" ep. Do you consider character driven stories ie "Tao of Rodney", "Sateda", or "The Real World" bottle eps? I think even if it isnt part of the main arc ie, not a Wraith or Asuran story if it develops a character it is essential to the main plot.

scifi_lemon
June 11th, 2007, 07:40 PM
It depends on what you consider a "bottle" ep. Do you consider character driven stories ie "Tao of Rodney", "Sateda", or "The Real World" bottle eps? I think even if it isnt part of the main arc ie, not a Wraith or Asuran story if it develops a character it is essential to the main plot.

I think he means eps like 'The Ark' and 'Bounty', that don't have character development or relates to the main plot.

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I think he means eps like 'The Ark' and 'Bounty', that don't have character development or relates to the main plot.

Most likely but so many different views on what exactly a bottle ep is. If thats the case there were only a handfull in season 3 if I remember correctly.

Atlantis1
June 11th, 2007, 08:07 PM
Ken Cuperus did indeed write The Ark and also last Friday's Submersion. And he used to come and chat with us here on GW and was a sweetie... :D

IMO, he was the best writer for SGA. His shows are great.

scifi_lemon
June 11th, 2007, 08:09 PM
IMO, he was the best writer for SGA. His shows are great.

Ditto. I like him and Martin Gero.

PG15
June 11th, 2007, 08:15 PM
Guys, the shows you're talking about are "stand-alones". "Bottle shows" are those that involve only the main characters and the main sets in order to save money, like "Hot Zone".

scifi_lemon
June 11th, 2007, 08:20 PM
Guys, the shows you're talking about are "stand-alones". "Bottle shows" are those that involve only the main characters and the main sets in order to save money, like "Hot Zone".

Ah. I see the difference. Thanks.

Mitchell82
June 11th, 2007, 08:27 PM
Guys, the shows you're talking about are "stand-alones". "Bottle shows" are those that involve only the main characters and the main sets in order to save money, like "Hot Zone".

*headdesk* D'oh stupid overworked brain. I knew that.:o

StanTheAncient
June 12th, 2007, 06:36 AM
i guess what i was referring to was the "stand alone" the shows that may or may not have arc elements in them, but ultimately dont drive the overall story that much. I do enjoy all eps of Atlantis, its just weird to me sometimes that there is this big culling of the wraith going on out there and that isnt featured in too many episodes. i Guess its not to big of a deal with the Wraith anymore as the writers seem to be turning them into more of a second tier bad guy in favor of the replicators. I just hope they dont do on Atlantis what they did on Sg-1 with the replicators. That is they Destroyed them in one episode and then had to wait for them to rebuild until we saw them again. I would like more of an arc on the Reps instead of them just being wiped out evry time we meet them and then there is 2 blocks left over

Oh im sure ill still watch if they dont introduce more coherent arcs. i just wish they would

Mitchell82
June 12th, 2007, 07:43 AM
i guess what i was referring to was the "stand alone" the shows that may or may not have arc elements in them, but ultimately dont drive the overall story that much. I do enjoy all eps of Atlantis, its just weird to me sometimes that there is this big culling of the wraith going on out there and that isnt featured in too many episodes. i Guess its not to big of a deal with the Wraith anymore as the writers seem to be turning them into more of a second tier bad guy in favor of the replicators. I just hope they dont do on Atlantis what they did on Sg-1 with the replicators. That is they Destroyed them in one episode and then had to wait for them to rebuild until we saw them again. I would like more of an arc on the Reps instead of them just being wiped out evry time we meet them and then there is 2 blocks left over

Oh im sure ill still watch if they dont introduce more coherent arcs. i just wish they would
I see your point but IMO you need the "stand alones" in any series especially Stargate. Too many arc eps leaves no room for character development IMO.

StanTheAncient
June 12th, 2007, 08:20 AM
ah well just a personal preference i guess. Actually i just wish there was more epsisodes so i could have more of each type