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Konan
May 16th, 2007, 04:09 AM
Hey first thread and first post!

Something that I have noticed, and was wondering if anyone else noticed that the special effects on the Worlds that both SGA/SG1 have visited? They don't appear to be as alien as when they first started out. For example, Season 1 of SG1 we were seeing some heavy backgrounds that were completely off the charts (for it's time).

I was just wondering if anyone was as keen as I am in seeing some real nice wide angle shots of a alien sky and landscape from a mountain peak.

Just wish to see the same kind of detail put into the background and lighting on the outside as they put into the wide shots of Atlantis. Or perhaps I'm just bored of looking at the ocean with Atlantis in the middle. ;)

To give you an Idea over what I'm talking about think of the movie "Pitch Black" or something along those lines.

Maltrancko
May 16th, 2007, 04:28 AM
i think its to save money on a show that has fans more interested in the characters within the story than a cg nature show?

just thinkin aloud here?

Konan
May 16th, 2007, 04:42 AM
Yeah you see some prity interesting stuff from orbit perspective (nothing grand though it's there). It just gets to me whenever I hear a scientist go on about a unique vegitation/planet and there is nothing really "unique" about it.

Wide shot's aren't that hard to come up with as they generally don't have to do much except sit there and maybe move slightly. Anyone with photoshop can come up with one in around 3 hours providing they know what they are doing.

I agree about the character comment though, it is more about the characters. Though every once and a while SGA/SG1 hits you with a special effect that takes you away from the characters. Just wish it was about the landscapes/lighting of a planet. Like Sheppard making a comment about the view...

Maltrancko
May 16th, 2007, 04:45 AM
Yeah you see some prity interesting stuff from orbit perspective (nothing grand though it's there). It just gets to me whenever I hear a scientist go on about a unique vegitation/planet and there is nothing really "unique" about it.

Wide shot's aren't that hard to come up with as they generally don't have to do much except sit there and maybe move slightly. Anyone with photoshop can come up with one in around 3 hours providing they know what they are doing.

I agree about the character comment though, it is more about the characters. Though every once and a while SGA/SG1 hits you with a special effect that takes you away from the characters. Just wish it was about the landscapes/lighting of a planet. Like Sheppard making a comment about the view...

well those cg guys do like a compliment once in a while... i agree that there should be more "alien" landscapes but when you think about the physics of it, if they were too alien how would humans live there? in terms of atmosphere and vegetational requirements... i mean see "red sky" of SG1 season 4 or 5 i think

Commander Ivanova
May 16th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Purple skies and pink rocks, you mean? Classic Trek-style.
I don't mind if nearly every planet looks like Canada. I'm not watching for the scenery.

Maltrancko
May 16th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Purple skies and pink rocks, you mean? Classic Trek-style.
I don't mind if nearly every planet looks like Canada. I'm not watching for the scenery.

so long as i dont see any obvious reference to maples im happy lol

FallenAngelII
May 16th, 2007, 04:52 AM
The Stargates have always been "low budget" shows. Their budgets are huge like on some other shows where they blow millions every week on CG.

And we love Stargate for so much more than their CG. It'd be boring with CG-fests and episodes with random weird stuff just for the sake of it.

Maltrancko
May 16th, 2007, 04:53 AM
The Stargates have always been "low budget" shows. Their budgets are huge like on some other shows where they blow millions every week on CG.

And we love Stargate for so much more than their CG. It'd be boring with CG-fests and episodes with random weird stuff just for the sake of it.

mind u we love a good space battle if its well written??

Konan
May 16th, 2007, 04:57 AM
i mean see "red sky" of SG1 season 4 or 5 i think

Or maybe "Window Of Opportunity"? Maybe it's all in the camera angle and what the camera is focusing on? You can have a paradise (with a Saturn like moon in very close orbit), and show it with intensity behind a character. But they don't cause it's easier to point the camera angle from high up and facing nothing but the grassy ground or a tree line or a town building, cause let's face it... Their cars and vans are probably near by... Just a green sheet here and there!!... Sigh :(

Konan
May 16th, 2007, 05:06 AM
mind u we love a good space battle if its well written??

Indeed... Though (maybe?) take it to the surface, and not in the space ships? Or in space?

Konan
May 16th, 2007, 05:18 AM
Purple skies and pink rocks, you mean? Classic Trek-style.
I don't mind if nearly every planet looks like Canada. I'm not watching for the scenery.

But a blue Star/Sun is generally pretty cool no?

ToasterOnFire
May 16th, 2007, 05:56 AM
I'd love to see them get away from the Medieval/Renaissance style that they use for so many villages... :mckay:

Commander Ivanova
May 16th, 2007, 07:00 AM
I'd love to see them get away from the Medieval/Renaissance style that they use for so many villages... :mckay:

True, but they spent a lot of time and money on that set so it has to earn its keep. While we're on the subject I'm also fairly tired of the recurring 'desert', 'abandoned quarry' and 'forest' sites that are now cropping up in SGA as well. But that's ok if they save up their money and CGI for the occasional honkin' great space battle.

Mister Oragahn
May 16th, 2007, 10:55 AM
i think its to save money on a show that has fans more interested in the characters within the story than a cg nature show?

just thinkin aloud here?

Of course. I mean, who would watch freaking STARgate to get a show about exploration of alien worlds, while we can get a show about lame main characters penned by writers who seem more interested in sitcoms instead?

Really...

PG15
May 16th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Hey, if you want to pay them the needed money to go that extra step, then all the power to you.

In the meantime, they're going to use that money in things that actually matter a bit, like actors and sets.

g.o.d
May 16th, 2007, 12:52 PM
same village, same forest, lack of space battles...it's really boring

perhaps now, they have more money (SG-1 was canceled) for new sets

Wraith_Boy
May 16th, 2007, 04:22 PM
I'd love to see them get away from the Medieval/Renaissance style that they use for so many villages... :mckay:

I think nearly everybody would. It would be cool to see advanced races in their advanced world, rather than countless Shakespearean rejects. However budgetary constraints means that can hardly ever happen. Especially now since they are now in the realm of rising production costs.

Obviously it would be nicer to see them running around on a cool Alien stage rather than some woods or forrest being chased by stick people. As long as it's cut to a bare minimum then I don't mind.

rarocks24
May 16th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Sateda was relatively on par with us. Even though they hadn't reached television, they still had radio.

The Genii are on par with the Satedans technologically, if not a bit more advanced, which I'm sure if not for the 9 years ago the Wraith culled Sateda that they'd be as advanced. As far as warfare goes, the Satedans were far more advanced than the Genii.

So the claim that all towns and villages are Renaissance/Medieval, especially in Stargate Atlantis, is absurd.

Also, I'm sure the Ancients terraformed the world in such a way as to support human life. This is why human worlds look so similar to each other.

The same thing was seen in Star Trek. Although there were some "quite" alien worlds, by the time TNG got popular enough, the whole alien world concept had been thrown out and Earth herbology was used. This was further elaborated in DS9 and by the time Voyager came around they really didn't bother.

Also, given the number of humanoid races in Star Trek, it's possible the herbology, similar to the humanoids of ST, are related in such a way as to sustain human life via natural evolution?

ToasterOnFire
May 16th, 2007, 04:49 PM
So the claim that all towns and villages are Renaissance/Medieval, especially in Stargate Atlantis, is absurd.
Of course it is. That's why I never made such a claim! :D I stated that they used those themes too often for my liking, not that they used those themes for every village they visited.


Is Atlantis really getting a bigger budget next year now that SG1 has been cancelled? I was under the impression that they'd get roughly the same that they always did.

Maltrancko
May 16th, 2007, 05:19 PM
again look at the science too, where humans can go and what we need to survive?

Mitchell82
May 16th, 2007, 07:04 PM
again look at the science too, where humans can go and what we need to survive?

Exactly from the very begining they have stated that the Stargate goes mainly to worlds that support human life. We have seen many worlds that look alien but alot do look earthlt but I for one don't mind.

the fifth man
May 16th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Exactly from the very begining they have stated that the Stargate goes mainly to worlds that support human life. We have seen many worlds that look alien but alot do look earthlt but I for one don't mind.

I don't mind it either. IMO, TPTB do a fine job most of the time making the inhabitants of the various worlds act alien. And the other "really" alien races we've encountered over the years makes up for the other times to me.

Mitchell82
May 16th, 2007, 07:32 PM
I don't mind it either. IMO, TPTB do a fine job most of the time making the inhabitants of the various worlds act alien. And the other "really" alien races we've encountered over the years makes up for the other times to me.

My thoughts exactly my friend.

the fifth man
May 16th, 2007, 07:34 PM
My thoughts exactly my friend.

Great minds think alike.:)

Mitchell82
May 16th, 2007, 07:37 PM
Great minds think alike.:)

:indeed: and :tecmate: my friend.

VSHARMA
May 17th, 2007, 06:43 AM
i think its to save money on a show that has fans more interested in the characters within the story than a cg nature show?

just thinkin aloud here?

True. But it won't cost too much money to add a second sun or something. One giant yellow one and one smaller red one (StarWars Style):)

g.o.d
May 17th, 2007, 09:39 AM
I would like to visit worlds from this threadhttp://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=37069

NATIK
May 18th, 2007, 05:08 PM
True. But it won't cost too much money to add a second sun or something. One giant yellow one and one smaller red one (StarWars Style):)

Problem is, our current physics actually suggest that Binary star systems are either A: Incapable of supporting planets or B: Very unlikely to contain planets, both due to the way gravity works in a binary system.

Mitchell82
May 19th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Problem is, our current physics actually suggest that Binary star systems are either A: Incapable of supporting planets or B: Very unlikely to contain planets, both due to the way gravity works in a binary system.

True but that is Earth Physics. It's possible that some star systems with two stars have planets.

garhkal
May 20th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Since we know the ancients made lilfe, and by the game weknow they monitored live on planets they set up.. So is it outrageous to think they may have set a few planets out of the way in ';not normally life supporting areas, but with special modifications to this or that' so they could monitor it?>

theboywonder
May 20th, 2007, 04:39 PM
just wish every world in atlantis wasnt exactly the same (villagers)

Maltrancko
May 20th, 2007, 07:01 PM
then watch travellers in season 4

theboywonder
May 20th, 2007, 07:57 PM
since season 4 is currently airing :|

The Suicidal Goldfish
May 21st, 2007, 09:41 AM
True but that is Earth Physics. It's possible that some star systems with two stars have planets.

Gravity is gravity, wherever you are. The effects of having two gravity wells in such close proximity would undoubtedly make any existence there of planets capable of supporting life impossible.