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GateWorld
May 11th, 2007, 06:30 PM
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The beach camp initiates their plan to ambush the Others and contact Naomi's nearby boat -- if Charlie and Desmond can successfully disable the underwater jamming signal. Ben's people increasingly question his leadership.

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Skydiver
May 23rd, 2007, 08:05 PM
sooooo, lost pulls a BSG and basically fast forwards a year or two

could be interesting

rarocks24
May 23rd, 2007, 08:05 PM
Wow...what an interesting story.

Walt, bearded Jack, the suspense...

Just....wow.

Cap116
May 23rd, 2007, 08:07 PM
What is going on? Wow, I never expected that! I really don't know what to say after that. They difinately pulled a BSG with that episode. The question is, how do they get back to the island? Can't wait to see how they do that.

rarocks24
May 23rd, 2007, 08:11 PM
The question is, is whether all of them, or only some of them return.

Cap116
May 23rd, 2007, 08:14 PM
Very true, or anotehr thing is, who is still on the island, beside Locke. That is pretty much a gimme that he stayed.

Vash
May 23rd, 2007, 08:16 PM
Wow, January is such along wait!!!

the fifth man
May 23rd, 2007, 08:18 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. I may have gotten into this show kind of late, but I'm very glad I did. Better late than never.

Thermonuclearboy
May 23rd, 2007, 08:19 PM
sooooo, lost pulls a BSG and basically fast forwards a year or two

could be interesting

Oh God, I really hope that's not what happened. I hated it on BSG too.

...who's funeral do you think it was? Sawyer's?

Cap116
May 23rd, 2007, 08:20 PM
The good thing about it playing in January, is that when they show it, there will not be any breaks. Like 24, non-stop.

SierraGulf1
May 23rd, 2007, 08:20 PM
Well, I suppose I'll have to clean the brain matter off my sofa; my head just exploded.

First of all, I love Charlie and Desmond. It was truly heartbraking to see Charlie grow, but I think his character's overall arc and purpose was very, very well done. Desmond remains my favorite character, and I'm glad he'll live to see another day.

Hurley with the van was amazing. Supah Hurley.

As for the Jack story, were the "real world" clips we saw flash forwards with the episode taking place on the island? Or did we fast forward to the real world with Jack reminiscing about the island. No idea where next season will pick up, but the wait is going to be excrutiating.

On the bright side, the faith I had lost in lost early season three was has been completely restored. From Lost in Portland through Through the Looking Glass, the episodes have been, in my opinion, Lost's best.

Stargate, 24, and Heroes had decent season finales, but I think Lost takes the cake this year.

Arative
May 23rd, 2007, 08:21 PM
Well that ending had me going WTF.

I'm confused though, in the flashes, Jack said go get my father and see who is more drunk. If that was a future, Jack's father is dead, unless that was a drug induced mistake.

Are they pulling a BSG and flashforwarding or just showing what happens if they leave the island? I'm not sure it would still be Lost without being on the island. We know we have 48 hours left of the show, I can't see them spending time trying to get back to the island. I think that was showing a possible what if cause it just seems to me once off the island, the show ends.

So many damn questions. Whose funeral did Jack go to? Does Charlie survive? I'm beginning to think I should have just waited until the show was finished and gotten the DVD's so I don't spend months going WTF!!!!

the fifth man
May 23rd, 2007, 08:26 PM
So many damn questions. Whose funeral did Jack go to? Does Charlie survive? I'm beginning to think I should have just waited until the show was finished and gotten the DVD's so I don't spend months going WTF!!!!

C'mon, the WTF factor is half the fun IMO.:)

Arative
May 23rd, 2007, 08:30 PM
C'mon, the WTF factor is half the fun IMO.:)

True it is but if I had the DVD's I could just pop in the next DVD and see what happens!

the fifth man
May 23rd, 2007, 08:44 PM
True it is but if I had the DVD's I could just pop in the next DVD and see what happens!

I know. I was just messing around a little.:)

Arative
May 23rd, 2007, 08:48 PM
I just thought of something,

Will all the flashes now be flashforwards? Something I remembered from the Lost:Answers right before the finale. One of the producers said, that they view Lost as a mosaic, with past, present and future. We are about half way through the episode run. We know there are 48 episodes left, so what if the rest of the flashers are forward showing what happened after they left the island, will show the island too and then the last episodes, trying to get back to the island?

Morbo
May 23rd, 2007, 08:50 PM
guys.
ok.

the story of Lost is a tapestry. this comes straight from the producers and writers. we'll see the past, the present, and the future, and it will all weave together to tell the story.

There was no "pulling a BSG." The flash-forwards were showing the results of their actions on the island.

They aren't getting rescued at the beginning of season 4. Don't worry.

I'm interested as to who was in the casket - I agree either Locke or Sawyer because neither has family to come.

the fifth man
May 23rd, 2007, 08:55 PM
I just thought of something,

Will all the flashes now be flashforwards? Something I remembered from the Lost:Answers right before the finale. One of the producers said, that they view Lost as a mosaic, with past, present and future. We are about half way through the episode run. We know there are 48 episodes left, so what if the rest of the flashers are forward showing what happened after they left the island, will show the island too and then the last episodes, trying to get back to the island?

That very well could be the case. We'll all just have to wait and see, I guess.

katielovesdaniel
May 23rd, 2007, 09:56 PM
Ok... so the whole Island story was great!!!!!! But i didnt understand why Charlie closed the door on himself, he had more than enough time to get out and shut the door behind him before it blew, or he could have waited for the room to fill and then swim out the little window hole, so that kinda made me mad. I LOVED when Hurley came through with the van we cheered!!! I was sad to see Tom go, I really liked him, he was entertaining. I loved how Jack beat the crap outta Ben and the whole thing with Danielle and Alex was great!!!
I love how mad Ben gets when stuff isnt going his way! Loved how Jack told Kate that he loved her.. I so called that! I was a bit scared he was going to say it to Juliet though...
Walt looked good, Im asuming that he was Jacob... thats the only explaination, when Locke said I cant my legs Walt was like no get up.. so I think he is Jacob....
Loved how Charlie found Penny and told her bout Des, love that Des shot Patchy that was GREAT and finally we got see him without the patch.. cool

The thing that made me angry was the past 2 seasons end off with a FANTASTIC cliiff hanger, from the hatch to the 3 of them on the dock... this was was weird.. I didnt like it, I didnt like the whole Jack flashforward thing, and what was with his Gerard Butler 300 beard????
I didnt like how he was all broken.. and I wanted to see what he clipping from the paper said I am asuming it was for Ben cause the coffin was a bit small.... and Jack was the only one who showed and Kate was like why would I go... but It was confusing cause Jacks dad is dead and he kept reffering to him, which was weird, and I dunno I just didnt like how it ended on island with them apperently being rescued, Im assuming that Naomi was working for Pennys dad, finding Desmond before she does to get rid of him once and for all cause he probably thinks that Penny has been wasting her life trying to find Des, so hes probably looking for him to get rid of him before she finds him.

But I loved Charlies message, too bad Des couldnt see Penny...

It was weird to see that Ben was so willing to turn over Alex and just kinda like kick her out, go live with them kinda thing, does he believe Jacob that much that he would just dump off his "daughter"??

I have lots of thoughts on this episode, all in all it was good, I was worried that Jack would double cross them and I was worried about Juliet on the beach so Im glad everything there turned out all good!!

and I knew Locke wouldnt kill or even shoot Jack, he did Naomi cause he didnt know her or anything, he has history with Jack and knows that the other survivors need him...
But man Ben is sure convincing when it comes to manipulating people, that whole scene with Jack was great. and the whole message to Tom... wow.. Jack was back for sure...

anyways done my ranting.. thanks for listning lol :)

katielovesdaniel
May 23rd, 2007, 10:02 PM
Oh I forgot...
That part in the looking glass when the chicks were on the radio with Ben, they were like "hes not telling us his name" and then Charlie was like "its Charlie tell him I say hello"
HAHAH LOVED it best line, and when Des came up hes like Charlie bloody hell, just the way he said it.. funny!!!
sorry.. had to add that cause it made me laugh soooo hard

LoneStar1836
May 23rd, 2007, 10:33 PM
Ok... so the whole Island story was great!!!!!! But i didnt understand why Charlie closed the door on himself, he had more than enough time to get out and shut the door behind him before it blew, or he could have waited for the room to fill and then swim out the little window hole, so that kinda made me mad.Yeah at first I was like wtf. He could have gotten out, but ultimately I think after seeing Penny he decided to sacrifice himself for Desmond so that Desmond would no longer have to protect him from death and could hopefully return to Penny.

But..........if stopping the jamming was going to lead to this offshore ship rescuing them all...very soon hopefully, I don't quite see the point of him choosing to die. So I'm still kind of like what the heck was the point :mckay: (other than to prevent Desmond from having to live with future flashes of his death and then either doing something or not).


Great episode anyway. Nice twist at the end with the reveal that it was a flash forward.

I have to wait how long now? :mckay:

lunarleviathan
May 23rd, 2007, 11:04 PM
Wow. Amazing episode. Although, I knew from the very start when we saw Jack on a plane with a beard that it was a flash-forward. It just seemed to click into place.

Quite a lot to take in.


Ok... so the whole Island story was great!!!!!! But i didnt understand why Charlie closed the door on himself, he had more than enough time to get out and shut the door behind him before it blew, or he could have waited for the room to fill and then swim out the little window hole, so that kinda made me mad.

Desmond had told Charlie previously that if the events don't happen as he sees them, then the outcome might not be the same. Charlie let himself die to make sure Claire & Aaron would be saved as in Desmond's vision.

majorsal
May 23rd, 2007, 11:20 PM
i don't know how i feel about this season finale.

first, i loved that jack told kate he loved her. :D (but i also like kate/sawyer)

second, i'm confused. :p

is charlie really dead? and why did he go through with it? all he had to do was swim through that little hole... hoping he's not dead, or at least we'll see that he does swim through the window (next season).

i do NOT like the implications that it was the future. and i say implications, because jack referred to his dad and we know his dad is dead. maybe all of that part of the story was desmond's imaginings again.

sawyer is a bit broke. (((sawyer)))

how and where did walt come from? was it 'really' walt?

(((charlie)))

cool on hurley! :D

glad the trio on the beach weren't killed.

the actor that plays jack (who's name is escaping me :( ) did wonderful tonight!

ben is sure a jerk. and well written. and well acted. manipulates like a pro.

glad the french woman (again, name :confused: ) and alex came together.

juliet's playing it straight. :)

locke... i hope he knows what he's doing. :p

let charlie live!

i REALLY don't want jack's past sequences to be the future!

k, done.


** edited to add - i just watched the news that came on after lost... charlie IS dead for sure. :( :(




sally :)

memnarch
May 23rd, 2007, 11:52 PM
Okay, let me first start by saying that I have defended this season more staunchly than most. I was enthralled by episodes like The Man from Tallahassee, The Man Behind the Curtain, the Brig, and Greatest Hits. I've been encouraging others to be patient with the producers and that surely the producers would give us some answers this season. I've endured listening to the producers' podcast which focused on inane questions that had absolutely nothing to do with the show. However, this episode has made me consider for the first time actually not watching the show anymore. WARNING! THERE WILL BE RANTING HERE.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the drama of Jack beating the crap out of Ben (FINALLY!). And the fact that Ben may not have been lying about the bad guys coming intrigued me. I also loved the stuff on the beach with Hurley's van rescue and Sawyer's cold as ice shooting of Tom (I'll miss Tom!). The reunion between Alex and Rousseau could've been more emphasized, but I won't complain. Although I liked that Charlie tried to help Desmond out by giving him the message, I do feel he had plenty of time to get out of the room and shut the door, especially since the mission had already been accomplished.

However...yes, however! I felt that the episode raised so many $%#@-ing questions that it will only lose the show viewers in the long run. One does not have a finale and then go on a 7 MONTH break without answering anything. It was one thing to go three months to learn what was inside the Hatch and to learn what was going to happen with Jack, Kate and Sawyer being caught by the Others and what the deal with Penny was. It's another thing entirely to raise more questions than the entire season has raised altogether in one single episode and then not answer any major question at all! And although one could argue that it does reveal that they get off the Island eventually, the fact that Jack refers to his father being alive in the "flash-forward" seems to suggest that it may not even take place in the "real" timeline or the "real" future. Additionally, this means that the producers LIED to us when they said that Christian Shepard WAS NOT ALIVE! And I am aware that we finally know that yes, Charlie is dead, which I'm sad they did. I am sick and tired of not getting my questions answered. This is why I've been increasingly turning to Heroes for a show that seems to know what it's doing. During their finale, they answered their important question: "How do you stop an exploding man?" This year's Lost finale didn't answer any major question.

Here's a list of questions that's been compiled by a Lost website from the finale alone: Flash-forward

* Is Jack's father still alive?
* Why did Jack want do to the operation on the woman who crashed?
* Why is flash-forward Jack so set on returning to the island?
* How did Jack and Kate get off the island? Which other Losties escaped? How long after the crash?
* Who is the "he" Kate mentions to Jack at the airport?
* What did Jack mean when he said he couldn't lie anymore?
* During what time period did the flash forward occur?
* In the flash-forward, how did Kate manage getting out of having to go to prison?
* Who was the woman flash-forward Jack saved from the burning car?
* Who was the funeral for?
* Do the survivors resume their original lives?

On the Island

* Who is Naomi really working for?
* Why was Penny reached?
* Was Mikhail hurt or killed by the grenade detonation?
* Where did Locke go after he left the main group of Losties at the end of the episode?
* Was Walt a projection of the Monster?
* Where is the temple and why must Richard take the others there, as planned? What will they do once they arrive?
* Will Desmond still see flashes of the future if Charlie is dead?
* Why would it be inappropriate for Sara to give Jack a ride home?
* What assignment in Canada were Bonnie and Greta supposed to be on?
* What are the "forces stronger than anything it has faced in many many years"?
* Is Kate pregnant?
* Who were the other two tents that were marked?
* If Ben betrayed his father, then why does he disown Alex when she betrays him?
* Why did Charlie shut the door, and not make any effort to avoid drowning?
* Why was Ben's plan to make the Losties stop wanting to leave so uncharacteristically weak and unconvincing?
* Why did Bonnie give up information to harm Ben, after earlier claiming that losing faith in Ben would ruin everything?
* Why is Locke willing to take out Naomi to stop the phone from being used, but unwilling to go any further?
* How did Locke kill Naomi if he wasn't capable of killing people? Is Naomi definitely dead?
* Are weapons other than gunshots and explosions more able to result in injuries the island can heal?

Now please, don't get me wrong from this rant please. I LOVE Lost. LOVE IT! And I haven't missed an episode from the beginning if I could help it. But Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have made me angrier than I have ever been at any two people ever. This show started as a show about people crashing on an Island. And the Island was mysterious. Sometimes they delved into the mysteries and tried to explain them. We know why the Hatch was on the Island. We know how the plane crashed. But lately, the show seems to have become less about the characters asking and answering the questions and discovering who these people are in the process, and more about questions and mysteries which very few characters are aware of and the producers refuse to address. Now as Hurley so wisely said back in the season 1 episode "Numbers," "I WANT SOME FRIGGIN' ANSWERS!"

Overall I rate this episode:
** stars and only because of the good character work in the episode after a season plagued with lack of emphasis on great characters like Hurley. I haven't decided if I'll watch next season. It will only be 16 episodes then and that may only frustrate me (and others I'm sure) more. If I do watch, it'll be to see what happens to the characters and understand the mysteries and most importantly to give Lindelof and Cuse hell for what they're putting their fans through.

LiquidKal
May 24th, 2007, 02:53 AM
Holy Buckets!
Loved this episode so much. Loved the twist, loved everything. I can barely comprehend how the story is going to go from here, which is great!

With regards to Jacks dad possibly being alive like some people are saying. He's dead. Nothing in this ep made me think otherwise. Once Kate stepped out of that car and it all clicked I realized they had him mentioned so we wouldn't suspect that it was the future. Go back and listen to the references. Jack is having a complete breakdown, he wrote a prescription himself and when the lady questioned it he mentioned his father and then cracked it and stormed off when she wanted to call him. Similar thing at the hospital, he mentioned his dad because he's clearly thinking about him a lot and everything that has happened. It was just a psychological thing. Nothing he said makes me think he's actually alive, but it served the purpose of making us think it was the past. Besides, the producers have said that he is dead. They don't go back on their word, they have the major milestones of the whole series planned out already.


Now please, don't get me wrong from this rant please. I LOVE Lost. LOVE IT!
If you did love it, you wouldn't consider not watching anymore. If they've done something to make you dislike the show then fair enough, but you can't love it and not watch at the same time. :) I hope you do watch it still and they regain your love for the show. :P

Ultimately I wish everyone had the patience to enjoy this show for what it is. We aren't meant to get all the answers. We will have all the pieces of the puzzle at the end of season 6. If you need answers now, your watching the wrong show. The world of lost is so detailed and complex that every answer brings up more questions. For me, thats a good thing. I love complex plots and details like that. As long as we get all the answers eventually then I'm fine with that.

jazz!
May 24th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Charlie accepted his fate - hence he let himself get drowned - it was inevitable. He might as well have a death that, to him, have meaning (ie: saving the Losties) rather than killed by falling scaffolding.

I read the spoilers so knew it about the Flash-Forward - I was waiting for a magnificent reason as to why Jack was on a downwards spiral -: "I'm sick of lying" was encouraging!! But not magnificent

But, why oh why, did he become silent when Ben said: What do you have to go back to?
Duh, the real world - civilization?

ItsDan
May 24th, 2007, 04:44 AM
I don't think Charlie was 'accepting his fate', he had just asked Desmond about any flashes, I think he thought they may have beaten fate yet again. I think Charlie knew he'd have trouble keeping Desmond out of the room, but frankly a running tackly while yelling "GRENADE!!!" might have kept him out. Charlie dying was entirely unnecessary (if he's dead of course).

From Jack's reaction I assumed it was either Kate or Juliette in the coffin, but it's Lost, so who knows. I made out a couple words from the note jack was reading, but nothing with a name.

MarshAngel
May 24th, 2007, 05:40 AM
I don't think Charlie was 'accepting his fate', he had just asked Desmond about any flashes, I think he thought they may have beaten fate yet again. I think Charlie knew he'd have trouble keeping Desmond out of the room, but frankly a running tackly while yelling "GRENADE!!!" might have kept him out. Charlie dying was entirely unnecessary (if he's dead of course)

I think he'd accepted it up to a point but it's only natural that he'd seek for a pinhole light of hope... hence asking if Desmond had any new flashes that would indicate a new fate. Desmond's "No" pretty much forced him to accept the inevitable.... it didn't seem inevitable but this is Charlie.... undoubtedly... the idea of self sacrifice will make him feel like he's finally done something worthwhile with his life.

Is it just me or was their something strange about the plane's lift off at the end?


On another note... kids grow like weeds. Walt grew quite a bit.

FoolishPleasure
May 24th, 2007, 05:56 AM
I liked it, but it had some odd moments.

Charlie could have easily run from the control room and shut the water door behind him. Or maybe he thought he wouldn't be able to keep Desmond out. And how in the world did Penny "call in"??? Her call was the "incoming transmission" - how/why was she trying to contact that station? Naomi's boat is a different group? (Dharma perhaps?)

Patchy won't die. Probably the creepiest part of this show recently. Even Ben didn't understand why the sonic fence didn't kill him. He got a harpoon in the chest, then popped a grenade. Why won't this dude die? Or is he like Richard, who never ages?

The whole Christian Sheppard thing was strange too. Was Jack just drugged out, rambling about his dead father, or is Christian alive in the future? Interviews by the producers have said Christian was DEAD, but I've also heard them say, "Fans should be asking themselves where Christian Sheppard is."

No one wanted Hurley around, but Hurley became the hero. Go Hugo!!! But I'm gonna miss Tom.

I do think Walt was Smokey, telling Locke what he must do. That's why Locke knew to kill Naomi.

If this show is going to start "moving forward" by having people in the present, with flashbacks to the island, I'm not interested. I didn't care for that last five minutes, and I hope that isn't the direction TPTB are going.

Questions, questions, questions. The worst part is waiting until 2008 for more, and even then, we will only get 16 episodes, and then almost another year to wait for another measley 16 eppys. Do TPTB really think these huge gaps are a benefit?

Hypochondriac
May 24th, 2007, 07:16 AM
I just started watching lost this season and have only seen the last 6 or so episodes. So I probably missing a bunch on information. My guess it woud be Sawyer or Ben the coffin.

What the name of the pregnant lady with the kid? I betting she was the patient in the hospital he wanted to operate on.

The flashes seem to be a few years in the future, otherwise them being rescued and them him saving someone else would have been bigger news.

What the hell is he lying about??

dlong22
May 24th, 2007, 07:20 AM
Lemme take a crack at the questions posed above. These are just my opinions, but feel free to flame away anyway. (Edit to q's about Kate)


Flash-forward

* Is Jack's father still alive?

I think his father is dead and Jack was just confused by the drugs he was taking. We did she his father walking around on the island in season one, so it's possible he could have been regenerated by the island. I don't think this is a new question, actually, but one that's been out there for a while.

* Why did Jack want do to the operation on the woman who crashed?

A bit because he needs to be the hero, but also because she still needed help and he felt responsible for her.

* Why is flash-forward Jack so set on returning to the island?

The whole premise of the show is that the island is special/alive. The island is pulling him back.

* How did Jack and Kate get off the island? Which other Losties escaped? How long after the crash?

Some questions won't be answered til next season, but I'm pretty confident that Desmond's vision of a helicopter rescue came true. Satellite Phone > Ship > Helicopter Rescue

* Who is the "he" Kate mentions to Jack at the airport?

Sawyer makes the most sense, so it probably wasn't him. But she was talking about the guy in the coffin. Kate & Jack were talking about two people IIRC, the guy in the coffin & someone she had to get back to... could be that Sawyer is in the coffin (who would go to a con-man's funeral) but she had to get back to someone ... maybe her son?

* What did Jack mean when he said he couldn't lie anymore?

He couldn't lie any more about his need to get back to the island.

* During what time period did the flash forward occur?

Could be anytime. Definitively.

* In the flash-forward, how did Kate manage getting out of having to go to prison?

Maybe she's using an alias. The FBI agent killed earlier in the show was driving the investigation to find her, so maybe it's not a priority for them any more.

* Who was the woman flash-forward Jack saved from the burning car?

Someone who was driving by when he was going to jump from the bridge. It was his fault that she crashed. Don't think she was someone from the island.

* Who was the funeral for?

That's the major new question from the finale. Or maybe it's "Did Charlie's note get wet when Des jumped into the water?"

* Do the survivors resume their original lives?

Sure seemed like Jack was having a tough time with it... so I'd guess not.


On the Island

* Who is Naomi really working for?

If not Penny, then it must be Penny's father. Who else would be searching for Des?

* Why was Penny reached?

She seems to be getting closer to finding Desmond. Maybe 'they' were watching her progress.

* Was Mikhail hurt or killed by the grenade detonation?

Yes, but he seems to be a pretty resilient guy.

* Where did Locke go after he left the main group of Losties at the end of the episode?

He's part of the island now. As for a specific location, who knows, but the point, IMO, was that he decided to stay on the island.

* Was Walt a projection of the Monster?

I don't think so. With Jack having such a hard time leaving the island, I suspect that Walt and his dad came back and are living with the others. Maybe they never really left.

* Where is the temple and why must Richard take the others there, as planned? What will they do once they arrive?

It's a mystery.

* Will Desmond still see flashes of the future if Charlie is dead?

If he was rescued, probably not.

* Why would it be inappropriate for Sara to give Jack a ride home?

Because she was his ex-wife and they have issues.

* What assignment in Canada were Bonnie and Greta supposed to be on?

No clue.

* What are the "forces stronger than anything it has faced in many many years"?

I think it was Ben being manipulative and he really meant that HE was having trouble dealing with Jack and the people losing faith in his ability to lead.

* Is Kate pregnant?

She made Sawyer pull out early. Or maybe not.

* Who were the other two tents that were marked?

Just Decoys.

* If Ben betrayed his father, then why does he disown Alex when she betrays him?

Because he's not her father and is a mean guy.

* Why did Charlie shut the door, and not make any effort to avoid drowning?

Because he set out to sacrifice himself so that his love would be rescued. Desmond told him that if he didn't die, the vision of her rescue wouldn't come true.

* Why was Ben's plan to make the Losties stop wanting to leave so uncharacteristically weak and unconvincing?

He's making things up as he goes along. I think his plan would have worked if Jack didn't know that Ben was a master manipulator.

* Why did Bonnie give up information to harm Ben, after earlier claiming that losing faith in Ben would ruin everything?

Because it was obvious that Ben betrayed her when the Russian told her he was just following orders (after talking to Ben).

* Why is Locke willing to take out Naomi to stop the phone from being used, but unwilling to go any further?

He has a relationship with Jack.

* How did Locke kill Naomi if he wasn't capable of killing people? Is Naomi definitely dead?

I guess Locke has evolved and is capable of pulling the trigger/throwing the knife. Nobody is definitely dead.

* Are weapons other than gunshots and explosions more able to result in injuries the island can heal?

Seems like Locke survived his gunshot wound. The poison gas Ben used seems to be the only thing that was really effective.


Can't wait for next season.

FoolishPleasure
May 24th, 2007, 07:39 AM
Interesting commentary at msnbc.com:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18831266/

Morbo
May 24th, 2007, 08:17 AM
<mod snip>
Who cares about all the questions it left - which actually aren't too many. Every episode leaves questions.
Everything will be answered in time.

Descent
May 24th, 2007, 08:45 AM
Poor, poor Charlie...its always a shame when one of my favorite characters die. And why won't Mikhail just die already!? I mean come on... :confused:

Three words: Desmond. Spear gun. That was awesome.



From Jack's reaction I assumed it was either Kate or Juliette in the coffin, but it's Lost, so who knows. I made out a couple words from the note jack was reading, but nothing with a name.

...? Then why was he talking to Kate about it?

That doesn't make any sense.

I was thinking that it was maybe Sun...? But then where was Jin...

They were right. Everyones going to be talking about this finale for a long time coming.

Groove
May 24th, 2007, 08:47 AM
Well that ending had me going WTF. Glad I'm not the only one. Whilst the episode was good, I expect it to be so as it's a finale - and as far as finales go, I think it could have given us more answers. As it did, it just upped the mystery without providing any answers to other questions in normal typical Lost style.

First of all, I demand more answers RE Jacob, and Walt. Naomi - Locke should have said why he killed her. Was it to keep himself on the island? If so, killing someone seems far-fetched, or was it because there could be some truth to Ben's words? God damn I love Ben so much, he has such a humbleness about him yet is so manipulative, and such a piercing intelligence in his eyes. A truly brilliant character and actor.

I cried like a baby when Charlie died - I do that a lot when I really get into a story (as I got really excited and whooped when Hurley had the van - glad to see a mediocre episode have a real result in the end) , but it was frustrating, because had he just run out to Desmond, the speed of the water entering the window would have left them enough time to scuba-gear up.

Also, Jack in the future - he comments on his dad but his dad is dead. I'm don't really buy the breakdown thing being the cause for saying it, but then what other explanation is there?

My biggest peev is ending the season in a flash-forward with no conclusion on the island. Maybe that's because the writers haven't thought that far ahead. That said, thanks to the flash-forward, technically they have to get rescued.

The good: flash-forward VERY clever. I do feel it was too Jack orientated (TWO episodes - come ON, they could have made it multiple character), but considering the mysteries unravelled on the island thus far and 3 more seasons to go, I think that the next season CAN take a massive spin and go off-island in parts. I have faith in the writers that no matter what, it will keep the intrigue going.

I think maybe there's something else we can take away with this: Ben's not AS bad as we think. He allowed the 3 guys on the beach to live when just a as easily he could have done it for real.

And there's something about those 2 girls in the underwater station that made them completely bone-able. Not sure what though.

jmw326
May 24th, 2007, 09:35 AM
Did anyone stop to think that Charlie probably closed the door on himself becuase it only locked (sealed) from the inside. It is a secure area and if it could be opened from the outside then we would have seen Desmond trying to open it, but he didn't because there was no handle on the outside.

Now why Charlie didn't try and fit through the window is beyond me. It looked like he could have made it through but I guess by that time he decided to accept his fate. But I have a feeling we will see him again and they will flash back to how he did go through the window or something like that.

As for Jack talking about his dad. He was not only drunk but on drugs and proabably was not sure what he was tlaking about. Or was just rying to make an off handed comment about how his dad was always drunk while on duty. Sometimes we can read to much into things.

ItsDan
May 24th, 2007, 10:15 AM
...? Then why was he talking to Kate about it?

Sorry, I meant I thought that up until we saw him with Kate.

lord-anubis
May 24th, 2007, 10:48 AM
is any one esle thinking that maybe the flash forword and some other stuf that happened may all just be one of Desmond flashes? i don't know how they show could work with them off the island.

mizzoueng
May 24th, 2007, 11:18 AM
There were handles on both sides of the door. But that would not have held the water for long, not long enough for them to suit up and go to the surface.

If you look at the door you will see that the actual "locks" are handles on the inside, the wheel usually just controls a pressure seal around the door to make a watertight seal. So even if they were both on the other side, turned the wheel, nothing would have kept the door closed, the seal is on the outside, not the inside.

Why didn't he swim out? Well for one Mikal was out there with knives, grenades, etc. He was dead anyways. Also, Desmond told him that if he didn't die, Claire and little one wouldn't leave the island. I think Desmond is lying about this, and I think its going to bite him in the ass soon.

Future flashes, the funeral had to be for someone who was despised by Kate, which could be Sawyer, but I doubt it. I imagine that it was either Locke or Ben. Remeber Ben doesn't have any family either.

Locke coming back was awesome, he didn't seem to have any problems moving around and he must not have been far from the tower for him to get there so fast. Walt was smoke monster/Jacob.

Speaking of smokey/jacob, I think we are going to see that Jacob cannot leave the shack, but he can control the ring of powder outside it, which he turns into the smoke monster which he then can manipulate into whatever he wants.

Naomi, she was a short term character, so she had to go. But did anyone else notice the she pushed a LOT more buttons on her phone than what she told Jack to do.

Penny calling in, it looked like she was in her Father's office from what I can remember from it.

As for who they left, I think we are going to see that only a select few get off the island. Right now we know Kate, Jack, Claire, and Aaron get off (if desmond is right). But maybe the people on the beach don't get rescued. Maybe that is why Jack is so messed up, he misses Juliet and wants to go back for her.

Aerilon
May 24th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Just WOW, simply and utterly WOW.

The episode was ****ing fabulous, and a great way to end the season in my opinion. Though, as with all the past episodes, there are many strange and unanswered things.

#1 The CoffinI think it was Sawyer in it. Jack didn't say he was a Friend or a Family member when asked by that guy, and we know, if placed next to Sawyer, whilst they had an 'understanding' they weren't really friends. As for the person Kate had to get back too, that could have been anyone.#2 The BoatOn this, I simply don't know about. Though I seriously doubt that they are a rescue team. Simply because of all the lies and deceit. Naomi didn't last long either (lol), nice throw from John on that one mind you.

I figure Desmond knowing the truth, isn't really important now, seeing as the boat knows where to go / look / do their thing#3 The Dead10 others dead (haha) about time. Though I think I am going to miss Tom. He seemed to have a fair bit of common sense about him. One thing that does bother me, is when Ben said to Jack 'you've killed seven of my people' Jack didn't turn around and say 'well, you've killed X amount of my people'. You'd have thought he would, if only to hear Ben's reply on the matter.#4 CharlieI'm 50/50 on whether he is 'actually' dead or not. Yes, he drowned, but we know people can come back to life, and I just don't think he'd quit the show, or be written out. I expect / hope to see him back again soon.

As for people who say 'why did he do it' well, quite simple really. He was told that Claire and the Baby would be rescued if he died. Because he cared for them so much, he was willing to put his life on the line. Just as Sayid was for the crash survivors.#5 MikhailCan that guy actually be killed, like seriously? First he was pushed through a 'barrier' which may have killed him, then he was shot through the heart, and then / now, he blew himself up with a grenade (yet, I do wonder if he'll make yet another appearance).As for the storyline, and the future sight:This I disliked. Because they have included it, unless the story were to be in regards to time and such (which has been denied by the producers) then this 'future' that we saw, MUST happen. I think it spoils it, knowing how they will turn out, and knowing that Jack is that screwed up.

The episode (what happened on the Island) was good. The real life stuff (of which happened elsewhere from the Island) was bad.

SG1Atlantis
May 24th, 2007, 01:13 PM
Awesome episode! Not sure yet how i feel about the "flash forward" thing but i liked the ep none the less. Some funny parts:

1. Bernard's "I am a dentist, not Rambo"
2. Charlie while being captured "It's Charlie, tell him i said hi"
3. Hurley running over the other!

Can't wait till next season!

Anubis69
May 24th, 2007, 01:50 PM
Hmm. I was expecting a "big reveal" leaving a huge unanswered question. I got neither. Didn't help that I guessed, although couldn't be 100% sure, that it was a flashforward half way through.

Also, this season felt like it was building to something huge... Turns out it was a Locke/Jack confrontation which, if i'm honest, was rather disappointing. That episode didn't feel like a finale. It was enjoyable, but it didn't give me that "WOW" feeling nor a feeling of completion. (eg. battlestar S3 finale) It just felt... average and quite unmemorable.

memnarch
May 24th, 2007, 02:30 PM
Wow I just read my previous post in this thread and realized that I may have overreacted just a bit. The episode itself was good. There was some excellent bits in it. However, while it was good, it wasn't great, and great is something you come to expect from a Lost finale.

Also, I'm still angry at the producers for leading the fans by the nose. As soon as I get the chance, I'm going to ask them as many questions as possible on their podcast forum.

majorsal
May 24th, 2007, 02:54 PM
i find i've been thinking about this ep a lot. there's just *so* much to consider!

now, someone tell me if i'm remembering this wrong, but did jack say to kate (in the future scenes) that the two of them were all that were left (out of the group)? i'm thinking i'm confusing it with jack saying she (kate) was the only one he cared about.

so the future... just why was jack so miserable? did he (and the others) do something bad to get off? did the rest of the group go too, or just a few of them? and did jack do something personally to get off the island that's driving him to suicide? kate seemed well enough.

charlie's never been one of my fave characters, but because of the way these writers have written the show and characters, i care for him. this will sound horrible, but i'd have preferred desmond or hurley to have died over charlie. especially now that charlie had so much (clair and aaron) to live for.

i wonder if hurley is going to lose weight now, seeing as this was another slap to him being over weight. i'm thinking it's a set up for hurley to finally take that step.

i want to be mad at bernard for blabbling their plan to the bad guys, but he was trying to protect jin and syiad (sp?) from being killed. i hope the guys remember that before ratting him out that he gave away their plans.

i was surprised when sawyer cold bloodingly killed one of the others. i think he's so disappointed in himself (when he killed locke's dad) that... he's going pile up the sins and *never* be able to forgive himself.

*very* nice scene where jack told kate he loved her. i'm still rooting for them, even thought sometimes i think jack's a jerk to her and kate's self esteme issues overwhelm her from confronting him. that's why i think she's so confortable with sawyer, because she sees him as her equal.

charlie shouldn't have let himself die. i'm ticked at him.

i think that's all for now. :p

VERY well written and directed show!!




sally :D

majorsal
May 24th, 2007, 03:11 PM
My biggest peev is ending the season in a flash-forward with no conclusion on the island. Maybe that's because the writers haven't thought that far ahead. That said, thanks to the flash-forward, technically they have to get rescued.



maybe the flash forward is to show how it 'could' go. maybe desmond will start 'seeing' things again and warn jack. this all might be avoided now.

and was in confirmed that only jack and kate made it off the island? (the msn link made it sound like it was)





sally :)

majorsal
May 24th, 2007, 03:13 PM
is any one esle thinking that maybe the flash forword and some other stuf that happened may all just be one of Desmond flashes? i don't know how they show could work with them off the island.

i wondered that too and told my mom. if it was desmond's, it might explain the jack's-dad-is-dead-or-not thinger going on.




sally :)

Tok'Ra Hostess
May 24th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Terrific season ender!

Did anybody else get a Star Trek Generations, "I need to get back to the Nexus" vibe from future Jack?

I think Ben was(will be?) in the coffin. Ben did warn Jack that if he made the call no one would be able to stay on the island. Nobody liked him, but possibly over the next 2 seasons, as we gain more insight into Ben and his reasons, he and Jack develop some kind of strange bond not unlike Jack and Sawyer's.

I think that Kate was living with or married to Sawyer in Jack's flash forward, but things are not going well between them. She didn't seem happy and Sawyer has probably turned into something not unlike her own father.

I was sad to see Charlie go, but I think he had firmly resolved himself to see his task through to the end, and drowning was, in his mind, part of his task. It was his destiny. Dead Losties always get at least one flashback appearance per season, and I wouldn't be surprised if Charlie writing "F A T E" on his knuckles waaay back in early season one will finally be explained in season four.

LoneStar1836
May 24th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Desmond had told Charlie previously that if the events don't happen as he sees them, then the outcome might not be the same. Charlie let himself die to make sure Claire & Aaron would be saved as in Desmond's vision.Eh, I think that was just Desmond BS'n him, a little anyway. He was so certain that Charlie had to die in order for him to reunite with Penny in that one episode, but he finally made the choice to save him and they still found Naomi. Then Desmond was willing to go down to the Looking Glass instead of Charlie. That right there would have altered the future. *shrug*

I'm sure Claire and Aaron's rescue played heavily into Charlie purposefully killing himself (but I also think he did it for Desmond's benefit as well after seeing the transmission by Penny), but he had fulfilled his needed task of turning off the jamming which was preventing rescue. I'm just not seeing how his surviving (after that point) was going to prevent rescue (with him knowing that a ship was nearby. Even if it wasn't Penny's why would Charlie believe it had nefarious purposes like Ben wanted Jack to believe.) Needless to say, I'm not that happy about the death. He and Desmond could have escaped. The door opened to the inside [outside], if I recall correctly [I didn't], and the pressure of the water would have sealed it shut well enough for them to escape. ETA: My eye for detail usually sucks the first time I watch an ep so I usually have to watch shows like this a second time. :D And finally did. But I still think inability to escape did not play into Charlie's death, imo. They could have gotten out before the place filled with water.

I guess it can be attributed back to the whole fate thing and that Charlie felt he had to die regardless in order for a rescue to occur. They better not bring Charlie back from the dead, which is what I'm afraid they are possibly going to do with Jack's father. That's a bit creepy if they go that direction.


As to who was in the coffin, I'm guessing Ben since no one came but Jack.

I know this is nitpicky, but I'm not sure how Naomi could be dead. It has to be damned hard to throw a knife with enough force that it goes through someone's back and kills them that quickly. Course maybe she wasn't confirmed dead...don't remember.....

Thermonuclearboy
May 24th, 2007, 04:58 PM
so the future... just why was jack so miserable? did he (and the others) do something bad to get off? did the rest of the group go too, or just a few of them? and did jack do something personally to get off the island that's driving him to suicide? kate seemed well enough.

Simple, really. As his flashbacks have often revealed, Jack was astutely good at screwing up his own life. Never having done anything remarkable, having managed to drive away his family and loved ones, and then suddenly he finds himself on a mysterious island, saving lives and being looked at as a leader and a hero. It's something he may not have wanted in the beginning, but he wound up doing a pretty good job at it. Then, it's over. They go home, and he must pick up the pieces of his life and try to go on - knowing that the most remarkable experience he's ever had is done and behind. In a weird way Ben was right; what DOES Jack have to go back to? An ex-wife that resents him? A mother that has disowned him? The memory of dead father that he never got a chance to reconcile with? On the island, Jack was a hero to 40 scared people; back home he's just a washed-up alcoholic. For all its trials and hardships, his time on the Island was the greatest time of his life. And now it's over.

I can relate to Jack. It was a little painful to watch for me, as I'm in the same place he was by the end of the episode...

majorsal
May 24th, 2007, 05:12 PM
Simple, really. As his flashbacks have often revealed, Jack was astutely good at screwing up his own life. Never having done anything remarkable, having managed to drive away his family and loved ones, and then suddenly he finds himself on a mysterious island, saving lives and being looked at as a leader and a hero. It's something he may not have wanted in the beginning, but he wound up doing a pretty good job at it. Then, it's over. They go home, and he must pick up the pieces of his life and try to go on - knowing that the most remarkable experience he's ever had is done and behind. In a weird way Ben was right; what DOES Jack have to go back to? An ex-wife that resents him? A mother that has disowned him? The memory of dead father that he never got a chance to reconcile with? On the island, Jack was a hero to 40 scared people; back home he's just a washed-up alcoholic. For all its trials and hardships, his time on the Island was the greatest time of his life. And now it's over.

I can relate to Jack. It was a little painful to watch for me, as I'm in the same place he was by the end of the episode...

this makes sense, but i felt there was something more going on here. jack seems to be holding some secret that's driving him to drinking and attempted suicide.



sally :)

aaobuttons
May 24th, 2007, 06:06 PM
I think it was Michael in the coffin. They were in a black neighborhood, he didn't have anyone but walt who whould have gone to live with his mother, kate wouldn't have been the forgiving type, and he was already off the island. I don't think Ben would ever leave the island and neither would Locke.

If only some of them got rescued, I'm thinking the beach people didn't, so that rules out Sawyer for Kate. I'm thinking somebody new or even a kid that she got pregnant with by Sawyer and left sleeping.

I think the flash forward is a possible future, and hopefully desmond will convince them to keep it from happening. Charlie is dead, DM confirmed it in an interview on E! tonight and talked about how much he'd miss it there and how he was going to work on a couple films a year for awhile. I'm sure he's up for flashbacks but he's off the main cast.

I give this episode 5/5, it was fantastic!

Contraban
May 26th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Well jack started to cry when he saw the paper and EVEN wanted to jump of the bridge, so i assume it was someone important to him, maybee juliette.

hmmm

Hypochondriac
May 26th, 2007, 06:39 PM
I haven't seen many lost episodes so might have been explained before. how can a 25 year old radio override a 21st century satphone. Aren't the frequencies totally different? how come it didn't override the radios the others had? how can they transmit from underwater? just using a walkie talkie

majorsal
May 26th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Well jack started to cry when he saw the paper and EVEN wanted to jump of the bridge, so i assume it was someone important to him, maybee juliette.

hmmm

i don't think juilette means *that* much to jack at this point in time. i know he cares, but he's in love with kate and prob just attracted/admiring juliette. in my opinion.




sally :)

Skydiver
May 26th, 2007, 07:03 PM
or locke was in the coffin

he has no one

aaobuttons
May 27th, 2007, 05:34 AM
I got this image http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg off a TV guide story http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Lost-Exec-Nights/800015786 and can make out a few words of it. "Man Found.... downtown loft" "The body of Jo???? ?(L?)anthem of New York was found shortly after 4am in the... of Grand Avenue.
A few other words I picked out were The Tower, loud, and beam.
Anybody else have other shots?
Who is from New York? Last name sound familiar to anyone?

jds1982
May 27th, 2007, 05:48 AM
I think it was Michael in the coffin. They were in a black neighborhood, he didn't have anyone but walt who whould have gone to live with his mother

Walt's mom is dead, so I don't think he could go live with her, unless you mean Michael's mother, but I'm pretty sure Walt would have been there in that case.

aaobuttons
May 27th, 2007, 06:29 AM
Walt's mom is dead, so I don't think he could go live with her, unless you mean Michael's mother, but I'm pretty sure Walt would have been there in that case.

Oh, forgot about that! Well, who knows where Walt would end up in that case. I don't think Michael's last name is Lantham though, so that probably rules him out too given the image of the newspaper clipping. :D

Descent
May 27th, 2007, 08:44 AM
or locke was in the coffin

he has no one

Locke obviously didn't want to get rescued though. We last saw him walk off into the jungle as Jack made the call.

nowvoyager908
May 27th, 2007, 09:23 AM
Loved this episode. I've stuck with Lost through thick and thin, and this finale made the sacrifice (LOL) worth it. Just hate the idea that we have to wait until February to see what happens next.

Not sure who's in the coffin. It's a man who was originally from New York so that would lead to Michael who's flashback had him living in NY . . . and he would have a teenage son. So, it's probably, definitely, maybe not him. LOL. Perhaps it is someone we haven't met yet.

I also tend to believe that in the flash forwards Christian Sheppard is still alive. I don't think the writers would have several scenes revolving around Jack mentioning him unless it meant something. Perhaps whatever they did on the island changed the past. So Christian is still alive and Kate is not a fugitive, etc. Not everything changes because Sarah is still around and still Jack's ex. Jack wants to get back to the island to make things right again. Kate, who's no longer a fugitive, might not be so anxious to go back.

I think Kate is torn between Sawyer and Jack. One speaks to the bad girl in her and the other speaks to the part wanting normal and respectable. I know which one I prefer, but I won't get too invested because I feel the writers are going to be playing push and pull until the final episode. I'll have to be content to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Thermonuclearboy
May 27th, 2007, 12:24 PM
i don't think juilette means *that* much to jack at this point in time. i know he cares, but he's in love with kate and prob just attracted/admiring juliette. in my opinion.




sally :)

Jack is a "fixer" by nature. That's why he's a doctor. That's why he was drawn to Kate, and that's why he's drawn to Juliette. They're both damaged in their own ways, and he feels compelled to try and "fix" them. I think that may be part of the reason he's in dire straits in the future: he's got no one to fix but himself, and that's something he's definitely not good at.

...again, I can relate...

Dave C
May 27th, 2007, 04:15 PM
I got this image http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg off a TV guide story http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Lost-Exec-Nights/800015786 and can make out a few words of it. "Man Found.... downtown loft" "The body of Jo???? ?(L?)anthem of New York was found shortly after 4am in the... of Grand Avenue.
A few other words I picked out were The Tower, loud, and beam.
Anybody else have other shots?
Who is from New York? Last name sound familiar to anyone?

i think it might be locke, it would make sense as jack wanted to jump off the bridge after reading it because he was wrong and they should never have left the island.

also charlies death wow second best death i have seen on tv for a while(after lem on the shield)

glad desmond got to see penny on the screen

looks like ben was right

i have now noticed that all you really need to do is watch the first four and last four in a series of lost

rarocks24
May 27th, 2007, 06:37 PM
i think it might be locke, it would make sense as jack wanted to jump off the bridge after reading it because he was wrong and they should never have left the island.

also charlies death wow second best death i have seen on tv for a while(after lem on the shield)

glad desmond got to see penny on the screen

looks like ben was right

i have now noticed that all you really need to do is watch the first four and last four in a series of lost

In Jack's opinion. Sorry to say, but Sun would be dead if it weren't for Jack calling the boat. And that's also possible for several other women at the LOSTIES camp too. We know that Claire and Aaron get off the island (according to Desmond's premonition). Sayid has a woman he wants to go to. Those people haven't resigned themselves to living on the island, and other than a few miraculous things happen, between the monster gas on the island, the Others constantly attacking their camp...how do we know one of the survivors doesn't have a terminable disease that could be treatable back in the U.S. or elsewhere?

Jack's the only one obsessed with getting back to the island. Possibly because the island is the only place he's ever been stable. Problem is, if Jack got his act together he would be stable.

majorsal
May 27th, 2007, 07:03 PM
Jack's the only one obsessed with getting back to the island. Possibly because the island is the only place he's ever been stable. Problem is, if Jack got his act together he would be stable.

what if the reason jack's so eager to get back to the island is because he knows they (whoever left the island besides him and kate) left the others behind? we saw he was willing to leave everyone when he was going to take the sub... i wasn't too sure about jack doing that, since he wouldn't be sure he could trace his way back... i'm just not sure he wasn't so frenzied to leave that he'd leave everyone behind. :confused:




sally :)

Arative
May 27th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Through various websites, I've seen what the newspaper article said. Sounds more and more like it was Michael. That would explain why Kate wouldn't go to HIS funeral.

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

Skydiver
May 27th, 2007, 07:16 PM
just because they got off the island doesn't mean that it was good.

i have a funny feeling that their happy ending is gonna be worse than what had happened on the island...hence jack's obsession with getting back and fixing whatever was wrong

Team SG-1*save the show*
May 28th, 2007, 04:03 AM
loved the ending- it said on sky it was the series finale not the season finale. I presume we are going to get a fourth season.

I am STILL confused. who's funeral was it??? and why did locke try to stop jack?

Hypochondriac
May 28th, 2007, 04:40 AM
BRits call a season a series so dont worry. still wondering how the radio worked underwater

Team SG-1*save the show*
May 28th, 2007, 04:45 AM
oh right- i said to my brother it wouldnt be the last season. :)

does anyone know who's funeral it was? i am sooooooooooooo confused :confused: ;) :S

ItsDan
May 28th, 2007, 07:05 AM
Based on the "survived by a teenage son" that would seem to imply Michael.

Another theory I had was that it's Ben. When the boat people came they forced all the Dharma/Dharma impersonators off the island. Ben took another name to hide from various people. Jack was upset because he felt Ben was his last likely way to get back to the island.

Buddhawasanancient
May 28th, 2007, 09:55 AM
Great episode. I was seriously HATING this show in the middle of this season, but the last two episodes won me back. Now looking back, I really like this season. Now here's my take on where they are going with the series from here on out. I posted this in a different section of this forum (Heroes Section, Lost Vs Heroes Finale Topic), but I'll post it again...

I think they're gonna start season 4 back on the island again but something's going to go wrong and they don't get rescued, at least not this time. It'll continue with them trying to get off the island mixed in with flash-fowards of them rescued and trying to get back to the island. The flash-fowards can show how these people's lives are falling apart since they got back. We know Jack's a drug addict and freaking out, Hurley will be even unluckier than before the island, Claire misses Charlie (If he is in fact, dead) and thinks that being back on the island will bring her closer to him, Sun and Jin will have marital problems again, maybe Sayid is running from either the people he tortured, or the Iraqi Military, Rose's cancer returns, etc... Slowly they all come to realize they want to go back. I think a poignant and downright poetic way to end the series could be a wide shot of them meeting again on the beach, embracing. With a similar vibe to the way the people in The 4400 were all drawn back to the spot they returned to. In fact if I DON'T see that scene at the end of the series, I'm going to be disappointed..


Can't wait till '08!

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2007, 11:23 AM
But i didnt understand why Charlie closed the door on himselfneither did I. there was no logical reason for him to do so as he had plenty of time to escape
the way I see it he closed the door because he was told he would drown, so he figured he "had to" drown. basically he was a weak-minded fool - good riddance. never liked the brat anyway :|

SoulReaver
May 28th, 2007, 11:29 AM
and why did locke try to stop jack?probably because Walter (or whatever it is that took his guise) told him what awaited the survivors if they were found - this suggests Ben wasn't lying when he told Jack they'd all be killed, but on the other hand the fact that Jack & Kate were still alive in the future contradicts this somewhat (unless this is an alternate future where the survivors weren't found but instead escaped the island via some other means)

nosaj
May 28th, 2007, 05:24 PM
There are two things that are getting to me that i noticed that i dont think anyone else did about the flashes

The first is when jack is on a plane in his flash Sun and Jin are sitting behind him .... my question is why is jack not talking to them if it was a flash forward i was confused but i have evedince for a crazy theory

Two: did anyone else notice that the new head of medicine in jacks hospital (who also stars in Las Vegas) mysteriously grows a mustache half way through the ep.......

Here is my theory it was a double flash ..... forward and back........... jacks head is so messed up that the past present and future are getting really mixed up.........

but im not sure its just a theory tear it to poeces as you wish

Morbo
May 28th, 2007, 06:05 PM
well i originally posted a picture of the obituary clipping a few days ago, but then the database got rolled back and it went bye bye.

but since someone else took care of it, and someone posted the guys name too, i won't bother redoing that.

but i will post this one again:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2856/normal3x22glass1136pc4.jpg

the casket is clearly a small one. so looks like maybe a kid.

either way, its definitely somebody we haven't met yet.
i'll stake my GW account on it.

jds1982
May 29th, 2007, 06:06 AM
There are two things that are getting to me that i noticed that i dont think anyone else did about the flashes

The first is when jack is on a plane in his flash Sun and Jin are sitting behind him .... my question is why is jack not talking to them if it was a flash forward i was confused but i have evedince for a crazy theory

Two: did anyone else notice that the new head of medicine in jacks hospital (who also stars in Las Vegas) mysteriously grows a mustache half way through the ep.......

Here is my theory it was a double flash ..... forward and back........... jacks head is so messed up that the past present and future are getting really mixed up.........

but im not sure its just a theory tear it to poeces as you wish

I don't think those were Sun and Jin, just some random Asian people, but if you have screen shots that say otherwise, post them.

Morbo
May 29th, 2007, 07:06 AM
The first is when jack is on a plane in his flash Sun and Jin are sitting behind him ....

Here is my theory it was a double flash ..... forward and back........... jacks head is so messed up that the past present and future are getting really mixed up.........


someone else thought that too - maybe not here, but if you look, you'll see its actually not Sun and Jin.
they were all flashes forward.

heres the pic:

http://i18.tinypic.com/4zvjh55.jpg

mizzoueng
May 29th, 2007, 07:27 AM
I explained the door thing with Charlie. It only locks from one side.

The wheel in the middle is ONLY used to create a seal around the door, not lock it. That hatch was made to be opened from Charlies side only. Maybe they retro-fitted the room, could have been a docking hatch at one time.

As for why they didn't just get their suits on. There was a moon pool in the middle of the station, the minute the grenade would of went off and breached that window, the pressure imbalance in the station would cause the water to rush in from the window AND the moon pool.

If you want a good idea of how fast it would fill up, watch Deep Blue. If you need another example, put a styrofoam under water and

Now there is no way that Charlie ran the calcs in his head, he was a musician, not an engineer.

Hypochondriac
May 29th, 2007, 07:55 AM
I explained the door thing with Charlie. It only locks from one side.

The wheel in the middle is ONLY used to create a seal around the door, not lock it. That hatch was made to be opened from Charlies side only. Maybe they retro-fitted the room, could have been a docking hatch at one time.

As for why they didn't just get their suits on. There was a moon pool in the middle of the station, the minute the grenade would of went off and breached that window, the pressure imbalance in the station would cause the water to rush in from the window AND the moon pool.

If you want a good idea of how fast it would fill up, watch Deep Blue. If you need another example, put a styrofoam under water and

Now there is no way that Charlie ran the calcs in his head, he was a musician, not an engineer.

Wouldn't sealing the door serve as a lock as well? You shouldn't be able to open the door if you turned the wheel and sealed it.

Suzotchka
May 29th, 2007, 08:37 AM
While I enjoyed the episode, I'm not sure the cliffhanger is enough to keep me looking forward to the show's S4 premiere in Feb 2008. That's way too long to have between seasons.

And I'm ticked off that Jack told Kate he loves her. I can't stand Kate. She and Sawyer deserve each other!

Deckard07
May 29th, 2007, 01:07 PM
There were only 2 references to Jack’s dad that I recall, and although ambiguous I feel they were meant to confuse the viewer into originally thinking Jack’s memory sequence were flashbacks rather than future events. When you go back and watch it, neither scene confirms his dad is alive. Jack walks out of the pharmacy after the pharmacist suspects the prescription is a forgery from his dad’s office and Jack is clearly out of it when he has the confrontation with the new chief at the hospital…even the chief looks puzzled when Jack references to go get his father and see which one is drunker.

I was assuming that Locke was in the casket, but after watching it a second time and hearing what Kate said about not going to the funeral, it makes more since that it was Ben. I think Kate was rather fond of Locke and would have gone to his funeral…just my two cents.

Anonmatel
May 31st, 2007, 07:02 AM
I've been thinking about it for a couple of days and i'm now thinking that The Jack Flashfoward wasn't a foward al all. It was a flashback, Jack Flashes back to events of what happened that day.
The rest of the series will also be set in 2007 and all the remaining characters will be flashing back to the series of events that got them off the island from here on in.

Morbo
May 31st, 2007, 07:06 AM
interesting idea, but highly doubtful.
the whole twist was that what we thought were flashbacks, a show staple since the premiere, were actually flashes to the future.

the show is a tapestry weaved together by the past, present, and future. this has been said by the producers themselves. the show will always take place in the "present" (2004). But we will get/see info from the past and the [now] the future.

Anubis69
May 31st, 2007, 07:57 AM
How they use these flashforward will be key... Can anyone think of some really awesome situations to use them in? For example, most of the flashbacks had a point which emphasised or explained why someone took a course of action on the island. They can't exactly do that with flashforwards... Unless it's done right, these flashforwards are just gonna seem like they've run out of flashbacks.

Saying that though, I do have faith...

DangerIsGo
June 1st, 2007, 09:51 AM
The ep was really really good ... the more I saw it the more I realized how good it was. My question is...what is the point of the flash forwards? Isnt that kinda giving away the ending if that is it? I don't see a real purpose of them and to have both backs and forwards next year will be even more confusing to people; as if the show wasnt confusing to some already.

marty2006
June 1st, 2007, 01:06 PM
Charlie closed the door because it only locked from the inside and because des sed it would have saved claire and the baby. Apparently next season the people that jack has allowed onto the island are worse than the others and we form a sort of alliance if you will with the others in order to fight the new group. Also we will no longer be on the beach the beach is no longer where the losties live. Apparently harold perrineau (Michael) has been offered a role as a series regular next season, wether or not he accepts is a different story he had already turned down the opportunity to return in the finale.

Promethius30
June 3rd, 2007, 11:09 AM
I have only just watch this episode and its not like i get the rest of the seasons but i did not get it some i get it
Is that the flash back that was really set in the future i got that but is that what would happen if the people who he did contact was good and next season will it start from the flash back or from when he was talking to the people from the boat
And i am upset that they killed of Charley

firefly30
July 30th, 2007, 04:24 AM
Charlie closed the door because it only locked from the inside and because des sed it would have saved claire and the baby. Apparently next season the people that jack has allowed onto the island are worse than the others and we form a sort of alliance if you will with the others in order to fight the new group. Also we will no longer be on the beach the beach is no longer where the losties live. Apparently harold perrineau (Michael) has been offered a role as a series regular next season, wether or not he accepts is a different story he had already turned down the opportunity to return in the finale.


Interesting. I always felt an alliance with the Others coming on and now that some main bad guys seem to be out of the way, I think the door is open for that. Didn't know about Perrineau had been offered a regular spot. I cannot say I am jumping up and down about that, I think his story has pretty much been told.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:27 AM
I am completely on the side of John Locke. I think Jack should take some time off.

IrishPisano
May 5th, 2010, 12:46 PM
i just started watching Lost 2 wks ago and just finished TTLG last night

my question: why didn't Charlie just swim out of the station with Desmond? the water was not going to flood the entire thing that quickly, and they could have easily made it out...... surfacing is a lot easier and quicker than descending......

there's no logical reason why charlie should have locked himself in that room........