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deadman
April 22nd, 2007, 05:16 PM
Now that we have the entire Asgard database, energy weapons, even nicer shields, and on top of that Merlin's device, do you think they will continue to make 304s, start making O'Neills, or begin the creation of a new battlecruiser?

I personally think they should make a new 303 for nostalgia's sake, more 304s as support ships and one massive capitol ship Galactica sized. Probably won't happen though.

lightstorm
April 22nd, 2007, 07:05 PM
and this is a spoiler how? for a second i thought you'd found out somehing new.

ManiacMike
April 22nd, 2007, 09:02 PM
he meant if anyones going to talk about season 10 final episode info

from what we know, they still know little about the new tech minus Teal'c.

If there was more seasons to come i would say we would of figured out enough to start building new ships within the mid season of season 11. We know humans know how to use asgard tech, when we built the Deady.Oddy. & Apollo. So I would say we might make a few more 303's then start building bigger and better ones that are a hybrid of asgard/tauri.

Start with the legacy class :thoranime07:

then rebuild O'Neill class and so on.

Then rebuild the promethius just for the hell of it. :cameron:

genius21
April 22nd, 2007, 10:31 PM
yeah building new ships and developing new technology is much easyér

thor spend a better part of a year building the database/computer core so it can be easy used and if they dont understand something the can ask the thor hologram.

if they also use the asgard way of building ships it's much easyér faster and lower costs.

unless the writers and makers of the show keep there stupid idea that we would be to powerfull.

Archaeis
April 23rd, 2007, 12:08 AM
By SGU time, I'm guessing they won't be able to keep the whole alien thing a secret from the public anymore. Who knows, maybe they'll open up a ship deign contest to the public and let them come up with a huge variety.

deadman
April 23rd, 2007, 02:43 AM
Why didn't Thor just put his mind into the hologram program, so when we get advanced enough, we could make him a new body.

VSHARMA
April 23rd, 2007, 03:35 AM
Start with the legacy class :thoranime07:

then rebuild O'Neill class and so on.

Then rebuild the promethius just for the hell of it. :cameron:

Why would you want to build older ships like the Prommie again? O'neil class looked well cool but if the Asgard wanted us to have same, they would have given them.


Why didn't Thor just put his mind into the hologram program, so when we get advanced enough, we could make him a new body.

The Asgard were trying to resolve their genetic problem for 10,000 years. I doubt that we would have been able to sort out the Asgard

Dutch_Razor
April 23rd, 2007, 04:48 AM
We sorted the replicator problem, which required ouyt of the box thinking.

ACharmedAsgard
April 23rd, 2007, 05:21 AM
Plus we could destroy the replicators bugs with our weapons whilst the Asgard couldn't, maybe we are the answer to their problem - who knows?

immhotep
April 23rd, 2007, 06:43 AM
I have a feeling that Thor may have, as a safegaurd uploaded a copy of his conscious in to the main core thingy. As well as other asgard's because remeber he said you will be able to interface with any asgard on record, record means that he could be in there somewhere, or fragments of him. In Reckoning thor uploaded his consciousness in to a computer then copied it in to a clone. He could have copied himself in to a harddrive somewhere on the ship, it wouldnt take up much room, he was only 5 Goauld crystels, thats like a memory stick to the Asgard..maybe a return for thor someday.
also there is a way to bring the Asgard back that no one had thought of, Andriods, If thor can fit in to 5 Crystels on a ship and interact with the ship directly, then he could easily fit on to some kind of new Asgard stone type device, fit that in to a newly created andriod body, think Irobot. Download his C. in to the stone and hey presto. At some point in the future they may be able to gain permission to bring back a few Asgard's from the past. Basicly i think a really cool episode would be if the loaded the PJ with hundreds of super advanced memory storage devices then flew to Othala and told all the Asgard to upload themselve in to these crystels, then go back to the future and plug them in to the Androids. Hey pretso, Asgard back in the universe.
Obviously when they get back we say that were keeping thier gizmos, otherwise well just go back in time and not bring them back, blackmail, its awesome :D

As to new ships, i think the next one will be the Legacy class, which will be like a mini oniel. The deadalus classes will be used in pegasus to fight the wraith, while the Oniels the asgard have be repossess by us and used to fight the ori in to submission.

Wraith_Boy
April 23rd, 2007, 08:59 AM
Now that we have the entire Asgard database, energy weapons, even nicer shields, and on top of that Merlin's device, do you think they will continue to make 304s, start making O'Neills, or begin the creation of a new battlecruiser?

I personally think they should make a new 303 for nostalgia's sake, more 304s as support ships and one massive capitol ship Galactica sized. Probably won't happen though.

They need ships now, don't have the luxury of wasting any resources or materials on building a tiny & vastly outdated ship.

They won't be making any O'Neills either because it's a human show, meaning they want them to have their own ship, the Asgard had a few ships in S8, so if they were ever gonna get their hands on them, why didn't the Asgard simply hand them over before they blew themselves up. Would have saved all the hassle if they were gonna build their own O'Neill class ships anyway from scratch. Look at the opening eps of Atlantis S3, they desploy the gas & take over a Hive ship. Why not do the same again & they'd have their own Hive that they could retro-fit with shields, hyperdrives etc. Allowing them to have powerful energy weapons. They have beaming tech, why not sweep in aboard a cloaked Odyssey to an unprepared Ha'tak, which doesn't detect a threat so will have it's shields down. They can beam all the Jaffa or Lucian Alliance crew off & into their brigs. They dump them at the nearest planet & bingo they have their own Ha'tak that they can being upgrading immediately.

Any ships they get will be their own, the only foreign ships I can see them owning would be Lantean warships. Although they tend to get destroyed very quickly as well.

However for answers to the Asgard database & what they will do, watch the Atlantis Mid-Season 2 parter! It involves lots of ships, technology, Carter & all the rest.

talyn2k1
April 23rd, 2007, 09:12 AM
O`Neill class ships are waaay ahead of us. Plus our scientists and officers on the ships would be much more comfortable with something based on a human design which is better designed to fit our needs.

O`Neill classes are too big and it just wouldn`t be realistic having us be able to build those or even building them if we could. We`d want something with our own stamp on it.

I can see upgraded 304s coming by the end of SGA S4, but I wouldn`t expect any brand new Asgard-based ships for atleast a few years. Rushing it would just give us something like the Prometheus which will just have a series of different Asgard upgrades tacked on after construction. Its better to take our time with the design of a new ship so that it doesn`t end up like the 303.

I think we can safely expect to start seeing things like upgraded shields, hyperdrives, and matter replicators by the end of SGA S4 and low yield energy weapons by mid to late S5. Anything more than that would be stretching the relative realism of the show.

immhotep
April 23rd, 2007, 09:29 AM
I think the energy weapons will be the first to be duplicated, or because they ahve 6 on the Oddesey, i think each of our deadal's will get 2 each, so they all have some offensive power, the power source upgraded next so they can last longer in battle. Shields and hyperdrives wil lremain the same IMO, they were already as good as they could get. It the weapons and power source that will be upgraded first.
The Asgard core thing, with all the knowledge base, wil lbe taken off and put in to area 51 for study, and then in a few years, maybe in line with the new stargate universe series, will be when the asgard technology really becomes a feature. With our new weapons the wraith could be dead within years, if it take 6 hits to take down an oir mother ship, the wraith hives stand no chance, they would be sliced apart like in the siege. with only about 50 hives left in the galaxy we could clear up the wraith issue in a few months, if we commited our entire fleet and upgraded them with the weapons.
then we could refocus back to the ori.
The asurians would be wiped out pretty quickly too, the asgard built the anti replicator satalites and we have one over the beta site, we oculd just tow it and wipe them out, or build new ones.

Wraith_Boy
April 23rd, 2007, 09:44 AM
O`Neill class ships are waaay ahead of us. Plus our scientists and officers on the ships would be much more comfortable with something based on a human design which is better designed to fit our needs.

O`Neill classes are too big and it just wouldn`t be realistic having us be able to build those or even building them if we could. We`d want something with our own stamp on it.

I can see upgraded 304s coming by the end of SGA S4, but I wouldn`t expect any brand new Asgard-based ships for atleast a few years. Rushing it would just give us something like the Prometheus which will just have a series of different Asgard upgrades tacked on after construction. Its better to take our time with the design of a new ship so that it doesn`t end up like the 303.

I think we can safely expect to start seeing things like upgraded shields, hyperdrives, and matter replicators by the end of SGA S4 and low yield energy weapons by mid to late S5. Anything more than that would be stretching the relative realism of the show.

I seriously doubt they'll be going for energy weapons in late S5. Atlantis will be lucky to get to S5 given the way Skiffy have began acting as of late, so they won't hang about on that front I'm pretty sure of. If they can build energy weapons in the 1st place, then low yield won't be a problem because it'll directly be drawn from their power supply. Which is probably naquadriah as standard, so probably won't have enough juice to take out an Asuran warship but should easily enough be able to cut a Wraith ship to pieces.

Hyperdrives, Shields can't be upgraded because they already have the proper versions, it's just that under standard power, it's not able to run the Asgard technology at it's full potential.

They've just introduced Apollo, they haven't given Daedalus a good run in S3, while Odyssey will still probably be around as well. So can't see them just bringing in a new ship class. The minimum for that I'd expect to be S5. Perhaps if it gets cancelled & they do the movies, then they may bring in a few of the new model to finish off the Wraith & Asurans. I think the best that can be hoped for is they bring in energy weapons & a few other perks. Which with a bit of luck should take place around mid season.

Londo Molari
April 23rd, 2007, 10:08 AM
I know if I was in charge of Earth's defenses, given that the entire Asgard knowledge-base fell into my hands, I would begin production of a larger fleet of SMALLER ships.

Call them frigates or even corvettes. Much smaller than the 304 in size, but given Asgard tech, just as strong. They would require less material and resources to build, would require smaller crews, and could be built in larger numbers. They could be potentially strong enough to challenge a Ha'tak 1 on 1.

I believe such a design would make both the BC-304 and the F-302 obsolete. Without shields and energy weapons the F-302 is already obsolete. As a result, the existing 304s would change rolls and become cargo or troop transports.

Of course such a strategy is more suited if Earth was involved in a war, or had large territories to patrol in space. I suppose in a time of peace, large multipurpose ships are more suitable. But no matter what, I think logically the sizes of future ships will get smaller than the 304. With the help of advanced Asgard tech, they could pack the same punch in something smaller, cheaper, not bigger.

Ravroz
April 23rd, 2007, 11:32 AM
I agree a replacement for the 302 would be a very nice thing to have. With the Asgard technology they could also probably develop shields for them and a small enough powersupply to power energy weapons for them and make the shield quite formidible. Heck they might even be able to build a two man fighter with hyperspace capabilities. That would make us a pretty powerful force to be reckoned with...

Col. Shadow Quinn
April 23rd, 2007, 11:48 AM
I would expect some more 303s and 304s most likely. Maybe a new class of starships. I don't expect the 302s to be phased out yet. Smaller ships like frigates and corvettes aren't really intended to be able take on hatak motherships. The Odyssey would obviously be the flagship of the Earth fleet because it has a ZPM to make the upgrades extremely powerful. Size and starship role are actually quite dependent on each other. Smaller ships would be developed, but not to make the 302s, 303s, and 304s obselete; only to be used as support ships in combat.

Semmer
April 23rd, 2007, 12:49 PM
Don't you remember that basically the size is the key to victory and power (if we rule out ZPM power source)?
If they start building smaller ships, it basically means that they have to prepare for potentially higher and more fequent casualities? More potential casualities means Stargate going public. They can't hide unexplained casualities forever when Asurans and Wraith start blasting their Alkesh sized gunships one after another. ;)

As it's seen, bigger ships tend to survive longer in battle due to bigger and more powerful power generators (if, again, we rule out numerous Atlantis mess-ups... :mckay: )
Imho small ships for planetary defence only (outrule fighters). Medium and Large to offense.



As for the common attitude that they couldn't build bigger ships than Daedalus-class is a sign of limited thinking. ;) I don't see any problems to build 10km long ship. It just takes time and resources, and SG universe is full of resources. All the needed technology likely to be found from Asgard knowledge base.
(of course 10km long ship is not wise to build if it takes 10+ years... :D )

apollo22
April 23rd, 2007, 02:35 PM
The minimum for that I'd expect to be S5. Perhaps if it gets cancelled & they do the movies, then they may bring in a few of the new model to finish off the Wraith & Asurans.

wraith_boy, u are just so negative. we want atlantis to last as long as sg1. atlantis has something sg1 didnt. it has the effect of the search fro better technologies and we have the whole city to search

Gandron
April 23rd, 2007, 02:49 PM
I would expect them to begin producing more advanced ships. I would also expect faster production speed (they have been building these things for a long time), better weapons, shields, and hyperdrives. In the next few seasons, don't be surprised to see the "brand new 305, 306, and 307". Progressively larger, more powerful, and faster ships. As to how they could man those ships (the DSCs require some 200-ish people for the crew) without drawing attention to the large holes in manpower, money (I doubt that they come cheap), the obvious occasional leak, and the chance of an enemy attacking earth, I don't know.

deadman
April 23rd, 2007, 03:41 PM
Or they could make the gate public once the Ori threat is gone, and then we will be in for smooth sailing, of course aver WWIII, which should really not be to hard to win considering we have three ships, the Merlin device and rediculous nukes.

Jimbo-DR
April 23rd, 2007, 06:36 PM
What we should be doing is churning out 303 hulls as fast as we can and fitting them with all the most advanced technology that we have now. That would probably be the quickest way to get the strongest fleet.

wilson359
April 24th, 2007, 03:17 AM
I like this design that I came across on Scifimesh.com

Xeon_1
April 24th, 2007, 05:20 AM
I like this design that I came across on Scifi.com

nice but is would be a bit better if the wings on the side's are thinner and curved inward

but overal i like it

Ravroz
April 24th, 2007, 09:09 AM
That was a very nice design and interesting how they combined design aspects from several of the Asgard ships and the front design of the 304 class ships. I have to say that if Carter does indeed get a new ship with the newest Asgard technology integreted I will be very interested in seeing what she can do.

Londo Molari
April 24th, 2007, 10:25 AM
I like this design that I came across on Scifi.com

and I like this one from spacebattles.com :p
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=2939425&postcount=99

ManiacMike
April 24th, 2007, 11:08 AM
both those artists are on this board ;)

deadman
April 24th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I like them both, the O'Neill like one would probably be a capital ship, while the Excaliber would probably be an attack vessel slightly smaller than the 304.

apollo22
April 24th, 2007, 03:58 PM
I like this design that I came across on Scifi.com

i love the look of this ship. it is a good tribute to the asgard legacy. the pictures on http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=2939425&postcount=99. the one on spacebattles would be a great flagship for the united states.

RJB
April 24th, 2007, 04:29 PM
and I like this one from spacebattles.com :p
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=2939425&postcount=99
I highly approve. ;)
(This reminds me that I need to do some new renders of her with her new texture maps.)

PS are you Londo Molari of Spacebattles too? If you are I remember playing subspace with you and johan back in the good old days.

Londo Molari
April 24th, 2007, 05:03 PM
Oh you're here too! Awesome!

Yeah that was me... man that was a looong time ago..I think kosh800 played too... :p What nick did you use? subspace sure was addictive... I even made a stargate shipset :p ... but I finally got over the game.

Awesome ship design seriously, especially in the details, and to whoever said that it would be smaller than the 304... its supposed to be more than double the size :o

RJB
April 24th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Oh you're here too! Awesome!

Yeah that was me... man that was a looong time ago..I think kosh800 played too... :p What nick did you use? subspace sure was addictive... I even made a stargate shipset :p ... but I finally got over the game.

Awesome ship design seriously, especially in the details, and to whoever said that it would be smaller than the 304... its supposed to be more than double the size :o
lol. What a small world we live in.
Yeah I got over the game myself but it was a pleasure playing with you guys. I also think back then I used your SG shipset as well. :)

And about the Excalibur, here is a size chart to give an idea of scale. (Looks like I need to do an update on this too.)
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sgsizechart4001lv3.jpg

Ehecatl
April 24th, 2007, 05:26 PM
The Asgard synthesizer can't really create everything and even though we now have the Asgard database we still won't be able to construct or understand a majority of the technology; like the O'niells.

ACharmedAsgard
April 25th, 2007, 02:04 AM
With the Holographic interface a represtation of Thor or Any other Asgard can talk us through and show us how to construct their technology. They did everything they could to aid us so it should be possible to make an O'Neil

garhkal
April 27th, 2007, 10:40 AM
I agree a replacement for the 302 would be a very nice thing to have. With the Asgard technology they could also probably develop shields for them and a small enough powersupply to power energy weapons for them and make the shield quite formidible. Heck they might even be able to build a two man fighter with hyperspace capabilities. That would make us a pretty powerful force to be reckoned with...

Makes them sound to 'starwarsy' since they have y wings (2 seaters)..

But i do agree, we need to upgrade them with more than just missiles and a chain gun!

ACharmedAsgard
April 27th, 2007, 10:48 AM
I doubt they would upgarde the 302's weaponry

Jimbo-DR
April 27th, 2007, 12:18 PM
But it would make sense if they did. Suppose they could put a single Asgard Energy weapon on the front of it, even toned down and not as powerful as the ones on Oddysey it would still be a force to be reckoned with. Imagine having 16 302's with a toned down version of that beam weapon attack a hive ship. I'm guessing we win that fight hands down.

ACharmedAsgard
April 27th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Oh we probably would. But it may be to expensive to have them applied to all the 302s

genius21
April 27th, 2007, 10:29 PM
on jm blog was said that new ships we will not see in season 4 that is to fast but upgrades to the existing ships will happen.

deadman
April 28th, 2007, 01:57 AM
I'm hoping by Season 1 of Universe and 5 of Atlantis we will have at least two more ships and maybe one new class. I want to see a heavy bomber with supernukes and Asgard weapons.

ManiacMike
April 28th, 2007, 03:48 AM
Am I the only one who didn't the "phasers" that were upgraded on the ship :mckay:

ACharmedAsgard
April 28th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Am I the only one who didn't the "phasers" that were upgraded on the ship :mckay:
Pardon?

ManiacMike
April 28th, 2007, 05:45 PM
*didnt like*

sorry ;)

ACharmedAsgard
April 28th, 2007, 06:58 PM
Oh! it's ok lol, I just wondered what you were saying lol.

Why didn't you like the Energy Weapons?

ManiacMike
April 28th, 2007, 08:00 PM
too startrek-ish

tis why I said "phasers" :daniel:

I wanted something...different. Maybe more original.

When I seen the lasers come off of the hull I was like "yay! energy weapons...ohhhh I seen that before."

Jimbo-DR
April 29th, 2007, 08:52 AM
They didn't seem very much like phasers to me. Phasers to me seem like a sustained beam of energy. These things are basically just longer versions of the energy bolts that normal Asgard ships fire. Same with the Ori main weapon. Didn't seem like phasers to me.

ACharmedAsgard
April 29th, 2007, 02:52 PM
The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

thegatebuilders
May 2nd, 2007, 03:59 AM
The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

i agree but it was about time we had weapons capable of blowing a whole in our enemies

turbo1889
May 2nd, 2007, 08:36 AM
In reality we don't need new ships classes (although it is cool to get them) we need to upgrade our current ships to properly fulfill their roll -- Lets take the 304 with its bays full of f-302's for example. The thing is suppost to be the equivalent of an aircraft-carrier yet it cannot fulfill that role to any affect. It is actually more like a missle-cruiser with fighter support, and not a very strong one at that.

The time honored military roll of carrier is to launch a deadly force of fighter/bombers against an enemy fleet without revealing its location. It harresses the enemy and destroys their fleet without putting itself in the direct line of fire; also something can be said about the element of surprise which is just kind of wrecked when a big highly visible ship takes 5 minutes burling towards the enemy before its within weapons range -- Anyone ever watch "Tora! Tora! Tora!" ? If you have you know what I'm talking about. The F-302 lacks the neccessary range and firepower for this. We were on the right path with the X-302 which was designed to be hyperspace capable for short distances. With the 303 we figured out how to make a Naquadria hyper-drive work correctly for short distances (Buffer Module). Equip the F-302 with a Naquadria hyper-drive with buffer module technology. As far as fire-power the F-302 already has missle hard points and we already have missles equipped with small nuclear warheads which can be carried by any fighter/bomber -- not just the F-302 the F-18 as well. Every carrier in the current U.S. fleet (Real World -- Not Gate World) is equipped with such weapons and at a moments notice can equip is squadrons with said weapons.

Equipped with such upgraded F-302A's the 304 class would be able to properly fulfill their roll as a carrier and launch their squadrons against enemy fleets from a distance producing maximum damage on the enemy with minimal risk to the 304 mother ship; and gaining the element of surprise. Next on the plate can't we get a carrier to carry more then a dozen fighter/bombers, for goodness sake !?!?!?

How about a 305 super carrier which carries six dozen F-302A's? We can build conventional aircraft carriers capable of carrying that kind of fire-power we have the technical know-how and experience with building one 303 and four 304's so far lets just expand our horizons a little.

Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

thegatebuilders
May 3rd, 2007, 12:01 AM
Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

after the korlev, i was expecting a similar move, but the russian seems to have disappared after that mishap at camelot

Jimbo-DR
May 3rd, 2007, 04:13 AM
In reality we don't need new ships classes (although it is cool to get them) we need to upgrade our current ships to properly fulfill their roll -- Lets take the 304 with its bays full of f-302's for example. The thing is suppost to be the equivalent of an aircraft-carrier yet it cannot fulfill that role to any affect. It is actually more like a missle-cruiser with fighter support, and not a very strong one at that.

The time honored military roll of carrier is to launch a deadly force of fighter/bombers against an enemy fleet without revealing its location. It harresses the enemy and destroys their fleet without putting itself in the direct line of fire; also something can be said about the element of surprise which is just kind of wrecked when a big highly visible ship takes 5 minutes burling towards the enemy before its within weapons range -- Anyone ever watch "Tora! Tora! Tora!" ? If you have you know what I'm talking about. The F-302 lacks the neccessary range and firepower for this. We were on the right path with the X-302 which was designed to be hyperspace capable for short distances. With the 303 we figured out how to make a Naquadria hyper-drive work correctly for short distances (Buffer Module). Equip the F-302 with a Naquadria hyper-drive with buffer module technology. As far as fire-power the F-302 already has missle hard points and we already have missles equipped with small nuclear warheads which can be carried by any fighter/bomber -- not just the F-302 the F-18 as well. Every carrier in the current U.S. fleet (Real World -- Not Gate World) is equipped with such weapons and at a moments notice can equip is squadrons with said weapons.

Equipped with such upgraded F-302A's the 304 class would be able to properly fulfill their roll as a carrier and launch their squadrons against enemy fleets from a distance producing maximum damage on the enemy with minimal risk to the 304 mother ship; and gaining the element of surprise. Next on the plate can't we get a carrier to carry more then a dozen fighter/bombers, for goodness sake !?!?!?

How about a 305 super carrier which carries six dozen F-302A's? We can build conventional aircraft carriers capable of carrying that kind of fire-power we have the technical know-how and experience with building one 303 and four 304's so far lets just expand our horizons a little.

Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

Good thoughts, but pretty pointless after the upgrades we received in Unending. All we should be doing to improve our fleet is pumping out 303 hulls and 304 hulls as quickly as we can and fitting them with the new Asgard subsystems. A 303 hull is obviously smaller than the 304, so I'm sure we can produce them MUCH faster. I emphasize much because hopefully we can also use our new Asgard technology to upgrade our production facilities.

I.E. Matter synthesizing a huge bulkhead and beaming it directly into postion. Give it a year and we'd have a sizable fleet with the most advanced weapons and defense in the galaxy.

Ravroz
May 8th, 2007, 08:38 AM
Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

thegatebuilders
May 9th, 2007, 03:43 AM
Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

i doubt we would notice since asgard themselves dont follow a consistent partern apart from the drawings, i mean the beliskiner is very different from the the oniel and the diniel jacksons, so what ever design we come up with, i am sure it will be accepted as an based design rather than a mixture of both cultures.

garhkal
May 9th, 2007, 04:25 PM
after the korlev, i was expecting a similar move, but the russian seems to have disappared after that mishap at camelot

That is cause the korlev was one we gave them. Ergo, they have not got another to go back out there with.

As to me, i would like to see some 'crusier' variants. if the 304 is supposed to be a fighter carrier, hows about an escort ship?

Wraith_Boy
May 9th, 2007, 06:13 PM
too startrek-ish

tis why I said "phasers" :daniel:

I wanted something...different. Maybe more original.

When I seen the lasers come off of the hull I was like "yay! energy weapons...ohhhh I seen that before."

Lol, if anything 'Energy Weapons' would be a more appropriate term to use for originality because 'Phasers' have always been used & associated with Star Trek.

I them 'Pulse Beams'!


The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

That & the fact that we've only ever seen Asgard use energy weapons before. So they had to be energy based.

I think Thor summed it up best:

THOR
The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulpher.

Would be silly to have seen them spending their last year of existence working on a way to shoot limited projectile weapons when they've always used energy based ones themselves all this time.

Rail Guns aren't effective against shielded targets, nor is warheads. The only other thing they could have done would be to create a system that would allow the warheads to phase through enemy shields. Although if they gave them that, then there really wouldn be no way to stop them. All they'd need to do was jump into Asuras, launch all the most powerful warheads into the cities, watch them go through the shields & impact inside the structures. At least with the energy weapons they have multiple angles of which to spin it. Such as they were specifically targeted for the Ori shields, so don't cause much damage to Asuran shields, another is that they aren't very powerful because the other 304's don't have ZPM's to max up the power etc.


Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

Afraid that ain't gonna happen. JM has already stated in his blog that new models are a long way off. With dipping ratings, S4 being put back to the fall. It may only get a few eps to convince Sci-Fi it's worthy of a S5. That's why I don't personally think we'll get to ever see a new ship model on Atlantis before it ends. Best bet would be the new series, or perhaps movies if Atlantis decided to go down that route. This is why we'll probably have to make do with upgraded 304's that are coming up in S4 of Atlantis.

Hellfrost
May 10th, 2007, 05:03 AM
New ships for earth... Well we know they can produce ships fast. Between the Prometheus and The Daedalus was about 2 years but now they are building ships much faster. 3 ships in 2 years so we know that it can be done. But how long do you think it will take our scientists to figure out how to reverse engineer everything the asgards added? I doubt they will be able to do that in like 6 months time... For now i am holding on to normal class ships, maybe 1 ship with superior shields or weapons but that's it.

Professor Chaos
May 13th, 2007, 01:04 AM
They need a smaller ship, but not weaker. They should take the approach Star Trek did with the Defiant. Small, yet fully capable of taking on a normal sized ship and fully loaded with intergalactic hyperdrives, Asgard power source, Asgard beam weapons, Beam technology, cloak ect. Also, less dependent on a crew so 1 or 2 people could operate it.

VSHARMA
May 13th, 2007, 01:42 AM
They need a smaller ship, but not weaker. They should take the approach Star Trek did with the Defiant. Small, yet fully capable of taking on a normal sized ship and fully loaded with intergalactic hyperdrives, Asgard power source, Asgard beam weapons, Beam technology, cloak ect. Also, less dependent on a crew so 1 or 2 people could operate it.

You want a smaller ship than the DSC-304's? T304's dwarf almost everything in the SG universe. Ha'taks, Hives, Ori Cursers and Asgard Mother ships. If anything we need bigger ships.
You want smaller ships; steal a few Al'kesh's from the very few System Lords left. Even these little Ori Fighters will do. They have Shielding, Ori pulse weapons and are extremely maneuverable

Jimbo-DR
May 13th, 2007, 10:51 AM
Size doesn't matter. In fact for us smaller is just as effective as big. Remember we are funding this program top secretly and we have limited manpower.

Like I keep saying, pumping out 303 Hulls and fitting them with Asgard subsystems would give us the most powerful fleet and the best bang for our buck in no time.

ACharmedAsgard
May 13th, 2007, 02:48 PM
We are now the biggest threat to most of our enemies

foofighter
May 27th, 2007, 03:28 PM
well I think that any new ships that get built by earth will be more 304's lets think about it will be more simple and easyer to carry on the production of the 304's and get to understand the asgard tech. another idea would be to finaly build a small transport/escort vessel we carn't survie on 304's and 302's to fill all are needs. and I'm sure it would take pressure of the 304's when we need them for short range work and what about at atlantis something to do the bigger jobs that a puddle jumper carn't.