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Why Carson? Why?
April 17th, 2007, 09:48 AM
If Carter comes in her new ship wouldn't that be equiped with all there new tech and so wouldnt that mean that the Ori would be able to follow them? I mean thats a whole new Galexy for the Ori to infest.

Buba uognarf
April 17th, 2007, 09:51 AM
If Carter comes in her new ship wouldn't that be equiped with all there new tech and so wouldnt that mean that the Ori would be able to follow them? I mean thats a whole new Galexy for the Ori to infest.

I doubt they'll be able to duplicate the asgard core which the Ori tracked and even if the Ori did come they'd be crushed by the Wraith and Asurans...Unless they had dozens of ships with them that it...

jenks
April 17th, 2007, 09:52 AM
If Carter comes in her new ship wouldn't that be equiped with all there new tech and so wouldnt that mean that the Ori would be able to follow them? I mean thats a whole new Galexy for the Ori to infest.

I doubt by time Carter comes to Atlantis the Ori will be any sort of threat.

wise one
April 17th, 2007, 10:43 AM
not to jerk everyone but shouldt there be spoilers for these kind of topics since some people havent seen all of season 10

Daniel Jackson
April 17th, 2007, 10:47 AM
If Carter comes in her new ship wouldn't that be equiped with all there new tech and so wouldnt that mean that the Ori would be able to follow them? I mean thats a whole new Galexy for the Ori to infest.
The Ori story will come to a climax in the movie Stargate: The Ark of Truth. The movie will likely take place before Carter joins the cast of Atlantis. I also doubt the Oddyssey will be assigned to Atlantis. It'd rather they keep the Daedalus (so they can keep Caldwell).

Steve_the_Wraith
April 17th, 2007, 10:48 AM
I doubt by time Carter comes to Atlantis the Ori will be any sort of threat.
Setting season 4 after the movies makes sense - especially if Carter is running the Atlantis base, she can't go running off to have adventures with SG-1. I wonder what'll appen though if/when more SG-1 movies are made, they would require Carter to abandon her position at Atlantis to fight whatever foe they find in the Milky Way. Unless the next film is an Atlantis SG-1 team up movie, where the twoteams work together to defeat a larger enemy (of course a movie with a core cast of atleast 9 - Carter,Daniel, Teal'c, Vala, Mitchell, Shepperd, McKay, Teyla, Ronon - would be very hard to do [some characters would have to end up being sidelined])

Ravroz
April 17th, 2007, 01:46 PM
I'll put this in spoiler tags for those that have not seen unending
At the end of the episode when Tealc was sent back when they reversed time he had a program to disconnect the hyperdrive from the asgard core. This leads me to believe that the problem with the Ori tracking it had to do with the power signature given off by the Asgard core interfacing with the hyperdrive engines. With that connection I don't see that there should be any way that the Ori would be able to track any ships with the new Asgard technology installed as long as it is seperated from the hyperdrive controls.

Ripple in Space
April 17th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Well I read on here that JM confirmed that the Ori already know about Pegasus. It wouldn't make sense if he didn't since the Ori only found MW by reading Danny's mind, and Daniel is the one who discovered Pegasus.

The Ori just see MW as the better primary target. They go for numbers.

It's been implied that Ida (the Asgard Galaxy) was never even shielded from the Ori in the first place. The Ori could have known about the Asgard, but figured that a race with a stagnant/declining population, and comparable technology wasn't worth converting.

Relating to Pegasus, it's a dwarf galaxy with a small human population. Two uber-races live there, as stated by Buba, it would have taken dozens of Ori Cruisers to take down the Wraith, and I don't think they could've beaten the Asurans with 100 ships. Not to mention the fact that the Asurans would be a nemesis that couldn't be of any use to the Ori.

Aurora Warship >>>>> Ori Cruiser

If the campaign was successful in MW, they probably would've taken the full might of the Jaffa/Humans, given them Ori tech, and sent them against the Wraith.

wise one
April 18th, 2007, 01:11 AM
the ori cant even be in the pegasus galaxy since ascended being still live up there

there ships on the other hand can enter but PG has only a few million or maybe billions of humans and once they come into a wraith territory or asuran they would have a hard time converting

bniblett
April 18th, 2007, 04:50 AM
not to jerk everyone but shouldt there be spoilers for these kind of topics since some people havent seen all of season 10


this is the season 4 thread, its kinda 'use at your own risk'


you have to assume everybody posting here has seen up to the end of s3 of atlantis and the end of s10 of sg-1

Wraith_Boy
April 18th, 2007, 07:07 AM
Ori haven't bothered about Pegasus, because they haven't gotten through the majority of the MW yet. So they don't have anywhere near enough resources to take on Pegasus as well.

Not to mention the fact that the population is very low thanks to the Wraith & their cullings over the millenia.

They aren't looking in humans best interests, only in amassing an army of worshippers. Therefore the numbers they'd get would not outweigh the risk of sending a ship or two into distant lands. Especially since Wraith defeated Lanteans, which proves they'd be a serious threat to the Ori. While Asurans have full Lantean knowledge & tech. Which we know Drones can affect the Ori ships. They have them & plenty of ZPM's in abundance, as well as energy beam weapons & all the rest.

Ori may pretend they are gods, but they aren't stupid because without their ships in the foreign galaxies, they are nothing! So it's far too big a risk to go to Pegasus when they wouldn't get back hardly anything in return.

As of 'The Shroud' that diminishes ever further. While the Ori storyline will be wrapped up once & all after the 1st movie.

This will also probably happen before Carter actually goes to Pegasus. As I can't see her appearing on the show in 'Adrift', then leaving again to join up with SG-1 again. Probably the initial appearance will be where she is communicating with the Apollo or something via the SGC.

So when she comes Ori will be no more, so the point is kinda outdated because they won't be around for much longer. Would like to perhaps have one of their ships be captured by the SGC, although don't think that's likely.

VSHARMA
April 18th, 2007, 11:34 AM
not to jerk everyone but shouldt there be spoilers for these kind of topics since some people havent seen all of season 10


Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!! Look at his Name..........Why Carson? Why?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Ravroz
April 18th, 2007, 12:16 PM
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!! Look at his Name..........Why Carson? Why?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Now that I look at it that is a major spoiler if read into too much...

wise one
April 18th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!!! Look at his Name..........Why Carson? Why?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

once i looked at that name thats when i thought shouldt there be spoilerslol

garhkal
April 19th, 2007, 12:30 PM
It's been implied that Ida (the Asgard Galaxy) was never even shielded from the Ori in the first place. The Ori could have known about the Asgard, but figured that a race with a stagnant/declining population, and comparable technology wasn't worth converting.

That is assuming they could have even converted them..


Especially since Wraith defeated Lanteans, which proves they'd be a serious threat to the Ori.

Now that would be worth watchingl...

Raj_2006
April 19th, 2007, 12:36 PM
That is assuming they could have even converted them..



Now that would be worth watchingl...

They only defeated the Lanteans because of numbers. They were out numbered. But also there could be other reasons why they lost the war. I believe that it is also to do with resources.

TheUnknown
April 19th, 2007, 04:13 PM
The Ori story will come to a climax in the movie Stargate: The Ark of Truth. The movie will likely take place before Carter joins the cast of Atlantis. I also doubt the Oddyssey will be assigned to Atlantis. It'd rather they keep the Daedalus (so they can keep Caldwell).

IIRC, one of the synopses about the movie says that they've been searching for the Ark for a while, so it's possible that the movie takes place after Carter joins Atlantis.

Prior_of_the_Ori
April 20th, 2007, 05:06 AM
Well I read on here that JM confirmed that the Ori already know about Pegasus. It wouldn't make sense if he didn't since the Ori only found MW by reading Danny's mind, and Daniel is the one who discovered Pegasus.

I havent read this on the blog. Any chance of a direction to the specific part? Just curious because I always thought that the Ori werent aware of almost anything beyond their own galaxy because of the Ascended Ancients blocking their ability to see or something like that.

Anyway, I don't think the Ori are interested in Pegasus just yet. Once they gain the Milky Way galaxy's faith then I think they will have enough power to destroy the Ascended Ancients and once thats done they can actively use their powers to destroy the Wraith or Asurans or do whatever they want really.

Hallowed are the Ori people. :docianime09:

deadman
April 20th, 2007, 05:20 AM
I doubt that the ascended ancients would be that shortsighted as to let the Ori get so powerful that they would destroy them, plus you are forgetting about THE OTHERS...

TheUnknown
April 20th, 2007, 02:48 PM
I doubt that the ascended ancients would be that shortsighted as to let the Ori get so powerful that they would destroy them, plus you are forgetting about THE OTHERS...

The Ancients are the others.

ACharmedAsgard
April 20th, 2007, 03:47 PM
The Ascended aren't all Ancients remember

Ehecatl
April 20th, 2007, 06:49 PM
The two movies will decide the fate of the Ori.
Maybe her ship is the Tria or its another battle cuiser fully upgraded with Asgard tech from the database.

Prior_of_the_Ori
April 21st, 2007, 03:48 AM
Actually, the first movie deals with the Ori the second one is a completely different story or at least thats what I last heard.

jenks
April 21st, 2007, 07:56 AM
The Ancients are the others.

Not all of the Others are Ancients.

TheUnknown
April 21st, 2007, 11:12 AM
Not all of the Others are Ancients.

Most of them are, though. The Ancients created human life in this galaxy, and none that I can recall have naturally gotten even close to ascension. The Ancients would be the majority of ascended beings in the Milky Way/Pegasus Galaxy.

Besides, Daniel himself says that the Others are the Ancients.

lightstorm
April 21st, 2007, 03:04 PM
I think we can assume that by the time the others decided the Ori were enough of a threat the Milky Way would already be toast.

Prometheus_Pilot
April 22nd, 2007, 06:03 AM
If Carter comes in her new ship wouldn't that be equiped with all there new tech and so wouldnt that mean that the Ori would be able to follow them? I mean thats a whole new Galexy for the Ori to infest.

What I don't understand is why the Ori didn't know about the Atlantis galaxy? the milky way asended beings couldn't have shielded them from every inhabited galaxy but their own, could they? The more you think about it the more you know Vala and Daniel really did stick their foot in it going to the Ori Galaxy

Mitchell82
April 22nd, 2007, 08:36 AM
As much as I love the Ori I don't want them in Pegasus.

garhkal
April 22nd, 2007, 10:17 AM
What I don't understand is why the Ori didn't know about the Atlantis galaxy? the milky way asended beings couldn't have shielded them from every inhabited galaxy but their own, could they? The more you think about it the more you know Vala and Daniel really did stick their foot in it going to the Ori Galaxy

Perhaps they only 'scanned their minds' about earth/mw, when daniel was mentioning they were from there... Not a deep enough scan to get info on the pg, or the atlantis expidition..