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mouse
March 29th, 2007, 09:40 AM
im wondering why does the puddle jumper don't have any shields like the orion ?

Halzman
March 29th, 2007, 09:55 AM
im wondering why does the puddle jumper don't have any shields like the orion ?

The ship is equipped with a cloaking generator. However, it has been shown that the jumpers cloak generator can be turned into a sheild, however, the sheilds power is limited as shown in 'Grace Under Pressure' and ' Echoes'.

The cloak doesnt seem to draw any extra power during its use, whereas a shields power requirments are dependant on how much force is exserted on it, and given that a jumpers power source can be drained, as seen in 'Grace Under Pressure', it probably made more sense for the ancients to build the jumpers with just cloaking technology.

Varrok
March 29th, 2007, 11:45 AM
True, the generators that create shields can create cloakingfields aswell. Atlantis can cloak for example. The thing is, cloaks can be turned on almost indefinately because they don't have to resist anything like weaponsfire or tons of water excerting force. The Daedalus for example would also lose shieldstrength underwater (would be cool to see btw). Atlantis when submerged also depletes from its ZPM.

wise one
March 29th, 2007, 12:00 PM
also the shield generator on a aroura class ship would be far more bigger than a puddle jumper(i think) and like other mentioned power would be a issue

puddle jumpers were mainlt science vessels and maybe it only had a cloak to observe things since the ancients came to the pegasus galaxy un-inhabited
and it would of been the same for the milkyway when they first left to escape the ori.

Varrok
March 29th, 2007, 12:53 PM
The jumpers do indeed make beautifull research craft. It would be cool to see jumpers being used that way, to research things in the field.

apollo22
March 29th, 2007, 02:05 PM
it would be cool to see a different variation of the jumper. a recon or longer range craft. maybe a jumper that is longer and a bit sleeker. because if they need to far out in the galaxy, they cant necesaily take a gate because there may not be one within distance. otherwise we have to depend on the daedalus to get there

marty2006
April 6th, 2007, 04:28 PM
There was no need for them to have shields im guessing they were used to keep an eye on the civilisations of humans across the galaxy without being noticed. Also there is a limit to what can be put into them seeing as they have to fit through the gate

monkey_man132
April 6th, 2007, 06:41 PM
im wondering why does the puddle jumper don't have any shields like the orion ?I think you all answered his question and them some.:lol:

Ehecatl
April 7th, 2007, 10:20 AM
The puddle jumpers didn't have shields originally. McKay was able to adapt the cloak generator to a shield, but it doesn't last near as long as the Orion's because of the power requirements, although it is the same type of shield that Atlantis uses.

.jolinar.
April 9th, 2007, 07:20 AM
Not including the defence satallite, the Ancients had four types of ship: The Puddle Jumper class, The Aurora Class, The City Ship class and the unknown kind seen attacking the Asuran Homeworld.

The City Ship is obvously a residential home. literally a flying city. It isn't meant for battle but obvously as the bulk of the Ancient civilisation lived in these they were very well defended.

The Aurora class and the unknown ship classes are obvously main battle ships. Designed with very powerful shields and weapons these were designed for battle and attack of enemies.

The Puddle Jumper class, is a very small scout and recon ship. It is equiped with a small number of drone weapons only for self defence. It is equiped with a cloak because as a recon ship it needs to get close to its target undetected. as it is not meant for battle it is not equiped with a large number of drones and powerful shields. It's cloak can be swiched out for a shield for emergencies.

SaberBlade
April 9th, 2007, 08:48 AM
I thought the ships attacking Asuran city were the Aurora class.

They looked like it to me.

.jolinar.
April 10th, 2007, 05:48 AM
I thought the ships attacking Asuran city were the Aurora class.

They looked like it to me.

Most of those ships were Aurora-Class ships but there were a few unidentified battle ships. Similar in size & shape but they were diffrent. thats the only time we've seen them though so they may all be destroyed or we may never see them again.

Cban
April 10th, 2007, 08:04 AM
Most of those ships were Aurora-Class ships but there were a few unidentified battle ships. Similar in size & shape but they were diffrent. thats the only time we've seen them though so they may all be destroyed or we may never see them again.

there are lots of places those shiops could b hiding there is an entire galaxy to hide in

.jolinar.
April 10th, 2007, 08:21 AM
Yes but relatively speaking the Pegasus Galaxy is small. At least in comparason to the Milky way. And it's not a good idea to leave ships lying about. The Aurora had a crew, the Orion was parked at an Ancient outpost & the Tria also had a crew.

Cban
April 10th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Yes but relatively speaking the Pegasus Galaxy is small. At least in comparason to the Milky way. And it's not a good idea to leave ships lying about. The Aurora had a crew, the Orion was parked at an Ancient outpost & the Tria also had a crew.

yes but the tria DID have a crew and is now abandoned i dont see why there is not other abandoned ships out there just waiting for some one to fix them and geting them fighting fit

.jolinar.
April 11th, 2007, 09:19 AM
When we found the Tria it had a crew of about twenty Ancients then they were killed by the Asurans after they took back Atlantis. For that matter, does anyone know what happened to the Tria? I heard that the Asurans dismantled it or something? I'm assuming that the Daedalus towed the Tria through hyperspace to the orbit of Lantia

Cban
April 11th, 2007, 01:04 PM
When we found the Tria it had a crew of about twenty Ancients then they were killed by the Asurans after they took back Atlantis. For that matter, does anyone know what happened to the Tria? I heard that the Asurans dismantled it or something? I'm assuming that the Daedalus towed the Tria through hyperspace to the orbit of Lantia

i think its just stuck there in the void the ancients were brought by the dedalus thus why i think they beamed down i think i canremember the episode well

marty2006
April 11th, 2007, 03:43 PM
If it was just left it is well worth going back to.

Cory Holmes
April 11th, 2007, 06:08 PM
im wondering why does the puddle jumper don't have any shields like the orion ?

Why doesn't an F1 racer come with four-wheel drive? Why don't civilian aircraft come with air-to-air missles or afterburners? Why do some vehicles come with two wheels and others four?

The Ancients designed their vehicles with a specific purpose and were imaginative enough to think of new ways to use them. For all their brilliance and skill, the Ancients were definitly lacking any sort of real creativity and inititive.

123NotIt
April 11th, 2007, 06:39 PM
When we found the Tria it had a crew of about twenty Ancients then they were killed by the Asurans after they took back Atlantis. For that matter, does anyone know what happened to the Tria? I heard that the Asurans dismantled it or something? I'm assuming that the Daedalus towed the Tria through hyperspace to the orbit of Lantia

they never said what happened to the Tria, so it should still be stuck in the void near the Midway Station. Unlike Asgard vessels, the Daedalus has never been demonstrated to have a tractor beam or some other means of towing another vessel through hyperspace. 302s have the ability to attach themselves to ships and other things, but never seen the 304s do that.

as for going back to get it...oh yeah, they should.

.jolinar.
April 12th, 2007, 05:17 AM
Well if it's still there they should certainly go salvage it. Aside from the hyperdrive it should be in perfect working order. we could even just take along a spare hyperdrive, fit it, then fly it back to Atlantis.

Also now we have all the knowledge of the Asgard I doubt it would take too long to fit our ships with a tractor beam.

123NotIt
April 12th, 2007, 08:09 AM
since carrying along a hyperdrive to install would probably be difficult, i'd probably just go with retrofitting a tractor beam to one of our ships and towing it home. we don't know if our hyperdrives would work in an aurora class ship, and we don't have the knowledge probably to design one for it. we might have the basic knowledge of how to build a hyperdrive, but building one that will interface with the ancient systems already installed on the Tria could prove problematic.

.jolinar.
April 13th, 2007, 07:17 AM
It's not that hard for us to interface with alien technology anymore. McKay would be able to do it with a few of hours.

wise one
April 13th, 2007, 07:34 AM
It's not that hard for us to interface with alien technology anymore. McKay would be able to do it with a few of hours.

ur right maybe in a few hours depending if sheppard holds a lemon to his face

garhkal
April 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
ur right maybe in a few hours depending if sheppard holds a lemon to his face

Actually that was mitchell who held the lemon..