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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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When the Doctor and Martha arrive on board a ship falling into a star and are cut off from the TARDIS, and must race against time to help the crew save the ship -- and avoid a murderous entity that has possessed one of their own.

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Madeleine
May 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM
I liked this one. Quite strange to see the Doctor scared (frightenedas opposed to just worried that the enemy will defeat him); I can't remember that happenning before.

Michelle Collins was good, so were all the rest of the crew. Martha's Mum's a cool baddie :D.

For once I was less scared of the ep than were my young sons :)

Hulabaloo
May 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM
That was a good ep. A really good ep. I was biting my nails near the end. :)
Although, Martha's mum just annoys me. :P

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 19th, 2007, 12:39 PM
Good ep overall, although I liked the last one more. The scenes featuring or that mention Mr Saxon keep getting more and more interesting - and next weeks looks good. I'm guessing he loses his memory or something, it looks fun. :D Can't wait.

Missster.Freeman
May 19th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Yep, I liked this week's episode even though it was in the familiar setting on a spaceship with the crew being picked off one by one. The Sun as-a-living-organism was quite a cool concept. Don't think I've seen that one before.

Martha's mum in league with the bad guys, eh? I guess she has no idea of who she is really dealing with. I think she is just being a worried mum trying to protect her daughter.

Did the episode run exactly to the minute? Every update during the countdown to final impact seemed like we were watching in real-time.

And I see Martha was given a (the?) key to the door. Can't wait for more Saxon stuff. :D

Flyboy
May 19th, 2007, 12:42 PM
That was a good ep. A really good ep. I was biting my nails near the end. :)
Although, Martha's mum just annoys me. :P
I'd prefer to see an annoyed dad instead this time...

dipsofjazz
May 19th, 2007, 02:38 PM
That was a good ep. A really good ep. I was biting my nails near the end. :)
Although, Martha's mum just annoys me. :P

Yes, Martha's mum annoys me too.
I enjoyed this episode, and felt the tension as the time was running out. I thought that was a good idea.
I liked Martha finally getting a key for the Tardis, making her officially The Doctor's companion. :D

Matt G
May 19th, 2007, 02:57 PM
1. OK, now we know that RTD is a 24 fan!

2. The glowing eyes were slightly Goa'uldish but the 'living sun' idea is at least original!

3. Having said that, come on Doctor, by all rights a sun shouldn't 'be' alive so it would not be normal procedure to scan for life!

4. How the hell to Saxon suck Martha's Mum in so easily to his orbit! Or was she part of his crew beforehand?

Overall, Who attempts 24, comes accross as slightly cliched but still OK.

the_fours
May 19th, 2007, 03:18 PM
4. How the hell to Saxon suck Martha's Mum in so easily to his orbit! Or was she part of his crew beforehand?

OK.

I did love this epiodes kept you on the edge all the way through, though im a Whovian so im proud to admit i dont have an objective judgement. :D

24 bores me, the concept in individual eps such as this one, and atlantis's 38 minutes works because its just the one ep doing it, not the whole series.

As for your comment, Martha's mum has only heard Saxon's side of the story, not once has she asked Martha about who the Doctor really is.

ShadowMaat
May 19th, 2007, 06:29 PM
2. The glowing eyes were slightly Goa'uldish but the 'living sun' idea is at least original!
I saw nothing even remotely Goa'uld-like about the eyes. What I was thinking was that it reminded me of the heart of the TARDIS.

And I've seen the "sun as an entity" idea once or twice before (Andromeda being one) but it still scores points for little used concepts and I don't know that I've ever seen a sun actually possess someone before.

The science geek in me is pulling her hair out over the niggly little things that couldn't/shouldn't have happened and it was a little overly reminiscent of Impossible Planet/Satan Pit at times (especially The Voice), but I still liked more than I hated.

Also, having proudly never seen a single ep of 24 I can't draw any comparisons to it. ;) I kept waiting for HHG references. :P

jonno
May 19th, 2007, 07:44 PM
The science geek in me is pulling her hair out over the niggly little things that couldn't/shouldn't have happened and it was a little overly reminiscent of Impossible Planet/Satan Pit at times (especially The Voice), but I still liked more than I hated.

Yes, that similarity annoyed me a bit too ... i guess it was because the set looked similar, and 'being stuck on a ship/station whilst spiralling to certain doom' was the crux behind that one too ...

Oh, and yay that it wasn't Earth's star system sun.

Overall - pretty good ... but i've enjoyed others quite a bit more for some reason.

ShadowMaat
May 19th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Overall - pretty good ... but i've enjoyed others quite a bit more for some reason.

Other eps were more fun and had better-paced, believable drama. ;) Just my opinion, of course. 42's okay, but in the annals of Who-dom (Whoville?) I think it'll ultimately go down as a "meh." I'd pick it over Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her, though.

jonno
May 19th, 2007, 08:49 PM
Other eps were more fun and had better-paced, believable drama. ;) Just my opinion, of course. 42's okay, but in the annals of Who-dom (Whoville?) I think it'll ultimately go down as a "meh." I'd pick it over Idiot's Lantern and Fear Her, though.

Ah yes. I knew there was a reason in there somewhere :p

Willow'sCat
May 19th, 2007, 09:23 PM
I saw nothing even remotely Goa'uld-like about the eyes. What I was thinking was that it reminded me of the heart of the TARDIS.Hmm, wasn't that more a mouth thing? :D And it is not new or clever to have glowy eyes... Village of the Damned! ;)


The science geek in me is pulling her hair out over the niggly little things that couldn't/shouldn't have happened and it was a little overly reminiscent of Impossible Planet/Satan Pit at times (especially The Voice), but I still liked more than I hated.I have to say I did keep thinking this was too much like Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit. Even the jettisoning of the people was not new (although we were saved the music this time around).

This was nothing like 24, well except they had a count down, but again nothing new in that loads of show and movies use that as a plot device. :rolleyes:

I hate Martha's mother! Starts with b ends in h. :cool: I want Jackie back! :D

I see a little RTDs gay agenda still at work. :D Aw, and The Doctor is really quick to give those keys out these days ain't he? :cool:

Next week....

looks interesting, what's did he say when he was reading the paper? Was it English? Was it a real word? Corn people... weird. :S :D

ShadowMaat
May 19th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Hmm, wasn't that more a mouth thing? :D And it is not new or clever to have glowy eyes... Village of the Damned! ;)
Nope, definitely the eyes.

Glowy eyes (http://ninthdoctor.time-and-space.co.uk/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=279) (even the pupils look a bit funny, as they did this time around)

Transferred through the eyes, too (http://ninthdoctor.time-and-space.co.uk/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=427) (methinks the kiss was just an excuse :P)

Anyway, I don't think anyone ever said the glowy eye thing was original. It has shown up in a lot of places over the years. But the glowing-to-the-point-of-leakage effect reminds me most of Parting of the Ways because, well, it's Doctor Who. Don't have to look for outside references. ;)

Willow'sCat
May 19th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Nope, definitely the eyes.

Glowy eyes (http://ninthdoctor.time-and-space.co.uk/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=279) (even the pupils look a bit funny, as they did this time around)

Transferred through the eyes, too (http://ninthdoctor.time-and-space.co.uk/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=427) (methinks the kiss was just an excuse :P)LOL! I could have sworn it was the mouth. Maybe her bad acting in that scene threw me off. (Sorry but I didn't like Billie in that scene) And by then I don't think they needed an excuse.


Anyway, I don't think anyone ever said the glowy eye thing was original.Well...


2. The glowing eyes were slightly Goa'uldish but the 'living sun' idea is at least original!

I took that to mean Stargate did it (originally) and Doctor Who was ripping it off... maybe I am a little touchy when it comes to the whole Stargate v Doctor Who thing these days. :cool:

Madeleine
May 19th, 2007, 10:41 PM
I have to say I did keep thinking this was too much like Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit. Even the jettisoning of the people was not new (although we were saved the music this time around).

I liked the silence in that scene. I don't think silence is used enough on television.

Commander Ivanova
May 20th, 2007, 12:32 AM
On the sun-as-entity thing, didn't surprise me but that's possibly because I watched Solaris recently, in which a space station orbits a mysterious planet that may or may not be sentient. Anyway, that's by the by.

I noticed RTD's little 'gay agenda' as Willow puts it, dropped in quite casually, blink and you'd miss it!

This was ok as an ep. Plenty of bits bugged me, bad guys stomping around in masks gets old pretty quickly, Doc and Martha mouthing frantically at each other for ages thru' the portholes instead of getting on with the plot. At least the shipping wasn't overdone this week.

Michelle Collins was ok, but still find myself expecting to see Ian Beale trailing after her. Not her fault, poor love.

Elinor
May 20th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Overall, Who attempts 24, comes accross as slightly cliched but still OK.

Heh! Now I was thinking that it was "Stargatey" again! Reminded me of the title 'Thirty-eight minutes'...'42' (minutes) until they crash into the sun!

Anyway, that was such a fast paced episode I was out of breath at the end. Really fun!

The poor Dr. is getting regular amounts of a good whumping isn't he? Doesn't look like it lets up in the next story either!!

:)

Reefgirl
May 20th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Previously on Dr Who...

*Ahem* now I've got that out of my system

Well the writer has obviously been watching 24 (Ticking clock, Doctor being the only one who can save the day and getting whumped) X Men (Helmets protecting glowing eyes that kill people) and Alien (Sweaty women in vests and crew getting picked of one by one by things unknown) the living sun thing was a good idea but I've seen everything else before, and was it me or did the ship look like a turkey?. Overall it was a good episode, it had a few gripping moments but it was hard to lose yourself in it and willingly suspend your belief because you were waiting for either Jack Bauer, Ripley or Prof X to show up next.

A little disappointing for lack of originality, as for Mr Saxon's Person's in Black and Martha's mum, they're obviously feeding her fear about the Doctor so she's willingly helping them because she's worried about her daughter.
Next week's looks fun

Naonak
May 20th, 2007, 05:09 AM
I thought this was a really good episode. Very fast-paced and tense.

I really liked that they'd set the security questions when they were drunk. "What's your favourite colour?" :D

The possessed guys were very creepy.

The scene wear the escape pod gets jettisoned was fantastic. The silence was really cool and dramatic.

I personally didn't think of Impossible Planet - I suppose there was some similarity in the "hurtling towards doom" bit, but everything else was pretty different, IMO.

8/10

(God, the season finale better be good - all this Mr Saxon stuff has been great - very mysterious)

Pitry
May 20th, 2007, 05:12 AM
Well, I really enjoyed this one :P After this and Life on MArs t does kinda prove Torchwood's problem isn't Chibnall, it's Torchwood.

Yeah, it reminded a bit of the Impossible Planet/ Satan Pit, but somewhere in a way I think it was supposed to. Not ust the situation/ sets but the Doctor encountering something he has a problem dealing with (Satan in Satan Pit and here admitting he's scared) and the "losing a companion" scenario that really played at thee nd, well, that's the way I understood it.

What I am worried is the ebginning of name-dropping the regeneration. I so hope this isn't going to go in hat path. :(

Alipeeps
May 20th, 2007, 05:32 AM
I liked this one. Quite strange to see the Doctor scared (frightenedas opposed to just worried that the enemy will defeat him); I can't remember that happenning before.

Michelle Collins was good, so were all the rest of the crew. Martha's Mum's a cool baddie :D.

For once I was less scared of the ep than were my young sons :)

I really enjoyed this one. I agree I don't think we've ever seen the Dr scared before, or at least not admitting to it. He thinks nothing of risking his life to save others but this really scared him.. and not just because he was losing himself but because he knew he would end up killing everyone on board. He was scared of becoming that - of killing Martha. Awesome stuff.

Have to admit I didn't recognise Michelle Collins at all until seeing her name in here.. I was like, "Oh yeah! So it was!" :lol:



Anyway, that was such a fast paced episode I was out of breath at the end. Really fun!

The poor Dr. is getting regular amounts of a good whumping isn't he? Doesn't look like it lets up in the next story either!!

:)

I think they certainly did a good job of building up tension in this ep. I found myself almost urging the characters aloud to run faster, get a move on, you don't have *time* for this! :D

Oh and RTD is a whumper - and I love him for it! :D Seriously, this has to be the whumpiest season yet? No complaints from this quarter! :D

DT does whump ever so well, both physically and emotionally. One moment I adored was in the medlab when Martha was trying to look through the instructions for the stasis chamber and the Dr, not daring to open his eyes, reached out for her blindly, calling her name. That was a lovely moment.. whether you're into shipping or not. She was his only connection, the only thing groudning him and he was trying so hard to hold on.. just fab! :D


What I am worried is the ebginning of name-dropping the regeneration. I so hope this isn't going to go in hat path. :(

I actually rather liked that.. I think it shows how the Dr has grown and learnt from his time with Rose etc... his regeneration freaked Rose out and when he thought he might be dying again, he didn't want to put another companion through that, he tried to warn Martha. I thought that was a nice touch.

All in all.. a very enjoyable ep. Good guest cast and some real tension and atmosphere.

Reefgirl
May 20th, 2007, 05:47 AM
The scene wear the escape pod gets jettisoned was fantastic. The silence was really cool and dramatic.
That was very well done, the silence added a little something else to the whole essence of it, dramatic music would have ruined that scene

ShadowMaat
May 20th, 2007, 11:55 AM
I took that to mean Stargate did it (originally) and Doctor Who was ripping it off... maybe I am a little touchy when it comes to the whole Stargate v Doctor Who thing these days. :cool:

Could be. I just took it to mean that the glowy eyes thing had been done before whereas the "living sun" was a bit more original. Or at least it hadn't been done on Stargate. ;)

I know what you mean about the Stargate/Doctor Who thing, though. I get a bit tired of people trying to find connections and saying that such-and-such is a reference to Stargate and something-or-other was done on Stargate first and Stargate this and Stargate that and blah blah blah Stargate. Of course, this folder is on a Stargate forum so I suppose it's only natural that everything gets compared to it, but sometimes the "connections" seem like such a stretch I wonder why people bother. "OMG! He arched his eyebrow! Just like Teal'c!" :rolleyes:

I personally don't see the glowing eyes as remotely Goa'uld-like because a host's eyes only glow for a second or two whereas those infected by the sun had eyes that glowed constantly and the light was so fierce that it not only obscured the iris completely but also seemed to be leaking out. Which is also how it looked when Rose absorbed the heart of the TARDIS. Haven't seen Children of the Damned, so I can't compare, but I think I've probably seen the glowy eye effect elsewhere, too, Parting of the Ways is simply the one that springs immediately to my mind and seems the most relevant. I actually wondered if there was some connection between the sun (or suns, I suppose) and the TARDIS.

And since the solar scoops (whatever they were called) were eventually outlawed, did it have anything to do with the discovery that some(?) suns were alive, or was it more of a health factor thing? Although I should think that being hunted down by an angry sun-being would be pretty hazardous to your health. ;)

Although... for all that I'm whinging about drawing too many comparisons between shows, there was one point towards the end where I thought the musical score sounded a bit Robin Hoody. Made me wonder if one of the guest actors was from that show. After che4cking IMDB, though, I decided it was just generic actiony music and if it sounded like Robin Hood it was only because that show also uses generic actiony music. :P

pbellosom
May 20th, 2007, 12:38 PM
I liked this one. Quite strange to see the Doctor scared (frightenedas opposed to just worried that the enemy will defeat him); I can't remember that happenning before.

I was thinking that, David Tennant did really good acting in that scene.




I actually rather liked that.. I think it shows how the Dr has grown and learnt from his time with Rose etc... his regeneration freaked Rose out and when he thought he might be dying again, he didn't want to put another companion through that, he tried to warn Martha. I thought that was a nice touch.


Wasn't what he using the same words he used when he tried to teach Rose about regeneration?


The science geek in me is pulling her hair out over the niggly little things that couldn't/shouldn't have happened and it was a little overly reminiscent of Impossible Planet/Satan Pit at times (especially The Voice), but I still liked more than I hated.


Yeah, I felt that too not due to sound and plot but visually it looked very similar.

Still bugging me that in neither of those episodes the people don't explode when exposed to te vacuum of space but then Red Dwarf is the only incident I remember when they actually showed that, man it was a good effect.



I noticed RTD's little 'gay agenda' as Willow puts it, dropped in quite casually, blink and you'd miss it!



I did. Could someone explain it please.

In the scenes with Martha's mum, was that the daughter from My Family working for Saxon.
Spoilers for season finale,
I now think its pretty much definate that telling Mrs Jones about the Doctor last episode was the settting of the trap.

Missster.Freeman
May 20th, 2007, 12:54 PM
I noticed RTD's little 'gay agenda' as Willow puts it, dropped in quite casually, blink and you'd miss it!I missed that bit as well. Unless, it was when Martha and Riley were trapped in the escape capsule and she asked him if he had a girlfriend. Or a boyfriend. Was that it? Maybe it was something even more subtle than that.

beale947
May 20th, 2007, 12:58 PM
Very good, fast paced episode.

The silence, where the escape pod was jetisonned was perfect for that scene.

8/10

P.S. Now Mr Saxon is starting to close the trap. But how was tracing the call suppost to help when your in the future on the other side of the universe:P

ShadowMaat
May 20th, 2007, 01:26 PM
I wouldn't have called the "Or boyfriend?" thing part of any "gay agenda." In this day and age I think it'd be part of a standard line of inquiry, generally of the friendly, half-kidding variety.

Hulabaloo
May 20th, 2007, 02:50 PM
But how was tracing the call suppost to help when your in the future on the other side of the universe:P

Lol, I thought that. I sat there thinking, Hah! When you can't trace that call, you'll realise that..., Hmmm. What would they realise?

ShadowMaat
May 20th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Since they're Saxon's people and since Saxon knows who and what the Doctor is I figured that he had some way of tracing the call to wherever and whenever the Doctor was. Or maybe they just keep checking until they can get an actual reading and let Saxon know that he's in the neighborhood.

Matt G
May 20th, 2007, 04:16 PM
I can't blame the Doctor for being scared. Has he ever been posessed in that fashion before?

Shipperahoy
May 20th, 2007, 07:07 PM
I really liked it. More than the last couple eps but not as good as the first two of the season IMO. I actually really liked Martha and that engineering kid. He was a cutie. Plus there was a lack of her mooning over the Doctor. The next one looks like a trip though. Mads, I think you'll be back to hiding your eyes while your kids tell you to suck it up and stop acting like a baby. ;)

Taonas
May 20th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Still bugging me that in neither of those episodes the people don't explode when exposed to te vacuum of space but then Red Dwarf is the only incident I remember when they actually showed that, man it was a good effect.
An interesting thing is that a human being would not explode after being shoved into a vacuum, at least not right away. To give an example, there is an episode of "Battlestar Galactica" that does a great job of showing the short term effects of unprotected space exposure. That episode being "A Day in the Life".

A human being can survive for close to a minute in a vacuum (though no one has put this to the test). They would be in horrible shape and probably would not survive for long unless given immediate medical attention, but they would be alive.

In this case they were more likely to have incinerated than explode.

Commander Ivanova
May 21st, 2007, 02:23 AM
I missed that bit as well. Unless, it was when Martha and Riley were trapped in the escape capsule and she asked him if he had a girlfriend. Or a boyfriend. Was that it? Maybe it was something even more subtle than that.

No, that was it. Not a huge thing, just a tiny acknowledgement of the possibility of same-sex relationships, pretty much on a par with the one in Shep and Ronon's dating discussion. Which was a whole bigger deal in the Stargate universe than in the RTD universe where Captain Jack is routinely snogging anything in trousers.

Anyway, another thing that bugged me about this episode of Who was the total irrelevance of the countdown to impact. Shields or no shields, they'd've been fried to a crisp long before they actually impacted.
And Michelle and her hubby should've combusted the second they exited the ship. Ooh, I love a good nit-pick.

Reefgirl
May 21st, 2007, 03:48 AM
IMHO when the writing gets this bad the show is in it's death throws (which i sincerely hope isn't the case) because the writers just dont care anymore, we saw it with S10 of SG-1, S3 of Atlantis and S7,8 and 9 of X Files. If this isn't the case RTD needs to seriously think about getting a new crew of writers in to save it from that awful fate of "I only tune in these days to see if it's getting better"

the_fours
May 21st, 2007, 04:08 AM
This isnt the worst episode, IMHO i thought that was Love & Monsters. Anyway not every episode can be perfect. I imagine it gets difficult constantly trying to top the episode that was on the previous week. Anyway I think all the best ones are the 2-parters.

42 is what i would call an average show which did its job and kept you entertained.

Flyboy
May 21st, 2007, 04:36 AM
I agree. Now, a truely DISMAL episode would be "Fear Her".

Reefgirl
May 21st, 2007, 04:48 AM
No, truly dreadful "What the hell were they thinking" episodes was Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks they were toe curling

Commander Ivanova
May 21st, 2007, 05:36 AM
No, truly dreadful "What the hell were they thinking" episodes was Daleks in Manhatten/Evolution of the Daleks they were toe curling

I'm still having physio on my poor tootsies! Verily, they were the worst eps so far.

Alipeeps
May 21st, 2007, 06:09 AM
Anyway, another thing that bugged me about this episode of Who was the total irrelevance of the countdown to impact. Shields or no shields, they'd've been fried to a crisp long before they actually impacted.
And Michelle and her hubby should've combusted the second they exited the ship. Ooh, I love a good nit-pick.

Yeah that did occur to me too... and it's not just the heat that would kill em... so unless those heat shields that were "going to fail any minute" also blocked radiation, they'd be dead anyway! There's no way, if you ship is on a collision course with a sun, that it's the impact that kills you! :lol:

However, a couple of minor plot niggles aside, I really enjoyed this episode. I don't think the writing this series has been indicative of the show being in its "death throes"... most of the episodes have been very good, with some outstanding ones. The Dalek's eps were the only ones that I was *meh* about... they just didn't have any real tension for me at all. I can live with minor niggles in an otherwise good episode... :D

DigiFluid
May 21st, 2007, 12:26 PM
I see a little RTDs gay agenda still at work. :D

I don't really see how asking if someone has a girlfriend or boyfriend is a "gay agenda". More of a standard icebreaking question.

ShadowMaat
May 21st, 2007, 01:41 PM
I don't really see how asking if someone has a girlfriend or boyfriend is a "gay agenda". More of a standard icebreaking question.
It's as much a part of a "gay agenda" as Tinky Winky and his/its purse. :P

Pitry
May 21st, 2007, 03:07 PM
Oy, the "gay agenda" stuff has found its way in here, too? Sigh.

Y'know, if throwing these comments every couple of episodes/have a character like Jack would teach 8 year olds that it's perfectly alright to have a different sexual orientation, than damnit, I'm all for it. If the writers and staff of Doctor Who manage to fight homophobia as well as make a great television show, then all the more kudos for them.

As for the shields, I read it as X minues til shield failure and then we burn down to crisps, not actual impact.... I think thehy used the word "impact" cos it creates more suspence. Creative license? ;)

Madeleine
May 22nd, 2007, 04:07 AM
I took 'impact' to mean entering the coronosphere. Before that point the shields would only have to cope with radiated heat in the vacuum of space, but on entry of the coronosphere there would also have been conductive heat from the actual hot gasses touching the ship; I doubt the shields were designed to cope with conductive heat.

Reefgirl
May 22nd, 2007, 07:18 AM
I took 'impact' to mean entering the coronosphere. Before that point the shields would only have to cope with radiated heat in the vacuum of space, but on entry of the coronosphere there would also have been conductive heat from the actual hot gasses touching the ship; I doubt the shields were designed to cope with conductive heat.

But if the shield had been adapted by the crew to withstand heat. Didn't Cindy McDonnell admit she'd taken bits of the sun to use as fuel before

Madeleine
May 22nd, 2007, 10:02 AM
Maybe the scoop part of the ship, or a special 'hoover', or a drone vehicle that did the collecting, or something could withstand the touch of the hot gas, but the shields of the ship itself seemed to be struggling just by being too close.

MechaThor
May 23rd, 2007, 05:10 AM
BURN WITH ME!


lol classic. Gd episode. I can feel DR Who is building up 2 something BIG

lord-anubis
May 24th, 2007, 10:56 AM
this is probly the frist ep sents love and monsters that i really wasent that into. i don't think its was bad but i probly won't be rushing to see it any time soon.

MagnoliaAnaglypta
June 14th, 2007, 02:20 PM
DT does whump ever so well, both physically and emotionally. One moment I adored was in the medlab when Martha was trying to look through the instructions for the stasis chamber and the Dr, not daring to open his eyes, reached out for her blindly, calling her name. That was a lovely moment.. whether you're into shipping or not. She was his only connection, the only thing groudning him and he was trying so hard to hold on.. just fab! :D




Oh yes! Someone, I think on another board, mentioned a while back that the 10th Doctor appears to be a pain-fetishist's dream, and I think he/she has a point! Not complaining! I think we're lucky that we've got a good enough actor in the role for him to be confident to go for it when it's written, and one that's apparently good tempered enough to put up with any extreme that's been written for him - 'just stand here for the third time, David, while we dump several hundred gallons of cold water all over you...' 'just give us another five minutes of screaming, will you David...?' Etc etc....(I get the impression from the confidentials that he actually rather enjoys it - bless him). And as for the sheer emotional content of some of the stuff he's been delivering right from the start, just excellent.

I've never been of the school of thought that believes that the Doctor should be a virtually omnipotent being who always comes in and saves the day - I find exploring vulnarabilities, physical, emotional, and mental, to be much more interesting and inherantly much more attractive to the character.

in circles
June 22nd, 2007, 08:23 AM
This episode had its moments but it reminded me a bit too much of Sunshine. For a while I was convinced they'd decided to kill of Martha, sort of wish they'd had the balls to do it.

Alipeeps
June 22nd, 2007, 11:26 AM
This episode had its moments but it reminded me a bit too much of Sunshine. For a while I was convinced they'd decided to kill of Martha, sort of wish they'd had the balls to do it.

Haven't seen sunshine so I didn't have that frame of reference...

Trek_Girl42
August 6th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Good ep! Not one of the best, but good. LOVED the silence when the pod ejected. That was really effective. And I don't see how the glowing eyes should draw any comparision to Stargate, loads of shows and films have had glowing eyes. :rolleyes:

And Martha's Mum.....REALLY annoying (that's good), the Saxon plot is boiling..... :D




And I was rather annoyed when the CBC contest word thing on the bottom of the screen was "Captain Jack"- what are they doing? Trying to tease us for.....four more weeks til he's back? :P

MmmmMcKAy
August 7th, 2007, 05:53 AM
Enjoyable episode. It was certainly almost non stop action.:)

I can't stand Martha's mum. I know she's worried about her daughter, but tracing her calls(good luck with that;)) and working with the mysterious people in suits is a bit much. Wonder what they are up to?

Martha got a key to The Tardis.:)

Easter Lily
August 10th, 2007, 12:13 AM
Haven't seen sunshine so I didn't have that frame of reference...

Hadn't seen Sunshine either...
But it reminded me of Solaris and it didn't bother me too much.

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 11:37 AM
And since the solar scoops (whatever they were called) were eventually outlawed, did it have anything to do with the discovery that some(?) suns were alive, or was it more of a health factor thing? Although I should think that being hunted down by an angry sun-being would be pretty hazardous to your health. ;)

Yeah, I'm not really sure how I feel about not knowing. It's kind of nice wondering if it's outlawed because of a similar incident somewhere. But thinking about it brings up the question of just how sun scooping is *done*, which annoys me. In the classic series we'd have been given a quick conceptual explanation from which to extrapolate.

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 11:42 AM
Since they're Saxon's people and since Saxon knows who and what the Doctor is I figured that he had some way of tracing the call to wherever and whenever the Doctor was. Or maybe they just keep checking until they can get an actual reading and let Saxon know that he's in the neighborhood.

I was thinking the latter. But really, it all just might be window dressing to throw Francine Jones into such a tizzy that she'll inform the nice people in black the instant she hears *anything* about Martha or the Doctor.

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 11:51 AM
I can't blame the Doctor for being scared. Has he ever been posessed in that fashion before?

"The Invisible Enemy" has a lot of similarity. Others: "Pyramids of Mars". "Arc of Infinity" for a rather different agenda than the usual. "The Ark in Space", sort of. "The Edge of Destruction", I think?

Hey, that's it! That's what "42" reminds me of: "Planet of Evil", glowing eyes, unable to escape a planet because someone has stolen a means of energy production from it....

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 11:56 AM
I actually really liked Martha and that engineering kid. He was a cutie.

He had the energy you need to stand out in a Doctor Who episode. Kudos to the casting director! And probably the director as well.

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 12:02 PM
And I don't see how the glowing eyes should draw any comparision to Stargate, loads of shows and films have had glowing eyes. :rolleyes:

Star Trek, the second pilot episode for goodness sake! --"Where No Man Has Gone Before"

Wordsmit2
August 18th, 2007, 12:09 PM
I can't stand Martha's mum.

Ditto. This series treats the main character women so badly. They're all goddesses and b*****s, or however that saying goes, and their whole reason for being is finding a man. (Now *there's* a "gay agenda" for you.)

I was thrilled that Martha was a medical student, but when was the last time she breathed a word concerning medicine or exobiology or science or...? C'mon, *real* medical students live and breathe it!

creed462
August 18th, 2007, 03:01 PM
I liked this one. Quite strange to see the Doctor scared (frightenedas opposed to just worried that the enemy will defeat him); I can't remember that happenning before.

Michelle Collins was good, so were all the rest of the crew. Martha's Mum's a cool baddie :D.

For once I was less scared of the ep than were my young sons :)

When he fought Setek he was scared

MasySyma
August 18th, 2007, 07:51 PM
Thankfully, this episode was better than Evolution of the Daleks, but not by that much. (Besides what isn't better than that thing.) :)

I suppose countdowns and explosions excite some folks, but I am not one of them. It is rather hard to think "Oh the Doctor might die" when you know that he is in the episode for next week. Perhaps the BBC needs to keep a better handle on the staff change rumors because "Doctor-in-peril" episodes don't work well mid-season otherwise.

I, too, found the Satan's pit recycling obvious and rather annoying. I get that the budget is limited, and I, honestly, don't care when the corridors look the same, because they are corridors; however, I mind when the bridge from SP is the damaged engine, and DT wears the same space suit. It doesn't help that the Doctor lost the Tardis just like he did in SP too. He needs to pick better places to park. :)

If they were going to recycle, I would have preferred a bit more of a mix up. Why can't Martha wear the space suit? I also agree that the sun entity was interesting, but it has been done before. Plus, the sun needed better lines: "Burn with me" sounds like a bad pickup line most days.

I, too, dislike Martha's mother, but it was Martha bothering me this week. I liked when she got stuck in the pod and her role at the end of the episode, but I didn't appreciate her "oh my gosh, I could die speech" since she had one of those a few weeks ago. A woman this smart with her detailed future plans should consider these things. I could understand the first speech because like Rose, she got caught up in events racing around her, but her inability to figure out the risks and rewards is starting to bug me. She's too smart to act this dumb. She didn't even pack any clothes at the end of the last episode. Even Rose got that part right.

A meh episode. 6/10.

mi_guard
September 9th, 2011, 01:28 AM
I rewatched this episode yesterday.

It was really touching to see the doctor being in such a distress, when he screamed "I'm scared. I'm so scared."

maneth
July 17th, 2012, 02:03 AM
Yeah, the best bits about this ep were to see the more human side of the Doctor as well as Martha kicking butt, and of course the name. All references to THHGTTG are good.

maneth
August 29th, 2014, 10:50 AM
Reminded me too much of one of my least favorite movies, Sunshine...