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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
<DIV ALIGN=CENTER><TABLE WIDTH=450 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=7><TR><TD STYLE="border:0;"><DIV ALIGN=LEFT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2 COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s3/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/312.jpg" WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=120 ALIGN=RIGHT HSPACE=10 VSPACE=2 BORDER=0 STYLE="border:1px solid #000;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO SERIES 29</FONT>
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2912</FONT>
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Upon returning to Martha's home, she and the Doctor discover that the escaped evil Time Lord they are seeking is the one person they never suspected.

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Reefgirl
June 23rd, 2007, 01:07 PM
All I can say is Oh Wow, this is the first time I've actually been gripped by Dr Who, I actually put down my knitting for this and those that know me know this is a rarity.

Where do I start, well John Simm looks spookily like Tony Blair when he was younger, it must be the insincere smile and the mad glint in the eye. Can we post a drone to GWB? and I certainly didn't see the end coming, it was edge-of-the-seat stuff for me and our version of The Daedalus to boot and a bit of Gallifrey background. I can't wait until next week to see what happens but I'm frakkin' working, I am so tempted to call in sick. And what's with Mrs Saxon, she's as barking as her old man, what would have been a nice touch was to have had Tony Booth (Cherie Blair's dad) to have had a cameo. Roll on next week

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 01:07 PM
Wow!!!

Missster.Freeman
June 23rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
WTH! I don't quite know what to make of this episode. It was definitely an eye opener that's for sure! I really enjoyed the ep, but there was something that felt a bit off at times. I can't quite put my finger on what it was though. :S Maybe it was the sight of Spectrum's Skybase floating in the clouds. Yeah. That was it. They nicked Skybase from Captain Scarlet. The rotters. :P

I liked the Doctor's backstory about Gallifrey and how the Master came to be. The explanation of Jack's involvement with Torchwood was good as well. Erm, I can't think of much more at the minute. Oh and there were couple of moments that had me laughing.

Let's see what part two brings...

edit: I went and missed most of the phone conversation between the Doctor and the Master. Bleh.

You weren't knitting a scarf by any chance, Reefgirl? ;)

The Signal
June 23rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
Wow indeed, backstory for both The Master and the Time War itself, excellent stuff.

Overall: 8/10

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
WTH! I don't quite know what to make of this episode. It was definitely an eye opener that's for sure! I really enjoyed the ep, but there was something that felt a bit off at times. I can't quite put my finger on what it was though. :S Maybe it was the sight of Spectrum's Skybase floating in the clouds. Yeah. That was it. They nicked Skybase from Captain Scarlet. The rotters. :P

I liked the Doctor's backstory about Gallifrey and how the Master came to be. The explanation of Torchwood was good as well. Erm, I can't think of much more at the minute. Oh and there were couple of moments that had me laughing.

Let's see what part two brings...

edit: You weren't knitting a scarf by any chance, Reefgirl? :D I went and missed most of the phone conversation between the Doctor and the Master. Bleh.

You missed a really cool chunk then. that was a great moment. would have been better face to face though.

I loved the bit when they killed that journalist woman.

*open door* AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
*Closes door. silence*
*opens door*
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

That's some sound proofing.

cvife
June 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
that was possibly the best episode of the new series so far, however there was one detail thatreally annoyed me, martha's brother was not in brighton, i come from brighton and that was not it, rant over

in circles
June 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
John Simm is awesome. The music at the end was not.

Alipeeps
June 23rd, 2007, 01:26 PM
Wow. Gripping ep. Is it next week yet, dammit? :(

I nearly cried when I saw what the Master had done to the TARDIS. How can that ever be fixed?! :eek: And I'm so hideously impatient to know what the Toclafane really are...

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 01:26 PM
the two things that annoyed me and there are only tiny niggles are:

Cloud base valiant lol.

And the doctors ageing for various reasons.

First the seizure he had looked wrong.
the aged look seemed a bit over done and also:
Timelord regenerations should live longer than human beings yet when he was aged to 100 he looked 100.

Missster.Freeman
June 23rd, 2007, 01:27 PM
You missed a really cool chunk then. that was a great moment. would have been better face to face though.

I loved the bit when they killed that journalist woman.

*open door* AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
*Closes door. silence*
*opens door*
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

That's some sound proofing.:lol: Aye. That was it! It also made me think of Ace Ventura, oddly enough.

Alipeeps
June 23rd, 2007, 01:27 PM
Also... forgot to say: Actually getting Time Lord backstory... *seeing* Gallifrey!! Wow!! :D


that was possibly the best episode of the new series so far, however there was one detail thatreally annoyed me, martha's brother was not in brighton, i come from brighton and that was not it, rant over

That's the nature of television. Very few TV shows or films are shot in the actual locations mentioned in the film. The entire *show* is filmed in and around Cardiff...

Madeleine
June 23rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
If there's a bad thing about this episode, it's that I've never before had such a long run of eps for any individual show which have so impressed me that I have to give it massive props and kudos; normally I get at least a 'fine', 'meh' or 'grrr' ep every three or four, which conveniently proves to me that I'm not a slavish adulator of all things the show gives.

Oh soddit, paint me besotted fangirl then. :D

Jellybabies! Teletubbies! Ann Widdecombe! Oh my god they killed Jack! (who's now even more of a Kenny than Daniel ever was ;))

I think they trod a fine line with the wacky crazy Master. Not many actors could have managed it; Simms coped and more. He made sociopathic, psycopathic lunacy look like such FUN.

DT was on top form talking about Gallifrey and the Master, and I liked the flashbacks. (Nice to see one of those Time Lord headpieces again:)) Better still was his conversation with The Master. Touching on one side, such black comedy on the other.

The show does suit three heroes. Doctor and Martha is good, but +Jack is better. Same with Coctor and Rose plus Jack or -Ri- Mickey.

I liked the President. Any American person reading this, please tell me: when a yank calls someone an "ass", are they calling them a "donkey" or an "arse"? (it was a great line either way.)

Mrs Saxon... what luck for The Master to find someone with the same sort of murderous loopiness as him in only a few months on Earth.

That's the best Soundtrack I've ever heard for an End Of The World, too ;)

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 01:40 PM
I love that episode. :cameron:

Wow seriously, amazing episode. Fantastic even. I loved the effect when the atmosphere of the Earth seemed to part and reveal a sort of hell dimension beneath. I just hope that Torchwood don't turn up next ep to save the day (god I hate Torchwood), and the Daleks better stay out of the climax too.

The flashback to Gallifrey was awesometastic. :cameron: The Master was beautifully portrayed by John Simm (is that his the name? The guy from Life on Mars?), the cocky, cheeky parallel of the doctor only he's a complete pshyco. Just an awesome episode, and great cliff hanger.

I liked the music that played when Martha beamed off in the end (just like the music played in Doomsday when Rose becomes trapped on the parallel world).

What are those flying metal ball thingies anyway?

Hulabaloo
June 23rd, 2007, 01:48 PM
That episode was awesome. Truly awesome and now one of my faves. It had me on the edge of my seat. Truly amazing. Well done RTD.

Reefgirl
June 23rd, 2007, 01:53 PM
You weren't knitting a scarf by any chance, Reefgirl? ;)
No a pair of socks, one of the first things I knitted down here on the South Coast was a scarf (I used to cycle to work and needed a long scarf) it got stretched longer over the years and became affectionaly known as my 'Dr Who scarf'

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 01:53 PM
so what are peoples theories on what the metal ball things are? afterall the master did say that if the doctor knew what they wereit would break his hearts.

BruTak
June 23rd, 2007, 01:56 PM
Well blessed screaming Atremis on a Gods-damned wholewheat cracker! What a corker of an ep that was!

"What this country needs, right now - is a Doctor..."

The aircraft carrier Valiant (oh God, my mate Cap'n Dave of the Glasgow based Sci-Fi group USS Valiant is gonna be so smug) looked like a cross between Captain Scarlet's Cloudbase (or Skybase if you watch the CGI cartoon) and Nick Fury's SHIELD heli-carrier from Marvel Comics. Looked bloody cool though. :)

And the return of UNIT! Hurrah! *performs Dance of Joy with extra emphatic pointy finger gestures*

Loved the sly wee winks to the Third and Fourth Doctors. During the scene where the Master/Saxon is meeting the US President, his long coat is lined with red silk - much like the opera cape the Third Doctor wore occasionally. Then just prior to the President making the worldwide broadcast about the Toclafane (or however you spell it), the Master/Saxon offers his "wife" a jelly baby - a bag of which the Fourth Doctor used to carry about with him all the time.

I may just 'splode from the sheer excitement of it all. :D

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 02:04 PM
so what are peoples theories on what the metal ball things are? afterall the master did say that if the doctor knew what they wereit would break his hearts.

The remains of Time Lords maybe?

Missster.Freeman
June 23rd, 2007, 02:04 PM
Loved the sly wee winks to the Third and Fourth Doctors. During the scene where the Master/Saxon is meeting the US President, his long coat is lined with red silk - much like the opera cape the Third Doctor wore occasionally. Then just prior to the President making the worldwide broadcast about the Toclafane (or however you spell it), the Master/Saxon offers his "wife" a jelly baby - a bag of which the Fourth Doctor used to carry about with him all the time.

I may just 'splode from the sheer excitement of it all. :DS I G BruTak! :D Good spot on the previous Doctor references, btw. :zelenka25: I knew there was something familiar about the jacket the Master was wearing at the airfield. I totally missed the jellybaby line though.

Alipeeps
June 23rd, 2007, 02:05 PM
So how on earth is the Doctor ever going to be able to fix the TARDIS? First of all her permanently fused the circuits (I guess it was the old girl he was talking to when he said sorry in Utopia) and now the Master has canabalised it into a paradox machine! :S :(

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
So how on earth is the Doctor ever going to be able to fix the TARDIS? First of all her permanently fused the circuits (I guess it was the old girl he was talking to when he said sorry in Utopia) and now the Master has canabalised it into a paradox machine! :S :(

I feel really sorry for the doctor and his old friend.

BruTak
June 23rd, 2007, 02:09 PM
The remains of Time Lords maybe?

Doubt it. The Master didn't know that the Time War had wiped out the Timelords.

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 02:10 PM
Doubt it. The Master didn't know that the Time War had wiped out the Timelords.

Okay then, Daleks?

Reefgirl
June 23rd, 2007, 02:12 PM
I smirked at the Master offering his barking wife a jelly baby (She bit it in half *shudder*) I think the balls are the Gelf because the voices are the same, I actually said 'Gelf' when they first spoke, my daughter now thinks I'm nut's 'cos talking to the telly

beale947
June 23rd, 2007, 02:14 PM
2 words to sum this episode up.

[expletive] fantastic! the best episode of doctor who ever:D

Gregorius
June 23rd, 2007, 02:16 PM
What a good episode, shots of Gallifrey and a bit of Timelord history and society. The Master's mental torture (What did it feel like? You must've felt like a God!) of the Doctor was extremely amusing as were the shredding scenes of that reporter. Not to mention finally some info on the Time War.

I can't wait for next week's episode. :D

Hulabaloo
June 23rd, 2007, 02:26 PM
Some reasons I keep thinking they're his and his wifes kids. Don't ask me why. Umm, ooh, the Daleks?

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 02:29 PM
i hope it isn't the daleks again.

Is there some big enemy from the old series we haven't seen yet?

BruTak
June 23rd, 2007, 02:31 PM
Just had a thought - the Toclafane might be the Mechanoids...

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 02:33 PM
what are the mechanoids? (forgive me i haven't seen most of the old series)

Reefgirl
June 23rd, 2007, 02:54 PM
I heard rumour that the Sontaran's were making a comeback this series

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 02:57 PM
and the sontarrans are?

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 03:01 PM
and the sontarrans are?

I back that.

Madeleine
June 23rd, 2007, 03:34 PM
Creatures with no neck. (http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&q=sontaran)

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 04:00 PM
ohhh...

Mawds
June 23rd, 2007, 04:28 PM
So after watching this episode, is anyone doing the drum beat thing?
I can't stop lol.. dur dur dur dur, dur dur dur dur....

It's interesting to note that there are 6 billion of them metal orb things, same amount as there are people on Earth.
Maybe that's what they are, us in a parallel dimension. Maybe every living thing in that dimension is a metal orb, unemotional, no idea what's right or wrong etc etc.
Maybe that's what the scary tale that was told to young Galifrians, to scare them, like the BogeyMan.
I'm sure we will find out, and it will be something cool.

Madeleine
June 23rd, 2007, 04:44 PM
Other good things: the word 'decimate' used in its original sense. Lucy dancing as the drones attacked. The thing with the keys. The citadel on Gallifrey. TardisWhump!

Looks like Jack *is* the de facto head of Torchwood since Torchwood London ceased operating. Sounded like he pretty much appointed himself :)

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 23rd, 2007, 04:49 PM
Other good things: the word 'decimate' used in its original sense. Lucy dancing as the drones attacked. The thing with the keys. The citadel on Gallifrey. TardisWhump!

Looks like Jack *is* the de facto head of Torchwood since Torchwood London ceased operating. Sounded like he pretty much appointed himself :)

I liked how disgusted the doctor was when he found out, but then Jack was desperate to say it was a good think 'I did it for you!'

And also the scene where the doctor compares his new gadget with 'It's like when you fancy someone and they don't even know that you're there' and Martha looks upset and turns to Jack - 'You too, huh?' :cameron: haha awesome!

Easter Lily
June 23rd, 2007, 05:01 PM
Whoohoo... that was amazing... edge of the seat stuff. I LOVE S3... I love the continuity and that bits and pieces from previous episodes are coming together.

I have a few ideas about the Toclafane but won't mention them here. Interesting that he called them "kids" though. They'd break his hearts, eh?

Jack, the Doctor and Martha make a great team. Wonder what she's teleported to do.

The Master has a wife!... she seems almost as loony as he does

John Simms is terrific as the Master. And yeah, he reminded me of Tony Blair as well.

A fabulous episode... *chews nails*... next week can't come fast enough.

ShadowMaat
June 23rd, 2007, 05:20 PM
Tense... tense... tense... egads, TENSE!

Oh, the sheer AGONY of having to wait an ENTIRE FRAKKING WEEK to see the conclusion! Although it being a season finale, I dunno what kind of conclusion it'll be. It'll probably be wrapped up though, right? 'cos then there's the Christmas Special and that's usually it's own little story. Of sorts.

re: the song at the end... You mean the one that played as the Toklophane descended? I'm pretty sure that was The Master's choice as he hit a switch to turn it off; thus its annoyingness could be said to be expected. ;)

As for what they are, yeah, I was also thinking they're the Gelf- that one voice sounded like them. The billions swarming out of the skies did seem a bit reminiscent of the Dalek invasion in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, though. However:


Maybe every living thing in that dimension is a metal orb, unemotional, no idea what's right or wrong etc etc.
Unemotional? Dunno if I agree with that. They seemed pretty nervous and fretful to me. And childlike. And they were all sulky and "we want our Master!" Very emotional for flying metal orbs of doom, IMO. ;)


Any American person reading this, please tell me: when a yank calls someone an "ass", are they calling them a "donkey" or an "arse"? (it was a great line either way.)
I think it could be either... or both, but probably more the former, as in "You're such a jackass!" Although anatomical references are also sadly popular. :P

As soon as the Master pulled out that little paper bag, I knew he was gonna make a jellybabies reference. LOL! Great touch.

The one thing that nagged was the whole perception filter thing. The Master's right: the Doctor should have known better; so should Jack, since it played a rather pivotal point in the Torchwood premiere.

There's a whole lot of info to digest. I'll probably have to watch the ep again to make sure I didn't miss anything. ;)

Ooo, and the whole thing with the opening/closing of the door to check on the screaming? ROTFL! I also liked the Doctor's comment about how the perception filter is like "having a crush on someone who doesn't know you exist." And Martha looks at Jack, and Jack looks at Martha. "You too, huh?" LOL! Great stuff.

But now... time to digest.

Vyse
June 23rd, 2007, 07:03 PM
Well, first reply to Madeleine_W, in America when you call some an "ass" basiclly means a big jerk.

Fantastic episode, absolutely loved it! Can't believe we have to wait another whole week for the finale. John Simm was absolutely fantastic, loved him in Life on Mars, think I love this role for him even more. My only complaint is that I wished that the US President looked more like Bush. I was LOL like crazy when Martha's father was like "You voted for Saxon, it's all your fault". I have been doing that in the states for a long time now, in regards to Bush (my home, swing-state of Pennsylvania voted against Bush both times at least). I guess in the Jones family Father knows best, mother fell right into Saxon's trap so easily.

Begins countdown to Saturday.

ShadowMaat
June 23rd, 2007, 08:06 PM
Ooo, I do have to express a bit of disappointment over the non-resolution of the whole Utopia thing, but I guess there wasn't really any way to fit it in. *shrug*

Do you think the whole sounding of drums is actually leading somewhere? Or is it just gonna be one of those inexplicable things that just happen?

Mawds
June 23rd, 2007, 08:17 PM
Unemotional? Dunno if I agree with that. They seemed pretty nervous and fretful to me. And childlike. And they were all sulky and "we want our Master!" Very emotional for flying metal orbs of doom, IMO. ;)




Ahh yeah, forgot about them being childlike at the start, I was so caught up with the ending and all the killing etc.

Hulabaloo
June 23rd, 2007, 10:24 PM
I thought the laser screwdriver was pretty cool. I watched Doctor Who: Confidential afterwards and apparently DT was a bit 'put out' when he found out the Masters screwdriver was bigger than his. Lol.

SG-17
June 23rd, 2007, 10:38 PM
It was amazing, I just watched it somewhere and I was amazed, the Master said that if the Doctor knew what the Toklophane really where, his hearts would be broken. I think they are time lords. I going to end up going ito a coma until next week, out of server anticipation.

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 11:15 PM
So after watching this episode, is anyone doing the drum beat thing?
I can't stop lol.. dur dur dur dur, dur dur dur dur....


I am. i don't even realise i'm doing it now. i think the writers have brainwashed us.


I thought the laser screwdriver was pretty cool. I watched Doctor Who: Confidential afterwards and apparently DT was a bit 'put out' when he found out the Masters screwdriver was bigger than his. Lol.

lol. in a story kind of way i wouldn't be surprised if the master did that intentionally.

uknesvuinng
June 23rd, 2007, 11:31 PM
Can we arrange for next Saturday to happen today? Cause I think I'm gonna have to freeze myself or something to deal with the wait...

There are no words that can do justice to that sheer mass of awesomeness that was this week's ep of Doctor Who.

Reefgirl
June 23rd, 2007, 11:37 PM
Ooo, I do have to express a bit of disappointment over the non-resolution of the whole Utopia thing, but I guess there wasn't really any way to fit it in. *shrug*
I dunno
I could have sworn the human that was being chased by Futurekind in Utopia was in the Next Week clip at the end
I like the "You too huh?" line from Jack

Mamid
June 23rd, 2007, 11:54 PM
[mod snip]

The Time Lords resurrected the Master??? WTH?? Does he have all 12 regens back???

Watched the 5 doctors earlier today. The Doctor ran from the spire of Rastillon after telling the councilwoman that she was his deputy with full authority. And he kept on running. And then the mention of how he started running from when he saw the time vortex as a child. I don't think the Lord President of Gallifrey was ever going to stop.

Then there's the tardis... Now, do remember, she should have a second control room. She does have a back door.

Why the Master? Why not Romana? Or the Rani? Or any other time lord? Why him? Obviously he was created to be the war leader and has completely gone off the deep end stark raving bonkers.

And the jelly baby reference... I need to go to the local brit store and buy some. My supply has... diminished. *evilgrin*

But seeing the doctor that old and weak. I just wanted to cry. Martha should have just grabbed him and teleported the three of them out of there.

And now, since Think Geek has sonic screwdrivers, I need to get myself one of those. Maybe they'll also carry laser ones too?

P-90_177
June 23rd, 2007, 11:58 PM
Why the Master? Why not Romana? Or the Rani? Or any other time lord? Why him? Obviously he was created to be the war leader and has completely gone off the deep end stark raving bonkers.


Maybe they resurected them too but they died in the war?

Or maybe they ressurected the master first but then after he ran away they decided that it wasn't worth the risk.

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 01:06 AM
The Mechanoids, children, were a race of robots that appeared in the Classic Who story "The Chase". They were intended to be a rival to the Daleks, but proved to be spectacularly unpopular.

Given that the Macra also only appeared in one Classic Who story "The Macra Terror", and that RTD brought them back for "Gridlock" a few weeks ago - I wouldn't put it past him...

Also, I seem to be the only one who caught the sly reference to the Third Doctor.
In the scene where the Master is at the airfield meeting Air Force One and the President, he's wearing a long overcoat with a red silk lining.
Much like the opera cloak with the red silk lining that the Third Doctor was fond of wearing.

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 01:24 AM
I was right about The Master. Coward.

Wow this was a great... no the best episode yet, even better then Dalek and I never thought they would top that... hats off to RTD. ;)

This had so many references to canon, to classic who (god they are stupid but I am so glad RTD stayed with the bad looking Gallifrey costumes ;)) and OMG! The Master had jelly babies! Sacrilege!!! :eek::p

Did you hear the bell going off in the T.A.R.D.I.S? :( Even in her state she still warns The Doctor. :( *bless* I think she could be fixed *secretly hoping they use the old console*.

As to why The Master, simple he is ruthless. :cool: The TimeLords are a lot of things and yes they have done some very questionable things but ruthless? No. They needed someone like The Master, yes as broken and wrong as he is.... and lets NEVER forget The Doctor hates taking orders form The TimeLords he ran away from Gallifrey to be rid of them, he spent much of his regenerations avoiding his home planet because of The TimeLords.... Frankly to The TimeLords I am sure The Doctor and The Master are seen much the same. Only The Doctor less with the crazy.

Oh and it is really good plot device to help bring The Master back. :p:D I loved the line about The Master being The Doctor's brother! NOT.

LOL! No RTD doesn't go on the internet and see fans post stupid things like that! ;)

Jack has the *low down dirty* luv for The Doctor *Yay!* *Boo hiss* The Doctor is too far gone on a blond girly to notice what he is missing. :rolleyes::p

There is loads more to post about but my head is swimming so I am off to watch Confidential instead. ;)

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:01 AM
ok i just watched it again and there are so many more things i picked up on.
I'll need to watch it yet again to remember most of them though lol.

Anyway two things i want to ask. So here goes:

1) Given the writers fondness for anagrams (they've come up throughout the series and the mystery surounding this new enemy. Can anyone come up with an anagram for TOCLAFANE that matches something from the old series.

I also noticed this time that the master said (or was it the doctor) that the toclafane were a story told to galifreyan children.

2) Something that bugged me is how the doctor looked when the master said he aged him 100 years. No the doctor has said a couple of times these last few seasons that he is around 900 years old. Like wise Paul Mcgann said so too in the movie.
At the same time. the second doctor once said that he was around 450 years old. so obviously the galifreyan life spans are much much longer than human lifespans. So how is it after 100 years aged the doctor looked.....well 100......did the master mean age him to the equivalent of a human 100 year old? Or galifreyan years? Or did the master just lie and keep going.


Also i liked how they took note of the fact that The Doctor and The Master were friends at one point. that banter between them on the phone seemed really quite friendly. Even the doctor was willing to save them, even though that on many many occasions now the doctor has shown that he is ruthless. look at how he is with the daleks or the family of blood. and yet there's a sorrow and sadness with him when dealing with the master. of course it could be cos they are the last of there kind but i don't think that's it. It really does seem that somewhere, Deep inside, the doctor still wants to have him as a friend. and so does the master from the looks of it at times.

Once again...........This episode ROCKED. This series has just got better and better!

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:11 AM
I was right about The Master. Coward.

I wouldn't say coward. he was just scared. Just like anyone would be. However i think he seemed legitamately regretful about it. like he had left his kind down in some way. Did anyone else notice that?


Wow this was a great... no the best episode yet, even better then Dalek and I never thought they would top that... hats off to RTD. ;)

I agree. this season has gone from strength to strength.


This had so many references to canon, to classic who (god they are stupid but I am so glad RTD stayed with the bad looking Gallifrey costumes ;)) and OMG! The Master had jelly babies! Sacrilege!!! :eek::p

I know how cool is that.all this time i had the impression that they have been ignoring the old seires for the most part (of course with the same spirit though) and then they do that. even with the costumes.........but even better.


As to why The Master, simple he is ruthless. :cool: The TimeLords are a lot of things and yes they have done some very questionable things but ruthless? No. They needed someone like The Master, yes as broken and wrong as he is.... and lets NEVER forget The Doctor hates taking orders form The TimeLords he ran away from Gallifrey to be rid of them, he spent much of his regenerations avoiding his home planet because of The TimeLords.... Frankly to The TimeLords I am sure The Doctor and The Master are seen much the same. Only The Doctor less with the crazy.

I don't know. look at the doctor. he can be very ruthless now. i think he's done things that the old doctors would never have done.

Also i wouldn't say the doctor is less crazy.......just not evil.


Jack has the *low down dirty* luv for The Doctor *Yay!* *Boo hiss* The Doctor is too far gone on a blond girly to notice what he is missing. :rolleyes::p

How do you mean. I haven't seen anything that would indicate jack may have a thing for the doctor........well not like martha and rose at least....Jack seems willing to do it with anybody.....just look at him in torchwood.

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 02:11 AM
One of Jack's lines bugs me.

When he was telling the Doctor about his involvement with Torchwood, he said that he worked with "half a dozen" people.
Ok, there's Jack himself, Gwen Cooper, Owen Harper, Toshiko Sato, and Ianto Jones. Who's number six? Susie Costello, who was killed in ep. 1 of Torchwood?

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:13 AM
One of Jack's lines bugs me.

When he was telling the Doctor about his involvement with Torchwood, he said that he worked with "half a dozen" people.
Ok, there's Jack himself, Gwen Cooper, Owen Harper, Toshiko Sato, and Ianto Jones. Who's number six? Susie Costello, who was killed in ep. 1 of Torchwood?

i think he was just rounding up.

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 02:21 AM
IHow do you mean. I haven't seen anything that would indicate jack may have a thing for the doctor........well not like martha and rose at least....Jack seems willing to do it with anybody.....just look at him in torchwood.He said in the ep to Martha "you to" after it was clear she had a thing for The Doctor... do pay attend. :p It was during the "key as a clocking *kind of* device" bit where The Doctor says something like; it would be like imaging someone had a crush on you and you were oblivious. In other words both Jack and Martha have a crush on The Doctor and he is oblivious... or at least he prefers blond girly stuck in another dimension. *I prefer her stuck in another dimension too!* :D:p

Remember this is "family friendly" Doctor Who, he can't come straight out and say it!

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:23 AM
He said in the ep to Martha "you to" after it was clear she had a thing for The Doctor... do pay attend. :p It was during the "key as a clocking *kind of* device bit where he says it would be like imaging someone had a crush on you and you were oblivious. In other words both Jack and Martha have a crush on The Doctor and he is oblivious... or at least he prefers blond girly stuck in another dimension. *I prefer her stuck in another dimension too!* :D:p

Remember this is "family friendly" Doctor Who, he can't come straight out and say it!

I didn't take it in that sense. I took it to mean that he was talking about Rose. When he said it there was no look of longing or anything like that he just said it like 'soooooo you too huh? yeah rose was the same.'

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 02:29 AM
I didn't take it in that sense. I took it to mean that he was talking about Rose. When he said it there was no look of longing or anything like that he just said it like 'soooooo you too huh? yeah rose was the same.'Yeah but I got the impression it was a little too close to home for Jack... and again Family Friendly show. Even RTD isn't stupid enough to play that card so openly... regardless of what some may say about him and his agenda. :rolleyes:

You need some slash goggles. ;)

And there was no mention of Rose from Jack so I go with my first slashy impression.

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:30 AM
Yeah but I got the impression it was a little too close to home for Jack... and again Family Friendly show. Even RTD isn't stupid enough to play that card so openly... regardless of what some may say about him and his agenda. :rolleyes:

You need some slash goggles. ;)

well he chatted up that bloke in Utopia.

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 02:33 AM
well he chatted up that bloke in Utopia.No to a kid *a stupid cloistered kid* he was saying hello, to a others who know better yeah he was hitting on him but again it is so by the by as to be no big thing *as it should be* I mean he didn't' say anymore then hello, or hi. Did he? In other words kids *stupid kids* wouldn't be thinking oh he is hitting on that guy there. Anyway Jack is Jack just cause he likes the sex with lots of folks does not mean he can't fall for The Doctor as well.

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 02:38 AM
well yeah but what i mean is that TPTB are not afraid to show that sort ofthing in some way so if they wanted to show that He had a thing for the doctor then they would.

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 02:55 AM
well yeah but what i mean is that TPTB are not afraid to show that sort ofthing in some way so if they wanted to show that He had a thing for the doctor then they would.I just think there is no point in spelling it out. Also unlike Martha and Rose, Jack is a man and he has been around a lot longer then either of them and he... well, he knows the score.;)

Why would RTD allow Jack to go there anyway? Why would he take the show in that direction when there is no need to? He can satisfy most fans who would like to think that Jack and The Doctor have something *special* by doing what he is doing already. ;) (most fans know the score ;)).

Anyway it ain't over yet. :D

MagnoliaAnaglypta
June 24th, 2007, 04:03 AM
I didn't take it in that sense. I took it to mean that he was talking about Rose. When he said it there was no look of longing or anything like that he just said it like 'soooooo you too huh? yeah rose was the same.'

Why would Jack refer to Rose in that context, since it's been quite clear that Rose and the Doctor DID reciprocate each other's emotions and were quite well aware of how the other felt.

It seemed very clear to me that Jack was referring, with some understated irony, to himself. One of the things I particularly liked about this episode was how easily Jack and Martha seemed to have bonded together - they have developed an understanding very quickly and already got to the point of being able to communicate very well on a non-verbal level, such as the point where Martha prompts Jack with just a gesture of her eyes towards the Doctor to ask him about The Master. At this point Martha already knows that Jack can get away with asking the Doctor more than she can (and I SO wanted to punch the Doctor on the nose when he said 'and that's all you need to know' to her earlier) and it's she who is driving that question being asked.

As for the Doctor, the one negative note in this episode for me was the aged makeup at the end because frankly, it was so UGLY. And all that flailing about during the ageing process - it was so - seventies. Yuk. That whole sequence just ruined the last five minutes for me.

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 04:10 AM
As for the Doctor, the one negative note in this episode for me was the aged makeup at the end because frankly, it was so UGLY. And all that flailing about during the ageing process - it was so - seventies. Yuk. That whole sequence just ruined the last five minutes for me.
It didn't ruin the last five minutes for me but I agree it was a little too much, I guess it was meant to be ugly to convey the way The Doctor would be feeling? Old, fragile and obviously not himself. Not sure, but really I was thinking normally if they were using that kind of thing that a TimeLord would regenerate. For one small moment I actually thought he was going to regenerate. :eek:

Alipeeps
June 24th, 2007, 05:09 AM
Also, I seem to be the only one who caught the sly reference to the Third Doctor.
In the scene where the Master is at the airfield meeting Air Force One and the President, he's wearing a long overcoat with a red silk lining.
Much like the opera cloak with the red silk lining that the Third Doctor was fond of wearing.

I did notice that moment and found it somehow deliberately reminiscent but I couldn't quite think specifically of what. So thanks for confirming that. :D


How do you mean. I haven't seen anything that would indicate jack may have a thing for the doctor........well not like martha and rose at least....Jack seems willing to do it with anybody.....just look at him in torchwood.


I didn't take it in that sense. I took it to mean that he was talking about Rose. When he said it there was no look of longing or anything like that he just said it like 'soooooo you too huh? yeah rose was the same.'

Oh I definitely took it in the sense of Jack saying he had a crush on the Doctor too. :) It was very much Jack commiserating with Martha.. saying "I know how you feel." Especially in light of his earlier explanation to the Doctor about Torchwood, where he said, "I did it for you!"

Anubis69
June 24th, 2007, 05:38 AM
So after watching this episode, is anyone doing the drum beat thing?
I can't stop lol.. dur dur dur dur, dur dur dur dur....
YES! On the way to the pub afterwards (Who first, drinking second) my friend randomly hummed the Rogue Traders song wheras I just had those 4 beats... It was really creepy, but awesome at the same time.

I think my friend described this episode perfectly when he said EPIC. As to those ball things, they seemed to come from the vortex. It's almost like they spoke to the child Master to release them later in life... But that would be rubbish.

I'm gonna have to watch it again.

... Jelly baby?

Elinor
June 24th, 2007, 05:43 AM
Oh I definitely took it in the sense of Jack saying he had a crush on the Doctor too. :) It was very much Jack commiserating with Martha.. saying "I know how you feel." Especially in light of his earlier explanation to the Doctor about Torchwood, where he said, "I did it for you!"

Yep, that's the way I took it as well.

Another fabulous episode!

Heh! Master to the Dr: 'Are you asking me out on a date?'!!!

Ya know, I'm finding I'm re-watching episodes 3 or 4 times now. A sure sign that I'm getting addicted to something! There's just so much crammed into a story though, that it's fun to pick up stuff you missed the first time around.

Loving John Simm as The Master. He's sooooo good. I liked that The Master's wife is equally as nutty as well!

Also, just got to say that I'm really loving all the background music just lately. They have so many different themes running through each episode. It's really very well done.

Now...roll on Saturday!!

:)

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 05:47 AM
I did notice that moment and found it somehow deliberately reminiscent but I couldn't quite think specifically of what. So thanks for confirming that. :D

You're welcome. :)

Naonak
June 24th, 2007, 06:20 AM
So after watching this episode, is anyone doing the drum beat thing?
I can't stop lol.. dur dur dur dur, dur dur dur dur....

I am. i don't even realise i'm doing it now. i think the writers have brainwashed us.
:eek: Russell T Davies = The Master!!!


A stunning episode.

John Simm was amazing. He handled the crazy perfectly - a lesser actor might have been too OTT and campy, but John was superb.
(I'm hoping that he'll be able to come back after next week - the Master has always been a great villain.)

It was neat having John Barrowman on the main credits. :)
The Doctor, Martha and Jack make a great team.

The huge Gallifrey/Master/Time Lords/Doctor backstory splurge was cool.
I think that time vortex-thing the young Master looked into has to play some part in the finale (other than being what sent him loopy) - there seemed to be a little too much emphasis on it to just be pure backstory, and nothing else.

It seems all too possible now that Martha will be killed off, or leave for some other reason.

My only problem with the episode is that the Earth is completely changed now, much more than with the Christmas eps, or Doomsday. It just seems too massive to me - it's not really set in the "real world" anymore, unless they go back in time and stop it from happening.


As to why The Master, simple he is ruthless. :cool: The TimeLords are a lot of things and yes they have done some very questionable things but ruthless? No. They needed someone like The Master, yes as broken and wrong as he is.... and lets NEVER forget The Doctor hates taking orders form The TimeLords he ran away from Gallifrey to be rid of them, he spent much of his regenerations avoiding his home planet because of The TimeLords.... Frankly to The TimeLords I am sure The Doctor and The Master are seen much the same. Only The Doctor less with the crazy.

I don't know. look at the doctor. he can be very ruthless now. i think he's done things that the old doctors would never have done.
Yeah, he can be ruthless now, but not at the time. It's only because of what he had to do to end the Time War that this ruthlessness has come out - his loneliness and anger at it all.

inevaexisted
June 24th, 2007, 06:44 AM
well that was an aight episode...i'm thinking that nxt ep them robo drones will be revealed as being from an alternate universe on an alternate Earth...*thinking as to the mention of there being 6 Billion of the drones ~ the same population of the earth (humans anyway) atm*

also when the sky opened didnt it look awefully similar to the void that the cybermen and darleks *excuse if spell wrong* where 'banished' to?

saying that the drones have some funky spikes that remind me of cybermen making humans into more cybermen...

/end thoughts....

Ineva.

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 06:44 AM
Want a bit of gossip?

There's a rumour going round that the Doctor and the Master will switch bodies, and that John Simm will play the Doctor for some episodes of series 4.

However, given how much he moaned and complained about having to be away from his family when he was filming Life on Mars in Manchester, I don't think it's likely.

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 06:45 AM
Oh I definitely took it in the sense of Jack saying he had a crush on the Doctor too. :) It was very much Jack commiserating with Martha.. saying "I know how you feel." Especially in light of his earlier explanation to the Doctor about Torchwood, where he said, "I did it for you!"

Exactly. He rebuilt Torchwood in the Doctor's honor. Yes, that could be written off as a "just friends" sort of thing, too, but I took it to mean something more; the "You too?" line just underscored it for me. :)

Anubis69
June 24th, 2007, 07:04 AM
A small request:

If anyone can get a quality screencap of The Master giving the thumbs up to the dying stereotypical British politician then I will forever be your best friend. Mine keep coming up blurry. And too small. :(

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 07:06 AM
A small request:

If anyone can get a quality screencap of The Master giving the thumbs up to the dying stereotypical British politician then I will forever be your best friend. Mine keep coming up blurry. And too small. :(

Might be some on the BBC website.

Anubis69
June 24th, 2007, 07:21 AM
Yeah, I tried there. They've got some good pics of Saxon during a speach but none of him giving the thumbs up or him in front of parliament. Unfortunately though, I don't think Mark Thompson would want my friendship.

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 07:25 AM
If anyone can get a quality screencap of The Master giving the thumbs up to the dying stereotypical British politician then I will forever be your best friend. Mine keep coming up blurry. And too small. :(

Not being familiar with the whole gif vs. jpeg thing, I did one gif and three jpegs:

All gone, bye bye

Tagged for clutter. The last one even manages to catch the wink. ;)

Make sure to load it/them onto your own comp, though, because I'm only leaving those up for a day.

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Thank you. :)

Now, if someone can get me some screen caps of Chief Tyrol or other Battlestar Galactica characters in BDUs... ;)

Anubis69
June 24th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Not being familiar with the whole gif vs. jpeg thing, I did one gif and three jpegs:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/shadowmaat/Thumbsup1.gif
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/shadowmaat/Thumbsup2.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/shadowmaat/Thumbsup3.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/shadowmaat/Thumbsup4.jpg

Tagged for clutter. The last one even manages to catch the wink. ;)

Make sure to load it/them onto your own comp, though, because I'm only leaving those up for a day.
AMAZING. You're now officially my new best friend!

Thank you!

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Why would Jack refer to Rose in that context, since it's been quite clear that Rose and the Doctor DID reciprocate each other's emotions and were quite well aware of how the other felt.

It seemed very clear to me that Jack was referring, with some understated irony, to himself. One of the things I particularly liked about this episode was how easily Jack and Martha seemed to have bonded together - they have developed an understanding very quickly and already got to the point of being able to communicate very well on a non-verbal level, such as the point where Martha prompts Jack with just a gesture of her eyes towards the Doctor to ask him about The Master. At this point Martha already knows that Jack can get away with asking the Doctor more than she can (and I SO wanted to punch the Doctor on the nose when he said 'and that's all you need to know' to her earlier) and it's she who is driving that question being asked.

As for the Doctor, the one negative note in this episode for me was the aged makeup at the end because frankly, it was so UGLY. And all that flailing about during the ageing process - it was so - seventies. Yuk. That whole sequence just ruined the last five minutes for me.

but not whenjack was traveling with them. it was the 10th doctor that reciprocated. i think the 9th doctor felt the same but ignored it cos he didn't think rose would feel the same or something...................anyway.............how did a shippy question take presedence over my much more interesting questions?

BruTak
June 24th, 2007, 08:52 AM
Ok, this is a monor thing, but it bugs me all the same.

The bomb on the back of Martha's TV.

Dynamite?

This is the 21st century for Heaven's sakes, who actually uses dynamite these days?

Wouldn't a slab of C-4 plastic explosive been more appropriate?

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 08:57 AM
Ok, this is a monor thing, but it bugs me all the same.

The bomb on the back of Martha's TV.

Dynamite?

This is the 21st century for Heaven's sakes, who actually uses dynamite these days?

Wouldn't a slab of C-4 plastic explosive been more appropriate?

i thought that. lol. it seemed comedic in alot of ways what with how it was this big huge thing.

wise one
June 24th, 2007, 09:06 AM
so the doctor is about just over 1000 years old but from next week trailer he might be returning to his normal self.

the master looks brilliant, best bits for me were

master: "you asking me out on a date"

doctor: "its like when you like someone, but he doesnt notice your there"

harkness:"you to huh?

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 09:13 AM
because people seem to be ignoring my previous questions i'll mention them again:

ok i just watched it again and there are so many more things i picked up on.
I'll need to watch it yet again to remember most of them though lol.

Anyway two things i want to ask. So here goes:

1) Given the writers fondness for anagrams (they've come up throughout the series and the mystery surounding this new enemy. Can anyone come up with an anagram for TOCLAFANE that matches something from the old series.

I also noticed this time that the master said (or was it the doctor) that the toclafane were a story told to galifreyan children.

2) Something that bugged me is how the doctor looked when the master said he aged him 100 years. No the doctor has said a couple of times these last few seasons that he is around 900 years old. Like wise Paul Mcgann said so too in the movie.
At the same time. the second doctor once said that he was around 450 years old. so obviously the galifreyan life spans are much much longer than human lifespans. So how is it after 100 years aged the doctor looked.....well 100......did the master mean age him to the equivalent of a human 100 year old? Or galifreyan years? Or did the master just lie and keep going.


Also i liked how they took note of the fact that The Doctor and The Master were friends at one point. that banter between them on the phone seemed really quite friendly. Even the doctor was willing to save them, even though that on many many occasions now the doctor has shown that he is ruthless. look at how he is with the daleks or the family of blood. and yet there's a sorrow and sadness with him when dealing with the master. of course it could be cos they are the last of there kind but i don't think that's it. It really does seem that somewhere, Deep inside, the doctor still wants to have him as a friend. and so does the master from the looks of it at times.

Once again...........This episode ROCKED. This series has just got better and better!

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 09:28 AM
Using two anagrams in one story would be overkill, IMO. And I didn't say so earlier because I didn't think it warranted a response. The shippy thing is interesting to me; the anagram angle is not. Hence I spend more time talking about the shippy stuff. ;)

As for the dynamite, BruTak, I thought it was pretty funny, myself. I figured it was just the Master being quirky again. *shrug*

rien
June 24th, 2007, 09:39 AM
okay since there is nothing to say the timelords resurrected him at the start of the war i figure the timelords only resurrected the master cause the odds were going against them and since the master mentioned that he saw the dalek emporor take control of the crucible/crucifore (sp) i took it to mean that he stuck around til it looked hopeless then did a runner.

the master is too good a villain/character to get rid of so quickly so i predict that when the earth is inevitably saved the master will escape. but i think his dear lucy may come to a bad end and if the doctor is not even indirectly responsible the master will still blame him thus giving him added reason to seek out the doctor in future episodes for purposes of revenge.

it would be an interesting scenario if the earth ended up under masters control at the end of series and we had the doctor and co. traveling round in the tardis trying to come up with ways to undo what the master has done for the first couple episodes of the next series but the TPTB probably wont go for that idea

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 10:26 AM
okay since there is nothing to say the timelords resurrected him at the start of the war i figure the timelords only resurrected the master cause the odds were going against them and since the master mentioned that he saw the dalek emporor take control of the crucible/crucifore (sp) i took it to mean that he stuck around til it looked hopeless then did a runner.

the master is too good a villain/character to get rid of so quickly so i predict that when the earth is inevitably saved the master will escape. but i think his dear lucy may come to a bad end and if the doctor is not even indirectly responsible the master will still blame him thus giving him added reason to seek out the doctor in future episodes for purposes of revenge.

it would be an interesting scenario if the earth ended up under masters control at the end of series and we had the doctor and co. traveling round in the tardis trying to come up with ways to undo what the master has done for the first couple episodes of the next series but the TPTB probably wont go for that idea

probably not cos that would remove that happy0go-lucky nature that's always been a part of the show.

more likely he'll have a backup plan or even just nickoff with jacks time vortex manipulator.

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 10:41 AM
Yeah, something is gonna have to happen to the vortex manipulator- either the Master takes it or it'll get damaged (again), but I don't think it's something Jack is likely to have when he returns to Torchwood; it's too convenient. His wrist is going to look very nekkid if the Master steals it, though...

Speaking of Torchwood, I wonder how the team is faring in the Himalayas and how they're managing to protect themselves from the Orbs of Doom? (hmm... Orbs of Doom... OMG! It's the Ood! :P)

Or maybe it's the refugees who fled to Utopia! :eek: All that running around to send the ship off happily ever after and it only winds up back in time, invading Earth. No wonder the Toklophane trusted the Master- he's the one they trusted in the first place! Good ol' Professor Yano, saving the day again. LOL

Mamid
June 24th, 2007, 10:59 AM
TOCLAFANE (http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=TOCLAFANE&t=1000)
Logopolis maybe?
Rastillon?

I think Master aged Doctor to the equivalent of 100 terran years.

And the sound inside the Tardis? That's the cloister(sp) bell. The true heart of the tardis. She's rebelling against what Master has done and is trying to shake it off, but yes, he has caused her some serious damage so she's not having any success.

Reefgirl
June 24th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Ok here's my twopenn'orth on the Jack/Martha/Doctor thing. When Jack said "You too huh?" I definatly got the feeling he was talking about himself, now his attraction for the Doctor goes back to series 1/27/Dr 9, now Dr 9 played up to it, for the sheer hell of it or because he fancied Jack back we don't know, but on the back of the kiss they shared in Parting of the Ways, he (the Doctor) wasn't that upset by it. And the flirting in Utopia, Jack still has it bad for the Doctor and I think Dr 10 liked it, yeah, he's still got it bad for Rose but I think he's slowly getting back on track with his friendship with Jack.
I'd love to know what went on between the three of them in between episodes, they all fancied eachother something rotten ;)

root
June 24th, 2007, 11:19 AM
Is it just me who was crying Stargate when I saw this episode? Gallifrey looked like Atlantis, the Master walked through some kind of portal which looked like a Stargate, he had a thing on around his neck which made him look like an Prior and was staring into fire and all that which Priors usually do.

Oh and how the time lords look down but don't interfere...

Major Clanger
June 24th, 2007, 11:29 AM
I see the master still likes childrens' TV
(although the turncoat appears to have gone downmarket ;))

Blitz
June 24th, 2007, 11:32 AM
I got the Jack liking the Dr aspect of it. Lucky Dr ;) and lucly Jack Barrowmans partner ;)

As for the ep in general : I liked it. I like the master and the laserdriver - that was a twist I didnt see, nor the ageing of the Dr. As for Gallifrey - beautiful :D

Cant wait for nxt week -especally as in the trailer for it

it looked as if the Tardis exploded on the inside

Reefgirl
June 24th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I see the master still likes childrens' TV
(although the turncoat appears to have gone downmarket ;))
Awwwwwwww is the Major feeling unloved now :lol:

Pitry
June 24th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Nope, didn't feel like Stargate at all. :)

John Simm. The man is brilliant. Hoenestly. I never thought I'd say this, but the mixture between RTD's madness and John Simm proves that tehre can be such a thing as a great "over the top". It's so... fitting. *Pitry in awe* See, that's the way the Master shoudl always have been written!

As for the coat in the UNIT scene, it kind of reminded me of the Master's capes, I'm sure Ainely wore soemthing like that? And the Jelly Babies! The Jelly Babies!! HA!

Toclafane. I wonder. Since the Master has no problem of breaking the Doctor's heart, it's possible that the Doctor knows how to stop them, and in line with his new found wisdom he decided not to tell the Doctor so that he wouldn't ruin his plans. I guess it'll have a rather easy solution tho - there seems to be quite a lot to deal with with only one episode to go, so the actual getting rid of the Toclafane should be rather easy - prolly like the wy they resolved last week's cliffhanger - and I've had no problem with that, bTW, I really didn't feel a whole scene of fighting Futurekind was neede.d They were the centre of Utopia, jsut a plto device.
However, as for Sound of Drums.... it was good, very good, but I dind't feel it was as brilliant as the previous 4 episodes. Prolly because it's so plot heavy. Doctor Who is much better when its centring around human moments and ideas, witht eh plot episoes tending to be the ratehr weaker ones - not that it was weak, just.... not as good. But jsut like Army of Ghosts/ Doomsday, I guess we'll get more than enough compensation next week :D

"You too, huh" - yeah, I've also taken it to be Jack confessing his being in lvoe with the Doctor. Then again, I kinda felt like that from Torchwood, too, so it was an obvious thread for me. Speaking fo Torchwood! Oh, I can;t wait for it to come back and hear Owen Harper complaining on hw he had to spend time int he Himalayas! Ha! That should be classic.

I agree prolyl the worst part was the Doctor's becoming 100 years old, both the make up - I dunno, I felt the Family of Blood bit was better done - and the effect.... I hope he doesn't stay 100 for alll of episode 13! accck! Evil things, the next week preview had only one shot of the Doctor, they insist on not giving anythign away! *grawls appreciatedly. I don't really wanna know, even tho I do...*

Once again they've over done themselves with the music. Murray Gold's music is incredible, it adds so much.

As for the Time War bit - I got the impression they wanted the Master to do exactly what the Doctor ended up doing. End the war by any means necessary. Any other Time Lord would never have been able to do it, only the Master or the Doctor - and yes, I think the old series Doctor, as well, could have - adn actually did- done it. According to RTD's somethign or other Romana was the president of Gallifrey at the time - maybe she knew what she would be askign of the Doctor and therefore tried to spare him that by asking the Master. Huh, you'd have thought tho Romana would know better.
Edit: oh yeah! Gallifrey! Time Lords! Silly costums and even worse hats! *Geek heaven*

Cruciform, tho. So Dan Simmons.

Bring no next week! And then give me a TARDIS and let me travel in time to series 4....!\

Oh. As for drumming. I'ev been drumming that bit all day today at work. Mwaha.

Commander Jumper
June 24th, 2007, 12:24 PM
so what are peoples theories on what the metal ball things are? afterall the master did say that if the doctor knew what they wereit would break his hearts.

well.. heres my theory (mapp and I discussed this)

The Toclafane are the people the Doctor sent to "UTOPIA". Professor Yana set the coordinates did he not? He's deep down the Master and maybe subconciously sent them to their doom. The Doctor helped send them there... did he not? It would kill him to know he sent these people.. Humans to "Utopia"... I know there weren't six billion people aboard Yana's ship.... but who says you had to reach "Utopia" through Yana's ship... he prolly sent out the coordinates.. luring the people to "Utopia"... and they got turned into Toclafane.... I know that Toclafane "Boogey men" to time lords.. it's possible that The Master named them such to stir up nightmares in the Doctors memories....

just a theory...

P-90_177
June 24th, 2007, 01:12 PM
Is it just me who was crying Stargate when I saw this episode? Gallifrey looked like Atlantis, the Master walked through some kind of portal which looked like a Stargate, he had a thing on around his neck which made him look like an Prior and was staring into fire and all that which Priors usually do.

Oh and how the time lords look down but don't interfere...

nope nothing like stargate. besides he didn't walk into the untempered schizm (sp)

also those costumes have been used in old who (same design anyway) as was the general look of the citadel which all came before Stargate and that goes the same for the time lords none interference.

Mamid
June 24th, 2007, 02:16 PM
anyone else noticed that the drum beats are in the Doctor Who theme?

oooo eeee oooooo

Missster.Freeman
June 24th, 2007, 02:29 PM
anyone else noticed that the drum beats are in the Doctor Who theme?

oooo eeee ooooooYes, now that I've played it back a few times, it definitely sounds to me like the underbeat from the Doctor Who theme Saxon and everyone else was tapping out.

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 02:31 PM
anyone else noticed that the drum beats are in the Doctor Who theme?
...Are they different than the usual drum beats in the theme? Or do you mean the "beating of the drums" thing might refer to the theme?

Here's a thought: what do two hearts beating really fast sound like? Or the patterning not right? Probably a bit too obvious for it to be that, but it popped into my head when the Master was telling the Doctor how "your hearts would break."

Matt G
June 24th, 2007, 03:17 PM
OK...

1. OK, Time Lords resurrected the Master and gave him a fresh batch of regens. Fine.

2. Not surprised about Doctor snarking over Torchwood either. Then the "that sounds like Torchwood". Well anyone who's watched Torchwood knows Jack better than the Doctor does now.

3. "You're not the Master". Not very subtle these Tochlophane.

4. What the hell is a Paradox Machine? Does it have anything to do with the Tochlophane?

5. Wild goose chase to the Himalayas. I can hear Owen's snarks now!

6. Yes, we know RTD is a Gater.

7. John Simm is one heck of an actor.

OK, had better stop there. The end of this ep was a "exhale when you didn't know you were holding".

Has to be the best ep of the season. How are they going to get out of this?

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Has a paradox machine ever been used on the show before? Would've thought somebody would have mentioned it by now if it had, but figured I'd ask anyway...

Willow'sCat
June 24th, 2007, 04:57 PM
TOCLAFANE (http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=TOCLAFANE&t=1000)
Logopolis maybe?
Rastillon?I thought they said it was an old story they were told as kids, it had the toclafane as the main character. :S The Master just used that name.

And the sound inside the Tardis? That's the cloister(sp) bell.
Yeah I mentioned that, the bell featured heavily in one of Peter Davison's stories, was it the first story? It was a whole big doomsday thing. Glad RTD is a fan of the classic show or these little things probably wouldn't be included. ;)

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 07:41 PM
Oooo... what if "the sound of drums" signals the approach of whatever it is that's lurking in the darkness? The one Jack's so afraid of; (Torchwood spoilers) the "presence" that Suzie (and one or two others) sensed when she was dead?

uknesvuinng
June 24th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Oooo... what if "the sound of drums" signals the approach of whatever it is that's lurking in the darkness? The one Jack's so afraid of; (Torchwood spoilers) the "presence" that Suzie (and one or two others) sensed when she was dead?

I thought the season finale of Torchwood dealt with that particular thing.

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 24th, 2007, 08:34 PM
anyone else noticed that the drum beats are in the Doctor Who theme?

oooo eeee oooooo


Yes, now that I've played it back a few times, it definitely sounds to me like the underbeat from the Doctor Who theme Saxon and everyone else was tapping out.

my brother explained that to me, but yeah....must mix in because it showed the time vortex swirling in a young master's eyes. :cameron:

ShadowMaat
June 24th, 2007, 09:27 PM
I thought the season finale of Torchwood dealt with that particular thing.

Was it? Was that the explanation? *frowns* Maybe I conveniently forgot it because it was so stupid. Good ep, but that as the ultimate explanation of it... bleah.

Oh well, another perfectly fun theory ruined. :P

Locutus_Of_Borg
June 24th, 2007, 09:52 PM
I thought that was a good ep, i hope they don't kill someone off because someoen always does at the end of the season.

Is there more detail on the paradox machine? and for a second at the end I thought the doctor was going back in age a 100 years into Christopher Eccleston but then it meant taking 100 off his life.

Mamid
June 24th, 2007, 10:27 PM
the cloister bell was used when the doctor wasn't able to properly regenerate and had to go into the rose room. Now, why would they pull it apart and make a rose coffin and then drag it around???? (somewhere I have a slash story written as a young teen about running in the tardis corridors and having fun)

and yes, the drum beats can be heard through all the theme sounds. *shudder*

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 01:14 AM
Rose Room? I believe you mean the Zero Room?

Willow'sCat
June 25th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Rose Room? I believe you mean the Zero Room?
Yep definitely the Zero room. ;) Oh yeah they took it apart to put The Doctor in it like a coffin! :S Then I think Tegan drop it. :p

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Technically, the Zero Room had to be ejected from the TARDIS so it could lose some mass to escape a black hole (I think, memory's a bit fuzzy).

All that was left, were the doors and part of a wall - which Tegan and Nyssa used to make a "Zero Cabinet" for the newly regenerated Doctor.

Willow'sCat
June 25th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Technically, the Zero Room had to be ejected from the TARDIS so it could lose some mass to escape a black hole (I think, memory's a bit fuzzy).

All that was left, were the doors and part of a wall - which Tegan and Nyssa used to make a "Zero Cabinet" for the newly regenerated Doctor.
I thought they were already on the planet? I thought it was just a way to save The Doctor by transporting him to the city because he couldn't walk and he was still regenerating so needed to be surrounded by the Zero room. Dam it is one of my fave eps but my memory sucks. :S:D

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 02:46 AM
I thought they were already on the planet?

Yeah. But, they only found out that the Zero Room had been ejected after they landed on the planet.

Willow'sCat
June 25th, 2007, 02:58 AM
Yeah. But, they only found out that the Zero Room had been ejected after they landed on the planet.Oh OK. So the T.A.R.D.I.S no longer has a Zero room? I wasn't 100% sure on that. No wonder he is having trouble with regenerating.

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 03:04 AM
Doesn't look like it, does it?

Alipeeps
June 25th, 2007, 03:07 AM
Ok, this is a monor thing, but it bugs me all the same.

The bomb on the back of Martha's TV.

Dynamite?

This is the 21st century for Heaven's sakes, who actually uses dynamite these days?

Wouldn't a slab of C-4 plastic explosive been more appropriate?


As for the dynamite, BruTak, I thought it was pretty funny, myself. I figured it was just the Master being quirky again. *shrug*

I thought that too... the Master and his zany sense of humour having fun with it and using a big old ACME-styleee bomb. He obviously *wanted* them to find it, after all...



1) Given the writers fondness for anagrams (they've come up throughout the series and the mystery surounding this new enemy. Can anyone come up with an anagram for TOCLAFANE that matches something from the old series.

I also noticed this time that the master said (or was it the doctor) that the toclafane were a story told to galifreyan children.


The Doctor said there was no such thing as the Toclafane and that the Toclafane was the equivalent of the bogeyman to Gallifreyan children.

The Master then mentioned being told stories of the Toclafane as a child...


Yes, now that I've played it back a few times, it definitely sounds to me like the underbeat from the Doctor Who theme Saxon and everyone else was tapping out.

Sorry, I thought that was common knowledge? RTD actually referenced it at the time of the Season 3 trailer (when we first saw footage of The Master in his gas mask tapping out the rhythm on the table), explaining that the rhythm he was tapping is actually the beat from the theme music.

Darkstar 2.0
June 25th, 2007, 03:09 AM
Phew, I long for seeing a great load of old episodes, I'm young but haven't seen really any before the revival came.

Loved the episode, Not sure of the Toclafane tho, seem like a toy you'd buy for kids a Xmas, like the cybermen head unit lol!!

I wonder do the Toclafane do kids homework, anyway, this can't be the end of the human race on earth:

[1] We've all seen the human race in all it's glory far in the future abeit but in many numbers and hybrid races, it's strange that in all the Doctors mianderings through time, one would perhaps download from a central network or database all recent infomation to try and learn more about this era's culture, be that history, customs, currency, and what not to wear!

Having said that, my point is in all the journey's nowhere has it been said or hinted that the human race ever almost eneded in 2008, nor did the human race die off when Earth was blown away by the dying sun, they took to new Earth and succame to vanity which as we have seen killed the topsiders and saved the people below stuck.

P.S What exacly is inside the tardis, aside from the claokroom and the bridge for lack of a better word, I've never seen or heard of other rooms or places within the TARDIS before this thread!?

any info would be great :D

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 03:12 AM
Hands up all those who can't stop tapping out the rhythm? :D

Tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tap...

*Puts up hand*

docballen
June 25th, 2007, 03:13 AM
TOCLAFANE (http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=TOCLAFANE&t=1000)
Logopolis maybe?
Rastillon?



I looked at the list you supplied under the word "Toclafane" and there's one problem with it.

It has a listing that is made up of "real" words. The theory is that TOCLAFANE is an anagram of something in the Dr Who universe, so they won't be "real" words. If you look up the names Logopolis ar Rassilon (for example), they are "made up" words.

Or I tried moving one letter on the key board.

t=r o=i c=x l=k a=capslock f=d n=b and e=w. rixkdbw. Hmm

t=y o=p c=v l=; a=s f=g n=m and e=r ypv;sgmr . No dice there either.

I think in The LAst of the Timelords we'll get our answer. (I know-- who wants to wait that long?!?)

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 03:19 AM
P.S What exacly is inside the tardis, aside from the claokroom and the bridge for lack of a better word, I've never seen or heard of other rooms or places within the TARDIS before this thread!?

any info would be great :D

Well, since the TARDIS is dimensionally transcendental (try saying that when you've had a few pints...) it be more a question of what isn't inside it.

In the classic era, we saw various bedrooms for various companions (presumably with en suite facilities), a couple of laboratory/workroom areas, a secondary console room (all Victorian-style wood panelling), and the aforementioned Zero Room.

In the Flash Animated story Scream of the Shalka, the Doctor (voiced by Richard E. Grant) has a line of dialogue "You left the umbrella stand in the Zeppellin hanger - again...".
A Zeppellin is an airship in case you were wondering.

That's all I can think of from memory.

Madeleine
June 25th, 2007, 03:21 AM
Hands up all those who can't stop tapping out the rhythm? :D

Tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tap...

*Puts up hand*

The barman in the back room of the pub last night. And a woman in the front room whose husband kept slapping her hand and telling her she was freaking him out.

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 03:24 AM
The barman in the back room of the pub last night. And a woman in the front room whose husband kept slapping her hand and telling her she was freaking him out.

:lol:

Ok gang, wherever you are today, whatever you're doing - just pick your moment, start tapping out the rhythm and see who reacts. ;)

Reefgirl
June 25th, 2007, 03:26 AM
P.S What exacly is inside the tardis, aside from the claokroom and the bridge for lack of a better word, I've never seen or heard of other rooms or places within the TARDIS before this thread!?
I do remember Tegan coming across a Walled Garden type thing when she was 'looking for the phone' in Logopolis and while searching for conformation I found this of the BBC's Dr Who site

The TARDIS cloisters are seen for the first time. The Cloister Bell is described as 'a sort of communication device reserved for wild catastrophes and sudden calls to man the battle stations'. The Doctor states that the TARDIS was in Gallifrey for repairs when he 'borrowed' her. ('There were rather pressing reasons at the time'.) There are references to the TARDIS' (faulty) chameleon circuit.

Anubis69
June 25th, 2007, 03:51 AM
:lol:

Ok gang, wherever you are today, whatever you're doing - just pick your moment, start tapping out the rhythm and see who reacts. ;)
Pun intended?

I did it at work last night. People just looked confused. :rolleyes:

The most worrying part was when I heard it. Turns out someone had heard my beat and taken over... And that guy most certainly does not watch Who.

Reefgirl
June 25th, 2007, 03:54 AM
I'm gonna see what happens tonight when I'm at work, maybe I can get the ghost's doing it, that'll freak everyone out

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Pun intended?

I did it at work last night. People just looked confused. :rolleyes:

The most worrying part was when I heard it. Turns out someone had heard my beat and taken over... And that guy most certainly does not watch Who.

Eeek!:eek:

It's contagious! :D

Promethius30
June 25th, 2007, 07:24 AM
I have to say this is the new Dr who episode there has been yet cant wait for next week

Commander Ivanova
June 25th, 2007, 07:53 AM
Just spent an amazing hour catching up on this weekend's Who while scraping the mud from under my fingernails. Now I understand what those kids on the train were doing this morning with all the annoying finger-drumming.

Verdict: Pure TV heaven. Off now to watch it again.

Commander Jumper
June 25th, 2007, 08:03 AM
I'd tap it... mind you no one would respond till well into September... (I'm in the US) but hey after it airs on SciFi I'll be sure to tap it out in class with Cara (my fellow geek buddy who loves DW) She'll prolly catch on... till then... I'll remember to tap it and such :p :D... maybe some one in my family will pick up the beat...

Pitry
June 25th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Sigh, the only peiople whowould get it are my friends who watche dit with me, and I doubt I could tap it and maintain a straight face near them. I'll try...

Tardis
June 25th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Oh, so many things.....

1. The rare look at Time Lord society.
2. At last a fuller explanation of how The Master and The Doctor came to be who and how they are.
3. John Saxon revealed, along with the mystery of why Martha's mother has had a mad on for the Doctor.
4. The return of UNIT, the Valiant, the tie in to Torchwood.
5. Laser screwdriver!
6. The Master again proving that he is the baddest bad-ass in all time and space.

Finally, that rhythm: da-da-da-dum da-da-da-dum da-da-da-dum. That is completely going to become the secret Doctor Who fan knock. I can see it now. Someone walks into a crowded room at a business function, casually goes da-da-da-dum da-da-da-dum on a table. Instantly several heads swivel over and people who have never met before gather togeather knowing they have a link.

Spooky action, at a distance!

Mamid
June 25th, 2007, 10:43 AM
*kicks hubby off her computer*

didn't you see the people swivel when I was drumming it yesterday at the mall?

*snicker*

it is such a call to arms. And it is in all the theme music from all the doctors. Not as drums, but as a quick 4 cord repeated theme throughout.

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 10:57 AM
John Saxon revealed

Bit of a Freudian slip there Tardis old chap - you mean Harold Saxon, surely?

John Saxon was a porn star. ;)

Missster.Freeman
June 25th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Sorry, I thought that was common knowledge? RTD actually referenced it at the time of the Season 3 trailer (when we first saw footage of The Master in his gas mask tapping out the rhythm on the table), explaining that the rhythm he was tapping is actually the beat from the theme music.Hmm. I had no idea. That's news to me. I never saw the series three trailer with RTD and would never have known to look for it on the internet. What channel was it on?

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 11:48 AM
BBC1, immediately after the ep "42". It was a "rest of series" teaser because the show was off-air the next week because of the Eurovision Song Contest.

*tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tap...*

Mamid
June 25th, 2007, 11:55 AM
that damn tapitytap is in torchwood!

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Egad! My notoriously bad memory has just dredged up something interesting...

AC/DC's 1990 epic Thunderstruck (track one on the album The Razor's Edge) has a line "Sound of the drums, beatin' in my heart".

Missster.Freeman
June 25th, 2007, 12:08 PM
BBC1, immediately after the ep "42". It was a "rest of series" teaser because the show was off-air the next week because of the Eurovision Song Contest.

*tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tap...*Yep I remember watching that one after the ep, but I never saw the one with Russell T Davies explaining the rhythm. :confused:

Damn, I can't stop tapping it out either. I became aware of myself tapping the drumbeat out on the banister in the close as I was heading out last night. :S

BruTak
June 25th, 2007, 12:11 PM
Yep I remember watching that one after the ep, but I never saw the one with Russell T Davies explaining the rhythm. :confused:

Damn, I can't stop tapping it out either. I became aware of myself tapping the drumbeat out on the banister in the close as I was heading out last night. :S

I think the RTD thing might have been on the BBC website.

Blitz
June 25th, 2007, 12:49 PM
I know this is a REALLY thick question - but I cant for the life of me think what it was called - but what was the song that the master played when the Tocla's all appeared?

Hulabaloo
June 25th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Voodoo Child - Rogue Traders. I do beleive.

Oh and quick question, does the Master really love his wife?

Madeleine
June 25th, 2007, 01:02 PM
I think he likes her. Likes her enough that if any of the TARDIS gang take her out, he'll be extra angry with them. Likes her enough that he'd need a really good reason to kill or sacrifice her... but a tenner says that if the goodies don't get rid of her, then kill or sacrifice her is exactly what the story will require him to do. Then he'll mourn, very deeply, for anything up to forty seconds.

Pitry
June 25th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Egad! My notoriously bad memory has just dredged up something interesting...

AC/DC's 1990 epic Thunderstruck (track one on the album The Razor's Edge) has a line "Sound of the drums, beatin' in my heart".

I was hoping for Kula Shaker. They have a whole song named Sound of Drums!

oh, adn success! Liz's birthday party, the four of us tapped away :) bwaha.

Master's wife - I do think he genuinly likes her. It could be itneresting tho, I'd've liked to see a situation where he's reluctant to sacrifice her.

ShadowMaat
June 25th, 2007, 01:29 PM
I could go tapity-tap until my fingers fell off and no one here would notice. *sigh*

As for Mrs. Saxon... I dunno. Does he like her or does he just think he likes her? Or is he just playing along and has something particularly dreadful planned for her? I keep picturing a small boy who's captured a butterfly... it's only a matter of time before he pulls the pretty wings off to see what happens.

Commander Ivanova
June 25th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I was hoping for Kula Shaker. They have a whole song named Sound of Drums!


I think they missed a trick there, good call.

ShadowMaat
June 25th, 2007, 02:14 PM
Maybe they tried and couldn't get the rights or something.

Or they need to replace their song hunter. :P

Pitry
June 25th, 2007, 02:35 PM
I'm not so sure. While I definitely like the Kula Shaker song better (offtopic: I'm going to a gig in London in October SQUEEEEEE! [/offtopic]) I think mood-wise the Voodoo Child one fit the scene better, botht he "here come the drums" rather than the "I hear the sound of drums" line and the entire mood. Can't see Lucy Saxon dancing to KS, tho that'd be a hoot.

...I was hoping for it to turn up in confidential, tho, bah. They need to replace that song hunter! :D

P-90_177
June 25th, 2007, 02:36 PM
I could go tapity-tap until my fingers fell off and no one here would notice. *sigh*

As for Mrs. Saxon... I dunno. Does he like her or does he just think he likes her? Or is he just playing along and has something particularly dreadful planned for her? I keep picturing a small boy who's captured a butterfly... it's only a matter of time before he pulls the pretty wings off to see what happens.

i still can't figure out that woman. she seems like a complete nutjob. she sort of reminds me of drusilla from buffy in some ways. but i can't figure out what she thinks she's getting out of it.

Mamid
June 25th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Toclaphane..

1: Gallifreyans who escaped the time war.

but, since there's 6 billion of them...

2: Utopia humans. After all, they were going off "somewhere" and Master did say that if he told Doctor what the Toclaphane were, it would break his hearts. It makes a perverted sense that the Toclaphane are humans that have also gone the dalek route.

and lastly...

what about calling in reinforcements. Torchwood? Sarah Jane and K9????

P-90_177
June 25th, 2007, 02:48 PM
Toclaphane..

1: Gallifreyans who escaped the time war.

but, since there's 6 billion of them...

2: Utopia humans. After all, they were going off "somewhere" and Master did say that if he told Doctor what the Toclaphane were, it would break his hearts. It makes a perverted sense that the Toclaphane are humans that have also gone the dalek route.

and lastly...

what about calling in reinforcements. Torchwood? Sarah Jane and K9????

they've already explained that jack couldn't get through to his team at torchwood cos they're in the himilayers. as for sarah jane and k9, well at the moment the only one at the minute which would have a hope of finding them is martha who doesn't even know of them.

Anubis69
June 25th, 2007, 03:04 PM
Maybe they tried and couldn't get the rights or something.

Or they need to replace their song hunter. :P
Because of the TV license, the BBC can use any song they want for free but can't show the album art without paying royalties.

Charlie Brooker taught me that nugget of information.

P-90_177
June 25th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Because of the TV license, the BBC can use any song they want for free but can't show the album art without paying royalties.

Charlie Brooker taught me that nugget of information.

thanks to the unique way the bbc is funded. ;)

Missster.Freeman
June 25th, 2007, 03:16 PM
thanks to the unique way the bbc is funded. ;)Yeah, by the people, for the people.

Ye know, I did think it a little cheesy when Voodoo Child came on. Hey don't shoot me though, it was good cheese. :D

Anubis69
June 25th, 2007, 03:30 PM
thanks to the unique way the bbc is funded. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7O65dk3SeQ

Fast forward to about 4.24 for the clearance stuff. (again with all his videos I've posted, I recommend watching it all.)

... Some might say my posting of that was pointless.




And they'd be right. +1 time wasting. w00t!

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
June 25th, 2007, 04:25 PM
A paradox is an event or object where its own existance means it cant exist. Its like going back in time and killing your grandfather. if he dies then you cant exist, so you cant go back in time to kill him so he lives. which means you do exist so you can go back in time to kill him. but then of course if you do that then you dont exist so you cant go back in time....

Just after The Master ages The Doctor he said 'the paradox machine has been running for 2 minutes'. my theory is that this will create a paradoxical timeline where all the events cease to exist once the machine is turned off/ destroyed. the paradox machine needs the power of the time vortex to operate and stop it from collapsing in on itself.

In the episode where Rose went back to when her dad died and stopped it from happening, The Doctor said it created a temporal paradox and would tear the fabric of space time apart (or something to that effect, been a while since i saw the episode) and adult Rose holding baby Rose strengthened the paradox.

maybe The Master needed the TARDIS to create the paradox machine as it was the only thing with enough power to bring the Toclaphane to Earth from whatever dimension they come from?

Of course the most important question is what is the paradox that the paradox machine is creating?

TheBlueDragon
June 25th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Did anyone who watched the Doctor Who Episode 'The Sound of Drums' happen to notice how the city thing of the time lords on Galifrey looks a lot like Atlantis?

Or is it just me? lol

Locutus_Of_Borg
June 25th, 2007, 07:17 PM
I was about to say "wrong thread" lol (although its just been moved)

But yeah, it does have a remakable resemblence to Atlantis, that's what I thought when I first saw it while watching it.

Atlantis

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/data//504/medium/Sunset.jpg

The Citadel Of The Timelords

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/Locutus1701/vlcsnap-71604.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/Locutus1701/vlcsnap-69832.png

ShadowMaat
June 25th, 2007, 07:27 PM
Since Gallifrey came first the real question should be "Doesn't Atlantis look like the capital of Gallifrey?" :P

*double checks to make sure she's in the right place this time*

Mamid
June 25th, 2007, 09:51 PM
quit it. My mind is going nuts about a fanfic... okay, two of them.

one - The doctor (sans companions) shows up at my doorstep with the tardis. He's badly injured. Took a header off the consol or something.

two - he's not alone, but the ones that survived are the pacifists and they know that they have to stay hidden if the time lords are to rebuild...

just trying to sort the two of them out, eh.

OaTmEaLfAiRy
June 25th, 2007, 10:26 PM
I have a question, though I don't know if I have to put *Spoiler* before it, as this thread is chock full of spoilers. Anyway, just in case...

What was with the 100 year aging? The doctor is 900-something (25 or 45?)already and looking yummy, so why would another 100 years make him look that old?

Kidwizz
June 25th, 2007, 11:21 PM
^ hmmm good question, but maybe it was another 100 years as the current body. so he's old but not dead, cause if he killed him then he would regenerate..

Willow'sCat
June 25th, 2007, 11:28 PM
I have a question, though I don't know if I have to put *Spoiler* before it, as this thread is chock full of spoilers. Anyway, just in case...

What was with the 100 year aging? The doctor is 900-something (25 or 45?)already and looking yummy, so why would another 100 years make him look that old?
During his regenerations he doesn't 'really' physically age. Here with the help of the Lazarus machine tech he is physically ageing.

BruTak
June 26th, 2007, 12:07 AM
I was about to say "wrong thread" lol (although its just been moved)

But yeah, it does have a remakable resemblence to Atlantis, that's what I thought when I first saw it while watching it.

Atlantis

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/data//504/medium/Sunset.jpg

The Citadel Of The Timelords

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/Locutus1701/vlcsnap-71604.png

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/Locutus1701/vlcsnap-69832.png

Hmmm... Similarites, yes I grant you. But wasn't there a similar furore over New New York in "Gridlock"? Surely one sci-fi city with gleaming spire-type architecture looks much like another.

Commander Ivanova
June 26th, 2007, 12:21 AM
Hmmm... Similarites, yes I grant you. But wasn't there a similar furore over New New York in "Gridlock"? Surely one sci-fi city with gleaming spire-type architecture looks much like another.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But even my other half, who's not at all much into 'Gate despite my best efforts, said 'Atlantis' and 'Stargate' on seeing the city and schism respectively.

Sleepy_Insomniac
June 26th, 2007, 01:52 AM
There has been some discussion about the Master and his wife without making the obvious connection... in Lucy (that is her name right?) it seems the master has taken a companion. I find it interesting because unlike you would expect the relationship is not a twisted mirror of the doctor's relationship with Rose and/or Martha but instead a marriage. I thought it intregueing how well they seemed to get on and how unmasterly he acts towards her, there is almost the feeling of,well not necessarily equals,but of respect. I initially though she was merely his audience but I think it is more than that. It almost makes the Master look like he really could be redemed and is not too different than the Doctor after all.

BruTak
June 26th, 2007, 01:57 AM
Hmmm... You raise an interesting point, Sleepy Insomniac. To the best of my knowledge, the Master has never had a "companion" as such, merely a succession of underling hypnotised to do his bidding.

However, my notoriously bad memory could be playing tricks on me. :)

Reefgirl
June 26th, 2007, 02:21 AM
The Master's never had a companion but if the Master's plan was to become PM and rule Britian so he could rule the world and British politics being what it is ATM, he'd need to establish himself as a happily married, scandal free politicion that everyone liked and could identify with, so having a wife would make him more electable than if he was single

P-90_177
June 26th, 2007, 04:26 AM
The Master's never had a companion but if the Master's plan was to become PM and rule Britian so he could rule the world and British politics being what it is ATM, he'd need to establish himself as a happily married, scandal free politicion that everyone liked and could identify with, so having a wife would make him more electable than if he was single

i don't think he needed to be married. he's a good enough a manipulator not to need it. but his wife did say that he was very good to her father. that may mean tht her father was how the master first got a foothold into politics. after that he either saw further use for her or she knew too much. i'm still not discounting the possibility that he really does care for her.

P-90_177
June 26th, 2007, 05:10 AM
During his regenerations he doesn't 'really' physically age. Here with the help of the Lazarus machine tech he is physically ageing.

well i'm sure he does but i'm sure it should be at a very slow rate. the second doctyor once said that he was 450 years old. meaning that the first must have been more or less the same..........of course if a timelords life span is about 450 years naturally then the doctor really hasn't done well going through 9 regenerations and only be 900.

Darkstar 2.0
June 26th, 2007, 05:12 AM
The flip side of the coin is, how do we know that the Master's Wife has not got a plan of her own, she doesn't seem too bothered by the fact he's a bad guy, nor does she seem assed that aliens are taking over, or in fact her spouce is an alien and an evil one at that........you known what they say, evil breeds evil and to exercise a confident persona in each others comapny in the light of people being killed left right and anywhere between.

She seems to relish the though of anhialation as much as the master if not more, it's the reserved looking people and the quiet one's you really need to look out for, I wouldl't be supprised to see her betray the Master and inadvertantly save the day much to his dismay and feeling of being really betrayed an lulled into a false sense of love, humans are very devious when they need to be, and absolute power.......corrupts absolutely.


:D

P-90_177
June 26th, 2007, 05:21 AM
The flip side of the coin is, how do we know that the Master's Wife has not got a plan of her own, she doesn't seem too bothered by the fact he's a bad guy, nor does she seem assed that aliens are taking over, or in fact her spouce is an alien and an evil one at that........you known what they say, evil breeds evil and to exercise a confident persona in each others comapny in the light of people being killed left right and anywhere between.

She seems to relish the though of anhialation as much as the master if not more, it's the reserved looking people and the quiet one's you really need to look out for, I wouldl't be supprised to see her betray the Master and inadvertantly save the day much to his dismay and feeling of being really betrayed an lulled into a false sense of love, humans are very devious when they need to be, and absolute power.......corrupts absolutely.

:D

nah i think she's a complete psycho. possibly the master just promised her power or maybe she just doesn't like the world she lives in.

Anubis69
June 26th, 2007, 05:46 AM
i don't think he needed to be married. he's a good enough a manipulator not to need it. but his wife did say that he was very good to her father. that may mean tht her father was how the master first got a foothold into politics. after that he either saw further use for her or she knew too much. i'm still not discounting the possibility that he really does care for her.
True... The kisses they shared were fairly passionate.

Alipeeps
June 26th, 2007, 06:44 AM
Yep I remember watching that one after the ep, but I never saw the one with Russell T Davies explaining the rhythm. :confused:



I think the RTD thing might have been on the BBC website.

Sorry.. perhaps my original post wasn't very clear... the trailer I am talking about is the same one you saw, the one after 42. RTD confirming that the rhythm Saxon taps out in the promo is that from the theme music wasn't in a promo... it was a separate issue (but one which has already been discussed on these forums, hence why I thought it was widely-known) and I think probably was, as BruTak mentions, on the official BBC website (either that or on Confidential.. but I suspect it was from the website).

BruTak
June 26th, 2007, 07:10 AM
I have a feeling that the beats - tappity-tap, tappity-tap - are going to turn into the Whovian (yes that is the collective name for Dr. Who fans) "secret handshake".

A recognition signal to weed out the unbelievers so to speak. ;)

ShadowMaat
June 26th, 2007, 07:13 AM
I was half-convinced I could hear that tappity-tap noise outside my room when I was trying to go to sleep. *shiver* I know it was just my imagination, but it was still a weird moment.

BruTak
June 26th, 2007, 07:15 AM
I still think the best line was "What this country needs, right now... Is a Doctor." :)

Reefgirl
June 26th, 2007, 07:48 AM
The grin Saxon gave after that remark was so much like Tony Blair's it was spooky, I wonder if John Simm studied TB so he could get the insincere politician's smile right

Hulabaloo
June 26th, 2007, 08:14 AM
I have a feeling that the beats - tappity-tap, tappity-tap - are going to turn into the Whovian (yes that is the collective name for Dr. Who fans) "secret handshake".

A recognition signal to weed out the unbelievers so to speak. ;)

I'm gonna start doing that it in my classes to see if anyone recognises it.

As for the Master and his Wife. I think that his wife actually has feelings for him, maybe even loves him. Im not sure about her being...evil.

When the Gallifrey Citadel my words were, "That looks a lot like Atlantis." But I'll go with Atlantis copying Doctor Who ;)

ShadowMaat
June 26th, 2007, 08:44 AM
I believe my thought was, "Aw crap! Now people are gonna say it looks like Atlantis!" ;)

VirtualCLD
June 26th, 2007, 08:46 AM
A paradox is an event or object where its own existance means it cant exist. Its like going back in time and killing your grandfather. if he dies then you cant exist, so you cant go back in time to kill him so he lives. which means you do exist so you can go back in time to kill him. but then of course if you do that then you dont exist so you cant go back in time....

Just after The Master ages The Doctor he said 'the paradox machine has been running for 2 minutes'. my theory is that this will create a paradoxical timeline where all the events cease to exist once the machine is turned off/ destroyed. the paradox machine needs the power of the time vortex to operate and stop it from collapsing in on itself.

Of course the most important question is what is the paradox that the paradox machine is creating?

This just reinforces my belief that (not official spoilers, but speculation):
the Toclaphane are the humans who went to Utopia. If the humans are pulled from the future (as the Toclaphane) and start "decimating" (have to agree with Madeline_W on the original use of that word :D ) their ancestors then it's a paradox that only this paradox machine can maintain. I also suspect Pharaoh Hamenthotep is right in that when they eventually shut down the machine, everything will revert back to 08:02. As much as I hate the old "Reset Button" plot device, that's the only way I see this storyline resolving itself.

uknesvuinng
June 26th, 2007, 09:07 AM
nah i think she's a complete psycho. possibly the master just promised her power or maybe she just doesn't like the world she lives in.

Apparently, I'm the only one that seems to recall that somehow she's linked with the toclafane. She acted as though she was one at some points. I'm thinking it's rather likely she's not exactly human, either.

ShadowMaat
June 26th, 2007, 09:31 AM
This is one instance where the "reset button" would be literal. ;) I think I can live with that much more easily than having terrible things happen that have no effect on anything by the next ep.

DigiFluid
June 26th, 2007, 09:43 AM
I just rewatched TSoD for the second (third?) time, and every time I'm more taken with just how gorgeous a woman she is. Could be just that I'm a sucker for a girl with an accent, but she is just stunning.

Now that I've got that little hormonal outburst out of the way...

Second week in a row where we've had a terrific cliffhanger...awesome. I was a little disappointed at the ease of escape from the end of 'Utopia' but after the episode got rolling I didn't care so much anymore, it was that good. There was so much about this episode that was good, it's hard to separate out the bad.

Hulabaloo
June 26th, 2007, 10:06 AM
It was so good that, for the first time. Im actually considering buying those DVDs that come out with individual eps on them...

the_fours
June 26th, 2007, 10:26 AM
Loved this ep it was fantastic and had a great cliffhanger at thye end. I also enjoyed Simm's master, great character. Was also good to see the Torchwood reference, along with the Torchwood music being used.

Reefgirl
June 26th, 2007, 02:00 PM
I've had another watch of the trailer for The Last of the Timelords, and
I'll put good money on the fact that the Dark haired Pc Kline from the Bill guy from Utopia was in it

BruTak
June 26th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Ok, this is spooky... I was watching my Torchwood DVDs, specifically ep. 4 "Cyberwoman".

I am willing to swear on a stack of bibles, in any court you'd care to nominate, that the drumbeats made an appearance. Right at the very end when Ianto comes back to the Hub the day after Lisa/Cyberwoman is killed.

Listen carefully. It's there, I'm sure of it...

lord-anubis
June 26th, 2007, 03:10 PM
every thing that could be said has been said so i just say wow great ep can't wait for next week to see how the doctor going to save the world this time doesnt look good so far.

docballen
June 26th, 2007, 04:32 PM
The Master is trying to "outdo" the Doctor.

1) He stole his Tardis. Finally. The Master has had designs on the Doctor's TARDIS for a long, long time. (And the Doctor takes personal pride when he sabotages The Master's Tardis.)

2) The Master called Lucy "his companion". Not only is she devoted but they are married-- something The Doctor has never done (showing that level of commitment to his companion.)

3) "Mine's bigger..." and by that I mean, not just a Sonic Screwdriver... a LAZER screwdriver. The Doctor has never aged someone deliberately with his sonic screwdriver...

4) The Master is decimating the population of Doctor's favorite planet-- and the Doctor has to just stand there and watch. (Well, we get a whole episode to solve that one...)

5) That final scene with The Master and The Doctor felt like he was saying, "Look, my final trophy..." It had the same attitude of a fisherman displaying the huge fish that he just caught. I mean, he had mentioned earlier that he was going to regenerate into a younger man-- didn't he say something like "It's not fair that you are young and I am old??" (I must be dreaming...)


I don't believe there were six billion people in that rocket to Utopia. I also don't believe there were six billion Time Lords. But there are six billion Toclafane. And what are the "other" Toclafane going to do if only one-in-ten Toclafane are killers??? (That's what decimate means...)

Favorite Line: "I can just kill him again later." (OK I need to see this episode again to get the line correct. You know which line I mean.)

Tardis
June 26th, 2007, 04:40 PM
The Toklafane are the humans from Utopia in my opinion. My reasons for this:

1. Utopia actually means 'no place', so the humans were not actually going anywhere to escape the end of the universe. But if they not going to a place perhaps they are going to a 'when'.

2. The 'if I told you, your hearts would break' line of the Master's. What would break the Doctor's heart more than to see the race that he cares for almost as much as his own become a bunch of dalek-like killers.

3. The paradox machine and the cloister bell. The cloister bell only goes off during great emergencies. An ontologol (sp) paradox fits the bill nicely to cover both items. The paradox machine to allow the descendants of humanity to kill their ancestors and the cloister bell to sound the alarm to the violation of time and space.

Anyway just my two pence. I could be amazingly right or completely off. Either way the next episode is not going to be missed.

Mamid
June 27th, 2007, 12:53 AM
I was pretty sure that the cloister bell was going off because of the rape and violations the Master did to the poor girl. You'd be screaming too if someone were to try to cannibalize you and you were a living machine like the Tardis.

and... where can I submit my fan story of the Doctor? I got one of two done.

BruTak
June 27th, 2007, 12:57 AM
www.fanfiction.net is a good choice. But I have to warn you, the interface for uploading stories isn't exactly what you'd call "user friendly".

Anyway, the tapping - tappity-tap, tappity-tap. Is it just me, or does it also spell out the letter V in Morse code?

P-90_177
June 27th, 2007, 01:05 AM
www.fanfiction.net is a good choice. But I have to warn you, the interface for uploading stories isn't exactly what you'd call "user friendly".

Anyway, the tapping - tappity-tap, tappity-tap. Is it just me, or does it also spell out the letter V in Morse code?

does it? lol. That is probably just coincidence though. Good catch though.

Mamid
June 27th, 2007, 01:14 AM
V is ...-
H is ....

I think H is more likely - as the first letter of "HELP!!!!!"

Willow'sCat
June 27th, 2007, 01:20 AM
You'd be screaming too if someone were to try to cannibalize you and you were a living machine like the Tardis.I did think of that but then it seems to me it is still more about the greater danger to The Doctor, and (in this case) the Earth and maybe the Universe.:S

Personally I can go with either and/or. :D

BruTak
June 27th, 2007, 01:22 AM
V is ...-
H is ....

I think H is more likely - as the first letter of "HELP!!!!!"

Hmmm... I dunno, I'm still going with V, cos the "accent" of the tapping seems to be on the last one.

Tappity-TAP, tappity-TAP.

Reefgirl
June 27th, 2007, 02:05 AM
I don't have any problems with ff.net and their uploading, they've done a lot of 'Under the Bonnet' work on their server and it's a lot better

BruTak
June 27th, 2007, 02:10 AM
I don't have any problems with ff.net and their uploading, they've done a lot of 'Under the Bonnet' work on their server and it's a lot better

Well, I'll take your word for that RG. You're the expert, considering how many stories you've posted on ff.net, while I have but a single solitary one on the site.

Hulabaloo
June 27th, 2007, 12:57 PM
Ive got some on ff.net. None Doctor Who so far though. I agree with RG, they're uploading is pretty good. Woo three days!

Reefgirl
June 27th, 2007, 01:43 PM
Last count was 63 stories on ff.net for me, including many multi chapters so that's one hell of a lot of writing in 18 months

BruTak
June 27th, 2007, 01:47 PM
I've got loads of stuff up on the SG-999 website, I'm just hesitant to port it over to ff.net cos I'd lose all the formatting and whatnot. I'd also have to probably write an intorductory SG-999 story, explaining how and why the team was formed etc.

Tappity-tap, tappity-tap, tappity-tap - help! I can't stop myself!

Reefgirl
June 27th, 2007, 02:38 PM
I've stopped writing the Atlantis stuff for the moment, Dr Who's taken over

Edit :eek: I can hear gunfire, seriously I can hear gunfire at the back of my house, maybe it's night time practise at Browndown

Flyboy
June 28th, 2007, 03:12 AM
I'm stilling bouncing about the fact that the President-Saxon meeting on the runway occured on my runway, and when I watched the ep I was a mere 100 metres away from where that took place.

But WONDERFUL ep!

BruTak
June 28th, 2007, 03:17 AM
You'll be putting for a transfer to UNIT then? ;)

Flyboy
June 28th, 2007, 04:51 AM
You'll be putting for a transfer to UNIT then? ;)
Who says I haven't already been accepted? ;)

P-90_177
June 28th, 2007, 04:53 AM
cos your sig still says RAF ;)

Flyboy
June 28th, 2007, 08:40 AM
*coughs and points*

Hulabaloo
June 28th, 2007, 08:41 AM
I've stopped writing the Atlantis stuff for the moment, Dr Who's taken over

Edit :eek: I can hear gunfire, seriously I can hear gunfire at the back of my house, maybe it's night time practise at Browndown

Your fics are good. Ill start reading some soon. Hmmm gunfire? Scary!

Reefgirl
June 28th, 2007, 08:56 AM
:o thanks, I'm writing a smutty Jack/Martha one at the moment, I make a point of not going for usual pairings and I'm renowned in parts of GW for my Adult Fic writing :o

Gun fire is not unusual around here, there's a firing range at Browndown camp and when it's the Queen's birthday or Trafalgar Day we get 21 gun salute's over the harbour and the Field Gun Race

BruTak
June 28th, 2007, 08:58 AM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f158/Silent-Ninja/62e92852.jpg
I'm doing my part. :D

Mamid
June 28th, 2007, 09:51 AM
I put my twiddle on my LJ page but slipped it under "friends" because I didn't want just anyone reading it. I can put it elsewhere if someone else wants to read it.

OaTmEaLfAiRy
June 28th, 2007, 10:32 AM
During his regenerations he doesn't 'really' physically age. Here with the help of the Lazarus machine tech he is physically ageing.

I know this is an old post, but: All I know is they'd better put him back. Get a wraith in there or something. Otherwise I will stop watching.

Hulabaloo
June 28th, 2007, 11:08 AM
^Yea. I think they do. You can't really have him that age, he's too tired to do anything.

Alipeeps
June 28th, 2007, 11:12 AM
I know this is an old post, but: All I know is they'd better put him back. Get a wraith in there or something. Otherwise I will stop watching.

Have you seen the second trailer?.. ;) Take a look here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/).

ShadowMaat
June 28th, 2007, 01:40 PM
I know this is an old post, but: All I know is they'd better put him back. Get a wraith in there or something. Otherwise I will stop watching.

It's fairly obvious they're going to restore him. Even disregarding the amount of makeup David would have to wear every day and the amount of time it'd take to apply it there's the fact that having a Doctor who's too old/feeble to move around on his own wouldn't be much fun. ;)

Plus, it's hard to draw in a female audience with a lead character who looks like great-grampa. :P

Pitry
June 28th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Plus, it's hard to draw in a female audience with a lead character who looks like great-grampa. :P

Or gay male audience :P

Reefgirl
June 28th, 2007, 01:51 PM
Or gay male audience :P

I thought that's what Torchwood was for :lol:

Willow'sCat
June 28th, 2007, 02:59 PM
I thought that's what Torchwood was for :lol:So did I but I was wrong. :(
I so want a The Master/The Doctor fic now! :D *such a cute, insane couple*

Hulabaloo
June 28th, 2007, 03:03 PM
Theres loads of those around. Just be careful what you find ;)

BruTak
June 28th, 2007, 03:05 PM
I'm just hoping that John Simm gets to deliver one the Master's trademark lines - "I am the Master, and you will obey me..." :)

Willow'sCat
June 28th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Theres loads of those around. Just be careful what you find Oh you obviously don't know my reading habits. :P


I'm just hoping that John Simm gets to deliver one the Master's trademark lines - "I am the Master, and you will obey meHehe, I loved their little banter about The Doctor calling him Master... :P *gutter*

Hulabaloo
June 28th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Lol, okay fair enough.

I thought the phone call was very funny. :D

Nuallain
June 29th, 2007, 03:23 AM
It's even funnier in txtspk (http://nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com/1336208.html). (It's a bit rude, BTW)

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 03:28 AM
that's kinda weird but pretty damn funny.

Mattathias2.0
June 29th, 2007, 10:42 AM
This episode was... amazing. All I can say is... we are screwed!

I feel so bad for Martha's family, but then her mother more or less was looking out for herself in 42.

The Doctor discovering Jack works for Torchwood was neat.

The clips of Gallifrey was awesome.

I am not completely sure what to think what the Tolcafane actually are. I want to say Daleks, but they display nothing of Dalek behavior. Maybe they are Axons? Something I noticed about them as well. They were speaking of a coming darkness. Something dark coming after them, from wherever they came from.

In any case, I knew Martha would be the one who has to save the world, because Rose did in her first year. I also look forward to the episode being extra long from the usual. Awesome!

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 11:42 AM
yeah i also noticed the coming darkness reference....i wonder what that is about.....

Also you're right about both martha saving the day like rose did....it will probably be a recurring theme with other companions.

Mattathias2.0
June 29th, 2007, 12:00 PM
yeah i also noticed the coming darkness reference....i wonder what that is about.....

Also you're right about both martha saving the day like rose did....it will probably be a recurring theme with other companions.

I am also looking for next years theme in these episodes. Just as Torchwood was mentioned in "Bad Wolf", and Saxon was mentioned in "Love & Monsters", next years theme is in fact somewhere in all this. Likely though we won't know for sure until Dec. 25th 2007.

BruTak
June 29th, 2007, 12:10 PM
It'll be something that seemed unimportant at the time. Keep your eyes open for anything unusual...

Reefgirl
June 29th, 2007, 01:59 PM
It's even funnier in txtspk (http://nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com/1336208.html). (It's a bit rude, BTW)
:lol: that was good

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 02:02 PM
I am also looking for next years theme in these episodes. Just as Torchwood was mentioned in "Bad Wolf", and Saxon was mentioned in "Love & Monsters", next years theme is in fact somewhere in all this. Likely though we won't know for sure until Dec. 25th 2007.

torchwood was mentioned in bad wolf? really? where?

Madeleine
June 29th, 2007, 02:06 PM
The Anne Droid asked "the thingumajig was built on the ruins of which ancient Earth institution?"

Answer: "Torchwood"

(I paraphrased there. You may have noticed :o)

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 02:09 PM
lol.

nope definately never noticed that. i'll re-watch it when i get back home.

BruTak
June 29th, 2007, 02:22 PM
"The Great Cobalt Pyramid was built on the ruins of the famous Old Earth Torchwood Institute." :)

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 02:25 PM
so.....canary warf then...........

BruTak
June 29th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Yeah.

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 02:27 PM
cool.

BruTak
June 29th, 2007, 02:31 PM
What do people have against Canary Wharf Tower BTW? I can think of at least two other instances (one in a TV show, one in a comic) where it's the source of all evil.

Weird...

P-90_177
June 29th, 2007, 02:33 PM
what are the others?

Reefgirl
June 29th, 2007, 02:39 PM
It's been bombed in RL too

BruTak
June 29th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Um... Hang on... This is all from memory y'see...

Ok, about ten years or so ago there was a remake of the classic 70s kids sci-fi show The Tomorrow People. One of the stories "The Ramases Connection" had the Canary Wharf Tower as a giant lightning conducter-thingy to channel mystical energy.

Then about the same time there was a strip in 2000AD comic - damned if I can remember what it was called though - that was about a guy and his girlfriend who were freelance computer engineers. The girl died (in Canary Wharf Tower which was being used as a front for a take-over-the-world plot) but returned as a sort of Randal & Hopkirk-esque electronic ghost to help her boyfriend out of trouble.

Pitry
June 29th, 2007, 02:58 PM
Mmmph, considering that even after I knew there's a Saxon reference in Love & Monsters I still dind't find it (had to have someone tell me exactly where ti is), I'd go witht he "very possibly it's already been mentioned and is too subtle to notice.'

Evil, evil people. Just once, just this once I'd like to notice it on my own! :D

Tanduay
June 30th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Pig men = rubbish
Pointy teath whatever they where called = Garbage
Tolcafane = a load of balls :o

Tanduay
June 30th, 2007, 04:01 AM
What do people have against Canary Wharf Tower BTW? I can think of at least two other instances (one in a TV show, one in a comic) where it's the source of all evil.

Weird...

I used to live in south east London. That building screwed with tv reception a lot, maybe that is it. :cool:

BruTak
June 30th, 2007, 04:05 AM
Um... Hang on... This is all from memory y'see...

Ok, about ten years or so ago there was a remake of the classic 70s kids sci-fi show The Tomorrow People. One of the stories "The Ramases Connection" had the Canary Wharf Tower as a giant lightning conducter-thingy to channel mystical energy.

Then about the same time there was a strip in 2000AD comic - damned if I can remember what it was called though - that was about a guy and his girlfriend who were freelance computer engineers. The girl died (in Canary Wharf Tower which was being used as a front for a take-over-the-world plot) but returned as a sort of Randal & Hopkirk-esque electronic ghost to help her boyfriend out of trouble.

Forgive me for quoting myself (fnarr-fnarr) but I forgot to mention that in both cases Canary Wharf Tower was destroyed.

Anubis69
June 30th, 2007, 04:17 AM
Two nights in a row i've had a dream about Doctor Who.

The first one was basically me watching Last of the Time Lords and right as it gets good it says "TBC with the Christmas special." I was raging...

Second one featured an airport and elevators. It made no sense.

BruTak
June 30th, 2007, 04:22 AM
Two nights in a row i've had a dream about Doctor Who.

The first one was basically me watching Last of the Time Lords and right as it gets good it says "TBC with the Christmas special." I was raging...

Dreams are funny like that. But I don't think RTD would be cruel enough to leave us hanging for the better part of six months.


Second one featured an airport and elevators. It made no sense.

Too much cheese before bedtime methinks... ;)

Anubis69
June 30th, 2007, 08:40 AM
Dreams are funny like that. But I don't think RTD would be cruel enough to leave us hanging for the better part of six months.



Too much cheese before bedtime methinks... ;)
Yeah, I know. That would just destroy my soul. Both times though, i've woken up and sworn they were real. I hate dreams. What's the point?

Cheese? Excellent use of the cliché but I (true story) don't trust dairy products. Try again Master B. :P

BruTak
June 30th, 2007, 08:42 AM
Falling down water. Booze. Alcohol. DRINK!!!! :D