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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2911</FONT>
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When Captain Jack hitchhikes, the Doctor and Martha find themselves unexpectedly thrown farther into the future than even the Time Lords have gone. There they meet an aging professor and his assistant, who are working to save the last survivors of their planet by launching a rocket to a new utopian paradise.

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Billz
June 16th, 2007, 01:02 PM
So damn annoyed!!!
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=44783

the_fours
June 16th, 2007, 01:08 PM
An average episode, but oh such an AMAZING cliffhanger to end an episode with.

The Signal
June 16th, 2007, 01:09 PM
A good episode, with fantastic performances by Derek Jacobi, both John Barrowman, and John Simm, as well as David, Freema. But the fact that The Sun spoiled the whole bloody thing didn't help. There was just something about this episode that didn't sit right with me, something was missing from it. I look forward to the 2 part finale, and I'll add more later.

Rating: 7/10

Best Line: (paraphrasing) How about we have a chat and I tell you all of my plans so you can figure out a way to stop me?

P-90_177
June 16th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Oh that was a FANTASTIC episode all round.

Loved both incarnations of the master and having Jack back is great.

When the professor found that watch it almost gave me shivers.

I couldn't stand still.

BEST DOCTOR WHO EPISODE EVER.........AND THAT'S JUST FOR THE ENDING!!!

Alipeeps
June 16th, 2007, 01:10 PM
Holy crap! Is it next Saturday yet? Is it? Is it? *bounces*

This episode was amazing.... I have to admit here that I didn't see all of the Eccleston series of Dr Who so although I know Jack and have seen bits of episodes with him in, I am not up to date with the full history.. but even so.. wow. Jack and the Dr rocked. And the whole slow build up to the reveal of the Master. Fantastic. And Derek Jacobi.. nuff said! Just a brilliant, brilliant actor. I adored Jack and the Dr's conversation through the door of the containment room... stunning acting from the pair of them (and loved Russell Davies' explanation in Confidential that only in a life and death situation, with a *door* between them and a countdown and the thousands of lives at risk, do men finally choose to have a personal conversation and bare their souls! :lol:)

Tennant, as ever, was just brilliant and my god his face in the final confrontation with the Master and trying to get back into the Tardis. I was tensing up during that whole build up towards the end of the episode... from the reveal of the watch onwards. I found myself actually leaning forward in my seat in anticipation and murmuring despairingly.. "Arrrgghh... they're gonna end it there!!" :lol:

Oh and some fabulous, fabulous lines in this one too, mostly from Jack and the Dr. "Only man you'll ever be happy with.." :lol:

Sooo.... is it next week yet? *whines*

Alipeeps
June 16th, 2007, 01:13 PM
An average episode, but oh such an AMAZING cliffhanger to end an episode with.

Anyone else notice that that's now two episodes in a row that the Dr's gone and gotten himself stranded without the TARDIS? He really should be more careful with that thing... :D :D


A good episode, with fantastic performances by Derek Jacobi, both John Barrowman, and John Simm, as well as David, Freema. But the fact that The Sun spoiled the whole bloody thing didn't help.

ONe of the many, many upsides to not reading newspapers... :D

P-90_177
June 16th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Anyone else notice that that's now two episodes in a row that the Dr's gone and gotten himself stranded without the TARDIS? He really should be more careful with that thing... :D :D



ONe of the many, many upsides to not reading newspapers... :D

hehe. i read newspapers but not the sun......load of garbage anyway.

pbellosom
June 16th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Who else thought that when he said "Sorry" the Doctor was talking not to the Master (as he assumed) but to the TARDIS. He's clearly done something to it.

How did the Doctor know Jack's immortal?

When the Doctor compared the TARDIS to a sports car I laughed, I guess there's no-one else around who could contradict that statement but we all know he stole it from a junk yard.

I also laughed at the fact that this is the moment that my Dad, who's been watching the show since Rose worked out that Captain Jack was bisexual.

The Signal, you're right it did feel wrong somehow. I think it was because not much really happened this episode, it's all been setting up for the two parter.

The Signal
June 16th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Who else thought that when he said "Sorry" the Doctor was talking not to the Master (as he assumed) but to the TARDIS. He's clearly done something to it.

I expect it'll be repairable, if not, there's bound to be another TARDIS somewhere on the planet, hidden away somewhere, he can always tinker with the old chameleon circuit to keep it in Police Box mode.


How did the Doctor know Jack's immortal?
He absorbed the vortex when he kissed Rose, so he may have found out when the vortex was within him.

the_fours
June 16th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Anyone else notice that that's now two episodes in a row that the Dr's gone and gotten himself stranded without the TARDIS? He really should be more careful with that thing... :D :D


Wouldn't it be cool if the end of the episode Blink where the Tardis de-materialized it was actually programmed to got to the end of the universe to collect them?

I know it would need a load of plot holes filling, but i think its a nice idea :D

P-90_177
June 16th, 2007, 02:11 PM
Wouldn't it be cool if the end of the episode Blink where the Tardis de-materialized it was actually programmed to got to the end of the universe to collect them?

I know it would need a load of plot holes filling, but i think its a nice idea :D

more likely that they'll use jacks space hopper.......

pbellosom
June 16th, 2007, 02:16 PM
more likely that they'll use jacks space hopper.......

Wow, that's so obvious. How did I not think of that? Talking of things I didn't think of, did anyone at all realise before hand that the Master had used the chameleon arc? Looking back on it, it all seems very obvious they're has been clues all season but did anyone actually work it out before this episode began?

Matt G
June 16th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Well what do we have here.

1. Seeing Jack wasn't that big a deal as he's been in Torchwood. Seeing him play off the Doctor was though. :)

2. Apocylpse stuff was slightly meh.

3. That watch though. I'd known who was 'eventually' going to be the Master and heard rumours about the Professor turning out to be a Time Lord but...when the watch turned up was when it came together!

4. "You're not alone, that's a good thing right?" "Maybe".

5. OK, John Simm as the Master. That's going to take a bit of getting used to.

Not a classic episode, but a classic ending!

Gregorius
June 16th, 2007, 02:23 PM
How did the Doctor know Jack's immortal?

It's explained in the episode, the Timelords can sense such things. Besides that, the Doctor also stated that since Rose couldn't control the power (Flashback shows Rose with her saying 'I bring life' or something) she brought Jack back to life not as a mortal but as a fact, something that was never meant to happen.

dosed150
June 16th, 2007, 02:26 PM
more likely that they'll use jacks space hopper.......

wouldnt the master have left a tardis around, he did have one and how else could he have got to that time

the_fours
June 16th, 2007, 02:40 PM
Just thought of something the Doctor's old hand, that Jack used to to track him, is still in the TARDIS. I think that explains how they find out where he went?

Anubis69
June 16th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Just thought of something the Doctor's old hand, that Jack used to to track him, is still in the TARDIS. I think that explains how they find out where he went?
Martha recognised his voice as well...

The Signal
June 16th, 2007, 03:01 PM
EDIT: Drat, beaten to it :P

Actually, Martha said she recognised The Master's voice (for reasons obvious if you've seen the trailers, I won't post it because its a spoiler for the next episode), so they would know exactly where to go because of her.

the_fours
June 16th, 2007, 03:01 PM
Martha recognised his voice as well...

I noticed that too, although we still dont know much about the Mr. Saxon dynamic. Maybe she saw him on TV.

Alipeeps
June 16th, 2007, 03:11 PM
He absorbed the vortex when he kissed Rose, so he may have found out when the vortex was within him.


It's explained in the episode, the Timelords can sense such things. Besides that, the Doctor also stated that since Rose couldn't control the power (Flashback shows Rose with her saying 'I bring life' or something) she brought Jack back to life not as a mortal but as a fact, something that was never meant to happen.

Yeah, it was mentioned that he could sense it, that Jack just "feels" wrong to him.. he said even the TARDIS sensed it and felt the wrongness and tried to shake him off.

Anubis69
June 16th, 2007, 03:24 PM
lolz... Forgot to post.

I loved this episode. Pretty much everything with Jack was great. (I found the way he runs comical for some reason.) I also really loved all the interactions between Jack and The Doctor.

"Have you had work done?"

and

"Oh, will you stop!"
"Maybe later, Blue."

... Did anyone else notice Martha chase after Jack slightly confused after that last bit? :D

And John Simm was awesome as The Master. Such an amazing actor.

Hulabaloo
June 16th, 2007, 03:31 PM
I also laughed at the fact that this is the moment that my Dad, who's been watching the show since Rose worked out that Captain Jack was bisexual..

Lol. My brother didn't realise either until this episode. Then, we explained to him that John Barrowman was gay. He didn't speak for all of five seconds. It was funny.

However, this episode was fantastic. It was fantastic, did you think it was fantastic! It really was. The acting was amazing, as the plot, the cast. Everything.... I can't wait for next week.

Reefgirl
June 16th, 2007, 03:55 PM
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Smileys/f_bleep.gif me is about all I can say about the ending. The actual plot was a bit naff but then we've been spoilt for the last few episodes, I love the Dr/Jack/Martha interactions, especially when Jack and Martha were b!tching about Rose, I really didn't see the Derek Jacobi/Master bit coming, you've got to love Jacobi and his great acting skills, John Simm didn't surprise me as it's one of the worst kept secrets ever that he was going to be The Master but I didn't expect him in this episode. On the Whole 6/10 for the story and 11/10 for everything else. As a fence sitting slasher can I say the pent up passion between Jack and the Doctor made my blood boil (in a good way) http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Smileys/f_drool.gif

Did anyone else yell "Ferengi" when Futurekind bared their teeth and said "Human"

ShadowMaat
June 16th, 2007, 04:25 PM
*dies of awesomeness*

OMG! Captain Jack, back where he belongs! And acting like himself again! Hooray! Barrowman was FANTASTIC! And Jacobi was great, too. And... Dan Tho? The alien chick. The whole silliness with the "swearing" was cute.

So much awesomeness in one ep. Wow. I wonder if we're gonna find out more about the Fine Young Cannibals or if they're there merely as a distraction.

Will the Doctor be able to fix Jack's timey wimey device space hopper? Or did the Doctor simply program the TARDIS to drop the Master off whenever and then come back to him?

John Simm. *drools* I have to say, at first I was confusing him with the Doctor, but then he finally stopped yelling and spoke like Sam Tyler and it was all better. Or worse, I suppose. ;) Oh, having Simm as the Master is going to be BRILLIANT! And having Simm, Barrowman and Tennant together on the same screen? Thunk Heaven! :D

The YANA thing was well played, too. I tried to make it into something when I saw the name on the screen, but came up blank.

Oh, and not being much of a Trekkie, I didn't think of the Ferengi at all, although the sharpened teeth did seem familiar for other reasons. If I figure out why, I'll post about it. I'm thinking some lame vampire movie, probably...

ONE WHOLE WEEK! ARGH!

And another squee for Jack's squeeing about being back with the Doctor. :D I wonder how that whole thing will end?

EDIT: Oooo, and LOVED how the Doctor was all, "Down, boy!" every time Jack tried to say hello to anyone. LOL! :D

Easter Lily
June 16th, 2007, 05:03 PM
Whoohoo! Yeah! Classic Who reborn...
Was there any doubt this would be a potential classic... still it's great not to be disappointed.

Great episode... The Future People had a touch of Moloch about them but other than that everything else was gold.

Derek Jacobi... a marvellous acting heavy weight... gave a wonderful performance as Professor Yana. The profound sadness that he portrayed when he heard the convo betweeen the Doctor and Jack was deeply moving. Pity he wasn't allowed to continue as the Master.

Jack and the Doctor played off each brilliantly... the dialogue, the banter was spot on. It's wonderful to see someone match the Doctor in exuberance and readiness for action. Crackling stuff.

Sheesh... John Simms was on for a mere minute and people on OG are already bagging his performance. :S I'm looking forward to seeing more of his Master.

ShadowMaat
June 16th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Great episode... The Future People had a touch of Moloch about them but other than that everything else was gold.
Yes! The Moloch! Well, that's one of the things they reminded me of, anyway.


Sheesh... John Simms was on for a mere minute and people on OG are already bagging his performance. :S I'm looking forward to seeing more of his Master.
What's not to love about John Simm? He's awesome! *huggles Simm*

lord-anubis
June 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM
..wow i heard romers but i told my self im not beliveing it until i heard the words i am the master. i knew yana probly ment some thing but i could think of it. the best part of the whole show was when the master pull the watch out. i was yell at the screen for martha to shut up about the watch.

i freaked out when he was looking at the watch and you could hear a laugh that sound like the old master i had to stop for a sec and rewind to make sure i heard what it thought.

ok im clamed down a bit it was great to see cap jack again. the whole thing with him saying hi and the doctor telling him to stop was funny.

ok now i thought some one would have said this all ready or maybe they know some thing i don't. but how can the master have regrated when he all ready use up all his regartesons

ShadowMaat
June 16th, 2007, 09:00 PM
When has The Master ever played by the rules? He's probably exploiting some loophole. I wonder if they'll explain it on the show or just kinda fudge it along?

Missster.Freeman
June 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM
OMG!

It's 5am and I've just finished watching Utopia! :P I was sat with my hands on my face and my eyes out on stalks from the moment the watch was revealed right through to the end of the ep. I need to go lie down in my bed now and let this all sink in. Wow!

Madeleine
June 16th, 2007, 10:51 PM
If Human Nature / Family of Blood made up for the s3 Dalek two-parter, and Blink made up for Love and Monsters, then I think Utopia has finally made up for the telemovie in the '90s. :)

I adore Derek Jacobi, and I had no idea he was The Master. I think that whole fob watch thing was fabulous. RTD is right that there were clues to it all through; that whole "If there was another Time Lord I'd sense it" thing, and then the explanation of how in Human Nature he really ceased to be a Time Lord... but I'd never have guessed it, never. Human Nature was just so good that it would never have occured to me that there was an ulterior motive for the ep.

Jack's back! And he and Martha get on well. The Doctor seemed a bit off with him, and I know that that was explained but I hope he loses some of that distance over the next couple of eps. LOL at "Have you had some work done?"

So Jack in Torchwood and s3 is 150 years older than Jack in s1. Explains a fair bit. And he has a broken vortex manipulator and a top notch fixer-of-things with him. I wonder... ;)

Chantho was SO cute. And the way she spoke, it reminded me of walkie talkies where they always start with a particular thing and end with Roger or something. I bet in her culture it'd've been a heinous crime to interrupt anyone, cos there'd be no excuse :). I wonder how she became the last of her race.

The ferral people were a bit cheesey and their bits felt rather like filler, but they did get the doctor & co to the silo, and they did get the Doctor out of the room so that the fob watch could be investigated without his being there.

I wonder what Utopia was and if the rocket will get there.

:: Looks at watch ::

156 and a half hours to go....

uknesvuinng
June 16th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Ye flipping gods, that was pure excellence from beginning to end. I do suspect the Futurekind probably won't play a great role in the next episode, though.

Finally some explanation for Jack, though I wonder if/how the same information will be provided on Torchwood. Although to be perfectly honest, I think it'd be better if Jack just stayed a companion. None of the others have had that kind of interaction with the Doctor.

I really dug the retro scifi music when the Master was revealed. It had the right element of campiness to it to hearken back to classic Who and didn't seem out of place at all.

Martha talks way too much sometimes. At least she didn't have nearly as much trouble getting a Time Lord to open his watch this time. :D

Madeleine
June 16th, 2007, 11:03 PM
Guys, when Yana held the watch, and heard the master's voice, was that a clip of Anthony Ainley's voice?

lord-anubis
June 16th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Guys, when Yana held the watch, and heard the master's voice, was that a clip of Anthony Ainley's voice?

it sounded like him so it was a clip or a very good sound alike

Major Clanger
June 17th, 2007, 12:00 AM
oh my
that ending was great

and it was filmed in a quarry
yippee!

Locutus_Of_Borg
June 17th, 2007, 01:01 AM
Top notch episode, but clearly The Doctor broke something in the TARDIS...he wouldn't just say "Sorry" to it...sparks start flying and it dissapears...but thing i'm wondering, in the 1996 movie the master died by getting sucked into the eye of harmony...how did he get from there as a liquidy goo....man in a hosts body to a timelord again and changed his biology via the watch...all very confusing but it will hopefully be explained...or they're ignoring parts of that movie.

Pitry
June 17th, 2007, 01:51 AM
Excellent episode! Loved it to bits!
Kind of spiraling this series, isn't it? We've had the spiraling timeline in Smith & Jones, again in Blink, and now
Obviously everyrthing we've seen in previous episodes is in the Master's future and the Doctor's past.
Extremely cool.

John Simm is brilliant. I love this actor. He completely won me over in the whole two minutes he was in the episode - and yeah the "We have a little chat, I'll tell you about my plans and you'll stop me" line was brilliant, and brilliantly delivered.
*cough* Derek Jacobi is amazing as well, o'course. :)

Loved the conversation between Jack and the Doctor. Hell, liked all the bits. "Oh, she was blonde!" from Martha, excellent. And the blogging comment. And the hand bits (huh! Why did he take the hand with him when running to catch him!?) and of course, the conversation between the two of them.... *melts*

I hope they're going to explain how the Master got a Time Lord's body back, tho. :) I agree about the whole Human Nature/ Family of Blood planting of hte chamilion arch, I've read the rumours about Jacobi being the Master and regenerating into Simm but I didn't see the fob-watch bit coming at all. Fantasticly done.


I also laughed at the fact that this is the moment that my Dad, who's been watching the show since Rose worked out that Captain Jack was bisexual.


Well, better late than never, as they say :)

Reefgirl
June 17th, 2007, 02:47 AM
Guys, when Yana held the watch, and heard the master's voice, was that a clip of Anthony Ainley's voice?
I've heard from a couple of places that it was, I was working last night so never got to see Confidential, if they explained

I couldn't help myself last night but when John Simm appeared on screen I started humming Life on Mars, I have no idea why

Edit Does anyone else think that the Footprint engine is carbon based, seeing as Carbon Footprint is the phrase of the moment
Edit Edit Having watched it again, that is defiantly Anthony Ainley's laugh

MechaThor
June 17th, 2007, 03:36 AM
Another graet episode for this ever greater show! This series just kepps getting better and better! Well done DW team Well Done indeed!

I loved the DR - Jack interaction in the "Radiation room" With the Dorctors new dislike of Jack but also his new connection and understanding with another person who is starting to understand what its like to live 4ever like the DR!

The Master seems pretty dam cool and an excellent cliffhanger! Also another cool looking alien. See this is why i think DW is so much better 4 aliens than stargate. That girl could have been a human (and sadly would of been in stargate world) But DW takes the opertunity to add another cool life form in an ever growing universe. AH

Willow'sCat
June 17th, 2007, 04:07 AM
and it was filmed in a quarry
yippee!LOL! Quarry love! :D

OMG! How can you not love this episode! It was about time, immortality (see what I mean about TimeLords and immortality ;)) living, hiding, being lost and found, loving and losing.... and a little place called hope! :P *whee!* :D

Thankfully I was not too spoiled, yes I knew about Jack and I heard about the hints of The Master showing up... but it was still cloudy enough in my head to be, well not a surprise ( clothing alone screamed The Master! and he used the nickname that often gets used for The Doctor (The Professor);)) but a nice little twist... was the YANA like Badwolf? Was it spelled out everywhere and I just missed it? :S

Good things:

CAPT JACK! OMG! OMFG! *happy dance* I loved the flirting with everything, the looks he gave The Doctor were priceless... their conversation, The Hand *bless him* and he wants to live! Of course he was probably also thinking that The Doctor would want him around or at least take him someplace else other then Earth 2007... I can't see that happening with Torchwood still around. :S

And I adored the line from The Doctor about Jack "you're the only man you're ever going to be happy with" and Jack's response "this regeneration he's kind a cheeky" LOL!

The stuff about prejudice, that was a great little *blink and you miss it* exchange. See RTD can be subtle when he wants... he just often isn't. :D

David Tennant is awesome! The look on The Doctor's face from the moment Martha tells him about the watch until he finally realises who it is that has his T.A.R.D.I.S was played wonderfully well by David. As someone said I think the "sorry" was aimed at the T.A.R.D.I.S :( when I was a kid I use to get upset when people would mess about with T.A.R.D.I.S; lol they have feelings too! *the old girl* :D

On the question of The Master not having his own I think he would have hidden it away, it could be anything as his was in good working order unlike The Doctor's.... Until we see the next two eps I don't think there is much point in guessing about where The Master's is or if he still has one.

And yes I do believe it was Ainley's voice we hear, that is a nice touch.

I am not sure about Simm as The Master, that is a mighty big character to play... I mean it has almost as much history as The Doctor himself. At least we know Simm can act, that is a very good start. :D

Ooh it is getting very interesting...

Bad things.... um... er... *shrugs* Martha TimeLord!Crush... yeah that will do.

Reefgirl
June 17th, 2007, 04:38 AM
It's going to take time to get used to John Simm being the Master. Roger Delgardo and Anthony Ainley had pretty much the same look for the Master, lot's of black and goatee beards and moustaches.

This year's 'Bad Wolf' was Mr Saxon

beale947
June 17th, 2007, 04:54 AM
This was a great episode. The Utopia stuff seemed like filler, but i'm not bothered about that :P.

I did say ages ago that the proffesser at the end of utopia would regenerate into into John Simm/The master. But it was shunned off, but ooo look:D

I think John Simm, will be brilliant as the master. Intelligent *as indicated by the trailer, killing all the leaders with such ease*

I would give this ep 10/10, just for the last 15 minutes :P

Willow'sCat
June 17th, 2007, 05:30 AM
This was a great episode. The Utopia stuff seemed like filler, but i'm not bothered about that :P.

I did say ages ago that the proffesser at the end of utopia would regenerate into into John Simm/The master. But it was shunned off, but ooo look:D

I think John Simm, will be brilliant as the master. Intelligent *as indicated by the trailer, killing all the leaders with such ease*
I would give this ep 10/10, just for the last 15 minutes :P

Can people PLEASE keep in mind not all of us are watching trailers or reading spoilers, if it is to do with NEXT week please use tags. :cool:

Elinor
June 17th, 2007, 05:41 AM
Heh!! Hermits United!! Loved that bit!

What a blinkin' flippin' fantastic episode!

Again, the fast pace of the story telling left me breathless and then there were some lovely sloooow bits where you could catch your breath. I'm thinking of the scene between the Dr and Jack, where they were discussing how he couldn't die. DT and JB are wonderful together. Very entertaining!

Then we had Derek Jacobi...always faultless...and I never saw the fact that the Professor was the Master 'humanised' coming at all! Very clever!

Then, the icing on the cake, we get John Simm as the Master! David Tennant and John Simm are my fave Brit actors right now. Can't wait to see more of these two interacting.

Blimey...all this show needs now is to have Joe Flanigan guest star and I may quite possibly spontaneously combust from pleasure overload!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-004.gif

Alipeeps
June 17th, 2007, 05:45 AM
I've heard from a couple of places that it was, I was working last night so never got to see Confidential, if they explained


They didn't mention it on Confidential. It was mostly about Jack being back and then about the Chantho character and about Derek and John playing the Master and them filming the regeneration etc.



On the question of The Master not having his own I think he would have hidden it away, it could be anything as his was in good working order unlike The Doctor's.... Until we see the next two eps I don't think there is much point in guessing about where The Master's is or if he still has one.


This was kinda my thought too.. from what we saw in Human Nature/Family of Blood, the process of becoming human through the Chamaleon Arch means they forget about the TARDIS etc, as well as conveniently overlooking the watch. The Dr had Martha to keep an eye on the TARDIS for him... It is to be assumed that the Master's TARDIS is somewhere near wherever he was originally found and may even have been brought into the base somewhere but he would have no idea what it was, would probably not even notice it. So it could have been there somewhere all along...

Anubis69
June 17th, 2007, 05:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N4jNOyw6O0

lol I love John Simm's face at 1.30.

I can see him really nailing the sinister kind of facial expressions and delivery (I assume) The Master is associated with. I look forward to seeing DT and JS act together. Like face to face.

"Oh, new voice! Hellooo, Hello!"

ETA: someone mentioned how "cute" the Chantho swearing thing was. That is a word I would never use but damn it... it's completely accurate. I found myself laughing at that bit for no reason. Her giggle was a really... sort of... contagious kind of laugh. She's awesome, it's a shame she (for all I know) won't be back.

Davidtourniquet
June 17th, 2007, 06:36 AM
I think Jon Simm's master is gonna be as mad and bonkers as DT's doctor. Just evil, seemed that way.

Elinor
June 17th, 2007, 06:47 AM
I think Jon Simm's master is gonna be as mad and bonkers as DT's doctor. Just evil, seemed that way.

Yep...I thought that. Both have got the 'guy next door' look...just with eccentricity added!!!

I think John Simm's Master will charm his way in, then turn the knife!!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-013.gif Oh what fun!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/grinser/grinning-smiley-018.gif

Commander Ivanova
June 17th, 2007, 07:11 AM
ETA: someone mentioned how "cute" the Chantho swearing thing was. That is a word I would never use but damn it... it's completely accurate. I found myself laughing at that bit for no reason. Her giggle was a really... sort of... contagious kind of laugh. She's awesome, it's a shame she (for all I know) won't be back.

Who's to say she won't? Martha was pretty quick to write her off as dead with barely a cursory glance. Despite not knowing the 1st thing about her alien insect physiology. Or is she an expert xenobiologist now to add to her other talents?

Minor niggle, all-round brilliant episode again.
I am still squeeing over Jack and the Doc, one happy slasher!

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 07:16 AM
wouldnt the master have left a tardis around, he did have one and how else could he have got to that time

if he had his own tardis he would have most likely used that one. Or The doctors tardis would have detected such a thing (Not sure about that point though cos i havn't watched all that much of the orginal series)

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 07:20 AM
They didn't mention it on Confidential. It was mostly about Jack being back and then about the Chantho character and about Derek and John playing the Master and them filming the regeneration etc.



This was kinda my thought too.. from what we saw in Human Nature/Family of Blood, the process of becoming human through the Chamaleon Arch means they forget about the TARDIS etc, as well as conveniently overlooking the watch. The Dr had Martha to keep an eye on the TARDIS for him... It is to be assumed that the Master's TARDIS is somewhere near wherever he was originally found and may even have been brought into the base somewhere but he would have no idea what it was, would probably not even notice it. So it could have been there somewhere all along...

I really don't think he'll have his own tardis at this point.......though to be honest i'd lke it if he did. That way not only is the doctors number one nemisis back but he can turn up anywhere at anytime (honestly if they kill him off in the finale i will hunt those writers down.....)

Dusk
June 17th, 2007, 07:23 AM
more likely that they'll use jacks space hopper.......

I doubt it. I'm thinking Martha will use her phone to get someone in the Saxon timeline to send the TARDIS back to get them or some such thing.

But a tense and ominous closing scene, Tennant's pained look as he realized what was happening... priceless!

I don't mind that they've brought the Master back, just so long as he dies well and truly at season's end!! This must happen in order to sanctify the show. To drag him out is reverting back to older days... and we don't wanna go there.

Have the pocketwatches been mentioned in the classic series? Or is it just a random plot device?

ShadowMaat
June 17th, 2007, 07:27 AM
It's a random plot device. In the original novel that Human Nature/Family of Blood was based on they used a ball and then RTD (I think he was the one) suggested a watch for its symbolism. Otherwise he'd have said, "Hey, they used fob watches in the classic series!" ;)

It's a good device though, IMO. I was surprised (but happy) to see it used again; I figured it was just a one-off.

Ali888
June 17th, 2007, 07:28 AM
Fantastic episode. The best one since DT took over as the Doctor.

The Signal
June 17th, 2007, 07:47 AM
To drag him out is reverting back to older days... and we don't wanna go there.


Speak for yourself... ;)

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 07:48 AM
I doubt it. I'm thinking Martha will use her phone to get someone in the Saxon timeline to send the TARDIS back to get them or some such thing.

But a tense and ominous closing scene, Tennant's pained look as he realized what was happening... priceless!

I don't mind that they've brought the Master back, just so long as he dies well and truly at season's end!! This must happen in order to sanctify the show. To drag him out is reverting back to older days... and we don't wanna go there.

Have the pocketwatches been mentioned in the classic series? Or is it just a random plot device?

nonononononononononononono!!! they can't get rid of the master already. there's too much potential there with john simm.

the_fours
June 17th, 2007, 08:02 AM
I agree they cant get rid of the Master after bringing him back that quickly. But i do also think they need to introduce new re-occurring villains instead of revisiting the old ones (Master, Daleks, Cybermen). Don't get me wrong links to the classic series are important, but some new re-occurring villains would be a good idea. (Maybe bring the Weeping Angels back every now and then.

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 08:06 AM
weeping angels would be a good villian to see again but not a recurring one.

I mean ever ep it would just be a case of. Don't blink and run backwards!

Reefgirl
June 17th, 2007, 09:09 AM
I hope they don't kill the Master off at the end, I'd like to see him back, just as long as they don't let him become over-used like the Daleks

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 09:10 AM
or pansyfied like the daleks.

Pitry
June 17th, 2007, 09:42 AM
I think Jon Simm's master is gonna be as mad and bonkers as DT's doctor. Just evil, seemed that way.

He does seem that way, doesn;t he?
trailer spoilers.
the way he kept jumpign up and down, it erally felt like he's trying to overdo DT's energy....which is fantastic, I'm loving it. Two bonkers Time Lords!


nonononononononononononono!!! they can't get rid of the master already. there's too much potential there with john simm.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that much like the Daleks, the Cybermen and the Master in the old series, he'd be killed again and agaiun and again... :)

As for the sorry, it's also possible he said it to Jack and Martha because he was trying to break the TARDIS? Ebnding getting everyone stranded, jsut not to let the Master get away?

ShadowMaat
June 17th, 2007, 09:50 AM
Not killed killed, I hope. I want Simm to hang around for a while. :)

GodAtum
June 17th, 2007, 09:52 AM
The Master Returns!!!!!!!

Cant wait to see next weeks episode. Only 2 more to go I think.

SG-17
June 17th, 2007, 09:57 AM
that was awesome! I just watched it somewhere. What is the doctor going to do now? I cant wait for The Sound of Drums.

P-90_177
June 17th, 2007, 10:01 AM
he'll just use jacks space hopper with a couple of modifications to make it more accurate. otherwise they wouldn't have made such a deal of pointing it out or making sure jack had it on him for the ep.

pbellosom
June 17th, 2007, 10:14 AM
Oh, and not being much of a Trekkie, I didn't think of the Ferengi at all, although the sharpened teeth did seem familiar for other reasons. If I figure out why, I'll post about it. I'm thinking some lame vampire movie, probably...


Don't the Reevers in Firefly do it?

Edit: Whooo! 200th Post!!!

Alipeeps
June 17th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Don't the Reevers in Firefly do it?

Edit: Whooo! 200th Post!!!

I admit, I did see those Futurekind and immediately say, "Reavers!" :D :D

uknesvuinng
June 17th, 2007, 11:59 AM
I admit, I did see those Futurekind and immediately say, "Reavers!" :D :D

They aren't really creepified enough to be Reavers.

I personally thought of the psuedoaliens from Sliders (I can't recall what they were called now, I think it began with a K).

Pitry
June 17th, 2007, 12:44 PM
Having rewatched the episode *tries to look innocent and not obssessive at all* - re: the sorry thingie. I got the impression from both that scene and the fact the Doctor knwew there was something fishy in the whole another Tiem Lord bit that mayeb he's the one who didb it to hte Master? And now he was apologising for trappign him as a human and letting him grow old and die?...

Oy! The lot from Sliders! Yeah, they reminded me them as well!

the_fours
June 17th, 2007, 12:59 PM
They didn't remind me of the Kromaggs at all *sighes* (still hoping for seasons 4 & 5 on DVD (but thats an issue for another thread))

I think reaver is closer to the mark, since they both kept their human features.

Missster.Freeman
June 17th, 2007, 04:48 PM
I could have sworn I heard one of the Futurekind say "hooomans" like a Ferengi. All that was missing were the lobes, orange skin and butt for a head. Well, erm, so they obviously look nothing like the Ferengi then. :P

Maybe it's just the implants the actors wear that causes similar vocal inflections. The "Show us yer teeth" method of screening for Futurekind was cool and funny. Well it made me chuckle anyway. :D Wait a minute. How did that Futurekind girl get past the screening and into the facility. Did I miss something?

Taonas
June 17th, 2007, 05:07 PM
They aren't really creepified enough to be Reavers.

I personally thought of the psuedoaliens from Sliders (I can't recall what they were called now, I think it began with a K).
If memory serves they were called Kromaggs, and started the downfall of the series.

Back to "Doctor Who", and I must (as others before me) express my utter joy in the return of the master!

Willow'sCat
June 17th, 2007, 05:09 PM
Having rewatched the episode *tries to look innocent and not obssessive at all* - re: the sorry thingie. I got the impression from both that scene and the fact the Doctor knwew there was something fishy in the whole another Tiem Lord bit that mayeb he's the one who didb it to hte Master? And now he was apologising for trappign him as a human and letting him grow old and die?...Nice idea if creepy, but honestly The Doctor seemed shocked and pleased and frightened that The Master was alive, it seemed to me that he was wanting to make The Master realise that they are the only two left... I didn't get the I hate you I want you dead vibe from him, I still maintain it was the T.A.R.D.I.S he was talking to, although if it was The Master, his 'sorry' may have been about not realising The Master survived, not looking for him....

*The Master is a coward, imho The Master ran and hid from The Time War* ;)

Dusk
June 17th, 2007, 09:08 PM
I hope they don't kill the Master off at the end, I'd like to see him back, just as long as they don't let him become over-used like the Daleks

Just thought I'd remind everyone, the final episode of the season... what is it called again?? ;)

Naonak
June 17th, 2007, 11:29 PM
A good episode, but not great - until the last 15 minutes.

It was cool to have Jack back. The Doctor/Jack scene through the window was excellent - very well written and acted. (although I thought David Tennant looked kind of sinister...) I loved how even though they're talking about really serious stuff, they still joke about it.

Derek Jacobi was superb, in "both" roles. He handled the change from slightly bumbling yet brilliant Professor to, well, the Master brilliantly. If the story had been different, he'd have made a really good Master. (reminded me a lot of Roger Delgado in his speech - and I liked the little sound clip of RD)

John Simm was great. The hyperactive Master was cool - "Hello Doctor! Oh new voice... Hello, HELLO!" - yet evil.
Why did he take the Doctor's hand? (that was a neat scene, too, with Martha finding it)

8/10

Pitry
June 17th, 2007, 11:48 PM
Nice idea if creepy, but honestly The Doctor seemed shocked and pleased and frightened that The Master was alive, it seemed to me that he was wanting to make The Master realise that they are the only two left... I didn't get the I hate you I want you dead vibe from him, I still maintain it was the T.A.R.D.I.S he was talking to, although if it was The Master, his 'sorry' may have been about not realising The Master survived, not looking for him....

*The Master is a coward, imho The Master ran and hid from The Time War* ;)

Very possibly - but that's the thing, I'd have thought the Doctor would have taken the precaution to either have someone in him telling him to open the watch or not putting a perception filter on it or something, letting the watch talk him into opening it when it's safe to, well, come out. It looks a bit careless - if it wasn't for the Doctor stumbling on him, he'd have died. - but the truth is, we still don't know how he got his Time Lord body back! It might be connected.
...Well, I guess we'll find out soon. Not soon enough tho :)


Just thought I'd remind everyone, the final episode of the season... what is it called again?? ;)

Well, yes. And yet, the number of times the Master has died in the show... :)
I agree with the sentiment, tho, I really hope John Simm will be back after this series. He's just brilliant.



Why did he take the Doctor's hand? (that was a neat scene, too, with Martha finding it)



Wasn't it already in hte TARDIS? Sides, now he's got a Doctor Detector, too. :)

Reefgirl
June 18th, 2007, 12:02 AM
*The Master is a coward, imho The Master ran and hid from The Time War*

I think The Master was probably trapped in the watch as punishment, he was probably working with the Daleks, he worked with the Cybermen (for a while) in The Five Doctors

Alipeeps
June 18th, 2007, 12:52 AM
Why did he take the Doctor's hand? (that was a neat scene, too, with Martha finding it)


Cos it's a Dr detector? So he'll have warning if the Dr approaches?


Very possibly - but that's the thing, I'd have thought the Doctor would have taken the precaution to either have someone in him telling him to open the watch or not putting a perception filter on it or something, letting the watch talk him into opening it when it's safe to, well, come out. It looks a bit careless - if it wasn't for the Doctor stumbling on him, he'd have died.

I thought that was actually a very telling point about the difference between the Dr and the Master. The Dr had Martha to bring him back; he had someone he could trust, who would look after him and make sure he didn't get lost. The Master didn't have that.

Willow'sCat
June 18th, 2007, 01:30 AM
I thought that was actually a very telling point about the difference between the Dr and the Master. The Dr had Martha to bring him back; he had someone he could trust, who would look after him and make sure he didn't get lost. The Master didn't have that.Maybe he did or thought he did, it wouldn't be the first time The Master thought he could use someone for his own ends only to have them double cross him. ;) Or maybe he just had no choice, this was his only option to escape, he took the risk that his human self would eventually open the watch, I mean really who goes that long with a watch and doesn't try and open it? :S Oh it was stuck... really. :rolleyes:

Also we have no idea if anyone else can put this in place without the consent of the TimeLord in question.

Just too many questions at the moment, including just how he managed to regenerate (especially so easily :rolleyes:) in the first place. :S;)

BruTak
June 18th, 2007, 02:36 AM
Fantastic! 10/10 from me.

The Doctor and his whole "Heel, Rover" attitude to Jack's flirting had me in stitches. :)

And the return of the Master!!!!!!!:eek::eek:

*sits back and waits for Saturday night*

Reefgirl
June 18th, 2007, 04:20 AM
That "Down Boy" stuff was so reminiscant of Christopher Ecclestone's Doctor in the final two parter of the first series and the "Hello" waving of the hand too

BruTak
June 18th, 2007, 04:27 AM
And in the trailer for next week? UNIT gets a mention!

*performs Dance of Joy with extra emphatic pointy finger gestures*

Happy-happy, joy-joy, happy-happy, joy-joy! :D

Alipeeps
June 18th, 2007, 04:45 AM
Confirmation from the episode's "Fact File" on the official Dr Who website:


Among the sounds heard by the troubled Professor Yana are the words and laughter of earlier incarnations of The Master.

Madeleine
June 18th, 2007, 05:32 AM
Cool! Does this mark a first for Classic clips of any sort in the Revised version? I'm sure it must. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy for some reason :)

BruTak
June 18th, 2007, 05:50 AM
Ummm... Yeah, I do believe this is the first time that a clip from classic Dr. Who has been used in the current series.

But it's notable that it was a couple of audio clips. Maybe they cost less to clear, legally speaking?

Reefgirl
June 18th, 2007, 06:06 AM
The must have to clear things with, the original scriptwriters and the families of Roger Delgardo and Anthony Ainley too

BruTak
June 18th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Remember all the legal hoops they had to jump through two years ago with the estate of Terry Nation, just so they could use the Daleks?

It's a complicated business, who owns the rights to what...

Mattathias2.0
June 18th, 2007, 01:57 PM
Excellent and fantastic episode... I was on the edge of my seat!!!!

I am so excited he is back! I only just recently watched The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis and Castrovalva. I look forward to The Sound Of Drums, The Last of The Time Lords, and the Christmas episode.

Mattathias

Alipeeps
June 18th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Just rewatched this ep. Oh I love it so. *wants to huggle the Dr and Jack*

P.S. Soooo love the moment of the two of them running down the corridor with their long coats flapping out behind them! :D

Willow'sCat
June 18th, 2007, 05:06 PM
Remember all the legal hoops they had to jump through two years ago with the estate of Terry Nation, just so they could use the Daleks?

It's a complicated business, who owns the rights to what...Not really as I understand it, The BBC doesn't own the rights to The Daleks, they are in the hands of TN Estate (his family) so of course it was up to them to decide if The BBC could use them, all the other characters and monsters *as far as I know* are owned by The BBC including The Master. The BBC also owes all the rights to the classic series, but again if The Daleks appear they have to clear it with TN Estate... this is why in Australia we didn't get to see many of The Dalek based eps when the Classic series was re-shown. :( *not sure we saw any actually* :S

docballen
June 18th, 2007, 05:27 PM
OK I haven't seen this episode yet (I'm American...) but I have a question...

Did the Master take the Doctor's hand and then get his Timelord Body, or did it happen the other way round?

(He knows enough about biology and DNA that he could have used some of the Doctor's DNA to get timelord traits again...)

And Sylvester McCoy's Doctor often looked at a "fob watch", so, yes it does connect to "older" Dr Who.

Mattathias2.0
June 18th, 2007, 05:37 PM
Hmmmm.... How did the Vote Saxon poster end up in 1941 (in the episode Captain Jack Harkness of Torchwood)? Curious.

Mattathias

docballen
June 18th, 2007, 09:52 PM
OK I haven't seen this episode yet (I'm American...) but I have a question...

Did the Master take the Doctor's hand and then get his Timelord Body, or did it happen the other way round?

(He knows enough about biology and DNA that he could have used some of the Doctor's DNA to get timelord traits again...)

And Sylvester McCoy's Doctor often looked at a "fob watch", so, yes it does connect to "older" Dr Who.


Okay, I've now seen this episode.

It's excellent. 10/10.

And I haven't seen any "Life on Mars", but I think John Simm is going to be excellent as the Prime Minister of England.

Infernorhythm
June 18th, 2007, 10:27 PM
Jacobi was brilliant. Captain Jack was brilliant (although the opening scene did not match up with the Torchwood end scene at all). Hearing Ainley's voice was great.

However I am wholy disapointed by John Simms. In that last minute I realized that someone had outcamped Eric Roberts (who now comes across as freaking Oscar worthy after seeing Simms). The campiness, the lines, bleh. I wanted a menacing Master, not a campy figure.

the_fours
June 18th, 2007, 11:07 PM
I didnt see the master as camp, but rather the same sort of zany person the doctor is, except more menacing.

Reefgirl
June 19th, 2007, 12:02 AM
I didnt see the master as camp, but rather the same sort of zany person the doctor is, except more menacing.
Exactly, he has the Doctor's same manic energy and from the trailers he's just as evil, Delgado and Ainley's Master's were silent-movie-moustach-twirling villan's Simm's bought him up to date


And I haven't seen any "Life on Mars", but I think John Simm is going to be excellent as the Prime Minister of England. At least we now know how Sam Tyler got to the 70's ;)

Billz
June 19th, 2007, 02:20 AM
After watching this episode (finally ;) ), Ive gotta say, wow!

Woot! The Master!!!

I have a theory though, on how The Master survived the events of the 1996 movie (its canon Who, dont fight it people). Can a timelord copy their consciousness aswell as re-write their DNA? Its possible The Master we saw was a copy with The real Master still in non-existance thanks to the Eye of Harmony/Heart of the TARDIS.

I wasnt to sure about John Simm taking over from Eric Roberts. I think they should have kept Derek Jacobi to fly the TARDIS back to 2007 and then regenerate him into Simm.

9/10

(I wonder why The Doctors hand didnt start going mental when it was around The Master? It did when The Doctor came back at the end of Torchwood.)

Alipeeps
June 19th, 2007, 03:01 AM
(I wonder why The Doctors hand didnt start going mental when it was around The Master? It did when The Doctor came back at the end of Torchwood.)

Because it reacts specifically to the Dr because it's his hand? As opposed to being a general Time Lord detector?

Reefgirl
June 19th, 2007, 05:42 AM
You got it ok then Billz

BruTak
June 19th, 2007, 07:59 AM
What I find interesting about the Next Week trailer, is that the US president seems very pro-UNIT.

This is odd, given that 99.99% of US politicians are vehemently anti-United Nations.

Pitry
June 19th, 2007, 09:11 AM
Hmmmm.... How did the Vote Saxon poster end up in 1941 (in the episode Captain Jack Harkness of Torchwood)? Curious.

Mattathias

It didn't. The poster is seen right before the switch takes place from the presen to 1941, than it becomes a "Kiss the boys goodbye" poster.
Methinks.

BruTak
June 19th, 2007, 09:17 AM
It didn't. The poster is seen right before the switch takes place from the present to 1941, than it becomes a "Kiss the boys goodbye" poster.
Methinks.

Yeah, that's right/ :)

Mattathias2.0
June 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM
It didn't. The poster is seen right before the switch takes place from the presen to 1941, than it becomes a "Kiss the boys goodbye" poster.
Methinks.

Thanks. I was trying to rewatch the episode to find it again.

Mattathias

BruTak
June 20th, 2007, 04:58 AM
Ok, this is just so funny.

Two Irish girls watching the last three minutes or so of "Utopia" on Saturday night.

CAUTION: Contains strong language!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnk-A1OkKk

If you know either of the young ladies in the video, please get in touch. :)

Commander Ivanova
June 20th, 2007, 10:23 AM
Ok, this is just so funny.

Two Irish girls watching the last three minutes or so of "Utopia" on Saturday night.

CAUTION: Contains strong language!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnk-A1OkKk

If you know either of the young ladies in the video, please get in touch. :)

There were similar scenes in my house on Saturday night. But why would you want to film yourself watching Who? Boggles the mind.

Missster.Freeman
June 20th, 2007, 12:40 PM
Ok, this is just so funny.

Two Irish girls watching the last three minutes or so of "Utopia" on Saturday night.

CAUTION: Contains strong language!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnk-A1OkKk

If you know either of the young ladies in the video, please get in touch. :)So THAT'S what squeeing fangirls sound like. It felt like a shaped charge being detonated inside my head.

The Signal
June 21st, 2007, 01:26 PM
Should my ears be bleeding? :S :P

P-90_177
June 21st, 2007, 01:38 PM
Ok, this is just so funny.

Two Irish girls watching the last three minutes or so of "Utopia" on Saturday night.

CAUTION: Contains strong language!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnk-A1OkKk

If you know either of the young ladies in the video, please get in touch. :)

wow...........ok i know it was a great ep and i was on the edge of my seat..............but still....................come on girls........it's just tv.

i particularly liked the bit where one of them went 'oh martha if you bring back the master i will kill you'

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 21st, 2007, 02:54 PM
Ok, this is just so funny.

Two Irish girls watching the last three minutes or so of "Utopia" on Saturday night.

CAUTION: Contains strong language!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnk-A1OkKk

If you know either of the young ladies in the video, please get in touch. :)

aw man that's so freakin' awesome...:cameron:

BruTak
June 22nd, 2007, 12:14 AM
C'mon gang, someone, somewhere must know who those two girls are. ;)

Commander Ivanova
June 22nd, 2007, 03:56 AM
C'mon gang, someone, somewhere must know who those two girls are. ;)

Why are you so keen to know? So you can get together for future squeeing sessions? :S Presumably they posted the vid themselves so you could contact them by a message through Youtube. If you really wanted to.

Cycrow
June 22nd, 2007, 09:53 AM
Oh, and not being much of a Trekkie, I didn't think of the Ferengi at all, although the sharpened teeth did seem familiar for other reasons. If I figure out why, I'll post about it. I'm thinking some lame vampire movie, probably...

it reminded me alot of the Kromaggs from Sliders

uknesvuinng
June 22nd, 2007, 09:57 AM
it reminded me alot of the Kromaggs from Sliders

2 points for Kromaggs!

Cycrow
June 22nd, 2007, 09:57 AM
ok now i thought some one would have said this all ready or maybe they know some thing i don't. but how can the master have regrated when he all ready use up all his regartesons

i dont know y but i kinda got the impression that the docter broke the 12 regeneration rules as well.

its just the way he said, if the doctor can regenerate, then so can i.

it kinda made me think that the doctor was able to break the rules previously. But i could jsut be getting something out of nothing.

althou i dont think it was ever stated if it was a physical limit, or just a rule, rules can be broken

uknesvuinng
June 22nd, 2007, 10:05 AM
i dont know y but i kinda got the impression that the docter broke the 12 regeneration rules as well.

its just the way he said, if the doctor can regenerate, then so can i.

it kinda made me think that the doctor was able to break the rules previously. But i could jsut be getting something out of nothing.

althou i dont think it was ever stated if it was a physical limit, or just a rule, rules can be broken

The Doctor is only on his 9th regeneration. The Master was once in a pretty decrepit state because he'd run out of regenerations. The Master doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who, seeking to survive, would simply follow such a rule on regeneration limits willingly. Besides, when last he was seen, he didn't even have a Time Lord body. Perhaps he took some other Time Lord's body, thus gaining that Time Lord's regenerations.

BruTak
June 22nd, 2007, 10:21 AM
Why are you so keen to know? So you can get together for future squeeing sessions?

I beg your pardon madame! I have never "squeeeed" in my life. I intend to keep it that way.

Commander Ivanova
June 22nd, 2007, 10:53 AM
I beg your pardon madame! I have never "squeeeed" in my life. I intend to keep it that way.

Relieved to hear it.

So... your interest is purely nefarious, I presume? ;)

BruTak
June 22nd, 2007, 10:57 AM
Wouldn't you like to know... *wiggles eyebrows suggestively, twiddles silent movie-eqsue villain's moustache* ;)

pbellosom
June 22nd, 2007, 11:15 AM
The Doctor is only on his 9th regeneration. The Master was once in a pretty decrepit state because he'd run out of regenerations. The Master doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who, seeking to survive, would simply follow such a rule on regeneration limits willingly. Besides, when last he was seen, he didn't even have a Time Lord body. Perhaps he took some other Time Lord's body, thus gaining that Time Lord's regenerations.

We don't know that, there could have been many doctors between eight and nine, I still desperately want the Shalka Doctor to become cannon.

uknesvuinng
June 22nd, 2007, 11:20 AM
We don't know that, there could have been many doctors between eight and nine, I still desperately want the Shalka Doctor to become cannon.

Until given evidence, we have no reason to assume any regenerations beyond the ones that can be accounted for.

Is the Shalka Doctor from a book or something? I've never heard of that one.

BruTak
June 22nd, 2007, 11:29 AM
"Scream of the Shalka" was a Flash Animated Dr. Who story made a number of years ago. It starred Richard E. Grant as the Doctor, and Derek Jacobi as an android version of the Master.

You should be able to find it somewhere on the Dr. Who pages of the BBC website.

Best line?
The Doctor: "You left the umbrella stand in the Zeppelin hanger - again..." :D

P-90_177
June 22nd, 2007, 11:43 AM
We don't know that, there could have been many doctors between eight and nine, I still desperately want the Shalka Doctor to become cannon.

but he told sarah jane that he'd regenerated a half dozen times since they'd last met.
that to me shows that he is the tenth doctor. (also gotta say the number 10 fits in nicely with the fact that he is the best doctor there is)

Admiral Mappalazarou
June 22nd, 2007, 11:47 AM
but he told sarah jane that he'd regenerated a half dozen times since they'd last met.
that to me shows that he is the tenth doctor. (also gotta say the number 10 fits in nicely with the fact that he is the best doctor there is)

And also in Human Nature, it showed a diagram of all ten doctors in his journal.

uknesvuinng
June 22nd, 2007, 11:51 AM
I had forgotten the explicit mentions that showed he is indeed the 10th Doctor.

Reefgirl
June 22nd, 2007, 01:03 PM
Ok here's a link to The Scream of the Shalka http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/shalka/ and it's 9 regenerations and 10 Doctors, obviously the first Doctor was the original from birth (I'm assuming) the first regeneration was from Dr 1 into Dr 2 and so on

Madeleine
June 23rd, 2007, 11:47 PM
As to whether or not Utopia exists, maybe there is a clue in the name.

Utopia is Greek for "No Place." It's why Moore chose the name for his book: no place really could be his land of Utopia.

I think maybe what Yana said, that people needed hope, was true and that it was all a sham that existed to stop everyone getting horribly depressed. Whoever started it might have thought they were doing good.

I would like to know for sure though, before the end of the current series.

Tanduay
June 27th, 2007, 11:59 PM
Finally back online after moving house.

Nice episode.


Ok I know this is an SG based forum but I really think that the pointy teeth loonies deserve the name "Goa". This stands for "Grossly over acted"

2 things this series wasted time, money and effort on was this crowd and the pig men. Both should have been discarded.

Tanduay
June 28th, 2007, 12:32 AM
I wonder...

Could Jack be the father of the timelords? Time is after all a big wibbly wobbly timey whimy ball.

P-90_177
June 28th, 2007, 12:37 AM
i doubt it somehow.

Pitry
June 28th, 2007, 03:01 AM
*sulks* what's wrong with squeeing?!

P-90_177
June 28th, 2007, 03:14 AM
nothing........why do you ask?

Madeleine
June 28th, 2007, 10:27 PM
I wonder...

Could Jack be the father of the timelords? Time is after all a big wibbly wobbly timey whimy ball.

Explaining their immunity to all but the most fatal of deaths? Could be.

:cool:

General David Niemi
September 10th, 2007, 05:02 AM
At the beginning it was great.

Jack: *Running to Tardis* Doooctor!!!!

PG15
September 17th, 2007, 08:21 PM
Alright! The episode finally premiers tonight in Canada on CBC!! :D

So far so good. The music is once again EXCELLENT, and I'm reallly anticipating the ending (yes, I know the twist), still, I can't wait to see it.

Unfortunately, I missed a tiny bit. Can anyone help me with filling in a small quote? Basically, it's the part where Martha finds Jack's Doctor hand, and then the Doctor reveals that he's the last of the time lord...then I missed something...and then Martha said that the Doctor always surprises her or some such. What did I miss? What was the surprise?!

Help!

Admiral Mappalazarou
September 17th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Martha: [sarcastic] What? So you 'grew' another hand?
Doctor: Yep. I did, yep.
Martha: .....
Doctor: [waves fingers] Hello!
Martha: You 'grew' another hand?!
Doctor: Hey, it's me! Look!

[he shakes her hand]

Martha: (relieved) Oh you're full of surprises...

PG15
September 17th, 2007, 08:47 PM
Thank you!! Greens! :D

Professor Yana just revealed his true identity. Oh, it was great! :D

---

And it's over! Holy crap! That was freaking awesome! This, of course, coming from a guy who's seen about 3 Doctor Who episodes in total (but read up on the rest)! Music, again, was fantastic; both actors who played the Master were brilliant, and the little hints leading to the reveal were VERY well placed and very nicely revealed when the dots were connected. The Regeneration sequence was just frightening, really. Those purple eyes totally freaked me out. Next week's episode is going to be fun, no doubt. :D

The only downside: The Futurkind sucks. I hate HATE these stereotypical neanderthal/raving lunatic enemies. So...boring. Luckily though, they'll be gone by next episode, because I know most of it takes place in modern day, I think.

Anyway, awesome episode. Can't wait to see the next one! :D

Celestial
September 18th, 2007, 01:01 AM
It was great to see Capt. Jack back.

The unveiling of the Master.....brilliant! Professor Yana's transformation from a gentle Professor into a psyhopathic villain was eeire.

And I agree, the musical score was fantastic!!

And the bantering and dialogue between the Doctor and Capt. Jack was hilarious.

MmmmMcKAy
September 18th, 2007, 05:50 AM
Good episode. I was so thrilled to see Captain Jack.

Poor Martha...had to listen to talk of/pining for Rose again.

The Master is wicked. I'm excited to see what happens next. Next Monday the CBC is playing the 2 final episodes back to back. Ordinarily I'd be happy. But the final episode is on the same time as the Heroes Season 2 premiere. And I'm not home Monday evening to watch one and tape the other.:( Thank God the CBC has the Doctor Who episodes online so I don't have to wait until November to rent the boxset.

Trek_Girl42
September 18th, 2007, 01:41 PM
OH MY GOD WHAT AN EPISODE!!!

I LOVE John Simm. Wow. Was not expecting to see him in this episode. The madness is just..... Just awsome. He's like a little kid! And the fob watch! Never saw that coming- my reaction was *cough* possibly similar to that of the girls in the video mentioned a few pages back. The hand! The flirting! The music! Wow was the music ever fantastic! The Jack/Doctor conversation! Jack takes off his jacket cause he looks good! Derek Jacobi! The regeneration! Did I mention the flirting? :D

http://gopher65.com/images/drwho/Stopflirting.gif

*sigh* So awsome. Is it Monday yet? :D

PG15
September 18th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Ordinarily I'd be happy. But the final episode is on the same time as the Heroes Season 2 premiere.

Gah! Now you tell me!! :(

Well, it's a no brainer, in this case. Doctor Who for the win!

Trek_Girl42
September 19th, 2007, 12:31 AM
Gah! Now you tell me!! :(

Well, it's a no brainer, in this case. Doctor Who for the win!
Huh? Doesn't Heroes start next week at 9pm? Doctor Who is at 8pm! No conflict! :D


Unless everyone knows something I don't. :confused:

Edit:
Yup, Heroes 9pm on Global, not a problem!

2nd Edit:
Oh sh*t.

uknesvuinng
September 19th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Huh? Doesn't Heroes start next week at 9pm? Doctor Who is at 8pm! No conflict! :D


Unless everyone knows something I don't. :confused:

As I understand it, the last two eps will be shown back to back, which means the finale will be running simultaneously with Heroes.

Trek_Girl42
September 19th, 2007, 12:40 AM
As I understand it, the last two eps will be shown back to back, which means the finale will be running simultaneously with Heroes.

Uh.....yup. Discovered that.


Huh? Doesn't Heroes start next week at 9pm? Doctor Who is at 8pm! No conflict! :D


Unless everyone knows something I don't. :confused:

Edit:
Yup, Heroes 9pm on Global, not a problem!

2nd Edit:
Oh sh*t.

Would anyone mind if I uh.....deprived whoever at CBC made this decision, of oxygen?

uknesvuinng
September 19th, 2007, 12:43 AM
Uh.....yup. Discovered that.



Would anyone mind if I uh.....deprived whoever at CBC made this decision, of oxygen?

Perhaps give them 8 hours WOO? Go ahead. It's not my country. Admittedly, this means I really don't have any authority in the matter, but that's a minor detail.

Trek_Girl42
September 19th, 2007, 12:56 AM
Perhaps give them 8 hours WOO? Go ahead. It's not my country. Admittedly, this means I really don't have any authority in the matter, but that's a minor detail.
Okay, they really deserve it.....they actually included a synopsis for Last of the Time Lords under the synopsys for Sound of Drums, which hasn't aired yet, and on that page, it spoils what is, presumabley, the Sound of Drums cliffhanger. :mad:

The gloves are comin' off.....

RDAfan61
September 21st, 2007, 08:10 PM
OK This comes from someone very new to the Dr Who fandom but really falling fast for it. Excellent show, so well written and acted. I'm watching Season 2 and 3 at the same time never seeing either and get confused with what's happened in what season. I've oredered the DVDs so I can watch in order. I knew nothing of the spoilers so when the Professor changed I said to my hubster that he didn't look like he was going to be a nice Timelord. LOL

Loved the bits as everyone else did with the Doctor and Jack. I loved the reply to "Have you had work done?" which was "You should talk". And the look that really had me LOL. The scene in the radiation chamber was great too.

I like seeing everyone's take on the show and now wonder what the "sorry" meant. I thought it odd that he was saying sorry to the Master but didn't think about the TARDIS. Interesting. Also, someone mentioned about the Master not putting something in the watch to help him remember to open it. It seemed to me in the bit where he's about to electrocute the girl that he's saying something about her letting him die or knowing about something or whatever. I couln't follow it all and will now have to wait for the DVDs but I was wondering if she knew he was supposed to open it and didn't tell him because she knew what he was like.

Looking forward to the next two eps! Fanastic show!

Merlin's_Legacy
September 22nd, 2007, 10:31 AM
We know from Boom Town that The Tardis seems to be infinitely compassionate, and The Eye of Harmony is sort of like a direct connection to the Time Stream. Perhaps the Tardis decided to give The Master the same chance it gave that Slitheen woman and made The Master human a human child, sent him to a place where he might learn to be useful but left the watch with him so he could return to his previous form.

Or it could have something to do with the Time War. Maybe the Doctor somehow retrieved him from The Eye to assist with the Time War, then The Master ran away... Seems very like the master.


Top notch episode, but clearly The Doctor broke something in the TARDIS...he wouldn't just say "Sorry" to it...sparks start flying and it dissapears...but thing i'm wondering, in the 1996 movie the master died by getting sucked into the eye of harmony...how did he get from there as a liquidy goo....man in a hosts body to a timelord again and changed his biology via the watch...all very confusing but it will hopefully be explained...or they're ignoring parts of that movie.

ShadowMaat
September 22nd, 2007, 08:27 PM
It seemed to me in the bit where he's about to electrocute the girl that he's saying something about her letting him die or knowing about something or whatever. I couln't follow it all and will now have to wait for the DVDs but I was wondering if she knew he was supposed to open it and didn't tell him because she knew what he was like.
It was more along the lines of, "All these years of working beside me every day and you never once thought to ask me about the watch?"

I perceived her answering look as one of bafflement, as in, "Why would I have ever asked you about it?" She didn't seem the prying type to me and given the antiquated style of the thing I doubt she'd ever seen anything like it before and asking him about it- with the perception field activated- would probably result in him dismissing the question with something like, "Oh, it's just an old watch of mine, but it's broken." Why would anyone who didn't know what it was (or even what it was disguised as) pursue the issue?

It was just the Master raging unfairly at the nearest target, which happened to be poor Chantho. :(

Granted, it's always possible the DID know, but unless she was a universal-class liar, she struck me as being far too innocent to actually know anything about Yana's true identity.

MasySyma
September 22nd, 2007, 08:43 PM
Hmmmm. The jury is still out on this one.

The Good:

I loved Jack's return, and I have missed him. I'm loving Torchwood, but I'm glad to see him back on Who.

The cliffhanger was good. Next week's episode looks exciting.

The Bad:

The ugly sets yet again. Can the future worlds become more diverse than glorious with a dark underbelly (New Earth) or just hot, mean, and ugly (every other episode set in the future besides Fear Her)? I'm tired of gray corridors with all the extras covered in grime and sweat. Also, what is up with the bad villains this year. First we get the spider with a bad voice; she's followed by a Dalek with an inability to talk quickly; then, we get the scorpion that appears related to the previous two; he is followed by the sun demon whose job is two glow and utter bad pick up lines; and now, we get grunting critters that look humanish but have sharp teeth. The natives looked like rejects from SG-1. At several moments, I expected them to say that they were attacking because the humans hadn't accepted Origin. The angels in Blink are amazingly creepy, partly because they don't talk.

Last season had the creepy aliens at the school, the cybermen and dalek showdown, and Cassandra's wit. This year, we have aliens that make the Slitheen look well read and refined.

The clips. The retooled series isn't that old, and we had clips: not a good sign. I didn't even mind the clips from Season 1 to remind people about Jack. I minded the clips from Gridlock and the flashback to earlier in the episode. We were watching already.

The Doctor: lately he's been ticking me off. Last year, I loved him, and Rose got to me. Recently, the Doctor is annoying me. DT is still doing a fabulous and amazing job, especially considering some of the stupid lines he gets. The Doctor spent most of the episode spouting technobabble and running around like an excitable chicken. His energy was only useful at the end of the episode. I also wanted a bit more during the Jack/Doctor Reunion scene. The men moved on rather quick. The men can act; I hope that they have something to do soon.

Skiffy's commercials screw up most episodes' pacing, so I want to see this one again on DVD, but right now, I'm not horrified, but I'm also not impressed. A 6.5/10.

PG15
September 23rd, 2007, 10:54 PM
The clips. The retooled series isn't that old, and we had clips: not a good sign. I didn't even mind the clips from Season 1 to remind people about Jack. I minded the clips from Gridlock and the flashback to earlier in the episode. We were watching already.



Well, doesn't those clips help to connect everything together? I rather liked it. I mean, I think it was a lot better than somebody just blurting out that Yana = You are not alone. How they did it made it a lot more dynamic, with all the cuts.

MmmmMcKAy
September 24th, 2007, 07:23 AM
I'm going with Heroes because we can watch Doctor Who on CBC.ca. Plus, the dvds come out soon....in November, I think.

Trek_Girl42
September 24th, 2007, 10:07 AM
I'm going with Heroes because we can watch Doctor Who on CBC.ca. Plus, the dvds come out soon....in November, I think.
I'm going with Heroes as well- only because I'm videotaping all of Doctor Who just in case the DVDs end up being more than the cash I've got saved, and I've only got one VCR, so I'll record Last of the Timelords and watch it right after. Of course the tv with the VCR is really crappy, and the tape is also really crappy, so it won't be ideal viewing. :(

Of course it just has to happen that these are two shows that don't get repeats. :(

Not to mention the season premiere of Corner Gas is also on, so I guess I'll have to miss that altogether. :(

It's disappointing that they're doing this- one of the things that I love about Doctor Who is the anticipation for the next episode, and because the seasons are so short, it just feels.....wrong, to air two on the same night.

P-90_177
September 24th, 2007, 10:24 AM
don't complain. we brits had to wait the week.

Trek_Girl42
September 24th, 2007, 10:57 AM
don't complain. we brits had to wait the week.
But that's part of the fun of Doctor Who! The anticipation! :D


Am I seriously the only person who appreciates that? :confused:

ShadowMaat
September 24th, 2007, 11:28 AM
But that's part of the fun of Doctor Who! The anticipation! :D


Am I seriously the only person who appreciates that? :confused:

Depends on how long the "anticipation" is forced to last. A week? No problem. A year? That's a little more touchy. And I'm thinking more in terms of the proposed year-long break for BSG's final season than the year-long siesta for DW.

Trek_Girl42
September 24th, 2007, 12:13 PM
Depends on how long the "anticipation" is forced to last. A week? No problem. A year? That's a little more touchy. And I'm thinking more in terms of the proposed year-long break for BSG's final season than the year-long siesta for DW.
Woah, yes, I mean watching the show week-to-week. Waiting a year= annoying. :P

P-90_177
September 24th, 2007, 12:21 PM
But that's part of the fun of Doctor Who! The anticipation! :D


Am I seriously the only person who appreciates that? :confused:

no i apreciate it but at the end of utopia you're desperate to watch the next part.

Trek_Girl42
September 24th, 2007, 12:31 PM
no i apreciate it but at the end of utopia you're desperate to watch the next part.
Exactly! I've been feeling that all week! And that's what makes it great! You know you've found something you love when it does that to you!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/Trek_Girl42/Doctor%20Who%20Smilies/DoctordrnkB.gif

Wordsmit2
September 24th, 2007, 01:02 PM
I mostly enjoyed it, except for most of the Futurekind crowd scenes, which felt like they were in desperate need of a choreographer, or at least an acting coach. But because I did enjoy so much of the episode, I resented being repeatedly kicked out of the drama by the annoyances:

Some of the editing was bewilderingly crude. Hopefully that was because it was the Sci-Fi Channel version?

The music. Ugh! It would have been a much more involving episode if there hadn't been any music. Instead, the mood kept getting spoiled by "42" crashing in at peculiar times.

I rolled my eyes when Yana, menacing Chantho with a sparking cable, identified himself. It cut into the suspense and turned the scene into a cliche. I rolled my eyes again when he named himself again later for no good reason. And when it got to the "Say my name!" scene I yelled at the screen "We know already!" Talk about sabotaging the drama. Why they didn't go with that scene alone as the great reveal? Sheesh! The audience who didn't know the significance would have been delightfully shocked that the Doctor knew him, and those that did know would have been cheering. Instead it was repetitive and felt like filler.

Pitry
September 24th, 2007, 01:02 PM
But that's part of the fun of Doctor Who! The anticipation! :D


Am I seriously the only person who appreciates that? :confused:

Aye. :P

Wordsmit2
September 24th, 2007, 01:18 PM
But that's part of the fun of Doctor Who! The anticipation! :D


Am I seriously the only person who appreciates that? :confused:

I'm with ShadowMaat on this. A week--great! Fine! Personally, I love seeing an episode per week. I can savor and speculate.

But a year? I'll have forgotten why I was interested by then. For example, I missed the first three episodes of the current series of Doctor Who before I happened to have a free hour that coincided with a broadcast.

PG15
September 24th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Well, I don't know how good Heroes was, but I think I made the right choice. "The Sound of Drums" was the most fun I had watching TV for a very long time.

At least 3 years, I would say.

Dumper
June 11th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Thank goodness for the last 5 minutes, otherwise this episode was nothing special at all. It's good to see Jack back but i felt the Doctor was unnecessarily cold towards him. So are we to believe that out of the entire universe and the entire length of the time-line, the Doctor just happens to land on a planet just in time for the Master to reappear? Just seems to me that it's pushing the believability factor way too much, even for Sci fi. :)

Madeleine
June 13th, 2008, 11:32 AM
So are we to believe that out of the entire universe and the entire length of the time-line, the Doctor just happens to land on a planet just in time for the Master to reappear? Just seems to me that it's pushing the believability factor way too much, even for Sci fi. :)

The Classic Who seemed to have established that the Tardis has a tendency to home in on weird stuff, to the extent of ignoring or adjusting the instructions the Doctor had given it :)

It's something that's continued in the new era. For example, it was supposed to go to London in the 1860s, but headed for Cardiff, because there was weirdness afoot; it was supposed to go to the 1980s but missed by 50 years, drawn by the Wire and the faceless people.

If the Tardis was, for some reason, to go forwards in time a little fast, it'd be more likely to end up heading for where the Master was than for any other specified place, I reckon.

P-90_177
June 13th, 2008, 11:39 AM
The Classic Who seemed to have established that the Tardis has a tendency to home in on weird stuff, to the extent of ignoring or adjusting the instructions the Doctor had given it :)

It's something that's continued in the new era. For example, it was supposed to go to London in the 1860s, but headed for Cardiff, because there was weirdness afoot; it was supposed to go to the 1980s but missed by 50 years, drawn by the Wire and the faceless people.

If the Tardis was, for some reason, to go forwards in time a little fast, it'd be more likely to end up heading for where the Master was than for any other specified place, I reckon.

indeed. I always like to think that the following was going through the TARDIS' mind at the beginning of that ep.

*Jack grabs on*

"Oh crap! Captain Jack! Must escape!

*TARDIS begins heading for oblivion......passes by Yana*

"Ooooh maybe he'll kill them instead."

Pharaoh Atem
October 5th, 2008, 06:40 AM
it was ok i think their could have reintroudeced the master better then this but meh

nice tio see jack back and that chat he and the doc had was great :D

gateship15
April 23rd, 2009, 04:15 AM
who knows something may have happened during the war and the tardis was destroyed and he made his memory go so the others if they survive don't find him but who knows anything couldhave happened

Coco Pops
January 1st, 2011, 07:50 AM
Sorry for the massive thread necro.....

But I've been watching this third series again and something in Utopia I still don't really get.

The Master turns himself human to escape the Daleks and the time war, but when he becomes Yana how the blazes did he end up at the end of the universe? And as for the "Utopia Project" that's been going for thousands of years so who or what sent the signal from that part of space for people to go there?

The project was active for thousands of years so it couldn't have been The Master that created that project. So something left unanswered I guess.

Any thoughts?

Utopia!
January 1st, 2011, 02:11 PM
Maybe humans ended-up here after they explored the universe... Maybe the Master chose to go there because he knew somehow, that the Doctor would find him... Maybe the Time Lords are behind this...
In my opinion, the Master was so scared of the Time War that he chose to run away and hide far from Gallifrey and the War... Indeed, the End of the Universe is a good place to hide! :lol:

Seriously, I guess this is, once again, an unanswered question. I'll try to watch again the episode...

Coco Pops
January 1st, 2011, 08:55 PM
Maybe humans ended-up here after they explored the universe... Maybe the Master chose to go there because he knew somehow, that the Doctor would find him... Maybe the Time Lords are behind this...
In my opinion, the Master was so scared of the Time War that he chose to run away and hide far from Gallifrey and the War... Indeed, the End of the Universe is a good place to hide! :lol:

Seriously, I guess this is, once again, an unanswered question. I'll try to watch again the episode...

I guess it's a lot of unanswered things since that signal started way before the Master had arrived. One of the many things that happen in Who that fans can speculate about.

maneth
July 24th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Great to see Captain Jack again! I enjoyed this episode, hope the next one is as good.

maneth
September 2nd, 2014, 09:46 AM
The Master is great!