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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
<DIV ALIGN=CENTER><TABLE WIDTH=450 BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=7><TR><TD STYLE="border:0;"><DIV ALIGN=LEFT><FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2 COLOR="#000000"><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s3/"><IMG SRC="http://www.scifistream.com/wp-content/uploads/306.jpg" WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=120 ALIGN=RIGHT HSPACE=10 VSPACE=2 BORDER=0 STYLE="border:1px solid #000;" ALT="Visit the Episode Guide"></A><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#888888">DOCTOR WHO SERIES 29</FONT>
<FONT SIZE=4><A HREF="http://www.scifistream.com/doctor-who/s3/" STYLE="text-decoration: none">THE LAZARUS EXPERIMENT</A></FONT>
<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2906</FONT>
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When he returns Martha home, the Doctor discovers a scientific genius who has created a machine he believes will give him eternal life. But he is not prepared for the horrible creature it turns him into.

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Admiral Mappalazarou
May 5th, 2007, 11:52 AM
The Doctor and Martha return to the present to find that a Mr Lazarus has the ability to turn young again, with disasterous concequences.

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 5th, 2007, 11:53 AM
WOW! I loved this episode, and considering how disappointed I was with the last two - it was fantastic!!

Now I have to wait two weeks.......poo. But the whole non-alien baddy was well cool. :)

Hulabaloo
May 5th, 2007, 12:10 PM
This was a great ep. It's also my Dad's birthday today. So we had a Chinese then watched this, it's got to be the first family meal we've ever had on a Saturday then watched Doctor Who, so this was a first.

It was a great ep. The baddy was great as was the storyline.

Lol, he gets slapped again. Hee.

Agreed hate the two weeks waiting thing. It stinks.

Jenn Calaelen
May 5th, 2007, 12:11 PM
It was an interesting episode - especially seeing the reaction of Martha's family to the doctor. It was good that her mother was suspicious of him, even before being told whatever she was told.

I think it is my second favourite episode this season after 'The Shakespere Code'.

pbellosom
May 5th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I really liked that, I'm guessing that Mr Saxon talking with Mrs Jones is the trap that is set for the Doctor that is closed in the final two parter. I'm thinking that if Mr Saxon is indeed the master then the regeneration machine will also appear again.

Following on from last weeks complaints about the science: Isn't PCR the only way to view DNA and doesn't that require chopping up the DNA so it wouldn't be mutating like that while the Doctor and Martha were looking at it?

The preview at the end was so cool.

Also the big evil monster thingy, who else thought it wouldn't look out of place in Mirrormask?

Madeleine
May 5th, 2007, 12:16 PM
This was more like it! The usual hokey science, but a cracking story, a decent script, and interesting characters.

I like the Doctor more when Daleks aren't involved. He's less passionate without being any less compassionate, and while DT does passion well, I prefer it when he does cool and rational.

Martha's siblings are good, and her Mum's instant antipathy towards the Doctor - even before the stranger told her stories about him - is a nice contrast to Jackie's instant come-ons.

:) at the Doctor cranking it up to eleven. :D at him still wearing those daps even with his suit.

Spoilers for I dunno what:
Corking trailer for the rest of the series. Jack! Sam from Life on Mars! Creepy people with heads made of hessian sacks!

The Signal
May 5th, 2007, 12:19 PM
Not a bad episode, the first 20 minutes were good, the next 15 were okay, the last 10 were fantastic. However, there was something missing from this ep, I dunno quite what, but something was just off.

The man talking to Martha's mother, creepy yes, but Saxon no, we know that Saxon is played by John Simm, and that's been confirmed by a number of people, including the actor himself.

Overall 7/10

The preview for the second half of the season was brilliant.

Admiral Mappalazarou
May 5th, 2007, 12:37 PM
I wanna see the guy from Life on Mars in it - he is going to be so cool. I hope he's as awesome as he was in Life on Mars...

Chaka's_Mum
May 5th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Plus Lazarus went on a rampage in the Senedd! Nice! Go Lazarus!

They're going to have great fun electing their new Cabinet next week 'cos they can't get in now the doors have been phutzed with the sonic screwdriver...

Seriously though, it's quite a testament to the thrall in which Dr Who holds Cardiff, if they're allowing the production team to film 'monster-inspired mayhem at a finger buffet' in the home of the National Assembly for Wales! That was not a set.

Though I notice that they were hiding the Senedd inside the National Museum again.

I enjoyed this one. The CGI monster was fantastic, with real attention to detail - the way his lower lip split in two and really opened his mouth up was fab.

Lazarus's utter disregard for his fellow humans was also pretty chilling - they were literally nothing more than food for him and he was completely indifferent to the loss of innocent people solely for his personal benefit. Nice performance from Mark Gatiss there.

And we've got to wait two whole weeks for the next ep - what a trailer!!!! The evil-doers! Making us wait that long!

beale947
May 5th, 2007, 12:44 PM
Not a bad episode, the first 20 minutes were good, the next 15 were okay, the last 10 were fantastic. However, there was something missing from this ep, I dunno quite what, but something was just off.

The man talking to Martha's mother, creepy yes, but Saxon no, we know that Saxon is played by John Simm, and that's been confirmed by a number of people, including the actor himself.

Overall 7/10

The preview for the second half of the season was brilliant.

Well your partly right...

Spoiler for the last 2/3 episodes of season 3

Well at the end of utopia or in the the sound of drums, the master regenerates from the guy we saw in this episode, who we found out at the end was the master. (The phone call from martha's mum at the end). He regenerates into "John Simm."

The Signal
May 5th, 2007, 12:58 PM
^That's speculation, nothing more, the content of my tags is fact, please try to keep the difference in mind until episodes 12 and 13 have aired :)

EDIT: In fact, having re-read your post, I think you have a few wires crossed in terms of the speculation regarding the finale, and the mind boggles at the number of paradoxes (paradi? paradoxs?) that would be involved if that were true

Billz
May 5th, 2007, 01:37 PM
This was a rather good episode, much better then last weeks one. I was surprised to see Lazerus 'dry out' his wife, I would of thought he would had made her his 'food server' just so they could get a profit out of people using the machine (all the newspapers kept saying she would turn out to be the main enemy). I didnt quite understand why the Doctor wanted Lazerus to go to the top of the bell tower. It would have made more sense to keep him close to the church organ as sounds waves would not be able to reflect off a bell that high up very well.

A cracking trailer at the end. I wonder what the Doctor meant in the trailer when he said 'I am not the Doctor'. Possibly a human duplicate, someone just impersonating the Doctor for all this time or something else completely different.

Also, Harold Saxon, he should stick to calling himself The Master, much nicer ring to it :cameron:

1 for the shippers:
In the trailer, who do you think was kissing Jack when he woke up and said what he did?

8/10 for the episode, 10/10 for the trailer.

Missster.Freeman
May 5th, 2007, 01:45 PM
Never mind the episode. What about that preview?!

When the Doctor did a double-take and re-materialised, my faith in Doctor Who had been restored. It was business as usual. And thank goodness for that after the very disappointing two part Dalek story.

Poor old Mavis Riley. Squeezed like an orange. heh heh heh.

That was smart thinking of Martha to offer her hand to Lazarus in order to obtain a DNA sample. Way to go Martha! She is a smart cookie. I like the rest of the Jones'; I thought they were going to be yet another dysfunctional family, but they seem like a nice down to earth bunch.

I was getting a bit worried when I noticed Tish straggling behind when they were in the cathedral searching for Lazarus. I had this feeling come over me that she was going to end up as a monster snack. Surely that would never have happened? It would have been a total shock if she was killed.

Man, I can't think straight. I'm still reeling from that trailer. Two weeks to wait for another episode. Bah!

Verona
May 5th, 2007, 02:53 PM
This was a rather good episode, much better then last weeks one. I was surprised to see Lazerus 'dry out' his wife, I would of thought he would had made her his 'food server' just so they could get a profit out of people using the machine (all the newspapers kept saying she would turn out to be the main enemy). I didnt quite understand why the Doctor wanted Lazerus to go to the top of the bell tower. It would have made more sense to keep him close to the church organ as sounds waves would not be able to reflect off a bell that high up very well.

A cracking trailer at the end. I wonder what the Doctor meant in the trailer when he said 'I am not the Doctor'. Possibly a human duplicate, someone just impersonating the Doctor for all this time or something else completely different.

Also, Harold Saxon, he should stick to calling himself The ****** , much nicer ring to it :cameron:

1 for the shippers:
In the trailer, who do you think was kissing Jack when he woke up and said what he did?

8/10 for the episode, 10/10 for the trailer.

Liked this episode,liked it even more when I realised the locations included Wells cathedral (went to Avalon and the Friday auction was held inside) its always a buzz for me to spot things like that (sad I know).
As for the trailer the scarecrow things look to be very creepy I can see them making the next batch of action figures wait and see. HAROLD SAXON!
SHAME ON YOU NO SPOILER TAGS I go out of my way not to know whats coming up now I am gonna sulk. Oh my guess on who kissed Jack is Martha.

Matt G
May 5th, 2007, 03:07 PM
1. A human genetic trigger that causes monsterism. Yeah right.

2. Did like the Doctor passing on his experience of long life.

3. The dodgy security geezer badmouthing the Doctor, Torchwood or worse? Probably worse given the references to "Mr Saxon" and we all know the rumours about him! ;)

4. Family, understandable snark given that Martha has changed overnight.

5. Decent way to make Martha a TARDIS regular.

Overall, pretty solid, possibly has the edge over the Dalek eps, still have Shakespeare code as best ep of the season so far though.

Alipeeps
May 5th, 2007, 06:37 PM
A cracking trailer at the end. I wonder what the Doctor meant in the trailer when he said 'I am not the Doctor'. Possibly a human duplicate, someone just impersonating the Doctor for all this time or something else completely different.

That trailer had me seriously wondering about what goes on in the next ep - there seemed to be a couple of moments where the Dr didn't seem to be the Dr (the bit where he's asking ?Martha (I think?) "What does he *do* for you?" etc) and made me start wondering if we're looking at some kind of mind swap thing? There's also that clip of him screaming with some kind of apparatus on his head... Dammit! Two weeks! :mad:



1 for the shippers:
In the trailer, who do you think was kissing Jack when he woke up and said what he did?

I was assuming that clip meant someone had been giving Jack CPR?


When the Doctor did a double-take and re-materialised, my faith in Doctor Who had been restored. It was business as usual. And thank goodness for that after the very disappointing two part Dalek story.

Heh. Me too. I totally called it... as the Tardis started to reappear, I actually said to hubby, "It'll be 'Hang on, did he just say "reinvent the human race?"'" :lol:

I really enjoyed this ep. It had all the humour, pace, action, drama and pathos that was missing from the last two episodes. One of my faves this series I think...

ShadowMaat
May 5th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Great ep, vast improvement over last week. 'S funny, but I saw something on Discovery Channel a few weeks (months?) back about the Early Early stages of life on Earth and there was something that could have been a small cousin to the scorpion thing Lazarus became. Junk DNA indeed. ;)

The real treasure, of course, was in the preview. OMG! Taunting us with snippets from the whole rest of the season! AAUUGHH!

YAY! JACK! *HUGGLES* Back where he belongs. :D And the scary Scarecrow Men. And JOHN FRAKKING SIMM!! WOOHOO!

I'm hopelessly muddled on the whole Saxon issue, though I suppose regeneration could solve some of those questions.

I still say the Evil Old Man from the Torchwood finale ties into things (I'm hopelessly stubborn about this) and if so that might explain the Doctor not being the Docotor (EOM could cause people to "see" loved ones).

Frakking Eurovision...

lord-anubis
May 5th, 2007, 07:50 PM
i liked this ep lot more then i thought. i thought it was just going to be a avrge ep. the monster looked cool remind me of the mosters on doom3 a little. loved the line about how it took long to revse the porlite and when the doctor had to trun the sound to 11. it sucks about haveing to wait 2 weeks for the next ep it looks really good.

Willow'sCat
May 6th, 2007, 12:41 AM
How dare they put that preview there! I can't even remember this ep now. :p

*yay*


spoilers for next ep/sCapt Jack, but um, why? I thought he wasn't due until the last ep? And well this isn't the last ep. So he is in more then one ep? Not that I am complaining or anything. :D

Back to this ep, I liked it, at least it had humour and The Doctor in his glasses *g* I couldn't quite follow it but that may have been becasue half way through I had to go out :o so I watched it in two parts.

Why do the mother's have to be so over-bearing???? I mean one was enough without this one being even worse! And it is not like their daughters are little girls, over-protective much? :cool:

I must be one of the few who has managed to avoid almost all the spoilers around Mr Saxon, I have a vauge idea of who or what he is meant to be but that is it. ;)

Over-all from what I can recall this was a much, much better episode then the last couple and thankfully it looks like the show just had a small hiccup and is OK again. :D :p

*goes away to wait two weeks* :(

doylefan22
May 6th, 2007, 02:09 AM
spoilers for next ep/sCapt Jack, but um, why? I thought he wasn't due until the last ep? And well this isn't the last ep. So he is in more then one ep? Not that I am complaining or anything. :D

Jack is in the last three episodes. I'm assuming that since we saw clips of John Simm there too that means they've shown us clips of every remaining story at least (with 2 two parters to come we've got 5 stories over 7 episodes).

Willow'sCat
May 6th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Jack is in the last three episodes. I'm assuming that since we saw clips of John Simm there too that means they've shown us clips of every remaining story at least (with 2 two parters to come we've got 5 stories over 7 episodes).Yeah that is what I was beginning to think... that this preview was for the remaining eps. ;)

Not that I mind waiting, waiting for Capt Jack is becoming a past time of mine. :p And I did see the clip on Parkinson for the next ep and it didn't meld with what was in this preview.

Are we sure Capt Jack is in all three eps? I thought it was now only one? :cool:

doylefan22
May 6th, 2007, 02:43 AM
Are we sure Capt Jack is in all three eps? I thought it was now only one? :cool:

Yup. Somewhere I've got the scan from the Radio Times with the episode guide written by RTD. Jack's back in ep 11 'Utopia' guest staring along with Derek Jacobi. Then he sticks around for for eps 12/13 too. I assume he leaves at the end of them since he's needed back for Torchwood season 2.

Reefgirl
May 6th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Why do the mother's have to be so over-bearing???? I mean one was enough without this one being even worse! And it is not like their daughters are little girls, over-protective much?

I take it you don't have daughters? I'm nearly 40 and my mother still asks me if I'm sure I'll be warm enough with out my cardigan and I'm exactly the same with my daughter, you can generally find me hovering by the garden gate if she's more than five minutes late home from school.

Anyway I digress

This is what we've been waiting for, Hokey Monsters, men who want to take over the world for profit and screaming assistants. At long bloody last a Dr Who episode of old, this was great stuff and more than made up for the disappointment of the last two weeks and a thousand curses on the BBC and Terry Wogan. I could have done without the Phantom of Southwark Cathederal and more of the Holier Than Thou preaching from the Doctor, I'm getting really sick of the preaching now. I too thought Thelma Barlow was going to have a bigger part, or maybe she'll be back, somehow.

And as for the preview...blow up Helsinki and give us the next ep of Dr Who

And as for who kissed Capt Jack...
My money is on the Doctor, we all know Jack swings both ways
Edit How could I forget mentioning me chuckling at the 'Reversing the Polarity' gag

Pitry
May 6th, 2007, 05:36 AM
I dunno what was better, Martha's mum slapping the Doctor (and his response, huh!) or him reversing the polarity...

Oh, yeah, I know what was the best part, the preview... :D

But, preview aside, the episode was fantastic. Mark Gattiss is definitely a better actor than he is a writer, cough. :) and I liked the crab, really well done. And Martha's dysfunctional family. I dunno, I like their dysfunctional families!

As for the trailer...


1 for the shippers:
In the trailer, who do you think was kissing Jack when he woke up and said what he did?


The Doctor. That's my version and I'm sticking to it (til proven otherwise :P)

pbellosom
May 6th, 2007, 05:37 AM
Edit How could I forget mentioning me chuckling at the 'Reversing the Polarity' gag

I was the only person in my house who got that.

Edit: Oh I completely forgot, when the lady was drained of her life energy by the evil guy, who else thought of the Wraith, the victims even looked the same.

Reefgirl
May 6th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Edit: Oh I completely forgot, when the lady was drained of her life energy by the evil guy, who else thought of the Wraith, the victims even looked the same.
I have to admit I did think 'Wraith Victim'

Anubis69
May 6th, 2007, 07:40 AM
him reversing the polarity...

That was awesome, nearly as good as the Spinal Tap reference! :D

I also loved the effects of Captain Monster-face falling from the top of the church cathedral ;) to the floor. It just seemed flawless. Really felt the impact. Excellent ep.

The highlight was obviously the trailer at the end though. I didn't think I could buy Sam Tyler as an evil do-er but that creepy smile... And then the lifeless tapping of the desk. I can't wait...

Scoobing
May 6th, 2007, 07:55 AM
About the tapping - possible spoilers

I'm guessing that wasn't lifeless tapping, notice how it sounded like drums, and Saxon was the only one awake in the room, cabinet room it looked like. And the penultimate ep of the season is called "The Sound of Drums"

Looked pretty creepy and sinister though, loved it!

Commander Ivanova
May 6th, 2007, 09:33 AM
Glad to see Who's back on form. Much more like it.
And as for the trailer, words fail me. If all that is coming next week I'd better start my deep breathing exercises now.

Scoobing
May 6th, 2007, 09:59 AM
That was a trailer for the second half of the season. Sadly because of eurovision , the next episode won't be for two weeks. :(

Missster.Freeman
May 6th, 2007, 10:14 AM
About the tapping - possible spoilers

I'm guessing that wasn't lifeless tapping, notice how it sounded like drums, and Saxon was the only one awake in the room, cabinet room it looked like. And the penultimate ep of the season is called "The Sound of Drums"

Looked pretty creepy and sinister though, loved it! The tapping - I read a comment on another forum that it's the underbeat from the Doctor Who theme Saxon is drumming out on the desk. So I loaded up the trailer again at the Doctor Who website and replayed it a few times. I dunno, it is quite hard to make out, but does sound a bit like it.

doylefan22
May 6th, 2007, 10:43 AM
And as for who kissed Capt Jack...
My money is on the Doctor, we all know Jack swings both ways

I doubt we'll be seeing any m/m kissing on BBC1 on a Saturday night somehow...My guess would be it would have been Martha but she wasn't kissing him, she was performing CPR (which makes sense if rumours of how Jack gets into the TARDIS are true.)

Pitry
May 6th, 2007, 11:18 AM
I doubt we'll be seeing any m/m kissing on BBC1 on a Saturday night somehow...My guess would be it would have been Martha but she wasn't kissing him, she was performing CPR (which makes sense if rumours of how Jack gets into the TARDIS are true.)

Y'know, Jack did kiss the Doctor in Parting of the Ways...

doylefan22
May 6th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Y'know, Jack did kiss the Doctor in Parting of the Ways...

Not in the way they'd show on Torchwood though :D And there's also the fact that the Doctor allegedly isn't going to be too happy about what's happened to Jack...

Hulabaloo
May 6th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Lol.

About the kissing, my money is also on the Doctor. But it'll most likely be Martha. *sigh*

As for the slapping I reckon it'll be a tradition from now on. Lol it was funny though.

Oh and the tux. He should wear it more often, though I am a fan of the trenchcoat.
James Bond. Hee!

Pitry
May 6th, 2007, 01:40 PM
Lol.

About the kissing, my money is also on the Doctor. But it'll most likely be Martha. *sigh*

As for the slapping I reckon it'll be a tradition from now on. Lol it was funny though.

Oh and the tux. He should wear it more often, though I am a fan of the trenchcoat.
James Bond. Hee!

Oh, I'm sure he'll stay as far away as possible from companion's mums from now on. I mean, first Jackie, now Martha's mum (what's her name again?)? He really doesn't deserve this! :D

As for the spoiler-tag conversation...
no, true, don't expect it to be a Torchwood kiss, don't worry. I still enjoy the thoughts. As for the bit about not being happy with Jack, it's not Jack's fault, it's Rose's, and he can't blame Jack for it - and obviously, he keeps on working with him, there were quite a lot of shots of the Doctor running with Jacks in corridors (and some of them didn't include Martha, too...) - do we really need any more proof he's still a companion? :D

Reefgirl
May 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM
From what I can see from the trailer

It looks like it's back in time, possibly when Jack was hiding during WW2
Just a thought

pbellosom
May 6th, 2007, 01:57 PM
(which makes sense if rumours of how Jack gets into the TARDIS are true.)

What are these rumours?

Alipeeps
May 6th, 2007, 03:18 PM
That trailer had me seriously wondering about what goes on in the next eps - there seemed to be a couple of moments where the Dr didn't seem to be the Dr (the bit where he's asking ?Martha (I think?) "What does he *do* for you?" etc) and made me start wondering if we're looking at some kind of mind swap thing? There's also that clip of him screaming with some kind of apparatus on his head... Dammit! Two weeks! :mad:

Quoting myself here but another thought occured:

The Dr somehow losing (or having wiped) his memory?


Jack is in the last three episodes. I'm assuming that since we saw clips of John Simm there too that means they've shown us clips of every remaining story at least (with 2 two parters to come we've got 5 stories over 7 episodes).

Soooo much to look forward to in this season! Eeep!


I was the only person in my house who got that.


I didn't get that reference. Can someone explain?

ShadowMaat
May 6th, 2007, 03:20 PM
I think the "reverse the polarity" thing is probably from Star Trek, but I remember it best from a play called Return to the Forbidden Planet. ;)

Willow'sCat
May 6th, 2007, 04:02 PM
I take it you don't have daughters?I hate kids so that would be a big huge NO! :D



I'm nearly 40 and my mother still asks me if I'm sure I'll be warm enough with out my cardigan and I'm exactly the same with my daughter, you can generally find me hovering by the garden gate if she's more than five minutes late home from school.
Well you seem to be saying you have a very young child and that is not what I was talking about. Neither Rose nor Martha are young. Not by today's standards.

And worrying is different from slapping your daughters potential boyfriend because you have issues with men due to your own marriage falling apart. :cool: And or rumours from others who you seem to respect more then what your own daughter is telling you. :rolleyes:

And maybe coming from a large family my mother was over the whole "over-protective" crap by the time I was on the scene, plus she wouldn't see me for the dust if she pulled a stunt like that around a guy I was interested in, family or not. :cool: :rolleyes: Something about respecting an adults right to make choices even when you don't agree. ;)

I just think Doctor Who should avoid the same tired theme this time around and let Martha be a grown women and respond as one not as a little girl looking for his or anyone else's approval. *I ask too much* :S

Indum'kra
May 6th, 2007, 04:49 PM
I think the "reverse the polarity" thing is probably from Star Trek, but I remember it best from a play called Return to the Forbidden Planet. ;)

The Third doctor used 'reverse the polarity' all the time from saving a planet to fixing his toaster.

doylefan22
May 6th, 2007, 05:16 PM
What are these rumours?

A while back someone posted a transcript of how Jack got back onto the TARDIS as they said the scene had already been viewed by some and the info had leaked. Many dismissed it but from what we saw in the trailer it very definitely could be true.

Basically, the TARDIS is in Cardiff refuelling and is about to leave when Jack run up to it and literally dives on it. He then holds on for dear life as it hurtles through time and space. This I believe leads to Martha doing CPR before Jack wakes and the Doctor realising that no one should possibly be able to survive that.

There was much more detail in the original article but I really can't find it so that's just from memory.

It doesn't seem to quite fit in with what we saw at the end of Torchwood but in the trailer there is a scene of Jack running across Cardiff Bay then leaping so...

Easter Lily
May 7th, 2007, 12:34 AM
I didn't get that reference. Can someone explain?
It's something that the Pertwee Doctor was fond of saying... ;)
Edit: Ooops... just realised that someone else has answered the question.

Fun episode... not strikingly original... but very enjoyable. The crab monster reminded me of the cockroach from MIB for some reason or other.
The acting from David Tennant was top notch here. Mark Gatiss was good too... not the usual over the top villain. I LOVED The Hollow Man references.

Don't care for Mrs Jones... for some reason she annoyed me. She seemed more arrogant than concerned IMO. My mother's overprotective (I'm in my mid-thirties with 2 kids and she still treats me like I'm 6) but that woman seemed to me... for want of a better word... catty...

One of the things I love so much about the Pertwee Doctor was that he embodied the qualities of the renaissance man that I've always thought the Doctor should be. It's wonderful to see Tennant's Doctor demonstrating that. I adored the pipe organ scene... I'm not sure how all that works scientifically... but darn it... it was good fun... (Spider-Man 3 had something similar, interestingly enough)

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2007, 02:06 AM
I didn't get that reference. Can someone explain?
During the classic series days, whenever something went wrong with the tardis or the Doctor needed to tinker with some kind of alien tech he'd 'Reverse the Polarity' because it happened so often it became a standing joke

icelandicwolf
May 7th, 2007, 04:16 AM
SPOLIER ALERT!!!!


About time Mr Saxon, showed his real face....say hello to a sadly tashless Master....was discussing with my parents the other day about why he has not turned up yet, as i could not really see him helping the timelords in the timewar as they never really got on.
Also waiting for the return of Davros and the other Dalek faction....


ETA: guys, when you have spoilers for upcoming episodes, please put them in tags. Using the little balloon with the exclamation mark, or by typing 'spoiler' or 'spoilers' inside brackets []

pbellosom
May 7th, 2007, 05:12 AM
Quoting myself here but another thought occured:

The Dr somehow losing (or having wiped) his memory?

I didn't get that reference. Can someone explain?

If you read the spoilers on wikipedia it explains what the memory loss thing is about, I reckon it should be pretty acurate since the episode is based on an eigth doctor novel.

As for reversing the polarity of the nuetron flow, it was the thrid (?) doctor's catchphrase.

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2007, 05:33 AM
Well you seem to be saying you have a very young child and that is not what I was talking about. Neither Rose nor Martha are young. Not by today's standards.

My daughter is 13 this year and what I'm saying is that worrying about your daughter is something that is inbuilt into a woman's genes I think. My dad had a great saying that I think is very true "A son is a son until he takes a wife but a daughter is a daughter all her life" basically a mother will worry about her daughter forever, I know I do

Dusk
May 7th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Well, um, that said, scene transitions in this episode were a bit shabby and too fractured, and it was really obvious that the entire visual effects budget was used up on Lazarus and stripped from other particulars (eg. "orange squeezing", morphing between monster and man...).

The Doctor lectures Lazarus on arrogance... :sheppardanime31:

Something else is beginning to irritate me, and that is: the Doctor has seen the future, and arrives in a point in the past where an event occurs that could change the future he's seen... how is this possible without the use of a time machine? How can an event occur, a monster, a disaster, etc, that affects the future, but has not been initiated by time sabotage? So if the Doctor hadn't intervened in this episode, what difference would it make to the future if this was MEANT to happen?

Do y'all get what I'm saying?

Anyway, a much better installment than the last fortnight. And quite an interesting tease at upcoming eps... and this trap that seems to be being laid out for the Doctor... I just hope it's clever enough to believeabley fool him, and not something simple and obvious that he failed to see.

The alien planet episode looks to be the one to watch in the back half of this season.. I'll be watching in anticipation.

Elinor
May 7th, 2007, 06:57 AM
Hmmmm...don't really know what to say about this episode. It was good, better than last week's, but not as good as 'The Shakespeare Code' and 'Gridlock'. It just felt like 'something and nothing' for me. I liked the SFX...where the mouth on the creature split open. :eek: Cool!!


I have to admit I did think 'Wraith Victim'

Oh me to! I'm sure Russell Davies is a Gater. There have been a few times, in the last 3 seasons, when I've thought 'Yay...Stargate'!!

Next episode's trailer looks FAB!! Can't wait for this!!

:)

Fate
May 7th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Now there is no doubt that...

The master does indeed have a hand in things. The doctor did realise that the machine was trying to replicate a time lord regeneration. The master needs it to regenerate again. Anyway i dont think that mr saxon is the master. He might just be using mr saxon! And that security gard boncer guy cant have been mr saxon as someone probably would have recognised someone running for prime minister. And another thought from the preview trailer...
Maybe Captain jack is the doctors son!!?!!


Two weeks till 42? Nooooooooo

Burn with me.

Elinor
May 7th, 2007, 07:47 AM
Maybe Captain jack is the doctors son!!?!!



Wow! Now there's an interesting thought!

:)

Reefgirl
May 7th, 2007, 08:53 AM
Wow! Now there's an interesting thought!

:)

I wonder what the Slash writers would make of that? :lol:

Fate
May 7th, 2007, 09:32 AM
Wow! Now there's an interesting thought!

:)

It would fit everything together nicely wouldnt it!

dosed150
May 7th, 2007, 10:07 AM
that guy in the black suit telling mrs jones about the doctor reminded me a lot of mr morden from babylon 5

ShadowMaat
May 7th, 2007, 10:27 AM
Gotta say, the Wraith never even crossed my mind. Guess it shows how far I've gotten out of Atlantis... and maybe how far Atlantis has gotten from the Wraith, anyway. :P

Of course, I'd also just finished reading a story about a life-sucking (ka-devouring) Egyptian mummy, so my thoughts were decidedly elsewhere...

Promethius30
May 7th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Is this the first time it mentions Saxon this season i think is?

Missster.Freeman
May 7th, 2007, 11:08 AM
that guy in the black suit telling mrs jones about the doctor reminded me a lot of mr morden from babylon 5Yeah, he does seem to have that "what do you want?" middle-man thing about him. I've a feeling he is the friendly representative for his "master", Mr Saxon.

ShadowMaat
May 7th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Is this the first time it mentions Saxon this season i think is?

No, he's been mentioned a few times prior to this (verbally or written) but this is the first time we've actually seen him. Assuming "Mysterious Guy" really was Saxon.

Verona
May 7th, 2007, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=Elinor
Oh me to! I'm sure Russell Davies is a Gater. There have been a few times, in the last 3 seasons, when I've thought 'Yay...Stargate'!!

Next episode's trailer looks FAB!! Can't wait for this!!

:)[/QUOTE]

Bit off topic (and prob a bit strange but it popped into my head as I read this so I thought I'd share) I remember hearing Gary (name escapes me) who is the editor of the DWM speaking about Russell when the series was first in production and telling how even before DW Russel used to go into WH Smiths in Manchester on the day the mag came out and re-arrange the shelves so all that showed in the si fi section was Doctor Who. Well I was impressed,
wonder if he still does it.

Fate
May 7th, 2007, 03:28 PM
No, he's been mentioned a few times prior to this (verbally or written) but this is the first time we've actually seen him. Assuming "Mysterious Guy" really was Saxon.

It wasn't him. People would recogise a poitical figure.

ShadowMaat
May 7th, 2007, 08:24 PM
It wasn't him. People would recogise a poitical figure.

That's what I thought, but the whole "And this comes from Saxon himself" thing seems a little odd if it wasn't from Saxon himself but just one of his lackeys.

Promethius30
May 8th, 2007, 07:39 AM
No, he's been mentioned a few times prior to this (verbally or written) but this is the first time we've actually seen him. Assuming "Mysterious Guy" really was Saxon.

Thanks

ShadowMaat
May 8th, 2007, 09:17 AM
Don't thank me, apparently my info was wrong: we still haven't seen him. :P

Reefgirl
May 8th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I think the current theory is that 'Mysterious Guy' is Saxon's lacky his 'Mr Morden'

Saxon is The Master, played by John 'Sam Tyler from Life on Mars' Simm, which was the worst kept secret of the series

Locutus_Of_Borg
May 10th, 2007, 03:11 AM
do we know who Mr. Saxon is.

Because i had this feeling it could have been The Master but i thought we got rid of him in the 1996 movie but he could easily come back.

Or was that just a vibe i got, anyone know who he is?

because it would make sense that "the doctor is not alone" from a previous episode.

MechaThor
May 23rd, 2007, 05:08 AM
DAM that monster looked well good! Why can't Stargate have monsters like that.
It reminded me of a Manticore (one of my fav mythological beasts)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore

Isn't Mr Saxon from SuperSmash Bros on the gamecube as a throw item?????

Trek_Girl42
July 31st, 2007, 12:19 AM
Great ep. Doctor Who is back after whatever it was that was standing in last week! :D

Love the Saxon mentions, can't wait for that story to get truly underway. :) Also like Martha's family so far, very different from Rose's, Martha's mother slapping The Doctor was hilarious. :P

As was "reversing the polarity". :D

The monster looked great, acting was excellent, really liked some of the music in there. All in all fabulous. Loved Doc in the tux too.. "Science geek" hehe. :P

And had to search out that preview mentioned in this thread (we only got one for 42)

Wow, that tapping looks/sounds cool! And Jack! Jack! JACK!

MmmmMcKAy
July 31st, 2007, 10:49 AM
Okay, who the heck is this Master everyone keeps talking about?

Good episode but I wouldn't call it great. I enjoyed Gridlock more for some reason.

Wonder what that guy told Martha's mum?

Martha has no qualms at all about taking off with The Doctor and leaving her family/medical school behind. Of course she's only been gone 12 hours so far.;) She's really hooked on both him and the adventure.

I was glad to finally see Martha in a different outfit. she looked great as did The Doctor in his tux.

ukray
August 1st, 2007, 02:36 AM
Here is somthing for scifistream, if you are doing each TV split into there continuities, well there was a spin off called Torchwood and a one of called saraah jane adventures (unknowen if there is going to be series to it).

SGalisa
August 11th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Okay, who the heck is this Master everyone keeps talking about?
"The MASTER" is a Long time arch-enemy and nemesis of "the Doctor". Former schoolmate of the Doctor's, too from Gallifrey (the planet the Doctor grew up/lived on). The Master was a genius Time Lord, but bored with life on Gallifrey, and rebelled against sticking to the Time Lords "rules and regulations" about their non-intervention policies with other lifeforms, etc. So, he set himself up and out a long time ago to cruise around the universe and continue on with his mischievous actions -- a bully for a Time Lord, if that makes better sense. The Master thrives on breaking the rules, and is almost always referred to as
"THE MASTER"... and I think he's also a "master of disguises" too (a bit bedeviling..) ;)

The Master first appeared in the *CLASSIC* Doctor Who series, I think during Jon Pertwee's era -- Jon Pertwee is the 3rd appearance of the Doctor, excluding the Peter Cushing movies.

According to the original *classic* Doctor Who series, the Master used up all of his 12 regenerations cycle, but (I think) stole another lifetime's worth of cycles from one of his own people (the Time Lords). So, in a way, the Master is sort of like DW's "Ming the Merciless" - and deviant to the core!
The Master has devoted his entire DW series life either attempting to foil the Doctor's plans (of being kind and generous), or destroy the Doctor in some method, even if he has to lie about the Doctor's identity.

Probably the best (introductory) episode for the MASTER vs. the Doctor, was a Tom Baker classic
"THE DEADLY ASSASSIN" ... music might have been a little horrendous, but the creative plot made up more than enough to compensate for the lack of sets and cheap budget for its production time era. ;)

As the Doctor would agree with the following statement in knowing *who* the Master is and what his ultimate goals for universal domination are--

"The more things change, the more they stay the same..." :D

SGalisa
August 11th, 2007, 03:00 PM
Wonder what that guy told Martha's mum?

Martha has no qualms at all about taking off with The Doctor and leaving her family/medical school behind. Of course she's only been gone 12 hours so far.;) She's really hooked on both him and the adventure.

whatever it was, Martha's mum told Martha that she was told nothing BUT "Death and destruction follow him (the Doctor) around wherever he goes" (or something to that effect)
(well gee, can't imagine why..! and he's out on his own rescue missions to stop it from destroying more lives!)


Oooooooooo! :D
and I thought it had something to do with Torchwood (echoing the Queen's own rant from the werewolf and witches episodes).. interesting correlation (connections) of DW's entire series continuity there, too.. :)

by the looks of this "MASTER" rumor, things might be heating up - as they did in the original *classic* series. If TORCHWOOD *is* (and we all know now that it is) an
anagram ("a word or phrase spelled by rearranging the letters of another word or phrase")..
for DOCTORWHO

that would make more sense --now-- on how TORCHWOOD is supposedly the enemy headquarter's set against everything the DOCTOR (DOCTOR WHO) stands for. Interesting.. :p

gosh, now where would the Doctor's life be without having the MASTER constantly bullying him around the universe.. :D

MmmmMcKAy
August 11th, 2007, 05:05 PM
SGalisa: Thanks for all that information on "The Master". :) I'm completely ignorant when it comes to classic Doctor Who.


The Master and The Doctor squaring off sounds exciting. Hope it happens in some form later this series.

Trek_Girl42
August 11th, 2007, 05:56 PM
SGalisa: Thanks for all that information on "The Master". :) I'm completely ignorant when it comes to classic Doctor Who.


The Master and The Doctor squaring off sounds exciting. Hope it happens in some form later this series.
Thanks from me as well! Good to have some background info. :)

Can't wait for The Master to show up this series. :D

MasySyma
August 11th, 2007, 08:42 PM
I liked this episode. It was fun, and it was a good time. I can't say much that hasn't been said about the great parts of the episode. I liked Martha's sister but hated her mother. I also prefer Martha to Rose because the former has a brain.

The bad parts were not the shows fault.

1. SciFi didn't show the niffty trailer. No 2nd half preview here. :(

2. They also showed commercials ever 7-10 minutes. At one point, they showed nine commercials, seven minutes of the episode, and 11 more commercials. It's no wonder ratings are down in the US. With the DVD coming out soon, people can just avoid the channel if they haven't already "seen" the episodes.

I hate SciFi, but I enjoy Doctor Who.

Flyboy
August 12th, 2007, 01:30 AM
I liked this episode. It was fun, and it was a good time. I can't say much that hasn't been said about the great parts of the episode. I liked Martha's sister but hated her mother. I also prefer Martha to Rose because the former has a brain.

The bad parts were not the shows fault.

1. SciFi didn't show the niffty trailer. No 2nd half preview here. :(

2. They also showed commercials ever 7-10 minutes. At one point, they showed nine commercials, seven minutes of the episode, and 11 more commercials. It's no wonder ratings are down in the US. With the DVD coming out soon, people can just avoid the channel if they haven't already "seen" the episodes.

I hate SciFi, but I enjoy Doctor Who.
Indeed, when I visited the US and watched television I felt like I was watching advertisments with occasional program breaks. As opposed to programs with advert breaks.

SGalisa
August 12th, 2007, 09:09 AM
SGalisa: Thanks for all that information on "The Master". :) I'm completely ignorant when it comes to classic Doctor Who.

The Master and The Doctor squaring off sounds exciting. Hope it happens in some form later this series.


Thanks from me as well! Good to have some background info. :)

you're both welcome! :)
somehow, I have a feeling (uncle martin's radar tingling type) that the Master will be back. It's just a matter of when and how he is revealed.


1. SciFi didn't show the niffty trailer. No 2nd half preview here. :(

I saw it, and I live in the USA. It was shown at the end of the ep's first viewing slot (8pm-9pm, EST).
But I don't really remember what it was about, at the moment. I only remembered being surprisingly *awed* that it was actually being shown.


I liked Martha's sister but hated her mother....

The bad parts were not the shows fault.
...
2. They also showed commercials ever 7-10 minutes. At one point, they showed nine commercials, seven minutes of the episode, and 11 more commercials.

that's so that you can get up and walk (NOT *run*) to the bathroom, or get a snack to munch on, and hopefully be back in time before the show starts again. ;)

I only made that discovery when I had to do that a few times, and RAN to the bathroom, hurried up and RAN back to the pause control remote to cut out some commercials, and still had plenty of time left over.. :D

MasySyma
August 13th, 2007, 06:43 PM
that's so that you can get up and walk (NOT *run*) to the bathroom, or get a snack to munch on, and hopefully be back in time before the show starts again. ;)

I only made that discovery when I had to do that a few times, and RAN to the bathroom, hurried up and RAN back to the pause control remote to cut out some commercials, and still had plenty of time left over.. :D

Some of us remember to go before the episode starts. :)

SGalisa
August 15th, 2007, 03:46 PM
har, har.. :D
that only works until dinner starts getting a groovin on the move to make more room below, and sudden cramps badger your insides - until you relent and *have to run*... :eek:
snacking on popcorn or salad or any food ruffage can and sometimes does cause that effect, too.
(I know a few people who wait until the last second, before it's "CLEAR the path!! time") :p

and then there are some folks who have bladder problems every 10 minutes to the bathroom, so going ahead of time doesn't always work... ;)

Anubis69
August 16th, 2007, 08:04 AM
har, har.. :D
that only works until dinner starts getting a groovin on the move to make more room below, and sudden cramps badger your insides - until you relent and *have to run*... :eek:
snacking on popcorn or salad or any food ruffage can and sometimes does cause that effect, too.
(I know a few people who wait until the last second, before it's "CLEAR the path!! time") :p

and then there are some folks who have bladder problems every 10 minutes to the bathroom, so going ahead of time doesn't always work... ;)
What's wrong with carrier bags and bottles?
:P

pbellosom
November 28th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Just rewatched this episode and am trying to work out why I remember it as being so mediocre. One thing that really bugged me about it though was the Doctor's insistence that what Lazarus was doing was wrong, evil before it started going all wrong. It just seemed incredibly hypocritical for the Doctor to be lecturing others on how it's wrong for someone to want to expand their lifespan by making themselves younger.

Madeleine
November 29th, 2008, 05:22 AM
Just rewatched this episode and am trying to work out why I remember it as being so mediocre. One thing that really bugged me about it though was the Doctor's insistence that what Lazarus was doing was wrong, evil before it started going all wrong. It just seemed incredibly hypocritical for the Doctor to be lecturing others on how it's wrong for someone to want to expand their lifespan by making themselves younger.

I suppose if he knew that the thing was dangerous, he was justified in telling Lazarus that he had no right to make himself younger and putting the audience at risk by doing so

But otherwise, yes, I agree. Which is one reason I quite like those scenes where someone - eg Queen Victoria, Jackie, Donna or even Davros - bring the Doctor up short and puncture his self-satisfiedness. I like my heroes to be flawed, but more than that, I like other characters to notice their flaws from time to time.

gateship15
November 30th, 2008, 01:20 AM
great episode i love the doctor and Martha in this episode i also like the fact that a mutation was coursed by Lazarus making himself younger showing the possibilitys of evaluation

Coco Pops
January 1st, 2009, 06:54 AM
Actually Lazarus brings up a nitpick for me.

In the finale of that series The Master tells The Doctor that all that was part of his plan to get rid of him. Implying he knew aobut the technology Lazarus was using, and or helped him.

The nitpick is this. Shouldn't the Doctor be sensing another timelord? as Saxon ie: The Master was back on Earth during this adventure.

pbellosom
January 1st, 2009, 12:49 PM
The nitpick is this. Shouldn't the Doctor be sensing another timelord? as Saxon ie: The Master was back on Earth during this adventure.

The Doctor explained that The Archangel network was camouflaging the Master's presence.

gateship15
January 1st, 2009, 04:33 PM
i guess that just shows how clever the master is

mi_guard
September 16th, 2011, 03:26 AM
"I'm old enough to know that a longer life isn't always a better one. In the end, you just get tired; tired of the struggle, tired of losing everyone that matters to you, tired of watching everything you love turn to dust. If you live long enough, Lazarus, the only certainty left is that you'll end up alone."

so sad :(

maneth
July 12th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Cool episode, and I loved the nod to Star Trek. Especially in TNG the solution nine times out of ten was to reverse the polarity of something. :lol:

maneth
August 23rd, 2014, 11:04 AM
I wasn't as fond of it this time...

Coco Pops
August 24th, 2014, 02:12 AM
"I'm old enough to know that a longer life isn't always a better one. In the end, you just get tired; tired of the struggle, tired of losing everyone that matters to you, tired of watching everything you love turn to dust. If you live long enough, Lazarus, the only certainty left is that you'll end up alone."

so sad :(



I wonder if the Doctor feels this way having lived as long as he has or is he just being a bit of a hypocrite?