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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2908</FONT>
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Pursued by a family of parasitic aliens desiring to consume his Time Lord essence, the Doctor takes the drastic step of making himself human so that he can hide out in 1913 England. But he does not plan on falling in love.

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Madeleine
May 26th, 2007, 12:19 PM
AAAAAARGH I don't want to have to wait a whole week to see how it ends :(

Great ep though :D

firefly827347
May 26th, 2007, 12:22 PM
I know, I loved it too :D

pbellosom
May 26th, 2007, 12:28 PM
If I say that the best thing about that episode was the shade of green they used it sounds like I'm insulting the episode but it was and I'm not. I loved the episode but that was such a great green especially in the gun.

I'm confused about the kid who took the watch, is he randomly telepathic or is there a reason to it? Now that the kid has opened the watch is he now the Doctor because he seems to be having Doctor flash backs and is the watch actually the Doctor because it's talking to the kid?

When the kid had that war flash back, was that a vision of the future or one of the Doctor's memories? If it was the Doctor's memories it seems like he was killed at the end to me, is that how the eighth Doctor died and, dare I say it, was that the Time War?

Oh, and who else spotted the Remembrance of the Daleks reference?

firefly827347
May 26th, 2007, 12:34 PM
I was wondering if anyone saw what happened before the opening credits, if anything? Usually they have a scene before the credits start and I missed it...:mckay: Could someone tell me what happened please?

Reefgirl
May 26th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Oh, and who else spotted the Remembrance of the Daleks reference?

*Puts hand in air* me me me, I did
The background music when the scarecrows pounced on the girl with the ballon is the same as the music used whenever the creepy schoolgirl in RotD appeared
I loved this episode, it has everything a Classic Who has, schools, creepy schoolkids, alien and ray guns, the only thing missing is Dr 4, Sarah-Jane and K9. For once in my life I can't find a single fault. Next week's looks good too

Edit for FF, something fired a bolt of something into the Tardis, they Dr said something like They found me I'll have to hide and do you trust me Martha. Something along those lines anyway

the_fours
May 26th, 2007, 12:37 PM
Oh, and who else spotted the Remembrance of the Daleks reference?

I spotted a lot of references, missed that one though, lucky i recorded it. The bit in the journal i liked was the faces of some of the previous doctors.

I did like this episode it was good, but i dont think it could hold a candle to the sata pit/impossible planet two parter. Was an entertaining episode, and i think all the good bits will be next week, cant wait.

pbellosom
May 26th, 2007, 12:40 PM
I spotted a lot of references, missed that one though, lucky i recorded it. The bit in the journal i liked was the faces of some of the previous doctors.

What other ones did you spot?

firefly827347
May 26th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Edit for FF, something fired a bolt of something into the Tardis, they Dr said something like They found me I'll have to hide and do you trust me Martha. Something along those lines anyway

Great, thanks Reef :D

Reefgirl
May 26th, 2007, 12:48 PM
The cricket ball, personally I think it's a nod to Black Orchid but someone on another site thinks it's Four to Doomsday, I'm going to have to watch it again to look for more 'flashbacks'

the_fours
May 26th, 2007, 12:49 PM
What other ones did you spot?

I meant what was written and sketched in his journal. Would have been nice to see a sketch of the yeti, or something from the classic series anyway.

Missster.Freeman
May 26th, 2007, 01:06 PM
What Oh! Jolly spiffing tale. What. What. :D

First things first. The 1996 Doctor Who film is officially canon! :P Well, maybe not, but that sketch of Doctor number eight seemed to be more than just a nod as his picture was the most dominant compared to the sketches of the other Doctors. Let me just say, ARRGH! at the sketch of Rose in his diary and Martha more or less confessing that she's in love with the Doctor.

Nice to see a bit of a change and start off with a mystery. I'd a feeling that this was going to be part one of a two part episode due to the slow pacing. At first I thought Martha had lost her memory as well, but there was a little hint now and again that she was fully aware of who she was.

The little boy who has the watch containing the Doctor's "essence" looked to me as if he already had an ability to sense or see events in the future. Maybe opening the watch enhanced those latent abilities?

It seems a bit daft to end the ep with a seemingly no-wins situation, only to have next week's trailer show that they all got out of that predicament somehow unscathed. :confused:

I await with interest for the resolution to that cliffhanger.

GateTMM
May 26th, 2007, 01:07 PM
Personally, I thought this was the best episode of season 3 to date. It was great seeing the Doctor as a normal person. I didn't mind Martha too much either, which makes a nice change :P Very, very good. :zelenka25:

Naonak
May 26th, 2007, 01:17 PM
When the kid had that war flash back, was that a vision of the future or one of the Doctor's memories? If it was the Doctor's memories it seems like he was killed at the end to me, is that how the eighth Doctor died and, dare I say it, was that the Time War?
Looked like World War I to me. There seems to be more next week, judging by the preview for next week's DW Confidential.

Mostly a very good episode, although it dragged a bit for the first 15 minutes or so.
The scarecrows are cool.

The pics in the journal were neat. I couldn't tell who it was meant to be to the right of McCoy and McGann, though...

Next week...
Small children! Several small children! :S

Reefgirl
May 26th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Did I spot a Sontaran in the Doctor's journal?

Naonak
May 26th, 2007, 01:30 PM
You know, somebody out there is going to screencap the hell out of that bit and read every word of that journal. ;)

Reefgirl
May 26th, 2007, 02:07 PM
:lol: Some people have no life :lol:

Alipeeps
May 26th, 2007, 02:10 PM
Really enjoyed this ep.. though did find it a trifle slow-paced. I knew going in that it was going to be a two-parter though. I'm still not sure what to make of the young boy - he obviously has a psychic ability and is vaguely aware when things are not what they seem and was aware of the power of the watch... not sure how the watch works either? The instructions the Dr gave Martha seemed to suggest that opening the watch would reverse his transformation but that hasn't happened... so why tell her to open the watch if there was a problem? Am confused! But in a good way... can't wait for next week's resolution! :D

Oh and did anyone watch Confidential? David trying to learn the waltz? Awesome! And incredibly cute in a clutzy way! :D

GodAtum
May 26th, 2007, 02:13 PM
When Martha bumped into the boy and he had a flashback, which episode was that from?

Missster.Freeman
May 26th, 2007, 02:19 PM
When Martha bumped into the boy and he had a flashback, which episode was that from?It might've been from the first episode, "Smith and Jones." It looked liked the same place where the Doctor crossed his own timeline and did that thingy with his tie. Maybe. :S

pbellosom
May 26th, 2007, 03:01 PM
First things first. The 1996 Doctor Who film is officially canon! :P

Noooooooooo! I always thoguht that the Shalka Doctor was much more likely to be cannon than the eighth.


The little boy who has the watch containing the Doctor's "essence" looked to me as if he already had an ability to sense or see events in the future. Maybe opening the watch enhanced those latent abilities?


Or maybe he's always had the talent because he opened the watch, it is all to do with being a Timelord afterall.

Was it just me or did the school look a lot like Torchwood house from the outside? I could just be rubbish at recognising old buildings though.

Matt G
May 26th, 2007, 03:19 PM
OK...

1. Slightly sludgy though a nice idea from the Doctor to hide himself.

2. Definately a WTF moment with the one heart.

3. OK, how does the watch work? Jenkins seems to have both the Doctor's memories and visions of his own future! I reckon he'll prove of more use in the short term than "John Smith".

Overall, different though I'm expecting part 2 to be better

Anubis69
May 26th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Great episode. It was fairly straight forward, so my question is regarding the next ep:

Hmm... The Doctor appears to have children. Does that make them human children or Time Lord children? I know the "family" said he smelt human and he only has one heart but... :S

knowles2
May 26th, 2007, 05:03 PM
Good question. And could this be what face of what is name really meant.

I got the feeling that the boy will turn out to be mr Saxon, just a feeling I have.

I like the weapons, it good to see descent weapons, and I like the color to.

And what do the aliens need with a time lord, I hope for a change it turns out that they just needed his help rather than them being evil and want to destroy the universe, and that it was the doctor mistake to think of them as a enemy, it be a good twist to fins out all he went through was for nothing.

but the episode was slightly slowed pasted for my liking.

pbellosom
May 26th, 2007, 05:12 PM
I got the feeling that the boy will turn out to be mr Saxon, just a feeling I have.


Now that is a brilliant idea, (Spoilers just in case) would mean that Mr Saxon isn't the Master, but brilliant nonetheless.

lord-anubis
May 26th, 2007, 10:05 PM
that sketch of Doctor number eight seemed to be more than just a nod as his picture

there was a sketch of the 8th doctor danm how did i miss that now i got to go back in watch it. i thought i saw a sketch of some old shcool cybermen but i didetn get a good look

ShadowMaat
May 26th, 2007, 10:12 PM
Had a terrible night but FINALLY managed to see this ep and I loved it! Alas, I'm not in a position to catch all the references to the earlier seasons, but I did recognize some of the sketched faces. The writing is pretty gibberish for the most part, and the handwriting is HORRIBLE, which doesn't help. Lots of repetition. If that's what the whole journal is like I can't blame Matron for returning it to the Doctor. :P

Those scarecrows are creeeeepy and I gotta say, when I first saw the little girl I thought she was the Scary Test Pattern Girl from Life on Mars. I don't think she is or someone would have said something by now, but Scary Balloon Girl is still creepy.

And then there was Baines, AKA Will Scarlett from Robin Hood. WTF was wrong with that boy?! And he had that weird thing going on with his mouth being all drawn out and smirky on only one side of his face. *shiver* Egad.

Precog Boy was a little odd, too. I'm guessing it was his role in Nanny McPhee that has me feeling like I should know him. I'll be interested to see what HIS story is, especially if he has a flash of modern-day Martha knocking into his young boy self.

Good, strong story so far. I remain a bit iffy on a few things, but I'm willing to give it another ep to sort itself out.

Dalario
May 27th, 2007, 01:07 AM
Wait... he didn't have vision of his future, it's a vision about how the doctor new girl friend husband died !

I was thinking Saxon too but... well... I don't think it will be him...

Willow'sCat
May 27th, 2007, 01:40 AM
I loved this!

I didn't want it to end there. What do you mean I have to wait until next week! :eek: I didn't realise it was going to be a 2 parter I wasn't prepared. :( :p

I loved the story, it was nicely paced, I often feel when you are watching eps like this where the main character has lost their memory or as in this case taken a new identity and doesn't know they are actually someone else, that as a viewer I spend more time just wanting them to 'wake up' or snap out of it.

In this episode I was enjoying seeing The Doctor as John Smith, I mean he looked mighty fine (nice short jacket to show off his assets :p ) and he fell for a 'normal' looking women who is not a fraking teenager! :cool: Did he say he had never... *doctor dances* :D

Sadly David Tennant cannot bowl (much like the English Cricket team). :p Yay the return of the cricket ball! *paint me happy*

The Scarecrows were pretty freaky, but then I have hated Scarecrows since I first watched "The wizard of Oz". The little girl with the balloon reminded me of something but I can't remember what, and who or what are The Family?

The heart thing didn't bother me, I just go with the premise that The Doctor is now human, humans don't have two hearts. *shrugs* And the children, well I had thought going into this ep that nothing would be as it seems, we are talking about a TimeLord, he travels in time and space, he has admitted that changing things in one time-frame can frak up another... he can if he feels it is necessary change things, I doubt he would but then this is new territory, he is the last TimeLord (as far as we know) he has only himself to answer for, well assuming these eps don't bleed into future ones. I don't know, maybe this is a stand alone two parter or maybe it has huge ramifications for Utopia etc. :cool:

As far as I can tell the boy dies in WW1. I don't think he is anyone other then who he is in this ep, a boy who can sense things and see future events.


*ooh totally off-topic, sort of, but as I type this Channel 10 in Australia has shown the first promo for Torchwood* Bounces! :D

the_fours
May 27th, 2007, 02:27 AM
Precog Boy was a little odd, too. I'm guessing it was his role in Nanny McPhee that has me feeling like I should know him.

Thought that kid was familiar too, about 10mins in it clicked, he was in Love Actually.

MechaThor
May 27th, 2007, 04:46 AM
I really liked this episode. The Scarycrows where cool they way they looked and walked. Much better than the Scarecrow from Batman returns lol.
I also loved them when we first saw it move its arm the that feild. Kinda creepy.

The Green ship landing in the forest and the green probe lights where great and looke dvery retro as traditinal UFO stories. Had an X-files kind of feeling about it.

Gd Episode the only downside is that i now have 2 wait a week gor the 2nd part. ARGH!

Reefgirl
May 27th, 2007, 05:41 AM
I caught the tail end of Confidential while waiting for Top Gear (I know, I know, I'm sad) and ...

If the scenes in the trenches are from the next episode maybe what we saw in the trailer, of the Doctor having a family and so on and the flashes the boy sees is what could be if the Doctor doesn't change back. Just an idea

Commander Ivanova
May 27th, 2007, 06:00 AM
I liked the Doc as a human (cute, awkward, vulnerable!), and the dancing scene was lovely. But I missed the whole bit about why and how he changed into a human and who they are hiding from. So I'm slightly confused. Nothing new there.

Scarecrows, excellently creepy. Jessica Stevenson, love her in anything. As a bonus the headmaster ACTUALLY WAS the Demon Headmaster from that kids' programme, wasn't he? Loving this ep so far, but like Willow I didn't realise it was a 2-parter so the air was blue-tinged in my house at the end.

Elinor
May 27th, 2007, 08:04 AM
there was a sketch of the 8th doctor danm how did i miss that now i got to go back in watch it.

See I missed that as well. Hey ho! Good excuse to watch the whole thing again though!




Precog Boy was a little odd, too. I'm guessing it was his role in Nanny McPhee that has me feeling like I should know him.

Thank you! I've been wracking my brains trying to think where I'd seen him before! Interesting little character though. Can't wait to see if we learn what he's all about in the next episode.


I loved this!

I didn't want it to end there. What do you mean I have to wait until next week! :eek: I didn't realise it was going to be a 2 parter I wasn't prepared. :( :p



I didn't know it was a 2 parter either! I purposely didn't watch the previews for next week. I want to be surprised!

Anyway...I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and those scarecrows were...er...pretty scary! I am sooo getting into Dr Who now. Wasn't too keen on the Chris E era, but really enjoying the David T time!! And...um...he certainly screams well!!

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Admiral Mappalazarou
May 27th, 2007, 09:11 AM
What a fantastic episode. I personally loved everything about it, including the baddies and the many references to previous Doctor Who eps. The images of the previous doctors in the notebook was brilliant. It's a rare episode that everyone seemed to like.

Probably as good as Girl in the Fireplace.

Pitry
May 27th, 2007, 09:31 AM
I'm with Reefgirl on the next week bit....
Not necessarily Tim's visions - tho it could be - but these can be "what ifs" interjected with the Doctor himself. Since it appars the "He's ancient and forever" bits are from Family of Blood - BTW! Huh at them running them on slow mo in the trailers! - these actually can come after e's returned to being the Doctor.

Loved it. Wonderful episode.
"This is called a story"..... I salute Martha for ehr dedication and patience, I'd have kicked him where it really hurts!
Loved all the paintings in his book, the other Doctors! (I've recognised McGann, McCoy, Davison and Tom Baker, who was the fifth? Hartnell?)

It does, however, seem as if RTD has decided to add a bonus to whoever would end up making the Doctor most miserable this year tho, it seems like all the writers are doing their very best to achieve this.... especially with the inevitable way this is going to end :( *pats Doctor, even with his patronising comments towards Martha :)*

Reefgirl
May 27th, 2007, 10:01 AM
Maybe they've added the whump to appease the American market, Ive noticed how the lead in most American sci fi shows go through the wringer, Daniel, Sheppard, Starbuck, Garibaldi, Mulder and Scully and Angel

He's definatly suffering more in this series than he did in the last or in the Christopher Ecclestone series, although that was more mental whump than anything

the_fours
May 27th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Just watching the repeat on BBBC3. Well since i have nothing else to do may as well contribute to the ratings.

Anyway when the psychic kid had the visions he saw himself in the war pulling out the pocket watch saying '12minutes past the hour, hear, now!'

I'm wandering if that will have some relevance next week?

ShadowMaat
May 27th, 2007, 04:50 PM
As I recall it, he was dragging along the other boy (the one he was feeding bullets for) who had been injured and he stopped in a specific spot (it felt like he was looking for a specific spot), pulled out the pocketwatch, said something implying that the time was NOW and looked up in time to see the bomb dropping on them.

Willow'sCat
May 27th, 2007, 05:11 PM
Maybe they've added the whump to appease the American market, Ive noticed how the lead in most American sci fi shows go through the wringer, Daniel, Sheppard, Starbuck, Garibaldi, Mulder and Scully and AngelI have been wondering about that myself.

I think when The Doctor started off the New series as alone, as the only surviving TimeLord, well, it was inevitable that he was going to be less then happy. The real impact only appearing in my mind in Dalek. Chris was :D fantastic :o at showing us that The Doctor had experienced loss on a huge scale, even the interaction with The Dalek when we first see it, the fear, the utter terror shown from The Doctor it was new. In the past you knew The Doctor hated them, you knew he was not comfortable around them but in that first scene it was like his guard was down, we got to see just how scared of them he really is.

Why RTD went in this direction and why he decided that The Doctor would make such a strong emotional connection to Rose so early on only to then 'lose' her is up for debate. The Doctor is shown to fall in love (Girl in the fireplace) and he is shown with a heavy heart. He is shown to be more human then some humans. ;)

It maybe that RTD was looking at those shows you mentioned, it maybe he was trying to walk the line between kid/family content and adult content. At times watching Doctor Who I do think it is more mature then Torchwood which is interesting given how much they went on about Torchwood being adult. :rolleyes:

I don't know, but I am happy for the most part to see The Doctor showing his emotions, after all he isn't a Vulcan. ;)

Dalario
May 27th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Wait... he didn't have vision of his future, it's a vision about how the doctor new girl friend husband died !

I was thinking Saxon too but... well... I don't think it will be him...

No one want to argue with me ? :(

ShadowMaat
May 27th, 2007, 06:25 PM
No one want to argue with me ? :(

It seemed like an interesting theory, but the boy referred to his classmate by name. And while it's certainly possible that it was his classmate's father, that seems a little too complicated. Besides, he seems to get flashes based on touch- he bumped into Martha and had a vision of her future (or possibly her past) and he was probably touching Rocastle or whoever it was when he had the vision of the war. Matron was too far away.

Plus, the vision had a WWI feel to it. :P

Alipeeps
May 27th, 2007, 06:28 PM
I liked the Doc as a human (cute, awkward, vulnerable!), and the dancing scene was lovely. But I missed the whole bit about why and how he changed into a human and who they are hiding from. So I'm slightly confused. Nothing new there.


From what I understood, he and Martha were ran into The Family and barely escaped into the Tardis but the family managed to follow them, using stolen technology that means they can track the Dr across time and space, and the Dr decided the only way to escape them was for him to hide - to change every cell in his body (using a piece of technology called the Chameleon Arch) and become human. While he's human, they can't track him/find him. I believe something was mentioned that The Family are dying and that he just needs to hide long enough for them to die off (hence the timescale of 3 months).

Does that help?


Maybe they've added the whump to appease the American market, Ive noticed how the lead in most American sci fi shows go through the wringer, Daniel, Sheppard, Starbuck, Garibaldi, Mulder and Scully and Angel

He's definatly suffering more in this series than he did in the last or in the Christopher Ecclestone series, although that was more mental whump than anything

Well I for one am not complaining about the increase in whump - both physical and emotional. And David certainly acts both incredibly well..

Willow'sCat
May 27th, 2007, 07:05 PM
Well I for one am not complaining about the increase in whump - both physical and emotional. I am shocked! :eek: You like whump!!! :p

Alipeeps
May 28th, 2007, 04:43 AM
I am shocked! :eek: You like whump!!! :p

I know!! Who'd have thought it?!! ;) :D

Commander Ivanova
May 28th, 2007, 05:54 AM
From what I understood, he and Martha were ran into The Family and barely escaped into the Tardis but the family managed to follow them, using stolen technology that means they can track the Dr across time and space, and the Dr decided the only way to escape them was for him to hide - to change every cell in his body (using a piece of technology called the Chameleon Arch) and become human. While he's human, they can't track him/find him. I believe something was mentioned that The Family are dying and that he just needs to hide long enough for them to die off (hence the timescale of 3 months).

Does that help?


Yes thanks :)

Pitry
May 28th, 2007, 07:43 AM
It maybe that RTD was looking at those shows you mentioned, it maybe he was trying to walk the line between kid/family content and adult content. At times watching Doctor Who I do think it is more mature then Torchwood which is interesting given how much they went on about Torchwood being adult. :rolleyes:

I don't know, but I am happy for the most part to see The Doctor showing his emotions, after all he isn't a Vulcan. ;)

Interesting. I always think Doctor Who is mroe adult than Torchwood. ;)

Also, I'm not really complainnig. All the sadness in the stories does make great drama, especially with the superb writing adn acting from all their leads so far.And it being an ongoing theme rather than jsut a one-off episode never to be mentinoed again makes ti all the more stronger.

Madeleine
May 28th, 2007, 08:16 AM
No one want to argue with me ? :(

It was himself in the vision, and it looked trench-like and the uniforms looked more First World War than Boer War or anything else.

His other visions showed the actual people in them; when he saw Martha in London it was Martha as Martha, not him as Martha, so his vision of the trenches was likely a future memory. The fact that he used the name of a classmate makes it more likely - a lot of older schoolboys signed up en-masse to the same regiments.

Flyboy
May 28th, 2007, 08:36 AM
Interesting. I always think Doctor Who is mroe adult than Torchwood. ;)

Also, I'm not really complainnig. All the sadness in the stories does make great drama, especially with the superb writing adn acting from all their leads so far.And it being an ongoing theme rather than jsut a one-off episode never to be mentinoed again makes ti all the more stronger.
Personally... I'd be inclined to say that Torchwood is the adult one, and Doctor Who is the mature one.

If that makes sense...

Madeleine
May 28th, 2007, 08:44 AM
Yes, perfect sense. ITA.

Pitry
May 28th, 2007, 10:08 AM
Personally... I'd be inclined to say that Torchwood is the adult one, and Doctor Who is the mature one.

If that makes sense...

So much better at words than I am, you are :)

Reefgirl
May 28th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Personally... I'd be inclined to say that Torchwood is the adult one, and Doctor Who is the mature one.

If that makes sense...

You got it in a nutshell

Jax
May 28th, 2007, 02:45 PM
Personally... I'd be inclined to say that Torchwood is the adult one, and Doctor Who is the mature one.

If that makes sense...

Perfect sense and perfectly true, I commend you sir.

Willow'sCat
May 28th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Personally... I'd be inclined to say that Torchwood is the adult one, and Doctor Who is the mature one.Hmm, I agree to a point. I think personally they had gotten it pretty right by the time the last two episodes came along, the mix of adult content and mature sentiment was shining through. *shrugs* I guess I still hold out hope Torchwood can build on those eps and be a better show in series two. ;) :)

Pitry
May 29th, 2007, 07:29 AM
Hmm, I agree to a point. I think personally they had gotten it pretty right by the time the last two episodes came along, the mix of adult content and mature sentiment was shining through. *shrugs* I guess I still hold out hope Torchwood can build on those eps and be a better show in series two. ;) :)

Don't we all? :)

the_fours
May 29th, 2007, 08:57 AM
The way i've always worked with sci-fi shows is give them the first season free to iron out any kinks. Then if it doesnt get better in series 2 then theres no excuse.


FOUR DAYS TO GO UNTIL PART TWO (FAMILY OF BLOOD) WOOHOO!!!!

Commander Ivanova
May 29th, 2007, 10:36 AM
The way i've always worked with sci-fi shows is give them the first season free to iron out any kinks.

Iron out the kinks? But the kinks are the bits I watch for. ;)

No seriously, I know what you mean. But it usually only takes me 3 or 4 eps to get into something. And if they don't hook me by then they've had it.

Reefgirl
May 29th, 2007, 01:56 PM
The first series of shows that I watch aren't usually my favourites, SG-1, Atlantis, B5 and X Files to name a few, if I feel the same way about the second series I usually give up. The only show I've abandoned after the pilot was Torchwood

Willow'sCat
May 29th, 2007, 06:01 PM
I am fairly committed unless there really is nothing in it for me. Heroes left me cold. LOST bored me to tears within 15 minutes and BSG just confused me.

I admit if I hadn't been a fan of Doctor Who I wouldn't have bothered with the New series. I really didn't get a lot out of Rose as an opener, but as a continuation of DW I could see where it was all leading so I stuck with it, I guess Torchwood gets that respect from me too. ;)

With Rose as the opener I am actually surprised DW has so many new fans. ;)

Reefgirl
May 30th, 2007, 01:27 AM
If the writing in this series gets any worse I might jump ship, there have been some excellent episodes, but at the moment the poor quality ones are slighty outnumbering the good ones.

Willow'sCat
May 30th, 2007, 02:33 AM
If the writing in this series gets any worse I might jump ship, there have been some excellent episodes, but at the moment the poor quality ones are slighty outnumbering the good ones.
I don't know for me only the Dalek based eps were terrible, I don't expect every ep to be a classic ;) and for the most part they have done their job and entertained me. I do think they have spent way too much time on Martha, her family and the whole 'getting to know you' thang.

I would rather they concentrate on The Doctor, the time travel and just bloody get on with it! :P :D

Reefgirl
May 30th, 2007, 03:26 AM
Agreed, the dalek eps were truely awful. IMO the only great episodes were Gridlock, Lazarus Experiment and Human Nature

Willow'sCat
May 30th, 2007, 03:32 AM
I Don't have a fave yet. I am hoping the second part of Human Nature will make that a fave or yeah... Utopia will offer something brilliant. Wow we are more then half way through the series! :eek:

Alipeeps
May 30th, 2007, 12:17 PM
The only show I've abandoned after the pilot was Torchwood

Snap.


I Don't have a fave yet. I am hoping the second part of Human Nature will make that a fave or yeah... Utopia will offer something brilliant. Wow we are more then half way through the series! :eek:

I loved Smith and Jones and The Shakespeare Code. Gridlock good but not as good as the first two.. the Dalek ones.. *meh*. Second one better than the first but neither exactly gripped me. The Lazarus Experiment I liked, probably a bit better than Gridlock. 42 I thought was great, I'd put that up there with the first two eps and Human Nature I enjoyed too... probably up there near the top few. :)

Flyboy
May 30th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Human Nature has something distinctly... classic about it. There's a lot moe time being taken over things, and the climax of part 1 is very much like a classic ep cliff hanger. I'm loving it muchly, they're beginning to focus on the companion the right amount. Not too much. I'm glad to see that.

(Though I won't be complaining if they focus a little bit more on Captain Jack when he returns)

Pitry
May 30th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Hmm... Gridlock stands tall with Girl in the Fireplace as my favourite episode.

I'm still waiting for Family of Blood, they might jsut squeeze in. :)

Reefgirl
May 30th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Gridlock is one of my absolute favourites too

Hulabaloo
May 30th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Just watched it, had to tape it.
SQUEE!

The Doctor talking...smart! Argh! :D
Excellent ep, my fave of series three now. It really is great.

Matt G
May 30th, 2007, 04:35 PM
I am fairly committed unless there really is nothing in it for me. Heroes left me cold. LOST bored me to tears within 15 minutes and BSG just confused me.

I admit if I hadn't been a fan of Doctor Who I wouldn't have bothered with the New series. I really didn't get a lot out of Rose as an opener, but as a continuation of DW I could see where it was all leading so I stuck with it, I guess Torchwood gets that respect from me too. ;)

With Rose as the opener I am actually surprised DW has so many new fans. ;)

Admittedly my first reaction to Rose was one of "well that was...warped" but I then decided I needed a second ep to get my head around it and the second ep happened to be class! :D

Willow'sCat
May 30th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Admittedly my first reaction to Rose was one of "well that was...warped" but I then decided I needed a second ep to get my head around it and the second ep happened to be class! :DOh yeah the second ep was great, if a little corny but then this is Doctor Who. ;) And The Doctor showing real emotion *sniff*

However Dalek for me remains my fave of the New eps. I just love it to death! :)

Hmm, Gridlock was OK but nothing great imho, and although I like TSC I am not a fan of Harry Potter so I think I missed a lot of the references, and you know the witches... :P

Nah, I am still waiting for the series 29 episode where I go; OMG! I must re-watch that right now! ;)

lord-anubis
May 30th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I am fairly committed unless there really is nothing in it for me. Heroes left me cold. LOST bored me to tears within 15 minutes and BSG just confused me.

I admit if I hadn't been a fan of Doctor Who I wouldn't have bothered with the New series. I really didn't get a lot out of Rose as an opener, but as a continuation of DW I could see where it was all leading so I stuck with it, I guess Torchwood gets that respect from me too. ;)




i rarely commit my self to tv shows when i find i show i like i usely stick with it. also usely know before i watch the show wether im going to like it or not so it usely doesnt take me long to get in to a show.

Doctor Who probly took me the longest to get in to. i dident start to get in to until a couples eps in to the 2 series or series 28 if you like. but that might be cuz it was when i found out stargate was ending and i was just trying to find another show to fill the void.

i never real deside to stop watching a show and just tend to forget to watch them so i guess that would mean the lost my inrtest. i rented the BSG mini series and thats what got me in to BSG. watch the whole frist season in a week it was round the time the 2 season was starting. never watched heros i blame that on basic tv sents were i live it was inprossble to get channel 3 for some reason so never got in to heros. by the time i got cable it was to far along. as for lost i watched it when it frist air sents i had a feling it would be big. it all most losted me a couple of time i stoped watching once or twice not cuz i dident like more i just dident feel like watching it and i was missing to many eps



edit- does any one esle do what i did? i saw a post and i felt like responding to it so i type stuff down and post then i relized what i saw was on page 3 and this topic was on page 4. so my post is out of place and no one well no what im talking about. which is why i had to go back quote

Elinor
May 31st, 2007, 12:46 AM
I'm another one who gave up on Torchwood after the 1st episode. Perhaps I'll give it another go some time. Heroes and Lost didn't grab me and the camera work in BSG made me seasick!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-001.gif I've just started watching Life on Mars...it's fab!

The only episodes of this season's Dr Who I wasn't too keen on have been the Daleks 2-parter and 'The Lazarus Experiment'. They weren't bad, just not very gripping. Thoroughly enjoyed the others though.

:)

ShadowMaat
May 31st, 2007, 07:14 AM
Torchwood isn't worth it. In fact when my Archos (kinda like a super-size ipod) started running out of space, I happily deleted all of Torchwood with nary a twinge of loss.

Maybe S2 will improve, but if they're still more obsessed with gay/alien sex than in telling good stories, I won't even bother with it anymore. Although if you can get your hands on the last episode or two there was some actual content to them and it could prove relevant to Utopia. Not vital watching but maybe just an extra dimension to things.

At least I assume it's Utopia. I've actually been avoiding the spoilers. ;)

ANYWAY, loved Human Nature and I gotta say, while having the human-bound Family members all cock their head to one side is a very simple gimmick, it still managed to be unsettling.

Elinor
May 31st, 2007, 09:04 AM
Torchwood isn't worth it. In fact when my Archos (kinda like a super-size ipod) started running out of space, I happily deleted all of Torchwood with nary a twinge of loss.

Maybe S2 will improve, but if they're still more obsessed with gay/alien sex than in telling good stories, I won't even bother with it anymore. Although if you can get your hands on the last episode or two there was some actual content to them and it could prove relevant to Utopia. Not vital watching but maybe just an extra dimension to things.

At least I assume it's Utopia. I've actually been avoiding the spoilers. ;)

Thanks ShadowMaat! I might try those. Gotta say I tend to tune out when shows put more emphasis on the bonking than the story. It seemed everytime I tuned in to BSG there was bonking going on...and what with the shaky camera as well...it just 'did me head in'!!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-002.gif

Madeleine
May 31st, 2007, 02:32 PM
Yeah, but with BSG a large part of the point of the show is that the entire lives of the entire cast are contained in a large metal box and the sex serves to heighten the claustrophobic and closedness of this community of a few thousand remaining humans. With Torchwood I've yet to see a point to the sex. Except to make it Adult.

Reefgirl
May 31st, 2007, 03:16 PM
The whole purpose of Torchwood, IMHO is to let the writers, RTD in particular, get all the smut/slash/sex/schoolboy fantasies out of their system, maybe when this happens they'll get down to the serious writing and Torchwood will be worth watching

Willow'sCat
May 31st, 2007, 05:05 PM
I have nothing against sex in shows,
and in Torchwood it was nothing compared to some other shows I have seen This Life, Queer as Folk to name but two, the main problem with Torchwood was the lack of real content when it came to the stories, and what motivated the people into behaving the way they did, I can watch almost anything if I know the characters motivation... most of the time with Torchwood I was scratching my head at the stupid things they did, then again I do that with SGA, and sometimes with Mythbusters! :P

I do think Random shoes was a great little ep, and the last two I have happily re-watched many times but yeah 3 eps out of a series is not a lot to hang your hat on. :(

I think Torchwood series one was the TV equivalent of a 'crack!fic' and mostly that is how I viewed it. ;)

*Don't we have a thread for this!* :P :D

Trek_Girl42
August 13th, 2007, 10:42 PM
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LOVED this ep. I think it's my favourite of series three yet. Loved human-teacher-doctor, and all the other guest characters were very good (no one cringe-worthy :P). They way the family just cocked their heads to the side like that was creepy. The hour went by amazingly fast (I was shocked when the end came, I figured there was at least another fifteen or twenty left) and I felt like screaming when the preview came on because I want to see "Family of Blood" NOW! http://gopher65.com/images/drwho/DoctorglsssD.gif

MmmmMcKAy
August 14th, 2007, 04:43 PM
I agree with Trek Girl. Human Nature is also my favorite of Series 3 so far.

Of course, I've got all kinds of questions which will most likely be answered in Family of Blood. Like, who is the Family of Blood? Why do they need a Time Lord? What happens to all that Doctor essence floating out of the watch? and so on....

The Doctor as a human was just as adorable as ever. And, my heart ached for Martha as she carried their secret alone. And on top of that, she had to endure racial slurs and experience the British class system first hand.

And I just LOATHE scarecrows..they really disturb me. So the Family using them as their henchmen was very creepy for me.

The Doctor's love interest seems alright. At least, she seems a good fit with his human version. Where that will lead, who knows?

Anyway, Human Nature is excellent and I can't wait for part 2.:)

Trek_Girl42
August 14th, 2007, 09:42 PM
The Doctor's love interest seems alright. At least, she seems a good fit with his human version. Where that will lead, who knows?

I agree- I actually really liked her. Shockingly enough. :P




And that scarecrow waving was insanely creepy.

MasySyma
August 24th, 2007, 07:56 PM
This was so much better than last week! I liked this episode. It was a little slow, but it picked up.

I'm still not a fan of Martha's crush on the Doctor, but that is my only major complaint this episode. The writing was good; the actors performed well; and yes, the head-at-an-angle thing was creepy.

Darn SciFi for making us wait two weeks.

Pitry
August 25th, 2007, 01:11 AM
No one is a fan of Martha's crush on the Doctor. Methinks :)

Yeah they have the tendency to shooting stuff at times with really bizzare angles. I love it *sniffles* :)

Willow'sCat
August 25th, 2007, 04:49 PM
I agree- I actually really liked her. Shockingly enough.I was re-watching these eps last night and I finally realised where I knew her from, SPACED one of my fave comedies... dam, I am so crap at remembering things. :S:p (btw she appeared in a small scene in SPACED with John Simm :)

Flyboy
August 28th, 2007, 02:55 PM
No one is a fan of Martha's crush on the Doctor. Methinks :)

Yeah they have the tendency to shooting stuff at times with really bizzare angles. I love it *sniffles* :)
Why was Rose's crush ok, but not Martha's?

Rose was always more whiney about it.

Missster.Freeman
August 28th, 2007, 03:19 PM
Why was Rose's crush ok, but not Martha's?

Rose was always more whiney about it.
I was no fan of Rose and Martha's crushes on the Doctor. Oh I wish I could've crushed both those crushes!

Trek_Girl42
August 28th, 2007, 03:27 PM
Why was Rose's crush ok, but not Martha's?

Rose was always more whiney about it.
Because they're different characters perhaps? ;)

I didn't mind it too much with Rose, it suited the character, and I wouldn't use the word whiney to describe it. Rose was younger, didn't have a lot of anything especially exciting to look forward to in her life before she met The Doctor. But with Martha it doesn't make much sense- she's a highly educated woman, quite wise in just about everything else, obviously excited to become a doctor, she'd have had a promising job if he hadn't shown up, so it doesn't make sense that her Doctor crush should drag on so long- a couple of episodes of infatuation upon first meeting him would be understandable, but it should have ended after Gridlock. Because she otherwise doesn't strike me as the kind of character who would keep such unrealistic hopes. The Doctor took Rose from what she realized wasn't much of a life- so it would make sense for Rose's feelings to increase as time went on and she realized that there was more out there and better things to do. Martha had a lot more going for her before The Doctor came, because she was already set to do something to make the world better.

If any of that makes sense. ;)

Coco Pops
May 26th, 2008, 07:01 AM
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The background music when the scarecrows pounced on the girl with the ballon is the same as the music used whenever the creepy schoolgirl in RotD appeared


ROTD??????????? ????????????


And by the way series three is nearly over for me hehe. On the last DVD right now. The one thing that truly annoyed me was Martha's bloody family. Wish the F.O.B. had gone to the future and whacked them, especially the annoying mother. I'd happily put up with whiny Rose's family but Martha's was ANNOYING....

Gamma626
October 24th, 2010, 03:38 PM
This was the first episode of Who I think I ever saw.

maneth
July 19th, 2012, 04:21 AM
I don't mind Martha's crush on the doctor, seems I'm one of the few who doesn't. Rose's crush bothered me mainly because she kept stringing Mickey along, and he put up with it. But Martha's mother's definitely a piece of work.

All those schoolkids are so creepy, including the boy who stole the Doctor's watch.