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February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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An ordinary day of work at the Royal Hope Hospital becomes extraordinary for Martha Jones when the building is teleported to the Moon, where an army of rhinoceros-like police called the Judoon are hunting for an alien hiding among them.

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Scoobing
March 31st, 2007, 12:55 PM
Just aired tonight in the UK, what did everyone think?

Personally I thought it was great, like the new companion, and thought the visual effects were particularly nice.

EDIT: Oh cool, someone is making a season 29 folder as I type this, speedy thanks!

Blitz
March 31st, 2007, 01:03 PM
I liked it - was a giggle.

Liking the new Gal - shes different enough from Rose to impress me :)

in circles
March 31st, 2007, 01:07 PM
Way better than I was expecting after the awful Christmas special. Planet Zovirax made me realise how much I missed this show. Shame I won't be around to see most of the series.

Missster.Freeman
March 31st, 2007, 01:07 PM
Thanks Skydiver. This is the correct thread, right? :S

So, just to kick things off. What did everyone think of the series opener?

Wow! The show still runs along at a lightning fast pace. I'm liking the new companion. She is very lovely. :) Throughout the episode I noticed the way the Doctor was observing her, as if sizing her up as a likely companion. I think she's going to fit in well. Damn, there's a lot more I was going to say, but I've already forgotten much of the episode. A second watch is needed, heh.

Scoobing
March 31st, 2007, 01:09 PM
Yes, sorry to the mods, my fault, I got a bit trigger happy - just so excited about the episode. If my topic could be merged with this one please I would be ever so grateful. :)

Hulabaloo
March 31st, 2007, 01:11 PM
Awesome ep, so funny. Its nice to have a smart companion. She's also really funny and I loved every minute!

Reefgirl
March 31st, 2007, 01:18 PM
I thought it was brilliant, much better than Rose for an introduction. I liked the planet Zovirix jibe. The rhino's were a bit suspect I'd have laughed myself sick if the Intergalactic police force were pigs ;). I like the fact Martha has brains and is so different to Rose, I'm looking forward to seeing more of this series, this ep wasn't as disappointing as New World, which is a good omen, I hope

jesserella
March 31st, 2007, 01:24 PM
i really enjoyed it and agree that she is differenly enough from rose that i quite like her, i didn't want them to simply replace rose and move on, so i think having the docter still pained about it is a nice touch :)

pbellosom
March 31st, 2007, 01:35 PM
I reckon that's definately the best season opener Doctor Who has done since it came back. I really enjoyed it.

Stricken
March 31st, 2007, 01:37 PM
The Judoon are my ideal aliens big, Rhinos, and take no crap from anyone, hope we see them again. The best part of this episode was the way it unravelled with everyone assuming the Jagoon are the bad guys and then a twist which completely changed the tone of the episode.

There was a nice reference to the last series with the hospital shop (New Earth). Mr Saxon is defiantly the running phrase of the series, with two references towards the end of show, the radio report and the 'Vote Saxon' poster in the alleyway.

Martha is going to make one heck of a companion, she is completely different to Rose and this refreshes the entire show. The sonic-screwdriver fix was way too easy, although it did add some nice scenes and the one liners were brilliant with the Doctor not having it.

I just hope the Doctor won’t pine over Rose for too much longer…

Defiantly worth watching again ;)

Major Clanger
March 31st, 2007, 01:48 PM
oh yes, we all thoroughly enjoyed it over here
I love Martha's family - nice touch there after just having Rose & Jackie

I was a bit disconcerted by RTD's comment (in the Confidential) that the relationship between Martha and The Doctor is more of unrequited love.

Those Jagoon were great though, weren't they? A little Vogon-like if you ask me, but none the worse for that (and I was waiting for another "Arthur Dent" comment, but alas it didn't come)

We can't wait for next week already!

Indum'kra
March 31st, 2007, 01:58 PM
Before I saw the episode, I thought the Jagoon would be overly cheesy, but the animatronics aere actually pretty good and I thought they were handled well.

Billz
March 31st, 2007, 02:16 PM
Id just like to correct everyone first. They were called Judoon, not Jagoon.

Anyway, I thought this was a very good season opener, not as good as 'Rose', but hey, to each his own :D

Is it just me, or does RTD have alot of respect for the late Douglas Adams? Im only asking because of the various references and familiarities like with the Judoon, they reminded me heavily of the Vogons, the 'Arthur Dent' comment in 'The Christmas Invasion' and also the upcoming DW episode '42'.

I thought the whole 'sucking blood through a straw' to be kinda cheesy but thats what makes DW fun and enjoyable to watch.

Martha is going to fit right in :D :D :D

I had heard of the Sonic Screwdriver getting destroyed, but was only from the tabloid newspaper 'The Sun'. I gotta admit that I got a bit teary eyed when the sonic screwdriver got wrecked, it was a star in its own self. Glad the Doctor got a new one. Where did he get it though? I thought the factory that made them was destroyed accidently and made into an extra-terrestial banana plantation, as explained in 'The Doctor Dances'.

Guess we will probably find out soon.

Overall, 9/10, not exactly what I was expecting but still brilliant.

Admiral Mappalazarou
March 31st, 2007, 02:23 PM
Martha reminds me of Rose in alot of ways but probably because all humans would ask those type of questions. I had suspicions that the evil lady would be either slitheen or an obsorbaloff but meh I'm glad it wasn't.

Yesterday on Richard & Judy (my dad watches it) in the interview with Russel T. Davies he nodded, smiled and said 'Love to bring those guys back.' when they looked at the Ood so maybe they return in this series lol just me being paranoid maybe.

Anyways this episode I really enjoyed and next time's looks good too, the doctor is great and so funny.

Matt G
March 31st, 2007, 03:01 PM
1. Interesting that the Doctor is reluctant to get another companion. Maybe he feels he got 'too' close to Rose.

2. Martha will definately be a change of pace she feels like she has a lot more 'bang'. Welcome aboard.

3. The Judoon were good.

4. The Doctor did a good job outsmarting Finnegan.

Overall, good start to the series.

The Signal
March 31st, 2007, 03:19 PM
Really liked this one, I was expecting to like Martha, but nowhere near as much as I did, her relationship with The Doctor should turn out to be something much different to the one he shared with Rose. They click, but in a different way, whereas Rose wanted all the adventure, as did the Doctor, Martha picks things up quickly, and thinks like he does, all looking good at the moment.

The Judoon were good, though I wasn't quite so keen on the Plasmavore, not quite as sinister as she could have been IMO. I thought the post X-ray scene was a bit too much "kids TV" for me, had they left it at the nursery line it'd have worked, but the jumping about, not so much. My only other trouble was him crossing his own time line, I know he explained it, and it was VERY well excecuted, it just didn't sit right with me.

That said, overall, a good episode, picking up a great 8/10 from me, better than both New Earth and Rose IMO.

Best Line:

(Paraphrasing)
Martha: Do you have a brother?
Doctor: Me? No. Not any more.

Damn you RTD with your little subtle lines! :P

Skydiver
March 31st, 2007, 05:46 PM
just an fyi for folks. this IS the official thread...i just don't have a folder to put it in yet. :)

I tried to make one but couldn't get it to work so we're waiting on darren

as soon as a folder exists, this will go where it's supposed to be.

so, in the meantime, pardon the construction mess and have fun

MrBright
March 31st, 2007, 05:57 PM
Wow, now Martha is a good character. I am very happy that Dotor Who has returned to our TV Screens ,and I'm looking forward to the next episodes.

This was much better than "New Earth" or dare I say "Rose"

lord-anubis
March 31st, 2007, 07:40 PM
The sonic-screwdriver fix was way too easy, although it did add some nice scenes and the one liners were brilliant with the Doctor not having it.

one of my fave part was

Martha-well if your not going to answer me

doctor- no it realy it is its a screwdriver and its sonic

also when the sonic screwdriver borke

doctor- my sonic screwdriver i love my sonic screwdriver

then near ened when he was trying to stop the mri and he goes for the sonic screwdriver buts its not there lol


i was a bit scared when it broke i thoght they were going to get rid of it again.

as for the whole ep i liked it and i liked Martha lot more then i liked rose when i frist saw her. thats petty much all i have to say about it i liked the music that was playing when martha watched the tarids dispear in the alley

ShadowMaat
March 31st, 2007, 08:02 PM
Martha is absolutely WONDERFUL! And she's so much better than Rose that it isn't even funny. Whew! The Doctor has a companion with a brain! Book smarts AND common sense and good looks as well. :) I wonder if the Doctor will sonic up her mobile so she can talk to her family while she's away.

The fact that EVERYONE was panicking over the whole oxygen thing seemed a little overdone. I mean, Martha can't be the ONLY one with enough common sense to realize that if they aren't all dead already then there must be something protecting them. I'm also disappointed that no one mentioned the fact that Earth normal gravity was brought along as well. :P

The Judoon were very Vogon-like, but still cool. I wonder what made them decide that the humans were NOT harboring the plasmavore, just the fact that Martha ratted her out?

Very spiffy start to the new season and a great introduction to the new Companion. And next week's ep? YAY! I love Shakespeare! :D

Shipperahoy
March 31st, 2007, 08:15 PM
The first time the Doctor said plasmavore I actually thought he said plasma whore and then had to listen again. :D

I really like Martha a lot. I liked Rose alright but she was a bit too over emotional at times whereas Martha seems like she's got a nice calm head on her shoulders. I am a bit worried that they're setting it up for Martha to be mooning over the Doctor but I guess we'll wait and see.

ShadowMaat
March 31st, 2007, 08:40 PM
Can someone tell me what the Doctor said to Martha when he bumps into her on the street? The whole tie thing, I mean. I ran it back once to try and catch it, but still wasn't sure.

Mawds
March 31st, 2007, 09:07 PM
Can someone tell me what the Doctor said to Martha when he bumps into her on the street? The whole tie thing, I mean. I ran it back once to try and catch it, but still wasn't sure.

"Like so... see"

Pointing out he can time travel

ShadowMaat
March 31st, 2007, 09:39 PM
Ahhh.... I think I was trying to make the "like so" into one word. LOL! Thanks!

Easter Lily
March 31st, 2007, 10:31 PM
I suppose the main thing about this episode is the introduction of Martha, which was brilliantly done. I like her already and enjoyed her dynamic with the Doctor. I liked Rose but I think Martha will exceed her in my eyes, possibly because she's closer to my age and reminds me of a later Sarah Jane Smith. With Martha Jones, I think our Doctor has met his match and for that I rejoice!

All in all, it was a good solid episode. Loved the tie/time travel gag.

Next week's episode looks even better!

Commander Ivanova
April 1st, 2007, 01:29 AM
Someone asked where he got the second sonic screwdriver. I just assumed he went back in time to get it, part of the tie stunt. No?

Good point by Shadow about a whole hospital full of doctors not bright enough to figure out they'd be dead already if there wasn't a force field keeping the air in. Or are they all too busy doctoring to watch sci fi? And no-one mentioning the artificial gravity.

That said, great ep. Loved the space rhinos, though my sharp-eyed 6yr old nephew pointed out only one of them took his helmet off.
Martha was excellent. This bodes well.

Easter Lily
April 1st, 2007, 02:02 AM
Had another look at the episode and thought I should comment on the great job that David Tennant did... particularly with his eyebrows... :D
It's a shame he didn't lose shoes permanently... The Barefoot Doctor has a nice ring to it. ;)


That said, great ep. Loved the space rhinos, though my sharp-eyed 6yr old nephew pointed out only one of them took his helmet off.
I daresay rhino prosthetics must be a bit tricky to get in and out of. Looks very realistic.

I like it that the Judoon were Vogonish and not the real villain of the piece. Their native tongue was very tongue in cheek... And then the plasmavore opening her handbag and then drinking out of a straw... what a hoot!

Willow'sCat
April 1st, 2007, 03:18 AM
Arh! I have had a rotten day, I only just finished watching the episode.

It feels like coming home. I love this show so much right now. :D

I liked the little references to past eps whether intentional or not. The *run* for your life line and he grabs her hand. The *kiss* but it isn't a kiss really and the setting being a hospital, but instead of the crescent on the side *New Earth* we actually go to the Moon this time.

I also thought the Rhino things were pretty good even if we only see one of them without the helmet, in fact for me it worked better for not being able to see all of them without their helmets, seemed slightly more sinister and regardless of them being *the Law* they were pretty creepy with the whole "judge/jury & executioner".

Not so good: I don't like it when extras have to act panicked as it rarely works, and it didn't really work here, the patients just looked too hysterical (I think that is the word I am looking for) I think you would be confused and maybe a little freaked but mass hysteria? Not sure on that one, not given the time frame involved.

Martha, I like Martha, but I hope we don't see too much of her family, I found with Rose, that although I liked Jackie and could put up with Mickey, that really I liked them better in very small doses, and also Rose would go on so much about leaving her mother behind... well it was over-done if you ask me. So I hope Martha is more independent from her family, or at least we don't hear all about them, some things are best left to the imagination.

Over all it was a nice introduction to Martha, and for me the Bigger on the inside, never gets old so I liked that, I also liked that The Doctor still has his sonic screwdriver oh and the new suit is different, but I think I like it. It is weird that they changed it, I mean it wasn't really something that happened in classic Who (not just because a new series is starting) I mean that is why The Doctor choosing his clothing is a thing now in Doctor Who, he only really does it once for each regeneration.... Anyway times change I get that. ;) :)

Next week...

I wonder how this will go down, I hope it isn't too cheesy. I like cheesy in Doctor Who but somehow witches and Shakespeare? Yes I know. ;) But here in Doctor Who, which isn't Shakespeare, well that says cheese to me. :p

Oh I have to say every time he said "the moon" I kept cracking up, it reminded me of Futurama... whaling on the moon... sorry but it did. :o :D

MechaThor
April 1st, 2007, 03:28 AM
Can someone tell me what the Doctor said to Martha when he bumps into her on the street? The whole tie thing, I mean. I ran it back once to try and catch it, but still wasn't sure.

Lol i had to play that bit twice to catch what he siad.
Like how they did that to show the whole back in time thing. As i had 4gottern about the tie thing by the end of the ep so it was a nice little trick. Kinda reminded me of a Red Dwarf ep however.

The Rhinos things looked cool. Kinda star warsish. I could have seen one sitting in the Mos Esly cantena.
Hope we see them again one day. The'r rocket like ships where both retro and cool. I also like how they are not 100% bad guys.
Why can't Stargate have cool looking aliens like that?

SaberBlade
April 1st, 2007, 04:44 AM
I have to say I liked the episode. For someone who's not a Doctor Who fan, I have found myself watching it more and enjoying the show.

I thought the whole Space Rhino looked very well done, and I thought the whole idea of just being beamed onto the moon was unexpected. One thing I thought was good is how they explained why she looked the different character she played during the Cybermen invasion, without having to go into great detail about it. I think "i had a cousin who worked at Canary Wharf" worked out better than some fancy explanation I had expected them to come up with.

I think it would be worrying that a hospital can't figure out a guy has two hearts. The 7th Doctor's two hearts was figured out fairly quickly by a US doctor, but 10th is in a hospital all day and they seem to pass it without a second thought.

Naonak
April 1st, 2007, 06:05 AM
Best Line:

(Paraphrasing)
Martha: Do you have a brother?
Doctor: Me? No. Not any more.

Damn you RTD with your little subtle lines! :P

What? When was that? I missed that! :eek:

Ahem...
Very good episode. The Judoon were great!

I like Martha, she should be a good companion.

Some good Saxon references...

Not sure about the blue suit - there's nothing wrong with it, I just much prefer the brown one.

****

SaberBlade
April 1st, 2007, 06:55 AM
What? When was that? I missed that! :eek:


Martha asked him that when she first meet him in the hospital during her examination of him.

Just revising what The Signal stated.

Doctor: No. Not any more. Just me.

ShadowMaat
April 1st, 2007, 06:55 AM
Someone asked where he got the second sonic screwdriver. I just assumed he went back in time to get it, part of the tie stunt. No?
I assumed he took time off between the arrival back on Earth and swinging by at the club to go and build himself a new one.

I'll also second the prayer for no more family issues, please. Rose's "issues" got cringe-inducing by the end. I'd rather avoid that with Martha.

SaberBlade
April 1st, 2007, 07:00 AM
maybe he keeps a sonic screwdriver in every suit, or he's got more than one. I can't really see someone who relies on a single tool that much not having a spare in case of emergencies.

The Signal
April 1st, 2007, 09:15 AM
Not sure about the blue suit - there's nothing wrong with it, I just much prefer the brown one.

Agreed, blue is... different, makes him stand out, but it doesn't have the geek-chic essence about it that the brown did IMO, the brown just suited him better.

As for the screwdriver, he probably built a new one, his reaction to the loss of the first wasn't that of a man with a bunch in a box somewhere lying around. I had actually hoped he wouldn't have a new one, way overused at the moment IMO, I hope they tone down the usage of it in future.

Promethius30
April 1st, 2007, 12:14 PM
I am not sure what to think off this ep and enjoy it but not as much as i normally do
I like the jagoon the space rhinos coz i am a leeds rhinos fan so it works out for the best

Pitry
April 1st, 2007, 01:22 PM
Oy, excellent season opener.

Silly and insane and very Doctor Who-ish and I lvoed it to bits. Yup, Martha seems really cool (tho I don't understadn why they didn't just ignore the "same actress playing two characters" bit, never stopped people before :))
Agreed about the Douglas Adams vibes. ell, it only fits, him having written episodes and all.

I'm really glad he madwe himself a new sonic screwdriver tho. The Doctor without his sonic screwdriver? so horrid.

*happy*
*wantsd another episode*

docballen
April 1st, 2007, 03:29 PM
I think it would be worrying that a hospital can't figure out a guy has two hearts. The 7th Doctor's two hearts was figured out fairly quickly by a US doctor, but 10th is in a hospital all day and they seem to pass it without a second thought.


If I remember the Doctor Who Movie (the one where the 7th Doctor regenerates into the 8th Doctor-- )

Grace-- his heart doctor or cardiologist-- doesn't figure it out. She gets lost during a catheterization, and McCoy "dies" right there on the table.


It takes the 8th Doctor repeatedly telling her he was different-- and not just crazy as she wanted to believe-- for her to understand he had different anatomy.

Easter Lily
April 1st, 2007, 04:34 PM
I'm very fond of the sonic screwdriver... partially because I'm very fond of the Pertwee era. I dunno... it's not quite the Doctor without it. A signature thing, I suppose.

SaberBlade
April 1st, 2007, 05:58 PM
If I remember the Doctor Who Movie (the one where the 7th Doctor regenerates into the 8th Doctor-- )

Grace-- his heart doctor or cardiologist-- doesn't figure it out. She gets lost during a catheterization, and McCoy "dies" right there on the table.


It takes the 8th Doctor repeatedly telling her he was different-- and not just crazy as she wanted to believe-- for her to understand he had different anatomy.

Odd, that's not how I remembered it. I'll need to get it and rewatch it because I thought she figured out he had two hearts before you know what happened.

lord-anubis
April 1st, 2007, 06:07 PM
you know this my seem silly but was i the only one who could stop thinking about Scrubs when watching this ep. this ep could have been at lot better if it took place at sacred heart. insed of martha JD,DrCox or Elliot. The Janitor could have taken thous raino guys. i guess kelso would have probly died and as u can see i thought about this way to much

ShadowMaat
April 1st, 2007, 07:20 PM
I'm glad it wasn't Scrubs. Or Grey's Anatomy. Or any other "doctors/nurses screwing each other's brains out" excuse for a so-called medical show. I'll take a hospital full of screaming fools over that any day.

Madeleine
April 1st, 2007, 11:05 PM
I love this show. David Tennant is wonderful. Martha is a welcome addition, someone who might do some of the spelling-out-for-the audience bits instead of having it done to her by the Doctor.

The Space Rhinos looked pretty realistic (as Space Rhinos go).

The "it's bigger on the inside" thing has been done with everyone who ever goes inside, and it has to be done, but it was a nice touch having the Doctor mouth Martha's words, just to make it a bit different.

Chaka's_Mum
April 1st, 2007, 11:43 PM
I agree - it's great fun. David is brilliant, and he gives the Doctor a kind of slightly-insane-but-fully-in-control-nonetheless energy that ventures beyond hyperactive and into wildly crazy territory. You can't help wondering whether he's actually really rational - until he gets out the sonic screwdriver and saves the day. I love it.

I think Martha is going to be a good companion for him. She's more highly educated than Rose was, so it'll be interesting to see if she has the same levels of everyday commonsense that Rose had (it's amazing how many highly educated and qualified people don't!). Mind you, if this ep was anything to go by, with her busy home life I suspect she will!

Have to say the Judoon were great - the prosthetics were fantastic and looked incredibly good. Right bunch of jobsworths, though.

I also enjoyed the 'Martha's first view of the TARDIS' scene - they stitched the 'inside' and 'outside' shots together very well. I wonder if the Doctor ever gets tired of that whole 'it's bigger on the inside than the outside' thing?

Easter Lily
April 2nd, 2007, 12:44 AM
I'm glad it wasn't Scrubs. Or Grey's Anatomy. Or any other "doctors/nurses screwing each other's brains out" excuse for a so-called medical show. I'll take a hospital full of screaming fools over that any day.

Amen, sister, amen!
;)

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 01:18 AM
"I don't have a brother. Not any more." or whatever the exact lines were - wasn't there speculation many many years ago that the Doctor and the Master were brothers?

Speaking of the Master, "Mister Saxon" is - as I've pointed out elsewhere - an anagram of "Master No. Six". Now taking into account the speculation that Life on Mars star John Simm is to play the Master, he would indeed be the sixth actor to have played the character.

Now, is it merely a coincindence, I wonder, that the name of Simm's Life on Mars character - Sam Tyler - is an anagram of "Masterly".

Hmmmm... *strokes chin thoughtfully*

Reefgirl
April 2nd, 2007, 01:49 AM
You have far too much time on your hands BruTak :lol: I think John Simm would make a great Master

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 01:52 AM
You have far too much time on your hands BruTak :lol: I think John Simm would make a great Master

Well, it was my good friend Cap'n Dave who pointed out the "Master No. Six" thing, and drinking buddy Jinxx who came up with "Masterly", so blame them.

I'd kind of like Phillip Glenister to play the Master a la Gene Hunt - "I am the Master, an' I'm 'avin 'oops!" :D

Easter Lily
April 2nd, 2007, 02:24 AM
"I don't have a brother. Not any more." or whatever the exact lines were - wasn't there speculation many many years ago that the Doctor and the Master were brothers?
It doesn't necessarily have to be the Master, you know... ;) As we know, he has a grand-daughter, so it is within the realm of possibility for him to have had an assortment of family.
That said, I did read in the Nth Doctor that there were a number of potential movie scripts tauting the idea of the Master as the Doctor's half brother. I also heard murmurings on Outpost Gallifrey that before Roger Delgado's death, the showrunners were going to make an announcement pertaining to the Master/Doctor relationship.
Personally, I don't know... it could just be a throwaway line by RTD to get the fans het up. :D To me the simplest answer is that it is a reference to the Time Wars and the fact that he's the only Gallifreyan left.


Speaking of the Master, "Mister Saxon" is - as I've pointed out elsewhere - an anagram of "Master No. Six". Now taking into account the speculation that Life on Mars star John Simm is to play the Master, he would indeed be the sixth actor to have played the character.

Now, is it merely a coincindence, I wonder, that the name of Simm's Life on Mars character - Sam Tyler - is an anagram of "Masterly".

Hmmmm... *strokes chin thoughtfully*
You're sure you're not Chinese? :P

I wouldn't mind John Simms in the part... He could pull it off but he would be a much more angsty Master than what we've seen in the past.

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 03:42 AM
You're sure you're not Chinese? :P

Whatever gave you that notion? I'm Scottish - pale blue in colour.

Easter Lily
April 2nd, 2007, 04:24 AM
Whatever gave you that notion? I'm Scottish - pale blue in colour.

Only because the Chinese have a long tradition of divining information from names and numbers. ;)

I don't know why but after watching this recent episode, it occurred to me that DT would make a very interesting Willy Wonka. Must be something about the radiation wriggle dance. :D

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 04:27 AM
Hey, maybe we can start a new craze for Dr. Who conventions?

"Ladies and Gentlemen - take your partners for the Radiation Wiggle Dance!" :D

Chaka's_Mum
April 2nd, 2007, 04:37 AM
"I don't have a brother. Not any more." or whatever the exact lines were - wasn't there speculation many many years ago that the Doctor and the Master were brothers?

Speaking of the Master, "Mister Saxon" is - as I've pointed out elsewhere - an anagram of "Master No. Six". Now taking into account the speculation that Life on Mars star John Simm is to play the Master, he would indeed be the sixth actor to have played the character.

Now, is it merely a coincindence, I wonder, that the name of Simm's Life on Mars character - Sam Tyler - is an anagram of "Masterly".

Hmmmm... *strokes chin thoughtfully*

Blimey - I have been out of touch here! I was wondering whether the 'Saxon' poster had any meaning myself - and here's a whole world of speculation that I knew nothing about! I had no idea that the Master might be raising his head again - that is definitely worth waiting for!

I bow before the superior speculators; I am truly not worthy!

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 04:42 AM
Ok, this is from memory, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

There were four instances of Mr. Saxon's name appearing in one form or another: 1 - A newspaper headline. 2 - Mentioned in passing by Martha. 3 - A radio (or TV) news report. 4 - The "Vote Saxon" posters.

Anubis69
April 2nd, 2007, 09:20 AM
There was a "Vote Saxon" poster in Torchwood as well. As one would expect. Just thought i'd throw that in there, although it could have been mentioned already...

ShadowMaat
April 2nd, 2007, 10:33 AM
There was a "Vote Saxon" poster in Torchwood as well. As one would expect. Just thought i'd throw that in there, although it could have been mentioned already...

Well, DUH! Of COURSE it's been mentioned! Tch! :rolleyes:

Just kidding. ;) If the Torchwood poster has been mentioned, it wasn't on this thread.

I just hope they aren't gonna be overbearing with the Saxon references. These things work better when they're subtle. In my opinion.

Purgatory
April 2nd, 2007, 12:05 PM
I didn't really like this episode. David Tennant holds the screen very well, but the latest assistants just seem a little dazed, ordinary, and maybe a bit too common as well. The way Jones kept repeating we're on the moon, blah blah, before re-emphasising it with bloody just seemed unreal. I like Doctor Who, but I think it needs to be a bit more intelligent from now on, like the old series were. It seems to be quite linear to appeal to the English youth.

ShadowMaat
April 2nd, 2007, 01:34 PM
Hmm. I've seen some of the first eps of the first Doctor and the whole wad of 'em- Doctor included- acted like idiots a few times and got into some fairly stupid situations. I thought that was half the fun of the show, but then, maybe I'm not intelligent enough to appreciate what I've been missing. LOL!

I'm also going to assume that "old series" isn't referring to the stuff with Billie Piper because while Rose was many things, highly intelligent was not one of them. ;) Clever, maybe, good at putting things together sometimes, but more intelligent than Martha? Mmm... not likely. Although I suppose Rose has strengths over Martha just as Martha has strengths over Rose. *shrug*

It's a bit hard to tell after only one ep, but I wouldn't say S29 is shaping up to be stupider than S28. I'd have to see more of the early early seasons to make a good judgment on that, but what I've seen (and read) didn't seem significantly smarter than what we're getting now.

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 01:37 PM
By "old series" we mean anything from the 1963-1989 era of Dr. Who.

Clear?

ShadowMaat
April 2nd, 2007, 01:48 PM
By "old series" we mean anything from the 1963-1989 era of Dr. Who.
I figured. But you can never be too sure. "Old" is a very relative term. After all, I just came from a thread that decided that any shows that aired more than ten years ago were "too old" to be discussed. :S

Anyway, now I'm curious. IS the new incarnation of Who really that much dumber than the old stuff?

EDIT: But I'll start a separate thread for that.

BruTak
April 2nd, 2007, 02:02 PM
IS the new incarnation of Who really that much dumber than the old stuff?

Hmmm... Good question...

Well, the first books I remember reading when I was a sprog were the old Target Books novelisations of old Dr. Who stories - this would be mid 1970s we're talking here, pre-video.
That being the case, the books were the only way I could "catch up" on the stories that I'd missed, had been before my time, or simply did not exist in the BBC archives any more (which is another story for another day).

Many years later, I'd find myself rather disappointed in the naffness of the writing, acting and FX in some of the stories I watched on video, and had read the novelisations of when I was a kid - the pictures in one's head were always so much better.

And yes - IMO the new Dr. Who has had it's share of dumb moments. There's all these damnned "celebrity" cameos for a start - and don't get me started on that ruddy Absobaloff!

ShadowMaat
April 2nd, 2007, 02:42 PM
I started a thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=42640) for the whole "dumber" thing, but as for the cameos thing, I think that's one way that being from across the pond comes in handy. I tend not to recognize the celebrities. ;) Who was the plasmavore?

Gregorius
April 2nd, 2007, 03:08 PM
Nice episode, although the whole hospital on the moon thing was a bit over the top for me.

Anyway, I'll be looking forward to the next episodes of S29. :D

Matt G
April 2nd, 2007, 03:27 PM
Bru, I thought the John Simm as Master rumour was dead and buried. Simm denied he was up for the part a couple of months back!

Madeleine
April 2nd, 2007, 11:34 PM
I just watched it again with the sproggies. They said it was the scariest yet, they hid at the bits with the straw. I did think that was good, in a sinister way.

LOL at 'Planet Zovirax'.

Naonak
April 3rd, 2007, 02:26 AM
Bru, I thought the John Simm as Master rumour was dead and buried. Simm denied he was up for the part a couple of months back!

Well, he confirmed a couple of weeks ago in a radio interview that he's playing Mr Saxon, so we'll have to wait and see about the Master... ;)

Commander Ivanova
April 3rd, 2007, 02:45 AM
[URL="http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=42640"].. as for the cameos thing, I think that's one way that being from across the pond comes in handy. I tend not to recognize the celebrities. ;) Who was the plasmavore?

I spend a lot of time in the UK (only some of it watching TV!) but I can't say I recognised her. No doubt someone else will fill us in.

I have to say I do like Dr Who in general, it's zany, exuberant (sp?), tongue in cheek, sometimes spilling over into silliness, but also with some darker moments. Nothing else is quite like it. Can't speak for the previous incarnations though, before my time ;)

Dusk
April 3rd, 2007, 05:51 AM
Meh, bit limp for a season opener/companion intro.

OK so here's what annoys me about the show now:

I'm REALLY getting sick of ALL big events taking place in London, London, London. And London. And don't forget London! LONDON!!!!! It's not hard to pull of a few cheap tricks and appear to be anywhere besides London in the world, ala Alias. It's detracting from the show!

Dusk
April 3rd, 2007, 06:10 AM
Meh, bit limp for a season opener/companion intro.

OK so here's what annoys me about the show now:

I'm REALLY getting sick of ALL big events taking place in London, London, London. And London. And don't forget London! LONDON!!!!! It's not hard to pull of a few cheap tricks and appear to be anywhere besides London in the world, ala Alias. It's detracting from the show! And showing up the producers as pompous, arrogant Brits who shan't dare send the Tardis beyond the grasp of the Hempire!

Secondly, when in London, it's always set in the here and now. This makes two companions in a row that are a) from London, b) from the early 21st century, and c) young, attractive females. This formula is wearing thin. Why not pull a girl from the future, or from the 80s? Indeed, why not pull a guy? Do they have to be young? Do they have to be from London? Earth?

The trouble is that they are trying to make the Doctor's companion his love interest as well, and it shows like duct tape on a torn up Van Gough.

Having Martha's family in the mix makes the show seem like EastEnders on LSD, but EE all the same. Camp, trashy, domestic namby pamby. With Rose it was tolerable, but redressing the family unit and passing it off again with the second companion... unforgivable.

Too much of this episode resonated with the episode Rose, it almost felt like a hack and slash affair cobbled together on a train on the way to work. With coffee stains here and there, and crumpled, worn edges. A companion's intro should be more unpredictable and surprising. Now it almost seems like the Doctor goes shopping for a new companion and brings her aboard like a 40-something brings his young girlfriend home on the back of a motorcycle.

[SIGH] I never meant for this to become a ramble, but it has. I'll finish by saying that the aliens were cool, plasmavore with straw included. But really, that's it. A disappointing start to the season, I think we all expect better.

Times I mentioned London: 11.
Times I want to mention London in future post of this series: 0

BruTak
April 3rd, 2007, 06:13 AM
OK so here's what annoys me about the show now:

I'm REALLY getting sick of ALL big events taking place in London, London, London. And London. And don't forget London! LONDON!!!!! It's not hard to pull of a few cheap tricks and appear to be anywhere besides London in the world, ala Alias. It's detracting from the show!

Amen to that, oh my brother!

But have you considered if the Daleks or Cybermen were to invade - say, Glasgow - the local street urchins would have them stripped down for spare parts in no time flat. The Doctor would have nothing to do. :D

ShadowMaat
April 3rd, 2007, 06:36 AM
Well, on the whole London/Earth issue, I can definitely agree. I think that's one way in which the old series clearly trumps the new: their effects may have been cheesy, but at least they visited some by-gods alien planets! So what if they all looked like the same gravel? All the planets in Stargate look like Vancouver, but it still manages to work (more or less). ;)

I wish RTD wasn't so hellbent on Earth-centric stories. It puts a serious crimp in things, IMO.

Alipeeps
April 3rd, 2007, 08:40 AM
I loved this new ep. Gotta say David Tennant has officially eclipsed Tom Baker (yes, they do say your fave is usually the one you watched as a child) as my favourite Dr. As someone put it on another thread, he brings just the right level of eccentricity to the role.

I enjoyed the plot in this episode, loved the J'Doun, the H20 scoop, the plasmavore. I liked Martha and think she looks like shaping up to be a good companion. Different enough from Rose and to not feel like a simple replacement sidekick. There were so many little touches in this ep that I loved... the cheeky wink at Martha when she's checking his heartbeat, the Dr running around barefoot, the scarily messy hair when he gets frustrated with the hospital computer (I can't help chortling when I rewatch that bit!), the lamenting over the loss of his sonic screwdriver, the self-sacrifice to save the day... just so much to enjoy...


The fact that EVERYONE was panicking over the whole oxygen thing seemed a little overdone. I mean, Martha can't be the ONLY one with enough common sense to realize that if they aren't all dead already then there must be something protecting them. I'm also disappointed that no one mentioned the fact that Earth normal gravity was brought along as well. :P


I also couldn't help but wonder how come the hospital was still fully powered given that it was hardly connected to the national grid anymore?! :lol:


One thing I thought was good is how they explained why she looked the different character she played during the Cybermen invasion, without having to go into great detail about it. I think "i had a cousin who worked at Canary Wharf" worked out better than some fancy explanation I had expected them to come up with.


I liked that.. the fact that they just popped in a throwaway comment there to acknowledge that...



The "it's bigger on the inside" thing has been done with everyone who ever goes inside, and it has to be done, but it was a nice touch having the Doctor mouth Martha's words, just to make it a bit different.

Did you watch Dr Who Confidential afterwards on BBC3? They mentioned on there that that touch was actually David Tennant's idea... he asked if the director if he could do that for one take and they loved it and kept it in...


Amen to that, oh my brother!

But have you considered if the Daleks or Cybermen were to invade - say, Glasgow - the local street urchins would have them stripped down for spare parts in no time flat. The Doctor would have nothing to do. :D

BWAH! Oh you made me chortle there... Gotta admit that is one thing that bugs a little... London is NOT the be all and end all of the UK, folks! Aside from that, it's always not just London but right slap bang in the centre alongside all the famous landmarks... it's a heck of a coincidence that the hospital that was scooped up happened to be right across the Thames from the Houses of Parliament!! Obviously the show is sold and broadcast internationally but still, it comes across as a tad patronising to keep battering us around the head with "Lookit! Big famous landmarks! It's LONDON everybody!!" Or maybe RTD is just trying a wee bit too hard to trade on the whole Cool Britannia idea... :D

Missster.Freeman
April 3rd, 2007, 08:45 AM
Meh, bit limp for a season opener/companion intro.

OK so here's what annoys me about the show now:

I'm REALLY getting sick of ALL big events taking place in London, London, London. And London. And don't forget London! LONDON!!!!! It's not hard to pull of a few cheap tricks and appear to be anywhere besides London in the world, ala Alias. It's detracting from the show!haha! Dusk. Are you Scottish matey? :D At last, a few folk saying what I've been thinking for the last two years. I know I've been getting a bit fed up of London lately. ("Chippy" Scot here. ;)) It's not just London I'm tired of, however. I'd really like to see the Doctor leave Earth and go visit some aliens for a change. Ah well, maybe next time. Oh wait. Mind you, the next episode will be set at a time when London was the hippest location on the planet. :)

I wonder when we'll see a male companion or more than one, for that matter.

LOL Bru, they would have a traffic cone stuck on top and a dosser sleeping inside their empty carcasses. :D

BruTak
April 3rd, 2007, 08:58 AM
.LOL Bru, they would have a traffic cone stuck on top and a dosser sleeping inside their empty carcasses. :D

Oh, good God in Govan yes! :D

I have this bizarre notion that if "The Epmty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" had been set in Glasgow at the height of the Blitz, the gasmask kid would've been enquiring - in that strange gruff voice that all Glaswegian children seem to have "Ur you ma mammy?"

Willow'sCat
April 3rd, 2007, 06:01 PM
Well, on the whole London/Earth issue, I can definitely agree. I think that's one way in which the old series clearly trumps the new: their effects may have been cheesy, but at least they visited some by-gods alien planets! So what if they all looked like the same gravel? All the planets in Stargate look like Vancouver, but it still manages to work (more or less).Did you read one of RTDs latest interviews? He mentions Stargate as a reason why he would rather not do episodes with "alien" planets. They all look alike! :p :D

ShadowMaat
April 3rd, 2007, 06:15 PM
Did you read one of RTDs latest interviews? He mentions Stargate as a reason why he would rather not do episodes with "alien" planets. They all look alike! :p :D

LOL! He's got a point, but at the same time I don't see a lot of difference between having every alien planet look like Cardiff and having everything take place in London which also looks like Cardiff. :P You have the repetitiveness either way, so why not add a bit of flavor to the sameness?

Willow'sCat
April 3rd, 2007, 07:00 PM
I want alien planets. ;) But there was this whole thing around Doctor Who in the 1970s where every other story seemed to be set in or around the same "alien" gravel pit, it become such a joke.

The new Doctor Who has had a Scottish episode, a Cardiff episode, and sure a few London ones but Rose and her family lived in London so that kind of made sense.

We also had a few "studio" based alien eps or episodes where it didn't really matter if it was Earth because it was not "our" Earth or it was a different time, and it is about a TimeLord so I don't mind all that much. ;)

Early days, we have had what? 27/28 eps in the new series? That is almost the equivalent to one season of a US show. ;) And even if we don't get an "alien" planet episode this series; with the hint that RTD will be leaving (from RTD himself) we may get a whole lot in Series 4/30. :)

docballen
April 3rd, 2007, 09:53 PM
This makes two companions in a row that are a) from London, b) from the early 21st century, and c) young, attractive females. This formula is wearing thin. Why not pull a girl from the future, or from the 80s? Indeed, why not pull a guy? Do they have to be young? Do they have to be from London? Earth?




That sounds like a call for Captain Jack Harkness to return.... ooooooh please!!! I like him a lot!!! :indeed:




(yea, I know he's coming back to Dr Who at the end of the season... I can hardly wait!!!)

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 12:33 AM
That sounds like a call for Captain Jack Harkness to return.... ooooooh please!!! I like him a lot!!! :indeed:




(yea, I know he's coming back to Dr Who at the end of the season... I can hardly wait!!!)

Cap'n Jack is due to return in ep. 11 "Utopia".

Alipeeps
April 4th, 2007, 01:43 AM
I want alien planets. ;) But there was this whole thing around Doctor Who in the 1970s where every other story seemed to be set in or around the same "alien" gravel pit, it become such a joke.

The new Doctor Who has had a Scottish episode, a Cardiff episode, and sure a few London ones but Rose and her family lived in London so that kind of made sense.

We also had a few "studio" based alien eps or episodes where it didn't really matter if it was Earth because it was not "our" Earth or it was a different time, and it is about a TimeLord so I don't mind all that much. ;)

Early days, we have had what? 27/28 eps in the new series? That is almost the equivalent to one season of a US show. ;) And even if we don't get an "alien" planet episode this series; with the hint that RTD will be leaving (from RTD himself) we may get a whole lot in Series 4/30. :)

Well I suppose, to be fair, in the 10th Dr eps alone we've had episodes set on New Earth, on a spaceship at the far reaches of the galaxy, on an asteroid orbiting a black hole (which was, of course, partly filmed in a Welsh quarry! :lol:)....

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 01:48 AM
Well, I suppose it's a necessity of TV production that alien planets have to have an Earth-like atmosphere and similar gravity - otherwise you'd have all that tedious faffing around in spacesuits and so forth.

Which reminds me, the spacesuits used in "The Impossible Planet" and "The Satan Pit" were in fact biohazzard suits.

Willow'sCat
April 4th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Well I suppose, to be fair, in the 10th Dr eps alone we've had episodes set on New Earth, on a spaceship at the far reaches of the galaxy, on an asteroid orbiting a black hole (which was, of course, partly filmed in a Welsh quarry! :lol:)....Quarry! That was the word I was trying to think of! All those eps in a quarry, I am sure one of the Dalek's in "Geniuses of the Daleks" almost topples over due to all the loose rubble. :P

RTD did once say the Earth bound stuff was due to cost: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5359552.stm)

Not sure I buy that, I mean it isn't like they didn't cover Cardiff in snow to make it look like Winter, or dress entire streets up to make them look like Christmas. :cool:

Apparently Stargate is not prime time :p and their fans are a dedicated lot... LOL! Really.

Has RTD met any Doctor Who fans lately? :S :p

Easter Lily
April 4th, 2007, 02:25 AM
I don't mind Earth episodes... as long as in some of them he goes backwards or forwards in time. I thought that was the whole point of the TARDIS. ;)

ShadowMaat
April 4th, 2007, 04:35 AM
RTD did once say the Earth bound stuff was due to cost: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5359552.stm)
They can drain the Thames but they can't afford to make Cardiff/London look like an alien planet? Riiight. ;)

SG72
April 4th, 2007, 05:39 AM
I throughrly enjoyed the start to this series, Ive never seen my kids so quiet .
The effects were fantastic the shots from the moon were brilliant . BTW they didnt cover Cardiff in snow the one with the Gelf was shot in Swansea and was made to look like Cardiff. Most of Doctor Who is filmed in Cardiff which is great for Wales . I think it was a brave move for RTD to bring back a show which the BBC cancelled way back because of audience drop offs but then realised when the film came on just how popular it was . I think we have to give him a chance to prove he can do other planet shows .With so much other rubbish on the telly right now what with reality shows on everyother channel its nice to see something fresh and dont forget they have to take into consideration the sort of age range that watches Doctor Who . In my house for instance i have three kids age range of 12-3 and all three watch the show , some of the first series was abit scarry and a couple in the second where to and no doubt there will be one or two in this serise which will scare them but for the older ones it will be great .
The bit with the Doctor in the MRi room i thought was brilliant it broke the tension and i had my kids reacting that bit for a couple of hours so its fun for them aswell the sory lines are for the adults to follow and to explain to the kids after.
I remeber the old old Doctor Who where the sets wobbled evertime they shut the door and where the monster was some poor bloke was dressed up in some halloween costume and the effects were so crap they were laughable . So RTD might not have the buget for major of planet scenes but at least he tries , For example the werewolf they scenes had to be planned out so that the budget wasnt blown on the CGI .
I think we have to give him a chance but also lobby the BBC for a bigger buget for the show if you want more of planet shows.
But if you go back to the 70's poor John Pertwee got stranded on earth but i dont recall anyone complaining that the bad guys had to come to him.
The did try and give the doctor more than one companion it was back in the eightie and for some reason cant remeber the actors name :S he had three and i think Tom Baker had a couple aswell , So maybe in time there will be more than one there might even be a bloke in there somewhere.
But as i have said i think we ave to give it time dont forget its still a young child at the moment and its still growing the more it grows the better it will be.
Sorry for the rant but i feel a lot of this had to be said ..................:(

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 05:42 AM
Feel free to rant all you want my friend.

I notice that was your first post, welcome to the Gateworld Forum. :D

SG72
April 4th, 2007, 05:54 AM
Feel free to rant all you want my friend.

I notice that was your first post, welcome to the Gateworld Forum. :D
Thank you for the welcome .I just felt everyone is missing the big picture:(

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 06:01 AM
I get what you're saying.

The bottom line IMO, is that there's only so much you can do with a TV budget.
future eps spec
Decamping to London to film in the recreated Globe Theatre for "The Shakespeare Code" must've taken a fair sized chunk out of the company coffers.

I for one am curious as to how 1930s Manhattan is gonna be faked, in 2007 Cardiff, on a TV budget for eps. 4-5 "Daleks in Manhattan", and "Evolution of the Daleks".

ShadowMaat
April 4th, 2007, 06:12 AM
Would you mind putting that in SPOILER TAGS!!! since I had no idea that was going to be happening, Bru? :mad:

Anubis69
April 4th, 2007, 06:54 AM
... Yeah. I'll second that motion.

SG72
April 4th, 2007, 07:25 AM
I get what you're saying.

The bottom line IMO, is that there's only so much you can do with a TV budget.

Decamping to London to film in the recreated Globe Theatre for "The Shakespeare Code" must've taken a fair sized chunk out of the company coffers.

I for one am curious as to how 1930s Manhattan is gonna be faked, in 2007 Cardiff, on a TV budget for eps. 4-5 "Daleks in Manhattan", and "Evolution of the Daleks".
I understand that which is why sometimes we get just your standard (pardon the pun) down to earth back and forth time epis . You have to remember that Cardiff isnt the only place in Wales they film they use other towns aswell .
Yes it will be interesting to see what they do but im more interseted in the story lines that what the city looks like behind them ;) .
At least there not stuck in some quarry somewhere lol waiting for the Darleks to catch up with em cos the grounds too rough or you can see the blokes feet . We have seen more fantastic stuff in the last two seasons than we ever did in the original . We should celebrate that rather than pick everything RTD does to bits .
How many shows give your average child the chance to have his/her monster made and staring in one of their favourite sci-fi shows !!!!!!!!!!

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 07:39 AM
ShadowMaat and Anubis69 - Two words, "common" and "knowledge".

Am I the only person who reads TV Zone and the like?

Good God in Govan! The Radio Times had a sixteen page preview of the new series in last weeks issue - including a full rundown of every episode, guest stars, and episode title with comments by RTD.

I mean, "Daleks in Manhattan" - What the blazes do you think it's gonna be about?

ShadowMaat
April 4th, 2007, 07:43 AM
Actually, I wasn't aware of the ep title, but even so that doesn't tell us the time that it takes place. And the last time I checked magazine articles were supposed to be tagged BECAUSE they're full of spoilers and because not everyone has access to or interest in reading the various magazines.

Does that mean I could say, "I can't believe O'Neill is going to die when Earth blows up" and not use spoiler tags because I'd read it in a magazine?

Skydiver
April 4th, 2007, 07:58 AM
Am I the only person who reads TV Zone and the like?


Not everyone gets the magazine. And thanks to the delays in world wide shipping, even those that subscribe to it can get it weeks after it comes out.

Future titles are not spoilers per se, but the plot of them is.

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 08:07 AM
Not everyone gets the magazine. And thanks to the delays in world wide shipping, even those that subscribe to it can get it weeks after it comes out.

Future titles are not spoilers per se, but the plot of them is.

Ok, point taken. I shall do my best to behave in the future.

Honestly Skydiver old girl, this is the second time you've had to rap me across the knuckles lately. Whatever must you think of me? ;)

The Signal
April 4th, 2007, 08:10 AM
I for one am curious as to how 1930s Manhattan is gonna be faked, in 2007 Cardiff.

Lots of interiors, and rumor has it there was a little filming actually done over in New York

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 08:12 AM
Lots of interiors, and rumor has it there was a little filming actually done over in New York

Fair enough.

When was the last time that an ep of Dr. Who was filmed in forn parts? anyone have any idea?

SG72
April 4th, 2007, 08:23 AM
Fair enough.

When was the last time that an ep of Dr. Who was filmed in forn parts? anyone have any idea?
I cant think of any apart from the film !!!! does that count:)

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 08:26 AM
I cant think of any apart from the film !!!! does that count:)

Yeah, that counts.
If memory serves, there was part of a Fourth Doctor story - "City of Death" - which was filmed in Paris. Also some of a Fifth Doctor story (I forget the title) that was filmed in Greece, I think, somewhere sunny anyway...

SG72
April 4th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Yeah, that counts.
If memory serves, there was part of a Fourth Doctor story - "City of Death" - which was filmed in Paris. Also some of a Fifth Doctor story (I forget the title) that was filmed in Greece, I think, somewhere sunny anyway...
I think you just shot yourself in the foot lol fair enough they are not recent ones apart from the film but they were shot on forn soil lol

BruTak
April 4th, 2007, 08:56 AM
I'm old, I have a bad memory that sometimes requires a prod, so sue me...

docballen
April 4th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Parts of The Two Doctors were filmed in Spain-- Seville or Andalucia.

The parts in the Dona Arana (sp) house and out in the fields chasing... butterflies. :jack:

BruTak
April 5th, 2007, 06:12 AM
Right, so there's a precident. My point is it's been a while since the show filmed anything abroad.

docballen
April 5th, 2007, 10:02 AM
They can come to my house and film!!!

OK so I live in an apartment in Terre Haute, Indiana. They'd have to call the area "the sucking vacuum of the void" but I think everybody will know the truth.

I'll even bring sandwiches!!


"Did you say there would be CAKE??" :jack_new_anime07:

ShadowMaat
April 5th, 2007, 11:30 AM
They can film in my yard. It's even located on the infamous pond into which the shark swam in Jaws. ;)

Tanduay
April 6th, 2007, 12:06 AM
I started a thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=42640) for the whole "dumber" thing, but as for the cameos thing, I think that's one way that being from across the pond comes in handy. I tend not to recognize the celebrities. ;) Who was the plasmavore?

She was played by veteren british actress Anne Reid.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0717179/

Those of us who spent their time behind the sofa watching early Dr Who when we were kids will remmeber her playing Valerie Barlow in Coronation St

Commander Ivanova
April 6th, 2007, 02:46 AM
Those of us who spent their time behind the sofa watching early Dr Who when we were kids will remmeber her playing Valerie Barlow in Coronation St

That explains why some of us haven't a scoobie then! :S

Alipeeps
April 6th, 2007, 03:06 AM
She was played by veteren british actress Anne Reid.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0717179/

Those of us who spent their time behind the sofa watching early Dr Who when we were kids will remmeber her playing Valerie Barlow in Coronation St

Well I'm in the UK and that passed me by completely too. Mind you, I've never watched any soap operas. I didn't realise the actress was anyone "special" or recognisable, just a good actress.

Tanduay
April 6th, 2007, 03:38 AM
I answered someone's question, now it is my turn to ask one.
The Judoon uniforms. I have seen something very very like it before but I just can't put my finger on it yet.
Yeah I know it bears similarities to roman and greek uniforms but I am sure I have seen something far closer in black, with the skirt things and big shoulders, so not Riddick either.

Any ideas?

Tanduay
April 6th, 2007, 03:49 AM
For those fans of the blue suit, at the end of the episode he was back in brown.
He wore several last series , so I am sure you will see it again tho

Tanduay
April 6th, 2007, 03:54 AM
Meh, bit limp for a season opener/companion intro.

OK so here's what annoys me about the show now:

I'm REALLY getting sick of ALL big events taking place in London, London, London. And London. And don't forget London! LONDON!!!!! It's not hard to pull of a few cheap tricks and appear to be anywhere besides London in the world, ala Alias. It's detracting from the show!

I dunno, it makes a change from fraking LA, San Francisco or new york.

I kinda like seeing my old home town anyway. Rather like the look of Cardiff come to that too. Wish I had visited it.

Tanduay
April 6th, 2007, 04:32 AM
When the Doctor reaches for his sonic screwdriver and it isn't there at the climax of the episode, is it my imagination or does he say "Oh smeg"?

(for those of you who do not know this is an expletive from Red Dwarf)

aschen
April 6th, 2007, 09:25 AM
I was able to catch Smith & Jones last night. It was pretty fun!

Alipeeps
April 6th, 2007, 03:18 PM
When the Doctor reaches for his sonic screwdriver and it isn't there at the climax of the episode, is it my imagination or does he say "Oh smeg"?

(for those of you who do not know this is an expletive from Red Dwarf)

I thought he said "oh sonic.." (as in screwdriver).. though I guess it's possible it was "oh sod it"!! :lol:

Willow'sCat
April 7th, 2007, 03:14 AM
I answered someone's question, now it is my turn to ask one.
The Judoon uniforms. I have seen something very very like it before but I just can't put my finger on it yet.
Any ideas?I thought they looked a little like Sontarans but then I am kind of obsessed with them at the moment. Anything in a helmet and I start thinking of Sontarans. :S

I need help. :P

Nolamom
April 7th, 2007, 06:42 PM
I was going to wait, I really was. I waited more than a week. Then I couldn't stand it anymore. I *needed* my DW fix. Really liking the smart new companion, Martha. Loved the pacing of the episode, great romp. I liked how the doctor seemed to be sizing up Jones for awhile before taking her on as a companion. The Judoon were great - they reminded me of the aliens from the 5th Element with the way they talked.

BruTak
April 8th, 2007, 01:27 AM
If I remember right, the aliens in The Fifth Element were called Mangalores. :)

Missster.Freeman
April 8th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Yes Nolamom, I could see a passing resemblance as well. The Judoon also reminded me of the Pig Cops in the computer game, Duke Nukem 3D. Okay, so they are based on pigs and not Rhinos, but they are very similar in appearance.

Trek_Girl42
June 18th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Absolutely loved it. :D Great introduction to Martha- I definitely agree that it's a better introduction than Rose's, and I really like the character already. I thought the Rino head looked fantastic, definitely hope we see them again. The only thing I can think of at the moment that I didn't like was the reactions of the extras in the hospital windows. :S


And great scene when she walks into the alley and sees The Doctor leaning against the Tardis, I love "It's bigger on the inside" scenes as well. :D


I don't know how I can possibley survive the wait until next week- and I thought just waiting for the season to start was hard!
Shakespeare! :D

Angela V
June 19th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Wow. What a great intro for Martha! I already like her way more than Rose. I didn't like Rose in the beginning though she got better later on.

My hubby came home when I started the episode so he eat dinner and watched it. Actually put his Harry Potter book down. Actually said he was surprised how good the show was and really like the british campy stuff. Well, I've converted my 7 year old son, my almost 3 year old daughter and I think I've FINALLY (he's watched some bits of seasons 27-28 and some Tom Barker years I've gotten through the library) converted him :).

Though I did keep noticing David's hair. From being messy to not so messy. A bit distracting! :)

Trek_Girl42
June 19th, 2007, 11:18 PM
Wow. What a great intro for Martha! I already like her way more than Rose. I didn't like Rose in the beginning though she got better later on.

My hubby came home when I started the episode so he eat dinner and watched it. Actually put his Harry Potter book down. Actually said he was surprised how good the show was and really like the british campy stuff. Well, I've converted my 7 year old son, my almost 3 year old daughter and I think I've FINALLY (he's watched some bits of seasons 27-28 and some Tom Barker years I've gotten through the library) converted him :).

Though I did keep noticing David's hair. From being messy to not so messy. A bit distracting! :)
LOL Actually didn't notice that.....except for one part where after he rubbed his hands through it and it was practically a mohawk. :P

I think I finally got my parents hooked on Doctor Who with last night's ep. It's just so much fun, how could one resist? :D

But to get someone to put a down a Harry Potter book for it.....now that is an accomplishment. :cool:

Angela V
June 20th, 2007, 10:53 AM
LOL

But to get someone to put a down a Harry Potter book for it.....now that is an accomplishment. :cool:

It's the Half Blood Prince one. He's just re reading it to gear up for the 7th book. He's only read it about 10 times (the rest probably 20 since we've had them longer). He's a fast reader. He gets to read the last book first BUT must not speak a word to me until I'm done. Otherwise I can threaten to throw him in the Tardis! hehehe

Trek_Girl42
June 20th, 2007, 11:28 AM
It's the Half Blood Prince one. He's just re reading it to gear up for the 7th book. He's only read it about 10 times (the rest probably 20 since we've had them longer). He's a fast reader. He gets to read the last book first BUT must not speak a word to me until I'm done. Otherwise I can threaten to throw him in the Tardis! hehehe
:lol:

ShadowMaat
June 20th, 2007, 03:04 PM
He gets to read the last book first BUT must not speak a word to me until I'm done. Otherwise I can threaten to throw him in the Tardis! hehehe

...And that's supposed to be a deterrent?? :P

Did I mention I have an advanced reader copy and Harry dies? :D

(and for those panicking, that's a joke... as far as I know)

Trek_Girl42
June 20th, 2007, 03:37 PM
...And that's supposed to be a deterrent?? :P

No kidding.....if that's the "penalty", I'll shout spoilers from the rooftops! :D

Send me off in the TARDIS any day!

Alipeeps
June 20th, 2007, 03:39 PM
No kidding.....if that's the "penalty", I'll shout spoilers from the rooftops! :D

Send me off in the TARDIS any day!

Esepcially if David Tennant's in there! *swoon* :D

Trek_Girl42
June 20th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Esepcially if David Tennant's in there! *swoon* :D
Oookay, deal sealed, I want to be thrown in the TARDIS never to return. :D

Alipeeps
June 20th, 2007, 03:54 PM
Oookay, deal sealed, I want to be thrown in the TARDIS never to return. :D

OMG! I love your avatar!! :D

MmmmMcKAy
June 21st, 2007, 07:09 AM
Yay for watching new Doctor Who.
This episode was really fun and fast paced.

I liked Martha immediately and I think the Doctor did too. He was definitely sizing her up during their adventure. Then I think he was almost trying to seduce her into being his companion(although he didn't ask in so many words).
I like that Rose still gets mentioned. After all, she's very important to the Doctor and he obviously cares a lot for her.:(

My kids laugh at me for watching Doctor Who, Atlantis or anything sci-fi. They hate that kind of stuff. It's too geeky for them.;) I'll never convert anyone.

Trek_Girl42
June 21st, 2007, 08:50 AM
Frak! I just wrote a rather lengthy post and lost it! Soooo, in short:


Yay for watching new Doctor Who.
This episode was really fun and fast paced.

I liked Martha immediately and I think the Doctor did too. He was definitely sizing her up during their adventure. Then I think he was almost trying to seduce her into being his companion(although he didn't ask in so many words).
I like that Rose still gets mentioned. After all, she's very important to the Doctor and he obviously cares a lot for her.:(

My kids laugh at me for watching Doctor Who, Atlantis or anything sci-fi. They hate that kind of stuff. It's too geeky for them.;) I'll never convert anyone.
I absolutely loved the pacing of this ep, it was, in a word, fantastic, the hour went by way too fast. :D


Your kids don't know what they're missing! Wish my parents were into this stuff, but nooooo, I had to convert them. :P

uknesvuinng
June 21st, 2007, 05:56 PM
...And that's supposed to be a deterrent?? :P

Did I mention I have an advanced reader copy and Harry dies? :D

(and for those panicking, that's a joke... as far as I know)

We remember the last set of spoilers you "made up" don't we? :P

ShadowMaat
June 21st, 2007, 06:37 PM
We remember the last set of spoilers you "made up" don't we? :P

That's why I said "as far as I know." ;) Believe me, there are still a couple of Atlantis "spoilers" I made up that have me a little worried.

I don't dare try it with Doctor Who.

MasySyma
July 6th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Hmmm. I liked this episode but not as much as The Runaway Bride. I think this one suffered from following right behind the other here in America. We had two minutes to say bye Donna and hello Martha.

The Good:

Martha: I like that she is smart, logical, and compassionate. I'm reserving judgment for now, but I wasn't repulsed by anything she did.

The Doctor: Mostly, I liked him as always. Doctor number 10 rarely does anything that makes me dislike him (unlike number 9). It probably doesn't hurt that I think DT is hot. (Hangs head. I am a nerd.) :)

The Bad:

The Pacing: The episode felt long to me. It got better at the end, but I found the rest of the hospital staff a waste of time.

Martha's Family: The whole lot are selfish idiots. Can one of them be beamed into space, soon? Jackie had reasons to be the "way" she was, so while she drove me nuts, I did not want to see her cybered. I dislike these folks and would not care if a Judoon ate one of them.

Martha: I know that I've got her on here twice. I like her but the school girl crush happened way too fast. One kiss? She's super smart and couldn't figure out that whole non-human partical thing? This is why I'm reserving judgment. She could turn into Rose part 2 really fast.

Overall, it was ok, but I'm not staying up to see it again. It will wait for the DVD. 8/10.

docballen
July 7th, 2007, 02:43 PM
Just watched it ... again. this time on Sci-Fi.

I really like Martha. Her family are full of looneys. I've seen the whole season [mod edit - HUGE MAJOR spoilers follow for series finale] (with a couple of exceptions... man is it silly to see posts on this thread that are about "Saxon" and speculations AND have pictures of the Master as the avatar and signature!!! Whooo!!)

This is the kind of Dr Who that I like. I even liked the fact that the Plasmavore used a straw... that's eccentric.

I'm really sad that
[mod edit - spoilers follow for series finale]
Martha will be leaving and we'll be getting Donna back


9/10

Ragnarok13
July 7th, 2007, 07:44 PM
thats a joke right?

Trek_Girl42
July 7th, 2007, 08:31 PM
thats a joke right?
Go read the thread that says it isn't. ;)

gopher65
July 7th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Jackie had reasons to be the "way" she was, so while she drove me nuts, I did not want to see her cybered.
hahahahahahaha. I think that word has a different connotation for me than for you. That line made me laugh:D. And just for the record, I have no desire to see her get cybered either. *cough*

BlueSparks
September 28th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I missed the first two eps of season 3 of Doctor Who, I need to buy the DVD box set. This season is awesome! I am trying to figure out the Doctors feelings for Martha. Sometimes he just seems like a friend and other times he acts like he is something more but his feeling for Rose keeps him from making a move. *scratches head* Like the time when martha kissed that guy in the space station right before she stepped into the Tardis. Then doctor had a very serious look on his face like either martha likes another man; or I almost killed her; or should I or shouldn't I give her this key. I guess I have to wait and see.;)

Davidtourniquet
October 3rd, 2007, 03:05 PM
How slow am I? Just worked out how they explained freema playing the woman with the earpieces in the last ep of series 2 and martha. *bangs head on the wall*.

~Benjamin~
October 6th, 2007, 06:53 AM
:lol: , mate that is heaps slow

gateship15
December 6th, 2008, 08:47 PM
this is a fantastic episode one i have watched many times and enjoyed every time i have watched it

Crazedwraith
December 16th, 2008, 05:32 AM
I though Martha Jones had alot of potential in this episode. It's a pity they later reduced her roles to mainly moping about how much she was in love with the Doctor, every single episode

Still, this was a fun episode. I'd liked to have seen more of the Judoon. They were interesting as the ycould be both friend and foe, depending on whether the Doctor accidently finds himself on the wrong side of the law.

gateship15
December 17th, 2008, 01:07 AM
i agree she did have alot of paternal i think that if she didn't mope about all the time and was still head strong like she was in this episode and later episodes after she left the doctor and was engaged she would have been a better companion. great episode tho

maneth
July 5th, 2012, 09:26 AM
Cool episode and I loved Martha. Too bad it seems they won't really use her in future...

maneth
August 18th, 2014, 10:02 AM
I still like Martha, she's my favorite of the new companions.