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February 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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The Doctor introduces Martha to New Earth 5 billion years in the future -- but after she is kidnapped, he must make his way through an underground highway of travelers who spend decades on the road, not knowing that the world above them is dead.

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Admiral Mappalazarou
April 14th, 2007, 12:26 PM
wow

lol my dog wouldn't stop playing through out the entire episode but the Face of Boe's secret was nice. 'You are not alone...' and CJ was right that he would die in the episode. The whole infinite motorway thing was a tad rediculous but incredibly well done. I liked the fact that the New New Yorkians in the city above hadn't abandoned them - they were all dead. Creepy but excellent way to deliver a sequel to the New New York storyline. I wonder if this is the last we'll see of that planet?

Anywho I liked the return of the cat sister from New Earth, continuence in Doctor Who is brilliant. Have the crab like creatures been in it before? And what were they doing under the planet anyways? I miss the face of boe lol

My favourite line was the doctor saying 'Wait a minute *stops hugging cat sister* last time we met you were killing semi-human hybrids!!'

lol cant wait for next weeks - Daleks in Manhatten here we come!!!

Anubis69
April 14th, 2007, 12:32 PM
DT really has mastered the "melancholic yet still thoughtful and insightful" look. After the Face Of Boe spoke... Awesome. Equally amazing was the expression as The Doctor was describing his home planet (Gallifrey, I assume?) for the second time at the end.

Happenstance
April 14th, 2007, 12:40 PM
It was a great ending to the episode. Showing some good acting and seeing the Doctor opening up is something I always like to see.

Rest of the episode was ok but not brilliant.

Stricken
April 14th, 2007, 12:41 PM
The Doctor has started to unravel himself to Martha which is great. He realised that has to move on from Rose although he did take her to New New Earth where he and Rose went last year.

One thing that slightly confuses me is that if on the world above everyone had died, where the footage was coming from when the Doctor used the sonic screwdriver on the screen at the beginning of the episode.

I wanted the Doctor to jump in the TARDIS and fly after Martha but if he had done that, then we wouldn't have met some of the more colourful characters of New New York. The want to leave for a better life drove these people to kidnap Martha and is the ambition of them all. The fact that no-one realised that they weren't going anywhere was bizarre, how can there be space for them to move if they are going round in a circuit?

I wished that what happened was the result of the Doctor’s action from last year, and that the entire population had died as a result of a disease that they couldn’t cure but the patches worked just as well I guess.

Something in me told me that the face of Boe's words would be "You are not alone" mainly because of the name of the episode at the end of the series.
Whilst the Doctor seems sure that Boe was wrong I doubt he his. The Face of Boe has seen a lot and knows a lot, he may have seen things that the Doctor hasn't seen another TimeLord....

Happenstance
April 14th, 2007, 12:45 PM
That reminds me. Are we supposed to assume that the rain at the beginning was artificial considering that nobody under the city had seen the sky.

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 12:49 PM
I cried at the end. Not only because of Tennant's amazing portrayal of the pain and loss the Dr feels when he finally talks about his people and his past.. but also because the hymn they played in the background in Abide With Me and that damn song just hits me every time... it was played at my grandad's funeral when I was 11. :(

Anyway. Damn good episode.. possibly my least favourite of the three so far but still damn good. Felt a bit slower; definitely less action-packed and the bottle-effect of filming most of it in the small confines of the car set made it drag just a little for me. Adored the set piece of the Dr jumping from car to car - wonderful sequence.

Tennant, once again, was fabulous and I thought the Dr's anguish at losing Martha and feeling resposible for her was wonderful. The Face of Bo was great and his secret... wow. Am guessing that's something that's going to be followed up on this season?

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 12:52 PM
Have the crab like creatures been in it before?

I assume they have because in the end credits there was a line referncing who they were created by... I assumed that meant they had been created/mentioned/shown in a previous Dr Who ep and they were giving credit to the creator (as in eps of SGA etc where there are clips from previous eps, they credit the writers of those clips in the end credits).


DT really has mastered the "melancholic yet still thoughtful and insightful" look. After the Face Of Boe spoke... Awesome. Equally amazing was the expression as The Doctor was describing his home planet (Gallifrey, I assume?) for the second time at the end.

Word. He blows me away.

One last thought - what was the idiot BBC1 announcer thinking? The way he introduced the show, saying "don't miss a minute of it, make sure you record Dr Who coming right after the traffic report from [whateverhernamewas]" really threw me. I *do* record the show so I can rewatch it and I missed hitting record straight away because I thought the Beeb were showing a traffic report first and then Dr Who. Pillock!! :mad:

Chaka's_Mum
April 14th, 2007, 01:02 PM
I cried at the end. Not only because of Tennant's amazing portrayal of the pain and loss the Dr feels when he finally talks about his people and his past.. but also because the hymn they played in the background in Abide With Me and that damn song just hits me every time... it was played at my grandad's funeral when I was 11. :(

I know what you mean. It was played at my granddad's funeral when I was 14. To this day it gets me.


Anyway. Damn good episode.. possibly my least favourite of the three so far but still damn good. Felt a bit slower; definitely less action-packed and the bottle-effect of filming most of it in the small confines of the car set made it drag just a little for me. Adored the set piece of the Dr jumping from car to car - wonderful sequence.

Tennant, once again, was fabulous and I thought the Dr's anguish at losing Martha and feeling resposible for her was wonderful. The Face of Bo was great and his secret... wow. Am guessing that's something that's going to be followed up on this season?

It was nice to see the Doctor messing up, too. As he admitted, he was simply showing off to Martha, and ended up putting her at risk as a result. Of course, the majority of his adventures come about because of stuff-ups with the TARDIS - but this time it was entirely down to him.

'You are not alone...'. Hmm. What does this suggest? Presumably there's another timelord out there - but who? Could it be (dot, dot, dot) the Master.

Ooh, yes please. Not that I think we'd be that lucky. Aww. Go on.

Stricken
April 14th, 2007, 01:09 PM
The creatures are from an old school episode which according to RTD has been lost. I got the feeling the Doctor had seen them before..

And apparently its forty years since they were last seen :)


EDIT: The Macra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_monsters_and_aliens#Macra) from the Second Doctor Episode The Macra Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Macra_Terror) ;)

Happenstance
April 14th, 2007, 01:18 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Macra.jpg/220px-Macra.jpg

The Macra race first appeared in 1967 Second Doctor story The Macra Terror.

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 01:21 PM
I know what you mean. It was played at my granddad's funeral when I was 14. To this day it gets me.


Really? Was your grandad in the navy? I remember my grandma asking the vicar for it specifically for that reason...

Did anyone watch Dr Who Confidential? How sweet was David Tennant with that little kitten walking on his shoulder?! Awwwwwwww.....

Stricken
April 14th, 2007, 01:23 PM
Did anyone watch Dr Who Confidential? How sweet was David Tennant with that little kitten walking on his shoulder?! Awwwwwwww.....


I loved that, he wanted to be familar with the kitten before working with it :D

BruTak
April 14th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Right then you lot - the campaign to give Brannigan and his family their own series starts here! Who's with me? :D

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM
I loved that, he wanted to be familar with the kitten before working with it :D

Cute guy trying to bond with sweet, fluffy kitten? *dies from the adorkableness* :D

The Signal
April 14th, 2007, 01:33 PM
Definately the weakest of the three episodes in this season so far, and yet, it had the three best scenes in there as well. The Doctor lying about Gallifrey and the Time Lords, the Face of Bo's last moments, and The Doctor finally talking about what happened. The main plot didn't grab me quite so much, though the writing, acting and directing were great, can't argue with that, but the story, not so much.

I'm loving Martha more and more every week, they've done no wrong with her so far Freema is doing a great job. The Macra, I thought they'd be the long rumoured "Troughton era monster" to appear this year, but wasn't expecting them to be around until much later in the year.

As for David's performance in this episode, there's nothing to really say, all I can say is I was genuinely choked up with his performance in the opening and closing scenes in this one. Amazing.

Were it not for the story not clicking with me, this'd be a 10, but as it stands, it's a 7

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Definately the weakest of the three episodes in this season so far, and yet, it had the three best scenes in there as well. The Doctor lying about Gallifrey and the Time Lords, the Face of Bo's last moments, and The Doctor finally talking about what happened. The main plot didn't grab me quite so much, though the writing, acting and directing were great, can't argue with that, but the story, not so much.

I'm loving Martha more and more every week, they've done no wrong with her so far Freema is doing a great job. The Macra, I thought they'd be the long rumoured "Troughton era monster" to appear this year, but wasn't expecting them to be around until much later in the year.

As for David's performance in this episode, there's nothing to really say, all I can say is I was genuinely choked up with his performance in the opening and closing scenes in this one. Amazing.

Were it not for the story not clicking with me, this'd be a 10, but as it stands, it's a 7

My opinion exactly but much better expressed than I managed! :D Definitely the weakest ep in terms of the overall plot but with some fantastic scenes. David's face and body language were amazing in the scene where he lied about Gallifrey.. knowing the truth as we do, it was painful to watch.

Awesome.

Reefgirl
April 14th, 2007, 02:06 PM
I loved this ep, weak on plot I agree but the acting from DT was excellent, the man can do angst so well.

I agree with whoever said give Brannigan his own show, but then I love Ardal O'Hanlon anyway.

I shed a few tears when they played the hymns, but for me it was The Old Rugged Cross, which was played at my Dad's funeral, I wonder why everyone wept as it was played?

I really enjoyed this episode and it was great to see Novice Haim again, I loved her to bits in New Earth and as for Boe's final words looks like the rumours about the Master's return may be true after all

All in all a good episode, next weeks is looking good too :D

in circles
April 14th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I guess I'm the only one who thought it was a bit rubbish. Giant crab monsters for no apparent reason and the whole city dying and trapping people on the motorway seemed to be from a totally different story.
I spent most of the episode trying to process the thought of a woman giving birth to kittens and the rest imagining the Doctor explain to Branningan the difference between small sheep and ones that were far away.

Missster.Freeman
April 14th, 2007, 03:52 PM
So that was Boe's final four words? It wasn't the big revelation I thought it was going to be. I should've kept out of that speculation thread. Oh well. I wonder if Boe's words were more of a warning for the Doctor to watch his back. I've a feeling the Master will be making an appearance this series.

Anyway. I really enjoyed this week's episode. I felt the scene where the Doctor sat down and opened up to Martha was even more poignant because Abide With Me was playing in the background. Now if it were The Lord's My shepherd playing, I really would've cracked...

Thank you, Reefgirl. I was going to ask what the name of that hymn was. I think in Martha's case it was the effect of everyone singing in unison that reduced her to tears.

beale947
April 14th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Well I will never complain about being stuck in a traffic jam again:P
Its a very hard episode to grade. It had a weak plot, but some of the best scenes, and espically the doctor finally being able to get the loss of his whole race of his chest. But the face of Boe's finally words could have been more shocking. It was sort of expected.

7/10

P.S Daleks next week:D

ShadowMaat
April 14th, 2007, 05:23 PM
I'm assuming that "you are not alone" was a warning. That whole "be careful what you wish for" thing. The Doctor may wish he wasn't the last of his kind... but NOT being the last could prove to be dangerous, particularly if it IS a reference to the Master. :)

It was sad to see the Face of Boe die. I really liked him. As much as it's possible to like an enigmatic face in a jar. ;) He gave his life to save New New York, though. I wonder if we'll ever learn anything more about him or if his only legacy will be his final words.

The plot was kinda fun (and horrifying in terms of the traffic jams) but maybe not very well thought-out. Is NNYC the only city on the planet? And are we meant to believe that people follow the rules so strictly that no one tried to circumvent the injunctions or whatever? And how is it that the bliss patch was ONLY available in the upper city? And it NEVER got to undercity? And how does a patch get airborne anyway? I can see it being sabotage or a terrorist act or something, but accidental?

Of course, with all the insanity in the various eps, it's a bit silly to pick on this one thing, but... I guess that's human nature: confronted by a million impossible things, I'm choosing to object to this one. :D

Anyway, plot strangeness aside, I still liked the ep. Brannigan and his family kicked ass, but while I would LOVE to see him again, I think I've had enough of DW spinoffs for now.

I'm gonna miss Boe. :(

Easter Lily
April 14th, 2007, 06:48 PM
I really, really liked this episode... more than I liked last week's. For some reason, I thought it felt more like a classic Who episode. David Tennant was marvellous... more so than usual.

What an interesting idea... the human race stuck in perptual traffic... It reminded me of the kind of crap we put up with when we don't know any better.
It also reminded me that one of the good things about being a stay-at-home-mother at this point in time is the fact that I don't have to join thousands of people on the motorway every morning.


The Doctor admitting he was showing off... and then describing Gallifrey at the end. They have got to be firsts :D

Those Ikea chairs at the end... :D

Easter Lily
April 14th, 2007, 06:59 PM
Right then you lot - the campaign to give Brannigan and his family their own series starts here! Who's with me? :D

"Enough, no more... 'Tis not as sweet as it was before..."
;)

I did like them though... :)

Willow'sCat
April 14th, 2007, 07:40 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Macra.jpg/220px-Macra.jpg

The Macra race first appeared in 1967 Second Doctor story The Macra Terror.Cool. :p

So "you are not alone" wasn't just fanwank as I thought previously. Maybe someone had the inside edge after all. ;)

Not a great ep but they can't all be.

And really these eps are still about Martha getting to know The Doctor, although from what she was saying you would think they had been together for years. :S

She only met him a few weeks ago, one trip; even time travel aside it takes longer then that to know someone enough to know they will come through for you. It just rang a little hollow having her so confident in him so soon. I understand it was probably more about her needing to have hope but still *hollow* if you ask me. :cool: If it was Rose... ;)

The plot, well it was interesting depending on how much you want to read into these things... refugees (being held up in camps for 5 years is nothing, perpetually waiting for help from an uncaring world), global warming, reliance on drugs to treat what are normal human emotional reactions to life's events... so much lying under the surface of this episode *I think*

Or it could just be about humans being stupid and willing to accept what a voice on a TV screen tells them. :P :rolleyes:

Gallifrey... I don't remember The Doctor being that in awe of his home planet in the past. I guess the extinction of ones home planet will do that to you. Was the grass always red on Gallifrey? I thought much of Gallifrey was barren though? Where did I get that idea from *ponders* :S

I kind of wish I would avoid spoilers, Boa's little message and who that will probably turn out to be, kind of wish I didn't know although I am hoping for a huge twist in the tail maybe a couple of twists.

Next week....
I know many hate the idea but I love them, it just wouldn't be Doctor Who without them. And Martha still has to meet them.

Yay! http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/ironicfox/smilies/288728bf.gif

Congerking
April 14th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Thought the episode was great. DT has slowly taken over the role as my favorite doctor. Thought nobody could pass CE, I thought he was incredible. I think the face of boe's last words were guessed by many, but it was interesting to finally see it come to fruition. Suppose the doctor not being alone is the theme for this season, I bet that Captain Jack (since he is in the later episodes) is going to end up being a time lord.

Alipeeps
April 14th, 2007, 08:23 PM
She only met him a few weeks ago, one trip; even time travel aside it takes longer then that to know someone enough to know they will come through for you. It just rang a little hollow having her so confident in him so soon. I understand it was probably more about her needing to have hope but still *hollow* if you ask me. :cool: If it was Rose... ;)


She met him mere days ago - like three days ago : the events of Smith and Jones took place on one day and it was that same evening (the evening of the family party) that she went with him in the TARDIS. They arrived in Elizabethan London and stayed for 1 night so call that day two... and, from the look of things (the play was performed at night when they banished the Carrionites but it was daylight when they left) stayed for another night after that, making it day three... and when they left they went straight to New New York (the Dr pulled the arrow from the TARDIS door as they exited).

(Makes you realise Martha's been wearing those same clothes for over two days now as well.. are there showers on the TARDIS? ;))

Bear in mind though, in the three days she's known him she's seen him fight scary alien bad guys twice and save firstly an entire hospital of people and secondly the entire world. She's seen him give up his life in order to expose a bad guy and save 1,000 humans. I think it's not unrealistice for her to feel confident that he is the kind of person who would not give up on someone, who would do everything he could to save people.

Willow'sCat
April 14th, 2007, 08:51 PM
Bear in mind though, in the three days she's known him she's seen him fight scary alien bad guys twice and save firstly an entire hospital of people and secondly the entire world. She's seen him give up his life in order to expose a bad guy and save 1,000 humans. I think it's not unrealistice for her to feel confident that he is the kind of person who would not give up on someone, who would do everything he could to save people.
The T.A.R.D.I.S has a toilet (I think Tegan asked him about that) so I assume it has a bathroom it also has a swimming pool and a fountain.

I guess her being young means she is more willing to accept him at face value; for myself, aliens or not I would still be wondering what the frak I was thinking going off with some guy I didn't know and yeah we did get some of that especially around her family (please, please lets not play the family card too much this time around) but for me it was too much too soon.

I did like the bit at the end, her sitting down and making him talk to her. *bloody women, always want to talk*:rolleyes: :p :D

ShadowMaat
April 14th, 2007, 09:22 PM
He can travel through space and time and in the short time she's known him, he's saved her hospital from a vampire plasmavore and the Vogon army, saved the world- and Shakespeare- from a bunch of witches and saved her, personally, at least twice. He's done incredible things, has cool gadgets and knows amazing things, he looks hot, and in case I didn't mention it he travels through space and time. How can you not trust that? ;) He's proven himself to be reliable and, really, what choice does she have? She's all alone on a strange planet in a bizarre situation, she has to trust that the Doctor will come to the rescue. If anything, her very lack of knowledge about him probably reinforces that belief: he's so... what's bigger than worldly? Universal and enigmatic, who knows what he's capable of?

Willow'sCat
April 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM
He can travel through space and time and in the short time she's known him, he's saved her hospital from a vampire plasmavore and the Vogon army, saved the world- and Shakespeare- from a bunch of witches and saved her, personally, at least twice. He's done incredible things, has cool gadgets and knows amazing things, he looks hot, and in case I didn't mention it he travels through space and time. How can you not trust that? ;) Well call me old fashioned but it takes a heck of a lot more then that to impress me! :p

And trust is a tricky thing, I am sure many people have trusted serial killers 'cause they have cool vans and all the latest tech. :eek: :S

Seriously, I did say (or imply) that it seemed like she had her doubts and just from the last moments you could tell she was wanting to trust him even more, but needing to know the truth.

I guess I felt the lines were more a "Rose" thing then a Martha thing, maybe that was the point. RTD wants the audience to love Martha so making her have that kind of faith and trust (like Rose had) is his way of doing it.

And I know in the past may of the female companions have put their trust in him from the get go, but some haven't... I wanted maybe this obviously smart women to show some resistance but instead she is fawning over him, I mean she also talked about their relationship (they dont' have one FCOL) that was kind of sad IMHO.

I do like her but I think the TimeLord!Crush thing has to stop, I think it could belittle her as a strong female character. *shrugs*

Madeleine
April 14th, 2007, 11:24 PM
Probably the most plot-holed ep in years. If I hadn't enjoyed the story and characters I'd probably care about the massive inconsistencies.

Ardal O'Hanlon's cat person was lovely. And the kittens - LOL at the very idea.

For some reason I really liked Martha for how she had this great idea to turn everything off, and then said "I saw it on a film... I wish I could remember what to do next." It just indicates that although she's going to have to rely on the Doctor a lot, she's still going to be as proactive as she can be.

I remember Gallifrey as a rather barren heath (in t5D) but DT made his description of the beautiful parts so convincing and fond that I have no doubt that all the most amazing sights in the universe were once to be found on Gallifrey. (Poor old Doctor. :: sniff, sob ::)

JaneC
April 15th, 2007, 12:23 AM
I realy loved this one. Fantastic to see the FOB again. Was sad that he died. The message was precitable but thats what spoilers do for ya ! Liked Branigan and the kittens. My favourite so far.

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2007, 02:15 AM
Wasn't the barren bit of Gallifrey the 'Death Zone' or something like it from The Five Doctors, I think it was a self contained bit of the planet where the Timelords played with other races for sport, before the days of Rassilon. Appart from that the only bits of Gallifrey I remember is the Council chambers

You're welcome Missster F, I used to sing it a lot in the church choir

Hanmer
April 15th, 2007, 02:39 AM
Best lines of the episode:
"You are not alone"
"Oh, don't die on me now you big old face!" - I thought this one was brilliant!

Im glad the Doctor is finally opening up to Martha and moving on from Rose. Im liking Marthas reactions to the Doctor keep going on about Rose. Its about time he moved on.

=]

pbellosom
April 15th, 2007, 04:19 AM
I really enjoyed that episode despite the huge amount of plot holes. Here's another one: surely when they shut down everything on board the car it would stop flying.

Like most people I guessed the face of Boe's secret. What did happen to the rest of Boe kind though? It can't have just been age because in the long game he was expecting a daughter, she would presumably be younger than him.

BruTak
April 15th, 2007, 04:36 AM
It could've been worse...

Instead of "You are not alone...", it might have been "I am your father... - or "There can be only one...", or (god forbid) "I can see your TARDIS from up here...". :D

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2007, 05:27 AM
It could've been worse...

Instead of "You are not alone...", it might have been "I am your father... - or "There can be only one...", or (god forbid) "I can see your TARDIS from up here...". :D
I was half expecting the "I am you Father" line too

Naonak
April 15th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Another great episode. I thought it was better than Smith and Jones, but not as good as The Shakespeare Code.

I liked the story, and the writing and acting were really good. Special effects were excellent.

David Tennant was fantastic in it.

I'm amazed this galaxy is still going, what with all the "scourges" it's had.

"I've invented a sport!" :D
The kittens thing was sweet. "Ah, that's nice..."

But, if everybody died 24 years except for the people in the motorway, who were all the people outside it? And Brannigan and his family had only been on it for 12 years... :S

BruTak
April 15th, 2007, 06:19 AM
I was half expecting the "I am you Father" line too

Hey, great minds think alike. :)

Alipeeps
April 15th, 2007, 06:24 AM
But, if everybody died 24 years except for the people in the motorway, who were all the people outside it? And Brannigan and his family had only been on it for 12 years... :S

Everybody in the overcity died. Those in the undercity (including the motorway) lived. People were in the undercity before they went to the motorway (remember, "Everyone goes to the motorway in the end"). Over the years, more and more cars have joined the motorway as people decided to leave the undercity... but all the exits are closed so everyone just ends up trapped on the motorway.

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2007, 06:37 AM
I wonder how many people will be singing The Old Rugged Cross on the M25 tomorrow morning :lol:

Elinor
April 15th, 2007, 06:59 AM
Right then you lot - the campaign to give Brannigan and his family their own series starts here! Who's with me? :D

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-002.gif Not sure about having their own series, but I thought Ardal O'Hanlon was fab!!


I've a feeling the Master will be making an appearance this series.



Me too! I hope so anyway!

Wonderfully bizarre episode! S29 has been excellent so far. Good acting and snappy writing...and I'm really liking Martha.

:)

BruTak
April 15th, 2007, 06:59 AM
I wonder how many people will be singing The Old Rugged Cross on the M25 tomorrow morning :lol:

Yeah, I kind of wondered if Sally Calypso was based on the delightful Ms. Sally Boazman from Radio 2? :D

ShadowMaat
April 15th, 2007, 07:12 AM
I can agree with the "Martha sounded like Rose" thing. There were a few times I got confused.

I still don't understand how ONLY the overcity could die. And how it could be EVERYONE practically all at once. But whatever. Cute lil' kitties! :D

BTW, did the fish mobile look Seussian to anyone else? Very One Fish, Two Fish, IMO.

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2007, 08:45 AM
Yeah, I kind of wondered if Sally Calypso was based on the delightful Ms. Sally Boazman from Radio 2? :D
Ahh the wonderful Sally Traffic, it'll be nice to think she was

BruTak
April 15th, 2007, 08:52 AM
Ahh the wonderful Sally Traffic, it'll be nice to think she was

What are the odds that Steve Wright and/or Chris Evans will comment upon it tomorrow afternoon? ;)

Reefgirl
April 15th, 2007, 09:01 AM
I'll have to listen to them when I get to work

Alipeeps
April 15th, 2007, 11:15 AM
I still don't understand how ONLY the overcity could die. And how it could be EVERYONE practically all at once. But whatever. Cute lil' kitties! :D


From what they said, the virus became airborne and spread rapidly.. they managed to seal all the accesses from the overcity to the undercity, thus protecting it.

ShadowMaat
April 15th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Yeah, but THAT rapidly? And no one from overcity tried to escape to undercity? And how could undercity be so completely sealed off as to protect it from an AIRBORNE VIRUS and yet still produce enough oxygen to survive for twenty plus years? No one tried to get out any warnings or anything? The city (or was it planet?) itself has been completely sealed off and yet the people in undercity know nothing about it? No one tried to learn anything? No one wondered? No one tried to do anything?

I know people can be sheep, but it seems to be stretching the point a little far. ;)

Pitry
April 15th, 2007, 01:00 PM
The kittens! The kittens! ahhhhh... ;)

So, now we all know how to really scare Russel T Davies - put him in a traffic jam in the motorway. Honestly, no one who's not traffic-jam-phobic could've written this :D

I dunno about plot holes; in order to have them, you actually need to have a plot. Doctor Who rarely does.... but I'm not complaining. I like it just the way it is. Who needs continuity when we've got lovely cats?
Also, I have to admit that watchign this one with friends has given me quite the shockin insight - I'm usually very cynical about all the Angst! scenes, but watching this with a friend's comments to that extent I realised I don't mind the angst obn Doctor Who. Odd.... Tho I've got to admit RTD really is trying to push the Doctor hard into Angst!land. I loved the Gallifrey bits - you can jsut see the sadness in his eyes when he described it to Martha, even tho he was lying adn pretending it still exists - and him trying to cling hard to that pretending - yup, you never know what you've got til you've lost it... always running away from Gallifrey in the old series, now he just wants to get back. And the bit in the end when he was honest with her - yeah, it was really great - especially considering He did tell he it's the Daleks... and there we got next week! Daleks! Yeah, I want that episode.

And the face of Boe! Poor creature, dying. You've gotta wonder tho, being the last of his kind - are the other creature from his kind the Kidney of Boe, the Toenail of Boe, the Liver of Boe etc? ;)
Ha! And the message. Yup, it realyl starts lookign like a set up for dropping yet another anvil on the Doctor - you're not alone; it's the Master BTW. I really really hope that, it'd be brilliant.

Did I mention the kittens? Ma ma! :D

Edit: and how could I forget, Martha's comment about "have you ever heard the word rebound".... so deserving, I msut say.

Matt G
April 15th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Right.

1. Ah...the Macra, old school Who research has it's uses! ;)

2. Brannigan was good.

3. Er...hello...23 years on a motorway. Surely something has gone wrong.

4. Liked how the Gallifrey references were worked in.

Overall, not a classic by any stretch of the imagination but it had it's moments.

Locutus_Of_Borg
April 15th, 2007, 08:17 PM
So do you reckon we'll somehow find another Time Lord? even though The Doctor says he'd be able to feel them......

docballen
April 16th, 2007, 12:35 AM
So do you reckon we'll somehow find another Time Lord? even though The Doctor says he'd be able to feel them......


"You are not alone" possibilities;

1) Granddaughter Susan

2) The Meddling Monk

3) Omega

4) The Master

5) Leela and Andred's offspring... or Leela

6) Romana

7) The Rani


I would place money on it being The Master. but these are some of the other people with Time Lord connections. Susan was left behind on Earth, and there is a possibility that she might have (somehow) retained TARDIS technology. The Meddling Monk and Omega are, to me, the longest of long-shots, but they are still Time Lords. Romana is still in E-space but who says she can't come back???

And if we find out that Captain Jack ends up being the Master I'll cry my eyes out.

Alipeeps
April 16th, 2007, 01:24 AM
David Tennant said in Dr Who Confidential something along the lines of.. "The Doctor knows that he is the last Timelord. The Face of Boe is not wrong... but neither is the Doctor. The truth lies somewhere inbetween.."

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2007, 01:26 AM
Maybe it's Rassilon, after all he is immortal

firefly827347
April 16th, 2007, 01:35 AM
Really? Was your grandad in the navy? I remember my grandma asking the vicar for it specifically for that reason...

Did anyone watch Dr Who Confidential? How sweet was David Tennant with that little kitten walking on his shoulder?! Awwwwwwww.....

Didn't the Doctor say he wasn't a cat person in last season's ep "Fear Her"? (I think that was it) Rose was looking at the cat that then disappeared and I'm sure he said he didn't like cats...

As for Gridlock, I thought that the giant crabs were completely ridiculous, but I'm glad the Doctor is opening up a bit more about his past. As someone not old enough to have seen any of the other series', all I've heard about his homeworld is what's been mentioned in the new series. I hope they expand on it a bit more, especially since apparently he's not alone. :D *cue eerie music*

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 01:38 AM
Ok, I'm gonna do this in spoilers cos the last time I posted somethign like this, I got my knuckles rapped by Skydiver the Moderator - I am unrepentant, COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

Anyway - if you believe the press, TV Zone and the like then the mysterious Mister Saxon who keeps getting mentioned...
...is really the Master. "MIster Saxon" being an anagram of "Master No. Six".

Fate
April 16th, 2007, 01:42 AM
Right then you lot - the campaign to give Brannigan and his family their own series starts here! Who's with me? :D

Get rid of miss jones and replace her with brannigan instead.

Oh and...

The daleks are soon to change...frankenstien style!

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2007, 03:12 AM
Ok, I'm gonna do this in spoilers cos the last time I posted somethign like this, I got my knuckles rapped by Skydiver the Moderator - I am unrepentant, COMMON KNOWLEDGE!

Anyway - if you believe the press, TV Zone and the like then the mysterious Mister Saxon who keeps getting mentioned...
...is really the Master. "MIster Saxon" being an anagram of "Master No. Six".

I keep getting my knuckles rapped by someone who thinks she's a Mod :D and I'm unrepentant too :lol:

Anyway to the point, the spoiler, yep I can see that

rumour has it that the Master, if he does return, is going to be played by actor of the moment John Simm

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 03:16 AM
So I understand yes.

Thing is though, as a friend pointed out to me...
...Simm's character in Life on Mars - Sam Tyler - is an anagram of (wait for it) "Masterly".

firefly827347
April 16th, 2007, 03:22 AM
^ Your friend has waaay too much free time ;)

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 03:27 AM
^ Your friend has waaay too much free time ;)

Indeed. :D

But I kind of like the idea of Philip Glenister playing the Master. :)

"I am the Master, an' I'm havin' 'oops!"

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2007, 03:51 AM
I was going to say your friend has too much time on his hands :D

Tanduay
April 16th, 2007, 03:58 AM
Very enjoyable episode.

I notice many people liked the kittens, ahhh. Oh oh really?

Brannigan said they were 2 months old, that is when hell on new earth starts. I actually do have five 3 month old kittens plus mum. No doubt about it they are cute when all cuddled up together sleeping, but the thought of being stuck in a small van with them is mind boggling.
The writers obviously do not know how much 6 cats eat and as a consequence how quickly they can fill a stinking litter tray. My god with all that pollution on the motorway you could not breath inside or outside. Then there is the manic running, jumping, climbing and fighting.

I love my cats but if it was a choice between living with them in a tiny van or jumping down to be macra fodder I would jump.

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 04:01 AM
I was going to say your friend has too much time on his hands :D

I'll be sure and pass that along. :D

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2007, 04:23 AM
If it's in a magazine it isn't "common knowledge," no matter how much you want to believe it is. Thanks for remembering spoiler tags this time. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates it.

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 04:26 AM
If it's in a magazine it isn't "common knowledge," no matter how much you want to believe it is. Thanks for remembering spoiler tags this time. I know I'm not the only one who appreciates it.

Ok, fine. No need to beat me about the head with it.:mckay:

Dusk
April 16th, 2007, 04:30 AM
Brilliant! So ambitious and spectacular! I agree that David Tennant is a master of his profession and a great credit to the show. Martha is shaping up well (though she really needs screaming lessons). Love those lesbian grandmas! And the black cat with the two girls... creepy.

A few of you have spoken of a flimsy plot, I hardly noticed, but for one gaping annoyance that also struck me in The End of the World and New Earth, and that is that the year is around 5 billion... that is RIDICULOUS! I've never been to the future, but I can tell you that if the human race survives that long (which it won't) there's not a chance in hell it would be anything like this. All the characters, the designs, the physiology, the language, everything simply is wrong. To me, the year would be more suited to be around 3000, much more credible. But 5 billion? :mckay: Truly, what were they thinking?

On a happier note, we weren't in London! Nor will we be for the next two eps, hoorah!! But after this next appearance of the Daleks.. it should be their last.

ShadowMaat
April 16th, 2007, 04:33 AM
I don't appreciate being laughed at nor do I like the implication that my concerns are imaginary and that y'all are only playing along to humor those imagined few individuals who aren't aware of the "common knowledge."


The writers obviously do not know how much 6 cats eat and as a consequence how quickly they can fill a stinking litter tray.
Well, if the Brannigans have a set-up like Martha's kidnappers then their waste gets recycled as food. So having kittens producing a lot of waste would produce a lot of food. :P

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2007, 05:09 AM
I don't appreciate being laughed at nor do I like the implication that my concerns are imaginary and that y'all are only playing along to humor those imagined few individuals who aren't aware of the "common knowledge."

*Ducks to avoid the flying handbags http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Smileys/f_handbag.gif http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Smileys/f_handbag.gif*

Madeleine
April 16th, 2007, 06:35 AM
Can we drop this please? Skydiver's request for spoiler tags was hardly onerous, and it was certainly reasonable, and since anyone who's been here more than a few weeks must surely have sussed our spoiler policy, there's no need to discuss it.

(But in case anyone's unsure, we have NO "unless you think everyone else knows / unless you think that since you know everyone who matters knows / unless you read it in a magazine with a high circulation" clause in the rules.)

Any questions / comments, they can be asked / made in the Ask the Mods thread or somewhere else that isn't here.

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 06:40 AM
I refer the honorable Mods to my previous post.
Point taken, lesson learned - as far as I'm concerned the matter is at an end.

firefly827347
April 16th, 2007, 07:48 AM
*awkward moment*
Hey! The episode...
Don't think I could've coped being the Brannagans, I'm allergic to cats :o

Major Clanger
April 16th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Gruesome #2 cried because the Face of Boe died

bless her little cotton socks!

BruTak
April 16th, 2007, 12:06 PM
Gruesome #2 cried because the Face of Boe died

bless her little cotton socks!

Awww... :)

Reefgirl
April 16th, 2007, 01:52 PM
Ahhhhhhhh,

I still can't get Alex into Dr Who, not even when there's kittens on screen

IMForeman
April 16th, 2007, 05:08 PM
Over on Outpost Gallifrey it's been pointed out that the car the Doctor passed through with the asian girls had a poster on the wall with the Japanese words for "Bad Wolf" on it.

Gone but not forgotten, eh, Rose?

firefly827347
April 16th, 2007, 05:10 PM
I'm actually surprised Rose has been mentioned so much. I'd have thought they'd want to move on to the new companion. But I'm glad, I really liked the chemistry the Doctor and Rose had :)

Mattathias2.0
April 16th, 2007, 06:05 PM
I rather liked this episode. It started out weak, but ended strong.

This was one of 12 episodes I've been looking forward to (I did not like Love & Monsters, so the next Doctor-lite episode I am not looking forward to).

Matty

Willow'sCat
April 16th, 2007, 06:46 PM
David Tennant said in Dr Who Confidential something along the lines of.. "The Doctor knows that he is the last Timelord. The Face of Boe is not wrong... but neither is the Doctor. The truth lies somewhere inbetween.."Hmm....

More speculation then spoilers but just in case. ;)

The Master is a TimeLord but after that many regenerations, and given the circumstances of the latter ones, (also he's death) can The Master be seen as a fully fledged TimeLord.

Maybe he treads that line of somewhere in-between. ;)



And firefly827347 I think the cat thing in "Fear Her" if it was there (I don't remember) was a throw back to a Classic Who ep, where he encounters "Cat people" er... evil "Cat People" I don't think he liked them much. :p At least I like to think sometimes these comments related to Classic Who. ;)

Locutus_Of_Borg
April 16th, 2007, 09:17 PM
im sure theres a way they can make a Time-Lord come out of nowhere and have some excuse why The Doctor didnt feel in his head or something.......and also what about Time-Lords that survived in another dimention...... always a possibility.

Psyku
April 18th, 2007, 07:55 AM
to me it sounded quite positive when the face of bo said that he was not alone. perhaps it could mean that ramona will return. or some one else. some one new ?
oooh well time will tell.

but then again the doctor did mention the loss of his family and friend.

Commander Ivanova
April 18th, 2007, 10:29 AM
I haven't read back all the way through this thread so don't shoot me if it's already been said.
The doc said he was a dad once, would a Time Lord's child be a Time Lord?

BruTak
April 18th, 2007, 10:33 AM
I haven't read back all the way through this thread so don't shoot me if it's already been said.
The doc said he was a dad once, would a Time Lord's child be a Time Lord?

Well, there's Susan - the First Doctor's Granddaughter. Although there was some speculaton a number of years ago that Susan was really Gallifreyan royalty of some kind, on the run for some reason, and not really a blood relative of the Doctor.

ShadowMaat
April 18th, 2007, 01:31 PM
Was EVERYONE on Gallifrey a Time Lord? I mean, were there Time Lord Janitors and Time Lord Accountants and whatnot? :P The latter is kinda terrifying... lol

Reefgirl
April 18th, 2007, 01:37 PM
According to the anoraks I've met not everyone on Gallifrey was a Timelord, the Timelords went through some kind of transformation while the rest of the gallifreains stayed ordinary, somewhere along the line someone said that the Doctor's father wasn't a TimeLord

docballen
April 19th, 2007, 06:26 PM
According to the anoraks I've met not everyone on Gallifrey was a Timelord, the Timelords went through some kind of transformation while the rest of the gallifreains stayed ordinary, somewhere along the line someone said that the Doctor's father wasn't a TimeLord

There is a Tom Baker episode called "The Invasion of Time" where we go to Gallifrey... and meet non-Time Lord Gallifreyans.

MechaThor
April 22nd, 2007, 07:22 AM
I think the other Time Lord the Face of Bow (he will be missed) was talking about is THE MASTER which exsplains why the Dr looked kinda angry and said the face was wrong.

Also was the Face of bow always a Face? I mean if not he must have been hudge. Unless they floated around like a Cacodemons from DOOM.
Or lived underwater like some kind of Jellyfish or squid?

ShadowMaat
April 22nd, 2007, 07:34 AM
I'm guessing he was a floater; that would explain the head tentacles. ;) I notice at the end he said "It feels good to breathe the air again" or something along those lines, so wherever he's from was probably an oxygen world.

Or given envents in the next ep, maybe... He's an "evolved" Dalek who's gone through a few more upgrades since Manhattan. Wouldn't THAT make for a bizarre twist? LOL!

No, I don't think that possibility is remotely likely, but it's still funny. ;)

Darkstar 2.0
May 10th, 2007, 03:06 AM
Not a bad episode, I kinda liked the whole idea but there a few loose ends that were not fully explained, why did nobody notice that they were trapped......a few years back in the dead heat of the summer a train over here in the UK broke down, now the train was packed out with people and the train staff were less than helpful (Virgin trains lives up to their reputation but that's another story anyhow) hours passed and the train powered down with no aircon and no ventilation to cope with the stifling heat people revolted and kicked open doors and smashed a few windows to escape what was discribed as a baking oven the temperature reached over 120F and that was in the space of a few hours......so why are we to believe that people trapped with nowhere to go would just think "Hmm ok I think i will settle down for the journey and oh maybe have chilldren......yeah right, in times of severe traffic it has been known for people to leave their cars and walk off.....surely there was somewhere to go?

anyhow I rambled on but yeah a good episode and i loved the angst and the message for TFOB, and the cat hybrid people were a great addition and a familiar face.....strange ideas though flaoting around the office in BBC cardif lol......I wonder do they purr like kitties?

Trek_Girl42
July 9th, 2007, 11:10 PM
Looooved Brannigan and the kittens! Cute! And the face of Boe! Not that his message was a huge revelation what with the rampant spoilers and all, but I love the face of Boe and was really glad to see him back. *sniff*

The premise was.....bizarre. But that's what I love about Doctor Who. It was original, and certainly not a recycled storyline or premise from anything I've ever seen, so I can forgive any plotholes on that count. loved him jumping down through all of the cars, and seeing all the weirdos. :P As someone who hates vehicles, I would have gone mad after an hour of being stuck in that. :P

MmmmMcKAy
July 10th, 2007, 04:47 PM
This episode was wonderful. There are so many things to love about it. The Doctor telling Martha about his home planet was very touching. I may have cried a bit:o, but I do that quite easily.

The doctor going through car after car to get to the fast lane was great. I enjoyed all the "car" characters, especially the kittens. Awwwwwww. I'm a cat lover.

Martha seems very invested in The Doctor already. She's determined to break down his defenses and find out what he's all about. And he realizes that he has to give Martha something. Anyway, she's hooked!!!
And The Doctor already cares about her as well.
Love Martha's jealousy of Rose: "You took me to the same planet that you took her to????"

How great was it to see the Face of Boe?? And what does his statement about the Doctor not being alone mean???

Trek_Girl42
July 10th, 2007, 08:08 PM
This episode was wonderful. There are so many things to love about it. The Doctor telling Martha about his home planet was very touching. I may have cried a bit:o, but I do that quite easily.
I teared up as well. :o David Tennant delivered that so perfectly.

gopher65
July 10th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Looooved Brannigan and the kittens! Cute! And the face of Boe! Not that his message was a huge revelation what with the rampant spoilers and all, but I love the face of Boe and was really glad to see him back. *sniff*
What spoilers? I haven't spoiled anything! LIES! ALL LIEEEEES!! LIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSS!

I liked Branigan too:). That prosthetic must be murder to wear though.

Trek_Girl42
July 11th, 2007, 12:23 AM
What spoilers? I haven't spoiled anything! LIES! ALL LIEEEEES!! LIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSS!

I liked Branigan too:). That prosthetic must be murder to wear though.
Ah, but soooo worth it. :D

Alipeeps
July 11th, 2007, 04:08 PM
I teared up as well. :o David Tennant delivered that so perfectly.

I abolutely choked up on first viewing of that scene.. partly because of David Tennant's pitch-perfect, emotional delivery of the lines.. and partly because of the hymn playing in the background which is one that has very melancholy associations for me. In combination.. well, it's probably only that I was watching with my husband that prevent me from blubbing out loud! :lol:

Easter Lily
July 11th, 2007, 04:37 PM
I teared up as well. :o David Tennant delivered that so perfectly.

And some people say that David Tennant lacks Eccleston's gravitas... :mckay:

Trek_Girl42
July 11th, 2007, 04:41 PM
And some people say that David Tennant lacks Eccleston's gravitas... :mckay:
People say that! Let me at em!


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Alipeeps
July 12th, 2007, 01:34 PM
And some people say that David Tennant lacks Eccleston's gravitas... :mckay:

Are you kidding? Who are these people and were they victims of an unfortunate accident or did they choose lobotomisation voluntarily?! ;) :D

Tennant can convey such depths of emotion with even a glance, let alone words, that it never ceases to amaze me. You can *hear* the pain and the loss and the unshed tears in his voice in that scene in Gridlock... as you can at the end of The Christmas Bride where he tells Donna, "Rose. Her name was Rose." and in too many other instances to mention...

Pitry
July 14th, 2007, 08:42 AM
TBH, I was alrady feelign miserable for him in the second scene of the episode, where he talks about Gallifrey to Martha without her knowing it's gone, all misery and mood ruined... sniff.

And yeah, I'll join on with the Tennant's an amazing actor chants ;) He's incredible, honestly one of the ebst actors I've ever seen.

Easter Lily
July 14th, 2007, 02:38 PM
Are you kidding? Who are these people and were they victims of an unfortunate accident or did they choose lobotomisation voluntarily?! ;) :D

Tennant can convey such depths of emotion with even a glance, let alone words, that it never ceases to amaze me. You can *hear* the pain and the loss and the unshed tears in his voice in that scene in Gridlock... as you can at the end of The Christmas Bride where he tells Donna, "Rose. Her name was Rose." and in too many other instances to mention...

Don't worry I'm a converted here. ;) But yeah... I heard so much of that in S2 on a certain large Doctor Who forum that I wanted to throw things at the screen.

DT is an amazing actor... His performance in the season finale... *swoons* The man has a great range, IMO

I adore Gridlock... to me it's probably the most original Doctor Who episode I have seen for a long time. I found it wonderfully moving.

Lightbane
July 15th, 2007, 08:25 AM
This episode quite bored me, but i think it only bored me because i knew that the next episode is Daleks in Manhattan. The kitten babies were rather unusal. People didn't walk outside because well they are flying cars they can't walk outside. and not to mention the fact that the motorway is completly enclosed which was done by the government of New New York to stop the virus from spreading down into the motorway and killing everybody like it did to the rest of the planet. The people wouldn't have figured it out because the exhaust fumes made zero visibility so they wouldn't have seen that they kept looping around the Undercity but 10 miles in 6 years so i don't think anybody would notice. Still a strange episode.

Trek_Girl42
July 15th, 2007, 10:42 AM
This episode quite bored me, but i think it only bored me because i knew that the next episode is Daleks in Manhattan. The kitten babies were rather unusal. People didn't walk outside because well they are flying cars they can't walk outside. and not to mention the fact that the motorway is completly enclosed which was done by the government of New New York to stop the virus from spreading down into the motorway and killing everybody like it did to the rest of the planet. The people wouldn't have figured it out because the exhaust fumes made zero visibility so they wouldn't have seen that they kept looping around the Undercity but 10 miles in 6 years so i don't think anybody would notice. Still a strange episode.
Though one would think that they'd have some sort of GPS to show them that so visibility wouldn't matter. :P /nitpick

MasySyma
July 20th, 2007, 07:30 PM
I liked this episode. Like last week, it isn't an overall powerful episode, but it has moments that more than make up for the slow plot at times.

The Good:

Brannigan and the kittens. I'm not asking how his partner gave birth to kittens either, but they were cute. I wouldn't mind if the show revisits New Earth and company again, but no spinoff please.

All the people of New Earth: Werewolves, Cats, etc. It was nice to see the alien but not alien idea handled well.

Martha: She was quite strong this week. I can understand her trusting the Doctor, but I appreciated that she had an "Oh frell" moment too. I love her level of agency; she is a vast improvement over Rose!

DT: The man can act, and the scenes where he describes Gallifrey were excellent.

The Bad:

The pacing: It was a bit slow. The episode will probably be fine without commercials, and I suppose that it should be slow. We, as the audience, can feel stuck just like the poor folks on the trafficway. :S

Continuity (finale spoilers): I've read ahead. The Face of Boe is Jack, right? I'm not seeing it. :(

Overall, it was a great episode. I'm off to catch it again tonight, and I look forward to the DVD of Season 3! 9/10. :)

ShadowMaat
July 20th, 2007, 07:36 PM
This time I actually heard one of the kittens saying "Mama." LOL! So cute!

Meanwhile the Face of Boe's death was even sadder the second time around. :(

Trek_Girl42
July 20th, 2007, 07:36 PM
I liked this episode. Like last week, it isn't an overall powerful episode, but it has moments that more than make up for the slow plot at times.

The Good:

Brannigan and the kittens. I'm not asking how his partner gave birth to kittens either, but they were cute. I wouldn't mind if the show revisits New Earth and company again, but no spinoff please.

All the people of New Earth: Werewolves, Cats, etc. It was nice to see the alien but not alien idea handled well.

Martha: She was quite strong this week. I can understand her trusting the Doctor, but I appreciated that she had an "Oh frell" moment too. I love her level of agency; she is a vast improvement over Rose!

DT: The man can act, and the scenes where he describes Gallifrey were excellent.

The Bad:

The pacing: It was a bit slow. The episode will probably be fine without commercials, and I suppose that it should be slow. We, as the audience, can feel stuck just like the poor folks on the trafficway. :S

Continuity: I've read ahead. The Face of Boe is Jack, right? I'm not seeing it. :(

Overall, it was a great episode. I'm off to catch it again tonight, and I look forward to the DVD of Season 3! 9/10. :)
Ooooh.....frak. I just read the spoiler tag- could you label it a little more clearly- I assumed it was some sort of continuity issue between this ep and the series two episode New Earth. :S

MasySyma
July 20th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Ooooh.....frak. I just read the spoiler tag- could you label it a little more clearly- I assumed it was some sort of continuity issue between this ep and the series two episode New Earth. :S


Oops. Sorry. All Fixed. :)

docballen
July 20th, 2007, 10:55 PM
I really really enjoyed this episode. It is one of my favorites of DT's session (except-- of course--the season 3-parter.)

I liked the details-- the claustrophobic cars, the self-sufficiency upgrades (which were absolutely necessary), the aliens, the Face of Boe, the kittens, and the background scenery-- everything was excellent and carried a certain "atmosphere" which was good for this episode.

I liked the way David Tennant "lectured" the people selling moods. I'm glad-- for their sakes-- they weren't there when he got back. I liked the way that Martha-- always a Doctor-- ripped the patch off the girl's neck.

I have one little tiny complaint about this episode. I'm going to put it in spoilers because I discuss something from the next two episodes.

When they go to Manhattan, are all of the people speaking with a British accent-- that is except for the Bugs-Bunny voice on Talullah--??? Couldn't they have had one of the American actors-- someone with a tiny speaking part-- do some of the vocals for New New York police, or for that lady at the beginning (gowsh, I don't remember her name...) that greeted everybody???

You are reading this correctly.-->> 12/ 10.

SGalisa
July 22nd, 2007, 09:39 PM
Ardal O'Hanlon's cat person was lovely. And the kittens - LOL at the very idea.

*snicker*
they certainly were adorable... I kept wondering at what age they'd start turning into half human, half cat.

Loved the excellent make-up on the cat people this time, especially Brannigan. :)

docballen
July 22nd, 2007, 11:18 PM
They could make tons of money by making posters of David Tennant as Doctor Who... holding kittens. I'd buy one. Anyone have a screen cap of that???

Trek_Girl42
July 22nd, 2007, 11:20 PM
They could make tons of money by making posters of David Tennant as Doctor Who... holding kittens. I'd buy one. Anyone have a screen cap of that???
I'd completely wallpaper my room.....kittens should be his accessory. :D

CatGoddess
July 30th, 2007, 12:27 PM
I liked this episode too... mainly because of the kittens - yup, I'm a cat person.

The motorway reminds me of some of the highways around here. The Long Island Expressway, which runs from New York City (that's one "New" ;) ) out to the far end of Long Island, is commonly referred to as "the world's longest parking lot". It's become a running joke between my husband and me - whenever one of us is stuck in traffic, we'll say, "I'm on the motorway."

General David Niemi
September 3rd, 2007, 07:03 PM
I liked this episode too... mainly because of the kittens - yup, I'm a cat person.

The motorway reminds me of some of the highways around here. The Long Island Expressway, which runs from New York City (that's one "New" ;) ) out to the far end of Long Island, is commonly referred to as "the world's longest parking lot". It's become a running joke between my husband and me - whenever one of us is stuck in traffic, we'll say, "I'm on the motorway."

I'm a cat person too. But they look kinda odd. :P

Pharaoh Atem
October 5th, 2008, 06:34 AM
pretty cool ep nice twist at the end of the people being trapped in the motorway by the face of boe to keep them alieve

i loved the doctor dropping from car to car

Devid
November 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Yeah this Episode is Cool...Really I love this Episode.

gateship15
November 12th, 2008, 11:59 PM
this is a fantastic episode alto sad because the face of bou dies (sorry if i spelled it wrong) but i found it funny.

Coco Pops
November 22nd, 2008, 11:44 PM
I still love this episode... The Doctor jumping car to car made me think of the game Frogger.


I LOVE the kittens they were so cute.
Poor mum how did she give birth to those, but then again this is Dr. Who so I didn't think too much on that.

Great episode.

gateship15
November 24th, 2008, 01:37 AM
the kittens were cute i like that the doctor invented a sport of jumping from car to car lol

maneth
July 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM
Cool episode, if somewhat odd. But then, I'm getting used to odd with the Doctor. :lol:

Coco Pops
July 10th, 2012, 08:20 PM
the kittens were cute i like that the doctor invented a sport of jumping from car to car lol

That always reminds me of the game Frogger

maneth
August 19th, 2014, 08:16 PM
I still like this episode, it's one of my faves with the 10th Doctor.