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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 05:04 PM
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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 2902</FONT>
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When the Doctor takes Martha on a trip to see an original Shakespeare play, they find that the Bard and his theater are being used for sinister ends by a group of witches.

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Madeleine
April 7th, 2007, 12:29 PM
I liked this lots. They really went to town playng with their anachronisms, and really went to town with their tudor London.

Martha is The Dark Lady, eh? And Will Shakespeare stood on stage quoting JK Rowling :D

in circles
April 7th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Thought it was great. Shakespeare getting all his lines from the Doctor got old after a bit but it was pretty funny. Finally a Back to the Future reference :D

Blitz
April 7th, 2007, 12:58 PM
I liked it :D
twas funny :D

Anubis69
April 7th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Thought it was great. Shakespeare getting all his lines from the Doctor got old after a bit but it was pretty funny. Finally a Back to the Future reference :D
If I were a big fan of Shakespeare i'd probably have found those hilarious. But i'm not. Most went right over my head. I suck so bad!

Still, it was a great episode and that younger witch had a really creepy (and quite sexy if i'm honest. Oh. Just me then?) cackle that I feel is noteworthy. The special effects of the globe were also awesome.

The trailer next week is for New Earth again.... What happened to "one trip" and why the deus is Martha falling for the Doctor already?

Matt G
April 7th, 2007, 03:09 PM
OK...

1. Liked how they worked witchcraft into a scifi setting.

2. Liked the fact that, of course a female like Martha would stand out like a sore thumb in Elizabethan England.

3. "This last line doesn't make any sense" "None of his lines do".

4. And Martha blowing off Shakespeare.

5. So the Doctor is still attached to Rose! In some ways that makes sense, he was in a pretty vulnerable position mentally when he came accross her.

Overall, good ep, probably has the edge on last weeks.

Missster.Freeman
April 7th, 2007, 04:25 PM
It was a good episode, but the background noise was very distracting and spoiled my enjoyment a bit. I could barely make out much of the dialogue throughout the episode. All I got from Shakespeare's speech to defeat the witches was "BLAH BLAH mumble, be gone!" and the Doctor giving thanks to "good old J K!" Eh? Did he mean J K Rowling? Surely her words didn't save the day? I should wear headphones the next time I watch Dr Who. :S

Oh and did the Doctor completely blow off Martha when they were in bed together? I REALLY hope he did because I can't be arsed with all this 'shipper stuff going on between the Doctor and his companion.

Next week's trailer looked very promising and was that who I thought it was at the beginning of the clip?

Willow'sCat
April 7th, 2007, 04:30 PM
"57 Academics just punched the air"


Love it! :D

I really wasn't sure about this one, I admit it was a little twee in places and the HP stuff (although I get it as an in joke) I could do without.

The Rose stuff I could have done without also, what was that line? Something like, she is the reason I fight *groans* Double groan for Martha's TimeLord!cush, do we really need that?

OK so Shakespeare is a genius, but the fawning by The Doctor was a little too much. At least they show him as very human and didn't put him completely on a pedestal.

Positives:

Looked fantastic, some other scifi shows could learn a thing or two about making villages (or towns) this realistic looking, and not one set of overt breasts to be seen. :P I guess The BBC does have the upper hand on period costuming and all that....

The witches (not witches) were cliched but I guess if you have to have a cliche it may as well be this, I do like my witches :D but as usual I was a little lost on the plot. So they were on Earth to destroy it but WHY?

Also it isn't really new info that The Doctor has no name, didn't we hear that in one of McCoy's stories.... *my head hurts* I am sure we have had that said before, it will be interesting to see where they take that (given a certain Doctor Who series preview clip).

Over-all good but not great.

Next week...

Looks fantastic! LOL! So Ardel plays a big cat thing like the Nurses, not sure if that is a step up from Craggy Island or not. :P

Missster.Freeman Were you listening through surround sound or something? I find I have to watch a lot of these shows with mono. I just can't stand being able to hear what the third extra from the right is saying while the main cast are talking! :rolleyes: Mind you, I would assume it would be bloody noisy.

Alipeeps
April 7th, 2007, 06:04 PM
All I got from Shakespeare's speech to defeat the witches was "BLAH BLAH mumble, be gone!" and the Doctor giving thanks to "good old J K!" Eh? Did he mean J K Rowling? Surely her words didn't save the day? I should wear headphones the next time I watch Dr Who. :S

The last word of the speech to defeat the witches (as provided by Martha when Shakespeare got stuck) was "Expeliarmus!" :lol: :lol:

I really enjoyed this episode. Loved the humour in it (how many Shakespeare in-jokes can you fit into one episode? Made me glad of my classical education! :lol:) loved the adventure. I thought the doctor's reactions were very believable.. as RTD said in Dr Who Confidential, the Dr is still mourning Rose and whilst he acts his usual exuberant self when there's action and fun and games going on, in the quieter moments he has a lot to be pensive about. I totally got that from the scene in the inn with him and Martha. Loved that he was so oblivious to her interest there too... Am not sure yet where I stand on the shipperiness... I do kinda like that little thrill to it (after all, I fancy the pants off of David Tennant so why shouldn't she? :lol:) but it also feels somehow a little squicky and I do hope they don't go too much further with it.. long-term it's not going to do any favours to Martha's characterisation as a strong, intelligent woman to have her mooning over him all the time...

Tennant continues to utterly blow me away with his portrayal of the Dr. How anyone can go in a heartbeat to exuberantly eccentric and full of life to utterly serious and solemn with a core of sadness and loneliness. Wow.

Next week's ep looks AMAZING! Can't wait for it...

ShadowMaat
April 7th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Well, Love's labour was definitely won, as far as I'm concerned. ;) Great ep! The "Expelliarmus!" just about dropped me outta my chair. LOL! I can see how parts of it might have bothered some people, but happily I'm not one of them. I'm still in the full bore of squee over the new season and am thus willing to overlook any naggy things. And Martha said the same thing I was thinking: "Doesn't look much like his portrait." hehe

Exactly how many queens is the Doctor planning to piss off? ALL of them? LOL!

Shipperahoy
April 7th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I adored almost every second of that episode. I can still do without Martha crushing on the Doctor but everything else was just about perfect. I had forgotten how brilliant that show is with words and David Tennant just blows me away. It constantly amazes me how he can act so exuberant and childlike and yet at the same time seem like he carries the weight of the world (or would universe be more appropriate?) on his shoulders. I just can't say enough about the dialogue though. I am so glad this show is back.

337
April 7th, 2007, 08:11 PM
Hi, what did the doctor mean by his phrase "57 Academics just punched the air" ?

Is that a reference to something, if so, what?

Vyse
April 7th, 2007, 08:46 PM
Absolutely loved it, great. The Harry Potter bits were just too funny!

Boy, it is nice to see a new Sci-Fi show on now with good writing. (Not counting BSG since it's in hiatus).

Willow'sCat
April 7th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Hi, what did the doctor mean by his phrase "57 Academics just punched the air" ?

Is that a reference to something, if so, what?It is a reference to some in Academia believing that Shakespeare was gay or had a homosexual agenda. ;) I don't see it myself. But I did like the line. It worked on so many different levels for this RTD fan. :D

EDIT: And if you are wondering why he said it... go back and really listen to the line that is said just before hand.

IMForeman
April 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM
The witches (not witches) were cliched but I guess if you have to have a cliche it may as well be this, I do like my witches :D but as usual I was a little lost on the plot. So they were on Earth to destroy it but WHY?



Sure the witches were cliche... but that cliche actually comes from Shakespeare. They are cliched Shakespeare witches.

Willow'sCat
April 7th, 2007, 09:44 PM
Sure the witches were cliche... but that cliche actually comes from Shakespeare. They are cliched Shakespeare witches.Well for me that image is now cliche, and doesn't that mean in Doctor Who Shakespeare had no imagination? If his witches just look like the actual ones. :p

I guess I was looking more for the subtle Witch then this full on cliched one, whether it was cliched then is irrelevant it IS a cliche now, but maybe I am just being pedantic. ;)

Easter Lily
April 7th, 2007, 11:36 PM
Maybe I should watch this episode again... everything moved at such a frenetic pace that I wasn't able to keep pace especially because it's such a talky episode and I'm so tired. Others have mentioned background noises which could have been an issue.
I really wanted to like this episode primarily because it features well, only the greatest writer in the English language ;) but I found myself constantly comparing it to Shakespeare in Love and not necessarily in a good way. I didn't care for the witches as villains of the week (cliched maybe...) although I did like the suave, flirty Will.
It's clever and witty as far as postmodern anachronisms go but lacked an interesting villain.
DT, of course, was wonderful.

Major Clanger
April 8th, 2007, 12:22 AM
totally totally brilliant
loved the HP references, loved the overdone Shakespeare line-exchanges and the Dylan Thomas line had me and my mum rolling around

3 generations of my family watched that, between us we've been watching Who for around 80 years, so it was pretty cool that we all got something out of it

The best bit for me? the 57 academics line was pretty good (as Shakespeare said the line leading to that, I immediately thought "and all the Lady Writers Of Slash just ran to their keyboards")

but for me it was the "Witches" saying they were going to turn the earth into a blasted heath. I really really really wanted the Doctor to go into Scottish mode and refer to the Scottish play, but that would have been overdone.
:D

One thing though - when the Queen showed up, and went into a paddy fit about it being the doctor, were we getting some hint of Tooth & Claw there?

The Signal
April 8th, 2007, 02:18 AM
What wasn't to love in this? The Shakespeare quotes left right and center, the Harry Potter lines ("Wait 'till you read book sever, I cried!") Just a job well done by *runs and checks* Gareth Roberts, give that man a job next season! :D

The witches were, as its been said, cliched, but they are there to explain the cliche, where it came from, and how Shakespeare got his ideas.

Martha, oh move aside Rose, sorry, but after two episodes she has become a much better companion IMO than Rose was. Sure she's got a crush on the Doctor, but I dunno, seems to be a very different sort of attraction to Rose. Anyhow, I think it's her intelligence that gets me, she picks things up almost as fast as the Doctor, without being over the top.

Overall, a brilliant episode, wouldn't change a thing.

Favorite Line: Has to be "Fifty seven academics just punched the air"

TheWarrior
April 8th, 2007, 03:18 AM
One thing though - when the Queen showed up, and went into a paddy fit about it being the doctor, were we getting some hint of Tooth & Claw there?
Don't think the Queen was in a hissy with the Doctor over events in "Tooth and Claw" - the Doctor said at the end he hasn't meet Queen Elizabeth yet so he doesn't know what he's done to annoy her.

Possible future episode maybe ;-)

Naonak
April 8th, 2007, 03:21 AM
One thing though - when the Queen showed up, and went into a paddy fit about it being the doctor, were we getting some hint of Tooth & Claw there?

Don't think the Queen was in a hissy with the Doctor over events in "Tooth and Claw" - the Doctor said at the end he hasn't meet Queen Elizabeth yet so he doesn't know what he's done to annoy her.
Possible future episode maybe ;-)

Uh... Elizabeth I was just a couple of years before Victoria... :rolleyes:

Brilliant episode - probably one of the best of the last couple of years.

Everything about it was great - it was well-written, the witches/Carionites (or however it's spelt) were great bad guys, and Shakespeare was a really good character. I loved the bits with him getting his lines off the Doctor, and coming up with a couple.

The brown suit rules...

I would have thought the Doctor would have a better taste in books than Harry Potter, though...

9.5/10

(And, off-topic, but UKTV Gold are showing old DW omnibuses again! Yay!)

Pitry
April 8th, 2007, 03:26 AM
"Expeliarmus"! Ha!

I was afraid from the previews that it would be Unquiet Dead redux, the setting seemed mightly similar (and, well, it was...) but I'm so glad to have been proven wrong. Loved every second of it - and while I'd have preferred the Marsha shippiness bits weren't there, I actually did enjoy the Rose references. It'd have been mightly annoying had they jsut wiped the slate clean and ignore she ever existed, after going to all the trouble to show how much they care for eachother. And it did balance off with the Martha things just nice (yeah, the bed scene...). I'd rather they didn't go in that direction, but if they arleady choe to, this is the way,

Loevly Shakespeare bits, quoting all around - and the "you can't use that, it's someone else's".... The butterfly conversatino at the beginning was gerat to, aswas the Doctor's philosophy on getting to place, walk like you own the place! ha. And yeah, Back to the Future, Harry Potter (multiple times, I laughed so hard I think the neighbours heard...) and the "57 acacdmic s line".

Yay! Once again.

Scoobing
April 8th, 2007, 04:20 AM
I loved the line that went something like this:

DOCTOR: "We can't tell them what it really was they'll think it's witchcraft"

MARTHA: "What was it then?"

DOCTOR: ".......witchcraft."

:D

Reefgirl
April 8th, 2007, 04:24 AM
I really liked this episode

Loved the cliched Shakespere witches anyone else quote "When shall we three meet again, in Thunder, Lightning or in Rain. When the Hurley-burley's done, when the battle's lost and won" when they saw them

I thought Martha getting the huff with the Doctor when he was going on about how Rose would have said the right thing and how she would have done this, that and the other, there's nothing worse than your new boyfriend banging on about his ex ;) It's perfectly ok for Martha to have a crush on the Doctor, who wouldn't in her situation, good looking man with a time machine sweeps her off her feet and whisks her away from her mid-life-crisis dad and bitter mum, I'd be in like a shot.

Anyway I digress, I thought the youngest witch was great, nice to see that not all witches are old crones. I thought the whole witch-opening-up-vortex-to-bring-back-their-brethrin (or sisterhood) thing was a bit too 'Charmed' for my liking.

Personally I think Martha should have snogged Shakespere, just to annoy the Doctor.

On the whole I'd give it 8/10

Major Clanger
April 8th, 2007, 05:57 AM
what I meant with the Tooth & Claw and Queen thing is... are they building on that suggestion in Tooth & Claw that the monarchy are aliens?
;)

ShadowMaat
April 8th, 2007, 06:14 AM
Snogging someone who has never brushed his teeth in his entire life? Can't say I blame Martha for not doing it, however great the temptation. ;)

As for the witches... their "cliche" appearance didn't bother me at all. We've seen plenty of other "cliche" monsters/aliens already, so why would witches be any different?

If you'd seen a monster and you were writing a story about said monster, would you change its appearance/behavior just to prove how creative you are or would you be more or less faithful to your memories of it? Why change it? The witches made good monsters as is and perhaps it'll also serve as a warning of sorts to others.

Speaking of which (witch?), I wonder if the whole bad luck thing surrounding "the Scottish play" (or saying its name, anyway) has to do with the fact that it has witches in it, or if that's just a coincidence. 'Twould be funny.

Alipeeps
April 8th, 2007, 08:35 AM
what I meant with the Tooth & Claw and Queen thing is... are they building on that suggestion in Tooth & Claw that the monarchy are aliens?
;)

The theory doesn't work though.. the suggestion that the monarchy are part alien comes from Victoria's injury in Tooth & Claw... so only her descendants would be affected. As mentioned above, Queen Elizabeth I came before (a good bit before!) Victoria.

Missster.Freeman
April 8th, 2007, 08:38 AM
Missster.Freeman Were you listening through surround sound or something? I find I have to watch a lot of these shows with mono. I just can't stand being able to hear what the third extra from the right is saying while the main cast are talking! :rolleyes: Mind you, I would assume it would be bloody noisy.Heh. Good guess. I could hear random audience member No. 47 over Shakespeare. :rolleyes: Luckily I taped the episode, so I'll stick the telly on a mono channel when I watch it again.

I definitely got the Back to the Future reference. I was half expecting a throwaway line like: "I was the technical advisor on that film, you know" by the Doctor.

marty2006
April 8th, 2007, 08:41 AM
Luvved the back to the future reference lol

ShadowMaat
April 8th, 2007, 10:03 AM
I had a hard time hearing some of the dialogue, too. Made me wish for closed captioning, but that'll have to wait a while. ;)

Commander Ivanova
April 8th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Missed it, bloomin' inconvenient when work puts me in the wrong country. Least I got to see Unending though *grumble*

Tanduay
April 8th, 2007, 12:55 PM
Wonderful episode. I am lost for words.

My fav bit was shakspear crying out (from memory) "shut you big fat mouths"
ahhhh the imortal bard.

BruTak
April 8th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Am I the only person who got the Marx Brothers reference?

The Doctor introduces Martha as "Lady Martha Jones of Freedonia" (or something like that).

Freedonia is, of course, a mythical forn coutry from Marx Brothers movie "Duck Soup". :D

ShadowMaat
April 8th, 2007, 02:17 PM
I knew I'd heard of it before, but couldn't place it. ;)

Easter Lily
April 8th, 2007, 02:27 PM
Two episodes in, I think I'm going to really like Martha. She's a terrific companion for Ten and I like that she counterbalances her enthusiasm with a level-headed realism. Nice to see her put Will in his place and spurning his advances. That he was reeking with b.o. probably helped.;)

marty2006
April 8th, 2007, 02:40 PM
Lol it was bad breath was it not :P, prob of B.O also however lol

Easter Lily
April 8th, 2007, 02:42 PM
I don't think they worried too much about general personal hygiene in those days. ;)

marty2006
April 8th, 2007, 02:56 PM
lol guess not

Willow'sCat
April 9th, 2007, 01:15 AM
So I am the one person here who thinks HP is over-rated. :p Good to know. :S

BruTak
April 9th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Anyone got any news on how the ratings for Dr. Who look?

Willow'sCat
April 9th, 2007, 02:31 AM
Would they be delayed due to Easter? When were they released last week? :S

EDIT: OPG has it as 6.8 million with an additional 1 million for the BBC3 screening but that does not include the peeps who taped it and will watch it later.

I guess Easter took some ratings away, people doing other things.

Naonak
April 9th, 2007, 03:04 AM
So I am the one person here who thinks HP is over-rated. :p Good to know. :S

Ahem!

I would have thought the Doctor would have a better taste in books than Harry Potter, though...

And I think 'over-rated' is being kind... ;)

Pitry
April 9th, 2007, 04:54 AM
So I am the one person here who thinks HP is over-rated. :p Good to know. :S

Yup! *nods evilly* ;)


Anyone got any news on how the ratings for Dr. Who look?

According to Outpost Gallifrey, between good and very good :)

ShadowMaat
April 9th, 2007, 06:32 AM
I think the HP books fell victim to their own popularity, but I still thought the references in the ep were hilarious. ;)

BruTak
April 9th, 2007, 07:03 AM
I like the HP books, if it get folks (kids and adults) actually sitting down and physically reading a book - then I'm all for it.

HyperCaz
April 9th, 2007, 07:27 AM
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^_^

BruTak
April 9th, 2007, 07:29 AM
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/HyperCaz/avies/esp3.jpg

^_^

Oh very nice! :D Bravo! Bravo!

HyperCaz
April 9th, 2007, 07:36 AM
the spiffy icon also comes in different versions... :D full set:

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BruTak
April 9th, 2007, 07:39 AM
Hmm... Small suggestion? An exclamation mark.

HyperCaz
April 9th, 2007, 07:46 AM
Not for lack of trying *frustrated sigh*

BruTak
April 9th, 2007, 07:53 AM
Oh, ok. They're still pretty darned good. Wish I'd your talent...

Nolamom
April 9th, 2007, 05:07 PM
Such a fun episode. Loved every quote and reference. The Dylan Thomas line - no you can't have that one - had me in whoops. Very enjoyable throughout.

ShadowMaat
April 9th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Well boy oh boy, don't I just feel like the complete idiot right now? I just finished rewatching Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire. You'll never guess who's in it.

No wonder there were HP references in this ep! http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/images/smilies/_doh__by_MisterIngo.gif

Easter Lily
April 9th, 2007, 09:45 PM
Well boy oh boy, don't I just feel like the complete idiot right now? I just finished rewatching Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire. You'll never guess who's in it.

No wonder there were HP references in this ep! http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/images/smilies/_doh__by_MisterIngo.gif

It was the second thing that I saw him in. ;)

Pitry
April 9th, 2007, 10:39 PM
LoL @ Shadow. Actually I saw it before Tennant became the Doctor.... and then I got to rewatch it again a while after series 2 ended.
That was an eek! :)

Chaka's_Mum
April 10th, 2007, 12:15 AM
what I meant with the Tooth & Claw and Queen thing is... are they building on that suggestion in Tooth & Claw that the monarchy are aliens?
;)


The theory doesn't work though.. the suggestion that the monarchy are part alien comes from Victoria's injury in Tooth & Claw... so only her descendants would be affected. As mentioned above, Queen Elizabeth I came before (a good bit before!) Victoria.

It also requires the assumption that the line of the Monarchy has travelled unbroken between the two Queens. Which it hasn't. The Stuarts could just about claim to be related (Mary Queen of Scots had a blood claim which she passed to her son James), but George I of Hanover was 52nd in line to the throne - and the only reason he got it at all was because he was the nearest available protestant; catholics having been disbarred from the throne by the terms of the Act of Settlement in 1701. It seems highly unlikely that he had any meaningful genetic links to the Tudors.

OK, I admit it. I don't actually know this off the top of my head - I've got www.royal.gov.uk open in a separate browser...

I enjoyed this episode - though I found some of it just a bit cliche'd - what with Elizabeth I shouting 'off with his head!!!!' like that. Right out of Alice in Wonderland, that was. Don't know what the Doctor has done to get her to come storming out of her palace and into a mucky theatre like that but it must have been pretty spectacular. More please!

Nice HP references - glad I sat through 'Goblet of Fire' on a plane last year now to see the relevance; though it wasn't strictly necessary as they stood quite nicely on their own given the 'witchcraft' vibe. Also liked the 'that's a good line - I might use it' stuff, in a naff, 'that's a bit silly' kind of way.

Fantastic that they were allowed to use the Globe for filming, too - it looked brilliant. All in all, I enjoyed this one - even with that silly Alice in Wonderland quote at the end from Queen Elizabeth.

Tanduay
April 10th, 2007, 12:28 AM
Now we know why all that money was spent to rebuild the Globe theatre:cameron:

I agree that anyone who writes anything that gets people reading is good. Far too many people, adults as well as children read for pleasure or just to know more stuff. It amazes me how many people say the last book they read was at school.

I read the first 3 HP books but just could not work up the enthusiasm to read the others. Many other fine books out there, besides, I think I will wait for the 7th book.

Willow'sCat
April 10th, 2007, 02:16 AM
Well boy oh boy, don't I just feel like the complete idiot right now? I just finished rewatching Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire. You'll never guess who's in it.

No wonder there were HP references in this ep! http://www.freethought-forum.com/forum/images/smilies/_doh__by_MisterIngo.gifThat's what I meant by "in joke". :P

And I haven't even seen the movie, but yeah even I knew that! :D

BruTak
April 10th, 2007, 05:13 AM
Yeah, I saw "Goblet of Fire" at the cinema, and when a certain person came on screen - "Oh look, David Tennant. Ooh, nice leather trenchcoat!" :)

Alipeeps
April 10th, 2007, 05:37 AM
Bear in mind though that pretty much any British actor of note has by now been involved to some extent in a Harry Potter film! :lol: These things are like a who's who of RADA alumni! :D

BruTak
April 10th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Tom Baker should've played Dumbledore. :D

Pitry
April 10th, 2007, 05:51 AM
Bear in mind though that pretty much any British actor of note has by now been involved to some extent in a Harry Potter film! :lol: These things are like a who's who of RADA alumni! :D

They're teh black hole of British actors - a bit like Stargate and science fiction actors :)

Nolamom
April 10th, 2007, 03:19 PM
DT was great in Goblet...even though he truly only had a few scenes. It was one of the earlier things I saw him in too.

ShadowMaat
April 10th, 2007, 07:15 PM
I need to stop compartmentalizing things and do more cross-referencing so this kinda thing stops happening. Knowing DT is in Goblet of Fire and knowing that he's in Doctor Who should connect up somewhere in the labyrinthine mess that is my brain. :P

Major Clanger
April 12th, 2007, 04:54 AM
well... he was also Cassenova if that helps
:P

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2007, 05:32 AM
well... he was also Cassenova if that helps
:P

:P It helps until they make a Casanova reference on the show. Then I'll be all "Ha, that was a funny joke." and you'll all be "Yeah, especially since HE WAS CASANOVA!!!" and I'll be all "D'oh!!" ;)

But I won't be bovvered. :D

Reefgirl
April 12th, 2007, 05:52 AM
:P It helps until they make a Casanova reference on the show. Then I'll be all "Ha, that was a funny joke." and you'll all be "Yeah, especially since HE WAS CASANOVA!!!" and I'll be all "D'oh!!" ;)

But I won't be bovvered. :D
They've already done it
In the Christmas Invasion when the Dr was looking for his outfit, he picked up and held Casanova's jacket to him.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Thunk/DrWhoCI.jpg

ShadowMaat
April 12th, 2007, 06:56 AM
I rest my case. :P

Although in my defence, I haven't seen the movie, so I have no idea what he was wearing in it. Although I still probably wouldn't have caught it. lol

Pitry
April 12th, 2007, 12:34 PM
They've already done it
In the Christmas Invasion when the Dr was looking for his outfit, he picked up and held Casanova's jacket to him.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m274/Reefgirl3/Thunk/DrWhoCI.jpg

Oy...!
For my defence, I've only seen about 5 minutes of Casanova. ;)

BruTak
April 12th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Oy...!
For my defence, I've only seen about 5 minutes of Casanova. ;)

I've not seen any of Casanova, and I still got the gag with the coat in "Christmas Invasion".

The Doctor picks up the coat, looks critically at it, goes "Naah" and puts it down again.

Major Clanger
April 12th, 2007, 11:49 PM
I hadn't seen any of Casenova

but I think I might have to if he's going to wear that jacket!

Trek_Girl42
June 25th, 2007, 08:34 PM
Looooved beyond loved the ep! *sigh* Wonder what the doctor was referring to when he said he cried reading book seven..... :S :P And I loved Expelliarmous! I thought I had gotten Harry Potter anticipation off my mind for an hour, but..... ;) Loved "57 academics just punched the air" too- bet I missed a bunch of jokes though, must re-watch after finishing Lit. :P The sets were fantastic and I thought the cliched witches were great except for the part at the beginning where my Dad had to join in with the cackling and ruin it all.

*sigh* definitely one of my favourite eps- I wonder if I'm going to keep saying this and they all become favourites? That would be nice. :D

MmmmMcKAy
June 26th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Another enjoyable Doctor Who episode(there isn't one that I don't at least like). Frenetic pace again and it was a very heavy dialogue episode.
Love how Shakespeare was very open to the "modern woman".
The Doctor sure is up on his Shakespeare, isn't he? And he loves Harry Potter too.:)

Only thing that bugged me was the witches' shreiking towards the end. It got on my nerves and it was hard to hear the dialogue.

I guess Martha's got a bit of a crush on The Doctor. I guess that's understandable with the whole time travel, smartness thing he has going on. Plus he's cute.;)

ShadowMaat
June 26th, 2007, 04:55 PM
Only thing that bugged me was the witches' shreiking towards the end. It got on my nerves and it was hard to hear the dialogue.
Yeah, I can't wait to close caption that puppy so I can figure out what was being said. :P

angelfire east
June 27th, 2007, 02:51 PM
I just started watching this show, I watched the odd episode with Tenth and Rose but it didn't really hook me. But Martha and Tenth did:D The past two episodes have been a blust. I love that she has a crush on him and he can't see it at all lol

Love the line about HP, who did DT play in Goblet of Fire? I saw the movie but at the tiem I didn't know who DT was so... now it's driving me crazy lol

Trek_Girl42
June 27th, 2007, 03:40 PM
I just started watching this show, I watched the odd episode with Tenth and Rose but it didn't really hook me. But Martha and Tenth did:D The past two episodes have been a blust. I love that she has a crush on him and he can't see it at all lol

Love the line about HP, who did DT play in Goblet of Fire? I saw the movie but at the tiem I didn't know who DT was so... now it's driving me crazy lol
He played Barty Crouch Jr.- it's been so long since I saw that movie that I've kind of forgotten it, so I'm borrowing it this week to re-watch. :D

angelfire east
June 27th, 2007, 07:13 PM
He played Barty Crouch Jr.- it's been so long since I saw that movie that I've kind of forgotten it, so I'm borrowing it this week to re-watch. :D

Cool:D thanks for telling me. I finally found the movie and rewatched his scenes:D Man he was brilliant in the movie:D I wish they had goen witht he longer verison of the characters scenes from the book so I could've saw more of him.

Trek_Girl42
June 27th, 2007, 07:24 PM
Cool:D thanks for telling me. I finally found the movie and rewatched his scenes:D Man he was brilliant in the movie:D I wish they had goen witht he longer verison of the characters scenes from the book so I could've saw more of him.
Shame he's not a continuing character throughout the films. I keep thinking that he'd have made a good Lupin. He's skinny enough. :P And actually almost exactly as I've always imagined Lupin.

ShadowMaat
June 27th, 2007, 07:55 PM
Ahhh, but if he was busy doing Harry Potter movies he might not be available for Doctor Who.

Which would you choose? :P

Trek_Girl42
June 27th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Ahhh, but if he was busy doing Harry Potter movies he might not be available for Doctor Who.

Which would you choose? :P
Ooh, yes, good point. :D :P

MasySyma
July 14th, 2007, 08:41 AM
A wonderful lovely episode!

It was simple yet amazing all the same.

The Good:

The Shakespeare references were well done and funny, and even the Harry Potter references worked well. (Although I don't really seem them working well in 20 years when Harry Potter is off the cultural radar.)

I loved the line about "57 academics."

The plot, the villians, Martha, the writing, DT, all of it was wonderful.

A 10/10.

docballen
July 14th, 2007, 01:42 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It's not my all-time favorite, but good.

"Your breath don't half stink"-- OMG that was priceless!!!

This is just a side comment. I was a little... concerned... that the baddies in this episode were "Witches". I mean, it was excellent that they had power, and that we never truly saw the science that was involved... but as someone who is truly pagan, I'm not looking forward to answering the question "are you evil like those old ugly hags on Doctor Who?" (I know that true Doctor Who fans wouldn't ask that question... they understand that The Carrionites are aliens and nothing like real-life witches... but there are a lot of ignorant people out there...)

I'm not gonna protest Doctor Who or anything like that. I'd give this episode 8/10. I guess I just need to speak to the others I worship with to see how they took it.

ShadowMaat
July 14th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Well, the way I look at it is that the ignorant will be ignorant no matter what- they don't need the Carrionites as an excuse to hate/fear witchcraft or paganism or whatever. I'm tempted to say those sort of people wouldn't be watching Doctor Who anyway, but even if they are... *shrug* Like I said, I don't think it'd make much difference either way. Folks are very good at finding things to be ignorant about. ;)

Lightbane
July 15th, 2007, 07:14 AM
If those sorts of people didn't like Witchcraft and thought it was evil then they wouldn't be watching Doctor Who because they'd think its evil.

This was another rather strange episode. i thought the classical sterotyped witches were cool though. The broomsticks just really added to the effect. Especially when the doctor closed the portal.

Flyboy
July 15th, 2007, 11:54 AM
I really enjoyed this episode. It's not my all-time favorite, but good.

"Your breath don't half stink"-- OMG that was priceless!!!

This is just a side comment. I was a little... concerned... that the baddies in this episode were "Witches". I mean, it was excellent that they had power, and that we never truly saw the science that was involved... but as someone who is truly pagan, I'm not looking forward to answering the question "are you evil like those old ugly hags on Doctor Who?" (I know that true Doctor Who fans wouldn't ask that question... they understand that The Carrionites are aliens and nothing like real-life witches... but there are a lot of ignorant people out there...)

I'm not gonna protest Doctor Who or anything like that. I'd give this episode 8/10. I guess I just need to speak to the others I worship with to see how they took it.
I respect paganism a great deal. Paganism and Budhism are the two faiths I respect most in the world. But, and I apologise for offence caused, I think it's silly for anyone to get upset about witches being portrayed as evil in the ep. Wicked Witches is a story device that has been used for centuries, and Shakespeare loved writing about them. I don't see the issue. Wicked Witches are a narrative device, they always will be, they're entertaining. Let's not forget though, that there's always the White Witch to counteract the Wicked Witch...

MasySyma
July 17th, 2007, 06:59 PM
This is just a side comment. I was a little... concerned... that the baddies in this episode were "Witches". I mean, it was excellent that they had power, and that we never truly saw the science that was involved... but as someone who is truly pagan, I'm not looking forward to answering the question "are you evil like those old ugly hags on Doctor Who?" (I know that true Doctor Who fans wouldn't ask that question... they understand that The Carrionites are aliens and nothing like real-life witches... but there are a lot of ignorant people out there...)



Interesting. I guess that I didn't see the witches that way at all. I took them as a reference to Macbeth, similar to all of the Hamlet, A Winter's Tale, and Henry V comments. If anything, the witches may have represented the late 14th century view of witchcraft, but I'm not sure that the writers were aiming at anyone in the modern audience.

Easter Lily
July 17th, 2007, 07:29 PM
Interesting. I guess that I didn't see the witches that way at all. I took them as a reference to Macbeth, similar to all of the Hamlet, A Winter's Tale, and Henry V comments. If anything, the witches may have represented the late 14th century view of witchcraft, but I'm not sure that the writers were aiming at anyone in the modern audience.

I'm with you there... They are so obviously caricatures.

Alipeeps
July 18th, 2007, 04:37 AM
I'm with you there... They are so obviously caricatures.

If anything they were caricatures of caricatures.. with the suggestion being that the stereotypical caricature of a witch that we know from Shakespeare was in fact based on the Carrionites.

AvatarIII
July 18th, 2007, 08:05 AM
has it been addressed in this thread why queen elizabeth said that the doctor was her enemy?

Alipeeps
July 18th, 2007, 08:37 AM
has it been addressed in this thread why queen elizabeth said that the doctor was her enemy?

I don't think we know. The Dr said in the episode that he hadn't met her yet - the intimation being that he meets her at some point in his own future timeline (but obviously on a trip back to a time before the events of The Shakespeare Code).

Trek_Girl42
July 18th, 2007, 09:41 AM
I don't think we know. The Dr said in the episode that he hadn't met her yet - the intimation being that he meets her at some point in his own future timeline (but obviously on a trip back to a time before the events of The Shakespeare Code).
Really hope we get to see that next season. :D

Alipeeps
July 18th, 2007, 09:55 AM
Really hope we get to see that next season. :D

That would be awesome! :D

maneth
July 8th, 2012, 09:57 PM
Awesome episode! Loved the references to Harry Potter, and I suspect I missed most of the Shakespeare ones. I really should borrow my dad's complete Shakespeare plays book.

I adored the HP references, especially Expelliarmus. I bet JKR got a smile out of that! I also hope that HP won't be completely forgotten in the next 20 years. That's when those who grew up with HP will be old enough to have children old enough to introduce the books to. Although I do hope Twilight will be forgotten by then, but that's another thread! :lol: