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VSHARMA
March 25th, 2007, 08:53 AM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

BeckettRulez
March 25th, 2007, 09:33 AM
As long as it is not to disgusting (meaning: you have to close your eyes and wait until it's over), I'm fine with it. As you already said, the other shows are a lot darker than Atlantis, so the normal audience is already used to it.

For the younger viewers it's bad but Atlantis is aired in the evening (at least in Germany) so that the possible very young viewers cannot watch the show unless the parents allow them to.
Plus, it's sci-fi which means that some strange and darker things are often included;-)

kymeric
March 25th, 2007, 10:17 AM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.

Trust me when I say that unless youre AMISH or BLIND youve seen worse than this on tv by the time youre 5. Complaining about a common accurance and fact of life is a little naieve imho. Theres nickelodeon and qvc for the faint hearted, the rest of the world will just have to grow a pair and keep up with the rest of us.

jenks
March 25th, 2007, 10:31 AM
Trust me when I say that unless youre AMISH or BLIND youve seen worse than this on tv by the time youre 5. Complaining about a common accurance and fact of life is a little naieve imho. Theres nickelodeon and qvc for the faint hearted, the rest of the world will just have to grow a pair and keep up with the rest of us.

How sad.

Mitchell82
March 25th, 2007, 10:50 AM
How sad.

Yeah but he is right. Some stuff out there is pretty awful.

J_B
March 25th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.

It's obviously considered acceptable because it was in the Drone's face mask. No blood came out, which is like everything in else in SG when somebody gets shot to sh#t. Therefore no blood = no gore.

If he had been shot & blood burst everywhere, then it probably wouldn't have been allowed.

However they've always marketed Atlantis as being darker than SG-1, so personally don't see a problem with it. In truth, I still even think it's a little less dark as a series. I'd probably consider it more campy than anything else. Written for boys by bigger boays. Which is how they put in stuff like Vagina monologue, or the constant busty bimbos & wenches.

I'd love to see them do an 18 rated uncut version released on a special edition DVD where there is gore galore! Somebody gets shot with a big ass gun & the insides spill out & all the rest. To me that would be cool!

vaberella
March 25th, 2007, 11:25 AM
SGA reminds me of the A-Team, lots of fire arm but no one gets hurt. A-Team was packing heat and spreading the love but the aim was all off. When ever I see a wraith go down, it's the same... No blood, no guts---then all is good in the world.

parisindy
March 25th, 2007, 12:15 PM
i like the darker side of stargate, i think no matter what it is or when its on, if you are worried about what you're kids are watching, try and do your best to monitor it. I know its impossible all the time, but even talk to your kids about it, explain its not real, and why people shouldn't do that in real life etc.

almost all shows have a parental warnings on them on our local 'space;' channel

KindlyKeller
March 25th, 2007, 01:56 PM
There's an SG-1 episode that I won't identify in the latter half of S10 where someone gets shot and it seemed quite graphic compared to their usual. I for one am all for it. Atlantis in particular needs to go darker. Season 1 was really, really dark at times, but Season 2 and somewhat Season 3 have really taken the foot off the gas.

I've really enjoyed these past two seasons a lot, but unfortunately, they lost what was a totally awesome "tone" for the show in Season 1.

Willow'sCat
March 25th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I think there is dark as in psychological mind games and then there is the crap that most American TV shows think is dark, such as the blood and guts, no consequences for actions, and the attitude of "heck they are just the evil enemy it is just fine and dandy to torcher them!" :cool:

This is why I hated the opener's to season 3. It is not find and bloody dandy to do what they did imho. :cool: It was immoral. But hey I am just a viewer what do I know. :rolleyes:

Mitchell82
March 25th, 2007, 06:50 PM
There's an SG-1 episode that I won't identify in the latter half of S10 where someone gets shot and it seemed quite graphic compared to their usual. I for one am all for it. Atlantis in particular needs to go darker. Season 1 was really, really dark at times, but Season 2 and somewhat Season 3 have really taken the foot off the gas.

I've really enjoyed these past two seasons a lot, but unfortunately, they lost what was a totally awesome "tone" for the show in Season 1.

Talking about Talion? Also I think While I love season 2 asm much as the rest it wasnt as dark till the end, season 3 IMO has been much darker and season 4 even more so. I do think though if some are concerned by some eps then just don't watch it around your kids.

garhkal
March 25th, 2007, 09:33 PM
Trust me when I say that unless youre AMISH or BLIND youve seen worse than this on tv by the time youre 5. Complaining about a common accurance and fact of life is a little naieve imho. Theres nickelodeon and qvc for the faint hearted, the rest of the world will just have to grow a pair and keep up with the rest of us.

That;s not even counting the cop shows, where there are full on autopsies.. or history/learning channels where they show medevil fights...
Or just the plain old news, reporting on the lastest suicide/roadside bombing..

VSHARMA
March 25th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Trust me when I say that unless youre AMISH or BLIND youve seen worse than this on tv by the time youre 5. Complaining about a common accurance and fact of life is a little naieve imho. Theres nickelodeon and qvc for the faint hearted, the rest of the world will just have to grow a pair and keep up with the rest of us.

Idiot. I'm not complaining. I want to see more of it. Where does it say on my post that I disagree with the Violence?

I say bring back on more of this violent behaviour and gore.

Atlantis1
March 26th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I expect it to be easier to watch then the nightly news.

I staying as positive as possible.

RepliHawk
March 26th, 2007, 12:06 PM
I say bring back on more of this violent behaviour and gore.

Yeah!!!

Mitchell82
March 26th, 2007, 05:09 PM
Idiot. I'm not complaining. I want to see more of it. Where does it say on my post that I disagree with the Violence?

I say bring back on more of this violent behaviour and gore.

Mmmm blood and guts my favorite!:D

kymeric
March 27th, 2007, 09:57 AM
How sad.

Kids have to become desentized to it or else after the next 9/11 they willl all just give up, sit down and cry instead of join the army and kill piles upon piles of ppl.

Not showing ure kids violent television is UNamerican!

kymeric
March 27th, 2007, 10:00 AM
Idiot. I'm not complaining. I want to see more of it. Where does it say on my post that I disagree with the Violence?

I say bring back on more of this violent behaviour and gore.

Probably should have said 'people who complain about..." instead

geewillie86
March 27th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Atlantis isn't a kids show. Much of the recorded history in the Stargate continuity contains violent (and I use the term lightly) combat situations that, along with being meaningless or confusing to young children, aren't particularly "good" for them to view.

Gore-wise, the show is highly benign, yet acceptably plausible. I don't think that it should be tuned down, and I do think that a dark ep now and then is enjoyable.

The way I see it, why "dumb-down" what passes for "gore" for viewers that really won't get anything out of the show anyway. There are acceptable alternatives for family programming, and there's always bedtime for the children of TV-Y weary adults.

Easter Lily
March 27th, 2007, 03:11 PM
I think the question about violence in Atlantis is an interesting one. To me, when I say a show is dark... it is more a question of morality rather than violence. Although, at times they do intersect. Violence for the sake of violence doesn't interest me but violence within a context of an intriguing story can add to the viewing experience. The Matrix, for instance, used violence to explore ideas of the nature of reality. HK cinema often use violence to show how far different characters have degenerated morally. Unfortunately/Fortunately ;) for me, I grew up on martial arts films and westerns so blood and gore is not something I fret over.

As I get older, I tend to go for darker shows... only because they often explore morality and grey areas in interesting ways. These shows also tend to be the ones that make people think and push certain boundaries. BSG is a dark show but not as violent as one might expect. Nothing probably beats anime for both violence and moral dubiousness. By comparison, I don't think Atlantis is especially violent but at times it's quite dark. Eps like Sateda and Common Ground in particular.

I suppose the make up of the Wraith is such that they are almost unstoppable. I guess the point they're trying to make is that a lot of damage needs to done before they are, as it were, put out of commission.
As a parent of small children, the issue of television violence is always at the back of one's mind. I think most parents know their children and know what their children are capable of. There was a similar discussion on another forum that I belong to about "exposing" children to life's harsh realities. My older girl, can handle Doctor Who, Spiderman or Batman but my niece gets the heebie jeebies just from watching a G rated cartoon show like Veggie Tales. In such instances, parents need to be discerning.

Skydiver
March 27th, 2007, 06:34 PM
The title of this thread has been tweaked to more accurately reflect the topic, which is violence in Atlantis.

I remind folks to KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC

which means you cannot take others to task for believing something or saying something. Debate the topic, not your fellow poster. And if you can't do that, i suggest you find another thread to play in.

CYBEREAGLE19
March 27th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I didnt mind it, theres been allot worse, could have been nudity like in the SG-1 premere,

panikin
March 27th, 2007, 07:56 PM
Personally, I think violence and darkness is great for science fiction. After all, Battlestar Galactica has various extremes of both and I absolutely adore that show. But I think Atlantis should be careful of how far they go into that violence/darkness thing. Too much of a good thing may just end up being a bad thing, after all.

garhkal
March 27th, 2007, 09:29 PM
I would love to see some more of Ronon slicing and dicing baddies with his sword. Also some minor 'bleeding things'. Like those troops who train with teyla showing an occasional broken arm, nose etc..

jenks
March 28th, 2007, 05:11 AM
I didnt mind it, theres been allot worse, could have been nudity like in the SG-1 premere,

Do you think nudity is worse than violence?

VSHARMA
March 28th, 2007, 05:36 AM
Probably should have said 'people who complain about..." instead

ohhhhhhhhh

Smo
March 28th, 2007, 06:04 AM
Do you think nudity is worse than violence?
I think it was sarcasm there ...i hope...:D
when u think on it u'll see that in many cases showing woman's nipple is bad! bad! BAD! when at the same time showing ppl shot in face is normal...many films and shows are like that.

hyzmarca
March 28th, 2007, 06:22 AM
I pretty sure that Heroes has sucessfully broken the prime-time gore barrier. If a broadcast show can have a girl wake up in an autopsy room with her chest explicitly opened up with her internal organs about to be removed, Atlantis can have blood and bits of grey matter fly out of a wraith's skull is it is repeatedly shot in the face.

Mitchell82
March 28th, 2007, 08:47 AM
I didnt mind it, theres been allot worse, could have been nudity like in the SG-1 premere,

Yeah and that was done only because Showtime demanded it. TPTB and producers fought constantly with Showtime b/c they wanted nudity and coarse language in every ep. Still I don't think the violance or sensuality is that bad in Atlantis. BSG pushes the barrier a hell of alot more.

chilapox3
March 28th, 2007, 11:55 AM
I think that people make way to big of a deal about voilence and nudity on t.v
What is really funny though, is that apparently sex and nudity is WAY more immoral than violence.

I think that they should portray violent scenes somewhat realistically. not have someone get shot a million times and have no blood, and not have someone painting the wall with blood when they get shot.

And sex should not be avoided at all costs, but it also shouldn't turn into a porno or something.

I think that what they are doing now as far as violence and sex goes is fine.
I also like how they kind of worry about morality when killing wraith and stuff, but they don't spend half of every episode thinking about moral issues.

I don't watch a show just to see people think about the morality of their actions.

garhkal
March 28th, 2007, 10:17 PM
I think it was sarcasm there ...i hope...:D
when u think on it u'll see that in many cases showing woman's nipple is bad! bad! BAD! when at the same time showing ppl shot in face is normal...many films and shows are like that.

In some ways yes... I have seen a film rated R just cause it had a pair of bear brests, while another film of the same type had multiple decapitations/people getting cut up, and was only a PG 13..

Atlantis Angel
March 29th, 2007, 02:13 AM
I don't have anything against violence in movies or television shows, it adds a lot of drama and action for the viewers. I prefer a lot of physiological thrillers, where the darkness of a show or movie is what gets you, not so much as the blood and gore of the scenes. I must say that I have enjoyed the darker episodes of Atlantis, but I wouldn't want the whole series to go dark as it would then overplay it and may ruin the more lighter-hearted fun episodes.

As for children, most shows have a rating. It is then up to you or the parents on whether the show is right for a young child to see. Most children these days are desensitized to violence but as long as the child understands that the violence they see on television isn't real and shouldn't ever be done in real life, then what is the harm?

As for nudity in shows and violence, I see more low rated shows showing a woman's breats more so then gorey action scenes. Seeing a woman naked in shows these days is becoming the norm, where as violence is still rated higher. At least, in my experience.

Ravroz
March 30th, 2007, 10:58 AM
I agree with what someone said earlier they should bring back a little more of the original violence of the show. They also need a little nudity in the show... Sorry guy speaking here.....

Drizzt Do'Urden
March 30th, 2007, 11:07 AM
1)Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
2)Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

1) depends on who is being shot for example if it's a wraith or something that's about to kill someone sure but not if it's just for the sake of violence it has to portray a point

2) no! mainly because a lot of times it just looks so fake when blood starts ''gushing out" on tv and in movie

mcbarr
March 30th, 2007, 11:37 AM
I agree with what someone said earlier they should bring back a little more of the original violence of the show. They also need a little nudity in the show... Sorry guy speaking here.....

If the violence and the nudity fit the storyline, I wouldn't mind either.

kymeric
March 30th, 2007, 12:41 PM
If anything there needs to be MORE violence! Ppl cutting other ppl with really sharp swords. Some eye gouging, some intestine eating, and i wanna see a severed hand crawl around in the dirt again!!!!!!

Peoples_General
March 30th, 2007, 03:04 PM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.


Compare that to Children of the Gods pt. 1 & 2, where Apophis and crew comes in Staffs blasting and pwnz the infantry units guarding the game. Those military guys had blood pouring from everywhere. Then when a Jaffa had a staff blast going through his body at point blank range, with some insides flying out.

SG-25CSAR
March 30th, 2007, 03:29 PM
I started watching Stargate when I was 13 years old. My parents saw some episodes and really didn't care. They are the kind of parents that will kill you for getting detention and stuff like that. The point is that the way I was brought up was simple.

No shows with Nudity or sex- Why? Over exposer leads to perversion, perversion leads to abscission over sex, that leads to "slut" like life style and possibly sexual predator.
No Shows with senseless violence- its just stupid
No shows with ridicules cursing- religious reasons.

Stargate does not have any of those, I only saw the Sci fi broadcast version of the pilot.

So as long as there is a point to it, raise the volume of the violence. And no nudity, if you want to see someone naked, by a porn channel or something.

to sum it all up in a few words



Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No. yes
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or NoNo, that sounds a little unrealistic.

Mitchell82
March 30th, 2007, 06:24 PM
If the violence and the nudity fit the storyline, I wouldn't mind either.

Agreed. In the pilot it made sense b/c Apophis wanted to see for himself what his queen would look like and wanted to judge for himself though Vaitiare Bandera was the only one who consented to be shown on screen. If it fits fine but nudity is really a moot point untill cable is allowed to show full nudity.

garhkal
March 30th, 2007, 11:05 PM
I agree with what someone said earlier they should bring back a little more of the original violence of the show. They also need a little nudity in the show... Sorry guy speaking here.....

In some way i do agree, a little nudity would imo go a long way... say a 'long shot' at a wraith who just ripped some lass's shirt off (showing tits) just as he plunges his hand into the chest to feed... then pulling away back to the heroes as they 'draw down'.

Platschu
March 31st, 2007, 12:43 AM
Violence in Atlantis? I think they had to go to the dark side. LOST, BSG, Heroes, 24 have much scarrier scenes than Atlantis. I don't say I like it because I am peaceful soul, but the whole series can't pink (for example : they collect flowers together with the Wraith on the hills, everybody love everybody etc.). ;)

huntress
March 31st, 2007, 12:56 AM
Violence in Atlantis? o_O You must be kidding me. Have you seen other prime time and even earlier evening shows? SGA has for me a "6" rating and most of the time even "0". Really. Basically every other series I watch has more gore and violence then SGA

expendable_crewman
March 31st, 2007, 01:35 AM
Atlantis is dark in theme. It has shocked me, but not with shots to the head. That doesn't faze me. I like it better when something makes me use my imagination. For instance, I got a bigger "whoa" out of season one's The Eye when fifty or so people hit the shield. "Thunk, thunk .... thunk ... thunk, thunk, thunk."

While reading the thread I tried to think of incidents where Atlantis has gone over the top, and I can't really. I hated when it was in its 10:00 PM time slot, because where I'm from the slot implies complexities involving violence and nudity, etc., and Atlantis isn't there.

The storylines should on occassion be monitored by parents, if for no other reason than to discuss. Misbegotten comes to mind. Some of the stories can be scary for small children.

I keep getting the feeling Atlantis will get darker. Okay. But I like the show dark, and I don't mind gritty and I don't mind gray.

If I could change one thing about the violent aspects of the show, I'd let the regular characters show their bumps and bruises a bit longer. Some of the stuff they do and go through is toxic.

MrMckayCan, I know what you mean about that SG1 ep. I felt it. And the payback was no prettier. In fact the whole ep was dark.

Bogwoppit
March 31st, 2007, 02:15 AM
I don't think I'd like it if it became as dark as, say, BSG, but I think I like the fact that it is slightly more... I won't say realistic but... gritty(?) than SG1. Then again, as has been said in this thread, SG1 was originally more gritty I think. I don't know really, but I do like the overall feel of the show, with the mix of violence and comedy. And to be honest, having two young children myself, I don't hesitate to allow them to watch it, not having seen some of the things so-called children's TV shows!

Going off-topic slightly, and again, looking at it from a parent's pov, I watched a couple of season nine SG1s with my kids the other day, and was more uncomfortable with the mentions of sex in it than the violence. I can't say I've noticed that in Atlantis, so I think on the whole it is more suitable for a younger audience. On the other hand, I know neither show is specifically targeted at children so it's my choice what to allow my kids to watch.

What I'm trying to say in a very roundabout way (:P) is that I would prefer more violence to more sex on the show personally, but I'm quite happy with the level of both that they show.

EarthandBeyond
March 31st, 2007, 05:54 AM
Well its easy to make a show or a movie that is full of violence and sexsual scene. Because both of thouse aspects are part of human nature. So its naturely for watchers to be drown to them.
But to make a show as SG-1, where wrighters focus on other, more importent things. Now that my friends, shows the reall skills of actors and wrighters.

kymeric
March 31st, 2007, 07:20 AM
Lets all be honest here. We all love violence. We all love sex.
More sex and violence plz.

expendable_crewman
March 31st, 2007, 01:25 PM
Well its easy to make a show or a movie that is full of violence and sexsual scene. Because both of thouse aspects are part of human nature. So its naturely for watchers to be drown to them.
But to make a show as SG-1, where wrighters focus on other, more importent things. Now that my friends, shows the reall skills of actors and wrighters.I'm trying to remember a seminar I had to listen to about violence. Something about the survival imperative in us being compelled to watch (violence) when we are not ourselves in any danger. It's oversimplifying it if I say we're actually taking mental notes, but in a broad sense when we watch the stuff, whether we're watching a playground brawl or a TV show, we are at some level looking for a connection and storing the images.

So for Atlantis, now I know if I'm ever pushed through a Stargte with the eighth chevron engaged, or I get on board a ship called the Daedalus and end up in another galaxy, lol, I should go for head shots when firing at gray-skinned aliens who have slits on their hands.

ToasterOnFire
March 31st, 2007, 06:47 PM
I don't think Atlantis is all that violent or dark. I'd rather see smart and complex stories than gratuitous violent and sex anyday.

Ravroz
March 31st, 2007, 07:22 PM
While I do like complex story lines I also prefer a little violence and some stuff getting blown up. That just adds to the story all the more.

Atlantis1
March 31st, 2007, 09:16 PM
Lets all be honest here. We all love violence. We all love sex.
More sex and violence plz.

Talk for yourself please. Some of us have past which color the way we see things. In my case, sex. Won't go into details.

Good writing can be done without too much violence and no sex. I don't see where the latter truly has a place in SGA. I'd rather they concentrate on the other more important aspects of the series. Characterizaton, Atlantis, the Wraith.

VSHARMA
April 1st, 2007, 10:44 AM
I agree with what someone said earlier they should bring back a little more of the original violence of the show. They also need a little nudity in the show... Sorry guy speaking here.....

No Nudity. I watch SGA with my Family!!!!!

BSG is bad enough.

clwaurie
April 1st, 2007, 11:45 AM
The show wouldn't be harmed if they made it a bit more gorey, however I really don't think a show about aliens needs sex.

VSHARMA
April 2nd, 2007, 11:49 AM
The show wouldn't be harmed if they made it a bit more gorey, however I really don't think a show about aliens needs sex.

Especially Alien Sex:)

kymeric
April 2nd, 2007, 01:06 PM
Talk for yourself please. Some of us have past which color the way we see things. In my case, sex. Won't go into details.

Good writing can be done without too much violence and no sex. I don't see where the latter truly has a place in SGA. I'd rather they concentrate on the other more important aspects of the series. Characterizaton, Atlantis, the Wraith.

You do realize the bulk of all entertainment is violence and sex right? I wont belittle your experiences and i expect we have more in common than you think. But if you scroll through the movie and tv listings they will be one of the following: a) violence b) sex c) violence AND sex

This is never going to change

SG-25CSAR
April 2nd, 2007, 06:12 PM
You do realize the bulk of all entertainment is violence and sex right? I wont belittle your experiences and i expect we have more in common than you think. But if you scroll through the movie and tv listings they will be one of the following: a) violence b) sex c) violence AND sex

This is never going to change

Your a sci fi fan, right?
Well, the fact that you are here points to it. So lets see

Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
Dr. who, enough said.

and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

Atlantis doesn't need the sex

And I hear that there is a genre that is devoted to sex for anyone out there that enjoys such things. Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

Mitchell82
April 2nd, 2007, 06:49 PM
Your a sci fi fan, right?
Well, the fact that you are here points to it. So lets see

Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
Dr. who, enough said.

and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

Atlantis doesn't need the sex
And I hear that there is a genre that is devoted to sex for anyone out there that enjoys such things. Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

I tried my best to overlook that in BSG as I did enjoy it at first but that part of it got very, very old real fast. It was alot closer to nudity than NYPD BLUE ever got. Look at the pilot and you can see number 6's breasts just not the nipples. I agree with everything you have said as ST as well as stargate (both shows) have done very well without sex. They have innuendos, and kissing from time to time and lead up to the actual act of sex but then leave the rest to us. I would be fine with it if they add a little more action but IMO gratuitous violence and sex has no place in SG.

PG15
April 2nd, 2007, 07:46 PM
Star Trek had sex...and I'm not just talking about Kirk. :p

Mitchell82
April 2nd, 2007, 07:48 PM
Star Trek had sex...and I'm not just talking about Kirk. :p

Yeah but tactfully like I mentioned unlike bsg.

VSHARMA
April 3rd, 2007, 12:30 AM
You do realize the bulk of all entertainment is violence and sex right? : a) violence b) sex c) violence AND sex

This is never going to change

If I want to see Sex, I watch a Porno. I really don't need any in SGA.

hardi
April 3rd, 2007, 03:16 AM
Americans and Sex... I (and most other Europeans) will never understand your problem (WOW, you can see breasts, but not the nipples... so what?)

PG15
April 3rd, 2007, 01:41 PM
If I want to see Sex, I watch a Porno. I really don't need any in SGA.


What's with you people and false dichotomies?

Atlanis
April 3rd, 2007, 01:58 PM
The violance we see on the show is just a realistic view of milatary life and life it's self and life can been be pretty vilolant I am aposed to the taking of life in any shape or form but when its nessary to defended one self its nessary too, most people around prefear the olive branch but when it's nessary it's time to sharpen the olive branch into a point of a spear

VSHARMA
April 3rd, 2007, 02:29 PM
What's with you people and false dichotomies?

You People?

Mitchell82
April 3rd, 2007, 02:33 PM
Americans and Sex... I (and most other Europeans) will never understand your problem (WOW, you can see breasts, but not the nipples... so what?)

Well IMO it's unecessary. It's getting more and more out of hand IMO.

PG15
April 3rd, 2007, 03:11 PM
You People?

Yes; you and those who indulge in false dichotomies.

Why, what did you think I meant?

VSHARMA
April 4th, 2007, 03:07 AM
Yes; you and those who indulge in false dichotomies.

Why, what did you think I meant?

Think I meant?????

Mister Oragahn
April 4th, 2007, 04:27 AM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.

Though I'm huge fan of the new BSG, the problem doesn't lie in the violence, in order to bring realism and credibility, though Common Ground was an incredible episode.
There are things in war which are expected, after all. You can reference them without showing them.

The thing is, the real problem is that I can easily live without that level of violence in Stargate as a daily basis (though a few episodes shold remind us of the context), but the issue is with credibility, as how the characters are protrayed.

In BSG, you could have a much lighter show, like a spin-off, where humans live well and all, and it would still be good, because it's all about writing good characters... that feel like everyone.

Ok, main characters are kind of heroes, and sometimes have the Main Character Luck (aka character shield), but they have credible flaws and behave like humans.

They don't pretend to be in front of a camera to impress an audience.
And there we go back into that SGA rant, but it's quite an example itself.

I don't think younger audiences have to be treated like brainless twits.

I don't think characters have to painted as ludicrously as they get painted in SGA. The writing is horrible and some characters are just completely unbelievable.

They're just comic books bags of clichés. That sucks, and it's incredible that TPTB still think it was the right choice, for more than two seasons (first season of SGA was quite good, and it was in fact one of the best starting seasons I've seen besides DS9, BSG75 and Farscape).

Later on, these kids will rewatch their show, and they'll realize just how bonkers it was.

See, when I was younger, the animes I was used to watch weren't kidding on the serious stuff. People were dying, plots were written from a more mature point of view.

The problem is that people may think darkness is what brings quality to BSG, but no. Though it's not cheating with what's happening, and for once, it's nice to see humans be smacked for their arrogance, the point is that again and again, good characters is what makes a good show.

It's actually incredible that we heard TPTB say that, and yet they failed at it so many times.

So, to conclude, I don't necessarily need more violence. I would prefer a thousand times episodes of the vein of Poisoning the Well, Scorched Earth, Torment of Tantalus and Childhood's End than Sateda or The Hive with extra gore and sadism.

jenks
April 4th, 2007, 04:28 AM
Makes sense to me...

nowvoyager908
April 4th, 2007, 01:53 PM
I'll have to agree with those posters who feel that more violence does not equal darker. To me, darker means dealing with issues that have moral ambiguity. No clear cut black and white. No tying up all the loose ends nice and neat by the end of the episode. Forcing characters to make the hard choices, even when it goes against everything they believe, and then facing the consequences, good or bad.

The problem with SGA becoming darker is that so much of the show is wrapped up in the McShep snark. You can't have two of your stars doing a comedy routine when the world is on the brink. How the SGA brain trust deals with that, and how the fans react, will be interesting to say the least.

kymeric
April 4th, 2007, 02:14 PM
Point by point

: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!

: Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
And died a horribly death because it was no longer relevant to todays world

: Dr. who, enough said.
Whats that? Some kinda british thing or something :-p

: and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

I dont watch it because its boring! 1/5 episodes i enjoy, the rest is talking heads and political interpersonal stuff that i could get on cnn

: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D

: And I hear that there is a genre that is devoted to sex for anyone out there that enjoys such things.

Way ahead of u on that market

: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

The first time i saw Amanda Tapping on tv was the xfiles where she was BLEEPing the heck out of AD Skinner. Made me a fan.

: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate

jenks
April 4th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Point by point

: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!

But no sex.


: and I don't watch BSG for the kissing and crawling on each other that the characters do.

I dont watch it because its boring! 1/5 episodes i enjoy, the rest is talking heads and political interpersonal stuff that i could get on cnn

You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.



: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D

Push up bra? I doubt it!


: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

Acknowledging sex is going on isn't the same as wasting screen time on cheap kicks.


: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate


Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

kymeric
April 4th, 2007, 03:50 PM
: You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.

Meh, high speed chases and explosions, maybe some cheap sex and some violent alien torture scenes, this is entertainment, not a live discussion of the politics of something not involving the above.

: Push up bra? I doubt it!

Looked like that to me, especially in the return part one, not that im complaining

: Acknowledging sex is going on isn't the same as wasting screen time on cheap kicks.

Everyone that CAN have sex WILL, leaving out the fundamental purpose of life (besides eating and crapping) is just absurd

: Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

Nah, IRL they need constant attention or theyll die. And they talk about stuff i dont care about persistantly. And living with me costs me 3 times as much as living alone. Ill take a dvd i can click off TYVM

jenks
April 4th, 2007, 04:19 PM
: You don't find talking heads interesting? I'd say they're the best thing in any TV or movies, everything else is cheap.

Meh, high speed chases and explosions, maybe some cheap sex and some violent alien torture scenes, this is entertainment, not a live discussion of the politics of something not involving the above.

Different things entertain different people then I suppose, personally I'd rather watch something clever and well thought out as opposed to something that has just had alot of money thrown at it.


Everyone that CAN have sex WILL, leaving out the fundamental purpose of life (besides eating and crapping) is just absurd

Not sure I understand your reasoning, if leaving out eating and crapping is OK then why not sex? I'd say the reason to leave it out is that it takes up time that could be used better.


: Why? There are better places to get it, RL being the best.

Nah, IRL they need constant attention or theyll die. And they talk about stuff i dont care about persistantly. And living with me costs me 3 times as much as living alone. Ill take a dvd i can click off TYVM

You only need to pick up some bird from a club, send her home when you're finished!

kymeric
April 4th, 2007, 04:29 PM
: Different things entertain different people then I suppose, personally I'd rather watch something clever and well thought out as opposed to something that has just had alot of money thrown at it.

Compared to.... saturday morning cartoons? A broadway play? Old Buck Rogers episodes? Documentary on medeval europe? Whats the criteria for well thought out? Atlantis in its violent glory is well thought out, and i think could benefit from more gore and some sex.

: Not sure I understand your reasoning, if leaving out eating and crapping is OK then why not sex? I'd say the reason to leave it out is that it takes up time that could be used better.

Except weve seen the characters eating a few times, and theres even been a few toilet jokes (long trip in jumper) Behold the trifecta!

: You only need to pick up some bird from a club, send her home when you're finished!

Heh, ole love em and leave em!

Mitchell82
April 4th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Point by point

[QUOTE]: Stargate did pretty well without the sex.
First episode....... the VERY FIRST EPISODE had unnecessary nudity in it. The we had the virus that made everyone feral and jack and same made out in a locker room. And let us not forget Ernest!! something for the older fans there!
It wasnt unnecesary. Apophis wanted to see his queen in all her glory so IMO it made sense. Any nudity after that would have been unneceasry.


: Star trek went on 40 years with no sex.
And died a horribly death because it was no longer relevant to todays world
I disagree. Enterprise was not that great of a ST show but I found it silly to state that any show relevant to todays world needs sex/nudity.

: Dr. who, enough said.
Whats that? Some kinda british thing or something :-p
Dr. Who is a british scifi show now airing in the states.

: Atlantis doesn't need the sex

Tell Teylas push up bra and consistantly open shirt in season 3 :-D
Thats not nudity or sex it is just the way alot of women dress. Totally different.

: Sci Fi like Stargate really doesn't fit with sex. It has this thing about it that makes you trust it to be friendly enough for anyone to watch. That, and the producers don't like the Idea.

Except that its had sex from its very beginning. Everyone everywhere has sex, even nerds. Its a fact of life and naieve to dismiss it, and its still there in the show no matter how much u cover ure eyes with ure handz

The first time i saw Amanda Tapping on tv was the xfiles where she was BLEEPing the heck out of AD Skinner. Made me a fan.
Inuendo and letting fans now in a polite way that they are about to do the deed is better than fall out showing it.

: And about your last sentence, when it mentions sexual content it really doesn't mean that you'll see the act or the "tools" necessary for the act of sex(breasts included). So looking at ratings like that is unfair.

They never show much more that butts or chests even on cable. Ever see the enterprise where Hoshi got some love on risa? Thats what im looking for from stargate
I don't think it's necesary. They can show to people kissing and falling on the bed and then panning back. No need to show everything.

Atlantis1
April 5th, 2007, 04:02 PM
You do realize the bulk of all entertainment is violence and sex right? I wont belittle your experiences and i expect we have more in common than you think. But if you scroll through the movie and tv listings they will be one of the following: a) violence b) sex c) violence AND sex

This is never going to change

Which is why I watch very little tv.

Stargate: Atlantis
Raines
Last of the Summer Wine

Atlantis1
April 5th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Star Trek had sex...and I'm not just talking about Kirk. :p

Are you thinking of the tribbles? ;)

Mitchell82
April 5th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Which is why I watch very little tv.

Stargate: Atlantis
Raines
Last of the Summer Wine

*sigh* I know exactly what you mean.

bluealien
April 5th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Not a fan of over the top violence at all and would rather have sexy scenes anyday. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people show skin, breast, butts whatever. I don't want to watch full on sex scenes on anyshow and we don't have to worry about that ever happening on SGA. But kissing, showing skin or mild sexual scenes don't bother me at all. BSG over does them to the degree of annoyance. Practically every scene with Baltar has Six chewing on his face. But it wasn't just those type of scenes that put me off BSG - didn't really like the characters or the storyline. Way too dark and depressing for me.

I enjoy gritty realistic stories but heavy violence turns me off a show. Atlantis hasn't really been heavy on violence so far and I'm happy with that. Has raised some moral dilemmas though where I have not always sided with the writers but it makes interesting viewing.

Mitchell82
April 6th, 2007, 09:30 AM
Not a fan of over the top violence at all and would rather have sexy scenes anyday. I don't have a problem at all with seeing people show skin, breast, butts whatever. I don't want to watch full on sex scenes on anyshow and we don't have to worry about that ever happening on SGA. But kissing, showing skin or mild sexual scenes don't bother me at all. BSG over does them to the degree of annoyance. Practically every scene with Baltar has Six chewing on his face. But it wasn't just those type of scenes that put me off BSG - didn't really like the characters or the storyline. Way too dark and depressing for me.

I enjoy gritty realistic stories but heavy violence turns me off a show. Atlantis hasn't really been heavy on violence so far and I'm happy with that. Has raised some moral dilemmas though where I have not always sided with the writers but it makes interesting viewing.

I agree. I don't mind that type of sexual inuendo. A little skin is fine but full on sex is unecessary as well as gratuitous violence.

expendable_crewman
April 14th, 2007, 02:11 AM
I agree. I don't mind that type of sexual inuendo. A little skin is fine but full on sex is unecessary as well as gratuitous violence.LOL.

Okay, now, for some reason this comment just made me picture certain BSG scenes on an Atlantis episode. I fell out of my chair.

Can you imagine a "Baltar/6" moment in some science lab or the quarters of some character in Atlantis? I'd need oxygen! And then I'd rewatch, of course, to make sure it wasn't a hallucination ...

Stargate does innuendo. Fixing the hair. Straightening the clothes. Kissing. Looks. Every now and then the aliens say something poetic to other characters in the guise of being more open emotionally than the Earther regulars.

Here's a question for anybody. Can the PTBs, or have the PTBs ever steamed up the windows, and I mean steamed them up, in Stargate? By steam, I mean with two people who are actually in the same room!

Mitchell82
April 14th, 2007, 01:42 PM
LOL.

Okay, now, for some reason this comment just made me picture certain BSG scenes on an Atlantis episode. I fell out of my chair.

Can you imagine a "Baltar/6" moment in some science lab or the quarters of some character in Atlantis? I'd need oxygen! And then I'd rewatch, of course, to make sure it wasn't a hallucination ...

Stargate does innuendo. Fixing the hair. Straightening the clothes. Kissing. Looks. Every now and then the aliens say something poetic to other characters in the guise of being more open emotionally than the Earther regulars.

Here's a question for anybody. Can the PTBs, or have the PTBs ever steamed up the windows, and I mean steamed them up, in Stargate? By steam, I mean with two people who are actually in the same room!

Thats exactly what I don't want. As to you last statement as far asa I remember the best they do is start the process, ie kissing and touching and mabey a shirt hitting the floor and agressive making out then they leave the rest to us. Key examples would be, Chimera, and Unending.

expendable_crewman
April 16th, 2007, 08:51 AM
Thats exactly what I don't want. As to you last statement as far asa I remember the best they do is start the process, ie kissing and touching and mabey a shirt hitting the floor and agressive making out then they leave the rest to us. Key examples would be, Chimera, and Unending.You know what? I just realized that I loved Unending ...
... for the emotional rendering in the Daniel /Vala sequence, which was way more compelling than the kiss, etc.. When I rewatch, I pay much more attention to the dialogue, so ...
I'm going to have to agree with you here. Green for you. (oops, I need to spread it around some more first.)

ARMS
April 16th, 2007, 08:59 AM
I like realism.

jenks
April 16th, 2007, 09:10 AM
Then you picked the wrong show :p

SG-25CSAR
April 16th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Then you picked the wrong show :p

you picked the wrong genre

Mitchell82
April 18th, 2007, 02:10 PM
You know what? I just realized that I loved Unending ...
... for the emotional rendering in the Daniel /Vala sequence, which was way more compelling than the kiss, etc.. When I rewatch, I pay much more attention to the dialogue, so ...
I'm going to have to agree with you here. Green for you. (oops, I need to spread it around some more first.)

Drat no green oh well.;)

Lauriel
April 18th, 2007, 06:10 PM
I'm not opposed to either sex or violence, as long as they are suited to the show/scene/storyline and are not there extraneously. Inserting graphic sexual or violent scenes just for it's own sake does nothing for me. For example, I loved the torture/feeding scenes in CG, because they were necessary. If you threw in a sex scene, would it make that episode better? No - because it would be completely out of context. Some shows excel with graphic scenes because it is well suited to the storyline and ambiance they are trying to achieve, and BSG would be a good example here. IMO, for SGA to start increasing the graphic nature of it's episodes would do more harm than good.

As far as the show getting darker, I would love to see this, but my idea of the show being darker is more psychological and moral/ethical complexity, more intensity in the character driven aspects of the storyline, and more subtlety in the storyarcs, especially where the villians are concerned. I fail to see how simply adding in more gore or nudity constitutes as either entertaining or dark.

Metonic
April 18th, 2007, 08:37 PM
I saw ‘Rising Pt1 & Pt2’ a few days ago.

Atlantis is a Sci-Fi show that is for mixed ages. Old and Young.

When I saw ‘Rising’ a few days ago, I noticed that Ford put a Buttet in one of the Wraiths face point blank range. (with blood gusting out)

I understand that as it was a Pilot Episode, the episode had to be quite high budgit, action packed and generally fills us with the SG universe but does anyone else think that this short of violence should be bought to session 4 which I have been told will be allot darker than the previous sessions.

I personally think that viewing rating will not decrease if you put in this ‘darkness’.
Just look at how popular BattleStar is and that is quite a Dark show.

Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis

Mods Feel free to add a Poll.


I'm gonna say...

spoilers for unending
We watch an entire race commit suicide
We watch teal'c stab men.
Ofcourse we haven't seen to many point blank headshots, but theres been a few headshots.

Mitchell82
April 19th, 2007, 08:55 AM
I'm not opposed to either sex or violence, as long as they are suited to the show/scene/storyline and are not there extraneously. Inserting graphic sexual or violent scenes just for it's own sake does nothing for me. For example, I loved the torture/feeding scenes in CG, because they were necessary. If you threw in a sex scene, would it make that episode better? No - because it would be completely out of context. Some shows excel with graphic scenes because it is well suited to the storyline and ambiance they are trying to achieve, and BSG would be a good example here. IMO, for SGA to start increasing the graphic nature of it's episodes would do more harm than good.

As far as the show getting darker, I would love to see this, but my idea of the show being darker is more psychological and moral/ethical complexity, more intensity in the character driven aspects of the storyline, and more subtlety in the storyarcs, especially where the villians are concerned. I fail to see how simply adding in more gore or nudity constitutes as either entertaining or dark.

Agreed. If it makes sense and doesnt detract from the show fine but most of the time shows that have graphic violence or intense sexual situations are just there to be there. It's the main reason I stopped watching BSG. It would do more harm than good IMO as well.

expendable_crewman
April 21st, 2007, 11:28 PM
I'm gonna say...

spoilers for unending
We watch an entire race commit suicide
I still haven't gotten my mind around that.

Come to think of it, Company of Theives might have exceeded my expectations too on violent Stargate.
Emerson wasn't shot so much as executed, and then the guy who did it stands over him after he falls to put two extra rounds in him. I think we saw blood too. Also, look at how the bad guy gets *his* in the end. Yowza.
Now has Atlantis done something like that yet? I don't think so. Hey, maybe I'm not ready for it! For that to work in drama, you need a recurring character the audience likes. Season Four:
If we're supposed to get ready for a darker season next season, I wonder if stuff like that will happen in the Atlantis universe next season.
The thing in Company of Thieves was brutal. I'm still shaken.

Mitchell82
April 22nd, 2007, 08:42 AM
I still haven't gotten my mind around that.

Come to think of it, Company of Theives might have exceeded my expectations too on violent Stargate.
Emerson wasn't shot so much as executed, and then the guy who did it stands over him after he falls to put two extra rounds in him. I think we saw blood too. Also, look at how the bad guy gets *his* in the end. Yowza.
Now has Atlantis done something like that yet? I don't think so. Hey, maybe I'm not ready for it! For that to work in drama, you need a recurring character the audience likes. Season Four:
If we're supposed to get ready for a darker season next season, I wonder if stuff like that will happen in the Atlantis universe next season.
The thing in Company of Thieves was brutal. I'm still shaken.

When Talion airs it will pass the bar on violence.

expendable_crewman
April 22nd, 2007, 05:00 PM
When Talion airs it will pass the bar on violence.Good point. And now Atlantis is going darker. May need to watch next season with a seat belt on, lol.

Mitchell82
April 22nd, 2007, 06:17 PM
Good point. And now Atlantis is going darker. May need to watch next season with a seat belt on, lol.

LOL we might indeed, though I am wuite fond of it going darker.

The Dude
April 23rd, 2007, 01:23 AM
Simply questions.

Bullet in Face O.K – Yes or No.
Bullet in Face with Blood Gusting out – Yes or No

Would you like to see a more darker Atlantis like we saw in ‘Rising’ and ‘The Storm’ more

In SG-1 we never saw a Goa'uld get a bullet in the Head. I like to see this in Atlantis
[/COLOR]

Yes! Bloodgushing bullets in the head for everyone! It'll be just like the end of Reservoir Dogs where they're all standing around pointing their guns at each other and screaming, "I SAID STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT ME!" and then *Blam bla-bla-Blam!* they all shoot each other and fall over dead.

Swell Atlantis theme. Roll credits.

VSHARMA
May 9th, 2007, 07:56 AM
Good point. And now Atlantis is going darker. May need to watch next season with a seat belt on, lol.

Lets hope so. And lets hope that the ratings goes sky high so theys NO chance of cancellation

prion
May 9th, 2007, 08:16 AM
I'll have to agree with those posters who feel that more violence does not equal darker. To me, darker means dealing with issues that have moral ambiguity. No clear cut black and white. No tying up all the loose ends nice and neat by the end of the episode. Forcing characters to make the hard choices, even when it goes against everything they believe, and then facing the consequences, good or bad.

The problem with SGA becoming darker is that so much of the show is wrapped up in the McShep snark. You can't have two of your stars doing a comedy routine when the world is on the brink. How the SGA brain trust deals with that, and how the fans react, will be interesting to say the least.

You can have Shep-McKay snark even in dire situations, as that's black humor. However, I woudl hope when they say the next season will be darker, it's not because they decided to cut back on lighting ;)

I'd rather see much better writing any day than more gore and stuff; gads, we get so much of that with CSI and its clones.

Mitchell82
May 9th, 2007, 04:24 PM
Lets hope so. And lets hope that the ratings goes sky high so theys NO chance of cancellation

Agreed.

VSHARMA
May 17th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Agreed.

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