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March 17th, 2007, 01:04 AM
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Juliet offers Sun a chance to find out who her baby's father is, but with a personal catch. Desmond, Charlie, Jin, and Hurley must rely on an enemy to save the life of an unknown woman who has parachuted onto the island -- and who brings a startling revelation about Flight 815.

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ItsDan
April 25th, 2007, 08:07 PM
So, anyone still want to say I was wrong to think waking up naked with Jae was a strong implication that they had sex? ;)

The implication from this episode seems to be that a single round of nookie is highly likely to result in pregnancy. Wonder if Ana Lucia and Shannon were pregnant when they died, it would have been too early to suspect it though.

Seems they either know, or at least strongly suspect Kate is carrying Sawyer's kid.

And eye-patch guy back from the dead, followed by the strong implication that even the "survivors" of the crash may have been brought back similarly, wow. Although for that to be true, someone, or "the island" would have had to duplicate the plane as well. Definately interested in where this is going now.

mi4si
April 26th, 2007, 06:54 AM
Did they just jump the shark?

FoolishPleasure
April 26th, 2007, 06:58 AM
Went to TheFuselage to get a translation of what the parachutist said to Patchy (when he said she was thanking them). She told him, in Portugese, "I am not alone."

Descent
April 26th, 2007, 08:02 AM
Did they just jump the shark?

I don't think so at all.

Mikhail's alive. Awesome. But I'm so confused now as to what this all means.

It's almost impossible to give this episode a fair rating without seeing what comes out of these revelations. So I remain neutral at the moment about the whole thing, especially about the ending.

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 26th, 2007, 10:30 AM
I KNEW IT! I knew the baby would be Jin's. And I suspected that Kate was impregnated at the compound, too.


The implication from this episode seems to be that a single round of nookie is highly likely to result in pregnancy. Wonder if Ana Lucia and Shannon were pregnant when they died, it would have been too early to suspect it though.

I was surprised - and relieved - to learn that only nine women have attempted pregnancy on the island in the three years Julliette has been a captive there.

Remember how Kate's wrists were in pretty bad shape when she was escorted to her cage? The show never addressed that, but I figure that she was forced to keep an appointment with the gynecologist....


And eye-patch guy back from the dead, followed by the strong implication that even the "survivors" of the crash may have been brought back similarly, wow. Although for that to be true, someone, or "the island" would have had to duplicate the plane as well. Definately interested in where this is going now.

Right away I thought of all the bodies that have been buried on that island in the past three months.... Some obviously stay dead (all the dead bodies in the plane, "Adam and Eve" from the caves, the detective whose decomposing corpse Kate and Jack dug up, the drug dealers in their small plane) but are some possibly experiencing something similar to that Goa'uld dude in The Tomb, who was locked into the sarc with a creature who ate him every time the sarc healed him? Are they reviving just to suffocate? <shudders>

So, Helicopter girl tells eyepatch guy that she's not alone.... Strange thing to tell him, unless she knows him and is on his side.

Skydiver
April 26th, 2007, 11:01 AM
Remember how Kate's wrists were in pretty bad shape when she was escorted to her cage? The show never addressed that, but I figure that she was forced to keep an appointment with the gynecologist....
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i wondered about that. or if 'something' else happened that she definitely fought against. she and that one captive dude definitely shared some 'i hate you' looks

refresh my memory though...how long was sun gone for? was she long enough for them to have done something with her? such as invitro? could the child have been conceived on the island certainly, just not by jin?

jds1982
April 26th, 2007, 11:23 AM
When was Sun gone, I don't remember that. I remember Charlie dragging her into the woods, but that's all I can remember.

The_Carpenter
April 26th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Sun was never taken.... Charlie and Sawyer made it look like the others in some power play for the guns/ drugs as I recall.

But awesome ending made me think WTF at the end though :S

Dr,jackson
April 26th, 2007, 11:51 AM
ok this ep was a lil weird ... I really don't hope sun 'will die grrr anyways yea weird ep but loved it :D

The_Carpenter
April 26th, 2007, 11:54 AM
ok this ep was a lil weird ... I really don't hope sun 'will die grrr anyways yea weird ep but loved it :D

I doubt she will die soon, the way this show handles time 2 months equals 2 seasons :D (as 90 odd days is equal to 3 seasons give or take :))

dosed150
April 26th, 2007, 11:58 AM
im thinking the most logical explanation for the plane being found with no survivors is some kind of cover up i mean the others could be capable or have the contacts to fake a crashed plane and no survivors i doubt the corpses from a plane crash would be recogniseable if a plane was found the search would stop and nonone would try to find the island

ItsDan
April 26th, 2007, 12:32 PM
refresh my memory though...how long was sun gone for? was she long enough for them to have done something with her? such as invitro? could the child have been conceived on the island certainly, just not by jin?

She was "gone" about 12 seconds. She was never taken, just dragged by Charlie.



Remember how Kate's wrists were in pretty bad shape when she was escorted to her cage? The show never addressed that, but I figure that she was forced to keep an appointment with the gynecologist....

Pretty sure that was just from the bindings on her wrists.

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 26th, 2007, 01:57 PM
refresh my memory though...how long was sun gone for? was she long enough for them to have done something with her? such as invitro? could the child have been conceived on the island certainly, just not by jin?

Sorry, I must have mis-communicated again.

I didn't mean to imply that Sun was taken and manipulated by the others. I expect that early on Sun and Jin indulged in some unbounded domesticity in their little beachfront lean to. ;)

I just meant to say that my suspicions about Kate getting preggers was right, too. I figure she was impregnated while in captivity, rather than earlier. What I'm not sure of is how she got pregnant(assuming she actually is)Sure, she could be carrying Sawyer's kid, and they'd probably play that angle for quite some time, but she could have been artificially inseminated as well. I wouldn't put it past the writers.

Buddhawasanancient
April 26th, 2007, 02:03 PM
So is eye patch guy back from the dead or did he just fake his own death that day with the "electrified fence" cuz he knew it was the only way to get out of that situation? Think about it...All we know for sure is that it keeps the black smoke out. We never see anyone else go through while it was activated...

Deckard07
April 26th, 2007, 02:32 PM
So is eye patch guy back from the dead or did he just fake his own death that day with the "electrified fence" cuz he knew it was the only way to get out of that situation? Think about it...All we know for sure is that it keeps the black smoke out. We never see anyone else go through while it was activated...

I think the "electrified fence" was actally intended to be a "sonic barrier" causing cerebral damage or disruption to anyone passing through it. In the case of Mikhail (the eye patch dude) the effect of the barrier was probably temporary, never causing death just temporarily incapacitating him and lowering his vital signs to mimic death.

rarocks24
April 26th, 2007, 02:57 PM
I don't think the fence is designed to kill at all. I think it just incapacitates the victim. For some reason the fence killing people doesn't meet the "Others's" MO.

Skydiver
April 26th, 2007, 06:50 PM
ok, i remembered about Sun wrong :)

so it is really jin's kid

cool :)

ItsDan
April 26th, 2007, 06:51 PM
I dont see why they would inseminate Kate. It seems more likely they new bringing Kate, Sawyer, and Jack to one place and putting them in stressful situations would lead to Kate sleeping with ONE of them at any rate. If it hadn't been Sawyer, they might have stuck her with Jack in a cage for a few days.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
April 26th, 2007, 07:56 PM
I don't think so at all.

Mikhail's alive. Awesome. But I'm so confused now as to what this all means.
Yeah, I was confused by that, too. At least we get to see Locke again next week.

Descent
April 27th, 2007, 05:05 AM
Yeah, I was confused by that, too. At least we get to see Locke again next week.

Well, we know the Island has healing abilities i.e. Locke. Mikhail cryptically noted that injuries are different on the island.

If thats true, shouldn't Shannon and Boone have recovered quickly? I mean I would consider a bullet wound less severe than a brain hemorrhage for crying out loud.

ItsDan
April 27th, 2007, 05:54 AM
The island seems to selectively use its healing powers. This was addressed previously, Ben wants to know why the island healed Locke, but his own recovery is slow.

Nyarlathotep
April 27th, 2007, 08:36 AM
Maybe it's how they die that is the determining factor... like who or what killed them... or maybe it's something to do with who they are...

Meh... I'm more confused now then ever :) Especially following that final scene...

Groove
April 27th, 2007, 09:29 AM
The island seems to selectively use its healing powers. This was addressed previously, Ben wants to know why the island healed Locke, but his own recovery is slow.Ben was born on the island - I always took it that his body therefore had a tolerance to it. Sort of like Superman's race and our sun is how island outsiders come to the island and get super healing like Superman does on Earth with super-powers. Kind of.

jds1982
April 27th, 2007, 09:58 AM
Ben was born on the island - I always took it that his body therefore had a tolerance to it. Sort of like Superman's race and our sun is how island outsiders come to the island and get super healing like Superman does on Earth with super-powers. Kind of.

Right Ben was born on the island (or so he says), so that means it's only been recently that people can't have babies on the island, or that he wasn't conceived on the island, I wonder which. If it is that people can't have babies recently I wonder what caused it.

SoulReaver
April 27th, 2007, 04:49 PM
So is eye patch guy back from the dead or did he just fake his own death that day with the "electrified fence" cuz he knew it was the only way to get out of that situation? well he did have foam coming outa his mouth - as far as I know (which is little as I'm not a doc -) that ain't a good sign. not a good sign at all...
but perhaps if there's a doctor amongst us, he could clarify (and/or rectify)

ItsDan
April 28th, 2007, 06:39 AM
He also had blood shooting from his ears. My coworkers still insist he wasn't dead. I suppose he may have just been all but braindead. "Dead" is kind of subjective for a little while afterwards.

rarocks24
April 29th, 2007, 03:20 PM
I think you can be dead for up to 10 min and be rescusitated without brain damage.

In extremely cold climates, you can be resuscitated hours after you've stopped breathing due to the cold weather slowing the rate of brain damage.

YodaMate
April 30th, 2007, 05:04 AM
Charlie also took quite a lot of CPR to jump back to life after his hanging incident in Season 1.

Indeed, the island has been selective in the healing. I'm not sure how long Charlie kept the scar on his forehead but i'm pretty sure it's gone. Sayid got back to full power quick after been shot by Mikhail whereas Sawyer took several days and it was a real battle to keep him alive. Could it be that the Island doesn't like Sawyer ?

It's likely that the reason behind the Island's selection (and at least part of its nature) will be revealed in upcoming episodes.

Ender1708
April 30th, 2007, 12:13 PM
Is nobody wondering what that girl with the punctured lung and a picture of Desmond and his girlfriend, the one that fell out of a helicopter actually say in Italian? It was translated by the x Red Army soldier as "Thank you for helping me" but i'm pretty sure i didn't hear any "Gratie" in what she said.

Darren
April 30th, 2007, 01:14 PM
I didn't get the impression at all that the writers are implying Kate is pregnant. Juliet's line is:


Ben, its six AM on Saturday morning. Kwon is pregnant, the foetus is healthy and was conceived on-Island with husband, he was sterile before they got here. I'm still working on getting samples from the other women, I should have Austen's soon. I'll report back when I know more.

Clearly they are studying the women (plural) from Oceanic 815, and are after samples of some sort (blood, perhaps). But this doesn't say to me that Kate may be pregnant -- just that she, along with other women (again, plural -- and Sun is the only pregnant woman we know about), are part of the study.

KatG
April 30th, 2007, 03:44 PM
But if the island increases the men's sperm count so dramatically, so much so that a sterile Jin was able to impregnate Sun - wouldn't the chance of Sawyer impregnating Kate be pretty high, especially since we know he's not sterile (he has a kid already) and as far as I can tell, they weren't real worried about protection.

I think the Others would like for Kate to be pregnant, that's one reason they put her and Sawyer in the situation with the cages. That, and of course to manipulate Jack.

ItsDan
April 30th, 2007, 07:17 PM
They may not KNOW she's pregnant, but they clearly hinted at the possibility, otherwise why mention Kate by name?

jonno
April 30th, 2007, 07:58 PM
But if the island increases the men's sperm count so dramatically, so much so that a sterile Jin was able to impregnate Sun - wouldn't the chance of Sawyer impregnating Kate be pretty high, especially since we know he's not sterile (he has a kid already) and as far as I can tell, they weren't real worried about protection.

I think the Others would like for Kate to be pregnant, that's one reason they put her and Sawyer in the situation with the cages. That, and of course to manipulate Jack.

It depends on what's happening with the woman too, I'd guess. What time of the month it was?

Even if a billion x as many sperm are produced it won't do any good unless they're super-long lived too ...

ItsDan
May 1st, 2007, 08:11 AM
The island could of course also be making the women super-fertile as well.

unowhoandwhy
May 1st, 2007, 10:23 AM
They may not KNOW she's pregnant, but they clearly hinted at the possibility, otherwise why mention Kate by name?


I thought it was more along the lines of: we (the viewers) don't really know the names of any other women of child-bearing age on the beach. I guess I didn't think about it any more than that. I hope Kate isn't pregnant, that would be so cliche!

Anubis69
May 2nd, 2007, 03:09 PM
Surely Kate would be worried if there were any chance? Her first concern when she heard of the pregnancy/death link was Sun. She ever went so far as to have sex with Sawyer again afterwards... I don't know. I really hope she isn't though.

KatG
May 2nd, 2007, 04:17 PM
Both times Kate was with Sawyer, it was an emotional reaction. I don't think she was really thinking clearly, just going with gut instinct. She was hurting, Sawyer was available and apparently willing.

unowhoandwhy
May 3rd, 2007, 10:41 AM
Maybe Kate has one of those birth control implants? Or else Sawyer managed to keep all the condoms he found when he gathered his stash. :D