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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 316</FONT>
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Jack is reunited with the survivors on the beach, who are shocked to see that he has brought one of the Others back with him. Juliet tries to make new friends by saving Claire's life when she falls deathly ill.

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mi4si
April 12th, 2007, 10:32 AM
Good episode, figured Juliet was a plant of some kind, guess we'll find out in a Lost week.

warmbeachbrat
April 12th, 2007, 11:07 AM
I missed what that guy said that caused Juliet to drink the orange juice--does anybody know what he said?

So Ben strongly objects to being called a liar--he must have changed his mind when he decided to infiltrate the castaways....

Groove
April 12th, 2007, 12:01 PM
The guy told her that it is a tranquilliser and as she hesitated, he recapped on all the changes she was making already and what she had achieved with her sister and what more she could achieve.

Excellent episode. I was glued to my eat. Unlike many eps, it wasn't sparse and actually answered some questions.

unowhoandwhy
April 12th, 2007, 12:16 PM
I didn't miss what they said to get Juliet to drink... but I can't remember, lol.

I am, of course, doing a little "I told you so" dance, as I knew she wasn't being at all truthful, anyone else want ot join me? :D Of course, since she desperately wants to get off the island and Ben is the only one at all likely to be able to help her, I can completely understand her going along with what he asks.

I thought it was hilarious when she pointed out how ironic (or words to that effect) it was that Sayid the Republican Guard torturer and Sawyer the con man/murderer had somehow become the morality police for the survivors. lol... the boys didn't have much of a response to that, did they?

So, Claire has an implant that can make her sick whenever the Others want? That's interesting... frightening, but interesting. What does all this mean for Sun? If women other than Claire haven't been able to deliver children then how did Rousseau have Alex? And is Ben really Alex's biological father, or not?

Is anyone else as horrified as I am that the Others kept bringing pregnant women to the island (or impregnating their own women) so they could experiment on them even though they knew the most likely outcome was death for both?!

The one really surprising thing this ep was that Juliet was involved with Goodwin (that was the name of the Other that Ana Lucia impaled, right?) and not with Ben. I always thought that her issues with Ben came froma relationship gone wrong or something like that. I wonder what her reaction to his deathw as, they don't show that at all.

FoolishPleasure
April 12th, 2007, 12:58 PM
I hated Juliet, then I felt sorry for her, then I cried with her, then I hated her. . .no, liked her. . .no, oh whatever. If nothing else, she has become one of the more fascinating characters.

Question is, in one week, is she going to go ahead with Ben's plan (which I think has to do with Sun), or is she going to care too much for Jack?

Wish Mikhail hadn't been killed as he seems like he could have been quite interesting.

As for the orange juice/tranquilizer. If Juliet was in Florida, and the island is in the south Pacific, then did they keep her tied up and drugged for several days?

Last but not least, when Juliet was explaining that Ethan acted on his own when he took Claire, why didn't anyone mention him hanging Charlie? No one asks the right questions. I just wanna shake them sometimes! :confused:

unowhoandwhy
April 12th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I thought Juliet was in California and they took her to their base in Seattle because the island was "off the coast of Seattle" (yeah, by just a bit!). That still doesn't answer how long the trip is or how they kept her drugged the whole time, though, does it?

More questions than answers, dangit!

SaberBlade
April 12th, 2007, 01:59 PM
As for the orange juice/tranquilizer. If Juliet was in Florida, and the island is in the south Pacific, then did they keep her tied up and drugged for several days?

Well I think she's been drugged not to know the exact location of the island. Being tied up just seemed to be nothing more than having her wake up and hurt herself or fall out of the bunk as it was supposed to be a fairly rough visit.

Overall a very enjoyable episode. Although I expected a hidden motive to rear it's head, I actually thought at first Juliette was actualy leaning towards joining the Survivors before the whole revealation scene.

Lost much be an actors dream, because no matter if you die, you always have a role to play. I was disappointed to see Juliette with Goodwin. I had hoped to see Ethan as it could have added this dynamic with her hating the Survivors if were responsible for killing the person she loved, an element which can no longer happen as it was the tail section and only Bernard is left.


If women other than Claire haven't been able to deliver children then how did Rousseau have Alex? And is Ben really Alex's biological father, or not?

Danielle was pregnant when she arrived on the island. So it's not Ben's and I think she admitted killing the father.

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The episode satisfied my questions about why they were kidnapping people, especially the children but it also opens the question, why can't they have kids?

I'm starting to think that Sun may be the Other's "Holy Grail" so to speak. I don't doubt that's who Juliette is after, because if she became pregnant on the ssland then that's something the Others will be greatly interested in. Even if she didn't, they could still monitor the childs development and such, but it doesn't really explain much and leaves more questions.

Why did Claire and Danielle turn out fine. Why isn't Sun sick, all came from the outside, so what happened on the island to make all the women sick. It had to be something recent if Ben was there all his life (and presumably born there) and there is this so called disease floating about which no one has seemed to get yet. Answers, but a lot more questions.

Thermonuclearboy
April 12th, 2007, 03:41 PM
The episode satisfied my questions about why they were kidnapping people, especially the children but it also opens the question, why can't they have kids?

I think Juliet had a good theory: it has to do with the healing properties of the Island. The immune system gets kicked into overdrive, sees a pregnancy as a parasitic infection, and terminates it. As to why the healing doesn't work for everyone, and seems to be failing now, I theorize it has something to do with the Swan Station. The Dharma folks were mucking around with the Island's geomagnetic field, and they did something to mess it up. Maybe before Dharma showed up, no one on the Island aged or died...might be why there was a war between Dharma and the Others.

What I want to know is why Juliet is still working for Ben. What could he possibly have to offer her now? Did he tell her there's another way off the Island? Is there really, or is he lying? We know he's a tremendous liar when it serves his purposes (anyone want to bet Juliet's sister's cancer never came back?), and if Juliet was willing to have Ben killed she must have known that. Could she possibly still believe him? Or does he maybe have something over her he's using?

SaberBlade
April 12th, 2007, 04:55 PM
The improved healing powers of the island is a possibility. It's very possible the body is considering the fetus to be cancerous. A growth, that "uncontrollably divides" and it spreads using the umbilical cord to survive by using the mother to absorb nuetriants, oxygen and such.

The anti-cancer field (for lack of a better word) could be mistaking it as cancer and trying to kill it, while Ben's tumour was just a malignant tumour, which only real danger was where it's located.

If it was just something on the Island, then they could easily have went to Hydra but since they either never thought of that or it didn't work, it's got to be something bigger.

The episode also explained why Rose has no cancer, and it also explained that she could leave and still be cured.

Nyarlathotep
April 13th, 2007, 01:21 AM
Great episode :)

I kind of assumed there was more going on with Juliet than had been revealed, however I did not expect the matter of fact way they showed she was a plant at the end, very unusual for the show which leaves me wondering...

My guess is that the others don't know about Sun's pregnancy and through this and the fact that she is not sick they will find out that Juliet is lying. Thought, again, that might be too obvious to be true :)

klossen
April 13th, 2007, 03:11 AM
Hm intressting episode but i was not expectning they to show she was a plant at the end. Seems many can do anything to get off the island or to get what they want like michael and locke.

cindyz
April 13th, 2007, 06:06 AM
Brillant episode! love the way Julliet's character has so much depth. I think a person will do just about anything to get off that island. even when the end result is that you dont get off the island...folks keep trying their damnest to do so. and just how did they switch on the chip inside Claire that made her sick? was it some kind of delayed response implant? hmmmmm.

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM
I loved this ep!

I knew from the start that Claire's "symptoms" were suspect. The timing was a little too good.

So, is Juliette there to spy on the Lostie ladies, to check for pregancies conceived "in the wild" as it were, or is she there for other reasons? Is Kate pregnant with Sawyer's kid, or is she a controlled experiment, impregnated in the lab in Otherville?

I like your theories about the island attacking a fetus as a parasite, and Juliette seemed to think that the problem started at conception, which leads me to believe that the island recognizes a fetus that has already gotten a start and established itself in the womb, as in the cases of Danielle and Claire, while any conceived on the island are ultimately destroyed along with their mothers.

However, I think Ben was conceived and born on the island, and now, after all these years, Sun's and Jin's may be the next special baby, one that was conceived on the island(Sun's romantic indiscretion is just a red herring, IMO). Maybe the island healed Jin's infertility, but their baby will be normal and as prone to illness as Ben turns out to be (much to Ben's consternation.)

But what part does Jacob play in all this? When he was a captive of the Losties, Ben said that his leader was wise but not forgiving of mistakes. Is Jacob angry with Ben over his apparent inability to fix things on the island? Juliette seems to think Jacob gave her sister back her health. Did Jacob take away Ben's?

Is that what Ben is holding over Juliette's head, the threat that if she doesn't continue to help him, then Jacob will let her sister get sick again?

So many possibilities!

Dr,jackson
April 13th, 2007, 12:09 PM
gee juliette had me there for a sec .. I really started to believe she was left behind .. first I didn't but now I was starting to ... wonder if she is really gonna do it whatever she is planning to do in the end

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 13th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Shockingly, not only has her cancer come back, Julliet's sister has turned into a 187lb male with heart trouble....

http://lost.cubit.net/viewEgg.php?id=268

That Jacob must be one powerful dude!

jmw326
April 13th, 2007, 02:24 PM
I may be wrong about this but I seem to remember that Ben told someone a few episodes back that he was born on the Island. Is that another one of his lies, is he one of a kind and wants to know what makes him special?

Tired_1
April 13th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Hey
Well it was a good episode was good to learn about how Juliet got on to the Island well I think just now she's doing what she's told from ben however I think she'll change her mind and joinn the survivors of the plane crash.Does anyone notice that she is the only one of the others of whom we see flashbacks?
Also why didn't Sayid and Sawyer question her more even though she blackmailed them because look at Sayid he was a republican guard he had to torture those people the consequences if he didnt would have been far worse and Sawyer killed someone who does he not want knowing that? Kate? she can't judge she killed her own father...

oh well just some tired thoughts:P

rarocks24
April 14th, 2007, 07:26 AM
I may be wrong about this but I seem to remember that Ben told someone a few episodes back that he was born on the Island. Is that another one of his lies, is he one of a kind and wants to know what makes him special?

I think he means born-again. He was reborn on the island a new man.

I still want to know what the hell was up with that foot.

Anubis69
April 14th, 2007, 09:39 AM
I think he means born-again. He was reborn on the island a new man.

I still want to know what the hell was up with that foot.
... Maybe it had a really bad case of Gout?

SG1Atlantis
April 14th, 2007, 11:00 AM
ok don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but if the Others left their camp, why don't the survivors head over there and live in their nice houses instead of staying on the beach?

My only thought about that is that maybe they're concerned the Others will come back or don't like the idea of living in their enemies houses, but it's still gotta be a better option then living in tents on the beach.

Tok'Ra Hostess
April 14th, 2007, 12:40 PM
ok don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but if the Others left their camp, why don't the survivors head over there and live in their nice houses instead of staying on the beach?

My only thought about that is that maybe they're concerned the Others will come back or don't like the idea of living in their enemies houses, but it's still gotta be a better option then living in tents on the beach.

They may have left the site, but the Others made it clear to Jack last season, that this was their side of the island. There's also lots of spy cameras up all over the place, there, and, who knows, maybe even a booby trap, as at the former Dharma communications farm. All in all, probably not a safe place for a Lostie to live.

SoulReaver
April 14th, 2007, 09:25 PM
Is that what Ben is holding over Juliette's head, the threat that if she doesn't continue to help him, then Jacob will let her sister get sick again?yup, something along those lines anyway. from what Ben told Juliet - even though he was putting a positive spin to it - it was kinda obvious he was blackmailing her

SoulReaver
April 14th, 2007, 09:31 PM
oh yeah, now we can definitely add Juliet's "lie ability" to her many other...assets http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/bitman.gif


mm...getting carried away...

nightie

Celcool
April 15th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Juliet became quite likable in this ep, interesting character gotta say.

What I loved most was the Sawyer and Kate hug! Awwwwwwwwww When will Kate stop looking at Jack when it's obvious she has everything in Sawyer who truly loves her and cares about her. Jack is no longer interested in her anyway. Besides it's obvious that Sawyer means a lot to her too, her actions have proved it many times.

YodaMate
April 15th, 2007, 05:55 AM
Things continue to get interesting. This season rocks !

I think the writers began to realise that by having everything the Others say be suspect, then it would hamper our ability to follow the show and get revelations. So i think these days, it's probably about 90 % truth with certain facts getting left out. Juliet's deception has been the biggest in recent times, and they went to pains to show exactly what a lie it was.

Also with Locke's 'recruitment' in Left Behind, they ensured the 'previouslys' showed Jack shaking Ben's hand, with the Locke voice-over "i'm sure he has a good reason". There is more to it than the Others simply allowing Locke to join them. My guess is he's still a prisoner and in hot water over blowing up the submarine but he's made a deal with Ben to exchange Island secrets (which he's desperate to learn more, hence willing to go along with the show fare-well to Kate). In order to establish Juliet's cover, they couldn't hold prisoners ; thus Locke tells Kate he's going with the Others as a free man and they released Jack, Kate and Sayid. However, releasing Sayid may be their biggest mistake of all. :D

I was a bit puzzled about the Rachel blackmail. Ben said she wouldn't live to give birth, yet implied seriously that healing her involved bringing her to the island. In which case, the Island would've surely killed her. Either he got his timing wrong, or he simply lied to her. Note the importance of Ben appearing truthful ; he has to keep every deal he makes and not be seen as a liar, or else he'll face a mutiny from Others like Juliet who want to leave the island.

Also interesting, the 'bumpy journey' entering the island. Either there's a force field of some type, or the currents swirl around the island in such a manner that breaking through them is a bit rough.

Important to note is that Ben still has leverage for Juliet ; he's got Desmond's sailboat and knows the required compass bearing to get out. Most likely, this is what he's offered Juliet. Juliet's prime motive is to escape the Island. Will she continue to side with those who can leave or will sympathy lead her to joining those who also want to leave ?

Personally, i suspect Juliet is there to form a List. Despite the impressive files they've formed on the Losties, Ben still relied on Ethan and Goodwin to form the actual Lists. Which implies part of the criteria is beyond something they can get from a file. They need to know the candidate personally, yet "not get involved".

cindyz
April 15th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Juliet became quite likable in this ep, interesting character gotta say.

What I loved most was the Sawyer and Kate hug! Awwwwwwwwww When will Kate stop looking at Jack when it's obvious she has everything in Sawyer who truly loves her and cares about her. Jack is no longer interested in her anyway. Besides it's obvious that Sawyer means a lot to her too, her actions have proved it many times.

I think Jack is sweet on Juliette. well...either that or he suspects something is up with her. and therefore keeping a very close watchful eye in her direction. but seriously...I caught him stealing very smitten glances at her.

Celcool
April 15th, 2007, 09:27 AM
I think Jack is sweet on Juliette. well...either that or he suspects something is up with her. and therefore keeping a very close watchful eye in her direction. but seriously...I caught him stealing very smitten glances at her.
I agree, for Jack it's all about Juliet now, no longer Kate. I don't think he suspects anything, the smile he gave Juliet towards the end of the episode confirmed it, he trusts her completely and is on his way of being in love with her (if he already isn't). I wonder what will happen once he finds out that she's been playing him all along..I hope he doesn't turn to Kate again. She belongs to Sawyer in my eyes. And I think Jack kinda sees it like that too, seems to me like he sees her as off-limits ever since he saw them together on the monitor. I saw the greeting and the hug between the two men in this ep when Jack returned back to the beach as a sign of Jack accepting that she's Sawyer's and just that they're "okay" about it. Maybe I'm reading too much into it as a shipper though. *lol* We'll see what happens next in this quadriangle. *sigh*

SoulReaver
April 15th, 2007, 10:03 AM
the contrast between Saïd & Jack in their attitudes toward Juliet looks a tad too much like the stereotypical "bad guy/good guy" picture - I say there's more to it than meets the eye :cool:

unowhoandwhy
April 17th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Jack is completely incapable of NOT falling for the damsel in distress vibe (like he did with his wife and, to a lesser extent with Kate). Once the damsel isn't in distress anymore he loses interest and moves on to another damsel. Juliet is just his most recent damsel in distress & it won't last, just like all the others.

Madwelshboy
May 27th, 2009, 08:56 AM
Love the scene whee Juliet stands up for Sayid and Sawyer!!