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March 17th, 2007, 01:02 AM
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When Nikki stumbles out of the jungle and dies mysteriously, Hurley and Sawyer head an investigation into her demise -- leading them to Paulo's body as well.

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Skydiver
March 28th, 2007, 08:05 PM
most of this eps i was sitting there going HUH????

it seems to be a cheap way to revise history to bring two new characters into it


then comes the twist.

41 minutes of yawns and 'whatever' for the final couple minutes that are truly nightmare inspiring.

a unique way to bring red shirts into the mix, and a spooky story...but, you know, had it been a familiar and known character(s) it happened to, it would have been an unforgettable episode

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 28th, 2007, 08:06 PM
Holy crap, what an ending. Buried alive while being paralyzed. I guess Hurley and Sawyer are officially murders now.

I really got to rent the Season 1 DVD (The only episode of Season 1 I've seen, is the Pilot).

ItsDan
March 28th, 2007, 08:09 PM
The only thing I don't buy is that after 8 hours it should have been obvious they weren't actually dead to anyone paying attention, but the story still works. I like that they're not keeping the two of them around as their injection into the show always seemed unnatural.

Also I went back to the pilot during commercial breaks and went through it and couldn't find either character there, which makes sense since their hiring was announced before the season began, so they hadn't been cast at that point. That being said, that was some damn fine bluescreen work to make them look like they'd been there.

g8torgurl
March 28th, 2007, 08:14 PM
I would hate to die that way... i mean, come on, buried alive while paralyzed... her eyes openned, i hoped Sawyer and Hurley saw that, and sadi "Woah, dude, she's still alive..." Somehow, i think there will be some miracle where they unbury themselves... or Jack comes back to inspect the bodies or something, who knows.
Maybe they just wanted to show, that as much as a character (like Sawyer) can change, they still don't trust them. I think they also wanted to show Charlie still showing regret about "kidnapping" Sun, as well as Sun's revenge at Sawyer for it...
I think they also wanted to show more of the Others' planning... Paulo saw Juliette and Ben talking about "Do you think Jack will do the surgery?" and stuff... Paulo could have warned everyone, but no, he didn't. He also had a walkie-talkie, where he could listen in on the Others, and tell everyone what they were plotting... Think about how the story would be different if this stuff had fallen into Jack or Locke's hands!

upinout
March 28th, 2007, 08:23 PM
What a crap episode.

So they introduced a couple new characters this season, then killed them off. Okay.

On one hand it was a clip show, recapping some of the events that took place so far. Mostly, it was just a filler episode to extend the show.

It added NOTHING to the over-all plot of the series and it did not further any of the storylines going on. It was a self-contained story, and a boring one at that. OOOOHH, they got buried alive! Oh no! Wait... who were they again? YAWN.

Adding all that stuff about the pearl station, finding the plane where boone died, etc.. Just cheap tricks to fold them into the story, which in the end was pointless since they were killed off, and nothing they showed us provided any more insight into the story. It was all stuff we knew about already.

Oreo
March 28th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Yeah it was BAD!

They just introduce charaters to kill them, that's bad writing.

And then next week we have a wet t-shirt ***** fight! Fun!!!!

lunarleviathan
March 28th, 2007, 09:43 PM
What's wrong with self contained stories?

Good episode. Nice twist in that they were buried alive. We wondered who they were, now we know.

How did Paulo get the walkie-talkie though?

upinout
March 28th, 2007, 10:59 PM
What's wrong with self contained stories?

Good episode. Nice twist in that they were buried alive. We wondered who they were, now we know.

How did Paulo get the walkie-talkie though?

You must of missed that part of the episode. When Paulo first went to the Pearl Station by himself to hide the diamonds. After he overheard Juliette and Ben talking and the two of them left the station, Paulo came out of the bathroom and found the walkie-talkie on a table, left there by Ben and Juliette.

The problem with stand-alone episodes is that it goes against the whole concept and story-telling style of Lost. It's a serielized show. Each episode is supposed to build on the one before it, adding little pieces to the ever-growing-convoluted story. All this episode did was plug two characters into the already established mythology of the show, only to kill them off at the end. What a waste. No plot developement in any way, shape or form.



a unique way to bring red shirts into the mix, and a spooky story...but, you know, had it been a familiar and known character(s) it happened to, it would have been an unforgettable episode

Exactly. It would have had much more impact had it been Sawyer (Lord knows I wouldn't shed a tear to see his sorry *ss leave the show). He has been established as a con man, so he could have easily been the one to steal the diamonds. And he's already been established as the untrustworthy type and could have stumbled upon some of the secrets before the others and not said anything about it. That would have had a lot more impact on the show than some random charcaters that were thrown into the mix in the 3rd season.

I only hope that the events of this episode have some serious impact on future events, or else this was truly a wasted week.

sgeureka
March 29th, 2007, 02:21 AM
Four good/great episodes in a row.

TPTB have already said that the Nikki/Paulo haters (i.e. basically almost all Lost fans) would regret disliking/hating them. I am really sorry for the two of them. But a great way (storywise) to die. I wouldn't have expected that. Then again, I am usually not the fastest when it comes to solving Lost mysteries.

I liked to see more about the recent story about The Pearl (although I don't know how Paulo could escape after Ben+Juliette had been there). I liked the toilet story (and I had thought Paulo had gastric problems *tsk*). I liked seeing Dr. Arzt back (though I expected to see more of the other now dead characters like Boone.) A couple of more things like Vincent pulling the blanket away, Charlie admitting to have kidnapped Sun (and Sawyer being slapped for it :D), those gross bodies under water,... This list could go on.


Somehow, i think there will be some miracle where they unbury themselves... or Jack comes back to inspect the bodies or something, who knows."Nothing stays buried forever on this island."

fammann
March 29th, 2007, 02:59 AM
What a great episode. That was the funnies lost episode ever.

The flasback with the filmshoot. They are making fun of themselves
i like that.

It was also great to revisit the whole time on the island.

9/10

Thermonuclearboy
March 29th, 2007, 06:03 AM
Well, I liked it. Thought it was nice how they worked Arnzt (Arzt?) back into the show, albeit briefly. The whole bit with the plane and the Pearl station was a bit overdone if you ask me, though. Oooh, Paolo has more common sense than Locke! Yeah, we knew that already. Vincent the dog has more common sense than Locke!

It's also nice to know that the tradition of filming crappy action shows in Australia is still very much alive and well.

In addition: I was right! Ben LET himself get captured! It was all part of his clever plot! ::happy dance::

FoolishPleasure
March 29th, 2007, 06:08 AM
I thought it was a clever way to slip in a clip show, and get rid of two characters no one liked. The writers certainly poked at people afraid of spiders (raises hand), and claustrophobics! ;)

Suzotchka
March 29th, 2007, 06:41 AM
I think that this is the worst episode in the history of Lost. I loved the ending but didn't care at all for the rest of the episode.

upinout
March 29th, 2007, 06:52 AM
In addition: I was right! Ben LET himself get captured! It was all part of his clever plot! ::happy dance::

I'm pretty sure that had already been established in an earlier episode.

Morbo
March 29th, 2007, 08:52 AM
overall a good, fun, intriguing episode.
it was very fun to see how nikki and paulo basically knew about everything before we as viewers who were following jack and kate and locke found out.

we found out that the others knew about and used other stations like the pearl for the video surveillance. and that juliet was working closely with ben until they actually got jack. also that ben was manipulating people all along to get jack to help him.

sure the girl that plays nikki is a god awful actress, but i can look past that because of the content of the episode - not to mention shes really hot.

i'm not surprised most of you disliked the episode, because you all hate Lost and hate everything in life anyway because you're far too critical.

ste
March 29th, 2007, 09:17 AM
i was so hoping that one of them would sit up and scare everyone else, not that would of been a good ending, god that ending scared me, id hat3e for that to happen me, ah well

bcfc
March 29th, 2007, 09:18 AM
I thought it was a good enough episode although I thought the ending was sick.

It has to be the worst death in lost ever and i never expected the ending like that. I did like how Paulo knew everything about the Pearl Station before Locke though.

:o

Groove
March 29th, 2007, 11:02 AM
most of this eps i was sitting there going HUH????

it seems to be a cheap way to revise history to bring two new characters into it


then comes the twist.

41 minutes of yawns and 'whatever' for the final couple minutes that are truly nightmare inspiring.

a unique way to bring red shirts into the mix, and a spooky story...but, you know, had it been a familiar and known character(s) it happened to, it would have been an unforgettable episodeNow, see - that's funny. I normally get pissed right of with the way Lost flits between areas and characters so you have to wait another episode to catch up, but this I thought was an excellent episode even though I want to know what is happening at The Other's place.

The reason for this is that events that happened in a BOTH PREVIOUS SEASONS actually tied in really well - especially finding the Pearl Station and using the toilet for Paulo. On top of that, an ending which actually made me say '"Jesus Christ" out loud

I can only hope that being in sand, not soil that one of them manages to put their hand up.

Also: rescue one day is possible, especially with Clare's birds carrying a message. I'd have kept a few of those diamonds; well, spread them amongst the group equally.

unowhoandwhy
March 29th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Somehow, i think there will be some miracle where they unbury themselves... or Jack comes back to inspect the bodies or something, who knows.

Ummm... I am pretty sure that you don't recover from being buried under hundreds of pounds of sand. Of course, anything is possible on this island!


I know TPTB said we would all regret hating Nikki and Paolo, but I only regretted hating Paolo. He redeemed himself a bit on the island and I can understand why he hid the diamonds from Nikki. Nikki, on the other hand, will not be missed by me AT ALL.

Speaking of the diamonds, anyone placing bets on how many Sawyer may have kept? If he didn't keep any, then he must really believe that they are stuck there forever.

I still can't believe that they did all that work on adding two new characters into scenes they weren't in, only to do THAT to them! Kudos to TPTB for having great big brass... you-know-whats. :D

FoolishPleasure
March 29th, 2007, 12:06 PM
I still can't believe that they did all that work on adding two new characters into scenes they weren't in, only to do THAT to them! Kudos to TPTB for having great big brass... you-know-whats. :D

The characters didn't go over as the producers/writers planned, so they wrote 'em out:

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800011706

warmbeachbrat
March 29th, 2007, 01:36 PM
I could tell this was going to be a...different episode right from the beginning. Several times I laughed, but by the end I wasn't sure what to do. I think it was a good episode, but it left me a little unsettled.

I'm sad, though. Billy Dee Williams was in such a small part of it. I would have loved to see a greater role for him. Still, I thought he was terrific with his part (that voice, that charisma *swoon*).

memnarch
March 29th, 2007, 02:31 PM
There was so much build up to this episode that it was impossible to make everyone happy with it's turn out, myself included. I agree that Paulo redeemed himself somewhat, but given how little he's actually been in the show, I really don't care. Neither of them were on the show long enough to have much of an impact at all. Sure their deaths were shocking, but so was Eko's. And we actually cared about him!

The thing that really irritated me though was that the producers promised more than was delivered. They said there was going to be a gay character introduced and/or outed in this episode, yet there was not one to be found. They also claimed a major Island mystery would be revealed, yet the only real thing we learned was that the Others who were in the Pearl station spying on the folks in the Hatch, which everyone had kind of assumed anyway.

After a spectacular episode like the Man from Tallahassee, any episode would seem not as good, but to build Expose up like this and then not deliver is a pretty crappy way to treat the fans. Don't get me wrong, I've always supported the producers in the past. I'm not one of those people who's always complaining that they don't reveal enough. I'm fine with their plan of slowly revealing everything in due course. But to promise a big reveal and then not giving it to us is just them hurting themselves.

Overall, ** stars because of the chance to see Boone, Shannon and Arzt, three likable dead characters.

g8torgurl
March 29th, 2007, 02:52 PM
It added NOTHING to the over-all plot of the series and it did not further any of the storylines going on.

Actually, Upinout, I believe it did. Remember how earlier this season, i don't remember who said it, but when Jack was first going in to fix Ben, one of the Others said "Shepherd wasn't even on the list!" But, we know now that Ben and Juliette plotted to get Shepherd to help him, by using his emotions (Kate, and how she was with Sawyer). We knew this already (sort of) but we know officially that there must be TWO lists... the one Ben made, and the list the "Magnificent One" wrote, that Mikhail talked about. ALSO, we learned (as someone said earlier) the Others DO use the stations a lot. AND, since they seem to use the Pearl station a bit, they were probably spying on Desmond at one time. He could be an Other, who knows. Or one of the ones on the list of the "Magnificent One". ONE MORE THING, We learned of the Medusa spiders. Personally, i think this was the KEY THING in this episode. A new threat on the island they have to worry about.


"Nothing stays buried forever on this island."
Sgeureka, that's right!


Speaking of the diamonds, anyone placing bets on how many Sawyer may have kept? If he didn't keep any, then he must really believe that they are stuck there forever.
unowhoandwhy, I'll place a bet. :P
I bet that Sawyer kept none of them. BUT, he'll come back for them. He will ever come back really soon, and discover that Paulo and Nikki are still alive, or he'll come back later, and discover that Paulo and Nikki didn't die when they thought they did, but were trying to get out, and then discover the threat of the spiders.


They also claimed a major Island mystery would be revealed, yet the only real thing we learned was that the Others who were in the Pearl station spying on the folks in the Hatch, which everyone had kind of assumed anyway.
memnarch, now that you said this, i think i'm realizing that the spiders may be a key thing, just like i thought above. Or, its the "nothing stays buried forever on this island".

KatG
March 29th, 2007, 03:31 PM
The characters didn't go over as the producers/writers planned, so they wrote 'em out:

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800011706

Perhaps they didn't go over because nothing was done to make us care about this. Personally I think this was a wasted episode. Did Nikki and Paulo die a horrific death? Yes. Are they really dead? Who knows. Do I really care? That would be no.

iheartshep
March 29th, 2007, 03:41 PM
It's sad. I didn't even pay attention to those 2 characters before last night's episode.

I would hate to be buried alive! That and those spiders creeped me out.

I can't decide whether Sawyer's really changing or he's still conning everyone. Oh, and that Desmond guy.......strange!

IHS

ItsDan
March 29th, 2007, 03:55 PM
They're not alive. In the time it would take them to fill in the hole (they dug that grave quite deep relative to some of the others) they'd already be dead.

upinout
March 29th, 2007, 07:44 PM
Actually, Upinout, I believe it did. Remember how earlier this season, i don't remember who said it, but when Jack was first going in to fix Ben, one of the Others said "Shepherd wasn't even on the list!" But, we know now that Ben and Juliette plotted to get Shepherd to help him, by using his emotions (Kate, and how she was with Sawyer). We knew this already (sort of) but we know officially that there must be TWO lists... the one Ben made, and the list the "Magnificent One" wrote, that Mikhail talked about. ALSO, we learned (as someone said earlier) the Others DO use the stations a lot. AND, since they seem to use the Pearl station a bit, they were probably spying on Desmond at one time. He could be an Other, who knows. Or one of the ones on the list of the "Magnificent One". ONE MORE THING, We learned of the Medusa spiders. Personally, i think this was the KEY THING in this episode. A new threat on the island they have to worry about.


I really don't think there are two lists. "The List" was just a list of the plane crash survivors that the others kidnapped from the beach. Jack was not on that list because he was not one of the survivors that they wanted to kidnap. This was explained a few episodes back when Ben explained that he needed Jack to WANT to help him, he couldn't force Jack to help him, so Jack never was on the list. Nothing from this last episode contradicted that or added to that.

I also don't think it's of any relevance to the over all story that the others have been using any of the stations either. I really don't think seeing Ben and Juliette using the pearl station was in anyway a surprise, or any sort of revelation, nor did it add anything to the ongoing story.

As for the spiders, they have obviously been on the island this whole time, so they aren't a "new threat". I don't think they were anything more than a plot device for the writers and I doubt we'll see much, if anything, of them again.

I rewatched the episode again today to see if I missed anything from the first viewing, and I still just feel that it was a total throw away episode with no new insights into what's going on.

My only hope is that somehow the events that transpired will somehow become relevant later down the road.

SoulReaver
March 29th, 2007, 08:24 PM
most of this eps i was sitting there going HUH????

it seems to be a cheap way to revise history to bring two new characters into it


then comes the twist.

41 minutes of yawns and 'whatever' for the final couple minutes that are truly nightmare inspiring.truly unrealistic, more like
if they were truly paralyzed they'd have been dead long before the end - that's the way neurotoxins work, by paralyzing motor nerves thus voluntary muscles, that includes breathing muscles and AFAIK it's humanly impossible to survive 8 hours without air



anyway...a quick check on the 2 actors & apparently we'll be seeing both of them in the very next episode ("left behind")
of course even if by some miracle they weren't crushed to death by the ton+ of sand heaped upon them and somehow survived the burial, there's no way they could possibly lift themselves through all this sand (yup as someone pointed out this was an unusually deep grave compared to the others, tough luck) so their appearances in the next ep will be more likely part of some flashback or something



also...what an incredibly foolish death. nikki's death I mean. "nightmarish" in a way perhaps, but almost funny (almost) : anyone notice that after she got bitten, her greed & obsession still caused her to stop & bury the diamonds before resuming course toward the camp - despite being poisoned, a potentially life-threatening situation - thereby wasting a lot of time...rofl...had she made a beeline for the camp instead, as any logical-thinking person would've done, she'd have had ample time to inform the losties of her predicament but nooo, she had to tend to the diamonds first. worthless diamonds at that, given the context (she'd made up her mind she wasn't getting outa that island anyway). idiot. oh well, good riddance. hopefully she did somehow survive being buried, she'd have time to think & regret. and freak out, down in the dark hehe...







EDIT> some ppl think Paulo "redeemed himself" - how so ? http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/icones/smilies/heink.gif
because he quit smoking ? -)

Nyarlathotep
March 30th, 2007, 01:10 AM
I thought it was a great episode - took me a while to get into it, it having a very different feel to every other ep this season but it built up really well!

I think Nikki taking the time to bury the diamonds rather than racing straight back to the beach was part of the theme of this episode. She was an irredeemable character as the diamonds meant more to her than even her own life - she was willing to use and kill people for the diamonds and even though they had no value on the island she was still fatally obsessed by them.

I loved how they integrated the characters into scenes from earlier eps too - fantastic way to do a clip show :)

It certainly wasn't as good as the previous 3 or 4 eps but it was a good one never the less.

Descent
March 30th, 2007, 07:02 AM
Hmph. This episode had a very promising start but the whole "is Sawyer an Other angle" and worst off, "the death" of Nikki and Paulo really turned me off from this one. I was just starting to warm up to these characters too.

I did however enjoy the brief appearances of Boone, Artz and...Shannon, I guess. :P But what a horrible ending...:(

**s from me.

memnarch
March 30th, 2007, 11:36 AM
EDIT> some ppl think Paulo "redeemed himself" - how so ? http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/icones/smilies/heink.gif
because he quit smoking ? -)

Well, people are saying this because if what he said to Nikki before she was bitten was true, then he had come to realize that the diamonds were worthless on the island and that Nikki knowing about them would drive them apart. In contrast to Nikki, who still thinks the diamonds have value on the island that no one can find...

SoulReaver
March 30th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Well, people are saying this because if what he said to Nikki before she was bitten was true, then he had come to realize that the diamonds were worthless on the island and that Nikki knowing about them would drive them apart. In contrast to Nikki, who still thinks the diamonds have value on the island that no one can find...well for one thing if he'd really meant it then he'd have tossed away the diamonds instead of keeping them with him, what he did suggests that contrary to what he told her the diamonds did matter to him quite a bit (albeit not as much as they did to her perhaps)
remember that he was basically powerless and knew she probably intended to kill him/leave him for dead, so whatever he may have said while at her mercy could be taken as either earnest attachment or (much more likely) simply self-preservation instinct, Baltar-style

and second...even if he was telling the truth, whatever feelings he may have had for Nikki have little if any bearing on the whole moral issue - heck, Clyde was no doubt very attached to Bonnie but that didn't prevent him from murdering more innocents during their crime spree, did it ?

oh and also Paulo was aware of Ben & Juliet's plans but he didn't warn his comrades despite the obvious threat - looks like the chap had plans of his own

nope I'm not making out an inkling of "redemption" on his part. he may have valued his relationship with his mate above the diamonds but that's just about the only difference between the two, and as I said that's irrelevant anyway



btw Paulo may have had it easy compared to Nikki, chances are he was long dead when they buried him - he was left alone for quite some time in the jungle, the other spiders would've finished him off

unowhoandwhy
March 30th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Well, maybe I was biased towards Paolo since the actor who plays him was so good (and so hot, hot, hot!) in 300... :P

SoulReaver
March 30th, 2007, 01:28 PM
Well, maybe I was biased towards Paolo since the actor who plays him was so good (and so hot, hot, hot!) in 300... :P
Gender:
Femalethat, of course, is another matter & perfectly understandable http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/djoce.gif

well you'll see him again coming either next episode or the one after. of course as it's highly unlikely he does manage to claw his way out of 10 feet of sand, you'll have to content with a frigid corpse, or best case scenario an equally frigid but very pissed-off zombie, either way I'm afraid this will be as hot as he gets :/

Anubis69
March 30th, 2007, 03:33 PM
Funnily enough that is one of my greatest fears. (being buried alive) Terrifying.

I enjoyed the episode though. At the time, I kept wondering why the camera constantly zooming in on their lifeless faces throughout the ep... and in the end it all makes sense. Poor Paolo, he may have gone about it the wrong way, but he had the right idea. Nikki was just an ass and, i guess, got what was coming to her...

mcbarr
March 30th, 2007, 05:42 PM
The two characters who supposedly died in this episode didn't have proper introduction or screen time like the tail section passengers from the Oceanic flight last season, so their supposed deaths were pretty pointless. I liked how the writers used some island flashbacks to clarify minor stuff, though. But, yeah, I guess this was the worst season 3 ep so far.

unowhoandwhy
March 30th, 2007, 11:21 PM
I didn't think it was the worst this season at all, at the very least it was fun to see Boone & the doctor who went kaboom again from a different perspective. Theending was chilling, no matterhow you feel abaout a character (even if you could care less about them) you have to admit that being buried alive royally sucks. :D

Dusk
March 31st, 2007, 12:59 AM
Come on guys, this episode was great! Loved seeing them sneakily insert the two characters into earlier events so flawlessly. And great to see old characters long gone returning to do scenes. It, to me, shows complete commitment to the show and I applaud it! Sad to see Nikki and Paulo leave so soon, and what a HORRIBLE way to go... truly shocking!

People complain "this is a filler episode, wah wah wah" but seriously, pull the plot device out of your asses and appreciate continuity eps like this one, cos it's these stories that serve to solidify the mythos, canon, foundations, and smooth edges of the show! I'm GLAD we're not ALWAYS doing major plot arcs, cos THAT would be distasteful.

Just cos this episode went back and filled in a few blank spots and pulled it off so well, I give it a 8.5/10!

Razzle Dazzle!

mcbarr
March 31st, 2007, 06:32 AM
Don't get me wrong, I liked the episode. It's just that the other season 3 eps have been far superior, IMHO.

ItsDan
March 31st, 2007, 10:18 PM
A doctor friend of mine pointed out that paralysis tends to leave your eyelids working. They're eyes were exposed for 8 consecutive hours, they'd most likely be blind by the time it was over even if they weren't buried. Plus after 8 hours they would have been stiff and someone should have known that when they put them in the hole. In addition there's the whole 'crapping of your pants' thing which happens when you die. Secondly people think they could have survived? It would have realistically taken 10 minutes to fill that hole with sand the way they did, and they were in no hurry. If they'd had motor control when the sand started coming in maybe, but after a foot of sand their air supply would have been cut off, and 2 minutes later they'd be dead, so unless we're going to have zombie Nikki and Paolo, we won't be seeing them alive again on the island.

Angela V
March 31st, 2007, 11:30 PM
A doctor friend of mine pointed out that paralysis tends to leave your eyelids working. They're eyes were exposed for 8 consecutive hours, they'd most likely be blind by the time it was over even if they weren't buried. Plus after 8 hours they would have been stiff and someone should have known that when they put them in the hole. In addition there's the whole 'crapping of your pants' thing which happens when you die. Secondly people think they could have survived? It would have realistically taken 10 minutes to fill that hole with sand the way they did, and they were in no hurry. If they'd had motor control when the sand started coming in maybe, but after a foot of sand their air supply would have been cut off, and 2 minutes later they'd be dead, so unless we're going to have zombie Nikki and Paolo, we won't be seeing them alive again on the island.

Yes, but who would've really known that of who was around the burial? If Jack had been there, he would've known.

SaberBlade
April 1st, 2007, 08:26 AM
Secondly people think they could have survived? It would have realistically taken 10 minutes to fill that hole with sand the way they did, and they were in no hurry. If they'd had motor control when the sand started coming in maybe, but after a foot of sand their air supply would have been cut off, and 2 minutes later they'd be dead, so unless we're going to have zombie Nikki and Paolo, we won't be seeing them alive again on the island.

Surviving wouldn't surprise me at all. Consider where they are afterall, who knows the full extent of the Islands healing powers. It's cured cancer, a broken back, possibly stopped Jin from shooting blanks and for all we know, Jack's dad is walking around the island after disappearing from his coffin and Locke's father seemed to appear from thin air in the last episode.

So bringing them back wouldn't surprise me at all.

rarocks24
April 1st, 2007, 11:23 AM
I'm wondering how Paulo fit in all those episodes when he was shooting The 300. :S

ste
April 1st, 2007, 03:51 PM
he was in 300?? ha i ahve to watch it again now, good thing i get free films, newho, that episode that karma will get you, even on a hidden island, the 2 of them wernt nice people and there death was by no means nice, so the moral of the episode is . . . . BE NICE

rarocks24
April 1st, 2007, 07:20 PM
he was in 300?? ha i ahve to watch it again now, good thing i get free films, newho, that episode that karma will get you, even on a hidden island, the 2 of them wernt nice people and there death was by no means nice, so the moral of the episode is . . . . BE NICE
Paulo starred as Xerxes. ;)

Naonak
April 2nd, 2007, 02:48 AM
They can stay buried.

I didn't think it was a particularly bad episode, but the way that Nikki and Paulo were forced into everything really annoyed me. Why the hell wouldn't they tell anybody about an underground bunker?!
Was anybody else half-expecting them to find the other door into the Swan and go have a chat with Desmond?

The crash scenes were amazingly well done, but they shouldn't have had Locke shouting at her. (it didn't happen in the Pilot, so it's too big a change, IMO)

It's weird - I didn't particularly care about Boone when he was still around, but now it I like it whenever he turns up in a flashback or something...

Hurley was great, ("It's like Baywatch, but better!") although oddly unbothered by their deaths.

ori soldier
April 3rd, 2007, 05:12 AM
What a cheap way to get rid of characters! i actually liked them and i thought that they were guna have some big mysterious back story to do with the overall mystery of the island but no they killed someone and stole just like all the other characters can the writers not have an interesting backstory i am not tired of lost

ste
April 3rd, 2007, 08:41 AM
Paulo starred as Xerxes. ;)

wow, make up can do magic stuff

YodaMate
April 9th, 2007, 05:56 AM
As far as i'm concerned, Lost's weakest aspect is the formulaic nature of the flashbacks, which results in every episode having a flashback (often for routine sake). So far this season, they've done a fairly good job of either making the flashes have interesting information (confirmation of Sun's affair, Sawyer's daughter, confirmation of Jack/Claire's connection) or focus on new characters (Juliet) or, as this episode did, break the mould : Desmond's time travel and now Nikki and Paulo's exploits unfolding on and off the island as an unravelling murder mystery.

Someone somewhere (maybe even in this very thread) pointed out that this has been one of the very few, if not the only, episode this season to feature all the billed regular cast (not to mention guest stars). It was definitely good to see Juliet/Ben, Jack and his merry band of would-be rescuers back with the Beach Brigade, not to mention Boone, Shannon, Dr Arzt and Ethan.

This episode also gets points for having the mere presence of Billy Dee Williams. Anything with Lando Calrissian is a good thing ! :)

Now, onto those who felt this episode accomplished nothing :

- the extreme coincidence of the smuggler's plane completing the question mark is reduced to less of a coincidence/fate (maybe even a case of the Island using the plane as reference point for Locke to find the Pearl) by the fact that Ben and Juliet deliberately covered the Pearl entrance with the plane.

- Nikki and Paulo had a reasonable explanation for not revealing what they had found ; fear of raising suspicion over what they were doing in the jungle/hatch leading to someone else finding the diamonds. Also, there are shades of Jack and co. leadership style coming back to bite them : there are more than twenty background characters that they never consult.

Speaking of ; Dr Arzt, the poster-boy for this sentiment, may get the last laugh. He and Nikki were excluded and thus (perhaps immaturely) didn't tell anyone about the existence of Medusa spiders.

- The Others. I haven't seen 3.15 yet, but this episode cast even more light on Ben's style. Last week, we learnt how his 'good guy' persona and promise-keeping is vital to keeping the underlings in check. This week, we discover that Ben went to a lot of effort to lure Jack out, even putting his own life in Rousseau's hands. He clearly did this as a secret operation, hidden from his superiors (only a few days after planning with Juliet, Tom drew his 'line') as in the past he would have simply nabbed the people he needed. Also, Juliet is the one he trusts with this secret operation.

Also importantly, we have doubt cast on Tom's loyalty : so far, he's been the only Other besides Juliet to attempt small talk with Jack and he also reminded Jack he was been watched in 3.13. This week, we discover he has a reputation amongst the Others for been forgetful/careless (Ben assumes Tom left the Pearl door open) and one must assume it was his radio left behind as neither Ben nor Juliet were seen putting one down.

Does Tom actually have sympathies towards our guys and is subtly helping them ? Or is he a weak link to be exploited ?

- The 815rs now have an Others radio. This will come in handy doubtless.

- There is a threat on the island from the Medusa spiders that the 815rs are unaware of.

rushy
December 4th, 2009, 05:35 AM
Okay,there are several things I hated in this episode. Firt they brought back the most crappiest person ever:Dr.Leslie Arzt. Then they got killed.And I swear it was the Monster that bit Nikki.Why did the Monster to the Medusa Spider form.I The Cost Of Living it killed Eko in the smoke form.I could have done the same thing to Nikki.

Sorry about the word mistakes.I was angry.

The Pilot,Eko and now Nikki.

Ulkesh47
November 13th, 2010, 08:41 PM
The ending to this episode is brilliant on many levels.

Those who hated Nikki and Paulo might have said things like, "I wish they die horrible, lingering deaths!" Well, they got it. Do they feel guilty? Do they laugh maniacally?

But no matter what you thought of those two, their fate was simply twisted.