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GateWorld
March 17th, 2007, 01:01 AM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 313</FONT>
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As Kate and Sayid attempt to rescue Jack from the Others, Locke pays a visit to Ben in the hopes of finding their submarine. But the seemingly helpless Ben has an agenda of his own.

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Morbo
March 21st, 2007, 10:52 PM
:jawdrop :jawdrop :jawdrop

amazing.

warmbeachbrat
March 21st, 2007, 11:09 PM
How many people knew what was going to be behind the door? It was still quite shocking!

SaberBlade
March 21st, 2007, 11:40 PM
How many people knew what was going to be behind the door? It was still quite shocking!

I was honestly hoping for one of those big hamsters running on a wheel, but given the conversation and what Ben said, I did somewhat expect it.

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I have a theory. We know that everything in Lost is all somehow connected. Everyone is connected to someone else one way or another, so what are the chances of Locke's father being the original Sawyer? He did say that he's been a conman for a long time.

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Overall I really enjoyed this episode, and seeing how Locke was put in that wheelchair was the best thing the show's did in a while. It was unexpected and looked great.

I am a bit disappointed there was nothing seen about the others at the camp and that the show took an unwelcomed U-turn back to Jack being captured and such. I would have enjoyed an episode or two extra with the other Losties before going back to Jack.

I am also glad to see how Danielle was finally able to see Alex, and that for once someone actually mentioned Danielle to Alex. That for me was annoying, that one person couldn't actually bring it up. I look forward to seeing how they get involved together.

sgeureka
March 22nd, 2007, 05:14 AM
Three words: OH MY GOD!!!

I thought they wouldn't show us what Locke saw behind the door.

And I'm even more surprised what he saw, i.e. who was there. So people really can make up things, and they happen. Jack's father, who I thought was just post-traumatic stress. Kate's horse, which I thought was from Patchy's farm. Sayid's cat, which I thought just looked very similar to an island cat. Probably a couple of more examples.

TPTB had already spoiled that this would be the ep where the audience learns why Locke was in the wheelchair. I was expecting a lame car accident, but I loved the option in this episode.

Ben - great! He really is a power-hungy maniac. And we learned that your health status very likely IS linked to your behaviour on the island.

Season 3 is shaping up real nicely. :D I am soooooo not giving up on the show.


I have a theory. We know that everything in Lost is all somehow connected. Everyone is connected to someone else one way or another, so what are the chances of Locke's father being the original Sawyer? He did say that he's been a conman for a long time.See what Ask Ausiello had to say about this possible connection after last season's "Lockdown" aired here (http://www.lost-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1085465&postcount=75).

FoolishPleasure
March 22nd, 2007, 06:43 AM
I was thinking Locke's paralysis would be psychosomatic. . .I was wrong. *LOL*

Anyone else thinking Cooper has been on the island all along, and when Ben said, "Get the man from Tallahassee" it was some sort of code? Locke did say something about a code, but Ben denied it, but Alex told Locke that Ben loved to manipulate people.

ItsDan
March 22nd, 2007, 09:24 AM
I assumed Locke's dad was 'the man from tallahassee'.

warmbeachbrat
March 22nd, 2007, 10:06 AM
Ben really is a monster. An evil monster.

I suppose next week it's back to the beach and we won't see anything from Ben's camp....:rolleyes:

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
March 22nd, 2007, 03:13 PM
How many people knew what was going to be behind the door? It was still quite shocking!
I didn't expect that.

I thought it was an awesome episode, one of the the best episodes of the season (within the top 2). I give it a ****.

Descent
March 22nd, 2007, 03:40 PM
Loved this episode. Probably my favorite scene being the one between Jack and Kate in the rec room.

Man, Locke's father is a real you-know-what. :P

***1/2 from me.

lunarleviathan
March 22nd, 2007, 06:21 PM
Good episode, but Jack simply planning to escape then send for help ruined it for me - I was hoping for something far more sinister behind his apparent defection to the Others. It made no sense, surely he would realise that he would not be allowed to leave if there was a way for him to easily find his way back with help - Juliet would surely know this also?

It's interesting that they can leave, and can return, but them having no way to communicate means that the Sub could never get back. Some form of signal for guiding ships and subs must be required for some reason.

I wonder how long Locke's father has been on the island. Perhaps brought there after Locke crashed, perhaps he was a recruit before the crash, maybe involved with whatever is behind The Others and/or DHARMA?

It seems obvious that Jack will want to rescue Kate, and likely return back to the beach, but I wonder if Juliet will go with him or stay with The Others where she is at least guaranteed some degree of safety and standard of living.

jazz!
March 22nd, 2007, 07:25 PM
Good episode, but Jack simply planning to escape then send for help ruined it for me - I was hoping for something far more sinister behind his apparent defection to the Others. It made no sense, surely he would realise that he would not be allowed to leave if there was a way for him to easily find his way back with help - Juliet would surely know this also?

It's interesting that they can leave, and can return, but them having no way to communicate means that the Sub could never get back. Some form of signal for guiding ships and subs must be required for some reason.

I wonder how long Locke's father has been on the island. Perhaps brought there after Locke crashed, perhaps he was a recruit before the crash, maybe involved with whatever is behind The Others and/or DHARMA?

It seems obvious that Jack will want to rescue Kate, and likely return back to the beach, but I wonder if Juliet will go with him or stay with The Others where she is at least guaranteed some degree of safety and standard of living.

Agreed, I quite annoyed at Jack's lack of complacency/defiance. He is very astute and a great strategist - he can usually decipher the true meanings/intentions of the others (or anyone for that matter).

I'm sure (hope) TPTB will reveal its apart of Jack's greater plan in Future "Flashback" or in a new ep wher Jack explains it.


Also, agreed with "Box" revelation... AWESOME:
Horse, Jack's Dad, Locke's Dad, Eko's Brother, Dave

memnarch
March 22nd, 2007, 10:51 PM
I was really excited for this episode and was not at all disappointed! I didn't see Locke's dad pushing him coming at all, although in retrospect it makes perfect sense, since most of the unhappiness in Locke's life stems from his father. I think it's great that Ben has realized Locke's connection to the Island, even if it means he's going to use what Locke discovers for his own ends, because what Locke discovers: WE DISCOVER! YES! Answers! I agree that Jack's naivete was rather convenient, but then again, most of the survivors are quite naive, with the notable exception of Sayid, who I've always found to be astute.

I also agree that Anthony Cooper (Locke's dad) is probably the real Mr. Sawyer. This would provide major closure for Sawyer's storyline. What I'm wondering though is whether Locke is going to have to be restrained by the Others from beating the life out of his dad...

This box is a very interesting development. I still think that hallucinations like Yemi and Jack's dad were caused by the Security System (monster) but things like Kate's horse may well have come from the box.

Overall, ***1/2 stars (the only reason it's not four is because we had nothing from the beach folks)

SaberBlade
March 22nd, 2007, 11:30 PM
Personally, I wouldn't really take this box thing to literally.

People are supposed to think of what they want, and then it appears. So who exactly on that island, especially from within the Others camp, would want Locke's father? I can't see even Locke wanting that because I do believe that Ben was right when he mentioned Locke's motive of staying on the island is down to his father not being able to find him, but at least partly because I do think that Locke has made the same choice and Bernard and Rose to stay on the Island no matter what happens. Because of this, I can't see Locke being in any way responsibe in his father turning up on the Island.

I also can't see Locke doing anything to his father let alone being held back. Locke could do nothing to his father when he took his kidney, when he thought that his father may have killed that young guy, he did nothing, and yet it all ended up in him being ****ed out an 8 story window. His father showing up on the island is more likey to push Locke into this pushover of a man who can't stand up for himself, at least until he does stand up for himself

ItsDan
March 23rd, 2007, 05:40 AM
since most of the unhappiness in Locke's life stems from his father

People having 'daddy issues' has been a theme throughout the entire show for just about every character. Even relatively new characters seem to have some of it such as Alex and Ben. I thought it was interesting the way Tom and Jack now almost have the beginnings of a father/son relationship starting.

unowhoandwhy
March 23rd, 2007, 07:20 AM
So who exactly on that island, especially from within the Others camp, would want Locke's father? I can't see even Locke wanting that ..


Ah, but it doesn't necessarily have to be one of the survivors. Ben is a master manipulator and I can completely see him wishing for something to tempt (or control) Locke with and having evil daddy show up nicely gift wrapped in restraints and a gag. Can't you?

There is nothing on this Earth that Locke seems more terrified of than his own father (and with good reason), but there is also nothing on this Earth (other than being able to walk) that Locke wants than to belong to a family and be happy. Why else would he give evil daddy chance after chance & still stick up for him, no matter what? It's because he knows that, no matter what his many flaws, the man is his father and he wants a father desperately.

FoolishPleasure
March 23rd, 2007, 10:02 AM
The "box" may not be an actual box. Ben said, "I'm gonna put this in a way you can understand so you can picture it" and John worked at a box company then. I think the word "box" is more metaphor.

ItsDan
March 23rd, 2007, 10:07 AM
I think it's a real box, and soon we will see Jack in the box :cameron:

Descent
March 23rd, 2007, 11:54 AM
I think everyone should stop taking both what Ben said and the box so literally. :P

lunarleviathan
March 23rd, 2007, 03:11 PM
I took the box to be one of Ben's mind games. Seems he's trying to play on John's beliefs about the island. By something he wanted, I think the gagged and ties to a chair was meant to imply that John prob wanted nothing more than to beat the crap out of him - possibly breaking his spine in the process. Hope he does.

There is a strong possibility of John joining the Others I think. I doubt he would ever do that permanently, but in a temporary act of selfishness I'm sure he'd try it out before realising most of the Others, that want to be there, are total nut jobs.

Anubis69
March 23rd, 2007, 04:56 PM
... I get the feeling this 3rd year is building to something and this "something" is going to be fantastic.

sgeureka
March 23rd, 2007, 07:24 PM
I thought the box was a metaphor for "Pandora's box". You just shouldn't open it. But Ben did, and then Locke did (by opening the door), and now Locke will have to suffer.

I'm probably wrong though.

Morbo
March 24th, 2007, 11:57 PM
no guys you've all got it wrong. Lost sucks now remember. its boring and confusing and its going to get cancelled.

Anonmatel
March 25th, 2007, 04:35 AM
Has anyone here read Flann O'briens "The Third Policeman"?

Well the producers of LOST said in season 1 if you read this book you would have a lot more ammunition when treorising about the show. I read it and frankly it did nothing for me... Until this episode.

One of the Policeman in this book made ever smaller boxes inside of each other. And more than that they have a substance called Ominium that can create whatever they desire. The only catch is that you cannot take it out of the box.

sgeureka
March 25th, 2007, 05:28 AM
Has anyone here read Flann O'briens "The Third Policeman"?

Well the producers of LOST said in season 1 if you read this book you would have a lot more ammunition when treorising about the show. I read it and frankly it did nothing for me... Until this episode. <snip>I'm not going to read your last paragraph (because it looks like a spoiler.)

I've been reading this book for about two months now, and I am stuck on page 150 (of 200). It's doing nothing for; it's confusing and I really don't see the point of it (De Selby, murder, bicyles, Joe?!). I've read that the end is supposed to be great though. If you say it's worth it, I'm going to give it another try the next time I ride the bus for an hour.

rarocks24
March 25th, 2007, 05:39 AM
IIRC, John's the next to die, per whats his name's prophecy, oh yea, Ecko's.

I'm beginning to wonder if this dude ties into it at all...

SaberBlade
March 25th, 2007, 12:36 PM
IIRC, John's the next to die, per whats his name's prophecy, oh yea, Ecko's.

I'm beginning to wonder if this dude ties into it at all...

I think Eko's prophecy was abot Locke dying. Wasn't it just to tell them what direction to go in (which in turn lead them to The Flame)?

Anonmatel
March 25th, 2007, 09:38 PM
I'm not going to read your last paragraph (because it looks like a spoiler.)

I've been reading this book for about two months now, and I am stuck on page 150 (of 200). It's doing nothing for; it's confusing and I really don't see the point of it (De Selby, murder, bicyles, Joe?!). I've read that the end is supposed to be great though. If you say it's worth it, I'm going to give it another try the next time I ride the bus for an hour.

There are no spoilers in this next paragraph :)
yeah sorry i should of wrapped it in spoiler tags.. Anyway i found it quite a hard book to read, because he uses so many (for the lack of a better word) BIG almost rhying words and really long sentences it's hard to read... I found it best to read the book out aloud and really really fast. And if you think you missed something then read it out aloud again... Maybe it's not a book you read in public but hey... it's a great ending and worth it.. kinda like i hope lost will be at the end.

Naonak
March 26th, 2007, 12:05 AM
That's three excellent episodes in a row now - Lost is definitely back on top form. And all the answers!

And now I'm annoyed, because next week's episode is back to the beach, and what the "talking extras" (Nikki and Paulo) have been up to until now. (But it does have Billy Dee Williams :))

warmbeachbrat
March 26th, 2007, 11:21 AM
I read somewhere that we don't get back to Locke for five more episodes....

unowhoandwhy
March 26th, 2007, 12:28 PM
And now I'm annoyed, because next week's episode is back to the beach, and what the "talking extras" (Nikki and Paulo) have been up to until now.

I wasn't that excited about the new additions, but I have a new appreciation for Paulo after seeing the actor who plays him play Xerxes in "300" ...of course, I didn't say it was anything other than a very shallow appreciation. ;) :D

Naonak
March 26th, 2007, 11:58 PM
I don't really have anything against them (just the bad way they were introduced), as long as they offer something important to the show, it's just that right now, I wanna see what happens with Locke.

Although the trailer here (http://losttrailers.blogspot.com/) has Locke/Jack etc. in it, so it might not be totally focused on the beach. (it's quite spoilery though, so you might not want to watch it, although it's probably hugely misleading like some of Lost's other trailers...)

Groove
March 27th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I have a theory. We know that everything in Lost is all somehow connected. Everyone is connected to someone else one way or another, so what are the chances of Locke's father being the original Sawyer? He did say that he's been a conman for a long time.I see a lot of haywire and silly theories on these forums.

That, my friend, is an absolutely brilliant one. Everyone seems connected in some manner and given that track record of most people being connected, it makes perfect sense.

cindyz
April 13th, 2007, 06:02 AM
Yet, still I wonder where Ben dug up Locke's father from. Brillant episode!

MmmmMcKAy
August 27th, 2008, 07:02 PM
Amazing episode!!!! One of my all time Lost favorites(so far).

Terry O'Quinn rocks!!!!:):):)

Dumper
September 27th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Excellent episode, but it really does look like the US has a problem with making windows, it seems in many TV series and movies that if you just push someone against a window they are almost guaranteed to go through it. :)