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Daniel Jackson
March 15th, 2007, 11:29 AM
With SG-1's finale having aired in the UK, I'd like to discuss series finales of various science-fiction shows. I'd like to discount movie finales, because they are movies, not episodes of the TV show, but mention of movie finales are welcome.

Star Trek: Enterprise "These Are the Voyages..."
There were four long-running story arcs: forshadowing of the foundation of the Federation, the Temporal Cold War, and the Xindi Saga. The Xindi saga ended in the Season 3 finale, and the Temporal Cold War ended in the second episode of Season 4. Lame ending, but an end nonetheless. The longest running arcs in Season 4 were trilogies. All that left to resolve was the foundation of the Federation. The Season 3 finale established that the event wouldn't happen for seven years (six years after Season 4), so we wouldn't see it happen on the show unless it lasted ten years or the finale flashed forward to that event. Logically, the producers decided to set the finale six years later. I was cool with this. What I thought was stupid was making this a lost TNG episode by setting it during TNG "The Pegasus" and focusing on Riker and Troi with the ENT crew as holograms. LAME! :rolleyes: All they had to do was focus on Archer's speech at the ceremony with a Romulan plot to assasinate Archer, and Shran could show up to warn him. The plot would have been simple, could be done in 42 minutes, and still shows us the foundation of the Federation. They ruined it by making it a TNG plot.

Star Trek "Turnabout Intruder"
In the 1960's, shows didn't have a series finale, they just ended with a regular episode. "Turnabout Intruder" was a pretty good episode to end with as it was mostly set on board the ship and had a really creepy plot. :eek: Fortunately, the show returned as a film series that concluded with The Undiscovered Country with Kirk's story being concluded in Generations.

Star Trek: The Next Generation "All Good Things..."
I loved this episode. Bringing back Q to tie this episode into the series premiere was an excellent idea! I enjoyed the time travel plot, because it allowed us a glimpse at a possible future for the crew with an upgraded Enterprise, and it allowed us to go back in time and see Natasha Yar who'd last been seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise." I was annoyed that the episode ended with a reset, but Picard remembers everything and told his senior staff about everything he experienced, so it wasn't a total reset and thus cool with me. I liked how it ended with the Enterprise in space, telling the audience that the adventure continues even if the TV show does not. Generations felt more like a series finale than "All Good Things..." did since the Ent-D was destroyed and Data finally got his emotion chip. A great movie that had me brealthless during the destruction of the Ent-D and with goose bumps during the last half hour with Picard and Kirk working together. :D First Contact provided a great climax to the Borg (for the Enterprise crew anyway) and showed first official contact between Humans and Aliens. Insurrection was nothing stellar, but it was a good movie and had the greatest cast chemestry. Nemesis was lame, but it is the last TNG adventure. I liked that Riker and Troi married and that Riker had finally accepted promotion to Captain, and Data would be the first officer. Unfortunately, Data died, but this brought more closure to TNG overall. In terms of character closure, my complaints are Dr. Crusher's subplot being editted out of the movie and Worf being back in Starfleet. It would have been better if they ackknowledged DS9's finale and kept Worf as an Ambassador in civilian clothes. His pressense on Earth could be explained as a vacation to relieve him of political stress or something like that. In the movie, Daniels (the new tactical/security guy from the previous two movies) could have offered Worf the tactical station for old time's sake.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine "What You Leave Behind"
I loved how they ended the show. They ended the war in the first half, then spent the second half saying goodbye to O'Brien, Worf, and Odo. There was also the whole Pah-Wraith thing that Sisko had to deal with. The original plan was to kill off Sisko, making his Prophet status permanent. I'm glad that he simply ascended (like DJ in SG-1, I guess) and promised his wife he'd return. At first, I felt like he abandoned his family, but then I realised it's just temporary. I like this one loose end as it would allow them to tell a stand-alone movie should one ever be made.

Star Trek: Voyager "Endgame"
The nature of the show didn't allow for long story arcs (the Kazon and Borg being exceptions), so all the finale had to do was bring Voyager home. I would have prefered B'Elanna giving birth and the Chakotay/Seven romance to have been featured in the penultimate episode so they could be expanded upon, allowing the finale to focus on Future Janeway, the final conflict with the Borg, and getting back to Earth. As it is, it's a very good episode indeed.

Stargate SG-1 "Unending"
I'm putting this in a spoiler box, since people will kill me if I spoil this episode. :eek:
I really liked this episode, but I thought it was absolutely stupid that the Asgard committed mass suicide. After everything Thor fought to survive, he committed suicide in the end, because he was sick? LAME! :rolleyes: I was hoping they'd be featured in Atlantis Season 4 where they work with the Atlantis Expedition to solve their genetic degredation problem. It could have been a continuation of the Asgard plot from SG-1's Season 5 finale "Revelations." So much for that... :rolleyes:
I look forward to The Ark of Truth and Continuum. :D

Roswell "Graduation"
Episodes leading up to the finale were intense and action packed, allowing this episode to focus on the characters saying goodbye to each other. Ultimately, it had a good ending. My only complaint was that Isabel didn't let Jesse come with her.

Firefly "Objects in Space"
FOX is stupid for cancelling this show. "Objects in Space" is a solid episode. It doesn't bring closure to the series, but it's one of the show's best episodes. The movie Serenity, however, brought great closure to the show's main plot: Crazy River.

kmiller1610
March 15th, 2007, 04:07 PM
Babylon 5: Sleeping in Light

Taped at the end of season 4 because the company was not sure if the show would get a fifth season, this show is a real tear jerker for fans of the show and probably a bit of a yawner for most everyone else. The episode takes place approximately 17 years in the future to the point where several major threads are brought to a close. The main male character in the show John Sheridan who gave his life to attack the home world of the shadows (in season 3) was revived by one of the old ones and given 20 years of life. This episode, which is roughly analagous to The Grey Havens from The Lord of the Rings, shows Sheridan saying goodbye to friends and his wife, Delenn, travelling to Babylon 5 which is about to be decommissioned and destroyed, then travels to the place where his coalition defeated the Shadows. Others of his inner circle then go to B5 where it is destroyed to keep it from being a nuisance.

If you loved B5 and bought the Delenn / Sheridan relationship, this was a wonderful ending. Since I worship Mira Furlan, who played Delenn and loved her character, I thought it was a poignant ending. Their pairing is a bit of a rarity in Sci Fi, a mature relationship that endures a long time.

Daniel Jackson
March 15th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Didn't B5 last five years? I'm guessing the episode was filmed as the Season 4 finale but wasn't shown until the Season 5 finale? :confused:

kmiller1610
March 15th, 2007, 04:30 PM
Didn't B5 last five years? I'm guessing the episode was filmed as the Season 4 finale but wasn't shown until the Season 5 finale? :confused:

Correct. I should have mentioned that. Which is why Ivanova is in it even though she was NOT in season 5 otherwise.

Daniel Jackson
March 15th, 2007, 04:41 PM
You said it was set in the future, so one could assume she left B5 between Seasons 4 and 5 and then returned between the penultimate episode and the final episode.

What do you think of the finales I posted about?

Elles
March 15th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Yup. Sleeping in Light was relatively depressing. I watched it earlier this week on my birthday because it was a Sunday.

To get rid of your confusion, Daniel Jackson, B5 was cancelled in season 4. They didn't think that there would be a fifth season so they filmed the last episode. Then TNT picked up B5, they didn't air Sleeping in Light, made a new season finale, and put Sleeping in Light at the end of season 5.

Daniel Jackson
March 15th, 2007, 05:57 PM
Sounds like SG-1 where the finale to Seasons 5-8 each could'a been a series finale. lol

Wordsmit2
March 15th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Doctor Who

"Survival" was one of those "you're enthralled the first time you see it, but when you see it again you see all the seams" episodes. The story works okay, but the editing of both script and final episode is messy, and as a season ender--never mind a show ender--it's a letdown.

Still, you can't beat that last scene of the Doctor and Ace walking away: "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea's asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold.

"Come on, Ace. We've got work to do"

Wordsmit2
March 15th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Sounds like SG-1 where the finale to Seasons 5-8 each could'a been a series finale. lol

Actually, I liked that. It's the only show except Babylon 5 in which I would watch season enders. (I don't do it any more, of course.) I have no patience with cliffhangers we have to wait more than a week to resolve, because they get so portentous and pretentious. They're obvious for the last half hour, they always run out of material so they're dragged out interminably, and the resolutions are usually so cheap. Or a cheat.

With Babylon 5 I loved it that they would save the "final four" of each season until four weeks before the new season began. But since Babylon 5's season ending episodes were always tied to the calendar it would have been weird to have to wait five months between December 31 and January 1.

kmiller1610
March 16th, 2007, 12:26 AM
You said it was set in the future, so one could assume she left B5 between Seasons 4 and 5 and then returned between the penultimate episode and the final episode.

What do you think of the finales I posted about?

Ivanova leaves B5 (the station) after the death of Marcus (end of season 4) and she appears in "Sleeping in Light" because Sheridan and Delenn know the end of the 20 year period is coming so they call all their friends to come to Minbar for a final get together. At that time, Ivanova is a higher up in earthforce, but at the pre-wake party, Delenn offers her the role of heading up the Rangers and Ivanova takes it.

I liked your summaries, though I am less of a Next Gen fan than you. I always liked the Voyager final because it provided a definite ending to the story. Next gen's finale was not really a final episode, since the movies continue the story of the crew. It was a very good show though and just as a show, it is among the best. Just as entertainment, Serenity is the best finale of any of them, but it is a movie, so that doesn't fit exactly.

Aussie_86
March 16th, 2007, 01:10 AM
Dark Angel


Season 2 was corny, until people started to find out about the genetically-modified things that look like people running around. The last 3 episodes or so saw that brought to a climax for the main characters, and then the show popped off the Earth because it was cancelled. Great ending to a crap season (although upon re-watching, i don't think S2 is that bad).

AGateFan
March 16th, 2007, 01:25 AM
Yup. Sleeping in Light was relatively depressing. I watched it earlier this week on my birthday because it was a Sunday.

To get rid of your confusion, Daniel Jackson, B5 was cancelled in season 4. They didn't think that there would be a fifth season so they filmed the last episode. Then TNT picked up B5, they didn't air Sleeping in Light, made a new season finale, and put Sleeping in Light at the end of season 5.
Both those finalies were awesome. The million years in the future ep would and sleeping in the night which was IMHO the best scifi series finally ever and I normally dont like emotional type stuff.

huntress
March 16th, 2007, 07:54 AM
The X-Files: The Truth

In my opinion one of the most dissapointing and worst ending for a show that had been amazing for seven whole seasons. It is basically Mulder sitting in front o fa so called "jury" and all they do is talk. Mulder after months of hiding, breaks into a secure underground military facility, attempting to crack a computer file called "Endgame". He is interrupted by a super-soldier thought long-dead by the FBI's X-Files division. During the scuffle, Mulder kills the soldier and is taken into custody by the military.

The FBI is maneuvered into allowing a clearly illegal secret military tribunal - staffed, ironically, by FBI operatives, to determine Mulder's guilt or innocence. Mulder welcomes the irregular proceeding as an opportunity to reveal "The Truth".

I haven't seen season nine and I never plan to do so, but from "The Truth" alone it was obvious, that the sorry mess that was called the "mythology arch" had reached an all time low in the ninth season. The season finale seemed like a desperate attempt of explain some of that the mess and explain why Mulder hasn't been there in the last season.

The only nice scene was the final one which was reminiscient to the very first motel night in the pilot and the one in "Requiem"

Phantom Limb
March 16th, 2007, 08:32 AM
The X-Files: The Truth

I haven't seen season nine and I never plan to do so, but from "The Truth" alone it was obvious, that the sorry mess that was called the "mythology arch" had reached an all time low in the ninth season. The season finale seemed like a desperate attempt of explain some of that the mess and explain why Mulder hasn't been there in the last season.

The only nice scene was the final one which was reminiscient to the very first motel night in the pilot and the one in "Requiem"

give season nine a chance it's not that bad there are some good stand alones, "improbable" inparticular.
i agree though "the truth" wasn't good and kirsch's presto chango alliegance annoyed me but to be honest i never liked the mythology story at all.

B5 was one of my favourite shows and both the finales were excellent i felt a bit sad when they blew up B5 (which in itself is quite a sad thing to admit:D )

"all good things" was brilliant i thought, bringing back Q and finishing a story started seven years ago, seeing a possible future but not making it seem contrived and having Tasha back and seeing the charcter change from Data season one to Data twenty five years hence, so well written, and a damn decent sci fi concept to boot.

and in stark contrast "endgame" voyagers finale was IMO god awful, from the downright selfishness of Janeways character to the video game logic of it all and batman shields! voyager was truely a sci fi series were there was no consiquences to your actions, Janeway should have been thrown in prison for creating a paradox like that, really really disapointing.

Angel's finale "not fade away" was good but ive only seen the crappy cut for tv version but it wraps up all the stories nicely and neatly and the ending was great, on a par with Quantum leaps ending (no going home for you sam beckett) or the end of the Prisoner (he's still on the island!, nooooooo!)
i love it when they do stuff like that, the darker the ending the more memorable finale's are, to me at least.

DS9's felt rushed and the less said about Enterpise the better, did anyone ever see Now and Again? not technically supposed to be the last episode im sure but it was still great, although left on a cliffhanger it was the culmination of the entire seasons stories and saw Mr wiseman escape for good, or did he?

does futurama count? it is sci fi "the devils hands are idle play things" was great, so funny and had the best song of the series, and its an opera!
the Leela/Fry relationship was dealt with beautifully, especially at the very end.

Daniel Jackson
March 16th, 2007, 10:04 AM
I liked your summaries, though I am less of a Next Gen fan than you. I always liked the Voyager final because it provided a definite ending to the story. Next gen's finale was not really a final episode, since the movies continue the story of the crew. It was a very good show though and just as a show, it is among the best. Just as entertainment, Serenity is the best finale of any of them, but it is a movie, so that doesn't fit exactly.
I liked VOY's finale, because it saw Voyager's return to Earth and showed a possible future for everyone.

While "All Good Things..." does not bring closure to TNG, it is the series finale, because the movies are not TV episodes. ;) I would say "All Good Things..." ends TNG as a TV series where as Nemesis ends TNG as a saga.

Of the finales I listed, if I were to pick a favorite, it would be "Endgame." :D

Daniel Jackson
March 16th, 2007, 10:19 AM
"all good things" was brilliant i thought, bringing back Q and finishing a story started seven years ago, seeing a possible future but not making it seem contrived and having Tasha back and seeing the charcter change from Data season one to Data twenty five years hence, so well written, and a damn decent sci fi concept to boot.
Agreed. :D


and in stark contrast "endgame" voyagers finale was IMO god awful, from the downright selfishness of Janeways character to the video game logic of it all and batman shields! voyager was truely a sci fi series were there was no consiquences to your actions, Janeway should have been thrown in prison for creating a paradox like that, really really disapointing.
I can understand disliking Admiral Janeway. Unfortunately, the only person you can truelly blame is Admiral Janeway, but she's dead.


DS9's felt rushed.
Why do you say that?

kmiller1610
March 16th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Why do you say that?

DS9 had very colorful characters and rather odd in many cases. It's one of the few shows where the white guys and gals without appliances do NOT dominate. So I could see them doing a three parter to end it. But really, the way the war on Cardassia was being wrapped up WHILE the fire caves were being flushed made it impossible to drag it out any more...... I mean Sisko went from Cardassia to a party to the caves in a rather short time period......

Daniel Jackson
March 16th, 2007, 01:57 PM
It was a nine-episode-arc that ended the war which is why only the first half of "What You Leave Behind" focused on the war.

huntress
March 16th, 2007, 03:55 PM
give season nine a chance it's not that bad there are some good stand alones, "improbable" inparticular.


Sorry no but I won't. The series ended for me with Mulder and Scully kissing and William between them - that ending was PERFECT (though I didn't like season eight and only saw half of it - those episodes with DD in them). I don't need to watch Dogbutt chasing aliens with his trusty sidekick ...what was her name again. Doesn't matter. For me the X-Files are and always have been Mulder and Scully and the attempt to surplant them with new agents thankfully didn't sit well with most if the fans. I felt very gleeful when the show was canceled but mostly angry at Chris Carter.

I rather liked the ending of DS9. It gave the series closure and the journey of Benjamin Sisko has finally ended (or should we rather say started?) The scene in which a slightly mellancholly yet peaceful Kira stands and looks out of the window from her new office. I loved that. And old era has ended, a new era has started.

I also loved the ending of BS5 and I hope for an equally dramatic and satisfying ending for BSG :)

"All Good Things..." was nice because it wasn't really an ending at all. I loved how Picard at the end sat down with his people to play Poker. The series finale has simply given us a glimpse how things might or might not turn out at the end.

The ending from Voyager was messy and confusing and pissed many fans off. Chakotay ending up with Seven - so wrong and I was dissapointed that we didn't see how the crew would be welcomed home. I had so looked forward to the encounter of Tom with his dad. What would his father say when he sees his son back in unform and also having a wife who is half-klingon and a little daughter. Alas we saw nothing.

I didn't care for "Enterprise" and hence didn't care much for the finale. I saw it but didn't think of it much. Like the series it didn't leave an impression on me.

Dark Angel: Finally when things started to get interesting the show was canceled. The series finale was clearly meant only as a season finale

I hated it that we never got a proper ending for "Hercules". At least "Xena" was sent of with some style but not much. Why did Xena have to die? I would have liked it so much better with her and Gabi riding into the sunset together, hinting more adventures...only we won't see them .

Phantom Limb
March 16th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Why do you say that?

i probably should have gone into detail on that one to:cameron:
it felt rushed in a character sense, the plot like you say had, had a big story arc that culminated in "what you leave behind" but all the characters in the show rushed off to be somewhere else as quickly as they could.
O'brien went to Earth, Worf became an ambassador (so why was he on the Enterprise in Nemesis with no explanation, as a starfleet officer, grrrrr) Odo left for his people, Rom became grand Nagus it all happened really suddenly and with no relevence to the plot it was entirely circumstancial, they could have stayed on DS9 a while longer or not left or been re-assigned all at once!
just felt like they were trying to wrap it all up quickly before the credits roled.

Phantom Limb
March 16th, 2007, 06:04 PM
Sorry no but I won't. The series ended for me with Mulder and Scully kissing and William between them - that ending was PERFECT (though I didn't like season eight and only saw half of it - those episodes with DD in them). I don't need to watch Dogbutt chasing aliens with his trusty sidekick ...what was her name again. Doesn't matter. For me the X-Files are and always have been Mulder and Scully and the attempt to surplant them with new agents thankfully didn't sit well with most if the fans. I felt very gleeful when the show was canceled but mostly angry at Chris Carter.

i agree that series eight was arse but they pulled it back for s9 i'm serious theres no harm in trying, nothing ventured nothing gained:D
and to just not watch it because there are new people in it well, pardon my french but thats just plain ignorance guv'nor but then again ignorance is bliss. (must...........stop........writing........cliche's....)



I didn't care for "Enterprise" and hence didn't care much for the finale. I saw it but didn't think of it much. Like the series it didn't leave an impression on me.

perfect description, just that sentence, it was a show that forever stayed in your peripheral vision, not one part of it made you take notice.

Krichton
March 17th, 2007, 04:31 AM
No scifi show has had a better series finale than Farscape. Finales are often not very good.

Oreo
March 17th, 2007, 10:28 AM
No scifi show has had a better series finale than Farscape. Finales are often not very good.


Odyssey 5 had the best one and it will never have an ending because SHowtime is worse than Fox!

Good guys are bad, bad ones are good, the Government blew the planet up, a main charater is kidnapped and another main charater is arrested for her murder.

huntress
March 18th, 2007, 05:18 AM
You gotta love the ending of "Space: Above and Beyond". Very consequential because everyone is killed off.

Gwin
March 18th, 2007, 11:54 AM
The series final of Farscape (Bad Timing, not PK Wars) stands out for me as a painful episode where things went horribly wrong mainly because of one thoughtless comment of Crichton one or two episodes before. And that is beyond cruelness.
The final represents the spirit of the whole series perfectly, things looking good, going bad, worse, a perfectly choreographed dance between entire joy and uttlery darkness, beautiful and sad character moments, rendered possible by an outstanding performance by everyone.

And I'm shivering even when I'm only thinking of D'Argos scream in the end. :eek: