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BC - 303
March 2nd, 2007, 03:06 AM
What set Atlantis off from SG1, was it wasnt just "America owns the gate, never trust Russians", it was multinational. But by the end of season 3 thats kinda died, With Grodin death, and Beckets death, the only main/ semi main character who isn't from USA or Canada is Zelenka, not exactly the "multinational show" that season 1 suggested it would be. (Ronan and Teyla are not counted)
You do on occasion see other nationalities in the background, but all the characters who come back for episodes after episodes, theres all US or Canadian.
So is it just me who thinks season 4 should have some other nationality reinforcement semi-main characters.

kefke20
March 2nd, 2007, 03:09 AM
i totaly agee more Non US & canada personel
preferns nato allis and rusia and china

SmallTimePerson
March 2nd, 2007, 03:29 AM
What about the ANZUS treaty members?

g.o.d
March 2nd, 2007, 03:41 AM
why?There's a czech character.I don't need more:)

P-90_177
March 2nd, 2007, 04:04 AM
Definately. Give us Brits. LOTS of Brits. Give us a whole Frakking team!!!!!!

On top of that I guess some other nationalities might be some use....

Seriously though I refuse to believe that the best and brightest is basically all Canadian, America and one chezch.

Klenotka
March 2nd, 2007, 04:30 AM
hehe, I remember when was DN here in Czech Republic, someone asked him this question. He answered that "I am Czech so they think that I represent the international team", he was joking but is it weird, true. He also said that there are people with different flags but they are Canadians or Americans. The upside down German flag is proof that they have no idea what country they represent :rolleyes:
But I can say that I am more than happy that from all acutal present countries is it Czech Republic *proud patriot in me*:cameron:

I think if someone, so not from English speaking country (sorry Brits:o )
Russians (why there are not any btw.?), China or France. Countries which knew about existence of SG programme before all others? Or Germany?

travis
March 2nd, 2007, 04:57 AM
I agree we need more of a mix. I like to see more of China personel as they do have the man power.

bniblett
March 2nd, 2007, 05:01 AM
well, from a military standpoint, the americans are running it, so thats why there are so many americans.

i think i've only seen 2 regular canadian flags (McKay & the gateroom tech guy).

And as for the international personal, a lot has been dying off lately now that you mention it.

although in real life it would be great to see, the show is technically made in canada for an american audience (and showed in other countries in europe and canada), thats why there are that many more canadians / americans.

Commander Ivanova
March 2nd, 2007, 05:16 AM
What we need are more main cast characters along the lines of Chekov and Sulu.

Jersey13
March 2nd, 2007, 06:26 AM
Even as an American myself, I tend to whole-heartedly agree. I mean, most of us American women simply can't help but thunk for cute foreign guys with accents anyway, even if their accent's are actually fake. But alas... Perhaps the boys in charge think they're expendable simply because American men don't tend to care for accents as much as women. I'm admittedly a proud Beckett-thunker, and I think if they just had a wider variety of representative characters, it might also allow for some really awesome story-telling. A good number of people in America and Canada really do like exploring and seeing the varying perspectives and lifestyle differences of foreigners, but the writers in charge just don't seem to care at all.

Willow'sCat
March 2nd, 2007, 07:42 AM
Aw, come on surely you have seen the random "extras" wearing an insignia from your country! *Australia has about 5 now* Isn't that enough? [/sarcasm]

I would say yes to writing in more "foreigners" but sadly they always seem to be played as fools somehow, even Zelenka at times. I say be careful what you wish for.

I know I am still getting over "Eureka's" interpretation of an Australian *shudders* but then the one on House is good, as he is an Australian actor and it is not big deal and I don't think I have heard him say crikey once. ;)

prion
March 2nd, 2007, 08:45 AM
Aw, come on surely you have seen the random "extras" wearing an insignia from your country! *Australia has about 5 now* Isn't that enough? [/sarcasm]

I would say yes to writing in more "foreigners" but sadly they always seem to be played as fools somehow, even Zelenka at times. I say be careful what you wish for.

I know I am still getting over "Eureka's" interpretation of an Australian *shudders* but then the one on House is good, as he is an Australian actor and it is not big deal and I don't think I have heard him say crikey once. ;)

I think 'foreigners' will be in teh background always, or they kill them. I mean, if you're Russian, you're just counting down the minutes till you're killed on a Stargate show.

jenks
March 2nd, 2007, 08:57 AM
Yeah foreigners will probably be the red shirts, we've had two Brits already and they've both died!

ussrelativity
March 2nd, 2007, 09:41 AM
I wonder if we'll ever see someone from India in Atlantis.

J_B
March 2nd, 2007, 10:40 AM
The problem with this is that it isn't real life!

It's only targeted towards the US audience. Hence, if they turned it into the U.N that will probably turn off a lot of their mainstream target audience.

Sure it would probably grow interest in other countries because they'll see people from their own country representing them etc. However as seen with SG-1, the rest of the world isn't really taken into account. They could easily have broadcast S11 worldwide, then released it online in the US. With perhaps a DVD every month containing 4/5 eps to let them catch up quickly etc rather than waiting till everyone else has seen it first, before releasing the entire S11 on box set. That way nobody gets left out & everyone all pretty much sees it at the same time.

Do this for a couple of seasons until the Sci-Fi contract expires. Then take it to another US network. However they didn;t.

Therefore it's an American show, targeted towards a US audience. They won't jeopardise that to make it more 'real'. If they turn off their target audience, then the show will be no more. It's as simple as that!

Perhaps if Sky bought a license from MGM or whatever, then made their own UK based show. They could do it, but while it's being done by MGM & targeted towards a US audience. They'll always be in charge & have the largest populations on the show.

nonniemous
March 2nd, 2007, 10:48 AM
Perhaps the boys in charge think they're expendable simply because American men don't tend to care for accents as much as women.

Given recent casting changes, it's obvious that the target audience for SGA season 4 is white American males. That seems to be the only demographic in which Skiffy is interested, and the [email protected] are following right along. So yeah, they're going to go for "safe, white-bread America" casting, which means white girls for the white boys to watch bounce across the screen.

Expect the next new cast member to be the Barbie replica from "Inferno," or, if they decide to at least try to retain their "multinational" expedition premise, they'll bring in some random, generic, bombshell Eastern European actress. White enough to appeal to their target demographic and the accent to make her "exotic" and the expedition "multi-national." It's all part of the dumbing down and sexing up of SGA to sell it to Skiffy for two more seasons.

I didn't always agree with JMS, but you have to admire a guy who walked away from a sure thing TV show rather than sex it up and mutilate his characters the way TPTB wanted him to.

Klenotka
March 2nd, 2007, 12:07 PM
I think MGM and the others shouldn´t forget that big share in SG viewers are people outside US and Canada.
UK, Germany, even here, in this tiny little country, we lose our money for buying DVD´s and other expensive staff.

parisindy
March 2nd, 2007, 02:54 PM
its nice having a lot of canadians on a show.. that never happens except on the CBC

but agreed i liked the mulitnationalism of show

i'll miss carson

Major Tyler
March 2nd, 2007, 03:00 PM
I'd like to see more Finns and Flemings, oh, and a couple Bulgarians. :)

jenks
March 2nd, 2007, 03:22 PM
I'd like to see more of any nationality, aslong as they get decent actors and don't stick to stereotypes...

Will Thorne
March 2nd, 2007, 06:42 PM
What about the ANZUS treaty members?

Im all for that, less Background Aussies and more Foreground Aussies, and New Zealanders!

cshawzye
March 2nd, 2007, 08:33 PM
Definitely. I loved the international sense that Atlantis had in season 1. An expedition as large as Atlantis' really should be staffed/run by the best and the brightest from all over the world.

Ripple in Space
March 2nd, 2007, 08:42 PM
What set Atlantis off from SG1, was it wasnt just "America owns the gate, never trust Russians", it was multinational. But by the end of season 3 thats kinda died, With Grodin death, and Beckets death, the only main/ semi main character who isn't from USA or Canada is Zelenka, not exactly the "multinational show" that season 1 suggested it would be. (Ronan and Teyla are not counted)
You do on occasion see other nationalities in the background, but all the characters who come back for episodes after episodes, theres all US or Canadian.
So is it just me who thinks season 4 should have some other nationality reinforcement semi-main characters.

Torri has a very noticeable Canadian accent, was Wier supposed to be native to America, or a dual-citizen?

Yeah, the show set out to be multinational, and every interview I read said that they'd take an emphasis away from the military. They wanted it to be a civilian show, but every season draws them closer & closer to the military. It seems like S4 is going to be pure military....

Mitchell82
March 2nd, 2007, 09:35 PM
Yeah it'd be nice to have more international personell to add more variety.

sparkygate
March 2nd, 2007, 10:41 PM
There should be MORE AUSSIES in atlantis or with the australian patchs, i mean come on!!! We havent seen an australian patch yet or better yet get an australian to play an important role in atlantis!!!

Will Thorne
March 2nd, 2007, 11:19 PM
There should be MORE AUSSIES in atlantis or with the australian patchs, i mean come on!!! We havent seen an australian patch yet or better yet get an australian to play an important role in atlantis!!!

I've seen a couple of Australia patches. Only two I can remember at the moment is one checking the MALP in 'Rising' and a random gate tech in an ep that has escaped my mind at the moment.

Bragi
March 3rd, 2007, 01:14 AM
The show's produced in Canada. . . . . . . . . why is it surprising to anyone here that a show produced in Canada has SHOCK mostly Canadian actors!?

Hello fandom, my name's Common Sense.

kefke20
March 3rd, 2007, 04:34 AM
I'd like to see more Finns and Flemings, oh, and a couple Bulgarians. :)

you want to see some Flemings and no wadolonians (people from wadolnia the soudern part of belgum) how is thad.


what i wand to see some dutch hardcore comando`s

g.o.d
March 3rd, 2007, 06:15 AM
you want to see some Flemings and no wadolonians (people from wadolnia the soudern part of belgum) how is thad.


what i wand to see some dutch hardcore comando`s

a hardocore commandos??who's that?pornstars??:D

greybeard33
March 3rd, 2007, 06:36 AM
G'day,
I could not agree more strongly. As an Australian the first thing I noted with the show was a lack of any Aussies! Australia is a big consumer of Science Fiction, with what I assume is a large fan base. At least 1 character being from Australia would not kill anyone, and would probably allow the writers to throw in a few jokes about Kangaroo's and "how much can a Koala bear?" etc... and from what I can ascertain (having spoken with many US residents)the accent of the typical Australian is hard to miss. They did it with Vala in SG1...so why not now?? Here's hoping....Cheers

Major Tyler
March 3rd, 2007, 07:15 AM
you want to see some Flemings and no wadolonians (people from wadolnia the soudern part of belgum) how is thad.Flemings were the coolest people I have ever met! If I wasn't American, I'd want to be Flemish. :D
They're the reason I started learning Dutch.

The Walloons were nice enough, but a bit distant toward non-francophones. Most Bruxelloise were mean to me because I don't speak French very well. :(

kefke20
March 3rd, 2007, 07:49 AM
Flemings were the coolest people I have ever met! If I wasn't American, I'd want to be Flemish. :D
They're the reason I started learning Dutch.

The Walloons were nice enough, but a bit distant toward non-francophones. Most Bruxelloise were mean to me because I don't speak French very well. :(

i nknow what you mean. but do you speak dutch now with a flemings acent?

jenks
March 3rd, 2007, 09:14 AM
The show's produced in Canada. . . . . . . . . why is it surprising to anyone here that a show produced in Canada has SHOCK mostly Canadian actors!?

Hello fandom, my name's Common Sense.

Haven't you been reading this thread? No one is shocked that there are Canadian actors, people would just like to see more characters that aren't from either Canada or the US.

Major Tyler
March 3rd, 2007, 10:25 AM
i nknow what you mean. but do you speak dutch now with a flemings acent?LOL, I'm pretty sure my accent is completely American, but I practiced Dutch with my Flemish friends, so it probably has a Flemish flavor.

I've noticed that the Dutch seem to enunciate more (ex. alstublieft is pronounced "all-stuub-leeft"), whereas Flemish is more rushed (ex. alstublieft is more like "ah-shu-bleef").

Anubis-
March 3rd, 2007, 10:57 AM
I'd like to see more Finns and Flemings, oh, and a couple Bulgarians. :)

More Finns? Are in SGA be person from Finland? Or do you mean Finns = Finland / finnish?

Major Tyler
March 3rd, 2007, 11:13 AM
More Finns? Are in SGA be person from Finland? Or do you mean Finns = Finland / finnish?In English, "Finnish" is an adjective describing something as having qualities relating to Finland (i.e. Finnish sauna, Finnish meal, etc.). The term "Finns" is a proper noun meaning "a person from Finland."

aaobuttons
March 3rd, 2007, 11:32 AM
I'm all for more non-US members. We do seem to be getting an overload of US peeps around.

kefke20
March 3rd, 2007, 11:39 AM
LOL, I'm pretty sure my accent is completely American, but I practiced Dutch with my Flemish friends, so it probably has a Flemish flavor.

I've noticed that the Dutch seem to enunciate more (ex. alstublieft is pronounced "all-stuub-leeft"), whereas Flemish is more rushed (ex. alstublieft is more like "ah-shu-bleef").

that is more depending on the Province of origon. in evry Province the dailect is difrent. im a brabander (south netherlands) so my dailect is more flemish with a soft g than hollandic dialect spoken in amsterdam.
and in limburg the dialect gos towrods german.

Semmer
March 3rd, 2007, 02:19 PM
I'd like to see more Finns and Flemings, oh, and a couple Bulgarians. :)When you say "more Finns" you mean that there has been a Finlands flag in someones arm?! Which episode?!

Anyway. I wan't to see more Finnish people represented in Atlantis. Best thing would be to even include one person to actually do something for the plot, not just sit in the control room, like our loved neightbour Sweden... :mckay:

Mitchell82
March 3rd, 2007, 02:22 PM
I'm all for more non-US members. We do seem to be getting an overload of US peeps around.

Yeah we need more international personell if just to please the IOA and fans.

caty
March 3rd, 2007, 03:57 PM
I'd love to see a more internationalized expedition... But only if they do it right...

Somebody on here has already mentioned it, but if they use international personnel that stands around at the gate, whoever is responsible for it in production should at least bother to get the flag the right way up :S If they can't do that, I'd rather have all American and Canadian expedition members...

RepliHawk
March 4th, 2007, 05:11 PM
I'd love to see a more internationalized expedition...

Me too

doylefan22
March 5th, 2007, 05:18 AM
Whilst I can understand to a point the argument for having US military personnel, there's no real reason why the science and medical teams can't have more nationalities in it. After all that was one of the original premises of the show.

huntress
March 5th, 2007, 05:23 AM
ITA....we could start with getting Carson back, that would mean one more character that is neither Canadian nor American, hey and how about someone from Germany but this time with the flag not upside down?

vaberella
March 5th, 2007, 07:53 AM
I'd like to see a Haitian military official myself. Shoot, we could name her Sgt. Vab Erella--marine of course. I like being labeled a jarhead, better than squid!

Oh wait darn, Haitian military didn't have a marines, even though American trained and created (pretty much :() Shoot we don't even have a military, any more (not really, anyway). Okay, let's say we did have a military I'd be in the Army, because we did have that.

Are there any French military officials in Atlantis, I don't remember seeing one? I need a french speaker to communicate with. Belgian? French? French Canadian? Swiss? --for my French

Where is my Martinique , St. Lucia, Mauritius/Seychelles, Republic of Dominica? --For my creole, I need to get my groove on with my peeps. We need some Caribbean flavor (minus M/S).

I wonder if there are any other people of Caribbean descent on this board...:confused:

carterrocks
March 6th, 2007, 01:58 AM
What we need are more main cast characters along the lines of Chekov and Sulu.


Sorry i'm not replying to what you said im replying to your smileys underneath your picture, "Ronnan shooting Sam"....Sam would kick his ass!:sam: :samanime15: :ronan:

huntress
March 6th, 2007, 02:12 AM
Well Jason Mamoa is from Hawaii and Hawaiian descent that is enough island folks for me, but I don't think we have anyone from France...not that I am at least aware of.

The Great Lord Baal
March 6th, 2007, 02:18 AM
We need some irish people

DarthNick
March 6th, 2007, 04:29 AM
that is more depending on the Province of origon. in evry Province the dailect is difrent. im a brabander (south netherlands) so my dailect is more flemish with a soft g than hollandic dialect spoken in amsterdam.
and in limburg the dialect gos towrods german.

Oh man, you crack me up. My native language isn't even English but reading your stuff is funny as hell as i try to figure out what your trying to say. No offence, but we have pretty good english in school, what happened?

So your from Brabant? Near Tilburg or Breda somewhere? I'm from Limburg anyways, with the more "german" influence.


Anyways, as i have said in many topics before. The target audience of the show might be US/Canada. But the internet opens up the show to the rest of the world at the same time as the US. So making it more international would be a good idea.

Back in the pre commercial internet days, shows like the A-team, Airwolf etc etc where briliant, because in those days people still looked up to the US. Hell, i was a super fan of all those show, new every episode, knew the theme songs by heart. My favorite toys where Gi Joe (god i miss those guys). But now... i'm sorry i'm afraid that i'm loosing my respect for the US as a country.

To all you US readers, don't get me wrong, i don't know any of you personal so i can't say anything about you, i base my opinion on what your country is doing in the world today, hate me for it, but that's my opinion.

So, more nationalities on SGA !!

kefke20
March 6th, 2007, 07:12 AM
Oh man, you crack me up. My native language isn't even English but reading your stuff is funny as hell as i try to figure out what your trying to say. No offence, but we have pretty good english in school, what happened?

So your from Brabant? Near Tilburg or Breda somewhere? I'm from Limburg anyways, with the more "german" influence.




ik ben dislecties, mijn leraren lachen hun eigen ook kapot als ze mijn proefwerk moeten na kijken

maar ik weet niet maar als bij mijn naam de efteling bij staat dan is het niet zo moelijk waar ik van dan kom:daniel:

Cpn. Chris(tine) Bowman
March 6th, 2007, 10:08 AM
I want to see French people, and not stereotyped the way Americans always do them. There hasn't been a single French flag on the show! This is very odd considering France was one of the countries in "Disclosure". You'd think those countries that were there would be highly visible. It's all plot. We like plot.

I also agree that the show is getting farther and farther away from the civilian side of things. Weir relies too much on the military which is also odd considering how she's supposed not to like them so much. You'd think she'd try everything civilian friendly solution before turning to the guns.

DarthNick
March 6th, 2007, 12:22 PM
ik ben dislecties, mijn leraren lachen hun eigen ook kapot als ze mijn proefwerk moeten na kijken

maar ik weet niet maar als bij mijn naam de efteling bij staat dan is het niet zo moelijk waar ik van dan kom:daniel:


Efteling roeleert :)

Anyways, if you need any help with translating something please feel free to e-mail me.

kefke20
March 6th, 2007, 12:48 PM
Efteling roeleert :)

Anyways, if you need any help with translating something please feel free to e-mail me.

ja is goed jo ik zal er aan denken (ps, die amerikanen hoeven niet alles lezen:mckay: )

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 6th, 2007, 01:27 PM
ik ben dislecties, mijn leraren lachen hun eigen ook kapot als ze mijn proefwerk moeten na kijken

maar ik weet niet maar als bij mijn naam de efteling bij staat dan is het niet zo moelijk waar ik van dan kom:daniel:

its ok to be dyslexic on a message board, no one really checks spelling anyway, as long as they get the idea of what you're trying to say!

but back to the topic.... we need more Welsh people in Atlantis! I say more even though i havent seen any yet!

jenks
March 6th, 2007, 01:32 PM
its ok to be dyslexic on a message board, no one really checks spelling anyway, as long as they get the idea of what you're trying to say!

but back to the topic.... we need more Welsh people in Atlantis! I say more even though i havent seen any yet!

I've seen a few soldiers with Union Jacks on their shoulders, one of them could be Welsh.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 6th, 2007, 01:36 PM
They could also be English or Scottish. Beckett had a Scottish flag on his uniform, why do the English and Welsh have to have Union Flags?

jenks
March 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM
They could also be English or Scottish. Beckett had a Scottish flag on his uniform, why do the English and Welsh have to have Union Flags?

Because TPTB screwed up.

PG15
March 6th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Or because he's a civillian?

jenks
March 6th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Or because he's a civillian?

Wasn't Grodin a civilian?

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 6th, 2007, 02:36 PM
Wiers a civilian and has the same flag as Sheppard. if there are different flags for civilian and military shouldnt Wier have the flag of whichever State she's from?

I always thought the flags on the uniforms were to show where the characters are from, not to differentiate between military and civilian characters.

jenks
March 6th, 2007, 02:49 PM
Wiers a civilian and has the same flag as Sheppard. if there are different flags for civilian and military shouldnt Wier have the flag of whichever State she's from?

I always thought the flags on the uniforms were to show where the characters are from, not to differentiate between military and civilian characters.

They are, Scotland is a country within the UK, like England, Wales or Northern Ireland. It would make more sense for Beckett to have a British Flag on his shoulder, but I think TPTB were trying to get across the point that he's Scottish.

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 6th, 2007, 03:03 PM
i thought the accent gave that away? he even said he was from Scotland in 'poisoning the well'!

PG15
March 6th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Wasn't Grodin a civilian?


Wiers a civilian and has the same flag as Sheppard. if there are different flags for civilian and military shouldnt Wier have the flag of whichever State she's from?

I always thought the flags on the uniforms were to show where the characters are from, not to differentiate between military and civilian characters.

Well, the argument I heard was, if you're civllian, you'll get to choose the flag you want (within reason).

Major Tyler
March 7th, 2007, 04:54 AM
Well, the argument I heard was, if you're civllian, you'll get to choose the flag you want (within reason).That's what TPTB said, and it makes perfect sense to me. If that crazy civilian hippie wants to wear a peace sign as a flag...whatever. He just better bathe.

SaberBlade
March 7th, 2007, 11:32 AM
Well, the argument I heard was, if you're civllian, you'll get to choose the flag you want (within reason).

Well that's a fairly good reason to explain Grodin and Beckett with different flags. It would give naturalised citizens the choice of having their home country and their birth country as their flag so it would add to the whole diversity of countries taking part rather than everyone being from one the 5 primary nations taking part in the SGC.

However it doesn't really explain why military personnel can have different flags.

jenks
March 7th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Because they're from different countries. Carson and Grodin were both British, it's just strange that one of them wears the British flag and the other wears the Scottish one. Surely it would make more sense that either they both wear the British flag or one wears he Scottish and the other wears the English.

Team SG-1*save the show*
March 7th, 2007, 12:38 PM
we need more brits there. i would like beckett back and see an irish soldier etc.. that would be funny, i love scottish and irish accents lol:) oh and a person from england (not posh talking lol)

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 7th, 2007, 01:47 PM
maybe a scouse or a geordie? would be good to see someone from the north of england in a tv show, but its rare even in britain, so what are the chances in an american show?

MechaThor
March 7th, 2007, 01:59 PM
maybe a scouse or a geordie? would be good to see someone from the north of england in a tv show, but its rare even in britain, so what are the chances in an american show?

Hay it worked on RED DWARF! Lister was a northerner


They are, Scotland is a country within the UK, like England, Wales or Northern Ireland. It would make more sense for Beckett to have a British Flag on his shoulder, but I think TPTB were trying to get across the point that he's Scottish.

I am English and i am not 100% sure if this is true but my m8 told me the reason when i asked him.

Apparently they flags are diffrent as Scotland has its own army or regements. However i am douting its even more as while typing i asked my dad and he said No. But i belive it is something along them lines. If i am wrong not blame me blame my friend Mike.

SaberBlade
March 7th, 2007, 02:00 PM
Because they're from different countries. Carson and Grodin were both British, it's just strange that one of them wears the British flag and the other wears the Scottish one. Surely it would make more sense that either they both wear the British flag or one wears he Scottish and the other wears the English.

They are from different countries, but Beckett wore the Scotland flag and Grodin wore United Kingdom flag, but he should have worn the England flag. If anything, Grodin should have worn the St. George's Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_England.svg) since Beckett used the St. Andrew's Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Scotland.svg). Being civilians and being able to pick their nations own flag or the flag that represents all of the UK would be a good reason to explain this. Since the Union Jack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg) is worn by Grodin, it would suggest he's from Northern Ireland rather than England because the Union Jack is the official Northern Ireland flag. As such, he was wearing the wrong flag because both should have been wearing the Union Jack if they were both representing the UK

Pharaoh Hamenthotep
March 7th, 2007, 02:02 PM
red dwarf is one of my favourite tv shows! :) shame its not on anymore.

nonniemous
March 9th, 2007, 06:17 AM
Well, the argument I heard was, if you're civllian, you'll get to choose the flag you want (within reason).

McGillion has said before that it was a costume department decision to put the St. Andrew's cross on his uniform. I'm guessing someone in that department is a fan of devolution.

squeakytoad
March 9th, 2007, 07:04 AM
This is silly. There have been, and still are, tons of other nationalities on Stargate. Some of the main characters (and greatest characters) have been non-American/Canadian. And there are still non-Americans/Canadians in main roles.
You don't just add someone to the series because you think you need more of that nationality.
They only introduce new characters when a need arises for them.

On top of that, you also have to remember that Stargate is primarily created for an American and Canadian audience.
You also have to remember, that despite all the British here thinking the entire show should conform to have British this British that, the American and Canadian viewing audience far outnumbers the British viewing audience.

I mean, look at the British shows. There are hardly any Americans or Canadians in main roles on most of them.
That's because they're not created for an American or Canadian audience.

jenks
March 9th, 2007, 08:43 AM
It's made for an American audience, not a Canadian one, the only reason there are lots of Canadian actors is because it is made in Canada. I'm sure British viewers outnumber Canadian ones. I aren't too bothered about seeing more British characters to be honest, we've already had two, one being a main character, but it would still be nice to see.

kefke20
March 9th, 2007, 10:18 AM
I like to see some dutch characters
at least some figurants with the dutch flag patch

Major Tyler
March 9th, 2007, 10:45 AM
I like to see some dutch characters
at least some figurants with the dutch flag patchThat would be cool...so far the only non-American military personnel we have seen are Canadian, German, and Zimbabwean.

The Zimbabwean was called "Captain" by Col. Everett, so he's a pretty high-ranking non-American.

ChelApophis
March 9th, 2007, 12:08 PM
I would definetly like to see some french in the show, as a proud inhabitant of France that I am!;) ( hope they won't put them a croissant for breakfast each morning , we do eat other things!!!!!!!)
Some more british , scotish and irish people would also be very nice!

Caldwell's 2IC
March 9th, 2007, 12:20 PM
Meet Dr. Rodolfo Neri Vela. He was a crewmwmber of the spaceshuttle "Atlantis" flight in 1985. Proudly Mexican ! http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/sheish/colcalfg5.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/sheish/nerivela.jpg

Major Tyler
March 9th, 2007, 12:24 PM
It would be cool to see a Mexican or other Latin Americans on Atlantis. It seems that Latin America gets sidelined when it comes to international politics.

jenks
March 9th, 2007, 12:43 PM
I would definetly like to see some french in the show, as a proud inhabitant of France that I am!;) ( hope they won't put them a croissant for breakfast each morning , we do eat other things!!!!!!!)
Some more british , scotish and irish people would also be very nice!

Scottish people are British ;)

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Because they're from different countries. Carson and Grodin were both British, it's just strange that one of them wears the British flag and the other wears the Scottish one. Surely it would make more sense that either they both wear the British flag or one wears he Scottish and the other wears the English.

I think it makes more sense for each person to wear the flag that represents the country they are from.

jenks
March 9th, 2007, 02:31 PM
I think it makes more sense for each person to wear the flag that represents the country they are from.

They are both from Britain. One is from Scotland, the other from England.

kefke20
March 9th, 2007, 03:50 PM
That would be cool...so far the only non-American military personnel we have seen are Canadian, German, and Zimbabwean.

The Zimbabwean was called "Captain" by Col. Everett, so he's a pretty high-ranking non-American.

the german are thay aloud to have (respecteble) army (after ww1 and ww2).
i know in the times of the cold war, when the russians invade west gemany
the dutch army was to send out to defend and hold it for 1 day so the amircans and the britich armd forces cold crossover the sea.

nou the amricans and we still have bassis in germany and are responseble fore the mutch of thare airspace.

Major Tyler
March 9th, 2007, 04:22 PM
the german are thay aloud to have (respecteble) army (after ww1 and ww2).Absolutely! It was actually encouraged so that West Germany could join NATO.

squeakytoad
March 9th, 2007, 05:32 PM
It's made for an American audience, not a Canadian one, the only reason there are lots of Canadian actors is because it is made in Canada. I'm sure British viewers outnumber Canadian ones. I aren't too bothered about seeing more British characters to be honest, we've already had two, one being a main character, but it would still be nice to see.

It's sort of made for both. When it comes to entertainment, Canada and the US share just about everything.


I would definetly like to see some french in the show, as a proud inhabitant of France that I am!;)

No. Never the French. Anyone else. Not the French.
Sure, in every nationality you'll find people that hate Americans, but every French person I've ever met does (and they're also usually incredibly arrogant). Every single one of my American friends or relatives who's been to France was treated like garbage by at least several dozen people there.
All the French media does is diss America.
What's up with that?
Either I've just been unlucky and heard all the wrong stories and had all the bad experiences, or the stereotypes are true in this case.


Meet Dr. Rodolfo Neri Vela. He was a crewmwmber of the spaceshuttle "Atlantis" flight in 1985. Proudly Mexican !

There should be some Mexicans on the show.
Odd that there haven't been any so far...

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 05:52 PM
It's sort of made for both. When it comes to entertainment, Canada and the US share just about everything.



No. Never the French. Anyone else. Not the French.
Sure, in every nationality you'll find people that hate Americans, but every French person I've ever met does (and they're also usually incredibly arrogant). Every single one of my American friends or relatives who's been to France was treated like garbage by at least several dozen people there.
All the French media does is diss America.
What's up with that?
Either I've just been unlucky and heard all the wrong stories and had all the bad experiences, or the stereotypes are true in this case.



There should be some Mexicans on the show.
Odd that there haven't been any so far...

The French don't like us b/c of Bush, but that's OT. I do think that there should be at least one member of each nationality somewhere on base.

jenks
March 9th, 2007, 06:16 PM
The French don't like us b/c of Bush, but that's OT. I do think that there should be at least one member of each nationality somewhere on base.

Naa it's more than that, they generally just don't like America anymore, I think it's more about culture than anything. You speak to a Frenchman about Americans and he'll just rant on about how ignorant they are, then again, when in France I asked an American couple if they spoke English (in French) and their reply was 'si' lol. I'd have to say in general they are pretty arrogrant though, but then again they say the exact same thing about the English too...

*edit*

I meant the French being arrogant btw

squeakytoad
March 9th, 2007, 06:42 PM
I'd have to say in general they are pretty arrogrant though, but then again they say the exact same thing about the English too...

A Scottish friend of mine went there a while back and was talking about how everyone from baggage claim to bellboys to waiters to cab drivers to average people on the beach acted like idiots toward him and his friends.
I wonder if they just treat everyone like that.
Definitely puts a damper on tourism...

Mitchell82
March 9th, 2007, 07:03 PM
Naa it's more than that, they generally just don't like America anymore, I think it's more about culture than anything. You speak to a Frenchman about Americans and he'll just rant on about how ignorant they are, then again, when in France I asked an American couple if they spoke English (in French) and their reply was 's?*' lol. I'd have to say in general they are pretty arrogrant though, but then again they say the exact same thing about the English too...

I have to agree that alot Americans are arrogant about other cultures, and some arrogant in general.

Major Tyler
March 9th, 2007, 07:32 PM
I have to agree that alot Americans are arrogant about other cultures, and some arrogant in general."A lot" of any nationality will be a lot of some unsavory thing or another. No nation has a monopoly on stupidity.

BeckettRulez
March 10th, 2007, 03:03 AM
I agree with Major Tyler.
Futhermore, the Americans that I know are a very funny bunch of people, but maybe they have to be like that to live and work in Germany*lol*...

Mitchell82
March 10th, 2007, 09:06 AM
"A lot" of any nationality will be a lot of some unsavory thing or another. No nation has a monopoly on stupidity.

Good point. I have a brittish freind who has no idea that the US was once under brittish rule.

Major Tyler
March 10th, 2007, 09:07 AM
Good point. I have a brittish freind who has no idea that the US was once under brittish rule.Bloody hell!! Are you serious?! :S

Mitchell82
March 10th, 2007, 09:13 AM
Bloody hell!! Are you serious?! :S

100%! She gets ragged on alot about that!

kefke20
March 10th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Absolutely! It was actually encouraged so that West Germany could join NATO.

i never haer about the german army.
and the nato misions are mostly don by the US, britain, poland, italy, and the netherlands. some times spain, but afer the madrid bomins not so mutch animore.

france and the garmans almost never, ore did i miss someting

Major Tyler
March 10th, 2007, 10:09 AM
i never haer about the german army.
and the nato misions are mostly don by the US, britain, poland, italy, and the netherlands. some times spain, but afer the madrid bomins not so mutch animore.

france and the garmans almost never, ore did i miss sometingAll NATO allies (except for France) contribute to NATO missions in whatever capacity they can (functionally and politically). I think you're confusing Bush's "Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced Willing" with NATO.

SG-25CSAR
March 10th, 2007, 10:39 AM
All NATO allies (except for France) contribute to NATO missions in whatever capacity they can (functionally and politically). I think you're confusing Bush's "Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced Willing" with NATO.

Not to mention that the Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced didn't move in till the US/UK forces did most of the fighting. Fox(Mexican president) scoled bush for thier attmepts to coerce Mexico. Cause of that Mexico Is never get involeved in Iraq, that and Bush gut a bucket of pee thrown at him when he went to Mexico once.
Moral of the story, don't threaten Mexico, and bush learned that the hard way.

There have Been Mexican Nationals/citizens in NASA, why not SGA? I have seen some Argentina and Brazil patches.Mexico, Brazil and Argentina are the big nations of Latin America. They should repersented in Atlantis more than any other Latin American Nation. I would love to see some more British on the show, and at least one Russian.

kefke20
March 10th, 2007, 10:46 AM
All NATO allies (except for France) contribute to NATO missions in whatever capacity they can (functionally and politically). I think you're confusing Bush's "Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced Willing" with NATO.

ow sorry i thagt that was the same.
the US start a war and drag us with it (irak)
(not the war on alqada, a atac on one of us is a atac on all of us)

jenks
March 10th, 2007, 11:11 AM
All NATO allies (except for France) contribute to NATO missions in whatever capacity they can (functionally and politically). I think you're confusing Bush's "Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced Willing" with NATO.

Oh I don't know about that, there are plenty of NATO allies who could send combat troops to the south of Afghanistan to help out but they refuse, they seem only willing to send them to the north where it is relatively safe. Only the US, UK, Canada and Holland seem to have troops where it counts...

kefke20
March 10th, 2007, 11:47 AM
Oh I don't know about that, there are plenty of NATO allies who could send combat troops to the south of Afghanistan to help out but they refuse, they seem only willing to send them to the north where it is relatively safe. Only the US, UK, Canada and Holland seem to have troops where it counts...

it is the netherlands, holland is only a part (2 provinces) of the netherlands



you dont call sombody from taxas a yankey ore a scott a engesman.

kefke20
March 10th, 2007, 12:02 PM
Oh I don't know about that, there are plenty of NATO allies who could send combat troops to the south of Afghanistan to help out but they refuse, they seem only willing to send them to the north where it is relatively safe. Only the US, UK, Canada and Holland seem to have troops where it counts...

ower troop thare are on a vacation in Afghanistan thay are not allod to lave the base. only the korps comando troepen see some action thare. and some times the US and the UK ask suport of ower F16, Apache and Panzerhaubitze 2000nl`s and thats all

Major Tyler
March 10th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Oh I don't know about that, there are plenty of NATO allies who could send combat troops to the south of Afghanistan to help out but they refuse, they seem only willing to send them to the north where it is relatively safe. Only the US, UK, Canada and Holland seem to have troops where it counts...That's why I included the caveat "functionally and politically." Some member states have the functional capacity to contribute, but cannot for political reasons.

P.S. You should include the Polish in your list...proportionally they're helping out as much as any ally.

jenks
March 10th, 2007, 07:28 PM
it is the netherlands, holland is only a part (2 provinces) of the netherlands



you dont call sombody from taxas a yankey ore a scott a engesman.

My mistake, I never knew the difference, in the UK Holland is pretty much just used as another name for the Netherlands, espacially when we talk about football...

kefke20
March 11th, 2007, 08:00 AM
My mistake, I never knew the difference, in the UK Holland is pretty much just used as another name for the Netherlands, espacially when we talk about football...

same thing her its quit inoing

Blower'sGate
March 11th, 2007, 08:45 AM
French troops are stationed in Afghanistan.
Military cooperation between the French and the U.S. Armed Forces has been going on since 9/11.

Just my two cents. And as for the French hating the Americans, I can't speak for all the frenchs, but I have many american friends, and most of the people I know have too and we all get along so well. I think it's a shame to state that every French hate the Americans. Tv doesn't always reflect reality, you guys know it as well as I do. One of the candidate who runs for Presidency is fond of America and he's likely to win. Anyway, all I'm saying is that hatred among countries isn't new, but I take into account that I'm of those who don't play around with what has been said to be the major opinion, just so I can melt in the mass. Unfortunately, that's what's been happening ever since.

"I love the americans, I hate a$$/.ZDSJ" <= My motto ^^

By the way, JM stated on his blog that "it's very possible" we'll see a french on the show. So I'm cool with it, as a proud citizen of France and as a fan of the american tv show : Stargate. But as long as this guy's not a joke.

xxxx LOL now it's gonna have to be a french redshirt ^^ :D

ChelApophis
March 11th, 2007, 12:37 PM
Scottish people are British ;)

I know this , lol:) ! What I meant by that is that there is a difference in their accent , their way of speaking that I like very much! So , althought , they are both citizens of the U.K. , it is different and very pleasant for me ( a french that has managed to learn english;) to hear them speak!

ChelApophis
March 11th, 2007, 01:02 PM
It's sort of made for both. When it comes to entertainment, Canada and the US share just about everything.



No. Never the French. Anyone else. Not the French.
Sure, in every nationality you'll find people that hate Americans, but every French person I've ever met does (and they're also usually incredibly arrogant). Every single one of my American friends or relatives who's been to France was treated like garbage by at least several dozen people there.
All the French media does is diss America.
What's up with that?
Either I've just been unlucky and heard all the wrong stories and had all the bad experiences, or the stereotypes are true in this case.



There should be some Mexicans on the show.
Odd that there haven't been any so far...


Well , you haven't met me !:) And you are wrong , not all french people hate the amerincans , and we don't think that you stupid.
Now, I can tell you that a lot of my friends have been to the USA and were also treated like c**p ! What's up with that?
Just because your friends and my friends had bad luck it doesn't mean that the french hate the americans and viceversa! I have a lot of friends that come from the USA and study here and I think they are really nice persons and very smart( going to the University is hard as it is , doing it in another language must be even harder)!
I'm not sure that they diss America , it's more the american president! ( althought ours is not better) There are a lot of tv shows here that come from America and we like them a lot!
I'm not trying to convince you that you should want french people in Atlantis or like french people but you shouldn't think that we hate the americans , because it is not true!
As for the arrogant part , guilty as charged! Yeah , most of the french people are arrogant , especially in Paris! No , did I just admit that? OMG!:(

Major Tyler
March 11th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Well, I try to be as open-minded and non-stereotypical as I can. But when I was in Europe it took me a long time to find a francophone who didn't treat me like scum. All the French and Bruxellois (except for one) I met were horrible to me because I was American. I was astonished! I went there fully expecting to dispell the myth that francophones are mean, because I assumed they would be nice to me if I was nice to them...whoa! SO. NOT. TRUE.

I tried to speak French as much as I could, but they belittled me because my French was bad...not just refuse to talk to me, but would call me a "stupid American" and scoff at me. So I tried speaking English because bad French seemed to insult them, but that was even worse!! I couldn't wait to get out of France! One of my friends asked a man how to get to a train station and he spat on her! I tremble with anger just thinking about it. :mad:

When I was in Brussels, I just kept my mouth shut until I found a Flemish person to talk to. Vlaams are so nice...I think I'm in love with all of them! :P

As far as Americans not liking French, the ONLY reason we don't like them, is because they don't like us. We literally have no other reason! I went to Europe hoping to make lots of French and Belgian friends, and I ended up only making Flemish friends and loathing francophones. It's a horrible cycle that I desperately want to break. There has to be a way to ease the Franco-American tensions. I WANT to like the French, but there is only so much abuse a person can handle.

Sorry about the rant.

Orion's Star
March 12th, 2007, 02:52 AM
There has to be a way to ease the Franco-American tensions.

An exchange of cheese recipes?

squeakytoad
March 12th, 2007, 05:08 AM
Well , you haven't met me !:) And you are wrong , not all french people hate the amerincans , and we don't think that you stupid.
Now, I can tell you that a lot of my friends have been to the USA and were also treated like c**p ! What's up with that?
Just because your friends and my friends had bad luck it doesn't mean that the french hate the americans and viceversa! I have a lot of friends that come from the USA and study here and I think they are really nice persons and very smart( going to the University is hard as it is , doing it in another language must be even harder)!
I'm not sure that they diss America , it's more the american president! ( althought ours is not better) There are a lot of tv shows here that come from America and we like them a lot!
I'm not trying to convince you that you should want french people in Atlantis or like french people but you shouldn't think that we hate the americans , because it is not true!
As for the arrogant part , guilty as charged! Yeah , most of the french people are arrogant , especially in Paris! No , did I just admit that? OMG!:(

Well, there are always exceptions. I'm sure there are a few French people who are nice to Americans and kinda humble for the most part.
But a country where people intentionally spill beer on you because of your nationality, just about everyone you meet scowls at you and verbally abuses you, and nobody is willing to even point you in the right direction or give you change for a large bill (as if it's your fault that's all you have) certainly isn't doing a very good job of trying to prove the stereotypes wrong.

kefke20
March 12th, 2007, 08:10 AM
my opinoin of france is
france is a Beautiful and magnifecend country
i want to life thar in a hart bate

it has one drowback the france live thare

ChelApophis
March 12th, 2007, 08:35 AM
O.K . lols , I get the point. You've all had bead experiences in France and you hate the french , and I'm very sorry to hear that. It seems that you've met all the ass**ls that live here , so if you're able to bring you courage back together and visit France again ( althought I'm sure you won't:( ) you should be safe!
True that beeing spit upon because you are american must be horrible and the person that has done this was a cr**p!
About not getting change for a large bill , I've been to Belgium , U.K. , Italy, Germany, Malta, Romania , Netherlands and Hungary , and I've never had that change for my bill!!!!!! I guess when in a foreign country , when they get the point that you're a foreigner , the just try to trick you ( for not wanting to call it stealing). You just have to pay by credit card!;)

ChelApophis
March 12th, 2007, 08:38 AM
An exchange of cheese recipes?

Hey , it might actually work! Good ideea! :)
Although, I think we need more than cheese to end this"cold war" that I personally didn't know was going on between America and France.

SG-25CSAR
March 12th, 2007, 12:04 PM
why don't you send your friends to Mexico, Americans get worm welcome and the French, well, don't go there during the 5th of May.

major tyler, try Normandy. I hear that Normans just love Americans...I wonder why?

:jack_new_anime07: Viva La France!!
:mckay: Canada is WAY better
:zelenka26: I hate Canadians
:mckay: What, why? What did Canadians ever do to you
:beckettanime09: Um...Rondey
:jack: All I know is that they make good beer
:danielanime07: Uh..jack, that would be Germany
:hammond04: TEXAS, Ya'll love Texas. YOU HEAR ME!!!
:indeed:
:thoranime01: No one remebers Norway!
:danielanime08: What about Egypt?
:hammondanime03:
:hammond03: I got them all Nuked, now you gatta love Texas.

The moral of this story is:
Every country has its ups and downs. Good people and bad people.

ChelApophis
March 12th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Well said! All countries have good and bad people!yeah , he should try Normandy , they are pretty loved there. We owe the Americans for that one a big thanks!

garhkal
March 12th, 2007, 09:56 PM
Well, I try to be as open-minded and non-stereotypical as I can. But when I was in Europe it took me a long time to find a francophone who didn't treat me like scum. snip...[/qoute]

I have known (and still do for some) over 2 dozen fellow service men and women, who have had similar experiences over in france... I still don't know why they are that way.


[QUOTE=Major Tyler;6428277]As far as Americans not liking French, the ONLY reason we don't like them, is because they don't like us. We literally have no other reason!

Part of it to my eyes, is not only their hate (or apathy) towards us, but also their 'seeming cowardice. WE cannot stand (or from how i percieve it) cowards.

jenks
March 12th, 2007, 10:00 PM
And I thought we were past moronic stereotypes :rolleyes:

Peoples_General
March 12th, 2007, 11:40 PM
Yup more Brits, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and etc.

Chinese special ops guys, with sniper rifles.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/PPsHguy/showimg.jpg

Chinese special ops with ghillie suits.
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/orbat/armyspecial5lg.jpg

Trio of heavy-armored Chinese Army soldiers doing synchronized breakdancing... to confuse the enemy. :lol:
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060501/1540/308130/308134.jpg

Major Tyler
March 13th, 2007, 03:55 AM
Yup more Brits, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and etc.

Chinese special ops guys, with sniper rifles.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69/PPsHguy/showimg.jpg

Chinese special ops with ghillie suits.
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/orbat/armyspecial5lg.jpg

Trio of heavy-armored Chinese Army soldiers doing synchronized breakdancing... to confuse the enemy. :lol:
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060501/1540/308130/308134.jpgThese must be the small group Chinese soldiers that actually get trained...and fed, for that matter.

Major Tyler
March 13th, 2007, 03:58 AM
major tyler, try Normandy. I hear that Normans just love Americans...I wonder why?They really like Americans in Bastogne, too. They're pretty nice in Wallonia...in Brussels they are terribly mean.

I met a lot of Mexicans in Europe and I would always yell "Continental Brother!" and give them a hug. They would think I was strange, but then they'd laugh and we'd be friends. :P

squeakytoad
March 13th, 2007, 06:40 AM
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/orbat/armyspecial5lg.jpg

I love it how they went to all the trouble of covering themselves with plants and grease paint to camoflauge with their surroundings, only then decide to wave a bright red flag around in the middle of the jungle.



http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/upload/118/5168/20060501/1540/308130/308134.jpg

Doh!

SG-25CSAR
March 13th, 2007, 07:02 PM
In these spoilers you shall see no spoiling but in reality you will se Mexican Special ops
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/204/desfile1uj2.jpg
The army has acess to US weapons and made its one disgn based on the Heckler & Koch G36
its name is the FX-05 "Xiuhcoatl" Thats the Gun used in the pictures.
Thier Airforce science seems to be related largely on Medical research. Atlantis needs all the good Docs that it can get.

Now for the Russians
We all have a good Idea about Spetsnaz trianing
http://www.kgb-militaryschool.com/site/img_uploads/spetsnaz/b0113.jpg
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/11/Spetsnaz.jpg

Atlantis could really benifit from thier help, and they don't need to dance for the enamy.

DarthNick
March 14th, 2007, 05:45 AM
It's sort of made for both. When it comes to entertainment, Canada and the US share just about everything.



No. Never the French. Anyone else. Not the French.
Sure, in every nationality you'll find people that hate Americans, but every French person I've ever met does (and they're also usually incredibly arrogant). Every single one of my American friends or relatives who's been to France was treated like garbage by at least several dozen people there.
All the French media does is diss America.
What's up with that?
Either I've just been unlucky and heard all the wrong stories and had all the bad experiences, or the stereotypes are true in this case.



There should be some Mexicans on the show.
Odd that there haven't been any so far...


I hate to burst your bubble, but the French like only themselves. Even within Europe nobody really likes the French. Europe is like a classroom, some are good friends, some just get along and there is always the strange loner with an attitude <-- France.

Like Kefvke20 said, beautifull country execpt for the French who live there. And to whoever out there thinks the Belgians are horrible drivers, never go to France :P

squeakytoad
March 14th, 2007, 07:00 AM
I hate to burst your bubble, but the French like only themselves.

It's not really bursting my bubble. I kinda already realized that.
They just have some sort of extra bitterness toward America.

DarthNick
March 14th, 2007, 07:19 AM
In that case, my apologies

dec55
March 14th, 2007, 07:47 AM
Not to mention that the Coalition of the Threatened and Coerced didn't move in till the US/UK forces did most of the fighting. Fox(Mexican president) scoled bush for thier attmepts to coerce Mexico. Cause of that Mexico Is never get involeved in Iraq, that and Bush gut a bucket of pee thrown at him when he went to Mexico once.
Moral of the story, don't threaten Mexico, and bush learned that the hard way.



Bush never threatend Mexico......in fact the Mexican goverment at this point has continually pushed illegal imigration on poor US tax payers... While the the Mexican goverment punishes South Americans who illegally imigrate to Mexico....go figure! :lol

A lot of Mexican Americans wish GW would get tougher on Mexico about this...but most folks
speculate that he won't because he has close family ties of hispanic heritage.

If anything GW has done everything to keep economic ties and immigration reform to Mexico's
terms...even at the dismay of this own party....and for Americans of all stripes who want more
border control.

Take it from a native Californian who is actually part Spanish!!!



Back to the topic.....SGA had a Japanese scientist in the letters to home
episode.... I wish she was a recurring character. The scene with Mckay was
hilarious.

jenks
March 14th, 2007, 12:02 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=33Z0FXUDYG3QXQFIQMGCM5OAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/05/17/wfran17.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/05/17/ixportal.html

"Believe it or not, the English and the French use almost exactly the same adjectives to describe each other - bar the word 'insular'," Mr Coldong said. "So the feelings are mutual."

^^ That bit made me laugh :D

DarthNick
March 16th, 2007, 06:00 AM
Indeed !

kefke20
March 16th, 2007, 09:27 AM
I
Like Kefvke20 said, beautifull country execpt for the French who live there. And to whoever out there thinks the Belgians are horrible drivers, never go to France :P

ever bin to Spain??
there is no car there that isn’t den dint

i don’t dare to drive there

SG-25CSAR
March 16th, 2007, 09:42 AM
Bush never threatend Mexico......in fact the Mexican goverment at this point has continually pushed illegal imigration on poor US tax payers... While the the Mexican goverment punishes South Americans who illegally imigrate to Mexico....go figure! :lol
In a democracy, on this side of the world, it is illegal for that nation to force its citizens and guests from Leaving the Nation unless they commit a crime. Mexico(the Government) has nothing to do with Imigration.
The South Americans may be drug Cartel related. There are more than enough Drug cartels and thugs in Mexico and The US is a better nation on that point.


A lot of Mexican Americans wish GW would get tougher on Mexico about this...but most folks
speculate that he won't because he has close family ties of hispanic heritage.
This is irrelevant


If anything GW has done everything to keep economic ties and immigration reform to Mexico's
terms...even at the dismay of this own party....and for Americans of all stripes who want more
border control.

Take it from a native Californian who is actually part Spanish!!!
once again, irrelevant

I didn't say threaten. Coerced for me means
"We'll help your citizens in America If you help us with the war"
or is it blackmail? Or is it Extortion. Well if I used the wrong word, I am sorry. But the word 'Threaten' was the most farest wor from my mind at the time.

After that the Mexican Ambassidor insulted the US and got himself fired and replaced with a more mature President.


don't mistake me for a Anti Amercian kind off guy. I do agree that there is a lack of control over the border. Not to mention the millions of Legal Mexican Imagrents are part of that tax paying group you mentioned. Lets not confuse the actions of the state with the actions of the people.




Back to the topic.....SGA had a Japanese scientist in the letters to home
episode.... I wish she was a recurring character. The scene with Mckay was
hilarious.
I don't remember her. Did she say anything?

Jimbo-DR
March 16th, 2007, 10:04 PM
A show that shows to an English speaking audience is going to have predominantly English speaking characters.

But if this were real, I wouldn't trust any communist nation to be within 10 miles of that gate.

SaberBlade
March 16th, 2007, 10:08 PM
I don't remember her. Did she say anything?

Basically all she did was stoke McKay's ego, with a few clips between what she says to show he's not exactly the man she is making him out to be. I got the impression she has/had a thing for him.

atlantis_babe34
March 17th, 2007, 12:29 AM
In Echoes i saw there was an Australuian Soilder.. we need more pacific soilders all i seem to see are americans, candains, russins and germans

Betelgeuze
March 17th, 2007, 02:34 AM
More scientists from other nations would be good. If they are employing the bests scientists, it would make sense to have more scientists from other countries.

What i would really like is to see is a lead chracter from a non-english speaking country in the third series. Doesn't matter what country, just put a little more cultural diversity in the show.

kefke20
March 17th, 2007, 08:07 AM
A show that shows to an English speaking audience is going to have predominantly English speaking characters.
.

so what, 80% of the Dutch people can speak English
an I don’t see any Dutch on the show

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SG-25CSAR
March 17th, 2007, 09:10 AM
A show that shows to an English speaking audience is going to have predominantly English speaking characters.

But if this were real, I wouldn't trust any communist nation to be within 10 miles of that gate.

Every alien and every none Earth Humans know english. Whats keeping any Other Earth National from knowing English?


I also don't like the Idea of China or any commie getting close to the stargate. Russia should have earned America's trust by now. We should see more Russians. Anyone think that Zelenka should of been Russian?

Octobia13
March 18th, 2007, 03:11 AM
In Weir's speech in 'Rising' (1.01) she mentioned that there were "over a dozen Nations represented".

I counted about 15, possibly more (but I'm not 100% sure on some) different patches as they were readying themselves before entering the Gate to Atlantis for the very first time.

Canada
U.S.
U.K. (Union Jack)
England (St George's Cross)
Scotland (St Andrew's Cross)
New Zealand (almost identical to the Australian flag but this one didn't have The Federation Star of Australia)
Czech Republic
Philippines
Japan
Russia
Germany
Belgium
Sweden
France
Brazil
Netherlands

...and the 'more' that I'm not 100% sure about:

Finland
Greece
India
Argentina
Malaysia
Norway

I'm not sure if this means anything, but in real life, 12 nations, including ones mentioned in the 2 lists, signed The Antarctica Treaty in the 1950's to share Territories on Antarctica for Research purposes. Today there are about 4000 scientists from 27 Nations currently doing research there.

Since it is not known the exact location of this Stargate on the Antarctic Continent, I can only assume there must have been some sort of (albeit fictional) Agreement between these Nations, to a) find the Gate, and b) conduct the expedition.

...just my 2 cents, but I think we should see more of these Nations 'Patches shown... :D

EllieV
March 18th, 2007, 03:53 AM
maybe a scouse or a geordie? would be good to see someone from the north of england in a tv show, but its rare even in britain, so what are the chances in an american show?

I think it should be someone from Manchester because I feel Liverpool is overrepresented on television.

Major Tyler
March 18th, 2007, 08:40 AM
I think it should be someone from Manchester because I feel Liverpool is overrepresented on television.I think there should be someone from Wales. I love a sexy Welsh accent. :D

jenks
March 18th, 2007, 05:33 PM
I think it should be someone from Manchester because I feel Liverpool is overrepresented on television.

Probably because it's a destinctive accent, Manc really isn't...

Falcon Horus
March 18th, 2007, 05:53 PM
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Mmm...interesting, Dutch is able to avoid the sensoring of what can be considered as a "bad" word...

(grappig dus)

On the topic of more diversity... Yes, please, but preferably not in the red shirt-section.

Major Tyler
March 18th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Mmm...interesting, Dutch is able to avoid the sensoring of what can be considered as a "bad" word...Well, this particular mod spent some time in Flanders, so I know a bit of Dutch. Be careful. ;)

Falcon Horus
March 19th, 2007, 05:22 AM
Well, this particular mod spent some time in Flanders, so I know a bit of Dutch. Be careful. ;)

I'm not going to abuse the holes in the system.... And I have to admit I was thinking about you, remembering you spend some time in Flanders. I figured you would edit it or something. Was just surprised to see it wasn't filtered.

EllieV
March 19th, 2007, 06:03 AM
I think there should be someone from Wales. I love a sexy Welsh accent. :D

I therefore nominate Ioan Gruffudd.

Major Tyler
March 19th, 2007, 07:04 AM
I figured you would edit it or something. Was just surprised to see it wasn't filtered.That was a particular obscenity I was not exposed to before now, but now I'm fully aware of it.