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    Earth Making ZPMS

    I am going to assume that the device O'Neil made in 'The Fifth Race' was some sort of a ZPM, in that case, somebody must have been watching him, so earth, could theoretically, make their own ZPMs

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    it was, effectively, a single-use ZPM - and it seemed more to temporarily boost the base's power, if i recall correctly, rather than provide its own. not only that, but carter didn't seem to have a clue what he was at, and jack worked alone a lot anyway since he was the only one who understood it and knew what he was doing.

    additionally, mckay hasn't been able to work it out either and he's got the ancient database with him. he may or may not be on carter's level, but they're pretty close to each other, and while mckay simply may not have reached that section yet, you can bet that its one of the first things they'll have looked for - on the grounds that they're rather low on power in atlantis.

    no, TPTB won't let either of them make ZPMs in any real quantity, since it gives too mcuh power.
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      #3
      I bet all it needs is a new math, which allows few technical breakthroughs, and then we would have some idea how they are built, but still we'd lack in tech to actually construct one..
      Creating an artificial universe into a bottle isn't that easy...

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        the problem with new math is that in tao of rodney
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        mckay actually creates a new form of math, but he can't understand it himself when he returns to normal. this is one of the brightest minds in two galaxies, possibly with the memories of having created it, unable to understand the creation he made while his state of evolution was enhanced beyond the normal.
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          The device O'Neill made in The Fifth Race was not a ZPM, it was powered by the liquid naquadah from a staff weapon. It would be more like a Mark II naquadah generator.

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            #6
            Yes he is right, it was not a ZPM, it wasnt even close, it was a single use , massive burst of energy from a staff power source. Those weaposn cna last for thousands of years and still power, that device simply took all the energy at once.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Stargate: Andromeda View Post
              I am going to assume that the device O'Neil made in 'The Fifth Race' was some sort of a ZPM, in that case, somebody must have been watching him, so earth, could theoretically, make their own ZPMs
              Afraid you are assumingly wrongly, then it was simply an advanced power source using naquadah from a staff weapon. ZPM's are made much differently.

              As to the 2nd part, if they were watching him & could make it. Don't you think for all the seasons since that ep, they'd have been using it at this point, at least once. Hence, they can't replicate what he did to make it. Thus if they haven't by now, then they obviously never will with SG-1 ending soon!

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                Between Fifth Race and Point of View they had been trying to get it to work again but they hadn`t managed it.
                In PoV when there were two Carters, they figured out it had something to do with the decay rate of Naquadah or something and then they presumably left the device in the other universe as we didn`t see any of them holding it when they went back through.

                So they did figure out how to make it reusable atleast once and then they went and left it behind in an alternate universe - donuts!

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                  Originally posted by J_B View Post
                  As to the 2nd part, if they were watching him & could make it. Don't you think for all the seasons since that ep, they'd have been using it at this point, at least once. Hence, they can't replicate what he did to make it. Thus if they haven't by now, then they obviously never will with SG-1 ending soon!
                  You know i didn't think of that The Surveilance Cameras around the base would have caught the whole thing. Especially seeing as that were watching him closely because they thought he may have been building a bomb.

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                    #10
                    It wasn't a ZPM, but I also doubt that thimble's worth of Naquadah could power intergalactic travel through the gate. If that was the case a few Mk. 2 Naquadah Generators would easily do the trick. I think the Naquadah powered the device, which in turn harvested energy from either the power grid, or Zero-point energy. But obviously using such primitive parts (Gould & Tau'ri) it shorted out quickly.

                    In any case, MacGyver could probably duplicate the results with some dental floss & a paper clip .
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                      #11
                      There's research on ZPMs in the Ancient database in Atlantis, maybe McKay and Carter could use that to make a better power source than the naquadah generators.

                      Originally posted by Ripple in Space View Post
                      In any case, MacGyver could probably duplicate the results with some dental floss & a paper clip .
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lunapasa View Post
                        There's research on ZPMs in the Ancient database in Atlantis, maybe McKay and Carter could use that to make a better power source than the naquadah generators.
                        Humans trying to build a ZPM is like trying to teach a francophone to speak Dutch...no matter how hard they try it's simply beyond their capability.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Anonmatel View Post
                          You know i didn't think of that The Surveilance Cameras around the base would have caught the whole thing. Especially seeing as that were watching him closely because they thought he may have been building a bomb.

                          They probably did replicate it in area-51. Didn't you find it strange that the SGC went from not understanding how a naquidah generator workend (back when they were those large 'borg-like' boxes), and suddenly they're making them themselves, and the SGC generators are much more compact than the space-age aliens. Carter has also mentioned that out generators are more efficiant than goa'uld. They probably reverse engeneered o'neils one.

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                            #14
                            Not true, the device oneill created is totally different from what we currently see being a naquadah generator. Nor is it gua'uld or ancient for that matter.

                            The tau'ri naquadah generator is of Urban design (the "borg"-box) and yes it is more compact, but it has undergone a big transformation, the first generator carter built in that season was bigger than the Urban box.

                            A ZPM is probably a result of a large production process we know little of. The ancients might have even had to build some kind of factory for it. We know the ancients had a reason to flea atlantis instead of taking it with them back to earth, why? I can only think of one thing, they didn't have the capability anymore to manufacture more ZPM's. This is also supported by the fact that the assurans have a HUGE city built arround atlantis.

                            The tau'ri are far from creating ZPM's for the single reason that they would probably have to construct a factory they have only some schematics for. I'd say that the first thing we'll see from own ZPM creation is something the asguard are involved in.

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                              the biggest chance we had of building a ZPM was in the the Quest Pt 2 and the Shroud
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                              Merlin's molecular syntesizer made the Sangraal which channels energy to the Ori's plane of existance, much like how the ZPM channels energy from subspace to our plane. Unfortunately we left it on the ship we sent to the Ori Galaxy.
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