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X04Shivaji
February 20th, 2007, 05:57 AM
this idea came out of no where and im gald it did becuase it would of worked, they had partialy worked out the plan.

1) They should of sent replicators the controled ones to earth to build ships. = they couldnt build ships fast enought and they never had any where to bulid them what they should of done is sent replicators to earth to build ships and sent some atlanteans to fly them to Pegasus Galaxy now they would been able to build them in peace and without the warith finding out that they have hugh numbers of ships and the drone i love them id rather have a drone than a light saber lol anyways they would of returned and droped out of hyperspace on top of the warith fleet and won :indeed:

2) They should of called for help from asgard or furlings = in additon to the above they could asked the asgard for help they had ships and the other replicators (purple ones) wernt around and if and when the asgaurd incouter them the lanteans would be around to help/ return the favour.:mckay:

3) they should of made use of the time machine and seen how they came into exisitance allowing them to understand thier tech and weapons. well well what can i say tampering with time or death tampering with time or death gee i dunno which one to pick. :P

StefanSGA
February 20th, 2007, 06:05 AM
this idea came out of no where and im gald it did becuase it would of worked, they had partialy worked out the plan.

1) They should of sent replicators the controled ones to earth to build ships. = they couldnt build ships fast enought and they never had any where to bulid them what they should of done is sent replicators to earth to build ships and sent some atlanteans to fly them to Pegasus Galaxy now they would been able to build them in peace and without the warith finding out that they have hugh numbers of ships and the drone i love them id rather have a drone than a light saber lol anyways they would of returned and droped out of hyperspace on top of the warith fleet and won :indeed:

2) They should of called for help from asgard or furlings = in additon to the above they could asked the asgard for help they had ships and the other replicators (purple ones) wernt around and if and when the asgaurd incouter them the lanteans would be around to help/ return the favour.:mckay:

3) they should of made use of the time machine and seen how they came into exisitance allowing them to understand thier tech and weapons. well well what can i say tampering with time or death tampering with time or death gee i dunno which one to pick. :P

It sure would make your post better to read if you would have used some interpunctioning.

In response to your post:
1 + 2: this is SGA you know, not SG1-part II. The people who watch SGA may not be familiar with SG1, so the writers can't just suddenly throw in storylines from SG1.
3: do you mean the time machine from the Ancient man who saved Dr Weir 10.000 years ago? Maybe we'll see him again, who knows?...

jenks
February 20th, 2007, 06:07 AM
It sure would make your post better to read if you would have used some interpunctioning.

In response to your post:
1 + 2: this is SGA you know, not SG1-part II. The people who watch SGA may not be familiar with SG1, so the writers can't just suddenly throw in storylines from SG1.
3: do you mean the time machine from the Ancient man who saved Dr Weir 10.000 years ago? Maybe we'll see him again, who knows?...

They can, and do, more and more frequently too it seems.

VSHARMA
February 20th, 2007, 06:28 AM
2) They should of called for help from asgard or furlings = in additon to the above they could asked the asgard for help they had ships and the other replicators (purple ones) wernt around and if and when the asgaurd incouter them the lanteans would be around to help/ return the favour.:mckay: [/QUOTE]

The Asgard were not that advanced at the time. The Alliance of 4 Great Races was made 10,000 years ago after the war with the Wraith. So I’m not even sure that the Ancients and Asgard even knew each other.
Although the Asgard have been exploring space for 30,000 years we still don’t know if they would have been powerful enough help. I doubt it. At present they could. But thats 10,000 years too late.
And Furlings…………………………Same thing. We don’t even know if they even if they had ships. We haven’t seen or heard of any Nox ships expect they City Ship. (may not even be a ship. It’s a city and it floats)

Artemiy
February 20th, 2007, 09:16 AM
I wonder if Nox's city is Atlantis-based city with Nox's features. We haven't seen it clearly. And it's outside view could have been easily adjusted to the needs of the Nox.

obsessed1
February 20th, 2007, 01:07 PM
what the lanteans should have done?

Ah...i've corrected the error and now I feel better :D

Also....no SG1 in SGA please.

VSHARMA
February 20th, 2007, 01:14 PM
what the lanteans should have done?

Ah...i've corrected the error and now I feel better :D

Also....no SG1 in SGA please.

Yeah. Dam right.... No SG-1 in Atlantis please. Only Firefly in Atlantis!!!

The Great Lord Baal
February 20th, 2007, 01:18 PM
I often wondered about the asgard we dont actually know how long they were exploring space all we know is 30,000 years ago was when the ship which carried the asgard heimdall found came from

RepliHawk
February 20th, 2007, 06:10 PM
Yeah. Dam right.... No SG-1 in Atlantis please. Only Firefly in Atlantis!!!

sounds good to me

~Benjamin~
February 21st, 2007, 03:15 AM
the lantiens screwed up nearly everything they were just to stuck up and cocky so they payed for it

and its easy to say what the should have have done... and what if... they made there dissions and paid for them

Prior_of_the_Ori
February 21st, 2007, 05:09 AM
Time technology seems not to have been a tolerated thing.. I mean the Lantean council were really angry at Janus for his experiments because to be fair... one little mistake can result in the worst outcome possible so its quite possible they banned the technology. Yes yes I know there was time dilation techology used but who is to say it was sanctioned tech? Could have been made by rogues....

Furlings and Asgard... we arent certain they even knew them at that point. Or whether they would have been interested in fighting an 'internal conflict of the Lanteans own making'.

Finally, even if they could build the ships quickly, who would man them? To me, I always figured the Lanteans to have a very small population while the Wraith had many timesmore their number...

tsjr
February 21st, 2007, 06:11 AM
Personally to me, the most logical thing they should have done is use the Asurans as either additional soldiers (program them to obey the Ancients) or use them as an aditional workforce and build their ships under the ocean, where the wraith weapons would not get them, as i would assume the Asurans would be able to work underwater.

But the Ancients werent that smart in terms of strategy as before the wraith came it would have been at minimum 5-10 million years (estimated time atlantis left Earth "Rising") since they fought a war and arent exactly militaristic.

J_B
February 21st, 2007, 06:53 AM
this idea came out of no where and im gald it did becuase it would of worked, they had partialy worked out the plan.

1) They should of sent replicators the controled ones to earth to build ships. = they couldnt build ships fast enought and they never had any where to bulid them what they should of done is sent replicators to earth to build ships and sent some atlanteans to fly them to Pegasus Galaxy now they would been able to build them in peace and without the warith finding out that they have hugh numbers of ships and the drone i love them id rather have a drone than a light saber lol anyways they would of returned and droped out of hyperspace on top of the warith fleet and won :indeed:

2) They should of called for help from asgard or furlings = in additon to the above they could asked the asgard for help they had ships and the other replicators (purple ones) wernt around and if and when the asgaurd incouter them the lanteans would be around to help/ return the favour.:mckay:

3) they should of made use of the time machine and seen how they came into exisitance allowing them to understand thier tech and weapons. well well what can i say tampering with time or death tampering with time or death gee i dunno which one to pick. :P

1. The problem with that is they never had controlled ones. The only way they could probably have been controlled would have been the same way that they were distributed in 'The Hot Zone'. Thus as a biological weapon. The moment they came together to form any sort of AI & ability to think for themselves. They'd evolve into their own forms & end up doing what they want just like the Asurans.

The other thing with this is that flying ships from one galaxy to another could have had terrible consequences had the Wraith managed to get a hold of one. They'd have the means to get to a new feeding ground & the coordinates to go there! Why do you think the ship 'Aurora' didn't have intergalactic capabilities, they said in the ep that the risk of their capture was great. Thus the Wraith tried to infiltraite it to allow them to upgrade it.

Not to mention the time it takes for a ship to fly over 3 million light years, what if it's needed in an emergency!

The only way to make ships would simply have been to find a distant remote planet, use ZPM's & a PJ's CG to cloak it. Thus they'd have a planet that is gone, Wraith can't sense it & because it's right at the edge of the galaxy, they would never have a reason to go to such a remote part of the galaxy if there was no sign of life. Meaning they'd have an entire planet which they could safely construct ships on.

2. We don't have an idea of how long ago the alliance was even started, not to mention why it ended. For all we know the Furlings may have been evil & caused the break up. Again with regards to the time period, 30'000 years ago, Asgard had to put their crew in stasis for long journeys. While Wraith at that point had goodness knows how many 11km long ships armed to the brim with energy weapons. If Lanteans couldn't defeat them, then what chance would the Asgard have had 10,000 years ago. Not much me thinks!

3. During the war they didn't have the time machine. It was only much later that Janus/Janis finally perfected it.

If you want to know how they could have defeated them, it's actually very simple!

1 is when the warships were deployed, keep them together always, so they don't get overwhelmed & outnumbered by Wraith vessels.

Second part is to protect them further. Install ZPM's in every ship to boost the shields, hyperdrives & energy weapons. Atlantis could stand days worth of consinous attacks from all those Hives with only 1 ZPM. Therefore Lantean ships would have plenty of time to use their energy weapons to cut through the unshielded Hives.

2 is to do with the sat weapons. Install shields on them, powered with ZPM's. As well as put them in groups together. This way if a Wraith fleet arrives, the sat wouldn't have to take out 12 ships on it's own. A single target would be easier to destroy for the Wraith as they could combine their firepower to quickly drain the shield & ZPM down.

Therefore install 3/4 together in a group. 9/12 Wraith Hives showed up. Each one can take out 3/4 ships on it's own. More targets meaning more time for the sat's to take care of them because the Wraith would have to split up & divide their fire towards each sat platform. A single shot cut a Hive to pieces like a hot kife through butter, if it hadn't been damaged it would have took care of all 3 Hives. Imagine how many it could take care of it protected by a shield & ZPM.

3 is to do with the nanite virus. They already had it & it worked as seen in 'The Hot Zone', why not equip a warhead with one & fire it into the side of a Wraith ship. Have the nanities eat out the organic parts of the Wraith ships. Thus disabling them, then it would target & infect the Wraith inside killing them. After it was done, the Lanteans had simply to destroy the ship. It would have wiped out the nanites inside the ship & stopped them forming to make a more complicated structure as they would have been wiped out in their initial stage of development.

4 is to do with cloaking technology. They had them on their PJ's. Why not put in an explosive device. Send it out on remote while cloaked, then slam it into the side of a Hive ship or into the hangar bay. Bang a Hive gone in secs.

5 is again to do with the cloaking tech. Make a large warhead or projectile, equip it with a cloak. Detect a Hive ship on sensors, then launch it at a safe distance from the warship. Bang it slams into it & takes it out in a single shot.

There are literally a good few other ways the Lanteans could have taken them out, they had to be wiped out because then they couldn't have had the Wraith as main enemies for Atlantis in S1 if the Ancients had won the war. The Lanteans were all badly written from the start, while the Wraith were portrayed the same way, as buffoon space vampires. Realistically the Lanteans would never have been wiped out, overconfident & outnumbered or not. Ofcourse it they had written it the proper way, then there would have been no Atlantis.

doylefan22
February 21st, 2007, 06:59 AM
what the lanteans should have done?

Ah...i've corrected the error and now I feel better :D

Oh thank goodness it's not just me sitting going 'I must not be a grammer nazi, I must not be a grammer nazi....' :D

IcyNeko
February 21st, 2007, 10:15 AM
Protip: "Would've" can be expanded to mean "Would have" not "would of".

g.o.d
February 21st, 2007, 12:46 PM
they should have used at least 10% of their brain activity instead of zero :-))

Sicktem
February 21st, 2007, 10:55 PM
this idea came out of no where and im gald it did becuase it would of worked, they had partialy worked out the plan.

1) They should of sent replicators the controled ones to earth to build ships. = they couldnt build ships fast enought and they never had any where to bulid them what they should of done is sent replicators to earth to build ships and sent some atlanteans to fly them to Pegasus Galaxy now they would been able to build them in peace and without the warith finding out that they have hugh numbers of ships and the drone i love them id rather have a drone than a light saber lol anyways they would of returned and droped out of hyperspace on top of the warith fleet and won :indeed:

The problem is that they didn't trust the Asurans. Allowing them to build ships for them gives them access to a very powerful resource that can be used against them. Yes, they couldn't harm the Ancients at the time, but in most every robot movie they find a way to overcome it. The Ancients seemed to understand this because in over 50 million years there's no evidence that they made intelligent robots of any kind. The Asurans, themselves, were a mistake as the nanites they created happened to evolve into sentient life forms. Also, once you give them ship building capabilities you can no longer contain them. They could end up all over multiple galaxies in a short period of time and then when you're done using them you can't easily just get rid of them like you could if they were limited to one planet. Meanwhile, their nanites have been shown to attack Humans as well as Wraith so who knows what harm they could cause to other races.


2) They should of called for help from asgard or furlings = in additon to the above they could asked the asgard for help they had ships and the other replicators (purple ones) wernt around and if and when the asgaurd incouter them the lanteans would be around to help/ return the favour.:mckay:

Everything points to the alliance being formed 5-10+ million years ago. The Ancients aren't going to form an alliance after they returned to Earth as they decided to give up once they found no advanced technology about. Also, we have no evidence that those in the Pegasus galaxy had any contact with the Nox, Furlings, or Asgard once they went there. Thor previously stated that the Ancients moved away from this part of the galaxy long ago in an attempt to explain what happened to them. This suggests that the Asgard knew them before the plaque and were aware of the survivors leaving. Meanwhile, the Ancients in the Pegasus may not have had a gate address to contact them with. For all we know they have always met on Tantalus and at pre-arranged times. We've only ever seen the Asgard with one Stargate in their home galaxy in all these years and it was an old style one so it was either given to them or they took it. If it was given to them (which is most likely) then it shows that it happened previous to the Ancients leaving for the Pegasus galaxy which also means that it could've moved anywhere in millions of years so even if they had an old gate address and accounted for planetary shift (which of course they would) there's no telling it would work. The only way they'd be able to get in contact with them is if they seeded gates all over Ida, which we have no evidence of (the other way is to take one of their few remaining ships which would mean the difference between life and death in the war and send it to Ida in hopes that these people are advanced enough and have enough forces to help). But, even so, if the last record you have of your encounter with a race is millions of years old then they likely weren't all that evolved at the time and so they had no reason to believe that they could help them (they would be far less powerful today if they have not make use of Ancient knowledge and if their war with the replicators did not push them to greater heights in technological advancements). Especially if they didn't have the technology to fly between galaxies and you weren't willing to give it to them on the off chance that they were still an upstanding species who would never use it against innocent races.

Also, we have no evidence that the replicators weren't attacking the Asgard at that time. Most of us assume that after the creation of the Asurans someone created Reese (maybe an Ancient) who had in her the knowledge which lead to the replicators evolving to an Asuran level. But, it could just be a coincidence as neither Reese or the replicators were anything like the Asurans. They only found a way to become like that when they gained access to materials found on Asgard homeworlds and realized that it was the ultimate path in their evolution. However, even if they weren't fighting the replicators 10,000 years ago it's beyond rude to ask another species who you probably have not had contact with in over 5 million years to fight and die for your mistakes. Regardless, I would like to make just one last point and that is that the Asgard's genetic problem occured around 50,000 years ago as that is the actual dating of the statis pod they found floating between galaxies. As of yet there has never been any mention of Ancient knowledge not being able to play any role in saving the Asgard. Yet, if the Asgard had any contact with the Ancients in the last 50,000 years they would likely know for certain that it doesn't as living breathing Ancients could've examined them and told them that with all their knowledge there was nothing they could do for them. Which is especially odd, since an Asgard had reason to believe that O'neill could be the answer to their problem which he would have no justification for if his people had the chance to work with live Ancients and decided even their genetics could not save them. My point in all this is to say that for whatever reason everything we've seen points to the Ancients not having contact with the Asgard during that time period, which means that it's obviously a complicated situation that's more complex than you make it seem in your suggestion.


3) they should of made use of the time machine and seen how they came into exisitance allowing them to understand thier tech and weapons. well well what can i say tampering with time or death tampering with time or death gee i dunno which one to pick. :P

We've been through this. They tried to make a time machine in the Milky Way to save them from the plaque and it failed. The only one who was ever able to create a stable time machine did so at the end of the war when they already decided to leave for Earth and he did so in secret. Even if they decided to use it, so many thousands of years likely passed that the changes that would have been made are numerous. Most notable among them is that none of the current Ancients would be alive in the second time line (something they are unlikely willing to submit to - would you submit to non-existence for any reason? even if you would do you think you could get a majority of people of Earth to do so as well?). The exact person who is born comes about through a serious of universal events that if they are tweaked even the slightest, would result in someone else being born. It's possible that you can go back and not change enough to effect your future birth, but all of those Ancients were born during a war with the Wraith when their parents decided to have sex based on events that the Wraith caused in their lives. Change the events and they have sex at different times or never meet at all and the next thing you know you're never born. And that's just the best case scenario. Worst case is that without the Wraith to deal with someone has too much free time on their hands and alerts the Ori to their where abouts and the next thing you know you have them converting Humans all over the Pegasus galaxy. Although the Ancients would best be able to go head to head with them, the Ori can always build more ships and send more followers through. Therefore, without a certain set of future events (like the research Merlin did later with the Sangraal) it's possible that there would be no way to defeat them. Granted this is a huge leap, but my point is that they did not want to deal with the what ifs - The SGC are obviously of like mind.

Anyway, I get the impression that their plan was to go back to the Milky Way, locate the remains of their people's ancient civilization and rebuild to the point where they can eventually defeat the Wraith. However, once they found that there was basically nothing left (Ancient cities would eventually get destroyed by nature without shields to power them) they realized that they would have to rebuild from scratch so they decided to give up and take the easy way out which was to work toward ascention. To me that is the best plan they could have ever come up with, they just didn't have the strength of will to go through with it at all costs. Which is why they lost the war to begin with - They were a race of dreamers who depended on their technology to quickly defeat any enemy and were put off when they realized that they did not know how to fight a war. Without that technology they are nobodies.