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GateWorld
February 14th, 2007, 04:37 PM
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After a premonition leads Desmond to save Claire's life, Charlie tries to find out what happened to him when the hatch imploded. Desmond considers the possibility that he has been given a second chance with Penny when he wakes up at home.

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lunarleviathan
February 14th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Interesting episode, but it was a bit "WTF?" in my opinion. I hope that Desmond was just having a vision rather than his consciousness actually somehow moving through time, which is a little far fetched even for Lost!

I really don't want Charlie to die either! :( I hope Desmond is wrong.

FoolishPleasure
February 14th, 2007, 07:25 PM
The episode was starting to drag so I figured there had to be a twist to the end for it to work. One could say Desmond hallucinated the whole thing due to a whack on the noggin, but the Charlie bit was interesting. There is a rumor of another reg dying this season. Hmmmm.

Morbo
February 14th, 2007, 08:47 PM
you thought this episode dragged?

seriously?

unbelievable.

memnarch
February 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM
I didn't think Lost would be able to pull off time travel. Ever. I just didn't think it could within the reality of the show. I WAS WRONG. This is quite possibly one of the best episodes of LOST ever. I don't agree with the previous posters. It was time travel. If you don't accept it as time travel, the episode loses its meaning and impact. Desmond (and Henry Ian Cusick the actor who played him) carried this episode masterfully. Desmond's precognition now makes sense and the woman who was also a time traveller is also an intriguing character. However, I do take issue with the fact that Desmond being knocked out is what initiated his return to the present. If he got knocked out, then what happened to him afterward? Did he continue his life as he was supposed to? Did he lose his memory of future events in that timeline? This is probably what happened, but time does not always afford all explanations. It was good to get back to the beach folks, even if a few were missing, some were less missed than others (Nikki and Paulo...).

Overall, ***1/2 stars for an emmy worthy performance by Henry Ian Cusick and an answer that's really satisfactory

silence
February 15th, 2007, 12:34 AM
I didn't think Lost would be able to pull off time travel. Ever. I just didn't think it could within the reality of the show. I WAS WRONG. This is quite possibly one of the best episodes of LOST ever. I don't agree with the previous posters. It was time travel. If you don't accept it as time travel, the episode loses its meaning and impact. Desmond (and Henry Ian Cusick the actor who played him) carried this episode masterfully. Desmond's precognition now makes sense and the woman who was also a time traveller is also an intriguing character. However, I do take issue with the fact that Desmond being knocked out is what initiated his return to the present. If he got knocked out, then what happened to him afterward? Did he continue his life as he was supposed to? Did he lose his memory of future events in that timeline? This is probably what happened, but time does not always afford all explanations. It was good to get back to the beach folks, even if a few were missing, some were less missed than others (Nikki and Paulo...).

Overall, ***1/2 stars for an emmy worthy performance by Henry Ian Cusick and an answer that's really satisfactory

loses meaning on LOST?
it had one?

ItsDan
February 15th, 2007, 04:22 AM
I don't think we can conclude it was actually timetravel. One major thing would be that Desmond made SUCH a scene infront of Charlie in his 'experience' that I can't imagine Charlie not recognizing him, but it IS Lost.

Morbo
February 15th, 2007, 07:14 AM
its possible when desmond turned the key he was suspended in time, and his subconscious began to tell him about changing fate - fate is an underlying theme of the show.

changing the fate of the barkeep was one way he altered his own fate. so if by helping other people he can maybe change his fate in the end.

(turning the key and activating the failsafe was him changing fate for everyone on the island - and also changing his fate by allowing the station to sense the signal and for Penny to help find him)

sgeureka
February 15th, 2007, 07:32 AM
My feeling about this episode in short: I was expecting a little more.

The Lost Moments already covered most of the island scenes, and TPTB said the fans will get to know more about what happened after Desmond turned the key. I was expecting to learn what happened to the hatch (other than it just exploding), how Desmond survived, why he was naked, and why he could see future events (and I don't mean a silly because-he-just-can or because-he-hit-his-head-bad answer please).

That doesn't mean there weren't moments/things that I totally enjoyed:

- Bloody, er, painty Desmond
- seeing Penny and Mr. Widmore so early on (I expected to see them in ep 3x12 at the earliest)
- so many easter eggs and references to island events (music, visuals,...)
- very good UK sets
- the psychic lady
- the photo

I was just expecting a little more insight. And that didn't really happen. But I guess this won't be the last Desmond episode. Henry Ian Cusick is a good actor, and he should stay on the show for a while.

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 09:28 AM
i did like the UK sets. It LOOKED like they were in London.

snuffle
February 15th, 2007, 10:35 AM
I did feel its a bit like final destination with charlie going to die and he cant stop it

g8torgurl
February 15th, 2007, 11:05 AM
I did love this episode. It was amazing...
but, I do NOT want Charlie to die!

I was trying to figure things out though, i caught on fairly quickly what had happend to Desmond... going back to before the island, re-living his past...

event 1: Desmond turns the key, goes back to when he painted a room in his house red.
event 2: Desmond starts to realize he knows when things will happen next.
event 3: Desmond figures out what's going on, somewhat, through the crazy jewelry store lady. (that was kinda creepy!)
event 4: Desmond discovers he can change how things will turn out.

then, they take us back to the island, and Desmond explains he was trying to save Charlie's life, and that the universe will keep correcting itself, and he'll try hard to save Charlie... yadda yadda yadda..

I was kind of curious, if Desmond can prevent things from happening, and apparently he's done things over, and over, and over again, why didn't he try to change things earlier? For example, if he knew that he would crash their plane, why didn't he make sure he didn't? if he knew that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were going to go to find the Others, why didn't he try to stop them? And, if turning the key is what sent him back, then WHY does it seem he's only repeating his life AFTER the key was turned?

Platschu
February 15th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Sorry, but I feel that was the worst episode ever next to "Fire plus water". I don't like that Desmond became Hiro v2.0 from Heroes. I think there are too many unanswered questions in the show and we don't need to watch "superheroes". They were earlier average people, but now? What will be the next? Somebody will be immortal or begin to fly? etc. Bah... The whole episode was very boring. Why should they explain so slowly that the future can't be changed? :cool:

ItsDan
February 15th, 2007, 12:00 PM
then, they take us back to the island

He was hit on the head and woke up in the woods. I don't think we're meant to believe he continued reliving his entire life up to that point again.

Also remember we have no way to distinguish between whether he lived part of his life over again, or if it was all in his head (perhaps Demonds version of one of Locke's vision quests). He didn't change anything while in the past, he made a huge scene infront of Charlie but Charlie doesn't remember him, etc. Or atleast we have no evidence whatsoever to think he did change something, ergo, there's functionally no difference between it being in his head, or actual timetravel, except that we have prescedent for 'in his head' experiences on the island.

ItsDan
February 15th, 2007, 12:10 PM
I don't like that Desmond became Hiro v2.0 from Heroes.

But how do we know he did? I think it's a big mistake to assume he actually time traveled. Locke has had 'visions' where he learned things he couldn't know as well. Knowing Eko needs help and knowing Claire is drowning aren't entirely different. If he'd changed something in the past and had it carry to the future it would have been more clear (say he cut himself in the past then had a new scar when he got back to the island).

Platschu
February 15th, 2007, 12:17 PM
Ok, he is not able to make time travel, but the visions have similar meaning to the viewers.

g8torgurl
February 15th, 2007, 01:20 PM
He was hit on the head and woke up in the woods. I don't think we're meant to believe he continued reliving his entire life up to that point again.

Well, when he talked to Charlie, it seemed as if he had done it all before. He obviously knew what was going to happen, how else would he be able to say "You're gonna die, Charlie." with so much confidence?

Also remember we have no way to distinguish between whether he lived part of his life over again, or if it was all in his head (perhaps Demonds version of one of Locke's vision quests).

That, though, does make sense... Except, for Locke, he wasn't able to change things... He was given a hint that Eko needed help. Maybe he saw Charlie dead, yet that doesn't explain how he knew how and when to save Claire...

They better answer all our questions soon... so many keep popping up!

Darren
February 15th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Very good episode -- I'm predisposed to liking it b/c Desmond has been one of my favorite characters since the amazing Season Two finale.

The time travel issue is a bit confusing. I suspect that the writers tossed it out there as a red herring, and that the simpler answer is the right one: he got imploded in the hatch, had a vision that changed him (not to mention the apparent physical/metaphysical changes from the key-turning that gave him precognition), and woke up.

As for Charlie: Technically I think Desmond doesn't know he is going to die. He hasn't seen a future in which Charlie dies that Desmond hasn't yet managed to avert. But his (internal?) experience with the old woman and Penny convinced him that the universe has a fatalistic way of course-correcting and making sure that things that are "supposed to" happen, happen. He's convinced Charlie is supposed to die because he's seen it and acted to avert it twice now.

And he's not sure how long he can stay one step ahead of fate. Can Desmond change the universe itself?

ItsDan
February 15th, 2007, 03:27 PM
That, though, does make sense... Except, for Locke, he wasn't able to change things... He was given a hint that Eko needed help. Maybe he saw Charlie dead, yet that doesn't explain how he knew how and when to save Claire...

Well Locke DID get Eko back from the bear, but he was later killed by 'Smokey'. Much in the same way when Charlie avoided the lightning, he was later meant to drown, and now future events are foreshadowed. Perhaps if Locke hadn't done the vision quest, Eko would have died in the bear cave?

Also recall Locke has seen the past in his visions as well. He saw the plane crash. Now sure that wasn't of the same duration, didn't necessarily 'feel real' to him, and wasn't HIS history but that of an event which occured on the island, but the mechanism could still be the same.

When "Boone" spoke to Locke in his vision quest, it was quite similar to the way the old woman spoke to Desmond.

NowIWillDestroyAbydos
February 15th, 2007, 03:27 PM
I've got to say Last night's Lost was different, especially the "flashback" with Desmond. I think it was a little bit too long, consecutively, I mean. I don't want Charlie to die, either.

Scoobing
February 15th, 2007, 03:32 PM
I found the ep to be a little confusing in explaining what actually happened. However what I do like is that the writers have left the explanation entirely up to the viewer. We can either:

A: Believe this was all about time travel and that Charlie is destined to die

OR

B: Believe this is all in his head and he only THINKS that Charlie is destined to die

Felt like a bit of a cop out at first and very unbelievable but I actually enjoyed the ep, and liked what the writers had done...

SaberBlade
February 15th, 2007, 03:53 PM
It's got to be B.

Desmond's mind was playing tricks on him, because there is no reason to believe that Death is out to get Charlie, that's way too much Final Destination.

If anything, Desmonds subconsious knew that he was still on the island, it even tried to give him clues like the microwave, so I believe he was trying to tell himself that he's still on the island. Desmond, not knowing what had happened when he "woke up" in the apartment created some time travel fantasy and how he could set things right (which is very Quantum Leap'ish) but his subconsious knew that no matter what happened, he'd still wake up on the Island and everything would be restored.

In the end, Desmond has some weird idea that nothing can be changed, so he thinks Charlie will die. If anything, I don't think the Lost creators would just come out and tell us that someone would die.

SoulReaver
February 15th, 2007, 05:02 PM
We can either:

A: Believe this was all about time travel and that Charlie is destined to die

OR

B: Believe this is all in his head and he only THINKS that Charlie is destined to dieOR :

C: Believe this is all in his head and he only THINKS that Charlie is destined to die BUT...in the end charlie still dies, and so desmond is convinced that it's (A) even though it's just (B) + chance

duh



btw charlie dies of a heroin overdose (good riddance)jk - made this one up -)

Darren
February 15th, 2007, 06:03 PM
Or:

C) It was all in his head, but something really did happen to Desmond that gave him precognition. He knows fate is hunting Charlie.

Based on Lost's M.O., I think the fact that the writers came right out and put "Charlie, you're going to die" into the dialogue makes it very unlikely that Charlie is going to die. The deaths in the past have for the most part all been shockers the viewer couldn't see coming.

Or ... maybe that's what they want us to think, and Charlie is going to die because they knew we'd figure that out! Oooooooooh ... ;)

Skydiver
February 15th, 2007, 06:20 PM
it's probably Claire that's gonna die. Or the baby. Cause, well it's not like they have another post partem woman on the island to be a wet nurse. If claire dies, so does Aaron.

as to fate, well haven't everyone on the island - at least on the plane - ducked thier fate???? shouldn't they all be dead?

tv shows aside, a free fall from 30,000 feet tends to be rather fatal. :)

YOu could argue that they were all fated to die on that plane, and something kept that from happening, so the island is trying to 'fix' that on a near constant basis.

jonno
February 15th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Intriguing. I am suitably confused. I think i'll watch it again before i try and work out what happened.

Overall, good to be back on the beach. Let's stay there for a bit now, please?


Oh, and, was it just me that found it weird when Hurley/Charlie was wondering whether they'd found Eko? It was so long ago, yet just a few Island hours.

Nyarlathotep
February 15th, 2007, 11:45 PM
Fantastic episode - one of the best imo.

Really sucked me in and the change in the 'flashback' format was really refreshing - created the real wtf atmosphere that was present in the first season!

Need to watch it again - just hope the rest of the season maintains this quality :)

Haze
February 16th, 2007, 12:22 AM
This ep. was an absolute head spinner. Loved it from start to finish. They fact that he went back in time was awesome. It opens up a whole new angle to the island. Some posters believe that its all a figament of Desmond's imagination, but if you think about it, it could be possible.

He detonates the magnetic anomoly, he takes the brunt of the resulting magnetic discharge, resets & activates unused part of brain that causes pre-cog abilities (Yes, I'm also a Heroes fan), hatch implosion knocks him out, also causes his conscience to go back to the most important moment in his life (because of activated pre-cognis), realises he's gone back in time, tries to change prior events, realises he can but not ultimately, gets knocked out again, reverts to present self while past self forgets the island memories as only present self has those memories therefor he can't change his fate (pushing the button), past self continues to live out as present self did.

There's a decent explanation, I think. You can start picking holes!

sgeureka
February 16th, 2007, 03:08 AM
It's only now that I see why some people are so extremely excited about this episode. It never crossed my mind that time travel was/could be involved here (so that's what TPTB meant with time not being the same for everyone). I'm rewatching the ep now, and time travel (from Desmond's perspective) explains all of his not-on-island scenes, especially his confusion. I thought that Island!Des was telling the story of him after turning the key, having flashbacks to what happened after he fell off the ladder (with a resulting concussion) and having "flashforwards". Now that the key was turned, he is having flashforwards again.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/sgeureka/stuff/lost_308_precog_diagram.jpg


In the end, Desmond has some weird idea that nothing can be changed, so he thinks Charlie will die. If anything, I don't think the Lost creators would just come out and tell us that someone would die.

Based on Lost's M.O., I think the fact that the writers came right out and put "Charlie, you're going to die" into the dialogue makes it very unlikely that Charlie is going to die. The deaths in the past have for the most part all been shockers the viewer couldn't see coming.

Or ... maybe that's what they want us to think, and Charlie is going to die because they knew we'd figure that out! Oooooooooh ... ;)
I think, just like in most other Lost story arcs, by making it look like Charlie will die soon, Charlie will in fact not die in the next few episodes. But after everyone has forgotten about Desmond's precognition (maybe in S4), Charlie is going to meet his maker.


it's probably Claire that's gonna die. Or the baby. Cause, well it's not like they have another post partem woman on the island to be a wet nurse. If claire dies, so does Aaron. I don't think Charlie and Claire are doing much for the mythology of the show, so one (or even both) of them might die sooner rather than later. But I doubt TPTB are gonna kill Aaron. They either make Charlie a foster Dad, or when (just speculating here) the Others have been established as honorable humans with fertility problems, one of the Other families is going to adopt him.

ItsDan
February 16th, 2007, 04:57 AM
Sgeureka, the only problem there is that it couldn't have been Desmond telling stories, because he refused to tell Charlie. That's why at the very END Charlie insisted he tell him what happened.

Also the woman he talked to, and maybe this was just my interpretation, seemed to be talking about things such as pushing the button in past tense, since the man she was talking to had already done those tasks. She also made references to how the things he was doing weren't how they had occured the first time through. If this was just a story about his past, there wouldn't have been a "first time through".

g8torgurl
February 16th, 2007, 05:54 AM
sgeureka: I don't remember a bat accident... do you mean boat accident That would make a LOT of sense, because, he was knocked out when he was on the boat, and does not remember getting to the island. He woke up in the hatch with Inman... he's like, getting hit on the head, going back to the memorable hit on the head, keeps re-living until he hits his head yet again on the boat, and then wakes up again when hit on the head from the hatch explosion...


Also the woman he talked to, and maybe this was just my interpretation, seemed to be talking about things such as pushing the button in past tense, since the man she was talking to had already done those tasks. She also made references to how the things he was doing weren't how they had occured the first time through. If this was just a story about his past, there wouldn't have been a "first time through".

yeah, i noticed that too... Personally, i think she's an Other... she looks a little like the lady in the preview for next week, the lady that says "Do you know what that tattoo on your arm says?" or something like that...
Maybe that medicine he injected himself with caused this to happen ("Every nine days i injected myself with that..." -Desmond)....

ItsDan
February 16th, 2007, 06:07 AM
That's an entirely different actress next week.

And no he meant "bat" accident. It was right at the end of Demond's flashback, he was hit on the head with a cricket bat, and woke up in the woods. Some people seem to think he continued living his entire life over ahead until that point in the woods, but I don't think that makes much sense.

In terms of storytelling, he had his 'experience', whatever it was, learned a lesson about changing fate, that it has a way of correcting itself, then was knocked out and woke up back on the island next to the hatch.



I think the lesson here is: Demond gets a lot of concussions.

sgeureka
February 16th, 2007, 06:33 AM
Sgeureka, the only problem there is that it couldn't have been Desmond telling stories, because he refused to tell Charlie. That's why at the very END Charlie insisted he tell him what happened.Right. Substitute my "talking about" with "thinking about" in the choke-Charlie moment, and you get what I meant. :)


Also the woman he talked to, and maybe this was just my interpretation, seemed to be talking about things such as pushing the button in past tense, since the man she was talking to had already done those tasks. She also made references to how the things he was doing weren't how they had occured the first time through. If this was just a story about his past, there wouldn't have been a "first time through".That old lady had something special about her, maybe more experience with precognition/time travel. I was just telling of how I interpreted the episode in my first watching; and that didn't include any time travel interpretations. I'm still trying to make up my mind about this episode with repeated viewings, and I'm open to any suggestions.


sgeureka: I don't remember a bat accident...No, I mean the thing that Desmond got hit with in the bar at the end. That was a bat, right? (Not as in Bat-man, but as in cricket/baseball bat.)

dosed150
February 16th, 2007, 07:47 AM
the whole charlies destined to die whatever desmond does is a lot like what happens in the time machine whatever that guy did his girlfriend still died

g8torgurl
February 16th, 2007, 09:02 AM
oh, wow... hehe, i thought you meant bat as in the animal bat... now i know what you're talking about... sorry for the confusion in my mind...

The old lady could be many things... She could be a "guardian angel" or his subconcious, or a psychic, or something...

knowsfords
February 16th, 2007, 08:19 PM
The old lady could be many things... She could be a "guardian angel" or his subconcious, or a psychic, or something...

MADAME WEB!

Contraban
February 17th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Ending = they all die.

Stef
February 18th, 2007, 04:00 AM
Do I know what everything in the episode meant? Absolutely not.

Did it renew my interest in the show? Most definitely.

Seriously, as confusing as this episode may have been, it was AMAZING. It was so different from the norm that I was thrown off balance, but in a good way. And that ending? Wow.

I'm interested in seeing how the whole Charlie thing goes. I agree that we probably won't see the whole "destiny" thing play out until later. Especially since it appears that we are heading back to Jack/Kate/Sawyer for the next episode.

It's strange, but Desmond is actually becoming one of my favorite characters (my favorite being Sawyer). I guess I'm just a sucker for those tragic charactes....besides, there are some really interesting theories about Desmond floating out there.

-Stef

knowles2
February 18th, 2007, 02:57 PM
This was one of the best episode ever.

I mean their just so many possibilities/question left unanswered.

This could be time travel. And just because Charlie does not remember does not make it not makes impossible after all he was heroin addict, could he suffered a overdose around that time.

I think we will be seeing the old lady again, I mean was she trying to help him or trying stop him from changing the past or was she just guiding him.

Is she a other manifestation of the island like jacks dad was and was just guiding Desmond, like it has been guiding some our other characters.

I do not think charlie will die I mean the old lady said destiny cannot be change, perhaps preventing him from trying to stop the aircraft from crashing and kept the destiny the others want on track.

What if the scientist were playing around with time and fate and time travel. I mean from the lost experience we learn the dharma project was meant to stop the world from the destroying it self, what if desmond was the end product of that research, someone who could travel backwards and forward on time or outside of time altogether.

What if the island is out of time it self.

So many possibilities bought up in this epidsode.
So many questions.

Could this even be quantum leap style even where only his mind is transfered from one time to a other does this mean that he could be from the future trying to change the past, and cannot risk telling anyone this to prevent something he wish to happen not happening.

Or was it all just a other vision from the island.

As I said their so many possibilities and so many unanswered questions.

I looked forward to the next episode where their will be more unanswered questions.

Naonak
February 19th, 2007, 10:28 AM
Excellent episode. Possibly the best of this season so far (and I've been one of the ones enjoying it), and one of the best of the series.

Great acting from Henry Ian Cusick. After the season 2 opener, I liked Desmond as 'funny mental guy', but now I really like him as a proper character.

Just a point on the "is Charlie really going to die?" debate:
Back in the third episode, when Locke went into his magic hut and had his vision, Locke was pointing out all the other characters to find out who needed his help. When he pointed out Charlie and Claire, Boone said "Not them, they'll be fine..." and then added: "For a while."

Metarock Sam
February 21st, 2007, 02:05 PM
Well hear is my review of his ep which I think has been the most pivotal / thought provoking show in the series so far in terms of bringing bursts of life back into the show and all those people who think lost sucks this is their wake up call.
After watching this episode and reading the reviews on here of the ep I can think of the three theories that work the most. In no particular order

1. Desmond did not travel in time instead he had a very realistic and powerful vision. Perhaps relating to the electromagnetic release after the key was turned. Im sure at one point in the ep the word Chronos is mentioned which is the greek word for time and also it is a reference to the superhero/villain Chronos from the Iron Man comics. This super character got the ability to travel in time through a freak accident whilst conducting an experiment involving electromagnetism.

2. Desmond did not travel in time he quantam leaped back into his own body able to re-enact the past but not changing it. I like this idea since It is quite plausible. With that women being a sort of keeper of time instructing Desmond that he cannot change fate.

3. Desmond was affected really strongly by the effects of the fail-safe key we know that because he was flung out of the hatch underground and for some reason lost all his clothes (that is a straaaange mystery) so he was knocked out quite strongly and it enduced a vision. Due to the electromagnetism so on this allowed him to enact with everyone and be in such a dreamlike state he could not tell the difference between the vision world and time travel. The old lady Mrs Hawking was a real person but the Island used her like it used Boone in 'Further Instructions' as a vessel to both be familiar with Desmond. (Desmond would have thought about that moment very much about deciding to buy that ring so she would have been emebedded on to his subcuncious like Boone was embedded onto Locke's). Mrs Hawkings role was the guide through the vision and explain to Desmond that no matter how badly he wants to he cannot change fate without course-correction. This is later shown when Des is hit with the cricket bat.

Charlie is the key to understanding whether or not Des time travelled. If he did then Charlie would definatly remember him for how he was able to predict the name and also what Des said about the Island. Then again Charlie spent most of those days getting high and met enough people who had thought they could see the future by that time he wouldnt have cared. I loved the moment at the end of the episode "No matter what I do Charlie, you're gonna die !!!'. This is interesting the writers would not explicitly have Desmond state this for several reasons since this is influential in the plot. Perhaps it is a red herring and Charlie wont die, Perhaps he will "die" eg his heart stops beating but will be brought back to life through CPR. We dont know. But its gonna be a hell of a ride finding out :D

Anubis69
March 18th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Someone showed me this link (http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/lost_desmondphoto.jpg).

Interesting, or an oversight?

SaberBlade
March 18th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Someone showed me this link (http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/lost_desmondphoto.jpg).

Interesting, or an oversight?

They probably tried to get the same actress to return but couldn't, so they had to recast her and retake the photo.

MmmmMcKAy
August 23rd, 2008, 04:52 PM
Loved this episode. Desmond rocks.


I don't think he time travelled but rather experienced a vision or vivid dream. Anyway, he seems to think he was destined to be on the island.

Kudos to the show runners for trying an episode like this one. It turned out very well and is probably my favorite of Season 3 so far. It's definitely confusing and I could watch it many times and still go "Huh?". But it is also very compelling.

ThreeFriesShortOfaHappyMeal
April 3rd, 2010, 05:05 PM
Soooo, Desmond turns the key, winds up who-knows-exactly-where and saves a bartender from getting hit in the head by some random assailant, in turn taking the blow.

Theory below, ill add a warning just in case

Lets say turning the key is the moment Desmond becomes "special" (even if he was already special, it shouldn't matter) could he have created a tangent timeline from this incident alone? Maybe its the timeline we are watching in S6

Edit: After reading more, this doesnt really seem significant anymore...who knows