Zero Hour Blooper

[FRANK T]

When O'Neill exits the elevator, Major Davis is waiting for him to tell him diplomatic relations are not going well. Major Davis addresses him as "Colonel" and not General.

Just an FYI.

Frank T.

[KayMan2k]

Is this a blooper on a DVD or in a special someplace or a mistake in the episode? Errors like this in an episode are called continuity errors. Bloopers are outtakes that do not make the final cut and are later shown on a DVD or a TV special. Sorry in advance if I misunderstood.

[ibwolf]

Is this a blooper on a DVD or in a special someplace or a mistake in the episode? Errors like this in an episode are called continuity errors. Bloopers are outtakes that do not make the final cut and are later shown on a DVD or a TV special. Sorry in advance if I misunderstood.

You are right, although the term 'goofs' is usually used collectively for any errors in the finished product. So the thread title should have read "Zero Hour Goof".

Also the goof in question could be explained as slip on Major Davis's part, rather then an actual goof

[Greesha]

Also the goof in question could be explained as slip on Major Davis's part, rather then an actual goof

that's more of an excuse than an explanation.

[Teal'c]

That didn't happen, Jack wasn't called Colonel

[DownFallAngel]

That didn't happen, Jack wasn't called Colonel

Yea, you tell 'em Teal'c.

[michelleb]

That didn't happen, Jack wasn't called Colonel

if it did (i'm not saying it did) then it could be scripted, to remind people that jack only just made general, and no-one is quite used to it yet, including jack, which is one of the themes of the episode

[VirtualCLD]

I had to go back to my recording of the show to be sure, but Major Davis clearly calls him "General."

[LordAnubis]

I had to go back to my recording of the show to be sure, but Major Davis clearly calls him "General."

Virtual is right, O'Neill was called General. Also, Carter has consistently been called Lt. Col Carter or Col. Carter, so no "goofs" there either. But...if there were, like michelleb said, the promotions were fairly recent, so it would be natural for some to have trouble breaking the habit of referring to the previous rank. Any real military ppl on the forum would probably tell you that. Imagine referring to O'Neill as Colonel for 8 or more years (how long was he a full bird colonel before the Abydos mission?) and then one day, presto, he's a Brig. General...it would be hard to stop calling him Colonel O'Neill.

I've noticed this in a few post New Order fan fic stories where Carter is Major Carter adn O'Neill is Col. O'Neill even though New Order and the promotions were supposed to have taken place. In one fanfic, the writer bounced around from Col. to Gen. to Col. to "Commander". Commander is a totally inappropriate title to call O'Neill, although he may be a base commander (SGC), he is NOT to be addressed as Commander as that is a Naval rank. If one's POSITION is commander, one is not called Commander, but rather called by his/her official military rank.

Carter can be called Lt. Colonel Carter (which is a mouthful) or Col. Carter; either one is appropriate. She can also be referred to as Dr. Carter as she has a PhD, but if her role is not that of a primary scientist, then her rank is to be used over her doctoral title. Janet was a physician so her primary role is not of an active duty officer but a medical specialist. There have been episodes where there are USAF or other military officers who happen to be scientists in the primary role of scientists, not officers, who are called Doctor rather than by a rank. In the espisode where they were testing the first Tau'ri glider ship (forgot the numbers), the main USAF scientist at Area 51 was Dr. Murphy, not Captain Murphy as his rank indicated.

It could be worse, it could be like the German structure where you refer to all of a person's titles: Herr Oberst Doktor (Mr. Colonel Doctor) or Herr Professor Leutnant-General Doktor (Mr. Professor Lt. General Dr.). If you were also a senator or had a religious title, people would need five minutes to just say your freakin' name and title!

[Major Fischer]

It could be worse, it could be like the German structure where you refer to all of a person's titles: Herr Oberst Doktor (Mr. Colonel Doctor) or Herr Professor Leutnant-General Doktor (Mr. Professor Lt. General Dr.). If you were also a senator or had a religious title, people would need five minutes to just say your freakin' name and title!

It could be even worse. My father worked for a large German company and he told me that twenty or thirty years ago women were addressed by both the woman's title and her husband's title. So you would have Professor Doktor Doktor.

Oh, and the title you wanted was Generalleutnant.

[LordAnubis]

It could be even worse. My father worked for a large German company and he told me that twenty or thirty years ago women were addressed by both the woman's title and her husband's title. So you would have Professor Doktor Doktor.

Oh, and the title you wanted was Generalleutnant.

Thanks, Herr Professor Kommandant Major Cardinal Direkteur Kanzler Doktor System Lord Darth Fischer. <whew>

[Sicarius]

Virtual is right, O'Neill was called General. Also, Carter has consistently been called Lt. Col Carter or Col. Carter, so no "goofs" there either. But...if there were, like michelleb said, the promotions were fairly recent, so it would be natural for some to have trouble breaking the habit of referring to the previous rank. Any real military ppl on the forum would probably tell you that. Imagine referring to O'Neill as Colonel for 8 or more years (how long was he a full bird colonel before the Abydos mission?) and then one day, presto, he's a Brig. General...it would be hard to stop calling him Colonel O'Neill.

I've noticed this in a few post New Order fan fic stories where Carter is Major Carter adn O'Neill is Col. O'Neill even though New Order and the promotions were supposed to have taken place. In one fanfic, the writer bounced around from Col. to Gen. to Col. to "Commander". Commander is a totally inappropriate title to call O'Neill, although he may be a base commander (SGC), he is NOT to be addressed as Commander as that is a Naval rank. If one's POSITION is commander, one is not called Commander, but rather called by his/her official military rank.

Carter can be called Lt. Colonel Carter (which is a mouthful) or Col. Carter; either one is appropriate. She can also be referred to as Dr. Carter as she has a PhD, but if her role is not that of a primary scientist, then her rank is to be used over her doctoral title. Janet was a physician so her primary role is not of an active duty officer but a medical specialist. There have been episodes where there are USAF or other military officers who happen to be scientists in the primary role of scientists, not officers, who are called Doctor rather than by a rank. In the espisode where they were testing the first Tau'ri glider ship (forgot the numbers), the main USAF scientist at Area 51 was Dr. Murphy, not Captain Murphy as his rank indicated.

It could be worse, it could be like the German structure where you refer to all of a person's titles: Herr Oberst Doktor (Mr. Colonel Doctor) or Herr Professor Leutnant-General Doktor (Mr. Professor Lt. General Dr.). If you were also a senator or had a religious title, people would need five minutes to just say your freakin' name and title!

Er, what was the question again?

*ducks* j/k

Here's one that always bugged me... Sam calling Jack "Colonel" while she's in a conversation with him. Is AF different? We always just used "sir" in the army unless we were talking about the person or maybe trying to get their attention with multiple officers in the room.

[michelleb]

Er, what was the question again?

*ducks* j/k

Here's one that always bugged me... Sam calling Jack "Colonel" while she's in a conversation with him. Is AF different? We always just used "sir" in the army unless we were talking about the person or maybe trying to get their attention with multiple officers in the room.

well, obviously she was emphasising the title to remind her self that were regs in place and she couldn't just jump him there and then.

[ibwolf]

Here's one that always bugged me... Sam calling Jack "Colonel" while she's in a conversation with him. Is AF different? We always just used "sir" in the army unless we were talking about the person or maybe trying to get their attention with multiple officers in the room.

The writers probably got tired of always using "sir" and wanted to mix it up a bit.

[Ancient 1]

I had to go back to my recording of the show to be sure, but Major Davis clearly calls him "General."

Ahh...all this excitement for nothing. *yawns*